jason is one of the smartest dudes that i have seen talk basketball in a long time. its been frustrating dealing with certain people and fans that dont understand whats actually wrong with the lakers roster and try and and blame things they just see on the surface. our problems have always been deeper than just needing a "big". if guards like spencer dinwiddie and quinton grimes can look like all stars against u, u know something more than just a "big" is wrong.
@@rodh-ww6ii biggest issue by far has been 2 way player depth and reliable shooting. u cant be a bottom 5 shooting team either with two paint dominant players like lebron and ad like we have been past few years esp in the era we exist in. we are on the right path with acquisition of finney smith but man would i love a guy like cam johnson or jerami grant on this team. u need that offensive punch against elite teams like okc, cavs, celtics, knicks etc. thankfully most of the tough elite teams are in the easy rn but still my point stands, if we are going for it all we need to make a real move!
yeah because Cleveland are struggling this year and they have awesome back court defensive guards and run a PF as their one and only true C……. Cmon bro
@@brilliantbehaviour point and proof a comment like this... did u just compare an elite scoring guard like donovan mitchel and a bucket like darius garland to our guards in reaves and christie? the whole reason u would need a guy like bruce brown is to stop these elite guards...we dont have the luxury of having a guy like kyrie( who we coulda had btw) or dearon fox. this is the exact reason we have to go the opposite route atleast to slow down these type of players. donovan mitchel is no walk over on defense either btw.. he guards well cuz of his athletic ability. and on the other end the dribble pressure, the shot creation ability and so many other things is the reason he is so dangerous.. name me one guard we have had that even comes close to that?
I think you might be taking the 'need a big' sentiment out of context. Most of the fan base knows that against 80% of the teams in the NBA, we are big enough in our front court. It's the bigger and more physical front courts that give us issues, where AD needs help on the boards. In Denver's case, not only do they have a bigger front court, but Jokic is the only big that makes AD a negative on defense, simply because Jokic backing him down nullifies all of AD's defensive strengths. When AD has to ask for help to double, and he's your best defender, you know your defense is going to get exploited. This is why they had Rui guard Jokic a lot in their match-ups the past year, so that AD can roam more on defense, and help Rui IF Jokic starts to abuse Rui, but that Rui would be the sacrifice to lose his energy (his legs) banging with Jokic rather than AD losing his legs. This allowed AD to have fresh legs on offense, which is why AD had a far better series against Denver last post season, and why Rui had a worse series against Denver (2024) then the previous series they played against Denver (2023). For the past 3 years we have been a bad rebounding team, but 2023 fooled us, because we got to the conference finals. The Grizzlies were missing Steven Adams, and Golden State is a small team when Looney isn't on the floor. We saw what Steven Adams did to us in the 3rd quarter of the Rockets game. AD couldn't keep him off the boards, because he's just too strong for AD. If you notice, all of these are situational circumstances. This is why I wouldn't advocate for getting a center that demands a starting spot, nor would I give up 1st round picks. Our needs for a big at the back-up spot is very specific, and just because a player may be a starting center on another team, doesn't mean he will give us what we need. A lot of the centers I hear us talking about in trade rumors may be starting caliber, but they won't help us in the two situations I mentioned above. I've said this before, but the type of center we need can be gotten for cheap, because our need isn't that they are an all-around center. We just need a center who is strong enough to not get pushed under the basket by Jokic, so that we don't have to double team Jokic. A lot of people say, "oh but no one can stop Jokic." It's not about stopping him, it's about not getting abused by him to the point we have to double team. Jokic scores so easily on AD and Rui in 1v1, that Jokic shoots 60%+ against us in the 13-15 game winning streak they have on us. In the Timberwolves series, Jokic averaged 55%, and they didn't have to double him, because they had multiple big bodies to throw at him. I'm talking about physical bigs, not twigs at the center spot. We have twigs at center. Even PFs can guard him if they are strong and tall enough, because being a C doesn't automatically make you hard to be pushed around. So we just need a physical big man that will allow us to play Denver straight up on defense, because going into a series having to double team more than half the time is a slow death with no hope of a comeback. I told people before that series that Darvin Ham was going to get fired after the series for getting sweps/gent swept again, and it wouldn't even be his fault, because how many defensive schemes can you run when you are limited to running schemes where you double??? I bet 70% of Ham's defensive playbook was not able to be used against Denver. Now Wemby is a twig, but gives Jokic problems, because he is so tall and long, that even if he is being shoved and off balance, his wingspan still hovers over the top of Jokic, but 99% of the other twigs in the NBA aren't like Wemby. So we don't stand a chance against Denver if AD is our biggest center, and for the last two years, AD has been our biggest and only defensively capable center. I've said it before that 3 bigs C/PF or Cs that come to mind that can bang with Jokic, but still move their feet well enough to not get hunted in pick n rolls, was Dwight Howard, Tristian Thompson, and Andre Drummond. All of these guys move laterally like offensive tackles in pick n roll coverage. Dwight may not be prime Dwight, but he's capable of giving us most of what he gave us in 2020. A lot of people like to point to 2022 as evidence he cannot, but our perimeter defense was so trash in 2022 (after Westbrook trade), that no big man was going to make a difference when our perimeter was getting blown by on a nightly basis. Even Vogel said he couldn't figure out a way to make that team work on defense. This is why I don't think that all we need is a big man, but I will say it till I'm blue in the face, that against Denver, it is the primary reason we can't beat them, because even with our mediocre perimeter defense, we still beat good perimeter oriented teams, because Vando and Schroder. Against Denver, Vando got bullied off the court by Aaron Gordon, and couldn't switch onto Jokic like Rui could, and Schroder got nullified by screens, and had no help fighting over the pick n roll screens, because the bigs had to shade Jokic. So Schroder ended up having as much success containing Murray in the pick n roll coverage as D'lo and AR, because being a good perimeter defender doesn't matter if you are defending a Pick n roll without the big being able to hedge, and Murray constantly got into the mid range pockets or just shot 3s if Schroder went under. It's like Schroder was defending the coverage by himself, and that's all because of the gravity Jokic was creating, because neither AD nor Rui could keep Jokic out of the restricted area by themselves. In the 2023 conference finals, Ham used Tristian Thompson too late, as he had big impact on Jokic, but we were already down in the series 3-0 before he got used. All of those 3 guys I just mentioned are back-up level bigs, because they have glaring weaknesses in other areas on defense or on the offensive side of the ball, but we don't care about that. We just need a big like one of those 3 for their strengths, so that we don't have to start them or promise minutes, but when they do get in, they will play like starting caliber centers, because we are playing them specifically at what they thrive at. If we get one of those 3 bigs, we can use our draft capital on perimeter 2-way players, which is what I said months ago. We got DFS for 3 2nd round picks, and we could get a 2-way guard that can defend point of attack for a 1st round pick. Kessler is too expensive, and the other bigs we mention are either not on the market anymore (Myles Turner), or they would just get abused in pick n roll (Val and Vuc), or get bullied by Jokic (Nick Richards). So we have Dwight out there saying he'd basically join for free, which allows us to not have to use any draft capital on the type of big we need, why the hell not? Or, we can just give a g-league level player to Cleveland for Tristian Thompson. 76ers don't really need Drummond, so he can also be gotten on the cheap. I just think that the sooner we get the players we need in our system, the faster we can build the chemistry needed, so that they won't be a negative on the floor simply due to lack of knowing our schemes.
I think Max has gotten to the point where he’s gonna be able to contribute in every single game. I can’t see a game where Max isn’t playing a big role. He’s gotten that good and he’s only 21. There’s a good chance that he gets a lot better as the season goes on
@@wills.9422 I disagree. He’s been guarding elite players over the last stretch and has done really well. He’s stronger than KCP, a little bit bigger, and jumps higher off of vert. KCP was quicker and more experienced, but watch Max’s screen navigation and tell me he’s not improving rapidly
@@ChennyBritt i agree. Plus max has more potential as a scorer as well. KCP was in your face defender. Played much more physical. And idk if u noticed but we’ve been getting torched on the perimeter ..every star guard has had a great game on him 😂 but he’s only 21 tho.
Awesome collaboration Jovan! Asking and answering the real questions with a lot of practicality in both of your analysis and coverage of the team. Fantastic episode ❤!
Rui & whatever draft compensation for Herb jones & Daniel Theis! Another wing who is athletic & can guard the other team’s best player & Theis can take all the minutes for Jaxon Hayes & is a good backup center !
Trading Rui for another starting 2 would create another problem. There are few bigs on this roster. There are few options to play “medium” too. Rui is one of the few bigger dudes who can shoot and score.
Prayers to you all dealing with the fires there… it seems like it’s way too often there… Horrible situation… As far as the Lakers go… Totally agree on the needing an athletic 2/3, as far as a backup center goes… None of these guys will play big minutes with the exception of Kessler maybe but he would cost the least… I think you have to go get Bruce Brown… Thanks again!
Our biggest problem is the lack of 2 way players plus a Center who go hard for defensive and offensive rebounds.JJ Need to learn how to use his players,there is no way in this world he can play AR,Knecht,Rui,LBJ and AD to the same time.AR,Knecht and Rui are 3 of the worst defensive player we have and LBJ cannot play defense hard on defense every night ,that live us with AD playing defense by himself
Josh Green & Nick Richards = 17.6mil would be ok w/ me. Rui & Hayes= 19.5mil + 2 2nds & a heavily protected 20291st. AR Green DFS Bron AD Gabe Max Dalton Vando Richards Milton Wood Cam Bronny After ghis trade, the Lakers will be 5.4mil under the 2nd apron. They can waive JHS & still have at least 1.4mil to elevate Koloko as the 3rd center on the regular roster or sign Markell Fultz or DSJr or Elfrid Payton for that 15th spot.
I think we have lost more after getting DFS, because JJ thought that having to play around AR and D'lo required trying to switch less to keep them from getting exploited, and that he could run more of his full time switching schemes getting DFS. Well, Dallas showed us that switching on everything isn't viable with just AR, even if blown coverages was the primary issue. Over-switching does also lead to eventually blowing coverages, although what Dallas was doing doesn't necessarily cause as much switching as playing against a motion offense would. I think we should try to find a balance to switching, because during our winning streak, we switched when needed, not all the time. "coaching the team he wants vs the team he has" was an excellent comment. A good coach will mold his schemes to his personnel.
hey Jovan, great stuff again! I think people really enjoy these collabs with other lakers related content creators. I have an idea which would a big hit I think, any chance you guys could collab and do something together (you, Allen, Jason and Trevor)? you could call it lakers all stars and time it around maybe the all-star weekend where all of you are probably "free"-er at the same time and would have a chance to make this happen. I think that would be a show for ages! :)
Gabe, JHS, Dalton to Charolette for Green, Richards, and a 2nd. Dalton might never be a playoff guy because his defense is so bad. Green gives us a similar shooting threat but plays defense. Richards is a fine backup big. We also clear a roster spot to sign Fultz and add another 2nd round pick which Charlotte has a ton of extras. Charlotte gets a good young prospect for them and slots nicely with Ball, Miller, Bridges, and Williams long term.
Buhaaa u have a great point I can’t lie. In jj is coaching like the team he wants vs the team he has. Definitely let’s our weaknesses in non athletic perimeter sometimes show a lot vs athletic teams vs coaching with deficiencies that is more in mind like Kerr did for curry
Man, Jason REALLY doesn't like Max. There's going to be ebbs and flows with a 21yr old, but at the very least you're going to get someone who's gonna compete and contribute every night
Another option at the 2-3 spot lakers can get is Cody Martin if they fail to land Bruce brown. I agree with Jason. I love max but he’s too young and inexperienced to be the starting SG for a playoffs series. And yeah I don’t trust Dalton to be a rotation player in the playoffs. He can’t play defense and it’s struggling offensively. Same goes for Rui. We don’t know if he’s going to show up everyday in the playoffs. Maybe if he’s coming off the bench he can produce more offensively in case lakers keep him.
Lakers out: Hachimura, Vanderbilt, Vincent, Hood-Schifino, Jaxon Hayes, Christian Wood, and Reddish. Lakers in: LaVine and Jevon Carter Lakers sign: Biyombo, Dwight Howard, Keita Bates-Diop, Troy Brown Jr., and Cedi Osman PG - James - Reaves - Milton SG - LaVine - Carter - James C -- Davis - Biyombo - Howard PF - Smith - BatesDiop - Osman SF - Christie - Knecht - Brown Jr.
That loss to dallas sucked AD played horrible but also I remember lakers beat celtics last season in Boston without AD and Lebron.. They still need to upgrade Max's spot I am on a trade for Bruce Brown and Jakob Poeltl giving up Vando Gabe Rui and Jhs with draft capital to get it done will need to fill one spot but will have the space under the second apron to get it done. I think this would make them a contender probably cost both firsts though but would try to do 1 firsts and 2 seconds..
Hi Jovan hope you can answer this on your next vlog. In your honest opinion, is it time to trade AR now that his value is high to players like Fox. Honestly Reaves already reach his ceiling compared to Fox who can really put us on the top
Reaves hater here. But Reaves has 1 more level. He needs to build muscle like max has. Max shoot hasn't suffered. You gotta be real. His handle is average alone with athletic ability. So work on your weakness. Look what AC did. His upper body has no definition 😅. But he can change that. An guess wat he might unlock another level in athletic ability just hitting the weights. Knees Over Toes Guy can get it. Harden trainer can get 1 more level
1. If you're a Lakers fan, you know the Kings will never trade with the Lakers. 2. The Kings has been playing very well since they ousted their coach. 5-0 run. The Kings can also match any offer if and Fox has 1 more year to decide. 3. If (which is a very big IF) Fox will get traded, a bunch of teams with more draft capital will get him. And the Lakers will have to trade both Austin + Rui in that deal. Kings will get everything they can for Fox.
Will yall stop with the FOX shit you’re gonna need more than 2 picks and they’re not trading Fox to the Lakers who they HATE with a passion smh, Lakers don’t have the value to trade for a FOX caliber player and fans need to accept that
@@AndreP1524this is true. But they could get two players like Dejounte Murray and Myles Turner (both) for the assets we have. Reaves, Knecht and two FRPs. Split them up plus contracts to get Murray and Myles
Reaves definitely hit his ceiling and he’s a defensive liability it is what it is other teams are switch hunting him…he’s great offensively but he gives up a lot of points on defense….lakers need an athletic pg that can play on both sides of the floor
Lakers need to move heaven and earth, keep AD, DFS, Bron and make everyone and everything(including all available picks)else available as needed to fill necessary contract numbers to trade for Dejounte Murray AND Myles Turner. A starting five of Murray, DFS, Bron, AD, Turner would be a good two-way team. Would still have plenty of players left and can fill the gaps with buyout market and other means
Trade Rui, Gabe, vando,jhs for Zach lavine. That’s the athletic guard we need, provides consistent 23ppg, athleticism, speed, and he can close out games. I think he will be an even better player for a contender team come playoff time. 2nd & cheaper option maybe Dejounte Murray
Lakers out: Hachimura, Vanderbilt, Vincent, Hood-Schifino, Jaxon Hayes, Christian Wood, and Reddish. Lakers in: LaVine and Jevon Carter Lakers sign: Biyombo, Dwight Howard, Keita Bates-Diop, Troy Brown Jr., and Cedi Osman PG - James - Reaves - Milton SG - LaVine - Carter - James C -- Davis - Biyombo - Howard PF - Smith - BatesDiop - Osman SF - Christie - Knecht - Brown Jr.
Lakers out: Hachimura, Vanderbilt, Vincent, Hood-Schifino, Jaxon Hayes, Christian Wood, and Reddish. Lakers in: LaVine and Jevon Carter Lakers sign: Biyombo, Dwight Howard, Keita Bates-Diop, Troy Brown Jr., and Cedi Osman PG - James - Reaves - Milton SG - LaVine - Carter - James C -- Davis - Biyombo - Howard PF - Smith - BatesDiop - Osman SF - Christie - Knecht - Brown Jr.
When do we acknowledge the trade did not fix the issue? At least not yet. Maybe with a little more time they'll improve, but you would expect effort issues and defense to resolve, and it hasn't. The mental lapses, effort lapses and willingness to settle is hard to watch.
I don’t agree with Jovan- the 2020 model is outdated. The perimeter is faster than 5 years ago and AD wasn’t great with 3s this year - having R Williams + AD in the lineup asks for problems in terms of defending 3S and spacing in the offense.
I don’t believe in the 2020 model full-time. I think AD is a 5 and LeBron is a 4. But I think Robert Williams is good as a backup and you can find 1-2 shifts per game where he and AD can play for 3-4 minutes. But I don’t think they should go full-time to two bigs. AD and LeBron are different players now
@@jovanbuhaThx for the reply Jovan - that’s rare to have someone running the channel to reply. Don’t you think that R Williams salary is too high for a backup big? It’s 12 mil so we would have to trade Gabe + probably Jax. Just saying that getting N Richards, Kessler, Sharpe, Huff or even Theis would be better if we also got a decent 3&D guard. Take care and stay safe with your close ones with all the fires at LA!
@ I try to reply as much as I can, especially when I see thoughtful comments. If you could flip Gabe for RW, I’m OK with that. I think it’s easier to find minutes to replace Gabe within the rotation. I’d obviously prefer Kessler. He’s my No. 1 trade target. But the price is really high. I like Richards and Sharpe too as bargain gambles. I don’t know if Memphis would give up Huff. I used to like Theis but I think he’s closed to washed now (though, who knows, maybe he’s better than Jaxson)
48:47 the Mavs game was the first time I'd put almost the entire blame for the loss on JJ. He ran a bunch of plays and made a bunch of stupid decisions. Having AD out on the perimeter far too often on the catch (even though some of this is AD's fault for being passive) AND keeping 2/3 guys off the court at the same time. He is taking too long to recognize how the game is going and what his roster really is. We can't have 2 of these guys off the court at the same time unless its for literally just a few seconds: Bron, AD, AR. Rest them 1 at a time. And stop keeping AD on the bench that long in the 4th quarter.
@@charismaticcharacter6529 he can just not full time and he definitely shouldn’t be the lead guard.. he gets scared when defensives pressure him 😂.. it’ll be worse come playoff time.. dlo used to take pressure from AR
@@wills.9422 should he just go back to shooting guard? Plus, can we even trade for a point guard that can start? Plus which kind of Point guard? Defensive or offensive point guard? I don’t think we can trade for one.
Really don’t understand the Bruce Brown obsession amongst Lakers fan. He’s been injured and even when he did play he looked mediocre and his advanced stats confirmed the eye test. He is no longer a good defender and is pretty much mediocre at almost everything. Mediocre playmaker, mediocre defender, mediocre shooter, mediocre scorer. For 23M ? No thanks, I’d rather keep Rui
Excuses and rationalizing a loss to the mavs is crazy! They had no Kyrie, no Luka and no Gafford and got beat by 20 that is pathetic. Not a serious team. Guys being a complete homer is crazy, we deserve the Truth! Insanity. 7-14 against above .500 teams tells you everything you need to know about this trash 🗑️
And I ❤lbj he's the goat but Father Time definitely caught up if he plays 40 mins he's taking 15 minutes off on defense and these young guys aren't taking plays off! If LeBron didn't take plays off like giannis he'll score 50 a night in today's game easy.
I think the best win now trade for the least amount of rotation players is with Utah. Sexton, Kessler and Mills for Vincent, JHS, Wood, Hayes and Reddish +1st and remove protections on the 1st they already have. This is assuming its true that Lakers dont want to trade Rui. I would trade Rui.
This isn’t a championship team that’s why the front office won’t go all in ! They give up way too easy and they have no heart and it all starts with the Super Stars !
jason is one of the smartest dudes that i have seen talk basketball in a long time. its been frustrating dealing with certain people and fans that dont understand whats actually wrong with the lakers roster and try and and blame things they just see on the surface. our problems have always been deeper than just needing a "big". if guards like spencer dinwiddie and quinton grimes can look like all stars against u, u know something more than just a "big" is wrong.
Yeap it’s been the same issue since Alex C left . CANT STOP THE BALL ! Creates constant rotations and errors
@@rodh-ww6ii biggest issue by far has been 2 way player depth and reliable shooting. u cant be a bottom 5 shooting team either with two paint dominant players like lebron and ad like we have been past few years esp in the era we exist in. we are on the right path with acquisition of finney smith but man would i love a guy like cam johnson or jerami grant on this team. u need that offensive punch against elite teams like okc, cavs, celtics, knicks etc. thankfully most of the tough elite teams are in the easy rn but still my point stands, if we are going for it all we need to make a real move!
yeah because Cleveland are struggling this year and they have awesome back court defensive guards and run a PF as their one and only true C……. Cmon bro
@@brilliantbehaviour point and proof a comment like this... did u just compare an elite scoring guard like donovan mitchel and a bucket like darius garland to our guards in reaves and christie? the whole reason u would need a guy like bruce brown is to stop these elite guards...we dont have the luxury of having a guy like kyrie( who we coulda had btw) or dearon fox. this is the exact reason we have to go the opposite route atleast to slow down these type of players. donovan mitchel is no walk over on defense either btw.. he guards well cuz of his athletic ability. and on the other end the dribble pressure, the shot creation ability and so many other things is the reason he is so dangerous.. name me one guard we have had that even comes close to that?
I think you might be taking the 'need a big' sentiment out of context. Most of the fan base knows that against 80% of the teams in the NBA, we are big enough in our front court. It's the bigger and more physical front courts that give us issues, where AD needs help on the boards. In Denver's case, not only do they have a bigger front court, but Jokic is the only big that makes AD a negative on defense, simply because Jokic backing him down nullifies all of AD's defensive strengths. When AD has to ask for help to double, and he's your best defender, you know your defense is going to get exploited. This is why they had Rui guard Jokic a lot in their match-ups the past year, so that AD can roam more on defense, and help Rui IF Jokic starts to abuse Rui, but that Rui would be the sacrifice to lose his energy (his legs) banging with Jokic rather than AD losing his legs. This allowed AD to have fresh legs on offense, which is why AD had a far better series against Denver last post season, and why Rui had a worse series against Denver (2024) then the previous series they played against Denver (2023). For the past 3 years we have been a bad rebounding team, but 2023 fooled us, because we got to the conference finals. The Grizzlies were missing Steven Adams, and Golden State is a small team when Looney isn't on the floor. We saw what Steven Adams did to us in the 3rd quarter of the Rockets game. AD couldn't keep him off the boards, because he's just too strong for AD. If you notice, all of these are situational circumstances. This is why I wouldn't advocate for getting a center that demands a starting spot, nor would I give up 1st round picks. Our needs for a big at the back-up spot is very specific, and just because a player may be a starting center on another team, doesn't mean he will give us what we need. A lot of the centers I hear us talking about in trade rumors may be starting caliber, but they won't help us in the two situations I mentioned above. I've said this before, but the type of center we need can be gotten for cheap, because our need isn't that they are an all-around center. We just need a center who is strong enough to not get pushed under the basket by Jokic, so that we don't have to double team Jokic. A lot of people say, "oh but no one can stop Jokic." It's not about stopping him, it's about not getting abused by him to the point we have to double team. Jokic scores so easily on AD and Rui in 1v1, that Jokic shoots 60%+ against us in the 13-15 game winning streak they have on us. In the Timberwolves series, Jokic averaged 55%, and they didn't have to double him, because they had multiple big bodies to throw at him. I'm talking about physical bigs, not twigs at the center spot. We have twigs at center. Even PFs can guard him if they are strong and tall enough, because being a C doesn't automatically make you hard to be pushed around. So we just need a physical big man that will allow us to play Denver straight up on defense, because going into a series having to double team more than half the time is a slow death with no hope of a comeback. I told people before that series that Darvin Ham was going to get fired after the series for getting sweps/gent swept again, and it wouldn't even be his fault, because how many defensive schemes can you run when you are limited to running schemes where you double??? I bet 70% of Ham's defensive playbook was not able to be used against Denver. Now Wemby is a twig, but gives Jokic problems, because he is so tall and long, that even if he is being shoved and off balance, his wingspan still hovers over the top of Jokic, but 99% of the other twigs in the NBA aren't like Wemby. So we don't stand a chance against Denver if AD is our biggest center, and for the last two years, AD has been our biggest and only defensively capable center. I've said it before that 3 bigs C/PF or Cs that come to mind that can bang with Jokic, but still move their feet well enough to not get hunted in pick n rolls, was Dwight Howard, Tristian Thompson, and Andre Drummond. All of these guys move laterally like offensive tackles in pick n roll coverage. Dwight may not be prime Dwight, but he's capable of giving us most of what he gave us in 2020. A lot of people like to point to 2022 as evidence he cannot, but our perimeter defense was so trash in 2022 (after Westbrook trade), that no big man was going to make a difference when our perimeter was getting blown by on a nightly basis. Even Vogel said he couldn't figure out a way to make that team work on defense. This is why I don't think that all we need is a big man, but I will say it till I'm blue in the face, that against Denver, it is the primary reason we can't beat them, because even with our mediocre perimeter defense, we still beat good perimeter oriented teams, because Vando and Schroder. Against Denver, Vando got bullied off the court by Aaron Gordon, and couldn't switch onto Jokic like Rui could, and Schroder got nullified by screens, and had no help fighting over the pick n roll screens, because the bigs had to shade Jokic. So Schroder ended up having as much success containing Murray in the pick n roll coverage as D'lo and AR, because being a good perimeter defender doesn't matter if you are defending a Pick n roll without the big being able to hedge, and Murray constantly got into the mid range pockets or just shot 3s if Schroder went under. It's like Schroder was defending the coverage by himself, and that's all because of the gravity Jokic was creating, because neither AD nor Rui could keep Jokic out of the restricted area by themselves. In the 2023 conference finals, Ham used Tristian Thompson too late, as he had big impact on Jokic, but we were already down in the series 3-0 before he got used. All of those 3 guys I just mentioned are back-up level bigs, because they have glaring weaknesses in other areas on defense or on the offensive side of the ball, but we don't care about that. We just need a big like one of those 3 for their strengths, so that we don't have to start them or promise minutes, but when they do get in, they will play like starting caliber centers, because we are playing them specifically at what they thrive at.
If we get one of those 3 bigs, we can use our draft capital on perimeter 2-way players, which is what I said months ago. We got DFS for 3 2nd round picks, and we could get a 2-way guard that can defend point of attack for a 1st round pick. Kessler is too expensive, and the other bigs we mention are either not on the market anymore (Myles Turner), or they would just get abused in pick n roll (Val and Vuc), or get bullied by Jokic (Nick Richards). So we have Dwight out there saying he'd basically join for free, which allows us to not have to use any draft capital on the type of big we need, why the hell not? Or, we can just give a g-league level player to Cleveland for Tristian Thompson. 76ers don't really need Drummond, so he can also be gotten on the cheap. I just think that the sooner we get the players we need in our system, the faster we can build the chemistry needed, so that they won't be a negative on the floor simply due to lack of knowing our schemes.
imo Jason is the Goat right now in this space. Simple, straight to the pt, easily understandable, intelligent, Insightful & most of all Honest 💯
I love that my 4 favorite laker guys (Jovan, Jason, Trevor & Allen) have shows together. Never miss any of their shows. You guys are the best!
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@@matthewdaniel4632 U absolutely right. Didn't mean to leave him out. Love his breakdowns!
If you haven't already, check out the LFR (Laker Film Room) podcast. Pete & Darius are 2 of the brightest minds who cover the Lakers, IMHO
@@richardmejia254they are the BEST!
Jason is the way I was introduced to Jovan way back, love these collab shows!!
Same!
imo Jason is the Goat right now in this space.
I listen to both of yall during my Commute/Breaks.
Epic collab. Need more!! Love yall both
I think Max has gotten to the point where he’s gonna be able to contribute in every single game.
I can’t see a game where Max isn’t playing a big role. He’s gotten that good and he’s only 21.
There’s a good chance that he gets a lot better as the season goes on
He’s good but i think u can kinda see he’s not really elite defensively he’s the best 3&D we have but not elite. Elite as in like KCP was for us..
Rui is a sometime 3 no time D.
@@wills.9422 his ability to navigate screens needs improvement actually
@@wills.9422 I disagree. He’s been guarding elite players over the last stretch and has done really well. He’s stronger than KCP, a little bit bigger, and jumps higher off of vert.
KCP was quicker and more experienced, but watch Max’s screen navigation and tell me he’s not improving rapidly
@@ChennyBritt i agree. Plus max has more potential as a scorer as well. KCP was in your face defender. Played much more physical. And idk if u noticed but we’ve been getting torched on the perimeter ..every star guard has had a great game on him 😂 but he’s only 21 tho.
Incredible as always, Jovan 🎉
stay safe everybody if you’re in LA. it feels apocalyptic out there. i’m in oc and the sky looks scary even from here.
Always great to have Jason on the show! He is great!!!
Awesome collaboration Jovan! Asking and answering the real questions with a lot of practicality in both of your analysis and coverage of the team. Fantastic episode ❤!
Wow...
What a combination by Buha and my guy!!!
How did I miss this??
Two of my favorite podcasters. Both provide great insight on Lakers basketball. Keep up the good work gents!!!😎👊🏾💯
I love Jason's view of the Lakers, he just state the facts and JJ needs to recognize that
Thank you for answering my question Jovan. Appreciate it!
Great episode, thanks Jovan & Jason
You two are my favorites!! Please do more content together!🎉
So cool to see Jason on!
WE NEED MORE JASON COLLABS 💯💯💯💯
This was a great show! Always a good listen to Jason! He is brilliant with his takes 🔥👍
love having Jason on the show! Great Show!
One of the better discussions I’ve seen in a while.
These two are on top of their game ❤
Jason one of the best guest keep inviting him
Best duo ever!
Love this Duo
THIS IS THE GREATEST COMBO EVERRRRRRRRRR
Always a great show here!
Rui & whatever draft compensation for Herb jones & Daniel Theis!
Another wing who is athletic & can guard the other team’s best player & Theis can take all the minutes for Jaxon Hayes & is a good backup center !
Great show guys
Been waiting on this banger to drop all day. Now can kill some time at work 😅
Same brother
Trading Rui for another starting 2 would create another problem. There are few bigs on this roster. There are few options to play “medium” too. Rui is one of the few bigger dudes who can shoot and score.
Two great basketball minds.
Great video!
You too equals great lakers content keep it up man
Agree that the main need is NOT a backup Centre.
Buha, it's time to keep the 5'O clock shadow. Felt like a baby seeing it's dad clean shaven for the first time
Jason is THE GOAT !! I would like to see him as a GM of Lakers 🙏🏻
Jovan and Jason?! Kobe and Shaq duo 🔥🔥🔥
Prayers to you all dealing with the fires there… it seems like it’s way too often there… Horrible situation… As far as the Lakers go… Totally agree on the needing an athletic 2/3, as far as a backup center goes… None of these guys will play big minutes with the exception of Kessler maybe but he would cost the least… I think you have to go get Bruce Brown… Thanks again!
Our biggest problem is the lack of 2 way players plus a Center who go hard for defensive and offensive rebounds.JJ Need to learn how to use his players,there is no way in this world he can play AR,Knecht,Rui,LBJ and AD to the same time.AR,Knecht and Rui are 3 of the worst defensive player we have and LBJ cannot play defense hard on defense every night ,that live us with AD playing defense by himself
Josh Green & Nick Richards = 17.6mil would be ok w/ me. Rui & Hayes= 19.5mil + 2 2nds & a heavily protected 20291st.
AR
Green
DFS
Bron
AD
Gabe
Max
Dalton
Vando
Richards
Milton
Wood
Cam
Bronny
After ghis trade, the Lakers will be 5.4mil under the 2nd apron. They can waive JHS & still have at least 1.4mil to elevate Koloko as the 3rd center on the regular roster or sign Markell Fultz or DSJr or Elfrid Payton for that 15th spot.
I think we have lost more after getting DFS, because JJ thought that having to play around AR and D'lo required trying to switch less to keep them from getting exploited, and that he could run more of his full time switching schemes getting DFS. Well, Dallas showed us that switching on everything isn't viable with just AR, even if blown coverages was the primary issue. Over-switching does also lead to eventually blowing coverages, although what Dallas was doing doesn't necessarily cause as much switching as playing against a motion offense would. I think we should try to find a balance to switching, because during our winning streak, we switched when needed, not all the time.
"coaching the team he wants vs the team he has" was an excellent comment. A good coach will mold his schemes to his personnel.
What a show! Feel like I just took my Basketball IQ to an All you can learn buffet! Nice team up, well done!
Yes! I have been banging the Josh green drum for the last few weeks, maybe add in nick nichards/kessler?
Rui coming off the bench would be great if he can play to his potential. But we thought Dlo would cook off the bench too lol.
hey Jovan, great stuff again! I think people really enjoy these collabs with other lakers related content creators. I have an idea which would a big hit I think, any chance you guys could collab and do something together (you, Allen, Jason and Trevor)? you could call it lakers all stars and time it around maybe the all-star weekend where all of you are probably "free"-er at the same time and would have a chance to make this happen. I think that would be a show for ages! :)
Gabe, JHS, Dalton to Charolette for Green, Richards, and a 2nd. Dalton might never be a playoff guy because his defense is so bad. Green gives us a similar shooting threat but plays defense. Richards is a fine backup big. We also clear a roster spot to sign Fultz and add another 2nd round pick which Charlotte has a ton of extras. Charlotte gets a good young prospect for them and slots nicely with Ball, Miller, Bridges, and Williams long term.
Buhaaa u have a great point I can’t lie. In jj is coaching like the team he wants vs the team he has. Definitely let’s our weaknesses in non athletic perimeter sometimes show a lot vs athletic teams vs coaching with deficiencies that is more in mind like Kerr did for curry
Back then u can only get Steph in spots not all game this easy like dinwiddie did last night
They get a pass for the Mavs game. They were thinking about their families back in LA.
Man, Jason REALLY doesn't like Max. There's going to be ebbs and flows with a 21yr old, but at the very least you're going to get someone who's gonna compete and contribute every night
Nothing about what I’ve heard from him sounds like he hates Max. He hates Max’s mistakes on defense.
@@jamiethorpe5431Everybody makes mistakes on defense.
Their backup 2 is in the G league - Quincy.
Yeahhh Jason & Jovan!!
WHAT A COLLAB
may godbless california...❤❤❤
Another option at the 2-3 spot lakers can get is Cody Martin if they fail to land Bruce brown. I agree with Jason. I love max but he’s too young and inexperienced to be the starting SG for a playoffs series. And yeah I don’t trust Dalton to be a rotation player in the playoffs. He can’t play defense and it’s struggling offensively. Same goes for Rui. We don’t know if he’s going to show up everyday in the playoffs. Maybe if he’s coming off the bench he can produce more offensively in case lakers keep him.
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Yo Jovan….you sold me! RW and BB let’s make it happen!
Lakers out: Hachimura, Vanderbilt, Vincent, Hood-Schifino, Jaxon Hayes, Christian Wood, and Reddish.
Lakers in: LaVine and Jevon Carter
Lakers sign: Biyombo, Dwight Howard, Keita Bates-Diop, Troy Brown Jr., and Cedi Osman
PG - James - Reaves - Milton
SG - LaVine - Carter - James
C -- Davis - Biyombo - Howard
PF - Smith - BatesDiop - Osman
SF - Christie - Knecht - Brown Jr.
Is it possible we could get kcp back with Rui and his contract?
So no talk about how Austin is so bad on defense, he is Food for anyone with the ball in there hand!
Hope LA can get Bruce Brown and either Kessler or Rob Will
These two look like they about to form an EDM Duo.
That loss to dallas sucked AD played horrible but also I remember lakers beat celtics last season in Boston without AD and Lebron.. They still need to upgrade Max's spot I am on a trade for Bruce Brown and Jakob Poeltl giving up Vando Gabe Rui and Jhs with draft capital to get it done will need to fill one spot but will have the space under the second apron to get it done. I think this would make them a contender probably cost both firsts though but would try to do 1 firsts and 2 seconds..
Hi Jovan hope you can answer this on your next vlog. In your honest opinion, is it time to trade AR now that his value is high to players like Fox. Honestly Reaves already reach his ceiling compared to Fox who can really put us on the top
Reaves hater here. But Reaves has 1 more level. He needs to build muscle like max has. Max shoot hasn't suffered. You gotta be real. His handle is average alone with athletic ability. So work on your weakness. Look what AC did. His upper body has no definition 😅. But he can change that. An guess wat he might unlock another level in athletic ability just hitting the weights. Knees Over Toes Guy can get it. Harden trainer can get 1 more level
1. If you're a Lakers fan, you know the Kings will never trade with the Lakers.
2. The Kings has been playing very well since they ousted their coach. 5-0 run. The Kings can also match any offer if and Fox has 1 more year to decide.
3. If (which is a very big IF) Fox will get traded, a bunch of teams with more draft capital will get him. And the Lakers will have to trade both Austin + Rui in that deal.
Kings will get everything they can for Fox.
Will yall stop with the FOX shit you’re gonna need more than 2 picks and they’re not trading Fox to the Lakers who they HATE with a passion smh, Lakers don’t have the value to trade for a FOX caliber player and fans need to accept that
@@AndreP1524this is true. But they could get two players like Dejounte Murray and Myles Turner (both) for the assets we have. Reaves, Knecht and two FRPs. Split them up plus contracts to get Murray and Myles
Reaves definitely hit his ceiling and he’s a defensive liability it is what it is other teams are switch hunting him…he’s great offensively but he gives up a lot of points on defense….lakers need an athletic pg that can play on both sides of the floor
This is WHY we have a Coach! What the Hell is JJ there for😜
What position is Dalton Knecht?
Lakers need to move heaven and earth, keep AD, DFS, Bron and make everyone and everything(including all available picks)else available as needed to fill necessary contract numbers to trade for Dejounte Murray AND Myles Turner. A starting five of Murray, DFS, Bron, AD, Turner would be a good two-way team. Would still have plenty of players left and can fill the gaps with buyout market and other means
Mavs were hunting reaves the whole time but let’s blame Rui 🤦🏽♂️ reaves, and Bron play little to no defense
Bron plays defense until he checks out because he feels the team isn’t good enough..
@@wills.9422thats called lazy
Trade Rui, Gabe, vando,jhs for Zach lavine. That’s the athletic guard we need, provides consistent 23ppg, athleticism, speed, and he can close out games. I think he will be an even better player for a contender team come playoff time. 2nd & cheaper option maybe Dejounte Murray
Lakers out: Hachimura, Vanderbilt, Vincent, Hood-Schifino, Jaxon Hayes, Christian Wood, and Reddish.
Lakers in: LaVine and Jevon Carter
Lakers sign: Biyombo, Dwight Howard, Keita Bates-Diop, Troy Brown Jr., and Cedi Osman
PG - James - Reaves - Milton
SG - LaVine - Carter - James
C -- Davis - Biyombo - Howard
PF - Smith - BatesDiop - Osman
SF - Christie - Knecht - Brown Jr.
Lakers out: Hachimura, Vanderbilt, Vincent, Hood-Schifino, Jaxon Hayes, Christian Wood, and Reddish.
Lakers in: LaVine and Jevon Carter
Lakers sign: Biyombo, Dwight Howard, Keita Bates-Diop, Troy Brown Jr., and Cedi Osman
PG - James - Reaves - Milton
SG - LaVine - Carter - James
C -- Davis - Biyombo - Howard
PF - Smith - BatesDiop - Osman
SF - Christie - Knecht - Brown Jr.
RUI for Donte DiVincenzo?
What about getting a Dejounte Murray instead of Bruce Brown?
I say we trade for Day Ron Sharpe or Nick Richards for JHS/ Wood. Either one. We frees roster spot then sign Dennis Smith Jr.
When do we acknowledge the trade did not fix the issue? At least not yet. Maybe with a little more time they'll improve, but you would expect effort issues and defense to resolve, and it hasn't. The mental lapses, effort lapses and willingness to settle is hard to watch.
I thought he was on to talk star wars 😂😂😂
love jason, but why would max get squeezed. he’s been their 4th best player
I don’t agree with Jovan- the 2020 model is outdated. The perimeter is faster than 5 years ago and AD wasn’t great with 3s this year - having R Williams + AD in the lineup asks for problems in terms of defending 3S and spacing in the offense.
I don’t believe in the 2020 model full-time. I think AD is a 5 and LeBron is a 4. But I think Robert Williams is good as a backup and you can find 1-2 shifts per game where he and AD can play for 3-4 minutes. But I don’t think they should go full-time to two bigs. AD and LeBron are different players now
@@jovanbuhaThx for the reply Jovan - that’s rare to have someone running the channel to reply. Don’t you think that R Williams salary is too high for a backup big? It’s 12 mil so we would have to trade Gabe + probably Jax. Just saying that getting N Richards, Kessler, Sharpe, Huff or even Theis would be better if we also got a decent 3&D guard.
Take care and stay safe with your close ones with all the fires at LA!
@ I try to reply as much as I can, especially when I see thoughtful comments. If you could flip Gabe for RW, I’m OK with that. I think it’s easier to find minutes to replace Gabe within the rotation. I’d obviously prefer Kessler. He’s my No. 1 trade target. But the price is really high. I like Richards and Sharpe too as bargain gambles. I don’t know if Memphis would give up Huff. I used to like Theis but I think he’s closed to washed now (though, who knows, maybe he’s better than Jaxson)
Should we try to get Cam Whitmore?
I would rather have Lonzo than Bruce Brown. I know he’s injury prone but he’d fit so well
Lonzo isn’t injury prone. He lost cartilage that had him bone on bone. Now he’s gotten more cartilage from a surgery procedure.
48:47 the Mavs game was the first time I'd put almost the entire blame for the loss on JJ. He ran a bunch of plays and made a bunch of stupid decisions. Having AD out on the perimeter far too often on the catch (even though some of this is AD's fault for being passive) AND keeping 2/3 guys off the court at the same time. He is taking too long to recognize how the game is going and what his roster really is. We can't have 2 of these guys off the court at the same time unless its for literally just a few seconds: Bron, AD, AR. Rest them 1 at a time. And stop keeping AD on the bench that long in the 4th quarter.
Go get Booker!
He said all that but didn’t give any names to trade rui for !
People too invested into Dwight. Thinking he's still the same player
It’s time to look to trade Rui. He just does not make sense for the team anymore. Get another guard for that salary.
Should Austin Reaves be the starting point guard for the rest of the season or do we need to get one? Moving Reaves to the shooting guard.
Reaves isn’t a starter. We have to stop this mess lol he’s a 6th man.
@ so you don’t think he can play point guard. I’ve been told that he’s not a point guard but he gets the job done.
@@charismaticcharacter6529 he can just not full time and he definitely shouldn’t be the lead guard.. he gets scared when defensives pressure him 😂.. it’ll be worse come playoff time.. dlo used to take pressure from AR
@@wills.9422 should he just go back to shooting guard? Plus, can we even trade for a point guard that can start? Plus which kind of Point guard? Defensive or offensive point guard? I don’t think we can trade for one.
Really don’t understand the Bruce Brown obsession amongst Lakers fan. He’s been injured and even when he did play he looked mediocre and his advanced stats confirmed the eye test. He is no longer a good defender and is pretty much mediocre at almost everything.
Mediocre playmaker, mediocre defender, mediocre shooter, mediocre scorer. For 23M ?
No thanks, I’d rather keep Rui
Excuses and rationalizing a loss to the mavs is crazy! They had no Kyrie, no Luka and no Gafford and got beat by 20 that is pathetic. Not a serious team. Guys being a complete homer is crazy, we deserve the Truth! Insanity. 7-14 against above .500 teams tells you everything you need to know about this trash 🗑️
I want my center is Dayron sharpe ❤
You say JJ is coaching a team that he wants, not a team that he has. OK, how else is he supposed to coach? What is the alternative?
And I ❤lbj he's the goat but Father Time definitely caught up if he plays 40 mins he's taking 15 minutes off on defense and these young guys aren't taking plays off! If LeBron didn't take plays off like giannis he'll score 50 a night in today's game easy.
We need Ant or Ja
JJ is a grade A BSer and y’all fall for it
Keep doubting they need a center. They all of that. I will say they don't need a superstar center. Y'all gon learn. Head makes a soft axx 🤷🏾♂️
I totally disagree get Kessler over everone he can cover on the back end
Imagine where max could be IQ wise if “hands in pocket “ Darvin Ham would’ve played him last year ….
He’d be on another team because he would’ve wanted more money if he played more 😂..
😂😂 true
I think the best win now trade for the least amount of rotation players is with Utah. Sexton, Kessler and Mills for Vincent, JHS, Wood, Hayes and Reddish +1st and remove protections on the 1st they already have. This is assuming its true that Lakers dont want to trade Rui. I would trade Rui.
This isn’t a championship team that’s why the front office won’t go all in ! They give up way too easy and they have no heart and it all starts with the Super Stars !
Starts with AD!!! Blowing layups signals we can't rely on his offense. We have nobody to replace 25 pts/gm
I disagree. They just want to find the right trade that make most sense instead of rushing into one
Bring back Lonnie walker
Do you guys think there is a chance to get Zo?
probably not, they said that the Bulls and Lakers don’t really have a relationship
Austin got crushed by Dinshitty😅😅😅😅😅😅
give me chris brown and kessler