😭 Cozy LM: we bought a new 2024 Entegra Esteem 29V March 2023 from a large National dealer who is still buying-up dealerships. We were told they had a 2023 29V on-order from Indiana and if "we gave them the deposit that day", they assured us the "Entegra gas region Manager promised they could update the order and get the options we wanted into the coach to be built and delivered in April." 6 hours after we gave them the deposit, they said, "sorry----the one on order cannot be altered to get our options installed and delivered in March and its the last mfg. run of the 2023 model year but, we will sell you the same unit in a 2024 version at the same price: little did we know, they probably paid less for the 2024 because of the backlog of 2022-2023 units and mfgs. trying to help dealers move backed-up inventory. We said yes---shorter story, the unit did not appear until late July: so many quality issues with the coach: pulled to the left, big gap in the cab-over 1 trim-piece fiberglass bunk and the factory filled the gap with silicone (dealer said it was shoddy work), motorized shade got stuck in trim moulding and would not budge, black marks and 2 missing screws in trim around window in 1 piece cap, entry door sticking, inside gen start button would not work, stickering was already peeling back on the drivers side rear coach, frozen slam-latch lock where key would not work, rough ride similar to a rental Class C RV company's units ie: not luxury ride--all this after 3+ years of research for what unit we wanted: I wanted a Class A and my wife a Class C so she could be comfortable driving the coach---so we ended-up on the Entegra Esteem 29V because of it offering several Class A-type features but in a Class C she felt more comfortable driving. I was so disappointed in the dealer/ordering process-----the poor quality of a brand new coach at a premium price----we did our research at Tampa/Hershey shows---did mfg. plant tours, communicated with region managers, product development people at Entegra, marketing people, Senior execs at Jayco----we even waited 2 1/2 years to order to allow the insanity of Covid mfg./demand to settle down along with more realistic prices at retail----When I made a list of warranty items to be taken care of and called Entegra Coach service-----nothing happened for several weeks: I called back in to ask why and was told the dealer had not registered the coach yet (after 12 weeks) so the mfg. could not address warranty work. It took 13 weeks for the license plate to show-up with no explanation why and on and on............When I was able to schedule warranty work, it was 8 weeks until I could drop the coach off at the local Jayco dealer----after 4-5 weeks of assessing what was needed and trying to get Entegra approval, they told me to take the coach back home until all the parts were in and they would call me to drop the unit off again--not losing my place in line. 5 weeks later, they called to say the parts were in--I dropped it back off and they called 2 days later to say they were so overloaded on their lot with units in need of service, told me to come pick it up again and perhaps they could get to it again in 4-6 more weeks: in what business should it take 3-4 months for a service appointment to get worked on!!! The entire experience from ordering to delivery to quality to servicing/warranty was so frustrating causing added complexity--frustration/anxiety and this was a BRAND NEW COACH---of supposed premium quality: we decided to cut our losses sooner rather than later and we ended up selling the coach!!! Think twice about buying if you are reading this: we were told, "driving an RV is like driving in a tornado during an earthquake"---we knew we would have to fix things, etc (my parents full-timed in a Winnebago Chieftain for 5 years so we were not new to the industry)----but, for a brand new unit to start this way and have an ugly ordering experience and delivery and poor quality off the bat and taking several months for warranty work--not worth it to own: will rent when we need to camp and, have told many of our poor experiences and, this was the 2nd largest purchase we have ever made outside of our primary home: at these prices, you would think customer satisfaction would be top of mind but, not in our experience! Our 3 sons & their families are so bummed with us, that they would not, now, even consider buying an RV so generations of future sales have been lost by the industry as well. I realize why you got rid of yours and knew of your issues prior to our ordering------should have paid more attention and not gone through this horrible experience. Sad----
Thanks for sharing your experience with Entegra! Entegra Coach is my favorite brand of Motorhome but it’s clear to see that they are not perfect… Truthfully I am shocked with your experience and I will be sharing this with Jayco/Entegra higher ups! Hopefully they can learn from this and improve there process! I’m excited to see what new rig you went with next!
Thanks for watching and sharing our experience! We hope they can use this feedback as well! I must say, your channel is absolutely instrumental in picking a new rig, it would be nearly impossible without it, so thank you!!
Wow, I'm saddened. You have put such energy into the Cozy Machine. We have a 29V on order (since March) and your explanation of the ordering process is invaluable. I'm glad Matt is speaking up. Thank you for your insights, and we wish you both well.
We're right there with you!! And us as well, we're humbled by Matt reaching out, what a wonderful thing. I'm sure you'll love your 29V, enjoy your new motorhome! 😊
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Wow! I'm so sorry you're having these problems. Yours is such a beautiful rig, with an awesome floorplan. I can't believe they are giving you such a run-around. Well, I believe you. But that's terrible. I have a recall on my Forester - a pvc weld on the awning needs to be redone. I found a dealer in Troutdale do do the work ... in December! They're going to fix a few minor warrantee issues at the same time. Well, the shower leaking isn't a minor issue! But the other things are minor. I haven't had a lot of rain yet, so I don't know if I have any leaks (other than the shower). I guess I'll keep an eye out for the kinds of things you're seeing.
I'm curious, where abouts is it leaking in your shower? That's frustrating! It's a good thing that you at least have an appointment, and a PVC weld seems like a strange thing to have a recall on, but at least they're taking care of it proactively! I sure hope that you have no leaks at all, so knock on wood! I know we're due for a good rain anytime, so you'll find out soon enough! 😊 If you don't have it already, I'd suggest picking up a tube of Dicor Self-Leveling Sealant and a caulking gun. Not too expensive at all, and if there are any leaks, that will cover anything on the roof! Then ProFlex sealant for anything in corners, on the sides, around windows, etc. You'll be happy to have it!
Not sure I would post a negative video before getting rid of the RV. I find it interesting that Matt's RV Reviews offered to share your experience with Jaco/Entegra, but hopefully owners who have negative experiences don't have to rely on TH-cam to get them resolved. We love our 2021 Esteem 29V and feel it is the best RV floorplan on the market for a Class C. We have been lucky with repairs from RV One where we purchased the RV and from Ford.
Hi Larry! That's great feedback! We're comfortable with how we're ending our 29V experience because we've decided to move forward with something different that we'll be sharing in our next video! Thankfully we are working with a dealership that will ensure that the work is done appropriately before being sold to another buyer. Of course, we've been doing this for quite a while and completely agreed - this is certainly the best RV floorplan and overall package on the market for a Class C! It's also great to know that RV One has great service, that's so important.
✔️I just spent the last two hours going through every nook and cranny, every millimeter of my 31F ... My main issues are, a screw popping up at the base of the bed under the vinyl floor, paint chip problems, yellow stains in different parts of the vinyl floor, (I had this looked at, and it seems that the glue they used is somehow filtering in through the vinyl onto the surface!) Over the cab window screen opens halfway only. Main door balance loose (I fixed it) Also like you, one of the latches on the generators door was not latching correctly (fixed) Thankfully no leakings so far! Other than that, a great rig and a beautiful floor plan. Let us know what you get next, bud! Cheers! 🤘🏻😎🍺
The bolt popping through sounds very familiar, the flooring issue is so sadly very common with these. The blind issue in the front cab is so strange, sounds like there's something binding or the controller needs to be recalibrated! What a strange one there! And I'm right there with you, there's so much to love still! And will do, that'll be the next video. 😊
Loud and clear on your comments/observations. Took significant portion of my retirement and purchased 27U. PDI at dealer was a joke and a $1,400 uncharged on the sales price. Got frustrated and exhausted after 4 hours taking delivery that I agreed to take delivery and return unit in 45 days for "warranty" work. Have been doing repairs on my own since 60 days after delivery, mostly poor electrical wiring, plumbing issues and loose panels, drawers and replacing staples with screws to hold it together. A poor purchase all in all.
It's deplorable how poorly these hold up, even just on their way to the dealerships, and how little these companies care about how hard folks work to be able to afford one of these and how much stress it adds to their lives. What a shame.
You just saved us $100,000 + dollars, we actually had one of these on our list to check out... Wow, So sorry for you guys to have these issues...but from about 5 years back these kind of problem have really been showing up on most of the models... Wow.. Thanks for the video!
I'm glad to share and offer a different perspective!! It's such a shame too because we had such high hopes, but if it saves you money and stress in the long run, absolutely worth erring on the side of caution in my mind. Good luck with your search!!
We were actually nearly ready to trade in our TT for one of these! It checks ALL the boxes for us and I don’t think there’s another class c that does. Boo hoo.
Great info, Cozy RV! You have been more than reasonable in your request for repairs on such an expensive unit. Am I understanding correctly, that an Entegra dealer will not warranty the repairs because they did not sell it? Wow, shame on them! It is great you are putting this info out there for the rest of us who are considering their products. Good Luck with your new rig!
Wow this really through me for a loop. I was so excited to be in the market for buying Entegra Odyssey but now I have to look for something else. I don’t have the time or energy or even the know how to fix all the things you’ve done in your rig. And I wanted to live in mine full time. This really scares me knowing all these things can go wrong and no one would be willing or able to fix it because of the name issue or whatever they come up with. This is very disturbing. Thank you for the review it really helped me make a final decision to not buy this brand. I’m glad I saw this just in time. Thank you so much. Can’t wait to see what you have chosen for your next rig.
I'm glad it was helpful! We had so much hope for our Esteem, but even the little things like how a small leak from a loose fitting will cause the cabinetry to swell insanely because it's not real wood and instead a fake fiberboard is just so disappointing! These units are beautiful initially, they have wonderful features and great layouts, but they're just not quite where they need to be quality wise (among other things) or us to feel comfortable continuing to full time in it. Feel free to watch our other videos because we are about a month away from a class A motorhome this time, but it's a Holiday Rambler Vacationer 36F. It may seem like a big jump, but I suspect you'll appreciate some of the reasons!
I'm very sorry you guys will have to let the 29v go, but for a good reason. Darn it. The 29v was my dream rv to get for the last 2 years. The first time I saw it was with Matt's rv, then I was looking to see a real reviews on this unit and found you guy. I am following your channel for a very long time (it looks like you are the only one on TH-cam with 29v) And it saddens me to see you guy having all this really bad issues. I thank you so much for all the videos you shared. I have learned a lot from them. I really wanted to live a life in an rv but what I have learned so far is that the quality, warranty and especially the service of this industry is really bad and absolutely do not mach the price. It looks like I will have to postponed my dream for a while until the industry will understand there's something wrong with these operations. (I believe I'm not the only one). Iove your channel and enjoy watching you guys travel and thanks for taking me with you on your journey. Can't wait to see what's the next surprise under your sleeves 😍. Safe travels 🙏.
As our we, very bummed! This has been otherwise such a great motorhome for us and checks so many boxes! I absolutely know what you mean about wanting to full time but having those concerns. You're certainly not alone!! We're working to find a way to share the best of the best when it comes to picking an RV, what to look for, all that good stuff. We really appreciate you following along and I suspect we'll have plenty to share and learn from going forward as well! 😊
We were pretty surprised because we loved that motorhome and thought the same thing - they've been around for a long while and know what they're doing! In this case, I think we just happened to get one of the rushed units and after trying and trying, we felt better moving on. And thank you! We try not to be upset at what we can't control and focus on what we can instead. It just meant all new adventures for us!
Great perspective. I have a Jayco Precept and was considering going to the unit you have, but not now. Sounds like a nightmare. Good luck and thanks for sharing.
It is obvious to me that your rig had a lot more damage than what you were told and were lied to; get rid of it. Fun fact: I started watching your channel because I am looking to downsize and was planning to get an Esteem. However, since I want to stay around 25 feet I have been looking at the Entegra Odyssey 26M but now, I am having second thoughts after watching this video. Thanks!
We've certainly have been incredibly disappointed because there's so much to love about these motorhomes! And we don't mean to discourage anyone from considering these RVs, but we thought there was value in sharing our experiences over these past few months!
@@CozyLivingMachine Thank you! I WFH as a web developer and its a nice little spot to hide out during the day. The table is big enough too that my wife can work from the other side. We had considered pulling the dinette out and building desks here but decided this was the better route. By the way, I watched your driving videos before I got this to help ease my concerns about size. I used to be a van lifer in my single daqys and it very much reminded me of driving that (just a little longer and taller). Thanks for the videos!
So here's the real question: does it stay secured while driving down the road? I have a 34" unit that I'd like to hook up, but keeping it from banging in to things is the only hesitation I have! Being a web developer, it sounds like you have a great setup then!! In terms of resale value if that's something you choose to do down the road, I'd say you probably went the right route by leaving it as-is. We have the desk, and love it, but it hurt that resale value a little bit! I'm glad those videos helped!! I felt a bit dorky sharing them but I thought it might make a difference for someone, and it sounds like it did! Yeah, it's really not bad at all, just a van. Just watch that tail swing (not hard) and check your mirrors more frequently, and otherwise just enjoy the ride and the views! 😊
@@CozyLivingMachine We havent moved since I bought the mount but its a simple clamp mount i grabbed off of Amazon. I will probably take it down and put it on the bed along with the PS5 when we drive. Our laptops have cases thankfully. We wont be full mobile till after January when my wife changes to remote work.
Your make and model WAS on my short list, was on my short list. I’m now convinced not to buy a Class B+ or C and A’s are out of the question for a multitude of other reasons. I hate pulling a trailer but when they are problems it’s a lot less money. I think if I had 150k pile of problems, I’d be getting an attorney.
Wow….thank you for your honesty. After years of watching RV videos, a previously owned Entrgra Esteem 29v is what we think we will end up with. Now I just have to hope someone doesn’t sell us yours ! Ugh! Best of luck with the next RV and I look forward to continuing to follow your channel.
Happy to share! And I really think either an Esteem or an Odyssey 29V (or 30Z is also fantastic) pre-2021 would be ideal, personally. Save a little money and have a few less headaches, hopefully!
I'm not a fan of lemon law, however, it sounds like you have a very, very good case of lemon law. Red flag to me would have been them telling me it was in an accident, a deal breaker.
Congratulations on the new A. So what happened to the Esteem? How were you able to offload it with all it's issues? You seem like a really positive dude, but did you just end up taking a loss on it?
I’m so sorry you are having these problems. We have been living full time in our Esteem 30X for about 13 months and have had none of your problems. However, the floor needs to be replaced because of the glue they used and we can’t find anyone willing to do it because of the 22 foot slide. We are in Idaho and would be willing to drive to Indiana but Entegra won’t give us an appointment. Thankfully, the only issue we have is the floor but I have spent so much time trying to work to find a solution and right now it looks impossible. We are willing to pay for it and let Entegra reimburse us but can’t find anyone who is willing to work with a full length slide.
I love that layout and we're both very glad that you aren't having issues other than the floor!! I've heard TONS about the flooring issues, and other than the bolts under the floor popping up we haven't had trouble, thankfully. We had created an appointment back in May or June for a November appointment that you can have! We had cancelled it because of the trade, but the dates are 11/28-11/29 for confirmation number N1BV8151 and you're free to take our slot if they haven't already reassigned it and are willing to help you guys out! I might suggest contacting the NIRVC because I've heard that they do fantastic work. There's a location in Phoenix and another in Las Vegas, which may save you a few miles over heading back to Middlebury, IN!
@@CozyLivingMachine Thank You. I will try to get that spot. We had an independent inspection done on the coach before we bought it so most of the things were fixed before we took possession of it.
So so sorry. Unfortunately no one wants to be responsible for their products anymore. Plus them saying that you could sell this coach independently just puts them farther in the hole. You don't strike me as people that would sell your problems to others. We are looking at this coach and will inspect the product more closely than normal. Thank you...
You know, I really thought that was a particularly unfortunate thing to hear. It's certainly an option, I suppose, but we absolutely would not sell this privately without having all of the issues resolved. That just doesn't seem like the right thing to do, and we wouldn't want someone to do that to us! And best of luck with your new rig!! 😊
You guys are super detail oriented, I think that's part of why I watch. You are over the top inso many ways and that's not bad thing. You're also not wrong, it seems like your rig is falling apart around you! I pray your next one works out better. I'm using what I learn from you to help me buy my own in the next year. And by the way did you make a video when you cut your hair off?? I'd love to hear that story too!!
Hahaha thank you! Those terms aren’t always used endearingly! We try to say it all as it is and maybe help others along the way. 😊 and thank you, we sure hope the next one plays nice!! And I hope our videos help in your search, we try to cover all sorts of rigs so if you have any specific questions, send them our way!!
Just watched the solar/haircut video! I actually saved that one to show my guys. I'm building a team, someone for engine and body stuff and someone for inside stuff. I have little to no skills other than driving, I can tell if something is wrong but that's it!! I love how chopping off that beautiful hair was just a part of your day, no stress. Thanks for taking us along and showing us "how to"!
Thanks. I'll be buying within a 5 month time frame and am crossing Entegra, and Jayco, off my list. I had high hopes for their four winds wanna be, but NO WAY JOSE
@@CozyLivingMachine Right. I'm hearing LOTS like this. I'm not buying anything, *not at all* unless an independent inspector signs off on the New Rig I finally decide on. These manufacturers have SCREWED UP so badly that every single RV on the lots need to be certified, repaired, and then re-certified by Independent Inspectors.. I've been RV'ing for about 15 years now, in a class B+ Chinook, 19ft. And while I am in the market for a new and Fancier Motorhome, I'll be damned if I am buying any of these pieces of JUNK. I'm retired and have budgeted $130,000, and they arent getting a penny.. I'll keep using my old motorhome, and the dipwads can Bite the Big One. Here the market is saturated, the Lots are full, and the salesmen are clearly hungry, frustrated and ready to deal .. but with the kind of JUNK they are selling they won't be selling to me.
I am so sorry you had to make this video. But at the same time, I am so *very* thankful you did before I shelled out $100,000+ on a 27U. I’m not saying I won’t still consider it, but this definitely makes me pause and explore other options (maybe something without a slide) . And I’m really looking forward to seeing what you get next. :-) Thanks for doing what you do.
We appreciate you watching!! We don't mean to discourage anyone from considering these RVs, but we thought there was value in sharing our experiences over these past few months and this is certainly something I wish we had seen prior to purchasing this motorhome!
Thanks for the very informative review! I’m considering an Esteem 27U, but now I’m not so sure…unfortunately, every brand I’m looking at have problems!
Oh man, I know that RV's will have issues, but the number of quality assurance issues and lack of Entegra support is very troublesome. We are about to buy a 2021 Entegra Esteem 30X and now I'm worried. I will be looking for all the issues you have been having with your rig to see if they are present on our potentially new rig! Thanks for all the detailed information!
Definitely check the floor for any bumps under the vinyl, check all seams and the like, check the cabinetry edges for peeling, and I might even advise against the full body paint, but if you get a good unit, you're going to love it! They're such nice motorhomes, especially with a few suspension component upgrades! For full timing, it would be hard to recommend a class C of this size, but for long trips and weekends and such, it's much nicer than many class C models!
I think you made the right decision; hope you didn't take too big of a bath on the trade. Looking forward to seeing what you're getting next...While my wife and I are still looking, we've abandoned Class Cs as an option because they don't have great CCC once you get up there in length . If we had a 3/4 ton truck it would be a different story, but as we don't, lower end motorhomes are kind of a wash price -wise if you need to buy a truck as well, so we're now looking at F53 chassis based Class As instead. I wonder if you're doing the same? We shall see I guess. Better luck with the next one !
I think we're getting a fair deal, all things considered. The dealership won't be hurting any, I will also say! And the CCC is no joke! We're only around 1,250 pounds or so, it's a joke! We made a few changes to help that out, but still! And I think our next two videos will come in handy for you. I didn't go so much into the tech specs of these motorhomes, because that will be a whole separate video in and of itself, but it's a bit more in depth with some of the materials, the layouts and designs after having confirmed that the CCC is adequate and some other details!!
Hi Joel and Emma. Congratulations on your new rig. I’ve been watching the new videos as the come out. We are purchasing a 2020 Esteem 29v 😮 from a large dealership and praying because it’s older and built before the Covid shut down, that we won’t have the problem you’ve had with yours. My question to you is when you purchased Zepplin, did you have the ceramic coat put on it? We know it will be an option when we met and inspect the RV next week. We’re wondering if it will help with the paint chipping. We have not seen the RV in person yet, but our third-party inspector only noted minimal paint chipping, mainly on the hinges of the outside storage doors. We do still have the ability to back out. Again, congratulations and best of luck going forward.
Hello! Thank you! And that's great, really cool and I hope that there are no functional troubles at all and that was pre-nonsense! 😂 I'm sure you'll love it either way. As for the ceramic coating application, we did not. We did apply a product ourselves that's a ceramic wax spray that uses graphene and some other stuff to keep the surface more hydrophobic and a little easier to clean, though I don't know that the surface of the paint/clearcoat would be a good candidate for a good ceramic coating. The paint that we had received was genuinely abysmal, just soft, flakey and not shiny as one might expect. If it's already flaking or chipping, it's possible that a company would apply ceramic coating but I would suspect that most might pass. If we were doing it all over we would avoid the full body paint, but it's also possible that pre-2020 they were using a different vendor/process for their paints! This is what we picked up if you're curious! www.turtlewax.com/products/hybrid-solutions-ceramic-wax-spray-coating-16-fl-oz
Again thanks for the good info. We were also considering this rig Going to Tampa rv super show next month. Caught this video just in time. We have mounted solar on our current rig. Wondered if you took panels off your lemon before you rid yourself of it? Also was glad to see you mounted without screwing into the roof which is our preference also and plan to do with next rig. Thanks so much. Happy New Year and safe travels!
Happy to share, I'm glad it's helpful info! We will be removing the panels (I expect this will be an all-day affair!) and then reusing most everything on the new one as well. We're just about a month away from the new rig being delivered, thankfully! Happy New Year to you as well!!
That’s insane. I remember when you first got it. Your coach is bout the same as my 2021 gulfstream conquest 6320. We don’t live in it but sure do use it. I’ve fixed stuff on it as you have which I consider minor, but small beans to the slides and wacky paint work. A lot of shops that paint semi trucks probably would have fixed that issue. Biggest issues I’ve had are with the EQ Systems levelers. Which isn’t by lippert. Seems gulfstream uses they’re stuff as well as some others but they’re support is horrible, they do have some videos in regards to some simple things but when you go beyond that and call you get nobody to talk to. So the systems work big there are nuances with it and if it can’t be resolved then I’m going to have the entire leveling system taken out and but something in place that should excel what’s there. I’m figuring $5000.00 to replace it cause they don’t wanna do business. Dealing with them is like what your dealing with. I feel your pain and whatever you get next will be better.😀😀👍👍
I've heard great things about the Gulf Streams, so that's a shame that EQ Systems service is even less responsive than others! That's not how it should be at all. And $5k for a new leveling system... 🤯 I hope you get that figured out for much less!! And the semi truck painting locations, that's not one that came to mind - good idea there, thanks!
@@CozyLivingMachine Gulf Stream stand alone has been great, anytime I’ve called and needed something as for info and tech or a pdf on something related directly to them I’d give them a big thumbs up but eq systems is stand alone and not supported by Gulf Stream. I retired from almost 40 years of semi trucking and seen about everything in the paint shops for them, had a couple three of mine in them and always was happy with the quality. The work I had done was typically more than two colors as well. The turn around time on painting my trucks was right around 2 weeks. They were meticulous.
I had misread your message and thought Gulf Stream wasn’t living up to their reputation! I’m actually very glad that they’re still solid. That leveling issue would drive me mad though! And I know there was a huge scene with fantastic and interesting paint jobs on trucks a while back. I’d love to see that again. I never see peeling and cracking on semis, so I suspect there’s something to that!!
Hey guys, ever have your rv water tank just empty? Filled mine up for a trip, had the switches turned to normal and when I got to the gas station to fill up on gas (less than a mile on the road) all my water drained out the 3 hoses below the tank. I have the exact same unit as you guys so I thought I would shout out to you. Love your videos! If you had this experience would love to know!! Thanks!
Hello! We haven't had it COMPLETELY empty, though we've heard of this from others! Ours has drained down to about halfway, though I suspect we drive on bumpy enough roads that the sloshing stops the suction before it can get to that point! I've been told if you can take the three tubes and raise them to the bottom of the floor above the tank, you can use ties to keep them in place, that should stop this!
Keep in mind, your dealer said it was in an accident but Jayco & entegra have no record of an accident. It very well could if happened after dealership purchased it and with the rv "dealership delivery". That would put it on the rv dealership and not entegra or Jayco which is why they seem like they aren't representing. Also why it wasn't repaired properly.
Not that you need to, but you can almost always back out with minimal to no penalty if you need to. Inspect the hell out of your unit before you sign, especially the paint, wiring, flooring (those screws are almost certain to come up) and the cabinetry. There's no real good trick for these slides that I could recommend, ours leaked like crazy when it was closed, nobody knows why lol but don't be afraid to back out if you need to, and I hope you enjoy it if you do get one! That front windshield is amazing, lots of rig in a small package!
@@CozyLivingMachine the unit we are looking at looks mint! only 4k miles! I could not see any issue with it save for the bathroom vanity, the flip down faux drawer was a bit messed up, and that was it! I'll look it over again as we are supposed to pick it up Saturday! :/
Are these solar panels factory-installed, or have you set up on the roof yourself, and if so, what is the cost of it and what gives us, probably 1300W, thanks, Marco
The unit came with 190W of solar preinstalled, and then we added 1200W of solar ourselves. The panels themselves I believe we got for around $80/panel, so right around $1000 for that, then wiring and connections is conservatively around $150, our charge controller was overkill at $750 but you can do it for much less and those connect to a separate battery and inverter which likely doesn't matter. I'd say just the panels and wiring we're at under $2k there, and you could probably do it again for $1500 or so, especially depending on the deals you can get! Larger panels also may be found for a better price, so 250W instead of the 100W panels that we added.
@@CozyLivingMachine Thank you for the answer, I am thinking about buying an entegra odyssey 31F and setting up a solar as you do, but I see that buying an RV is a great risk, I cordially greet you
@@maromcmilan1507 I completely understand! We were so excited for our motorhome but after these issues and a good amount of others, we just cannot recommend it any longer. 😔Thank you for watching and we're always happy to answer any questions!!
I know I'm very late to the game here, but we are looking at a used 2021 29V and while doing research, found your videos. Did you ever get the leaks resolved? This one looks spotless but now we're concerned if we should even consider it ?
Unfortunately, no. We sold the RV after a year of owning it, and Jayco had no idea what the issue was. All of the seals were intact around the slide as well as the roof and it made even less sense that it was leaking when the slide was in, when it should be least likely to leak! There are many with the 29V model with the same issue, it's possible that someone else had figured it out by now if you check out forums or Facebook groups with owners that share information.
Damn this sucks and is scary! My wife and I very recently purchased an entegra odyssey 29v. Thankfully we don’t need to be concerned about the full body paint but it’s good to be aware of some of the issues that may arise! I do have a question if you don’t mind; we’ve only used the new rv once and it was at a site with no hookups. After the shower ran for about 30 seconds it stopped draining. I started doing some digging and found the air admittance valve under the fridge. I unscrewed it and the tub drained immediately. I took the simple valve apart and it’s working just fine so I’m stumped on what the problem is. I left the valve off so we can use the shower but something obviously isn’t right. Have you heard of this issue before? Sorry for the novel 😂. Love the videos by the way!
Oh yeah, I suspect your Odyssey won't have many of the issues here, and I suspect you'd know if you had the rear slide leak so good news there! I haven't heard of that at all, very interesting... I wonder if the valve is getting stuck closed? It may be something you could pick up from Camping World and pop another one in, just to check for the persistence of that issue. Thankfully, that's not something we've seen and Emma did a quick search on the Facebook 29V forum and didn't see any specific mentions of that either! Great troubleshooting skills you have though, wow! And thank you for watching!! 😊
Thanks for the quick response and thanks Emma! Neither of us have Facebook nor social media. I’m just gonna pick up new valves and hope that does the trick so we don’t have to deal with warranty/service 😂. I wish you guys the best with the new Rv and look forward to seeing it!
Of course! Please let us know if that works though, definitely a bit curious in case we run in to that ourselves! And thank you! Hopefully not too much longer! 🤞
Hi hope you resolved your problem by now ,I had the issue of gray and black labels turned around and with that ,I open and left gray water tank open so it can drain make a long story short it was the black tank draining and gray filling up I have the 31F odessy
That’s not a bad idea, interesting thought and I’ve considered whether water is getting in front around the A/C because the A/C is never on while it’s raining. A few techs and I ruled that out and identified that it must be the slide that’s catching water and directing it inside specifically 🤔
Interesting question. They drive absolutely terribly at this size. The class Cs under 27 feet seem to do alright from what we've heard, but even after three upgrades to the suspension, they still ride pretty poorly. You can get upgrades for the suspension, though I would expect to upgrade with about $5-10K, depending on whether you do the upgrades on your own or not.
When you spend your hard earned $$$$$$ on a rig you should not have this many issues. I bought a sprinter van which was the price of a house and could not even use it for 6 months because in had major issues and it was in the shop forever. It was so frustrating. I'm sorry you guys had to have this experience its no fun! I will never buy any rig built in 2019 2020 2021 0r 2022. Hope the quality control in all RV manufactures will be steppin up there game in 2023! Happy travels.
I completely agree. Things are always going to happen, of course, but at some point it becomes just a matter of the unit not being built solid in the first place! And I'm with you, hopefully the material quality improves, attention to detail improves (lower pressure on the employees to finish quicker) and the market finds themselves happier as a whole! 🤞🤞🤞
Too bad you had all these issues, new or used there are problems, at least you know these were manufacturers defects. The paint issue would have drove me up the wall so I am glad I have a white odyssey even though I dislike the common white RV. Where your crack is I think is completely a cosmetic piece because the Odysseys do not have it but the Esteems do, the same I am sure is for the Redhawk and Greyhawk Jaycos. I’m glad I haven’t had the same issues as you guys have had with mine but one would think that the craftsmanship would be much better based on the increased sticker price. I followed you guy mostly for the solar you did but because you had a Entegra class C now that you won’t….. just kidding! Good luck with your new gas Class A!
Agreed! At least we know where things stemmed from! And absolutely, we genuinely regret not getting an all-white motorhome at this point! I suspect it may be cosmetic as well, though any hole in our motorhome is an immediate red flag!! And as for the increase in price, that's what we figured as well. Doing it over again, the Odyssey trim would be the way we'd go. Maybe a 30Z just because it's so similar to ours! And I'm not going to lie, I would completely understand the unsubscribes, I'm emotionally prepared! 🤣 When we had our Airstream, we followed people just for that, then unsubbed and went over to Scamp-specific channels, then minivan channels... Ebbs and flows! 😂
Thanks for this video. I'm looking to retire in the next couple of years, and I've had my eye on this RV. I love the layout because you can use it with the slides in. I'm kinda disappointed. I don't want to spend all that money and them not stand by their product. Now I have to rethink things.
sad to see the esteem go. but you gotta look out for you. Jayco/Entegra wont. good decision on trading it in. sucks to hear it received so much damage prior to delivery.
As are we! And we'll have a video shortly on some of our plans for the new rig we have on order. We shot a video, took more than a day to edit, and then I realized nobody would watch it because it's so long and more of a comparison than anything! So we're shooting another video announcement today and hopefully will have that up tomorrow morning! Many more videos to come still. 😊
Well SH*T kinda had my mind made up on getting a 2024 Entegra 29V now I'm second guessing....is there any good manufacturer out there 😕 now I'm back to considering spending the extra money on a 2023 Fleetwood Bounder which is what I really wanted but questioning if their quality is any better 🤦♂
Especially the newest models, I would stay far away from them. They've taken away one of their biggest advantages - the easy 12V wiring and switches, replacing with a multiplex system. Knowing all of the wiring issues that we had, it's scary to think of what they might do wrong and the impacts that will have, on top of everything else. The Bounder was certainly better, but I would take a look at a gently used Lazy Daze or Bigfoot motorhome. The quality will surprise you when you step in and tap on things, look around and listen for the density of materials. Night and day difference, on top of saving a bundle by buying used.
@@CozyLivingMachine thanks for the reply! I actually started tapping on things inside motorhomes after watching one of your videos before hahaha you can definitely tell the quality difference!
The best advice here is "they are all manufactured equally poorly" consider that many brands are all in the same area of Indiana and use the same labor
Both brands (Jayco and Entegra) should split their costs of a buyback. Seems this should be heard by their Governing Body. Could the paint issue become a class-action?
Whoa... That's identical to the issues we're having here, including that strip bumping out on ours as well! Jeez man, thanks for that tip. I'm even more angry now than I was before at the build of these, and it absolutely explains why we've been having troubles.
@@CozyLivingMachine Glad it was beneficial! For what its worth it looks like a pretty straight forward fix, just put bolts in place of the screws, then re-seal everything. Hardest part would be removing the interior/house panels for access.
Absolutely. It doesn't look too bad, definitely do-able, if we were to be keeping the rig. The fact that this has to be done in the first place is mind-boggling. Terrible construction, and Emma's and my anger is reinvigorated. 😂
@@FrankBullitt390 Wow. That just made me very sad to read, actually. Reminds me of a few absolutely terrible places I've been in the past. What a shame. I had to stop after page 3.
The icing on the cake was finding out that the cabinetry isn't actual wood but instead a material that's significantly less durable! This is our video about that: th-cam.com/video/jIs33z_QYmA/w-d-xo.html It's a shame too, because this unit could be so fantastic!
Unfortunately, the lemon laws are strong with the chassis/motorized units, but not with the house/boxes in Washington and South Dakota! But we did look into that, good thinking!
We were considering the Jayco Seneca, but when we went to see it in person, the paint job was horrible. You could feel the color changes. It's supposed to be perfectly smooth with no transition btwn colors. And the overall quality was about the same. Very disappointed.
That's an interesting question! Emma and I discussed that, and our dealer knows of what's going on and will perform all of the necessary repairs. This is important because we don't care to spend the time to wait for a repaint, body work, etc on this unit prior to selling. It also doesn't seem ethical to sell this unit without disclosing the issues to another potential buyer, particularly because the warranty is not valid for anyone other than us!
I'm glad that just sharing the information can hopefully save folks from the same mistakes we've made! Best of luck in your search for the perfect rig for you!
I agree you pay too much money for your RV, to be having the problem you are having, it should under regulation by the government regulated like cars are. From what you are showing there is a issues with curing of the fiberglass Harding.
Agreed!! These have wheels, motors, etc just like cars, so why the heck not?! And that’s what I was thinking, especially with the mesh showing still. Frustrating to see on an otherwise beautiful motorhome!
I'd ask them if they are trying to defraud you what with them denying the accident being logged. Dodgy dodgy dodgy, and that tear along the cab could be dangerous. Once they get a lawyer's letter asking for compensation they will want to buy it back asap. Good luck. Get your lawyer to scare the crap out of them, then you'll see results. Stress, psychological distress, waste of your time, unfit for use. I'd be worried about fire with a water leak.
I'm glad someone understands our frustration! It's definitely been a concern about electrical issues as well, being that the electrical system is close enough to the leak, though thankfully the water tends to pool down, towards the front of the motorhome, but the issue stands!!
@@donnag7434 oh shoot. If you enter this directly in the web browser, does this help? th-cam.com/video/ojZofftQPtQ/w-d-xo.html We haven’t yet shared the new rig we’ve chosen! It’s a surprise, and we’re working on two videos: one video announcement and one video where we walk through our options and what we were looking for in a new rig!
Great video again... You two make a lovely couple... So there is a video on YT ... " 5 Awesome Class C RVs with No Slide Outs " ... by RV Blogger. Did you have any leaks from the roof ? I'm shocked that you would have so many problems on $ 100 K + RV's... Matt's RV reviews are highly skewed towards industry bias and are based on showroom floor walk through... Not real life use... So lesson learned... don't buy a Jayco or Entegra
Thank you!! 😊 And you know, I have to say that Jayco makes my favorite roof in the industry. I think that was the most impressive part of the factory tour that we'd done. The fiberglass is decent, wraps around and sealed well, and it's freaking solid! So thankfully no leaks at all, they did a good job there. That's why the slide leak and the rest have surprised us so much!!
Unfortunately, that seems to be the case. In this instance, they were kind enough to continue to cover us under warranty. I've seen folks that are not full-timing take longer trips than we've even had our unit, so I'm not so sure we should even consider ourselves "full time" in this unit yet!
@@CozyLivingMachine More people should be aware of this. I emailed Entegra and that is basically what they told me. That's why some brands specifically state full-time warranty. I've had many people in different groups say, "Just don't tell them or Lie." My thought is if you have a really major issue and warranty can be voided cause I live in it and am not going to lie, then I will go with a company who covers Full Time living. Good luck with your new unit.
I find that the kind of money you spend on these rv’s you should expect better workmanship and then service. I as a lone female can’t do all this stuff this man has done. Jayco was my choice but now I need to rethink. Prices increase due to Covid issues and there seems to be no pride in workmanship. Very sad. These people have jumped through hoops to do whatever it takes to get their rig up to snuff.
After a new travel trailer, a new 35' toy hauler and now with a 34' 5th wheel trailer we've had for 5 years . And to many problems to list on all of them . If you didn't purchase from a really good dealer that has knowledgeable techs. Owning a RV can be your worst nightmare if you can't do a lot of your own repairs . The RV industry needs a LEMON LAW.
That’s terrible. No way am I buying any Entegra Class C. These are problems that need factory repair. Way too far for you to go. I just can’t believe it. Sometimes slide leaks is because the install on the racks is off by one or two teeth. That will need the factory to address. I’ve. Seen it before. Seal replacement does nothing if the slide is off by even one single tooth. Paint problem will never go away. Electrical problems are very difficult to address anywhere other than factory. I would never take delivery of an RV that was in an accident, never. The accident was a La Mesa accident. Now you know about La Mesa. the reason Jayco didn’t know it was in an accident was because it took place while La Mesa had it. They never reported it to Jayco. Tip # 1 Never try to fix a RV yourself while under warranty, the manufacturer can deny any further coverage.
That's the problem with production RVs. For the cost of these new RVs you would think these companies would give a crapp about their customers and the manufacturers reputation. That's why I'm a proponent of well used commercial buses like Prevost, Newell, MCI and Vanhool Conversions that have far far superior quality and the conversion companies care about their products, reputations and most importantly their customers.
There’s absolutely no denying those are the way to go for anyone looking for something that’s made with genuinely quality components. I’ll have to make a video or two on some Prevosts or the like at some point. I do love a good bus tour!!
I'm a bit confused cuz the way you approach things you seen methodical and intelligent but one the worst things one can do buy a brand new depreciating asset that costs way more than the average vehicle. That initial 20% hit once you drive it off the lot is huge. The glitz and glam of a new unit is gone real quick. I would look into a 10-15 year old Prevost conversion bus they make a 40 foot unit as well as 45. The chassis and frame of the actual unit is stainless steel and welded together as one solid unit. It's a much better quality build and they have to meet commercial safety standards. There have been some that have rolled down hillsides and have been towed up and righted only to be driven off. If that happens in a production coach it's crushed like a flumsy cardboard box. I surely wouldn't want my family in that. It doesn't matter how good of a driver you are because there are a lot of idiot drivers out there that you have no control over. Can you put a price on safety. In my book new and flashy will never supercede safety. I'll take a used Prevost over any new production coach evey day of the week.
The problem is that it's a JAYCO.... watch there videos on how fast they build there travel trailers... there is no quality what-so-ever.... so that's why I call it JUNKO !
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😭 Cozy LM: we bought a new 2024 Entegra Esteem 29V March 2023 from a large National dealer who is still buying-up dealerships. We were told they had a 2023 29V on-order from Indiana and if "we gave them the deposit that day", they assured us the "Entegra gas region Manager promised they could update the order and get the options we wanted into the coach to be built and delivered in April." 6 hours after we gave them the deposit, they said, "sorry----the one on order cannot be altered to get our options installed and delivered in March and its the last mfg. run of the 2023 model year but, we will sell you the same unit in a 2024 version at the same price: little did we know, they probably paid less for the 2024 because of the backlog of 2022-2023 units and mfgs. trying to help dealers move backed-up inventory. We said yes---shorter story, the unit did not appear until late July: so many quality issues with the coach: pulled to the left, big gap in the cab-over 1 trim-piece fiberglass bunk and the factory filled the gap with silicone (dealer said it was shoddy work), motorized shade got stuck in trim moulding and would not budge, black marks and 2 missing screws in trim around window in 1 piece cap, entry door sticking, inside gen start button would not work, stickering was already peeling back on the drivers side rear coach, frozen slam-latch lock where key would not work, rough ride similar to a rental Class C RV company's units ie: not luxury ride--all this after 3+ years of research for what unit we wanted: I wanted a Class A and my wife a Class C so she could be comfortable driving the coach---so we ended-up on the Entegra Esteem 29V because of it offering several Class A-type features but in a Class C she felt more comfortable driving. I was so disappointed in the dealer/ordering process-----the poor quality of a brand new coach at a premium price----we did our research at Tampa/Hershey shows---did mfg. plant tours, communicated with region managers, product development people at Entegra, marketing people, Senior execs at Jayco----we even waited 2 1/2 years to order to allow the insanity of Covid mfg./demand to settle down along with more realistic prices at retail----When I made a list of warranty items to be taken care of and called Entegra Coach service-----nothing happened for several weeks: I called back in to ask why and was told the dealer had not registered the coach yet (after 12 weeks) so the mfg. could not address warranty work. It took 13 weeks for the license plate to show-up with no explanation why and on and on............When I was able to schedule warranty work, it was 8 weeks until I could drop the coach off at the local Jayco dealer----after 4-5 weeks of assessing what was needed and trying to get Entegra approval, they told me to take the coach back home until all the parts were in and they would call me to drop the unit off again--not losing my place in line. 5 weeks later, they called to say the parts were in--I dropped it back off and they called 2 days later to say they were so overloaded on their lot with units in need of service, told me to come pick it up again and perhaps they could get to it again in 4-6 more weeks: in what business should it take 3-4 months for a service appointment to get worked on!!! The entire experience from ordering to delivery to quality to servicing/warranty was so frustrating causing added complexity--frustration/anxiety and this was a BRAND NEW COACH---of supposed premium quality: we decided to cut our losses sooner rather than later and we ended up selling the coach!!! Think twice about buying if you are reading this: we were told, "driving an RV is like driving in a tornado during an earthquake"---we knew we would have to fix things, etc (my parents full-timed in a Winnebago Chieftain for 5 years so we were not new to the industry)----but, for a brand new unit to start this way and have an ugly ordering experience and delivery and poor quality off the bat and taking several months for warranty work--not worth it to own: will rent when we need to camp and, have told many of our poor experiences and, this was the 2nd largest purchase we have ever made outside of our primary home: at these prices, you would think customer satisfaction would be top of mind but, not in our experience! Our 3 sons & their families are so bummed with us, that they would not, now, even consider buying an RV so generations of future sales have been lost by the industry as well. I realize why you got rid of yours and knew of your issues prior to our ordering------should have paid more attention and not gone through this horrible experience. Sad----
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@@robokat36 legal reasons
Maybe some kind of NDA
Thanks for sharing your experience with Entegra!
Entegra Coach is my favorite brand of Motorhome but it’s clear to see that they are not perfect…
Truthfully I am shocked with your experience and I will be sharing this with Jayco/Entegra higher ups!
Hopefully they can learn from this and improve there process!
I’m excited to see what new rig you went with next!
Thanks for watching and sharing our experience! We hope they can use this feedback as well!
I must say, your channel is absolutely instrumental in picking a new rig, it would be nearly impossible without it, so thank you!!
@@CozyLivingMachine Thank You! Please contact me if you bring your new rig to Tampa! I would love to review it!
I can’t wait to see your next RV too!!
@@KJohnson316 we just got an ETA of February-ish. We’ll have an video announcement of the specific unit soon though!!
@@MattsRVReviews Instrumental in us deciding on the Lep 319MB! Thank you. Side note, the valances ARE weird!
Wow, I'm saddened. You have put such energy into the Cozy Machine. We have a 29V on order (since March) and your explanation of the ordering process is invaluable. I'm glad Matt is speaking up. Thank you for your insights, and we wish you both well.
We're right there with you!! And us as well, we're humbled by Matt reaching out, what a wonderful thing. I'm sure you'll love your 29V, enjoy your new motorhome! 😊
This is ruby from the Gecko Grill in Scottsdale AZ! I MISS YOU GUYS I HOPE YOU GUYS ARE DOING WELL :'-( crying while typing this! Good good vibes your way! ❤️❤️❤️❤️So happy to see you guys living and thriving!
Amazing! This was the company I was considering but not now. So Sorry it’s happening to you guys.
I hope it is helpful to know what to look for and assist in finding the right rig for you!!
Wow! I'm so sorry you're having these problems. Yours is such a beautiful rig, with an awesome floorplan. I can't believe they are giving you such a run-around. Well, I believe you. But that's terrible. I have a recall on my Forester - a pvc weld on the awning needs to be redone. I found a dealer in Troutdale do do the work ... in December! They're going to fix a few minor warrantee issues at the same time. Well, the shower leaking isn't a minor issue! But the other things are minor. I haven't had a lot of rain yet, so I don't know if I have any leaks (other than the shower). I guess I'll keep an eye out for the kinds of things you're seeing.
I'm curious, where abouts is it leaking in your shower? That's frustrating! It's a good thing that you at least have an appointment, and a PVC weld seems like a strange thing to have a recall on, but at least they're taking care of it proactively! I sure hope that you have no leaks at all, so knock on wood! I know we're due for a good rain anytime, so you'll find out soon enough! 😊 If you don't have it already, I'd suggest picking up a tube of Dicor Self-Leveling Sealant and a caulking gun. Not too expensive at all, and if there are any leaks, that will cover anything on the roof! Then ProFlex sealant for anything in corners, on the sides, around windows, etc. You'll be happy to have it!
Not sure I would post a negative video before getting rid of the RV. I find it interesting that Matt's RV Reviews offered to share your experience with Jaco/Entegra, but hopefully owners who have negative experiences don't have to rely on TH-cam to get them resolved. We love our 2021 Esteem 29V and feel it is the best RV floorplan on the market for a Class C. We have been lucky with repairs from RV One where we purchased the RV and from Ford.
Hi Larry! That's great feedback! We're comfortable with how we're ending our 29V experience because we've decided to move forward with something different that we'll be sharing in our next video! Thankfully we are working with a dealership that will ensure that the work is done appropriately before being sold to another buyer. Of course, we've been doing this for quite a while and completely agreed - this is certainly the best RV floorplan and overall package on the market for a Class C! It's also great to know that RV One has great service, that's so important.
@@CozyLivingMachine I'm sorry you two had to go thru so many challenges with your RV. Good luck to you.
@@larryhudson3930 I appreciate it! Thankfully we have a plan here. Best to you as well!
✔️I just spent the last two hours going through every nook and cranny, every millimeter of my 31F ... My main issues are, a screw popping up at the base of the bed under the vinyl floor, paint chip problems, yellow stains in different parts of the vinyl floor, (I had this looked at, and it seems that the glue they used is somehow filtering in through the vinyl onto the surface!) Over the cab window screen opens halfway only. Main door balance loose (I fixed it) Also like you, one of the latches on the generators door was not latching correctly (fixed) Thankfully no leakings so far! Other than that, a great rig and a beautiful floor plan. Let us know what you get next, bud! Cheers! 🤘🏻😎🍺
The bolt popping through sounds very familiar, the flooring issue is so sadly very common with these. The blind issue in the front cab is so strange, sounds like there's something binding or the controller needs to be recalibrated! What a strange one there! And I'm right there with you, there's so much to love still! And will do, that'll be the next video. 😊
Loud and clear on your comments/observations. Took significant portion of my retirement and purchased 27U. PDI at dealer was a joke and a $1,400 uncharged on the sales price. Got frustrated and exhausted after 4 hours taking delivery that I agreed to take delivery and return unit in 45 days for "warranty" work. Have been doing repairs on my own since 60 days after delivery, mostly poor electrical wiring, plumbing issues and loose panels, drawers and replacing staples with screws to hold it together. A poor purchase all in all.
It's deplorable how poorly these hold up, even just on their way to the dealerships, and how little these companies care about how hard folks work to be able to afford one of these and how much stress it adds to their lives. What a shame.
You just saved us $100,000 + dollars, we actually had one of these on our list to check out... Wow, So sorry for you guys to have these issues...but from about 5 years back these kind of problem have really been showing up on most of the models... Wow.. Thanks for the video!
I'm glad to share and offer a different perspective!! It's such a shame too because we had such high hopes, but if it saves you money and stress in the long run, absolutely worth erring on the side of caution in my mind. Good luck with your search!!
Also TY. I think I'll wait a while before purchase.
We were actually nearly ready to trade in our TT for one of these! It checks ALL the boxes for us and I don’t think there’s another class c that does. Boo hoo.
Great info, Cozy RV! You have been more than reasonable in your request for repairs on such an expensive unit. Am I understanding correctly, that an Entegra dealer will not warranty the repairs because they did not sell it? Wow, shame on them!
It is great you are putting this info out there for the rest of us who are considering their products. Good Luck with your new rig!
Wow this really through me for a loop. I was so excited to be in the market for buying Entegra Odyssey but now I have to look for something else. I don’t have the time or energy or even the know how to fix all the things you’ve done in your rig. And I wanted to live in mine full time. This really scares me knowing all these things can go wrong and no one would be willing or able to fix it because of the name issue or whatever they come up with. This is very disturbing. Thank you for the review it really helped me make a final decision to not buy this brand. I’m glad I saw this just in time. Thank you so much. Can’t wait to see what you have chosen for your next rig.
I'm glad it was helpful! We had so much hope for our Esteem, but even the little things like how a small leak from a loose fitting will cause the cabinetry to swell insanely because it's not real wood and instead a fake fiberboard is just so disappointing! These units are beautiful initially, they have wonderful features and great layouts, but they're just not quite where they need to be quality wise (among other things) or us to feel comfortable continuing to full time in it. Feel free to watch our other videos because we are about a month away from a class A motorhome this time, but it's a Holiday Rambler Vacationer 36F. It may seem like a big jump, but I suspect you'll appreciate some of the reasons!
I'm very sorry you guys will have to let the 29v go, but for a good reason.
Darn it. The 29v was my dream rv to get for the last 2 years. The first time I saw it was with Matt's rv, then I was looking to see a real reviews on this unit and found you guy. I am following your channel for a very long time (it looks like you are the only one on TH-cam with 29v) And it saddens me to see you guy having all this really bad issues.
I thank you so much for all the videos you shared. I have learned a lot from them.
I really wanted to live a life in an rv but what I have learned so far is that the quality, warranty and especially the service of this industry is really bad and absolutely do not mach the price.
It looks like I will have to postponed my dream for a while until the industry will understand there's something wrong with these operations. (I believe I'm not the only one).
Iove your channel and enjoy watching you guys travel and thanks for taking me with you on your journey.
Can't wait to see what's the next surprise under your sleeves 😍.
Safe travels 🙏.
As our we, very bummed! This has been otherwise such a great motorhome for us and checks so many boxes! I absolutely know what you mean about wanting to full time but having those concerns. You're certainly not alone!! We're working to find a way to share the best of the best when it comes to picking an RV, what to look for, all that good stuff. We really appreciate you following along and I suspect we'll have plenty to share and learn from going forward as well! 😊
Jayco is such a well established brand. Talk about headaches. You guys have the best attitude
We were pretty surprised because we loved that motorhome and thought the same thing - they've been around for a long while and know what they're doing! In this case, I think we just happened to get one of the rushed units and after trying and trying, we felt better moving on. And thank you! We try not to be upset at what we can't control and focus on what we can instead. It just meant all new adventures for us!
Great perspective. I have a Jayco Precept and was considering going to the unit you have, but not now. Sounds like a nightmare. Good luck and thanks for sharing.
It is obvious to me that your rig had a lot more damage than what you were told and were lied to; get rid of it.
Fun fact: I started watching your channel because I am looking to downsize and was planning to get an Esteem. However, since I want to stay around 25 feet I have been looking at the Entegra Odyssey 26M but now, I am having second thoughts after watching this video. Thanks!
We've certainly have been incredibly disappointed because there's so much to love about these motorhomes! And we don't mean to discourage anyone from considering these RVs, but we thought there was value in sharing our experiences over these past few months!
I was looking at this unit for my next rv....i will pass. Thor 28A no slides. Love it!!!!
We just picked up a 2022 Coachmen Leprechaun 319MB as full-timers and so far we love it.
I’m watching your tour video now, I love the gaming setup there!! Plenty of room in that rig for full timing!
@@CozyLivingMachine Thank you! I WFH as a web developer and its a nice little spot to hide out during the day. The table is big enough too that my wife can work from the other side. We had considered pulling the dinette out and building desks here but decided this was the better route.
By the way, I watched your driving videos before I got this to help ease my concerns about size. I used to be a van lifer in my single daqys and it very much reminded me of driving that (just a little longer and taller). Thanks for the videos!
So here's the real question: does it stay secured while driving down the road? I have a 34" unit that I'd like to hook up, but keeping it from banging in to things is the only hesitation I have! Being a web developer, it sounds like you have a great setup then!! In terms of resale value if that's something you choose to do down the road, I'd say you probably went the right route by leaving it as-is. We have the desk, and love it, but it hurt that resale value a little bit!
I'm glad those videos helped!! I felt a bit dorky sharing them but I thought it might make a difference for someone, and it sounds like it did! Yeah, it's really not bad at all, just a van. Just watch that tail swing (not hard) and check your mirrors more frequently, and otherwise just enjoy the ride and the views! 😊
@@CozyLivingMachine We havent moved since I bought the mount but its a simple clamp mount i grabbed off of Amazon. I will probably take it down and put it on the bed along with the PS5 when we drive. Our laptops have cases thankfully. We wont be full mobile till after January when my wife changes to remote work.
Your make and model WAS on my short list, was on my short list. I’m now convinced not to buy a Class B+ or C and A’s are out of the question for a multitude of other reasons. I hate pulling a trailer but when they are problems it’s a lot less money. I think if I had 150k pile of problems, I’d be getting an attorney.
Wow….thank you for your honesty. After years of watching RV videos, a previously owned Entrgra Esteem 29v is what we think we will end up with. Now I just have to hope someone doesn’t sell us yours ! Ugh! Best of luck with the next RV and I look forward to continuing to follow your channel.
Happy to share! And I really think either an Esteem or an Odyssey 29V (or 30Z is also fantastic) pre-2021 would be ideal, personally. Save a little money and have a few less headaches, hopefully!
I'm not a fan of lemon law, however, it sounds like you have a very, very good case of lemon law. Red flag to me would have been them telling me it was in an accident, a deal breaker.
I completely agree, and certainly lesson learned!!
Congratulations on the new A.
So what happened to the Esteem? How were you able to offload it with all it's issues?
You seem like a really positive dude, but did you just end up taking a loss on it?
I’m so sorry you are having these problems. We have been living full time in our Esteem 30X for about 13 months and have had none of your problems. However, the floor needs to be replaced because of the glue they used and we can’t find anyone willing to do it because of the 22 foot slide. We are in Idaho and would be willing to drive to Indiana but Entegra won’t give us an appointment. Thankfully, the only issue we have is the floor but I have spent so much time trying to work to find a solution and right now it looks impossible. We are willing to pay for it and let Entegra reimburse us but can’t find anyone who is willing to work with a full length slide.
I love that layout and we're both very glad that you aren't having issues other than the floor!! I've heard TONS about the flooring issues, and other than the bolts under the floor popping up we haven't had trouble, thankfully. We had created an appointment back in May or June for a November appointment that you can have! We had cancelled it because of the trade, but the dates are 11/28-11/29 for confirmation number N1BV8151 and you're free to take our slot if they haven't already reassigned it and are willing to help you guys out!
I might suggest contacting the NIRVC because I've heard that they do fantastic work. There's a location in Phoenix and another in Las Vegas, which may save you a few miles over heading back to Middlebury, IN!
@@CozyLivingMachine Thank You. I will try to get that spot. We had an independent inspection done on the coach before we bought it so most of the things were fixed before we took possession of it.
I’m sure that’s saved you guys a bit of headache for sure! And sounds great, fingers crossed it can be yours!!
So so sorry. Unfortunately no one wants to be responsible for their products anymore. Plus them saying that you could sell this coach independently just puts them farther in the hole. You don't strike me as people that would sell your problems to others. We are looking at this coach and will inspect the product more closely than normal. Thank you...
You know, I really thought that was a particularly unfortunate thing to hear. It's certainly an option, I suppose, but we absolutely would not sell this privately without having all of the issues resolved. That just doesn't seem like the right thing to do, and we wouldn't want someone to do that to us! And best of luck with your new rig!! 😊
You guys are super detail oriented, I think that's part of why I watch. You are over the top inso many ways and that's not bad thing. You're also not wrong, it seems like your rig is falling apart around you! I pray your next one works out better. I'm using what I learn from you to help me buy my own in the next year. And by the way did you make a video when you cut your hair off?? I'd love to hear that story too!!
Hahaha thank you! Those terms aren’t always used endearingly! We try to say it all as it is and maybe help others along the way. 😊 and thank you, we sure hope the next one plays nice!! And I hope our videos help in your search, we try to cover all sorts of rigs so if you have any specific questions, send them our way!!
As for the hair, it was in this video! 🤣 talk about embarrassing… th-cam.com/video/xYo96iYokps/w-d-xo.html
Just watched the solar/haircut video! I actually saved that one to show my guys. I'm building a team, someone for engine and body stuff and someone for inside stuff. I have little to no skills other than driving, I can tell if something is wrong but that's it!! I love how chopping off that beautiful hair was just a part of your day, no stress. Thanks for taking us along and showing us "how to"!
Wow. Good for you that you almost have a 100k plus motor home in just a few months.
Thanks. I'll be buying within a 5 month time frame and am crossing Entegra, and Jayco, off my list. I had high hopes for their four winds wanna be, but NO WAY JOSE
It's a shame, right? Not to say they haven't made some great motorhomes, but trust me, they're off our list as well. 😂
@@CozyLivingMachine Right. I'm hearing LOTS like this. I'm not buying anything, *not at all* unless an independent inspector signs off on the New Rig I finally decide on. These manufacturers have SCREWED UP so badly that every single RV on the lots need to be certified, repaired, and then re-certified by Independent Inspectors.. I've been RV'ing for about 15 years now, in a class B+ Chinook, 19ft. And while I am in the market for a new and Fancier Motorhome, I'll be damned if I am buying any of these pieces of JUNK. I'm retired and have budgeted $130,000, and they arent getting a penny.. I'll keep using my old motorhome, and the dipwads can Bite the Big One. Here the market is saturated, the Lots are full, and the salesmen are clearly hungry, frustrated and ready to deal .. but with the kind of JUNK they are selling they won't be selling to me.
I am so sorry you had to make this video. But at the same time, I am so *very* thankful you did before I shelled out $100,000+ on a 27U. I’m not saying I won’t still consider it, but this definitely makes me pause and explore other options (maybe something without a slide) .
And I’m really looking forward to seeing what you get next. :-)
Thanks for doing what you do.
We appreciate you watching!! We don't mean to discourage anyone from considering these RVs, but we thought there was value in sharing our experiences over these past few months and this is certainly something I wish we had seen prior to purchasing this motorhome!
Thanks for the very informative review! I’m considering an Esteem 27U, but now I’m not so sure…unfortunately, every brand I’m looking at have problems!
If you're open to gently used, check out the Lazy Daze class C motorhomes. They are incredibly well built and can be had for much better value. 😊
Oh man, I know that RV's will have issues, but the number of quality assurance issues and lack of Entegra support is very troublesome. We are about to buy a 2021 Entegra Esteem 30X and now I'm worried. I will be looking for all the issues you have been having with your rig to see if they are present on our potentially new rig! Thanks for all the detailed information!
Definitely check the floor for any bumps under the vinyl, check all seams and the like, check the cabinetry edges for peeling, and I might even advise against the full body paint, but if you get a good unit, you're going to love it! They're such nice motorhomes, especially with a few suspension component upgrades! For full timing, it would be hard to recommend a class C of this size, but for long trips and weekends and such, it's much nicer than many class C models!
I think you made the right decision; hope you didn't take too big of a bath on the trade. Looking forward to seeing what you're getting next...While my wife and I are still looking, we've abandoned Class Cs as an option because they don't have great CCC once you get up there in length . If we had a 3/4 ton truck it would be a different story, but as we don't, lower end motorhomes are kind of a wash price -wise if you need to buy a truck as well, so we're now looking at F53 chassis based Class As instead. I wonder if you're doing the same? We shall see I guess. Better luck with the next one !
I think we're getting a fair deal, all things considered. The dealership won't be hurting any, I will also say! And the CCC is no joke! We're only around 1,250 pounds or so, it's a joke! We made a few changes to help that out, but still! And I think our next two videos will come in handy for you. I didn't go so much into the tech specs of these motorhomes, because that will be a whole separate video in and of itself, but it's a bit more in depth with some of the materials, the layouts and designs after having confirmed that the CCC is adequate and some other details!!
That sounds like a good reason back out of our deal while we can. Sorry for your problems. Saved be some problems.
Hi Joel and Emma. Congratulations on your new rig. I’ve been watching the new videos as the come out. We are purchasing a 2020 Esteem 29v 😮 from a large dealership and praying because it’s older and built before the Covid shut down, that we won’t have the problem you’ve had with yours. My question to you is when you purchased Zepplin, did you have the ceramic coat put on it? We know it will be an option when we met and inspect the RV next week. We’re wondering if it will help with the paint chipping. We have not seen the RV in person yet, but our third-party inspector only noted minimal paint chipping, mainly on the hinges of the outside storage doors. We do still have the ability to back out. Again, congratulations and best of luck going forward.
Hello! Thank you! And that's great, really cool and I hope that there are no functional troubles at all and that was pre-nonsense! 😂 I'm sure you'll love it either way. As for the ceramic coating application, we did not. We did apply a product ourselves that's a ceramic wax spray that uses graphene and some other stuff to keep the surface more hydrophobic and a little easier to clean, though I don't know that the surface of the paint/clearcoat would be a good candidate for a good ceramic coating. The paint that we had received was genuinely abysmal, just soft, flakey and not shiny as one might expect. If it's already flaking or chipping, it's possible that a company would apply ceramic coating but I would suspect that most might pass. If we were doing it all over we would avoid the full body paint, but it's also possible that pre-2020 they were using a different vendor/process for their paints!
This is what we picked up if you're curious! www.turtlewax.com/products/hybrid-solutions-ceramic-wax-spray-coating-16-fl-oz
Again thanks for the good info. We were also considering this rig Going to Tampa rv super show next month. Caught this video just in time. We have mounted solar on our current rig. Wondered if you took panels off your lemon before you rid yourself of it?
Also was glad to see you mounted without screwing into the roof which is our preference also and plan to do with next rig. Thanks so much. Happy New Year and safe travels!
Happy to share, I'm glad it's helpful info! We will be removing the panels (I expect this will be an all-day affair!) and then reusing most everything on the new one as well. We're just about a month away from the new rig being delivered, thankfully! Happy New Year to you as well!!
That’s insane. I remember when you first got it. Your coach is bout the same as my 2021 gulfstream conquest 6320. We don’t live in it but sure do use it. I’ve fixed stuff on it as you have which I consider minor, but small beans to the slides and wacky paint work. A lot of shops that paint semi trucks probably would have fixed that issue. Biggest issues I’ve had are with the EQ Systems levelers. Which isn’t by lippert. Seems gulfstream uses they’re stuff as well as some others but they’re support is horrible, they do have some videos in regards to some simple things but when you go beyond that and call you get nobody to talk to. So the systems work big there are nuances with it and if it can’t be resolved then I’m going to have the entire leveling system taken out and but something in place that should excel what’s there. I’m figuring $5000.00 to replace it cause they don’t wanna do business. Dealing with them is like what your dealing with. I feel your pain and whatever you get next will be better.😀😀👍👍
I've heard great things about the Gulf Streams, so that's a shame that EQ Systems service is even less responsive than others! That's not how it should be at all. And $5k for a new leveling system... 🤯 I hope you get that figured out for much less!! And the semi truck painting locations, that's not one that came to mind - good idea there, thanks!
@@CozyLivingMachine Gulf Stream stand alone has been great, anytime I’ve called and needed something as for info and tech or a pdf on something related directly to them I’d give them a big thumbs up but eq systems is stand alone and not supported by Gulf Stream. I retired from almost 40 years of semi trucking and seen about everything in the paint shops for them, had a couple three of mine in them and always was happy with the quality. The work I had done was typically more than two colors as well. The turn around time on painting my trucks was right around 2 weeks. They were meticulous.
I had misread your message and thought Gulf Stream wasn’t living up to their reputation! I’m actually very glad that they’re still solid. That leveling issue would drive me mad though! And I know there was a huge scene with fantastic and interesting paint jobs on trucks a while back. I’d love to see that again. I never see peeling and cracking on semis, so I suspect there’s something to that!!
Hey guys, ever have your rv water tank just empty? Filled mine up for a trip, had the switches turned to normal and when I got to the gas station to fill up on gas (less than a mile on the road) all my water drained out the 3 hoses below the tank. I have the exact same unit as you guys so I thought I would shout out to you. Love your videos! If you had this experience would love to know!! Thanks!
Hello! We haven't had it COMPLETELY empty, though we've heard of this from others! Ours has drained down to about halfway, though I suspect we drive on bumpy enough roads that the sloshing stops the suction before it can get to that point! I've been told if you can take the three tubes and raise them to the bottom of the floor above the tank, you can use ties to keep them in place, that should stop this!
Keep in mind, your dealer said it was in an accident but Jayco & entegra have no record of an accident. It very well could if happened after dealership purchased it and with the rv "dealership delivery". That would put it on the rv dealership and not entegra or Jayco which is why they seem like they aren't representing. Also why it wasn't repaired properly.
That very well could be!!
I'm glad you 2 went to a schoolie. I don't believe there are any motorhomes/campers, etc that are not built with absolute junk material.
Yikes! We just committed to buy a 2023 27U!!! :O I hope it doesn't have these issues!!!!!
Not that you need to, but you can almost always back out with minimal to no penalty if you need to. Inspect the hell out of your unit before you sign, especially the paint, wiring, flooring (those screws are almost certain to come up) and the cabinetry. There's no real good trick for these slides that I could recommend, ours leaked like crazy when it was closed, nobody knows why lol but don't be afraid to back out if you need to, and I hope you enjoy it if you do get one! That front windshield is amazing, lots of rig in a small package!
@@CozyLivingMachine the unit we are looking at looks mint! only 4k miles! I could not see any issue with it save for the bathroom vanity, the flip down faux drawer was a bit messed up, and that was it! I'll look it over again as we are supposed to pick it up Saturday! :/
Are these solar panels factory-installed, or have you set up on the roof yourself, and if so, what is the cost of it and what gives us, probably 1300W, thanks, Marco
The unit came with 190W of solar preinstalled, and then we added 1200W of solar ourselves. The panels themselves I believe we got for around $80/panel, so right around $1000 for that, then wiring and connections is conservatively around $150, our charge controller was overkill at $750 but you can do it for much less and those connect to a separate battery and inverter which likely doesn't matter. I'd say just the panels and wiring we're at under $2k there, and you could probably do it again for $1500 or so, especially depending on the deals you can get! Larger panels also may be found for a better price, so 250W instead of the 100W panels that we added.
@@CozyLivingMachine Thank you for the answer, I am thinking about buying an entegra odyssey 31F and setting up a solar as you do, but I see that buying an RV is a great risk, I cordially greet you
@@maromcmilan1507 I completely understand! We were so excited for our motorhome but after these issues and a good amount of others, we just cannot recommend it any longer. 😔Thank you for watching and we're always happy to answer any questions!!
Our 26M can be worked on in an Entegra and a Jayco dealer. We’ve had issues but you have more than your ration.
Absolutely, they should be serviceable at either, other than in Texas by law. It wasn't a great experience of ownership at all, sadly!
Did you guys ever look at the class A Entegra Visions? Wonder if those are built the same....hard to find the Lazy Daze or Bigfoots here in Canada
They're built the same. We almost bought one until we realized that fact. Lots of cheap, thin materials and an undersized chassis.
I know I'm very late to the game here, but we are looking at a used 2021 29V and while doing research, found your videos. Did you ever get the leaks resolved? This one looks spotless but now we're concerned if we should even consider it ?
Unfortunately, no. We sold the RV after a year of owning it, and Jayco had no idea what the issue was. All of the seals were intact around the slide as well as the roof and it made even less sense that it was leaking when the slide was in, when it should be least likely to leak! There are many with the 29V model with the same issue, it's possible that someone else had figured it out by now if you check out forums or Facebook groups with owners that share information.
Damn this sucks and is scary! My wife and I very recently purchased an entegra odyssey 29v. Thankfully we don’t need to be concerned about the full body paint but it’s good to be aware of some of the issues that may arise! I do have a question if you don’t mind; we’ve only used the new rv once and it was at a site with no hookups. After the shower ran for about 30 seconds it stopped draining. I started doing some digging and found the air admittance valve under the fridge. I unscrewed it and the tub drained immediately. I took the simple valve apart and it’s working just fine so I’m stumped on what the problem is. I left the valve off so we can use the shower but something obviously isn’t right. Have you heard of this issue before? Sorry for the novel 😂. Love the videos by the way!
Oh yeah, I suspect your Odyssey won't have many of the issues here, and I suspect you'd know if you had the rear slide leak so good news there! I haven't heard of that at all, very interesting... I wonder if the valve is getting stuck closed? It may be something you could pick up from Camping World and pop another one in, just to check for the persistence of that issue. Thankfully, that's not something we've seen and Emma did a quick search on the Facebook 29V forum and didn't see any specific mentions of that either! Great troubleshooting skills you have though, wow! And thank you for watching!! 😊
Thanks for the quick response and thanks Emma! Neither of us have Facebook nor social media. I’m just gonna pick up new valves and hope that does the trick so we don’t have to deal with warranty/service 😂. I wish you guys the best with the new Rv and look forward to seeing it!
Of course! Please let us know if that works though, definitely a bit curious in case we run in to that ourselves! And thank you! Hopefully not too much longer! 🤞
Hi hope you resolved your problem by now ,I had the issue of gray and black labels turned around and with that ,I open and left gray water tank open so it can drain make a long story short it was the black tank draining and gray filling up I have the 31F odessy
Feel bad for you guys, but! I would never have taken delivery of a brand new RV that had been wrecked either from the factory or to the dealer.
AC unit near the slide leak? Maybe it’s running along above the ceiling and making it’s way over to the slide.
That’s not a bad idea, interesting thought and I’ve considered whether water is getting in front around the A/C because the A/C is never on while it’s raining. A few techs and I ruled that out and identified that it must be the slide that’s catching water and directing it inside specifically 🤔
Just wondering how did this drive and handle the roads- as I am considering the Esteem 29v or the Thor Quantum 31WS.
Interesting question. They drive absolutely terribly at this size. The class Cs under 27 feet seem to do alright from what we've heard, but even after three upgrades to the suspension, they still ride pretty poorly. You can get upgrades for the suspension, though I would expect to upgrade with about $5-10K, depending on whether you do the upgrades on your own or not.
When you spend your hard earned $$$$$$ on a rig you should not have this many issues. I bought a sprinter van which was the price of a house and could not even use it for 6 months because in had major issues and it was in the shop forever. It was so frustrating. I'm sorry you guys had to have this experience its no fun! I will never buy any rig built in 2019 2020 2021 0r 2022. Hope the quality control in all RV manufactures will be steppin up there game in 2023! Happy travels.
I completely agree. Things are always going to happen, of course, but at some point it becomes just a matter of the unit not being built solid in the first place! And I'm with you, hopefully the material quality improves, attention to detail improves (lower pressure on the employees to finish quicker) and the market finds themselves happier as a whole! 🤞🤞🤞
Too bad you had all these issues, new or used there are problems, at least you know these were manufacturers defects. The paint issue would have drove me up the wall so I am glad I have a white odyssey even though I dislike the common white RV. Where your crack is I think is completely a cosmetic piece because the Odysseys do not have it but the Esteems do, the same I am sure is for the Redhawk and Greyhawk Jaycos.
I’m glad I haven’t had the same issues as you guys have had with mine but one would think that the craftsmanship would be much better based on the increased sticker price. I followed you guy mostly for the solar you did but because you had a Entegra class C now that you won’t….. just kidding!
Good luck with your new gas Class A!
Agreed! At least we know where things stemmed from! And absolutely, we genuinely regret not getting an all-white motorhome at this point! I suspect it may be cosmetic as well, though any hole in our motorhome is an immediate red flag!! And as for the increase in price, that's what we figured as well. Doing it over again, the Odyssey trim would be the way we'd go. Maybe a 30Z just because it's so similar to ours! And I'm not going to lie, I would completely understand the unsubscribes, I'm emotionally prepared! 🤣 When we had our Airstream, we followed people just for that, then unsubbed and went over to Scamp-specific channels, then minivan channels... Ebbs and flows! 😂
Thanks for this video. I'm looking to retire in the next couple of years, and I've had my eye on this RV. I love the layout because you can use it with the slides in. I'm kinda disappointed. I don't want to spend all that money and them not stand by their product. Now I have to rethink things.
For your info Jayco owns Entegra motor homes and Jayco is owned by thor inc.
Yep!
wow! i want one when i retire. not anymore!
sad to see the esteem go. but you gotta look out for you. Jayco/Entegra wont. good decision on trading it in. sucks to hear it received so much damage prior to delivery.
As are we! And we'll have a video shortly on some of our plans for the new rig we have on order. We shot a video, took more than a day to edit, and then I realized nobody would watch it because it's so long and more of a comparison than anything! So we're shooting another video announcement today and hopefully will have that up tomorrow morning! Many more videos to come still. 😊
Well SH*T kinda had my mind made up on getting a 2024 Entegra 29V now I'm second guessing....is there any good manufacturer out there 😕 now I'm back to considering spending the extra money on a 2023 Fleetwood Bounder which is what I really wanted but questioning if their quality is any better 🤦♂
Especially the newest models, I would stay far away from them. They've taken away one of their biggest advantages - the easy 12V wiring and switches, replacing with a multiplex system. Knowing all of the wiring issues that we had, it's scary to think of what they might do wrong and the impacts that will have, on top of everything else. The Bounder was certainly better, but I would take a look at a gently used Lazy Daze or Bigfoot motorhome. The quality will surprise you when you step in and tap on things, look around and listen for the density of materials. Night and day difference, on top of saving a bundle by buying used.
@@CozyLivingMachine thanks for the reply! I actually started tapping on things inside motorhomes after watching one of your videos before hahaha you can definitely tell the quality difference!
The best advice here is "they are all manufactured equally poorly" consider that many brands are all in the same area of Indiana and use the same labor
which new motor home did you get?
This is our new motorhome here! 😊 th-cam.com/video/nSBdLhdwA_w/w-d-xo.html
So they offered warranty work, but no place to take it too.,????
Exactly. We had a list and it was all approved by the manufacturer, and no one do the work for us!
Regarding accident the dealer should have info on it.
Absolutely. We reached out, sounds like there's no record, but we know what we were told prior to delivery. I'm not saying it's gaslighting, but...
Both brands (Jayco and Entegra) should split their costs of a buyback. Seems this should be heard by their Governing Body. Could the paint issue become a class-action?
Pursuit 27 XPS no slides by Coachmen. Not ideal layout but workable.
I hadn’t seen that, but looks like a very rare floor plan without the slides!
Look up a video "jaycos lack of quality" and you'll see another overhead bunk falling off. He fixed it himself, thing had wood screws holding it on.
Whoa... That's identical to the issues we're having here, including that strip bumping out on ours as well! Jeez man, thanks for that tip. I'm even more angry now than I was before at the build of these, and it absolutely explains why we've been having troubles.
@@CozyLivingMachine Glad it was beneficial! For what its worth it looks like a pretty straight forward fix, just put bolts in place of the screws, then re-seal everything. Hardest part would be removing the interior/house panels for access.
Absolutely. It doesn't look too bad, definitely do-able, if we were to be keeping the rig. The fact that this has to be done in the first place is mind-boggling. Terrible construction, and Emma's and my anger is reinvigorated. 😂
@@CozyLivingMachine If you want a real laugh go look at some employee reviews of jayco, thor, etc on indeed and glassdoor lol
@@FrankBullitt390 Wow. That just made me very sad to read, actually. Reminds me of a few absolutely terrible places I've been in the past. What a shame. I had to stop after page 3.
How many miles are on the coach? Sorry about your issues
Right around 14,500! And no worries, it’s all part of the journey!
Wow!!! So many issues! I really liked the Motorhome until I heard about all these isdue issues 😢
The icing on the cake was finding out that the cabinetry isn't actual wood but instead a material that's significantly less durable! This is our video about that: th-cam.com/video/jIs33z_QYmA/w-d-xo.html It's a shame too, because this unit could be so fantastic!
Doesn't this fall under the lemon law where they buy it back?
Unfortunately, the lemon laws are strong with the chassis/motorized units, but not with the house/boxes in Washington and South Dakota! But we did look into that, good thinking!
I was seriously looking at purchasing the Esteem 29V but after watching this video I’m out! Thanks for sharing your horror story.
Best of luck on your search!
We were considering the Jayco Seneca, but when we went to see it in person, the paint job was horrible. You could feel the color changes. It's supposed to be perfectly smooth with no transition btwn colors. And the overall quality was about the same. Very disappointed.
I completely understand. To me, they have a lot of promise, but they're just missing the mark.
How much liability will you have in a private sale
That's an interesting question! Emma and I discussed that, and our dealer knows of what's going on and will perform all of the necessary repairs. This is important because we don't care to spend the time to wait for a repaint, body work, etc on this unit prior to selling. It also doesn't seem ethical to sell this unit without disclosing the issues to another potential buyer, particularly because the warranty is not valid for anyone other than us!
Wow I was seriously considering getting one of these, but now dang, maybe not. Thank you for sharing I will not be buying this rv!
I'm glad that just sharing the information can hopefully save folks from the same mistakes we've made! Best of luck in your search for the perfect rig for you!
WOW
I agree you pay too much money for your RV, to be having the problem you are having, it should under regulation by the government regulated like cars are. From what you are showing there is a issues with curing of the fiberglass Harding.
Agreed!! These have wheels, motors, etc just like cars, so why the heck not?! And that’s what I was thinking, especially with the mesh showing still. Frustrating to see on an otherwise beautiful motorhome!
I'd ask them if they are trying to defraud you what with them denying the accident being logged. Dodgy dodgy dodgy, and that tear along the cab could be dangerous. Once they get a lawyer's letter asking for compensation they will want to buy it back asap. Good luck. Get your lawyer to scare the crap out of them, then you'll see results. Stress, psychological distress, waste of your time, unfit for use. I'd be worried about fire with a water leak.
I'm glad someone understands our frustration! It's definitely been a concern about electrical issues as well, being that the electrical system is close enough to the leak, though thankfully the water tends to pool down, towards the front of the motorhome, but the issue stands!!
Never been a fan of slides. K own too many people who have had leaks.
Did u delete your video? It’s not streaming-??
Hi Donna! Nope, it's still up! 😊 If you're on a phone, if you can force-quit the app and reopen it to see if that doesn't help though. Strange issue!
Omg I want to watch it and I can’t- keeps saying no stream! What new RV you guys getting?
@@donnag7434 oh shoot. If you enter this directly in the web browser, does this help? th-cam.com/video/ojZofftQPtQ/w-d-xo.html
We haven’t yet shared the new rig we’ve chosen! It’s a surprise, and we’re working on two videos: one video announcement and one video where we walk through our options and what we were looking for in a new rig!
@@CozyLivingMachine thanks! Tried the link does same thing- logged in and out same issue- weird- just that video-
That makes me think the video is being censored... what in the world?!
Great video again... You two make a lovely couple... So there is a video on YT ... " 5 Awesome Class C RVs with No Slide Outs " ... by RV Blogger. Did you have any leaks from the roof ? I'm shocked that you would have so many problems on $ 100 K + RV's... Matt's RV reviews are highly skewed towards industry bias and are based on showroom floor walk through... Not real life use... So lesson learned... don't buy a Jayco or Entegra
Thank you!! 😊 And you know, I have to say that Jayco makes my favorite roof in the industry. I think that was the most impressive part of the factory tour that we'd done. The fiberglass is decent, wraps around and sealed well, and it's freaking solid! So thankfully no leaks at all, they did a good job there. That's why the slide leak and the rest have surprised us so much!!
You guys full time in this don't you? I was told Entegra voids the warranty if the RV is used for something other than recreational purposes.
Unfortunately, that seems to be the case. In this instance, they were kind enough to continue to cover us under warranty. I've seen folks that are not full-timing take longer trips than we've even had our unit, so I'm not so sure we should even consider ourselves "full time" in this unit yet!
@@CozyLivingMachine More people should be aware of this. I emailed Entegra and that is basically what they told me. That's why some brands specifically state full-time warranty. I've had many people in different groups say, "Just don't tell them or Lie." My thought is if you have a really major issue and warranty can be voided cause I live in it and am not going to lie, then I will go with a company who covers Full Time living. Good luck with your new unit.
@@barbaradowney7098 could not agree more!! There are thankfully a few good options out there also. Thank you! 😊
I find that the kind of money you spend on these rv’s you should expect better workmanship and then service. I as a lone female can’t do all this stuff this man has done. Jayco was my choice but now I need to rethink. Prices increase due to Covid issues and there seems to be no pride in workmanship. Very sad. These people have jumped through hoops to do whatever it takes to get their rig up to snuff.
but when you paying that price you shouldn't be dealing with that.
The production RV industry is just a mad cash grab and has been for years. Very sad to hear all this. Sorry you went thru this crap.
After a new travel trailer, a new 35' toy hauler and now with a 34' 5th wheel trailer we've had for 5 years .
And to many problems to list on all of them . If you didn't purchase from a really good dealer that has knowledgeable techs. Owning a RV can be your worst nightmare if you can't do a lot of your own repairs .
The RV industry needs a LEMON LAW.
Get a lawyer! It’s a lemon. Sorry you guys are dealing with this.
All RVS MANUFACTURES will not PAY a enough money to fix it . NOMORE.... You get it and you fixit or you sell it... the key word is YOU...
That’s terrible. No way am I buying any Entegra Class C. These are problems that need factory repair.
Way too far for you to go. I just can’t believe it.
Sometimes slide leaks is because the install on the racks is off by one or two teeth. That will need the factory to address. I’ve. Seen it before. Seal replacement does nothing if the slide is off by even one single tooth.
Paint problem will never go away. Electrical problems are very difficult to address anywhere other than factory.
I would never take delivery of an RV that was in an accident, never. The accident was a La Mesa accident. Now you know about La Mesa. the reason Jayco didn’t know it was in an accident was because it took place while La Mesa had it. They never reported it to Jayco.
Tip # 1 Never try to fix a RV yourself while under warranty, the manufacturer can deny any further coverage.
It very well might be just a tooth is off, we've noticed that as well. What a pain! Glad we're getting out of it!
You have gotten a lemon and I would never buy another Entegra.
I hate it, but I have to agree with you! 😔
Always get a certified rv inspection by a third party.
This is a perfect example of why!
Damn, this is a nightmare
What a nightmare omg! 😮
Absolutely, no joke!!
Time to sell, Duh............
Sketchy. I'll avoid this company.
Sorry to hear you got such a lemon.....Never ever and I mean never purchase a Jayco..... complete garbage.....such poor quality
So in other words...you guys fell for Matt's BS reviews. Sorry to hear it.
Seems like you should not have purchased it if it had been in an accident.
PLEASE talk slower !
Hahaha I'm sorry, this is just how I talk! I slow down a bit for the camera but I can't talk any slower or I'd never get through what I plan to say!
That's the problem with production RVs. For the cost of these new RVs you would think these companies would give a crapp about their customers and the manufacturers reputation. That's why I'm a proponent of well used commercial buses like Prevost, Newell, MCI and Vanhool Conversions that have far far superior quality and the conversion companies care about their products, reputations and most importantly their customers.
There’s absolutely no denying those are the way to go for anyone looking for something that’s made with genuinely quality components. I’ll have to make a video or two on some Prevosts or the like at some point. I do love a good bus tour!!
I'm a bit confused cuz the way you approach things you seen methodical and intelligent but one the worst things one can do buy a brand new depreciating asset that costs way more than the average vehicle. That initial 20% hit once you drive it off the lot is huge. The glitz and glam of a new unit is gone real quick. I would look into a 10-15 year old Prevost conversion bus they make a 40 foot unit as well as 45. The chassis and frame of the actual unit is stainless steel and welded together as one solid unit. It's a much better quality build and they have to meet commercial safety standards. There have been some that have rolled down hillsides and have been towed up and righted only to be driven off. If that happens in a production coach it's crushed like a flumsy cardboard box. I surely wouldn't want my family in that. It doesn't matter how good of a driver you are because there are a lot of idiot drivers out there that you have no control over. Can you put a price on safety. In my book new and flashy will never supercede safety. I'll take a used Prevost over any new production coach evey day of the week.
The problem is that it's a JAYCO.... watch there videos on how fast they build there travel trailers... there is no quality what-so-ever.... so that's why I call it JUNKO !