The Spirit and the Text: Assessing Biblical Inerrancy (Full Documentary)
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- In this documentary, some of the problems with the idea of biblical inerrancy are looked at from a variety of perspectives.
Interviews with:
Jeff HAuse, Robert Warren Hart, Brian Zahnd, Wm. Paul Young, Michael Camp, Heather Hamilton, Keith Giles, Amos Yong, Andrew Hronich, Zack Hunt, Derek Vreeland, Brad Jersak, Steve McVey, Jordan Daniel Wood, Kenneth Tanner, David Bentley Hart, Jesse Hake, Chris E.W. Green, Addison Hodges Hart
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"I think of it as a dance. And there are times when in the dance of inspiration the human author steps on the toes of God."
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@@Joeyk57030 I am an only child and your 'love' is absolutely nothing.
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This channel needs a million subscribers. Probably the best Christian channel on YT
Yes, but maybe without the "Christian" title in it.
@@jasonegeland1446 let me guess? American? Evangelical?
@@1991jj I'd reckon something like theological would do.
@@jasonegeland1446 so let's adopt your theology and reject the decades of theological study and experience in Christian life expressed through these individuals in the doco? Lol
@@1991jj I'm not sure what you're going with this. More specific, please.
David Bentley Hart is certainly answering the question like David Bentley Hart would 😂
Absolutely great work on this! Picked up a few new books from authors I haven’t heard of on here.
This was so helpful to me because I'm surrounded by fundamentalists, as was I at one time. I really enjoyed seeing my college friend, Jesse Hake, as well. It's always good to hear his thoughts.
Christ sucks through all his believers.
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Our faith must be founded on the person of Jesus Christ. There can be no other foundation on which it is built.
Jesus said the scriptures testify of Him. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. We can't be founded on Christ apart from scripture. Period.
@@trappedcat3615is he not the perfect revelation of who God is?. Yes the scriptures talk of him but they are not the perfect revelation of God, they are not "all the Godhead dwelling among man bodily". What I said was "our faith must be founded in the person of Jesus Christ alone" I did not say the scriptures are not important,scripture is useful in so far as it helps us get to Christ, he is the end goal of scripture, the bible in itself is not the goal.
When one says our faith is founded in the person of Christ alone one means Just that. We trust in God because of who God reveales himself to be in Christ. Therefore one doesn't need the bible to be wholly accurate on every detail, i need not frett if it turns out the world wasn't made in 6 litteral 24 hour days, or if there was no talking snake or if the sun didn't literaly pause in sky mid battle, or if somone made a mistake. Because faith is founded in the person of Christ revealed in the scriptures darkly as through a glass, then revealed in perfection in the Gospels. Not in the literal correctness of every word of the bible.
Perhaos i should have clarified what I meant, but i did rather assume people would just know based on the content of the documentary.
My respose got taken down, luckily i copied it just incase
is he not the perfect revelation of who God is?. Yes the scriptures talk of him but they are not the perfect revelation of God, they are not "all the Godhead dwelling among man bodily". What I said was "our faith must be founded in the person of Jesus Christ alone" I did not say the scriptures are not important,scripture is useful in so far as it helps us get to Christ, he is the end goal of scripture, the bible in itself is not the goal.
When one says our faith is founded in the person of Christ alone one means Just that. We trust in God because of who God reveales himself to be in Christ. Therefore one doesn't need the bible to be wholly accurate on every detail, i need not frett if it turns out the world wasn't made in 6 litteral 24 hour days, or if there was no talking snake or if the sun didn't literaly pause in sky mid battle, or if somone made a mistake. Because faith is founded in the person of Christ revealed in the scriptures darkly as through a glass, then revealed in perfection in the Gospels. Not in the literal correctness of every word of the bible.
@@webz3589 Just to be clear, we are not talking biblical interpretations, 6 day theory, etc. Rather, the video and what you argue is that truth concerning Jesus is not subject to the authority of scripture and that it is some other authority - a feeling, a sense of the spirit, a scholar, our own thoughts, something other than scripture. Call it what you will, if it is not scripture, your faith is based on some other authority. Jesus said His true disciples will continue in His word (not some inner witness) and that all (not some) of the law and prophets testify of Him. Paul stated all (not some) scripture is God breathed. You are not bowing to Christ if you are not bowing to the scriptures. God says in the Psalms he has magnified his word above all His name. Belittle scripture and you belittle Christ.
Absolutely wonderful collection. Very well done🙏🏼🙌🏽
More please ❤
Very interesting and informative. Just a shame it had to have music playing throughout. Obviously, humans have done conversations wrong and we can only listen to someone's view if accompanied by music.
I always enjoy the Hart brothers! I have heard of Stanley Hauerwas but never read him. I will look for the book by him that D.B.Hart recommends, and ask my library to get it for me. And thanks to "Love Unrelenting" for featuring authors I have never heard of. I look forward to discovering their worjk, and making me a better man.
I'm assuming the book is 'Unleashing the Scripture: Freeing the Bible from Captivity to America'
Windbags being the Christian god's favorite 'adopted children'.
According to the scriptures, we have to be like little children to enter the kingdom of heaven. How does that concept fit into all this. Folks love to debate, argue, and disagree for the purpose of ego boosting and feelings of superiority. No wonder the "world" runs the other way.
I love Paul Young's hypothetical question at 15:42
I keep asking my friends this and they keep giving this same hesitation; what is wrong with the church today?!
It is as ridiculous to say the Bible is the Word of God as it is to say a biography is actually the person being written about.
I just finished up Greg Boyd’s 2 volume book on the crucification of the warrior God. Check it out. Interesting insight and argument
@@CCiPencil I would have loved to talk to Boyd for this one. I tried multiple times but it never worked out...
@@LoveUnrelenting that would have been awesome! It’s a long book, I’m not sure if he brings up inerrancy specifically but his cruciform hermeneutic doesn’t seem to work in a fundamentalist understanding of inerrancy.
Where’s your confidence in God? The day Goliath met David, was a good day for Goliath. That was the day Goliath met God. Goliath would have had many opportunities to repent, but he didn’t take those opportunities. A condition can be reached in which the kindest thing we can do for a person is hand them over to God. God can do for them what we cannot. That’s a hard truth, but it is the truth. It is the best thing for the individual who is put to death, and the best thing for society.
I’m not saying you or I should take the law into our own hands. But I am saying that the government has the right, and the responsibility to protect its citizens from those who do take the law into their own hands. Don’t confuse weakness for compassion. Many Christians who care (which is a good thing) are weak (a bad thing). To be truly compassionate, you have to protect the vulnerable and weak in society from those who seek to destroy them. Think it through. Thousands of innocent people are being put to death every year. It’s called murder. No matter what the government does innocent people are going to die. The real issue is, “How do we reduce the number of innocent people being put to death?” When the Israelites ignored the laws of Moses that’s when they ended up in deep shit. I’m sure they ignored some of those laws because they were being “compassionate.” But because they ignored those laws they eventually reached new lows. Falling so low as to sacrifice their children to foreign gods.
If you understand just how deprived people can become, you will realise that sometimes handing them over to God is the compassionate thing to do. If you really think that a person or a people can never become so evil as to warrant being completely destroyed, read ‘The Third Choice’ by Mark Durie. That’s the wests future if we don’t start being more compassionate towards the victims of the deeply deprived and start handing the very wicked over to God.
What if…..this book we call the bible would have never been canonized or written I often think we would have been better off.
Not written. What Jesus did you believe on? What gospel were you baptized into?
Indeed for how wpuld we know of Christ if it where not for the scriptures which point to him. One still fails to see how not believing in the literality of every word of scripture means denying the gospel, seeing as i am saying the scriptures are indeed important as they point us to Christ, wheras tgis person is saying to dispense with it altogether, which isnt what i am saying in the slightest, neither is it a fair assesment of my words.
Literal inerrancy seems another one of those misguided beliefs in how God is glorified, a bit like how hellfire is necessary to elevate God's holiness. That said, this doco seems to be treating inerrancy doctrine as the underbelly of fundamentalism and really taking aim at the latter. Why not just come out and say so, need to fight pitched battles on this?
1:02:06 "You dont really need the Bible as a book that you carry around... I would that they had no access to scripture at all. It would be better for them. They'd make them better Christians." Why are you publishing such horrible guidance. God says, "Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly." This whole video is demonic.
Nah, you’re just determined to miss…every point being made.
@@MrLewishollow You are welcome to put forth a defense of the above quote. If you have none, then say so. It's an unconscionable position to wish others had no access to the scriptures.
@@trappedcat3615 all your responses are completely incurious. You’re approaching the video like a literalist does the text…no interest in the genre, history, scholarly debates, etc. For you it’s simply a flat reading of a flat text. So, giving you a defense of what Hart says there won’t help.
@@MrLewishollow I'm all ears. Don't focus on changing my mind. Your aim should be more about a desire for others to hear your perspective. I'm not hostile toward you speaking.
@@trappedcat3615 Hart: to handle the scriptures well, you need a culture that understands the proper way to read them, not in the childish, modern, literalist way of the fundamentalists. Not even Augustine's 'literal' readings were as flat, wooden, and misguided as modern versions.
And b/c they're so immature and disconnected from a healthy sacramental and communal life, their handling of the scriptures can actually be extremely dangerous to them and others. So it would be better if they only got their scriptural exposure from teachers in a wise and healthy community. (And I would add - this may be a temporary situation...perhaps when they are mature enough, they can handle studying it themselves. So again, he's NOT saying that they shouldn't get scriptural exposure, just that they should get it in a way that has historically shown to be beneficial for very immature people).
You: Hart demonically says it would be better if christians didn't have access to the scriptures!
You see what I mean? You can disagree, but at least get what is being said correct. Also, for someone who says they're not a Protestant, you sure sound like one.
So, who gets to decide what is and what is not truth in scripture? Which scholar's brain should we give more weight? This is a slippery slope to denying all of scripture and outright rejecting the gospel.
That would be called the slippery slope fallacy, and no one is denying that all of scripture teaches truth. It’s just saying to take it at face value can miss the lesson of the book or passage. Some passages reveal more about our nature then God’s nature but a literal reading would miss that.The Spirit ( not a book) leads us into all truth and Jesus is our Rabbi into the ancient texts. It would be very ignorant of a civilization 2,000 years from now thinking they could decipher an email made by me in a language they never studied while being told to take it at face value or literally. Imagine trying to decipher “Today I played some pickup with my boys and absolutely destroyed them, then we went out to eat” 🤣. Please listen to the video again, it is not intended to throw out scripture or offend anyone. Sincerely, if this offends you maybe it’s a you problem. It’s the Father, Son, Holy Spirit…not Holy Bible. If scripture disappeared today we still have all the witness to truth we need by the Holy Spirit, we should be incredibly grateful for scripture but not worship it as THE WITNESS (to answer another comment you made). But I’m not here to argue, just to clarify some things. To read the Bible literally also takes faith in man by a translator who did his own interpretation so not forget about that. God Bless and hope you have a good day 🙏
@@Joeyk57030 Wrong. Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God. God says in the Psalms He has magnified His word above all His name. Jesus said His true disciples will continue in His word. Whatever personal inner witness you have or rely on for truth has zero authority or relevance concerning the person of Christ and His gospel. God reveals His Son through the scriptures and the Holy Spirit does not work contrary to this in any sense.
It's not a slippery slope, it's how things have always worked and always will. Inerrantists are simply in denial about the fact that their personal interpretations and those of their chosen church or denomination are already making those calls (and generally confusing their interpretation for the inerrant word itself). And if the truth is so plain, obvious, and accessible for inerrantists, why are there tens of thousands of Protestant denoms that disagree on innumerable theological issues? Throw in the magisterium, creeds, councils, schisms, etc., and it's all messy and complex.
@@MrLewishollowif you can’t reconcile some passages, that doesn’t mean they can’t be reconciled and they are in contradiction to each other. As the research continues, every generation has a deeper understanding of the Word of God. What was a mystery before now is clear thanks to scholarly work. The same happens with archeology. Sceptics always would find something in the OT to pint to as a proof that the Bible isn’t true but then after centuries archeological research proves again and again that what the Bible says is historically accurate. If we don’t understand the Word of God it’s because we’re limited, not because the Word of God contains error. Honestly, shame on you and all who propagate this.
@@Alloyka107 Oh give me a break and keep your fundamentalist shame to yourself. You didn't even watch the documentary, did you? There are plenty of reasons to think the scriptures are neither inerrant nor univocal, and your living in denial about that + constructing an impenetrable belief system on top of it, while being your prerogative, doesn't make it compelling or true. And again, it also solves nothing...there are three major branches of christianity that disagree with each other, and thousands of denominations that do the same, none of which are moving closer to agreement on much of anything. And yeah, time may indeed illuminate some things...like, oh, that the world isn't actually 6,000 years old like the YECers insist you should believe because...the bible is the literal, inerrant, and infallible word of God.
Waching this video was almost like torture. This is absolutely foolishness
If two inerrantists disagree on something, which they do often and vigorously, and both argue the scriptures support their view, what is being 'solved' by inerrancy? It can't prove either one's interpretation is correct. It won't change either person's mind. And most often it simply creates a division (see: Protestantism and its thousands of denominations). You also have to live with cognitive dissonance of pretending the issues in the scriptures don't exist. That seems like foolishness to me.
This is progressive Nonsense
This is progressive Nonsense. Discrediting the Bible is a way to not have to do what it says
@@nann-xu9ik So you have no arguments, just allegiance to dogma. And it's not discrediting the bible, it's just saying it functions differently than you think it does. Lots of progressives follow and love Christ deeply, lots of fundamentalists who believe in inerrancy do what they want and lie to themselves that the bible says it's okay. Try again.
Not a big fan of the church fathers huh? Why not leave then 😂