@@nanajosh it wouldn't shock me if they were using mono audio, or even if they had the speakers on the wrong sides. Dan actually mentions that they don't have surround sound in there or headphones so that's actually a little crazy
It's amazing how Arin will get a hotdog, start going in the direction of his weiner, and then lose faith and go some random direction away from his wiener
it's not that he loses faith, it's that he is hyper focused on pickups and doesn't actually give a shit about what they do. Just getting them. So if he doesn't see any pickups in the direction he abandons it.
"This is fucking easy!" -Arin, forgetting that the goal of the game isn't to collect mushroom but to find your wiener, and that he barely has a clue about that.
they somehow thought this game was really easy despite not doing well in it, and then they thought Pizza Possum was difficult despite Arin refusing to use the powerups for awhile. It's a good thing GG stopped trying to make games because they don't know how to gauge difficulty at all in videogames
@@Penquinn14 I… don’t think it’s that deep bro (not to mention they work with a team when making games, it’s not *just* Arin going “that’s too easy” there are other people involved-)
I thought for a good minute that this was a troll game, and there was no weiner, so you just endlessly wander a repeating forest until you give up and quit.
@@TheKingsapostlewhen a male dog gets excited or aroused they’ll sometimes get a slight erection, calling it that feels weird though so people call it a “red rocket”
Watching with headphones. That directionality is for sure important. A few points, Arin was running in the opposite direction, but wouldn't know because of speaker audio.
he went in the right direction multiple times after picking up the wieners but then he would quickly start running in the opposite direction to pick up items.
The fact that Arin kept saying "i heard him to the left!" and then 3 seconds later start drifting in a random direction was infuriating lol. Like use the compass 😂
I swear, from the directions they kept going versus where the sound was coming from, I thought they were using headphones and just had them on backwards!
@@Penquinn14I'm on a tablet with stereo speakers and I heard clearly the direction every time. I think they have their speakers pointing at them which basically ruins any kind of stereo effect
Note: Do Not Put Computer Paper In Your Toilet. Even if it is all soft crumple, it does not dissolve properly. Pretty much a one-way ticket to a backed-up toilet.
@@freakazoid217 WTH? No. Computer paper has a coating the regular paper to prevent smudges from ink. Stop try to flood peoples toilets. A great boon for plumbing services. But no.
Well lookee here at Mr. Leigh Daniel "Dan, always has freshly baked toilet paper available to him" Avidan, never having to crumple up computer paper like us regular folk.
Man, Dan is such an awesome friend. Imagine being in a room with someone claiming to have made their own toilet paper by crumpling up computer paper and STILL voluntarily spending time with them. You know what else you can carry around with you in your bag for emergencies where the toilet paper has run out? Toilet paper.
Ok I'm 6 minutes into this and I'm already unreasonably angry at Arin picking up hotdogs and ignoring the direction 10 seconds later. Before anyone asks, I've put "Go Outside" in my google calendar.
As a western colloquialism, Zen is often understood as Arin portrayed: an attempt to bring the self and others into a harmonious, peaceful mindset. BUT, Zen as it's understood in the east would be seen as the peace found in Arin's natural chaos. No attempt to change the flow, just the beautiful do-happening.
This game had no effort put into it. Arin trying to rationalize during the latter half that "there must be some kind of strategy to this," only to be met with the yawning emptiness of this game's design, giving up and eating lunch was very relatable for some reason.
The guided meditation portion is so funny, I love how it's exactly what it would be like to ask a friend to make a guided meditation for you. The true goal is not zen but to make them laugh zensless.
"I was going in a straight line! It didn't tell me to turn!" - Arin, having just turned 90 degrees, after 14 minutes of making wide circles and somehow even managing to go from North to South without hitting a hotdog. With a compass in the corner. I love these grumpy boys but Arin's brain really does make games like this one much harder than it really is, which makes for the infuriatingly memorable videos we love so much.
*Bark clearly coming from the right (East) Arin: "It's dead ahead!" *Proceeds to turn left and head West and then starts wandering aimlessly in circles for the next 10 minutes.
Ai art is best with these small no budget indie games. The dev could of also used free vector graphics instead, really doesn't matter it has the same level of quality.
@@foxygrin How is using AI images in an indie game when it's a single developer who cannot afford to pay an artist regardless of whether AI images were available or not unethical? This is the best case scenario. People who can afford to pay artists have an obligation to do so, and given that AI art is far inferior to actual art, most people who can afford to pay an artist to make them the perfect image they ask for probably would. But, if it's a choice between no images or AI, because you can't afford to pay an artist either way, then that's what AI images are for... So I fail to see how it is unethical.
Hey Billy, what was your favorite Game Grumps episode? "I really liked the one where Arin was struggling to find his weiner [dog] for a LLOOOOONNNNNGGG time."
“Rabbits dont punch” no but they do box…which my girl rabbit does every time she wishes to express her annoyance with me. Its like hares boxing but on a smaller cuter scale.
He's got a more landmark or sequence of turns based navigational approach that works pretty well in horror game corridors but really sucks for dead reckoning in the forest. I would bet he didn't even notice he had a compass the whole time as the reason he didn't use it
"Maybe we need headphones." Dan voicing a thought I have every time anything in a game depends on directional sound. *dog barks clearly to the right* "Sounds straight ahead."
Arin ignoring the wiener dog just to rush around and collect power ups instead is classic Arin, especially when he picked up the squeaky toy and then proceeded to run in the opposite fucking direction of the barks, lmao
Despite the juvenile wording and goofy graphics, I recently took in a puppy that's a half chihuahua, half dachshund, so I enjoyed holding her while watching this in a weirdly healing way since this puppy is mending my grief over my previous dogs passing.
Just the amount they did read hurt me. Was that Harry Potter fan fiction where they go hang out with Tom Riddle projection from Chamber of Secrets while being mean to hagrid???
You 100% need headphones for this. I used a pretty powerful JBL speaker while watching, and every dog toy squeak sounded basically the same. I was beginning to think it was an April Fool's game.
the constant speed increases when it's already too fast combined with the random turning around completely and thus backtracking and going in circles instead of making progress is maddening
As a person who has had pet rabbits for over a decade, I can confirm that rabbits totally box with their front paws when they fight. It looks more like a slap fight, though 😂
I remember Neversoft. Their logo was an eyeball pierced by a stiletto knife. I think they made the game Forsaken--that zero-G arena battler for the N64
Rabbits totally punch. They repurpose their digging moves and attack with little "pap pap pap"s. It's completely ineffective but rabbits are kind of famous for being the most non-threatening animal in existence.
The capybara is the most non-threatening animal. It's so non threatening that predators who should eat it will instead just hang out cause... it's too chill and they don't know how to handle that.
20 mins in and im losing my mind how they get the hotdog, the sound indicates a direction, or if you’re closer or farther, and Arin makes the SMALLEST pivot to the side and just rampages on in the wrong direction 🤣🤣 Dan suggesting headphones and Arin saying no What else would we expect at this point 🤣 dans always right, Arin!! Also All the wiener jokes Props to the devs, cute and also funny
My *favourite* part was when Arins heard the bark to the left and said "it's left" but then every time he heard it to the right he said "straight ahead" ignoring Dan saying "Right".
Maybe in rock hard mode your dog never ran away and is currently sleeping on your bed, you are just wandering aimlessly searching for something that isn't there
Arin: “sounds dead-ahead, 100%”
Headphone viewer: “but it was not, in fact, dead-ahead”
I don't even have my headphones in and I can tell it's not the direction he's going lol
@@ramirezthesilvite Does make me wonder what mono speakers they have lol
@@nanajosh it wouldn't shock me if they were using mono audio, or even if they had the speakers on the wrong sides. Dan actually mentions that they don't have surround sound in there or headphones so that's actually a little crazy
How would you know if you were viewing headphones the whole time
*me with headphone*
“Four clicks, Nine O’clock”
Arin: "The dog is to the left!"
*turns 1 degree to the left*
*turns back to the right 5 seconds later to collect and eggplant
had me screaming
It's amazing how Arin will get a hotdog, start going in the direction of his weiner, and then lose faith and go some random direction away from his wiener
it's not that he loses faith, it's that he is hyper focused on pickups and doesn't actually give a shit about what they do. Just getting them. So if he doesn't see any pickups in the direction he abandons it.
@@Darthquackius ADHD at its finest guys. I am the same way with side quests. Distractions etc...
Moments after too lol
he doesn't even turn in the direction of the bark, he strafes that way and then continues in the same direction
Trying to fap when you have adhd
Find My Wiener is the 251st game the Grumps have beaten, having beaten both Hard and Soft modes (but not Rock Hard).
thank you insane Ian!
How do you know this??
@@Claego I count. And I have a list. 😅
i won’t stand for this until Arin actually beats pizza possum
Absolute legend
It's fascinating that Arin keeps complaining he's going too fast and yet continues to grab every mushroom he can find
You ARE fascinating, bro
classic grumps lol
@@miguelnewmexico8641they're confused but they've got the spirit
*It's fascinating, that Arin.
He’s a neural net processor, a learning computer
i love that they’re still referencing “the bananas has gone bad”
Waiting for the return of the carbuncle eating itself
I RAISED THEM WITH MY OWN TWO FEET!
I literally made a keychain with this quote yesterday. A classic.
Today is football
Arin trying to do a guided meditation while dan heckles him is what my two braincells sound like when I'm trying to focus.
dan's commitment to the typos in my immortal is so good
Hearing "Fgucking" pronounced out loud was a treat. 👌
Its really the only way to read it and get the full experience
Dan is such a good speaker. He rarely fumbles words, he is the best person to read my immortal
I couldn't get past the first page
@@GravyBaby420 he is an english major fr
"This is fucking easy!"
-Arin, forgetting that the goal of the game isn't to collect mushroom but to find your wiener, and that he barely has a clue about that.
they somehow thought this game was really easy despite not doing well in it, and then they thought Pizza Possum was difficult despite Arin refusing to use the powerups for awhile. It's a good thing GG stopped trying to make games because they don't know how to gauge difficulty at all in videogames
@@Penquinn14
I… don’t think it’s that deep bro (not to mention they work with a team when making games, it’s not *just* Arin going “that’s too easy” there are other people involved-)
I thought for a good minute that this was a troll game, and there was no weiner, so you just endlessly wander a repeating forest until you give up and quit.
That would be pretty hilarious. "I just can't find my weiner"
Watching someone like Arin play the game, I can see how you'd come to that conclusion.
All games Arin plays are troll games.
I was waiting for this to turn into some horror game
Dan INSTANTLY recognizing that it's a 'red rocket' feels like completing a character arc
on the one hand, come on man he's had many dogs as pets.
on the other, hell yeah dude.
@@Darthquackius weren't most of his dogs girls though?
What's a red rocket?
@@TheKingsapostlewhen a male dog gets excited or aroused they’ll sometimes get a slight erection, calling it that feels weird though so people call it a “red rocket”
you kids think you invented something
Watching with headphones. That directionality is for sure important.
A few points, Arin was running in the opposite direction, but wouldn't know because of speaker audio.
he went in the right direction multiple times after picking up the wieners but then he would quickly start running in the opposite direction to pick up items.
i'm watching without headphones and can still tell he's going the wrong way
I’m watching on my phone and could clearly tell the times he went the wrong way lol
It would clearly be to the left and her would slightly turn left and I’m like NOOO just turn a little bit MOOORE
you don't need headphones to tell lol
"path of most resistence," Arin Hanson lol
I love watching Arin hone in on the Dog's direction, identify exactly where he needs to go, then do a 180 and go in circles.
The fact that Arin kept saying "i heard him to the left!" and then 3 seconds later start drifting in a random direction was infuriating lol. Like use the compass 😂
Or like when he was playing rock hard and went north for 5 minutes only to then start going dead south.
I don't know what speaker setup they have, but wearing headphones and hearing exactly how wrong they are with each hotdog is pretty funny.
I swear, from the directions they kept going versus where the sound was coming from, I thought they were using headphones and just had them on backwards!
Dan mentioned in this video they don't have headphones or surround sound set up, so yeah they didn't have much to go off of
@@Penquinn14I'm on a tablet with stereo speakers and I heard clearly the direction every time. I think they have their speakers pointing at them which basically ruins any kind of stereo effect
The soft rain and music mixed with arins attempts at meditation was actually really chill especially with the Dan shenanigans in between lol.
Shedanigans
@20:20 I raised rabbits. They do indeed punch. And they bark while they do it.
Dan interrupting Arin’s zen meditation is exactly how my brain behaves whenever I have tried to have a guided meditation
That meditation bit had my head hurting from laughing. Just followed Arin’s directions to close my eyes 42 times😂
Each time close them a bit harder
My eyes are closed as fuck bro
Me too. I was driving so I got in an accident, but whatever
i was actually tearing up from how hard that bit got me 😭 made this video so much funnier
@@houdini9739 thanks for liking my comment
Note: Do Not Put Computer Paper In Your Toilet. Even if it is all soft crumple, it does not dissolve properly. Pretty much a one-way ticket to a backed-up toilet.
Note: If you hate your job and coworkers you should put computer paper in the toilet. Just make sure you don't get caught.
Just let it sit for a bit and it will break up
@@freakazoid217 Eww! You let it stew for 2-3 days? Because that's how long it takes for computer paper to break down in water.
@@undeadgentalmen I let it stew for like 1-2 hours. That's how long it takes to soften enough
@@freakazoid217 WTH? No.
Computer paper has a coating the regular paper to prevent smudges from ink. Stop try to flood peoples toilets. A great boon for plumbing services. But no.
“I should slow down” steamrolled 8 speed, boost mushrooms
Well lookee here at Mr. Leigh Daniel "Dan, always has freshly baked toilet paper available to him" Avidan, never having to crumple up computer paper like us regular folk.
... baked?
Right? He will never understand the struggle of us "peasants" as he so readily calls us
Man, Dan is such an awesome friend. Imagine being in a room with someone claiming to have made their own toilet paper by crumpling up computer paper and STILL voluntarily spending time with them.
You know what else you can carry around with you in your bag for emergencies where the toilet paper has run out? Toilet paper.
The confidence in which Arin asserts that rabbits do not punch when they very much do is just weirdly endearing to me.
Oh man oh jeez they're lookin' for me
I felt like I was at Mario's intervention!
"STOP EATING THE MUSHROOMS!"
he is byesaysual.
Happy pride month to him
Ok I'm 6 minutes into this and I'm already unreasonably angry at Arin picking up hotdogs and ignoring the direction 10 seconds later. Before anyone asks, I've put "Go Outside" in my google calendar.
add touch grass too :3
@@lunathegay I have to take it one step at a time 😞
Usually when I find myself getting the least bit remotely emotionally invested in a grumps video, it's definitely time to touch grass
you and me both brother.
Also him complaining the speed is getting to be too much then hitting 20 more like a mushroom addict.
And ignoring the poos that point in the direction of the dog. And spinning around whenever he picks up a squeaky toy
As a western colloquialism, Zen is often understood as Arin portrayed: an attempt to bring the self and others into a harmonious, peaceful mindset. BUT, Zen as it's understood in the east would be seen as the peace found in Arin's natural chaos. No attempt to change the flow, just the beautiful do-happening.
Immediately ignores poo which POINTS to dog
He didn't see it because it wasn't glowing
Yeah the sniffing noise happens when he was close to the poop.
To be fair, even I didn't know there was poo until this comment.
@@cozmicdoodles7167 it was on the list of items at the beginning that they read aloud
@@jazamaniplocastion ya know what fair, It seems I was not paying attention either lol
This game had no effort put into it. Arin trying to rationalize during the latter half that "there must be some kind of strategy to this," only to be met with the yawning emptiness of this game's design, giving up and eating lunch was very relatable for some reason.
That’s what I’m thinking! The game seems to be built solely on pre-made assets and any “art” that’s showed is blatant AI, like look at that hotdog…
The extra hard mode felt like "i photoshopped Waldo out" trolling
it's an incredibly lazy excuse for a 'game'. Not sure how/why Arin keeps finding and playing them.
Not the AI generated icons in the game
Firmly convinced Arin doesn't know how a compass works.
The Wiener: Barks waaaaay to the right
Arin: Oh, alright it's to the right.
Proceeds to walk slightly to the left
The guided meditation portion is so funny, I love how it's exactly what it would be like to ask a friend to make a guided meditation for you. The true goal is not zen but to make them laugh zensless.
"I was going in a straight line! It didn't tell me to turn!" - Arin, having just turned 90 degrees, after 14 minutes of making wide circles and somehow even managing to go from North to South without hitting a hotdog. With a compass in the corner.
I love these grumpy boys but Arin's brain really does make games like this one much harder than it really is, which makes for the infuriatingly memorable videos we love so much.
arin: I'm just going to go in a line.
proceeds walk in circles the whole game.
Please God, please help Big Cat find his Big Dog...
His weiner..
RED ROCKET RED ROCKET!!!
His… big red dog?
You know…when you see the words “find my wiener” you have to click
Honestly 😂
I am going way too fast, Let me gets 5 more mushrooms!
"god this is WAY too quick!"
but also
>points at self
*Y O U R E TOO S L O W*
This game feels like it was made entirely with A.I
A large part of the assets is yes. So I wouldn't be surprised if the entire thing was just AI genned scripts.
*Bark clearly coming from the right (East)
Arin: "It's dead ahead!" *Proceeds to turn left and head West and then starts wandering aimlessly in circles for the next 10 minutes.
This is like the ads where they play the games bad so you want to download them to try
Anyone else noticing that the game uses ai art for all the 2d pics, like the items? You can clear,y tell with the mustard on the hotdog squeaky toy
Yeah I'm surprised this isn't being talked about, it's so obvious
Ai art is best with these small no budget indie games. The dev could of also used free vector graphics instead, really doesn't matter it has the same level of quality.
AI art as it stand right now is in no way ethical, indie game or not.
yeah I immediately noticed the weird glossy texture on the start screen, with the blobby flowers and the shiny dog
@@foxygrin How is using AI images in an indie game when it's a single developer who cannot afford to pay an artist regardless of whether AI images were available or not unethical? This is the best case scenario. People who can afford to pay artists have an obligation to do so, and given that AI art is far inferior to actual art, most people who can afford to pay an artist to make them the perfect image they ask for probably would. But, if it's a choice between no images or AI, because you can't afford to pay an artist either way, then that's what AI images are for... So I fail to see how it is unethical.
Meanwhile folks at home with headphones are FURIOUSLY pounding the desk
Hey Billy, what was your favorite Game Grumps episode?
"I really liked the one where Arin was struggling to find his weiner [dog] for a LLOOOOONNNNNGGG time."
Dang and Barn have made another classic
Pretty impressive they were able to guess the direction 60% of the time only using TV audio
And go the complete opposite direction every single time!
the guided meditation at the end of this was fucking hysterical
“Rabbits dont punch” no but they do box…which my girl rabbit does every time she wishes to express her annoyance with me. Its like hares boxing but on a smaller cuter scale.
Arin: I'm about to find this dog!
*checks timeline*
still 10 minutes before he finds the dog
"I'm going way too fast!"
he says as he continuously picks up more speed power ups
Wow, took until this game to realize Arin has NO sense of direction. I'm enraptured just watching the compass as he runs around
He's got a more landmark or sequence of turns based navigational approach that works pretty well in horror game corridors but really sucks for dead reckoning in the forest. I would bet he didn't even notice he had a compass the whole time as the reason he didn't use it
"Maybe we need headphones." Dan voicing a thought I have every time anything in a game depends on directional sound.
*dog barks clearly to the right* "Sounds straight ahead."
Poor Dan 😂.
"Dad, I'm hungry! Can we please leave?!"
"Hold on son, I'm catching up with old Jimbo here! Haven't seen him in years."
I have headphones. You definitely need them to play this game. Arin is only turning slightly in the direction the barks are coming from.
Arin: *puts the game on hard*
Also Arin: WHY IS THIS GAME SO HARD
Arin truly is his own worst enemy.
Arin ignoring the wiener dog just to rush around and collect power ups instead is classic Arin, especially when he picked up the squeaky toy and then proceeded to run in the opposite fucking direction of the barks, lmao
Finally, a game for the whole family!
“FLARDA” I’m not sure I’ve ever heard Dan say Florida and it’s so Jersey and adorable.
At least he doesn't say Nevada as Nevada
or spell eye in any particular way that isnt the normal and accepted version
..... Arin says "oh no thats way to fast" and IMMEDIATELY GOES AFTER MORE MUSHROOMS
Despite the juvenile wording and goofy graphics, I recently took in a puppy that's a half chihuahua, half dachshund, so I enjoyed holding her while watching this in a weirdly healing way since this puppy is mending my grief over my previous dogs passing.
All the "art" in this game is obviously AI generated 😔 it is truly a sad era for video games
Normies may be firm
*But Arin's Hard*
Man, this guided meditation video was weird. 😅
"I don't know, it didn't tell me to turn!" He says as he veers immediately to the West after hearing the dog to the North
Rabbits might not punch, but hares definitely do. They have intense little boxing matches.
Dan interrupting Arins Guide meditation is the funniest thing!
Arin moving toward the bark for exactly two seconds before turning the wrong way and going off on an adventure. . . Every time.
Dan in his sly jersey accent:
Forest (fahr rest)
Florida (Fhlaaradah)
Also love when Arin says both (buuthè)
WERE THEY READING MY IMMORTAL AT THE BEGINNING 💀
Become a patreon for the whole thing
@@Jason0binladenI’m hooked that’s amazing
I KNOW I lost my shiz when I saw
NOT MY IMMORTAL-
Just the amount they did read hurt me.
Was that Harry Potter fan fiction where they go hang out with Tom Riddle projection from Chamber of Secrets while being mean to hagrid???
You 100% need headphones for this. I used a pretty powerful JBL speaker while watching, and every dog toy squeak sounded basically the same. I was beginning to think it was an April Fool's game.
Loved this guest grumps with Dan from NSP, and a wonderful guided meditation made it ao much better
I didn't think when I got out of bed this morning that I'd be spending 10 minutes yelling "GO NORTH!" at my laptop but here we are
Today is Wiener!!!
“That sounds dead ahead!” Turns a full 180
Hearing the dog bark from North and watch Arin slowly keep turning to south was quite interesting.
the constant speed increases when it's already too fast combined with the random turning around completely and thus backtracking and going in circles instead of making progress is maddening
"I think the antagonist IS the distance"
Oh a new Bethesda jam.
As a person who has had pet rabbits for over a decade, I can confirm that rabbits totally box with their front paws when they fight. It looks more like a slap fight, though 😂
Can’t wait for the rock hard madness.
The guided meditation music at the end was great editors
I remember Neversoft. Their logo was an eyeball pierced by a stiletto knife. I think they made the game Forsaken--that zero-G arena battler for the N64
the california surfer "pitted so pitted" from dan gives me all of the nostalgia. thank you dan.
>Hears the bark to the right side,
>turns a little bit to the west,
>runs while constantly turning left so they running South.
Arin: Oh! I think I heard a little sniff!
Me who has allergies and sniffled SECONDS before he said that:
Immediately Arin fucks up his opening joke, this is gonna be a good one
I hate that I’m gonna have to add this to my sleep playlist.
Rabbits totally punch. They repurpose their digging moves and attack with little "pap pap pap"s. It's completely ineffective but rabbits are kind of famous for being the most non-threatening animal in existence.
sounds like you haven't ever held a big rabbit who would prefer not to be held-- they will lacerate you like crazy with their back-leg kicks!
The capybara is the most non-threatening animal. It's so non threatening that predators who should eat it will instead just hang out cause... it's too chill and they don't know how to handle that.
I don't know, man. I own a dwarf species of rabbit and he is a certified menace to society.
Barely 3 minutes in, the amount of innuendos and straight-up wiener jokes I can’t-
20 mins in and im losing my mind how they get the hotdog, the sound indicates a direction, or if you’re closer or farther, and Arin makes the SMALLEST pivot to the side and just rampages on in the wrong direction 🤣🤣
Dan suggesting headphones and Arin saying no
What else would we expect at this point 🤣 dans always right, Arin!!
Also
All the wiener jokes
Props to the devs, cute and also funny
"I'm always hard. I'm never soft."
Aw, Arin. Priapism is nothing to be ashamed of.
But you should definitely get that checked, my dude.
My *favourite* part was when Arins heard the bark to the left and said "it's left" but then every time he heard it to the right he said "straight ahead" ignoring Dan saying "Right".
don't you mean, "AsK mE aBoUt mY WeiNer?"
the zen part needs an animatsegment, hahahahahahaha
*bark to the left* OH DEAD AHEAD
*bark dead ahead* OH THAT WAS TO THE RIGHT
*bark to the right* OH THAT WAS LEFT
Arin pls
Arin's MeditatZen Experience timestamped for your convenience - 28:21
14:22
Arin: "We got this!"
AVGN: "WE GOT THIS BY THE ASS!"
Maybe in rock hard mode your dog never ran away and is currently sleeping on your bed, you are just wandering aimlessly searching for something that isn't there