@@ramigilneas9274 Joseph smith never performed any miracle or prophecy. And literally copied the Quran. And the Book of Mormon has been proven false so many times. It had to changed so many times. Unlike the Quran which is the true word of god. There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his final messenger.
@@Maslor_Mujaahid Well, Jews and Christians will say that there is no difference between Joseph Smith and Muhammad or the book of Mormon and the Quran.😂
If you read the Holy Quran you will know more about Jesus(peace be upon him).Holy Quran is very much interesting as there is a special character on Mary .
God doesn’t make one a muslin or Christian. It’s a choice that one makes. As a loving Father He keeps wooing us to Him. His grace and mercy beckons us to follow Him
Quran chapter 5-75 🌟The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded. 5-77 🌟Say, "O People of the Scripture, do not exceed limits in your religion beyond the truth and do not follow the inclinations of a people who had gone astray before and misled many and have strayed from the soundness of the way."
Abraham Ibrahim one simple question will solve the truth. Why was Jesus born of a virgin with no earthly father? Simple answer because only a Holy God can atone for humankind sins hence He had to be born from above not of the earth
Yes, you are right. The truth shall prevail and that is the Lord Jesus Christ. He is the (only) way, the (only) truth, and the (only) life (John 14:6). He is God.
Tfw people just ignore the fact that the video exists to prove people, like the one above this reply, that they were wrong, in nearly every way possible, and yet they still stick to the proven wrong...
@@TussalDragon344 So, if I am wrong about the Lord Jesus Christ as The Way, The Truth and The Life, then show me from your Qur'an where the power of your god Allah revealed in the works of your prophet Muhammad. Nothing. Muhammad never healed any sickness or diseases in his time, nor did he make one blind man see. If he was sent from the true God, shouldn't God gave his followers signs to prove that he's a messenger from God, as did Paul, Peter, James and some of the rest of the Apostles of Christ?
@@paeng46 The Quran is considered as one of Prophet Mohammad's (P&BBUH) many miracles anyway. Though, Isa (PBUH) got his "powers" from PERMISSION FROM GOD, and not out of thin air. And just because he "never healed any sickness or diseases in his time, nor did he make one blind man see" doesn't mean he isn't a Prophet + you can't categorize God under these circumstances/ "signs"; Satan can also do these things too (I think, due to Jinn and Human connection or through Unholy Magic). Also, Paul, Peter and James, of whom we do not know there full origins and details, are considered those who've not only misunderstood Isa (PBUH), but also have single-handedly misguided 2.2 billion people today under a False Peace and under False claims/ interpretations/ narratives.
@@TussalDragon344 The Qur'an is not a miracle. The Qur'an was made up from the pigment of Muhammad's imagination. And the Qur'an itself is the one that proved his falsehood. If Jesus did miracles by the permission of God as you said, then that means Jesus is God. As only God alone can do the THINGS that he has the power to do so. Yes, Satan can do miracles too. The Bible calls this deception. Miracles that were done in the name of God are those that demonstrate the power of God by the word that came from God, and that made people believe the message that God wanted for them to hear-- and that is the miracles Jesus did in his time. The apostles Peter, Peter and James and the rest of God's apostles never misguided people. They led believers to Jesus Christ by their preaching. Only Muslims perhaps believe that they are misguided by the teaching of these apostles "for the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness"(I Corinthians 1:18). Muhammad is the one that deceived you and the billions of Muslims around the world-- for example by making you believe in the sexually perverted imaginary heaven of Allah from the wild imagination of Muhammad. The heaven that you are dreaming to go to is nothing but corruption and perversion of the human morality and sanctity.
Lance Gin Allah is the creator of everything in the universe and beyond. He created little Jesus in his mother’s womb just like he created ungrateful you . He can create anyone without male sperm . He created Adam without father and mother. .
Lance Gin trinity is a Bulshit invented by drunk idolator polytheistic pagan Greek several hundred years after Jesus departure. And believed by many ignorant like you
How come 1+1+1+1+1++1=still 1❎ Jesus is God +Jesus is died = who is God? Sir Douglas fail to respond most of the questions by Muslim, May Allah bless and increase long life of brother Shabir Ali. And bring those Christian from dark to light, ameen
@@choward5430 .... 😂😂😂where did you studied maths...your school may have forgetten to tell when we are use additional symbol...Jesus was lived in the earth at the period of 2000 yes back,at the same time,yehowa was there ( Jesus prayed him),and holy ghost also...then there are three persons....in this situation we said that they are three and not one...... Why are u multiplying 1*1*1=1 ...what is the meaning to this...
@@choward5430 .....you are also misunderstood about light.... Light is the clarification towards truth...yes of course Jesus was light for isreal at when he was teached about truth and one god and gospel...so this is the meaning of light.... Jesus was not glowing....😂😂😂
@@choward5430 .... I have a doubt in your Christianity bro...pls clear that... No Christian could have answered that,they are ignored that question or not responded.. Before the Jesus, there are billions of people were lived in the earth and died...my question is " will all that people goes to the heaven? Are you a true christian or have you a true knowledge about Christianity ,clarify my question without contradiction...
@@choward5430 Nice comment wish you read it n think over it... According to Christian believe 👇👇 😇1, Who is God? Jesus. 2, Is Jesus the son of Mary? Yes. 3, Who created Mary? God. 4, Who is God? Jesus. 5, Jesus is the begotten son? Yes 6, Who is his father? God. 7, Who is God? Jesus. 8, Jesus is a servant of God? Yes 9, Who is God? Jesus. 10, Jesus died on the cross. Yes 11, Who resurrected him? God. 12, Who is God? Jesus. 13, Jesus is a messenger. Yes. 14, Who sent him? God. 15, Who is God? Jesus. 16, Did Jesus worship while on earth? Yes. 17, Whom did he worship? God. 18, Who is God? Jesus. 19, Did God have a beginning? No. 20, Then who was born on 25/DEC?Jesus according to Christian believe 21, Is Jesus God?.......................................... 22, Where is God? in heaven, 23, How many are there in heaven? Only one God. 24, Where is Jesus? He is seated on the right hand of his father. 25, Then how many are they in heaven? Only one God. 26, Then how many seats? One 27, Where's Jesus? Seated next to God. 28, Then how are they seated? Its only understood by those with the holy spirit. th-cam.com/video/ZBWuKeWTG94/w-d-xo.html So beautiful to be a Muslim. Alhamdulillah for the gift of Islam. Regards Mr Muslim 1+1+1=1❎👎 1+1+1+=3💯✅👌
A very civil, engaging, and educational debate; which is a great credit to both sides, for the respect they showed each other throughout the discussion. Solid arguments are put forward by both parties in a firm but polite way. A highly recommended video - thanks for uploading.
Mark 14:60 So the high priest stood up before them and questioned Jesus, “Have You no answer? What are these men testifying against You?” . Again the high priest questioned Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?” 62“I am,” said Jesus, “and you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming with the clouds of heaven.”…
Abu Muhammad Musa : You can sense Douglas Jacoby is an intelligent guy who perhaps deserved his Doctorate degree, but when it comes to the doctrine of the Trinity he sounds like a 5th grade student.
Jesus acknowledges that he has a God. Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” [John 20:17] Some Trinitarians might attempt to explain such statements away by saying that it was only the human side of Jesus being subservient to God, not his divine side. The problem is that later in the Bible, after Jesus has ascended and cast aside all human limitations, he is still saying “my God”: I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. [Revelation 3:11-12] So their explanation of the human side of Jesus doing the talking would falls apart when he is still using the same language of subservience as he did whilst he was here on earth. Moreover Jesus surrenders his kingdom to God: Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all. [1 Corinthians 15:24-28] If Jesus is fully God, and an equal member of the Trinity, then why does Jesus give back his kingdom to God the Father when our world comes to an end? In addition, why is Jesus made subject to God after he has surrendered his kingdom over? Clearly, God is forever supreme over all, including Jesus.
Moiz Ahmed Khan even though Jesus is divine He subjects Himself To the authority of the Father. He is the eternal word of God who took on flesh to atone for our sins, so we can be reconciled back to His Father
Seek the truth and the truth will set u free But that's what you are saying not Jesus. How can Jesus be God in any way if he has a God of himself and dependent on him? We all know that God is independent.
Moiz Ahmed Khan it’s not what I say that matters, what matters is what God has said : Jesus is the eternal word of God who is our atoning sacrifice so we get His righteousness to stand before a Holy God.
Moiz Ahmed Khan Jesus in the flesh is about 2000 years back but He was eternally existing with the Father. Something before my birth, I was in my father’s loins and so was my father before his birth back to Adam. Ours is a physical world while the heavenly is a spiritual world. Hence Jesus is divine yet He lets the Father get all the glory
Douglas Jacoby at 15:39 made a claim that Jesus accepted worship as God in the Bible. He quote a passage like the following in order to show that people worshipped Jesus as God and he accepted it (or at least, didn’t reject it): But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him, [Mark 5:6] The Greek word used in this verse for worship is ‘proskyneō’. Strong’s Bible Dictionary says that this word literally means: “to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence” This same word is used to describe acts of reverence to people other than Jesus. Here a servant falls to his knees and “worships” (‘proskyneō’) his master: “At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’” [Matthew 18:26] This is part of a parable Jesus gave of a slave who was unable to repay a substantial sum of money to his master. He was merely expressing the kind of reverence and respect due the king, his master and superior. Another example is that Jacob bowed down seven times upon meeting his brother, Esau [Genesis 33:3], or when Joseph’s brothers prostrated themselves, or did obeisance, before him in honour of his position at the Egyptian court [Genesis 42:6]. Clearly, then, acts such as prostrating and kneeling (which are translated as “worship”) are not reserved exclusively for the type of adoration due to God. It can also refer to the respect and honour shown to another person. Finally, there is a Greek word which does refer to the worship of God, ‘latreuó’. Here is an example of its usage in the New Testament: ‘But I will punish the nation they serve as slaves’, God said, ‘and afterward they will come out of that country and worship [latreuó] me in this place’. [Acts 7:7] This word is never once used in the New Testament in relation to Jesus, it’s only ever used to describe the devotion given to God. If Jesus were God then one would expect this word to be used in reference to him, but it never is, it’s reserved exclusively for God. There is a perfectly logical explanation as to why this is: the authors of the New Testament did not use this word in relation to Jesus because none of them believed that he is equal to God!
John10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? End of debate!
I really liked this debate, very respectful and respectable individuals, we may have differences, but the approach that leads to discussion is very admirable from both doctors
Alhamdulillah. Dr. Shibir Ally talked very wisely and logically with evidences. What I liked more about this debate is the manner both of these debaters came up with. I found Mr. Jecoby is an excellent person. I respect and appreciate his attitude. I make duwa and Pray for him so that May Allah lights his heart with the light of guidance. Ameen. Yes, we shouldnt be ingorant. We should be loving toward eachother and talk with respect and reason with wisdim and logics. Let not force ourselves to believe in anything that never makes sense. Say, "He is Allah, [who is] One, Allah, the Eternal Refuge. He neither begets nor is born, Nor is there to Him any equivalent." Al Quran 112 :1-4
I really wonder when Christian Theologians will understand Islam's position on Gospel!! It's been 1400+ years. C'mon! Atleast be genuine in your approach!
And in the Gospel According to John, 17:3, Jesus declares that the ONE HE PRAYED TO IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD. 3 And this is life eternal, that THEY MIGHT KNOW THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST, WHOM THOU HAST SENT. (John 17:3) “‘YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND HIM ONLY YOU SHALL SERVE.’” (Luke 4:8) BUT IN VAIN THEY DO WORSHIP ME, teaching for doctrines the COMMANDMENTS OF MEN. (Matthew15:9)(KJV) See also Mark 7:7
Talk to christians find out what ... it reminded me of a colleague of mine she said her mother would cry and tell her just believe in the trinity and get salvation please and she would say no it makes no sense she isn't muslim but she said all my life I felt cheated I couldn't fathom christianity at all and the funny part is the mom would just beg her in tears please accept Christ as your saviour
I think we should all preach the righteousness,the most greates ness of our religion...as many people are still confused and still believing to apostates...and unfortunately most of the muslims also get lost and certeinly looses there faith so we should all do something and encourage all to seek refugee in Allah from saitan and to remove there confusion by contacting islamic websites..and we should dawah as much as we can even with small knowledge..atleast it will restore peoples faith..and Jazak Allah khair for videos.. truth shall really prevail And we should all keep in mind one thing we should never urgue with non muslims if they keep urguing as One Needs Allahs Mercy And Blessings to be in His religion...may Allah guide us all,And keep our iman steadfast Ameen 😀😀
Christians like to vary the contents of the bible according to the desires of their followers. That was the way they gain followers all over the world... They do not fear sin, just believe in Jesus, then they're guaranteed heaven and eternal life. Sins? No worries as they shall be paid to the churches for forgiveness and repent. Such a lawlessness peoples.
Douglas Jacoby at 19:48 misquoted the following verse of the Qur'an and claimed that it tells Christians to obey their Gospel: "He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel." [Qur'an 3:3] This verse talks about Torah and the Gospel being revealed to the people of the book but where does it say to the Christians to obey the Gospel? According to the Qur'an the Bible is corrupted: "So woe to those who write the scripture with their own hands, then say, This is from Allah, in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn." [Qur'an 2:79]
Notice that shabir switches the debate topic as to whether jesus is the son of God "in the ontological sense". That means shabir knows that jesus is "the son of God" in other senses that cannot be disputed. So shabir conceded the debate, that jesus is a "son of God". Bravo.
Douglas Jacoby said at 19:56 that the Muslims holds the belief that the core message of the Gospel is corrupted but I want an evidence in summary. There are numerous verses of the Qur’an that speak of the corruption of the scriptures of the Jews and Christians, here is one example: So woe to those who write the “scripture” with their own hands, then say, “This is from Allah,” in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn. [2:79] Ibn Abbas, a companion who learnt the Qur’an directly from the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ, explained this verse as follows: (Therefore woe) severe punishment, and it is said this means: a valley in Hell (be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands) change the description and traits of Muhammad ﷺ in the Book (and then say, “This is) in the Book that has come (from Allah”, that they may purchase) through changing and altering it (a small gain therewith) a small gain in terms of means of subsistence and surplus of property. (Woe unto them) theirs is a severe punishment (for what their hands have written) have altered (and woe unto them) and theirs is a severe punishment (for what they earn thereby) of unlawful earnings and bribes. -Ibn Abbas, Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn Abbâs, Commentary on Surah 2:79 Here Ibn Abbas is saying that the traits and descriptions of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ were changed in the Book. In the following narration, Ibn Abbas is even more explicit about the corruption of the Jewish and Christian scriptures: Ibn Abbas said, “How can you ask the people of the Scriptures about their Books while you have Allah’s Book (the Qur’an) which is the most recent of the Books revealed by Allah, and you read it in its pure undistorted form?” [Sahih Bukhari, Hadith 7363] This is a position that is supported by the Biblical textual criticism of mainstream Jewish and Christian scholarship. The Qur’an provides a metric, a measure, by which we can determine the origins of a scripture: Then do they not reflect upon the Qur’an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction [4:82] Here the Qur’an tells us that if it contained internal inconsistency, then it cannot be from Allah. The point is that contradiction is a product of human infallibility, and obviously not what we would expect of the All-Wise and All-Knowing Creator. The Bible is not only internally contradictory, but it also contradicts the Qur’an on fundamental issues of Islamic creed. By this Qur’anic standard then, the Bible has, at least for those parts that are contradictory, been tampered with by man. In summary, to claim that Islam endorses the Bible of today as a 100% divinely revealed text is completely incorrect.
Why does the video cut out the question of the guy questioning Dr. Jacoby at time 1:47:14????? Sounded like a debate ending question. Smh really disappointing.
Douglas didn’t answer any questions with answers like all the other Christian scholars. Instead he telling stories from here and there and from his mind.
John 14:9 "Jesus answered: 'Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
Coz any logical person knows no one can see The God. Since Jesus was a prophet and messenger of God like Moses, Abraham, anyone who wishes to understand God should understand the message of messengers, Only illogical person will hold on to ambiguous or metaphor verses and ignore the clear verses.
The question that Dr. Shabir Ally presents at around the 45 minute mark is answered by noting the fallacy from the jump to conclusion by stating when Jesus said "no one is good but God alone" is implies that he distances himself from being God. In the gospels, Jesus is shown to understand the hearts of people and is doing so again in this passage. He is targeting the implications of the question the man asked; "goodness does not flow from a man's deeds, but rather from God Himself." Be careful when you look to define where someone is losing a debate based on their outward reaction towards something. In regards to the trinity, the reason why so many people have trouble understanding it (Christians included) is because we dont have much to relate it and therefore explain it with, but just because we don't have analogous teaching methods about something doesn't make it not true.
Loooooolllll 46:00 shabir told him the Bible is changed and suddenly the pastor is stunned and starts to ask himself do we have time for these questions 😂😂😂😂😂I cnt breath wasnt he the one asking shabir at first 😂😂😂😂!!!
C Howard Lol - you silly Christians have been desperately trying to find a ‘comma johanneum’ in our Quran for 1400 years without success - achieving nothing but fatigue.
As a Christian, who actually is open to finding truth, I find Douglas Jacoby's abilities lacking a bit, but does as best he can. 58:00, Jacoby basically uses an infantile defense equivalent to "YOU DO TOO!" The concept of the Trinity is conceptually difficult to convey to most people, and he should have worked out an explanation BY NOW. Not say, "I don't it's so confusing." 59:37
It's also strange to me to even debate, instead of comparing notes on worship. Does anyone in the audience (or on stage) actually think they may convert another into their belief?
1:12:50, "they all abandon they're knowledge...even as human beings." God is GOD. Reasoning out what God is capable of IS blasphemous. God created this entire existence and dimension. God wished to experience life as a human, he sent a representative that would live as a human, so God would experience the hardship personally through Jesus. In the Koran (sp?), Harut and Marut are challenged by God, and tells them basically, "you think it's so easy? Go do it and show me." (this is obviously paraphrased)...and they fail. Jesus may be the summation of this occurence and finally doing what he pointed Harut and Marut to try (and ultimately failed). As a Dad, if my son asked me to show him how to do something with grace and control, I would show him. It's not any different...it just took a while. Also, if I'm programming for a game, and there's a bug in the game, I go play that level to see what the bug is that the player experiences. I would think God has WAAAAY more effective ways of doing this...HOWEVER God wants to do it.
One thing Dr Douglas got wrong on here was the Bible IS CHANGED. A perfect example is John 3:16 which used to say "God so loved the world that He gave His only BEGOTTEN SON........." But n updated Biblical scripts, due to Christians truly learning what BEGOTTEN means, they have CHANGED IT TO "God so loved the world that He gave His only BELOVED SON........" So this shows one of the MANY CHANGES WITHIN THE BIBLE over time.
Shred: if such change is true, then its the change in the translations and not in the original. Similar changes in translations happens in the Quran also.
@@a27826 I agree there r different TRANSLATIONS. But the translations of the Qur'an r all SYNONYMOUS WITH EACH OTHER. The word BEGOTTEN and BELOVED do not have synonymous definitions. This shows Christians have discovered what BEGOTTEN truly means and REPLACED it with BELOVED, which also proves John 3:16 is NOT the true word of God
@City Of Charles Dirt authors of the revised standard version bible comprising of 50 emminent scholars has declared that the word BEGOTTEN in john 3:16 IS A FABRICATION and it is not part of the bible meaning of begotten: (especially of a man) bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction. evidence; John 3:16 Revised Standard Version (RSV)
How can Mohamed tell us about Jesus if he came after 635 years, and people are depending on this information to be true. He does not even know what his own Allah will do with him or even with his followers. Surah 46:9
Biologically or Analogically is up to Christians to first decide who Jesus truly was, and who God really is. Fact is, the word "Son of God" means different things to differents Christians. After failing to defind their terms, there is no need bringing the Quran into the picture. Is the Bible not clear enough about the meaning of the word "Son of God"?
C Howard: You are qouting John and you are saying Jesus said, almost all Christian Scholars discredited the Gospel of John as non-historical. Try again..
@@choward5430 Muhammad is the final messenger, he was not the first messenger..lol.. God is unlike anything we seen on naked eyes.. Jesus is just a messenger to his people at his period of time.. Roman Empire made appeared Jesus as part of their trinitrian doctrine... flavian.. Go and ask the Jews regarding their concept of God , its opposite compared to christianity.. God in flesh is a Pagan concept of God..The reason Roman Empire hijacked jesus name into their trinitrian doctrine is to convert people into their religion.. they gave automatically citizenship for those who converted to this religion..ciao
Revelation! Evidence,ingredient,faith of perspective,community of faith,grounded,by faith,Deity(to whom you believe) and (in what you believe)thinking,heart,lives,work ,sing preach! -what to learn what you believed -the instrument of faith -declaration of faith -it is the power of God
Notice shabir says jesus never said "i am the son of God ETERNALLY". Shabir has to add "eternally" because he knows that jesus did indeed say "i am the son of God". Shabir is committing the fallacy of moving the goal posts.
Jesus is obviously the ONLY Way, the truth and the life. No on can know God except by Him. Most people are ever learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth. Jesus is the everlasting Father and The Mighty God. isaiah 9:6. Forgive them for they know not what they say. Jesus minister to this man and that they may believe u called people who are on their way to Damascus. I love and believe in u Jesus. Amen
Shabir admits that jesus could be "son of God by adoption". Therefore shabir concedes the debate, because the debate is whether jesus is "son of God", not whether he became the son of God through adoption or by any other means. Is jesus "the son of God"? YES. Debate over!
Douglas Jacoby at 16:33 made a claim that Jesus has the authority to forgive sins, so he must be God and use the following incident to try and prove that: “Why does this fellow talk like that? He’s blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?” [Mark 2:7] It is true that Jesus seems to have the authority to forgive sins in this instance. However, this does not make him divine, as Jesus told the Disciples they can also forgive sins: If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.” [John 20:23] So in the Bible it seems that God grants the authority to forgive sins as He pleases. If Trinitarians want to insist that this authority makes Jesus God, then the implication is that so too are the Disciples because they all had the authority to forgive sins.
C Howard Now what you are trying to do is that you are misinterpreting a clear verse so it can fit your theology. Jesus didn't said that you can declare the certainty of sinner's forgiveness by the Father instead he said that if you forgive someone's sins than they will be forgiven but if you won't forgive them than they wouldn't be forgiven, are you telling me that the sinner won't be forgiven until disciples declare the sinner's forgiveness by the Father? How much sense does it make to you? Even if I accept this than why the same thing can't be said for Jesus? What if Jesus was also declaring sinner's forgiveness by the Father and wasn't actually forgiving that sinner? Why the double standards? Also it won't going to change the fact that Jesus was "given" authority and he did not "own it". And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All authority is given unto me in heaven and in earth. [Matthew 28:18] Some translations render the above passage as “power” instead of “authority”, which is incorrect according to the original Greek. It matters because there is an important difference between the two. We learn an important thing from this passage about Jesus in relation to God - Jesus was given authority by God. Authority comes only from a higher source, it must be delegated. Authority cannot exist unless there is a higher source in which it can be based. Power, on the other hand, is altogether different. Only God has all power, He doesn’t need authority. A “power” holds control by virtue of its own strength. Unlike Jesus, there is no one above God to delegate authority down to Him. That is why Paul also said that God is above Jesus in hierarchy. But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. [1 Corinthians 11:3] This statement was uttered after Jesus had ascended and cast aside his human limitations. If the Trinity is true, then surely Paul (the author of the above statement) would have uttered something along the lines of “man is the head of a woman, and God and Christ are the head of man” which would imply a horizontal relationship between the persons in the Trinity. Clearly, God is above Jesus in this hierarchy, implying no co-equality between them, and thus there is no Trinity. That will also explain why Jesus in the Bible acknowledges that he has a God. Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” [John 20:17] You may attempt to explain such statements away by saying that it was only the human side of Jesus being subservient to God, not his divine side. The problem is that later in the Bible, after Jesus has ascended and cast aside all human limitations, he is still saying “my God”: I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. [Revelation 3:11-12] So your explanation of the human side of Jesus doing the talking would falls apart when he is still using the same language of subservience as he did whilst he was here on earth. Moreover Jesus surrenders his kingdom to God: Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all. [1 Corinthians 15:24-28] If Jesus is fully God, and an equal member of the Trinity, then why does Jesus give back his kingdom to God the Father when our world comes to an end? In addition, why is Jesus made subject to God after he has surrendered his kingdom over? Clearly, God is forever supreme over all, including Jesus.
Moiz Ahmed Khan by forgiveness he meant that Jesus is the atoning sacrifice for our sins. That means he takes away our sins and in its place gives us His righteousness, so we can live in the presence of a Holy God for Eternity. It not the same as we forgive one another. It’s the atonement. A glimpse of why Abraham was asked to sacrifice his son, but didn’t have to, because God provided a lamb, a prophecy of how Jesus would be the sacrifice
One simple question to islam scholars and followers! By converting church"origin" to mosque,do you thing it is not consider corrupted origin or wrongdoers? Surely it consider corrupted "origin" and not permissible by God!!!
What I find is this is a heathier debate you can find, no matter you are a Christian or a Muslim, we have a different option and answer? Muslims can't reject refer those of the book, way before Islam came to be. NO matter how much you take in, education and studies apply too all read all books, than the one.
Respectfully: Shabir stated that in the book of Mark, Jesus only appears as slightly greater than a man. Is someone who can command the sea and wind to calm down and have them obey him someone who is only slightly greater than a man? The disciples asked, “Who is this that even the seas and winds obey him?” Also, is someone who can forgive sins only slightly greater than a man?
Omerعمر Tتكين Thank you so much for replying to my comment. Here is something to consider. Understanding the relationship between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is incredibly complex (I don’t claim to completely understand it).The reality of the situation is that it shouldn’t be surprising that we little people with little brains (in comparison to God) would have trouble trying to understand God. Imagine an ant trying to understand a human. But, that complexity should not make us ignore the Word of God that is revealed to us. I think you would agree with that. In other words, just because we don’t understand everything God understands , should not make us ignore or pick and choose what He tells us. If we use this approach and look at all the scriptures and the evidence, these all point to Jesus being the divine Son of God. Continued in next comment...
Omerعمر Tتكين So if we our aside our possible objections about the “trinity”, then I believe we will be able to see the scriptures more clearly. Right now, since Shabir has stated that Mark doesn’t show that Jesus is the Son of God, I am reading through the book of Mark with this in mind. Now, as far as prophets being able to do miracles as well, there is a major difference between the prophets doing this and Jesus commanding the waves and seas to stop and the waves and seas obeying Him. Do you know the difference I am referring to? It is that Jesus Himself commands the seas and wind led to obey Him, and they obey Him. The prophets didn’t do such things. They implored God to do the commanding! See the difference! Continued..
Omerعمر Tتكين For instance, Elijah “made it” not rain for a period of time and then “made it” rain again. How did he do this? He asked God and God commanded it. And all of the other prophets had God do the commanding while they requested or initiated God”s commanding. This was not the case with Jesus in the book of Mark regarding many things, including stilling the sea and wind. He directly commanded them and they obeyed him. Here is what I studied this morning on this topic: Mark - Jesus the Son of God - Part 6 “They came to the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gerasenes. When He got out of the boat, immediately a man from the tombs with an unclean spirit met Him, and he had his dwelling among the tombs. And no one was able to bind him anymore, even with a chain; because he had often been bound with shackles and chains, and the chains had been torn apart by him and the shackles broken in pieces, and no one was strong enough to subdue him. Constantly, night and day, he was screaming among the tombs and in the mountains, and gashing himself with stones.” Mark 5:1-5 NASB bible.com/100/mrk.5.1-5.nasb “Seeing Jesus from a distance, he ran up and bowed down before Him; and shouting with a loud voice, he said, "What business do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I implore You by God, do not torment me!" For He had been saying to him, "Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!" And He was asking him, "What is your name?" And he said to Him, "My name is Legion; for we are many." And he began to implore Him earnestly not to send them out of the country. Now there was a large herd of swine feeding nearby on the mountain. The demons implored Him, saying, "Send us into the swine so that we may enter them." Jesus gave them permission. And coming out, the unclean spirits entered the swine; and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea, about two thousand of them; and they were drowned in the sea. Their herdsmen ran away and reported it in the city and in the country. And the people came to see what it was that had happened. They came to Jesus and observed the man who had been demon-possessed sitting down, clothed and in his right mind, the very man who had had the "legion"; and they became frightened. Those who had seen it described to them how it had happened to the demon-possessed man, and all about the swine. And they began to implore Him to leave their region. As He was getting into the boat, the man who had been demon-possessed was imploring Him that he might accompany Him. And He did not let him, but He said to him, "Go home to your people and report to them what great things the Lord has done for you, and how He had mercy on you." And he went away and began to proclaim in Decapolis what great things Jesus had done for him; and everyone was amazed.” Mark 5:6-20 NASB bible.com/100/mrk.5.6-20.nasb • The more I read through the book of Mark with the lens of trying to determine if the book of Mark claims that Jesus was the Son of God, the more and more it seems as though that is exactly what Mark was claiming but he did so with evidence rather than just coming out and saying it (for the most part). This seems like a strategy and a certain genre of story telling instead of it meaning that Mark was not claiming Jesus was the Son of God. The last chapter ends with: “They became very much afraid and said to one another, "Who then is this, that even the wind and the sea obey Him?"”, Mark 4:41 NASB, bible.com/100/mrk.4.41.nasb In fact, the question, “Who is this that even the [blank] obey(s) him” seems like the theme question of the entire book of Mark. • In this chapter, Jesus commands demons to come out of a man and these demons ask Jesus’ permission to go into the swine. While doing this, they refer to Jesus as the Son of the Most High. So we can ask, who is this, that even the demons obey Him? Critics have argued that the testimony of demons can’t be trusted but in context, Mark simply records the interaction and conversations that occurred between Jesus and these demons. It is very clear that these demons had to obey Jesus so why would they try to lie to Jesus by calling Jesus, “The Son of the Most High God”. That would not have helped their request: “The demons implored Him, saying, "Send us into the swine so that we may enter them." Jesus gave them permission.” And again, “Who is this, that even the demons submit to him? • We have to determine why Mark included that the demons claimed that Jesus was the Son of the Most High. Was it because he was trying to show demons were deceitful? In context, and while looking at the entire book of Mark, does this really seem like this is what Mark was getting at? It looks to me that he was showing that Jesus had permission even over the demons and that they knew he was the Son of the Most High because they already knew who he was or because in the spiritual realm the fact that Jesus is the Son of God was clear!
Might Allahh (God) guide all of my Christians brothers and sisters in humanity because blasphemy is NOT something small rather it’s is the biggest sin or swear against Allahh (God) 😢may Allahh guide them we can not force them 😢
- Muslims believe Jesus PREACHED the Gospel - Christians believe Jesus PARTICIPATED in the Gospel - Muslims believe the Gospel were a set of teachings which were TAUGHT by Jesus - Christians believe the Gospel is a story, a narrative - things that HAPPENED to Jesus - Muslims believe that GOD revealed the gospel to Jesus during his ministry and Jesus taught it during his ministry - Christians believe that JESUS revealed the gospel to Paul AFTER his ministry and Paul taught it (Galatians 1:11-12) The New Testament today contains elements of both the Muslim view of the gospel (sayings and teachings of Jesus) and the Christian view of the gospel (sayings and teachings of Paul which nullify and contradict practically everything Jesus said and taught)
God is beyond humanity. We can’t limit God to our human mind . Simple concept : H2O can be liquid, solid & gas . ( This is just water we are talking abt ) How much more God ?? To each their own faith .
There are many verses in the New Testament supporting the messengership / prophethood of Jesus(Peace be upon him). The following are only a few: In Matthew 21:11, the people of his time are recorded as referring to Jesus (Peace be upon him) as a prophet: “And the crowds said, ‘THIS IS THE PROPHET JESUS of Nazareth of Galilee.’ ” (Matt 21:11) In Mark, 6:4, it is stated that Jesus(Peace be upon him) referred to himself as a prophet: “And Jesus said to them, ‘A PROPHET IS NOT WITHOUT HONOUR, except in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.’ ” In the following verses, Jesus(Peace be upon him) is referred to as having been sent as a messenger is sent. In Matthew 10:40, Jesus was purported to have said: “He that receiveth YOU receiveth ME, and he that receiveth ME receiveth HIM THAT SENT ME.” (Matt10:40) "Nevertheless I (Jesus) must walk to day, and tomorrow, and the [day] following: for it cannot be that a PROPHET PERISH OUT OF JERUSALEM." (Luke 13:33) "And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A PROPHET IS NOT WITHOUT HONOUR, save in his own country, and in his own house." Matthew 13:57 also in Mark 6:4, Luke 4:24, John 4:43 Jesus refers to himself as a Prophet, Others also called Jesus a Prophet but Never called his disciples "A group of Prophets" Jesus was called a Prophet by others: "And when he would have put him to death, he feared the multitude, because THEY COUNTED HIM AS A PROPHET." Matt 14:5 "And the multitude said, This is Jesus THE PROPHET OF NAZARETH of Galilee." Matthew 21:11 "But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because THEY TOOK HIM FOR A PROPHET." Matt 21:46
Ehsan Ramjan not blaming Jews but Most jews were not willing to accept Jesus as the messiah because they thought the messiah would free them from the Romans, but Jesus had a higher agenda of freeing the soul from the bondage of sin.
Ehsan Ramjan the people in the Bible didn’t recognize Jesus as the messiah and hence thought of him as a great prophet or Rabbi. Few were given the real revelation like the Samaritan woMan, the disciples At Tabor and few others
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 O seeker of truth, if you really seek the truth put aside all preconceived notions, and open your heart….do not let others judge or make a decision for you. And do not follow (blindly) any information of which you have no (direct) knowledge.(Using your faculties of perception and conception, you must verify it for yourself. (In the Court of your Lord,) you will be held accountable for your hearing, sight, and the faculty of reasoning. " (Quran17:36) Pray to Allah by whatever name you know Him. Pray to your Creator, the Creator of the universe and everything in-between with sincerity ask Him to guide you in your heart and in your mind to the religion of Truth and to make you pleased with it and you will find if you are sincere He will answer your Prayer and you will find the religion of truth enters your heart.
Ehsan Ramjan my dear... thanks for ur sincere advice to me on seeking The truth. I studied various faiths , religions belief systems and found d the Truth in Jesus Christ. Yes you are right, Jesus is not only a prophet. He is the prophet because He not only authorized prophecies, He brought them to pass As well.. besides being a prophet, His main purpose was to take on flesh and atone for the sins of mankind so we get to live in the presence of. Holy God for Eternity. Just as in the physical world we existed in the loins of our father and manifested only at conception, likewise in the spiritual realm realm, Jesus is the Eternal Word who was with the Father but took on flesh.. Even The Quran says. Jesus being a prophet, word of Allah and spirit of Allah.
Christian scholars and pastor will never admit truth that son of Mary Jesus was a prophet by clear verses of earlier bible. They will stick to latest bible bible poltergeist Greek for their profitable business . Christian should read their bible horizontally and compare same stories in mark , Mathew, Luke and John. They will find how Jesus gradually became god in latest bible according to John. They should read Quran side by side with bible. They should listen to Dr Bart Earman on TH-cam
Can i have a link to the scholar? Theres some serious thing i need to ask. İt will be really greatful to have some answers i really need it to keep me stronger
Doug argue that jesus was God despite his limitation because God spiirit *in* jesus is never limited and allways almighty.... that does not work because jesus and spirit are always separate entities and neither it makes jesus unique.... everyone then has the same situation that God spirit works *in* them...
11.25 "Jesus was Jewish" the insanity of Christians...one minute he is the son of God..which means his ancestors aren't human Or he is born of a virgin...again no father to trace back to any tribe. Yet they want David's seed n Israel's line SMH. BUT HOW?
This very simple question needs a simple answer point no.1 jesus christ is born by the holy spirt or muslim brothers may call whatever. poimt no. 2 . jesus christ cannot be compared to any other prophets.
Could it be John was writing to a different audience? By that I mean if it was written 30 years after mark this is an entire new generation of Christians who maybe didn't have an understanding of Jesus being the son of God so John put more emphasis on that part? For example I'm telling a story about the battle of the bulge 10 years after it happened I would not have to go to indepth on who the Nazis were compared to me telling the same exact story 30 years after it happened to people who didn't grow up when the Nazis existed.
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. anyone with a brain understands these words one god the only god and jesus whom he has sent it cant be anymore clear
Well done Douglas. Jesus asked His father anything He wanted and would get it because they are one. If I have money in the bank, I can get it if I want to because the money in the bank is mine and my money in the bank becomes the Father of all the money that I may withdraw from the bank into my physical pocket: whatever Jesus told us was the son of the total/father information of God in Heaven. It is the word that forms the Father and Son, and this word is a mighty Spirit that can bring anything it wishes into life. The word spoken by Jesus is the Son because it is totally correct and straight from the very throne of God: It was not given to the angels to give to Him neither was it the knowledge of the angels, He got it straight from the throne by Himself because He ownes it. But just like my money in the bank, there may be rules or days certain transaction cannot be done because there are certain rules separating me from my money even though the money belongs to me, but I may decide to withdraw all the money at a date suitable for doing so. Jesus is not Son by flesh, He is Son by Word: a fraction of the revelation of the whole God: He is a direct part of God. John 1 vs 1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Douglas Jacoby at 15:43 use the following verse to support the notion of Jesus being God: Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” [John 20:28] The Greek language uses the word ‘theos’ (“God” or “god”) with a broader meaning than is customary today. In the Greek language and in the culture of the day, “God” was a descriptive title applied to a range of authorities, including the Roman governor (Acts 12:22), and even the Devil (2 Corinthians 4:4). It was used of someone with divine authority. It was not limited to its absolute sense as a personal name for the supreme Deity as we use it today. Remember that it was common at that time to call God’s representatives “God,” and the Old Testament contains quite a few examples. When Jacob wrestled with “God,” it is clear that he was actually wrestling with an angel (Hosea 12:4). Now if the Disciples really believed that Jesus was “God” in the sense that Trinitarians claim, then they would not have “deserted him and fled” when he was arrested. The confession of the two Disciples walking along the road to Emmaus demonstrated the thoughts of Jesus’ followers at the time. Speaking to the resurrected Christ, whom they mistook as just a traveller, they talked about Jesus. They said Jesus “was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God…and they crucified him; but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel” (Luke 24:19-21). The Bible is clear that these Disciples thought Jesus was a “prophet.” There is no evidence from the Gospel accounts that Jesus’ Disciples believed him to be God, and Thomas, upon seeing the resurrected Christ, was not birthing a new theology in a moment of surprise. Moreover the context of the verse shows that its subject is the fact that Jesus was alive. Only three verses earlier, Thomas had ignored the eyewitness testimony of the other Disciples when they told him they had seen Jesus. The resurrection of Jesus was such a disputed doctrine that Thomas did not believe it (the other Disciples had not either), and thus Jesus’ death would have caused Thomas to doubt that Jesus was who he said he was - the human Messiah. If Thomas really did believe that Jesus is God, then he would not have doubted (or shown surpirse) that Jesus was alive because such a thing would be a given - God cannot die.
how many titles to " harmonize" and fix the altered text of the bible A man, a teacher, son of man, Prophet, lord, Son of God, messiah, God agent to creation, one of the person of the trinity, A God of the very God, Yahweh, .. and they pick and chose, he did not know the hour, because that was the man side, he was called Lord vaguely because he can not revealed he is god because he is afraid of his creature beating him, he has to reveal himself gradually etc etc. Wake up!!!
One of the best scholars on Islam and Christianity.....May Allah bless him for his amazing work
I bear Witness there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his final messenger and Jesus son of mery is one of God's Messenger.
Allah never did any miracle nor he will do any miracles
@James Levara bro, that's your genetic problem. Keep it up.
Abu M I R The Ethiopian
Joseph Smith is the last messenger of God.
@@ramigilneas9274 Joseph smith never performed any miracle or prophecy. And literally copied the Quran. And the Book of Mormon has been proven false so many times. It had to changed so many times. Unlike the Quran which is the true word of god. There is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his final messenger.
@@Maslor_Mujaahid
Well, Jews and Christians will say that there is no difference between Joseph Smith and Muhammad or the book of Mormon and the Quran.😂
I love how respectful both debaters are to each other and everyone else!
Same
Amazing debate by Dr Shabbir Ali.
I agree any comments we share here should be respectful and relevant to the content these two gentleman shared.
I respect everyone s sentiment
If you read the Holy Quran you will know more about Jesus(peace be upon him).Holy Quran is very much interesting as there is a special character on Mary .
anjuman786ara Anjuman Ara I have read it.
Jesus is a prophet called “Nabi Isa” and he will comes back here, to refute any believes that he is a GOD...
@@anjumanara3493 islam shows us the straight path. not some confusing 3 in 1, 1 as 3 etc
Dr Shabbir Ali is awesome!!
النَّفْسُ الْمُطْمَئِنَّةُ Alhamdulillah I love listening to his debates he’s better than Zakir Naik when it comes to debating
@@azimashraf7086 every one is good in their own way, no need of comparison!
Azim Ashraf i agree. He is humble and doesn’t try to humiliate people who want to learn unlike some
Azim Ashraf “he’s better than zakir naik” 🤦♂️ ur funny kid.
@@Islam-fl4pm zakir naik is good too in his own way. May Allah protect and preserve him and his family! Ameen
I thank God for making me a Muslim
Lance Gin
Stop eating so much pig - the effects are starting to show
God doesn’t make one a muslin or Christian. It’s a choice that one makes. As a loving Father He keeps wooing us to Him. His grace and mercy beckons us to follow Him
@Lance Gin if u eat pig *U* become pig!
Mashallah
@Lance Gin Where did Bible/Quran said about this?
Thanks for posting this entire video.
He was a Musician ... what is he now
Best debate of brother Shabir Ally ma sha Allah
I subscribed to you channel. I am a Christian and your channel seems like a fantastic resource!
Quran chapter 5-75
🌟The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded.
5-77
🌟Say, "O People of the Scripture, do not exceed limits in your religion beyond the truth and do not follow the inclinations of a people who had gone astray before and misled many and have strayed from the soundness of the way."
@@ibraheemabraham8897 Yea, I have listened to the entire Quran as an audio book.
Abraham Ibrahim true believers do not follow the inclinations of people and get deceived. Watch very/Beth Yeshua
Abraham Ibrahim one simple question will solve the truth. Why was Jesus born of a virgin with no earthly father? Simple answer because only a Holy God can atone for humankind sins hence He had to be born from above not of the earth
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 that is one of the miracles: Allah wanted to do something than he did it.
may Allah bless truth shall prevail for uploading this video
Yes, you are right. The truth shall prevail and that is the Lord Jesus Christ. He is the (only) way, the (only) truth, and the (only) life (John 14:6). He is God.
Tfw people just ignore the fact that the video exists to prove people, like the one above this reply, that they were wrong, in nearly every way possible, and yet they still stick to the proven wrong...
@@TussalDragon344
So, if I am wrong about the Lord Jesus Christ as The Way, The Truth and The Life, then show me from your Qur'an where the power of your god Allah revealed in the works of your prophet Muhammad. Nothing. Muhammad never healed any sickness or diseases in his time, nor did he make one blind man see. If he was sent from the true God, shouldn't God gave his followers signs to prove that he's a messenger from God, as did Paul, Peter, James and some of the rest of the Apostles of Christ?
@@paeng46 The Quran is considered as one of Prophet Mohammad's (P&BBUH) many miracles anyway. Though, Isa (PBUH) got his "powers" from PERMISSION FROM GOD, and not out of thin air.
And just because he "never healed any sickness or diseases in his time, nor did he make one blind man see" doesn't mean he isn't a Prophet + you can't categorize God under these circumstances/ "signs"; Satan can also do these things too (I think, due to Jinn and Human connection or through Unholy Magic).
Also, Paul, Peter and James, of whom we do not know there full origins and details, are considered those who've not only misunderstood Isa (PBUH), but also have single-handedly misguided 2.2 billion people today under a False Peace and under False claims/ interpretations/ narratives.
@@TussalDragon344
The Qur'an is not a miracle. The Qur'an was made up from the pigment of Muhammad's imagination. And the Qur'an itself is the one that proved his falsehood. If Jesus did miracles by the permission of God as you said, then that means Jesus is God. As only God alone can do the THINGS that he has the power to do so. Yes, Satan can do miracles too. The Bible calls this deception. Miracles that were done in the name of God are those that demonstrate the power of God by the word that came from God, and that made people believe the message that God wanted for them to hear-- and that is the miracles Jesus did in his time. The apostles Peter, Peter and James and the rest of God's apostles never misguided people. They led believers to Jesus Christ by their preaching. Only Muslims perhaps believe that they are misguided by the teaching of these apostles "for the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness"(I Corinthians 1:18). Muhammad is the one that deceived you and the billions of Muslims around the world-- for example by making you believe in the sexually perverted imaginary heaven of Allah from the wild imagination of Muhammad. The heaven that you are dreaming to go to is nothing but corruption and perversion of the human morality and sanctity.
Christians are still stumble to define trinity till today
The main problem is not their belief, the problem is they DONT want to believe. There's a lot of sign of Allah in this world.
and lastly they said "we do not have to understand God". haha
1+1+1=3....Mathematical error
Lance Gin Allah is the creator of everything in the universe and beyond. He created little Jesus in his mother’s womb just like he created ungrateful you . He can create anyone without male sperm . He created Adam without father and mother. .
Lance Gin trinity is a Bulshit invented by drunk idolator polytheistic pagan Greek several hundred years after Jesus departure. And believed by many ignorant like you
Shabir ally make me my faith as a Muslim increase more
Amazing Debate Brother Shabir, May Allah Bless You and Your Family.
May Allah save Shabir. He is such a learned man.
He is a Muslim. All Muslims will be saved and go to Jannaat. Ask Allah to save the Christians by guiding them to the truth of Islam!
Thanks for uploading full debate
Great! Hope for more such debates! So friendly and respectful ♥️
This video clearly proves that Christianity is false..
This video made me convert to Islam Alhamdulila
converted by a debate...wow
Latest debate! I will be watching the video. Thanks TRUTH SHALL PREVAIL. Hope you upload more debates.
How come 1+1+1+1+1++1=still 1❎
Jesus is God +Jesus is died = who is God?
Sir Douglas fail to respond most of the questions by Muslim,
May Allah bless and increase long life of brother Shabir Ali. And bring those Christian from dark to light, ameen
@@choward5430 ....
😂😂😂where did you studied maths...your school may have forgetten to tell when we are use additional symbol...Jesus was lived in the earth at the period of 2000 yes back,at the same time,yehowa was there ( Jesus prayed him),and holy ghost also...then there are three persons....in this situation we said that they are three and not one......
Why are u multiplying 1*1*1=1 ...what is the meaning to this...
@@choward5430 .....you are also misunderstood about light....
Light is the clarification towards truth...yes of course Jesus was light for isreal at when he was teached about truth and one god and gospel...so this is the meaning of light....
Jesus was not glowing....😂😂😂
@@choward5430 ....
I have a doubt in your Christianity bro...pls clear that...
No Christian could have answered that,they are ignored that question or not responded..
Before the Jesus, there are billions of people were lived in the earth and died...my question is " will all that people goes to the heaven?
Are you a true christian or have you a true knowledge about Christianity ,clarify my question without contradiction...
@@choward5430 Nice comment wish you read it n think over it...
According to Christian believe
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😇1, Who is God? Jesus.
2, Is Jesus the son of Mary? Yes.
3, Who created Mary? God.
4, Who is God? Jesus.
5, Jesus is the begotten son? Yes
6, Who is his father? God.
7, Who is God? Jesus.
8, Jesus is a servant of God? Yes
9, Who is God? Jesus.
10, Jesus died on the cross. Yes
11, Who resurrected him? God.
12, Who is God? Jesus.
13, Jesus is a messenger. Yes.
14, Who sent him? God.
15, Who is God? Jesus.
16, Did Jesus worship while on earth? Yes.
17, Whom did he worship? God.
18, Who is God? Jesus.
19, Did God have a beginning? No.
20, Then who was born on 25/DEC?Jesus according to Christian believe
21, Is Jesus God?..........................................
22, Where is God? in heaven,
23, How many are there in heaven? Only one God.
24, Where is Jesus? He is seated on the right hand of his father.
25, Then how many are they in heaven? Only one God.
26, Then how many seats? One
27, Where's Jesus? Seated next to God.
28, Then how are they seated? Its only understood by those with the holy spirit.
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So beautiful to be a Muslim. Alhamdulillah for the gift of Islam.
Regards
Mr Muslim
1+1+1=1❎👎
1+1+1+=3💯✅👌
@@choward5430 th-cam.com/video/ZBWuKeWTG94/w-d-xo.html
I think Jacoby is not a match for dr. Ally although dr. Ally was so soft with him!
Channel art looks awesome (by the way)
Great debate
A very civil, engaging, and educational debate; which is a great credit to both sides, for the respect they showed each other throughout the discussion. Solid arguments are put forward by both parties in a firm but polite way. A highly recommended video - thanks for uploading.
Alhamdulillah. May Allah bless u with the best reward Brother Shabir😁
i am a Hindu...not christian, not Muslim. But, i must say this is a very healthy debate. Very good.
Pinpati Narendra dev who do you think make sense? Shabbir or Jacobi ? Be impartial in your judgement
Mark 14:60 So the high priest stood up before them and questioned Jesus, “Have You no answer? What are these men testifying against You?” . Again the high priest questioned Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One?” 62“I am,” said Jesus, “and you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power and coming with the clouds of heaven.”…
Douglas jacoby is so decent in this debate, respect for that
Abu Muhammad Musa : You can sense Douglas Jacoby is an intelligent guy who perhaps deserved his Doctorate degree, but when it comes to the doctrine of the Trinity he sounds like a 5th grade student.
@@julio14335 win statement!
Abu Muhammad Musa
There is a good chance for him to be guided in that case.
God hates the arrogant
Julio Kosters when people want to believe something real bad they somehow convince themselves
@@julio14335 yeah. No one thinks trinity refer to one
Jesus acknowledges that he has a God.
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” [John 20:17]
Some Trinitarians might attempt to explain such statements away by saying that it was only the human side of Jesus being subservient to God, not his divine side. The problem is that later in the Bible, after Jesus has ascended and cast aside all human limitations, he is still saying “my God”:
I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. [Revelation 3:11-12]
So their explanation of the human side of Jesus doing the talking would falls apart when he is still using the same language of subservience as he did whilst he was here on earth. Moreover Jesus surrenders his kingdom to God:
Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all. [1 Corinthians 15:24-28]
If Jesus is fully God, and an equal member of the Trinity, then why does Jesus give back his kingdom to God the Father when our world comes to an end? In addition, why is Jesus made subject to God after he has surrendered his kingdom over? Clearly, God is forever supreme over all, including Jesus.
Moiz Ahmed Khan even though Jesus is divine He subjects Himself
To the authority of the Father. He is the eternal word of God who took on flesh to atone for our sins, so we can be reconciled back to His Father
Moiz Ahmed Khan the right way is to worship the Father through His Son Jesus. All Jesus ever wants is His Father to be glorified,
Seek the truth and the truth will set u free
But that's what you are saying not Jesus. How can Jesus be God in any way if he has a God of himself and dependent on him? We all know that God is independent.
Moiz Ahmed Khan it’s not what I say that matters, what matters is what God has said : Jesus is the eternal word of God who is our atoning sacrifice so we get His righteousness to stand before a Holy God.
Moiz Ahmed Khan Jesus in the flesh is about 2000 years back but He was eternally existing with the Father. Something before my birth, I was in my father’s loins and so was my father before his birth back to Adam. Ours is a physical world while the heavenly is a spiritual world. Hence Jesus is divine yet He lets the Father get all the glory
Douglas Jacoby at 15:39 made a claim that Jesus accepted worship as God in the Bible. He quote a passage like the following in order to show that people worshipped Jesus as God and he accepted it (or at least, didn’t reject it):
But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
[Mark 5:6]
The Greek word used in this verse for worship is ‘proskyneō’. Strong’s Bible Dictionary says that this word literally means:
“to kiss the hand to (towards) one, in token of reverence”
This same word is used to describe acts of reverence to people other than Jesus. Here a servant falls to his knees and “worships” (‘proskyneō’) his master:
“At this the servant fell on his knees before him. ‘Be patient with me,’ he begged, ‘and I will pay back everything.’” [Matthew 18:26]
This is part of a parable Jesus gave of a slave who was unable to repay a substantial sum of money to his master. He was merely expressing the kind of reverence and respect due the king, his master and superior. Another example is that Jacob bowed down seven times upon meeting his brother, Esau [Genesis 33:3], or when Joseph’s brothers prostrated themselves, or did obeisance, before him in honour of his position at the Egyptian court [Genesis 42:6]. Clearly, then, acts such as prostrating and kneeling (which are translated as “worship”) are not reserved exclusively for the type of adoration due to God. It can also refer to the respect and honour shown to another person.
Finally, there is a Greek word which does refer to the worship of God, ‘latreuó’. Here is an example of its usage in the New Testament:
‘But I will punish the nation they serve as slaves’, God said, ‘and afterward they will come out of that country and worship [latreuó] me in this place’. [Acts 7:7]
This word is never once used in the New Testament in relation to Jesus, it’s only ever used to describe the devotion given to God. If Jesus were God then one would expect this word to be used in reference to him, but it never is, it’s reserved exclusively for God. There is a perfectly logical explanation as to why this is: the authors of the New Testament did not use this word in relation to Jesus because none of them believed that he is equal to God!
Nicely put bro.
John10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? End of debate!
I really liked this debate, very respectful and respectable individuals, we may have differences, but the approach that leads to discussion is very admirable from both doctors
Shabir won.
Obviously
Bardhyl Shala
Seeing as we’re all stating the obvious - here’s another one:
Jesus is not God
Definitely he always win
Not shabir has won. The truth in shabir has won
Douglas Jacoby answered all questions straightforward and informative!
Well done brother Shabir
Alhamdulillah. Dr. Shibir Ally talked very wisely and logically with evidences. What I liked more about this debate is the manner both of these debaters came up with. I found Mr. Jecoby is an excellent person. I respect and appreciate his attitude. I make duwa and Pray for him so that May Allah lights his heart with the light of guidance. Ameen.
Yes, we shouldnt be ingorant. We should be loving toward eachother and talk with respect and reason with wisdim and logics. Let not force ourselves to believe in anything that never makes sense.
Say, "He is Allah, [who is] One,
Allah, the Eternal Refuge.
He neither begets nor is born,
Nor is there to Him any equivalent."
Al Quran 112 :1-4
Dr Shabir Ally was way too strong in argumentation for Douglas Jacoby
I really wonder when Christian Theologians will understand Islam's position on Gospel!! It's been 1400+ years. C'mon! Atleast be genuine in your approach!
*Dr Ally won as a piece of cake.*
Why God makes is so difficult to comprehend Him through the concept of Trinity? He makes people grapple to understand Him... forever.
And in the Gospel According to John, 17:3,
Jesus declares that the ONE HE PRAYED TO IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
3 And this is life eternal, that THEY MIGHT KNOW THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD, AND JESUS CHRIST, WHOM THOU HAST SENT. (John 17:3)
“‘YOU SHALL WORSHIP THE LORD YOUR GOD, AND HIM ONLY YOU SHALL SERVE.’” (Luke 4:8)
BUT IN VAIN THEY DO WORSHIP ME, teaching for doctrines the COMMANDMENTS OF MEN. (Matthew15:9)(KJV) See also Mark 7:7
Mathematical errors,Scientific error,Historical errors,policy errors etc is only possible for The Bible (The Corrupted Book of GáD)
shukran very fruitful debate learn a lot
I like ur Chanel but too many ads
Stop following *PAUL* CHRIST
Now follow jesus's teaching and Muhammad's teaching!
MashAllah a very respectful debate
May Allah guide all of my Christian and Jewish brothers. All Abrahamic religions should become one body.
I think Jesus peace be upon him is more like a prophet than God almighty
Christian go to the FATHER, through JESUS by the SPIRIT.
i just realized, how similar it is to SHIA
go to Allah, through Ali/Hussein by the Ayatollah
hhhh , yes it's similar , from Algeria
Talk to christians find out what ... it reminded me of a colleague of mine she said her mother would cry and tell her just believe in the trinity and get salvation please and she would say no it makes no sense she isn't muslim but she said all my life I felt cheated I couldn't fathom christianity at all and the funny part is the mom would just beg her in tears please accept Christ as your saviour
I think we should all preach the righteousness,the most greates ness of our religion...as many people are still confused and still believing to apostates...and unfortunately most of the muslims also get lost and certeinly looses there faith so we should all do something and encourage all to seek refugee in Allah from saitan and to remove there confusion by contacting islamic websites..and we should dawah as much as we can even with small knowledge..atleast it will restore peoples faith..and Jazak Allah khair for videos.. truth shall really prevail
And we should all keep in mind one thing we should never urgue with non muslims if they keep urguing as One Needs Allahs Mercy And Blessings to be in His religion...may Allah guide us all,And keep our iman steadfast
Ameen 😀😀
All ha is not the god of Israel or Jews it's someone else moon god haaaaa
Christians like to vary the contents of the bible according to the desires of their followers. That was the way they gain followers all over the world... They do not fear sin, just believe in Jesus, then they're guaranteed heaven and eternal life. Sins? No worries as they shall be paid to the churches for forgiveness and repent. Such a lawlessness peoples.
Douglas Jacoby at 19:48 misquoted the following verse of the Qur'an and claimed that it tells Christians to obey their Gospel:
"He has sent down upon you, [O Muhammad], the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He revealed the Torah and the Gospel." [Qur'an 3:3]
This verse talks about Torah and the Gospel being revealed to the people of the book but where does it say to the Christians to obey the Gospel? According to the Qur'an the Bible is corrupted:
"So woe to those who write the scripture with their own hands, then say, This is from Allah, in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn." [Qur'an 2:79]
Notice that shabir switches the debate topic as to whether jesus is the son of God "in the ontological sense". That means shabir knows that jesus is "the son of God" in other senses that cannot be disputed. So shabir conceded the debate, that jesus is a "son of God". Bravo.
Who won? Shabir almost always wins
Douglas Jacoby said at 19:56 that the Muslims holds the belief that the core message of the Gospel is corrupted but I want an evidence in summary.
There are numerous verses of the Qur’an that speak of the corruption of the scriptures of the Jews and Christians, here is one example:
So woe to those who write the “scripture” with their own hands, then say, “This is from Allah,” in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn. [2:79]
Ibn Abbas, a companion who learnt the Qur’an directly from the Prophet Muhammad ﷺ, explained this verse as follows:
(Therefore woe) severe punishment, and it is said this means: a valley in Hell (be unto those who write the Scripture with their hands) change the description and traits of Muhammad ﷺ in the Book (and then say, “This is) in the Book that has come (from Allah”, that they may purchase) through changing and altering it (a small gain therewith) a small gain in terms of means of subsistence and surplus of property. (Woe unto them) theirs is a severe punishment (for what their hands have written) have altered (and woe unto them) and theirs is a severe punishment (for what they earn thereby) of unlawful earnings and bribes.
-Ibn Abbas, Tanwîr al-Miqbâs min Tafsîr Ibn Abbâs, Commentary on Surah 2:79
Here Ibn Abbas is saying that the traits and descriptions of Prophet Muhammad ﷺ were changed in the Book.
In the following narration, Ibn Abbas is even more explicit about the corruption of the Jewish and Christian scriptures:
Ibn Abbas said, “How can you ask the people of the Scriptures about their Books while you have Allah’s Book (the Qur’an) which is the most recent of the Books revealed by Allah, and you read it in its pure undistorted form?” [Sahih Bukhari, Hadith 7363]
This is a position that is supported by the Biblical textual criticism of mainstream Jewish and Christian scholarship.
The Qur’an provides a metric, a measure, by which we can determine the origins of a scripture:
Then do they not reflect upon the Qur’an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction [4:82]
Here the Qur’an tells us that if it contained internal inconsistency, then it cannot be from Allah. The point is that contradiction is a product of human infallibility, and obviously not what we would expect of the All-Wise and All-Knowing Creator. The Bible is not only internally contradictory, but it also contradicts the Qur’an on fundamental issues of Islamic creed. By this Qur’anic standard then, the Bible has, at least for those parts that are contradictory, been tampered with by man.
In summary, to claim that Islam endorses the Bible of today as a 100% divinely revealed text is completely incorrect.
Oh new debate of shabir ally
Allaahumma baarik
🤲💖
Why does the video cut out the question of the guy questioning Dr. Jacoby at time 1:47:14????? Sounded like a debate ending question. Smh really disappointing.
Douglas didn’t answer any questions with answers like all the other Christian scholars. Instead he telling stories from here and there and from his mind.
Nice!
John 14:9 "Jesus answered: 'Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, 'Show us the Father'?
Coz any logical person knows no one can see The God. Since Jesus was a prophet and messenger of God like Moses, Abraham, anyone who wishes to understand God should understand the message of messengers, Only illogical person will hold on to ambiguous or metaphor verses and ignore the clear verses.
The question that Dr. Shabir Ally presents at around the 45 minute mark is answered by noting the fallacy from the jump to conclusion by stating when Jesus said "no one is good but God alone" is implies that he distances himself from being God. In the gospels, Jesus is shown to understand the hearts of people and is doing so again in this passage. He is targeting the implications of the question the man asked; "goodness does not flow from a man's deeds, but rather from God Himself." Be careful when you look to define where someone is losing a debate based on their outward reaction towards something.
In regards to the trinity, the reason why so many people have trouble understanding it (Christians included) is because we dont have much to relate it and therefore explain it with, but just because we don't have analogous teaching methods about something doesn't make it not true.
Just remember 'God is not author of confusion' 1 Cir 14:33. Religion should be logical and simple.
Loooooolllll 46:00 shabir told him the Bible is changed and suddenly the pastor is stunned and starts to ask himself do we have time for these questions 😂😂😂😂😂I cnt breath wasnt he the one asking shabir at first 😂😂😂😂!!!
@@choward5430 looooooolll plzzzzzz shooowww meeee do the honours sir 😂😂😂😂this is the quran not yur bible looll am waiting 😂😂😂
C Howard
Lol - you silly Christians have been desperately trying to find a ‘comma johanneum’ in our Quran for 1400 years without success - achieving nothing but fatigue.
As a Christian, who actually is open to finding truth, I find Douglas Jacoby's abilities lacking a bit, but does as best he can. 58:00, Jacoby basically uses an infantile defense equivalent to "YOU DO TOO!"
The concept of the Trinity is conceptually difficult to convey to most people, and he should have worked out an explanation BY NOW. Not say, "I don't it's so confusing." 59:37
It's also strange to me to even debate, instead of comparing notes on worship. Does anyone in the audience (or on stage) actually think they may convert another into their belief?
1:12:50, "they all abandon they're knowledge...even as human beings."
God is GOD. Reasoning out what God is capable of IS blasphemous. God created this entire existence and dimension.
God wished to experience life as a human, he sent a representative that would live as a human, so God would experience the hardship personally through Jesus. In the Koran (sp?), Harut and Marut are challenged by God, and tells them basically, "you think it's so easy? Go do it and show me." (this is obviously paraphrased)...and they fail.
Jesus may be the summation of this occurence and finally doing what he pointed Harut and Marut to try (and ultimately failed). As a Dad, if my son asked me to show him how to do something with grace and control, I would show him. It's not any different...it just took a while.
Also, if I'm programming for a game, and there's a bug in the game, I go play that level to see what the bug is that the player experiences. I would think God has WAAAAY more effective ways of doing this...HOWEVER God wants to do it.
One thing Dr Douglas got wrong on here was the Bible IS CHANGED. A perfect example is John 3:16 which used to say "God so loved the world that He gave His only BEGOTTEN SON........." But n updated Biblical scripts, due to Christians truly learning what BEGOTTEN means, they have CHANGED IT TO "God so loved the world that He gave His only BELOVED SON........"
So this shows one of the MANY CHANGES WITHIN THE BIBLE over time.
Shred: if such change is true, then its the change in the translations and not in the original.
Similar changes in translations happens in the Quran also.
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I agree there r different TRANSLATIONS. But the translations of the Qur'an r all SYNONYMOUS WITH EACH OTHER. The word BEGOTTEN and BELOVED do not have synonymous definitions. This shows Christians have discovered what BEGOTTEN truly means and REPLACED it with BELOVED, which also proves John 3:16 is NOT the true word of God
@City Of Charles Dirt
authors of the revised standard version bible comprising of 50 emminent scholars has declared that the word BEGOTTEN in john 3:16 IS A FABRICATION and it is not part of the bible
meaning of begotten: (especially of a man) bring (a child) into existence by
the process of reproduction.
evidence;
John 3:16 Revised Standard Version (RSV)
If christians follow the lords prayor they are no longer christians
Brilliant debate.
How can Mohamed tell us about Jesus if he came after 635 years, and people are depending on this information to be true. He does not even know what his own Allah will do with him or even with his followers. Surah 46:9
Biologically or Analogically is up to Christians to first decide who Jesus truly was, and who God really is.
Fact is, the word "Son of God" means different things to differents Christians. After failing to defind their terms, there is no need bringing the Quran into the picture. Is the Bible not clear enough about the meaning of the word "Son of God"?
C Howard: You are qouting John and you are saying Jesus said, almost all Christian Scholars discredited the Gospel of John as non-historical. Try again..
Lance Gin : will that Argument help Christianity win academic discuss.
@@choward5430 Muhammad is the final messenger, he was not the first messenger..lol.. God is unlike anything we seen on naked eyes.. Jesus is just a messenger to his people at his period of time.. Roman Empire made appeared Jesus as part of their trinitrian doctrine... flavian.. Go and ask the Jews regarding their concept of God , its opposite compared to christianity.. God in flesh is a Pagan concept of God..The reason Roman Empire hijacked jesus name into their trinitrian doctrine is to convert people into their religion.. they gave automatically citizenship for those who converted to this religion..ciao
No human should worship a Human, isn't that enough?
Revelation!
Evidence,ingredient,faith of perspective,community of faith,grounded,by faith,Deity(to whom you believe) and (in what you believe)thinking,heart,lives,work ,sing preach!
-what to learn what you believed
-the instrument of faith
-declaration of faith
-it is the power of God
Notice shabir says jesus never said "i am the son of God ETERNALLY". Shabir has to add "eternally" because he knows that jesus did indeed say "i am the son of God". Shabir is committing the fallacy of moving the goal posts.
Jesus is obviously the ONLY Way, the truth and the life. No on can know God except by Him. Most people are ever learning but never coming to the knowledge of the truth. Jesus is the everlasting Father and The Mighty God. isaiah 9:6. Forgive them for they know not what they say. Jesus minister to this man and that they may believe u called people who are on their way to Damascus. I love and believe in u Jesus. Amen
Shabir admits that jesus could be "son of God by adoption". Therefore shabir concedes the debate, because the debate is whether jesus is "son of God", not whether he became the son of God through adoption or by any other means. Is jesus "the son of God"? YES. Debate over!
Douglas Jacoby at 16:33 made a claim that Jesus has the authority to forgive sins, so he must be God and use the following incident to try and prove that:
“Why does this fellow talk like that? He’s blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?” [Mark 2:7]
It is true that Jesus seems to have the authority to forgive sins in this instance. However, this does not make him divine, as Jesus told the Disciples they can also forgive sins:
If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.” [John 20:23]
So in the Bible it seems that God grants the authority to forgive sins as He pleases. If Trinitarians want to insist that this authority makes Jesus God, then the implication is that so too are the Disciples because they all had the authority to forgive sins.
C Howard
Now what you are trying to do is that you are misinterpreting a clear verse so it can fit your theology. Jesus didn't said that you can declare the certainty of sinner's forgiveness by the Father instead he said that if you forgive someone's sins than they will be forgiven but if you won't forgive them than they wouldn't be forgiven, are you telling me that the sinner won't be forgiven until disciples declare the sinner's forgiveness by the Father? How much sense does it make to you? Even if I accept this than why the same thing can't be said for Jesus? What if Jesus was also declaring sinner's forgiveness by the Father and wasn't actually forgiving that sinner? Why the double standards? Also it won't going to change the fact that Jesus was "given" authority and he did not "own it".
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All authority is given unto me in heaven and in earth. [Matthew 28:18]
Some translations render the above passage as “power” instead of “authority”, which is incorrect according to the original Greek. It matters because there is an important difference between the two. We learn an important thing from this passage about Jesus in relation to God - Jesus was given authority by God. Authority comes only from a higher source, it must be delegated. Authority cannot exist unless there is a higher source in which it can be based. Power, on the other hand, is altogether different. Only God has all power, He doesn’t need authority. A “power” holds control by virtue of its own strength. Unlike Jesus, there is no one above God to delegate authority down to Him.
That is why Paul also said that God is above Jesus in hierarchy.
But I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. [1 Corinthians 11:3]
This statement was uttered after Jesus had ascended and cast aside his human limitations. If the Trinity is true, then surely Paul (the author of the above statement) would have uttered something along the lines of “man is the head of a woman, and God and Christ are the head of man” which would imply a horizontal relationship between the persons in the Trinity. Clearly, God is above Jesus in this hierarchy, implying no co-equality between them, and thus there is no Trinity.
That will also explain why Jesus in the Bible acknowledges that he has a God.
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’” [John 20:17]
You may attempt to explain such statements away by saying that it was only the human side of Jesus being subservient to God, not his divine side. The problem is that later in the Bible, after Jesus has ascended and cast aside all human limitations, he is still saying “my God”:
I am coming soon. Hold on to what you have, so that no one will take your crown. The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. [Revelation 3:11-12]
So your explanation of the human side of Jesus doing the talking would falls apart when he is still using the same language of subservience as he did whilst he was here on earth. Moreover Jesus surrenders his kingdom to God:
Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all. [1 Corinthians 15:24-28]
If Jesus is fully God, and an equal member of the Trinity, then why does Jesus give back his kingdom to God the Father when our world comes to an end? In addition, why is Jesus made subject to God after he has surrendered his kingdom over? Clearly, God is forever supreme over all, including Jesus.
Moiz Ahmed Khan by forgiveness he meant that Jesus is the atoning sacrifice for our sins. That means he takes away our sins and in its place gives us His righteousness, so we can live in the presence of a Holy God for Eternity. It not the same as we forgive one another. It’s the atonement. A glimpse of why Abraham was asked to sacrifice his son, but didn’t have to, because God provided a lamb, a prophecy of how Jesus would be the sacrifice
One simple question to islam scholars and followers! By converting church"origin" to mosque,do you thing it is not consider corrupted origin or wrongdoers? Surely it consider corrupted "origin" and not permissible by God!!!
You ok Mr?
What I find is this is a heathier debate you can find, no matter you are a Christian or a Muslim, we have a different option and answer? Muslims can't reject refer those of the book, way before Islam came to be. NO matter how much you take in, education and studies apply too all read all books, than the one.
Jesus Christ never claimed divinity by himself
55:17 he really said that ?! xD Sabr ya Rabb
Respectfully: Shabir stated that in the book of Mark, Jesus only appears as slightly greater than a man. Is someone who can command the sea and wind to calm down and have them obey him someone who is only slightly greater than a man? The disciples asked, “Who is this that even the seas and winds obey him?” Also, is someone who can forgive sins only slightly greater than a man?
Omerعمر Tتكين Thank you so much for replying to my comment. Here is something to consider. Understanding the relationship between the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is incredibly complex (I don’t claim to completely understand it).The reality of the situation is that it shouldn’t be surprising that we little people with little brains (in comparison to God) would have trouble trying to understand God. Imagine an ant trying to understand a human. But, that complexity should not make us ignore the Word of God that is revealed to us. I think you would agree with that. In other words, just because we don’t understand everything God understands , should not make us ignore or pick and choose what He tells us. If we use this approach and look at all the scriptures and the evidence, these all point to Jesus being the divine Son of God. Continued in next comment...
Omerعمر Tتكين So if we our aside our possible objections about the “trinity”, then I believe we will be able to see the scriptures more clearly. Right now, since Shabir has stated that Mark doesn’t show that Jesus is the Son of God, I am reading through the book of Mark with this in mind. Now, as far as prophets being able to do miracles as well, there is a major difference between the prophets doing this and Jesus commanding the waves and seas to stop and the waves and seas obeying Him. Do you know the difference I am referring to? It is that Jesus Himself commands the seas and wind led to obey Him, and they obey Him. The prophets didn’t do such things. They implored God to do the commanding! See the difference! Continued..
Omerعمر Tتكين For instance, Elijah “made it” not rain for a period of time and then “made it” rain again. How did he do this? He asked God and God commanded it. And all of the other prophets had God do the commanding while they requested or initiated God”s commanding. This was not the case with Jesus in the book of Mark regarding many things, including stilling the sea and wind. He directly commanded them and they obeyed him. Here is what I studied this morning on this topic: Mark - Jesus the Son of God - Part 6
“They came to the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gerasenes. When He got out of the boat, immediately a man from the tombs with an unclean spirit met Him, and he had his dwelling among the tombs. And no one was able to bind him anymore, even with a chain; because he had often been bound with shackles and chains, and the chains had been torn apart by him and the shackles broken in pieces, and no one was strong enough to subdue him. Constantly, night and day, he was screaming among the tombs and in the mountains, and gashing himself with stones.”
Mark 5:1-5 NASB
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“Seeing Jesus from a distance, he ran up and bowed down before Him; and shouting with a loud voice, he said, "What business do we have with each other, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I implore You by God, do not torment me!" For He had been saying to him, "Come out of the man, you unclean spirit!" And He was asking him, "What is your name?" And he said to Him, "My name is Legion; for we are many." And he began to implore Him earnestly not to send them out of the country. Now there was a large herd of swine feeding nearby on the mountain. The demons implored Him, saying, "Send us into the swine so that we may enter them." Jesus gave them permission. And coming out, the unclean spirits entered the swine; and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea, about two thousand of them; and they were drowned in the sea. Their herdsmen ran away and reported it in the city and in the country. And the people came to see what it was that had happened. They came to Jesus and observed the man who had been demon-possessed sitting down, clothed and in his right mind, the very man who had had the "legion"; and they became frightened. Those who had seen it described to them how it had happened to the demon-possessed man, and all about the swine. And they began to implore Him to leave their region. As He was getting into the boat, the man who had been demon-possessed was imploring Him that he might accompany Him. And He did not let him, but He said to him, "Go home to your people and report to them what great things the Lord has done for you, and how He had mercy on you." And he went away and began to proclaim in Decapolis what great things Jesus had done for him; and everyone was amazed.”
Mark 5:6-20 NASB
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• The more I read through the book of Mark with the lens of trying to determine if the book of Mark claims that Jesus was the Son of God, the more and more it seems as though that is exactly what Mark was claiming but he did so with evidence rather than just coming out and saying it (for the most part). This seems like a strategy and a certain genre of story telling instead of it meaning that Mark was not claiming Jesus was the Son of God. The last chapter ends with: “They became very much afraid and said to one another, "Who then is this, that even the wind and the sea obey Him?"”, Mark 4:41 NASB, bible.com/100/mrk.4.41.nasb In fact, the question, “Who is this that even the [blank] obey(s) him” seems like the theme question of the entire book of Mark.
• In this chapter, Jesus commands demons to come out of a man and these demons ask Jesus’ permission to go into the swine. While doing this, they refer to Jesus as the Son of the Most High. So we can ask, who is this, that even the demons obey Him? Critics have argued that the testimony of demons can’t be trusted but in context, Mark simply records the interaction and conversations that occurred between Jesus and these demons. It is very clear that these demons had to obey Jesus so why would they try to lie to Jesus by calling Jesus, “The Son of the Most High God”. That would not have helped their request: “The demons implored Him, saying, "Send us into the swine so that we may enter them." Jesus gave them permission.” And again, “Who is this, that even the demons submit to him?
• We have to determine why Mark included that the demons claimed that Jesus was the Son of the Most High. Was it because he was trying to show demons were deceitful? In context, and while looking at the entire book of Mark, does this really seem like this is what Mark was getting at? It looks to me that he was showing that Jesus had permission even over the demons and that they knew he was the Son of the Most High because they already knew who he was or because in the spiritual realm the fact that Jesus is the Son of God was clear!
Omerعمر Tتكين Thank you for reading my comments and thanks for allowing me to participate with your TH-cam channel. Peace.
Moses split the sea, and made water spring from a rock, and turned a staff into a snake. Does that mean Moses was divine!
Might Allahh (God) guide all of my Christians brothers and sisters in humanity because blasphemy is NOT something small rather it’s is the biggest sin or swear against Allahh (God) 😢may Allahh guide them we can not force them 😢
- Muslims believe Jesus PREACHED the Gospel
- Christians believe Jesus PARTICIPATED in the Gospel
- Muslims believe the Gospel were a set of teachings which were TAUGHT by Jesus
- Christians believe the Gospel is a story, a narrative - things that HAPPENED to Jesus
- Muslims believe that GOD revealed the gospel to Jesus during his ministry and Jesus taught it during his ministry
- Christians believe that JESUS revealed the gospel to Paul AFTER his ministry and Paul taught it (Galatians 1:11-12)
The New Testament today contains elements of both the Muslim view of the gospel (sayings and teachings of Jesus) and the Christian view of the gospel (sayings and teachings of Paul which nullify and contradict practically everything Jesus said and taught)
God is beyond humanity. We can’t limit God to our human mind .
Simple concept : H2O can be liquid, solid & gas . ( This is just water we are talking abt ) How much more God ?? To each their own faith .
There are many verses in the New Testament supporting the messengership / prophethood of Jesus(Peace be upon him). The following are only a few: In Matthew 21:11, the people of his time are recorded as referring to Jesus (Peace be upon him) as a prophet:
“And the crowds said, ‘THIS IS THE PROPHET JESUS of Nazareth of Galilee.’ ” (Matt 21:11)
In Mark, 6:4, it is stated that Jesus(Peace be upon him) referred to himself as a prophet:
“And Jesus said to them, ‘A PROPHET IS NOT WITHOUT HONOUR, except in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.’ ”
In the following verses, Jesus(Peace be upon him) is referred to as having been sent as a messenger is sent.
In Matthew 10:40, Jesus was purported to have said:
“He that receiveth YOU receiveth ME, and he that receiveth ME receiveth HIM THAT SENT ME.” (Matt10:40)
"Nevertheless I (Jesus) must walk to day, and tomorrow, and the [day] following: for it cannot be that a PROPHET PERISH OUT OF JERUSALEM." (Luke 13:33)
"And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A PROPHET IS NOT WITHOUT HONOUR, save in his own country, and in his own house." Matthew 13:57 also in Mark 6:4, Luke 4:24, John 4:43
Jesus refers to himself as a Prophet, Others also called Jesus a Prophet but Never called his disciples "A group of Prophets"
Jesus was called a Prophet by others:
"And when he would have put him to death, he feared the multitude, because THEY COUNTED HIM AS A PROPHET." Matt 14:5
"And the multitude said, This is Jesus THE PROPHET OF NAZARETH of Galilee." Matthew 21:11
"But when they sought to lay hands on him, they feared the multitude, because THEY TOOK HIM FOR A PROPHET." Matt 21:46
Ehsan Ramjan not blaming Jews but Most jews were not willing to accept Jesus as the messiah because they thought the messiah would free them from the Romans, but Jesus had a higher agenda of freeing the soul from the bondage of sin.
Ehsan Ramjan the people in the Bible didn’t recognize Jesus as the messiah and hence thought of him as a great prophet or Rabbi. Few were given the real revelation like the Samaritan woMan, the disciples At Tabor and few others
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O seeker of truth, if you really seek the truth put aside all preconceived notions, and open your heart….do not let others judge or make a decision for you.
And do not follow (blindly) any information of which you have no (direct) knowledge.(Using your faculties of perception and conception, you must verify it for yourself. (In the Court of your Lord,) you will be held accountable for your hearing, sight, and the faculty of reasoning. " (Quran17:36)
Pray to Allah by whatever name you know Him.
Pray to your Creator, the Creator of the universe and everything in-between with sincerity ask Him to guide you in your heart and in your mind to the religion of Truth and to make you pleased with it and you will find if you are sincere He will answer your Prayer and you will find the religion of truth enters your heart.
Ehsan Ramjan my dear... thanks for ur sincere advice to me on seeking The truth. I studied various faiths , religions belief systems and found d the Truth in Jesus Christ. Yes you are right, Jesus is not only a prophet. He is the prophet because He not only authorized prophecies, He brought them to pass As well.. besides being a prophet, His main purpose was to take on flesh and atone for the sins of mankind so we get to live in the presence of. Holy God for Eternity. Just as in the physical world we existed in the loins of our father and manifested only at conception, likewise in the spiritual realm realm, Jesus is the Eternal Word who was with the Father but took on flesh.. Even The Quran says. Jesus being a prophet, word of Allah and spirit of Allah.
@@seekthetruthandthetruthwil2388 May The Creator of the Universe Guide us all to the true path and reward us with Paradise in the Here After Ameen
I hope they finally got those poor souls into the lecture hall.
Christian scholars and pastor will never admit truth that son of Mary Jesus was a prophet by clear verses of earlier bible. They will stick to latest bible bible poltergeist Greek for their profitable business . Christian should read their bible horizontally and compare same stories in mark , Mathew, Luke and John. They will find how Jesus gradually became god in latest bible according to John. They should read Quran side by side with bible. They should listen to Dr Bart Earman on TH-cam
So sad to see Christians making a simple concept so complicated.
Can i have a link to the scholar? Theres some serious thing i need to ask. İt will be really greatful to have some answers i really need it to keep me stronger
What's your question?
Doug argue that jesus was God despite his limitation because God spiirit *in* jesus is never limited and allways almighty.... that does not work because jesus and spirit are always separate entities and neither it makes jesus unique.... everyone then has the same situation that God spirit works *in* them...
Good debat
11.25 "Jesus was Jewish" the insanity of Christians...one minute he is the son of God..which means his ancestors aren't human
Or he is born of a virgin...again no father to trace back to any tribe.
Yet they want David's seed n Israel's line SMH.
BUT HOW?
Jesus was a HUMAN BEING so it's natural to die, the only thing is God spirit dwell inside Him that's why He is The Son of Man.
This very simple question needs a simple answer point no.1 jesus christ is born by the holy spirt or muslim brothers may call whatever. poimt no. 2 . jesus christ cannot be compared to any other prophets.
Could it be John was writing to a different audience? By that I mean if it was written 30 years after mark this is an entire new generation of Christians who maybe didn't have an understanding of Jesus being the son of God so John put more emphasis on that part? For example I'm telling a story about the battle of the bulge 10 years after it happened I would not have to go to indepth on who the Nazis were compared to me telling the same exact story 30 years after it happened to people who didn't grow up when the Nazis existed.
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
anyone with a brain understands these words
one god
the only god
and jesus whom he has sent
it cant be anymore clear
Masha Allah shaber is right only one God Allah but douglas is one God in 3 God problem is to hum we fallow one God or Tre god
Well done Douglas. Jesus asked His father anything He wanted and would get it because they are one. If I have money in the bank, I can get it if I want to because the money in the bank is mine and my money in the bank becomes the Father of all the money that I may withdraw from the bank into my physical pocket: whatever Jesus told us was the son of the total/father information of God in Heaven. It is the word that forms the Father and Son, and this word is a mighty Spirit that can bring anything it wishes into life.
The word spoken by Jesus is the Son because it is totally correct and straight from the very throne of God: It was not given to the angels to give to Him neither was it the knowledge of the angels, He got it straight from the throne by Himself because He ownes it. But just like my money in the bank, there may be rules or days certain transaction cannot be done because there are certain rules separating me from my money even though the money belongs to me, but I may decide to withdraw all the money at a date suitable for doing so.
Jesus is not Son by flesh, He is Son by Word: a fraction of the revelation of the whole God: He is a direct part of God.
John 1 vs 1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
You don't ask what's yours
Douglas Jacoby at 15:43 use the following verse to support the notion of Jesus being God:
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” [John 20:28]
The Greek language uses the word ‘theos’ (“God” or “god”) with a broader meaning than is customary today. In the Greek language and in the culture of the day, “God” was a descriptive title applied to a range of authorities, including the Roman governor (Acts 12:22), and even the Devil (2 Corinthians 4:4). It was used of someone with divine authority. It was not limited to its absolute sense as a personal name for the supreme Deity as we use it today. Remember that it was common at that time to call God’s representatives “God,” and the Old Testament contains quite a few examples. When Jacob wrestled with “God,” it is clear that he was actually wrestling with an angel (Hosea 12:4).
Now if the Disciples really believed that Jesus was “God” in the sense that Trinitarians claim, then they would not have “deserted him and fled” when he was arrested. The confession of the two Disciples walking along the road to Emmaus demonstrated the thoughts of Jesus’ followers at the time. Speaking to the resurrected Christ, whom they mistook as just a traveller, they talked about Jesus. They said Jesus “was a prophet, powerful in word and deed before God…and they crucified him; but we had hoped that he was the one who was going to redeem Israel” (Luke 24:19-21). The Bible is clear that these Disciples thought Jesus was a “prophet.” There is no evidence from the Gospel accounts that Jesus’ Disciples believed him to be God, and Thomas, upon seeing the resurrected Christ, was not birthing a new theology in a moment of surprise.
Moreover the context of the verse shows that its subject is the fact that Jesus was alive. Only three verses earlier, Thomas had ignored the eyewitness testimony of the other Disciples when they told him they had seen Jesus. The resurrection of Jesus was such a disputed doctrine that Thomas did not believe it (the other Disciples had not either), and thus Jesus’ death would have caused Thomas to doubt that Jesus was who he said he was - the human Messiah. If Thomas really did believe that Jesus is God, then he would not have doubted (or shown surpirse) that Jesus was alive because such a thing would be a given - God cannot die.
god revealed his word through Gabriel the holly spirit
Doug was so confused in the very first question.
how many titles to " harmonize" and fix the altered text of the bible
A man, a teacher, son of man, Prophet, lord, Son of God, messiah, God agent to creation, one of the person of the trinity, A God of the very God, Yahweh, .. and they pick and chose, he did not know the hour, because that was the man side, he was called Lord vaguely because he can not revealed he is god because he is afraid of his creature beating him, he has to reveal himself gradually etc etc. Wake up!!!