finally watching *STAR WARS: THE FORCE AWAKENS*
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Calling the Tie-fighters screamy planes is without a doubt the most Nat thing ever
Typical for a person of low intellect and vocabulary!
@@mikelarsen5836 pillock
😂😂😂
@@mikelarsen5836
Uncalled for
@@mikelarsen5836 knob
I wasn't surprised Han was killed for one reason and one reason only: They were standing on a bridge without guard rails over a seemingly infinite chasm. ...Somebody's gonna fall. It's practically a law in Star Wars.
Seems like a law of stupidity to not have rails on a walkway like that.
@@w1975b 🎶 ….in a WORLD of OSHA violations… 🎶
That and... Harrison has wanted to kill the character since 1980. Lol
@@TheRealMediaMan No he didn’t. He signed a two picture deal along with royalties and a percentage of merchandising rights for LucasFilm to use his likeness. Why would he give up so much money? He just said to kill Han off the same way Hamill said Bobba Fett should be Luke’s mother. It was just a passing remark. When Carrie Fisher died she had $49 million, the majority of which was made by Star Wars alone.
@@faisalmemon285 it's been EXTREMELY well documented in countless interviews and documentaries that he wanted to kill the character off. The entire Carbonite sequence is a result of that. He settled for that.
“This is the same storyline” 8:00 in. Natalie is always right
and she found out in the first few minutes hahahaha
You will find the three trilogies "rhyme" in a way. In each, in the first part there's a "nobody" on a desolate planet who gets swept up in the adventure.
All movies open with a text crawl and then a camera tilt down (or up in the case of Episode II) to a scene with a spacecraft.
There is always a high-speed scene (pod races, trench runs, speeder bikes, etc.)
It's about the patterns, and the interrelationships between the characters. Recurring themes.
No pleasing Star Wars fans. Try the tried-and-true method, "it's the same thing!". Try new storylines, "you ruined the characters!!1"
@@rh4709 Thats because the sequels suck.
@@LordBobaginga Kylo hot tho
The “it’s all true” moment is more about echoing the last time we saw Han in that room, he said “hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side” However, yeah it’s a lot of the same with the few character changes not really making sense lol
I think that moment works to clue in our fresh two youngsters into knowing that stuff is all real before they meet it head on later. WE dont need to know, sure, but i think Rey did. (and we needed to know Rey did, imo)
@@Musabre maybe but I always thought it was weird they don't know it already
It wasn't long ago at all
@@678Draco kinda was when u think about it
@@FormerlyDarth the time lapse between episode 6 and 7 was 30 years
You're telling me that the defeat of Palpatine (at least til they decided to revive him) and fall of the Empire by a Jedi was not widespread knowledge to the galaxy when it happened just 30 years ago? Hell Rey could have been a child and heard about it
What I'm saying is in order for someone to believe something is a myth or legend it needs to be something so far back that it has that status. It's a nice parallel to Han's scene but it's just fanservice that doesn't make sense to me
Its assumed jedi/force wielders are a myth or all dead
Fun fact, the storm trooper that removed her restraints when she used the force on him is actually Daniel Craig. He was filming in a studio nearby and did the cameo
I was just going to type this in :)
@@KkheBb Me 2
He was filming Spectre. Both films were shot at Pinewood Studios in England.
What's fun about that?
@@Jutrzen What's your problem? it's a fact that is semi fun. it's not the opposite of fun. and it wouldn't sound right if you said "semi-fun fact." Would it have satisfied you if they said "Semi-fun" instead of "fun", Jutrzen?
Nat after 2 minutes: "It's the same storyline. Are they repeating the same story?"
Me: yes, yes they are :)
Said no one ever
Fortunately they don't in TLJ. Unfortunately they retrieved JJ then but not RJ.
@@iliboxic7586 imagine being so delusional thinking either of them had any cnance of making a good series when neither were given the abillity to make a single cohesive trillogy.
@@alexlandsbergs JJ is only able to make remakes. 9 is so horrible because his remake "plan" was destroyed.
@@iliboxic7586 You think Rian Johnson did something good? That's quite a take.
Leia ignores Chewbacca to hug Rey, a complete stranger who she hasn't met before.
Despite the storytelling, Driver does a lot of great stuff as Kylo with his internal fighting with the Darkside going external with his fits of rage. And angrily punching his wound because he's holding his guts together with the Darkside.
I think Ben Solo is one of the greatest but most underused character. When you read the books and the comics, you can understand his internal conflict so much better. I may be one of the few but he is my favorite character (Ben is, not Kylo)
The timeline for The Mandalorian was shortly after Return of the Jedi when Luke was still relatively young and was just starting to train new Jedi. This movie picks up about a couple of decades after that when all the original heroes are pretty much old and grey.
How does she not know these simple things?
@@masterofthechimichangas1306 no bitches?
Why did Luke build his Jedi Training Center in the middle of the woods as if it’s some summer camp retreat?
@@faisalmemon285 Because that's typically where Jedi traditionally did their training prior to the Jedi temple being built on Coruscant that we saw in the prequels. Remember in episode IV A New Hope, the rebels were using an ancient Jedi temple on Yavin 4 as a base. It, too, was in the middle of the woods. The move to Coruscant is where they messed up. The Jedi shouldn't be so close to the base of galactic political power. They should train in nature like they used to. Like the way Yoda trained Luke on Dagobah. Away from the influence of politics.
@@ISAACRICH No maidens
Not gonna lie I didnt even know you hadn't watched the sequels yet. Without involving personal bias I can assure you the next two movies split the fanbase in half and that your interpretation is something all of us are looking forward to seeing 🙂
I bet Star Wars fanbase is split into many shards, many "factions", for a longer time than the beginning of the sequels
In my case, I am in almost all of these factions ^^
She’s a reactor... they’ve never seen any mainstream popular movie ever don’t ya know...
Every movie splits the fan base. It’s a dramatic crowd.
No pressure there :)
@@WuMyth haha yeah. I saw other comments saying the same. It's just that I swear I'd watched her react to it before
All of your observations and complaints are 100% valid.
Signed: a Star Wars fan for 30+ years.
I concur, 100%
I for one loved the force awakens. The 8 was just OK and 9 was pure and utter trash
16:35 I too laughed crazily in the cinema when I first saw the BB8 thumbs up 😂 I really disliked a lot of the comedic choices in this trilogy but man I loved that.
One thing we can all agree on - BB8 is awesome and done perfectly. (Also Rey's jedi outfit on 9 is rad and I shall hear no slander)
Even though a lot of this film is just weird moments, Kylo beating his chest when he's fighting Finn does make sense to me. The dark side is fuelled by anger, and he's focusing the pain from his gaping wound into more rage.
If you've ever watched any football game, you recognize this behavior.
BTW, I never played organized football; I ran XC and the half mile in track, but I did wrestle and you see shit like that all the time there
@@Jon.A.Scholt Back in football we hit ourselves or each other to get our adrenaline running.
And then he loses to an untrained girl. And the argument for why is that he was injured. So does it help or not?
@@randalthekidd7006 not a fan of how quickly Rey picks things up in general, but he was pretty far into bleeding out at that point and she did have some stick fighting training, although I don't know if that would really translate into sword fighting skills.
Kylo was not beating his chest. He was hitting his wound to deaden the pain.
The Mandelorian takes place 5 years after “Return of the Jedi”. The sequel trilogy is roughly 30 years later. I agree with Tyler, I do not like the sequel trilogy. But as always I enjoyed your reaction.
I found the Force Awakens to be like a greatest hits album of the original trilogy. Like Maz's place mixed up Mos Eisley, Cloud City, while she was kind of a Yoda - Han's death was like Obi-Wan's death, but also a dark side mirror of Luke turning Vader - and the attack on Starkiller felt more like the second Death Star than the first.
But go back and check out one moment. When Starkiller is firing, and Finn hears screams. He doesn't look back at Maz's place, he looks *up* - and no one who's with him act like they heard anything. And when we see Maz's place, everyone there is quiet - it's the people on the targeted planets who are screaming. I came out of this 100% sure that Finn was Force sensitive too.
I'm convinced JJ planned for Finn to be force sensitive but then the second movie was ripped from him...
It would explain why he could use the Lightsaber without cutting his own leg off, and (at least for a little while) hold his own against Kylo.
I wouldn't call it "greatest hits" so much as "a rip-off form a talentless hack who doesn't understand what worked about what he is ripping off"
@@SchulzEricT I feel like you just reworded his "greatest hits" observation in a way to make it needlessly negative. If you don't like the "rip-off" moments, then you won't like the original trilogy. You can't argue that they're biting from the previous films and in the same breath say you like the old but not the new. You just said they're the same. You can dislike that the story isn't new, but that doesn't effect the quality of the story or it's portrayal. I don't think you're objective with your criticism.
And to expand on the choice to make it similar. It's almost like cyclical events is canon in Star Wars. It's almost like it's a continuously repeated foundation in Star Wars from which a great story was going to be built off of and you calling him a "talentless hack" when YOU are the one ignorant of the lore and history that was represented in this choice is at best ironic.
@@SircoleYT There's a difference between being inspired by and stealing. There's a difference between paying homage to and trying to recreate without understanding why the original worked.
The OT was inspired by other works. Obviously. The sequels were just an attempt to re-do the OT. As evidenced by the fact that, in-universe, JJ didn't *advance* anything. What happened to The Empire? Well, they're "The First Order" now. What happened to the Rebellion? Well, they're the Resistance now. Are they any more powerful than they were in the OT? No, they're the same, because if they've advanced at all in political power, then JJ can't do The OT again, he'll have to tell a different story.
Everything you said is exactly how I feel about this movie the entire way through
Agreed, she gave the perfect review here
I disagree. I think she got a lot of this one wrong.
@@RenegadeShepTheSpacer noob
ptryyu much on the same page, Im curious to see what she thinks of the 8th movie, thats when I really lost faith on the disney star wars. The 7th episode was alright, and I was hoping for an even better 8 and 9
While I'm sure somebody has already mentioned this, Book Of Boba Fett is almost a required watch if you are going to continue watching Mandalorian Season 3 as it kind of serves as a Season 2.5 of the show. I'm sure there will be some sort of recap at the beginning of Season 3 for anyone that didn't watch it, but I think seeing that in isolation will just lead to more questions than it could possibly answer on it's own.
I wish I could go back in time and stop myself from watching the boba fett show.
@@goflowolfog9833 💯
or just watch the last three episodes of bobba fett, and maybe flip through the last one just to find out the main thing that happens with mando in that. those two episodes are pretty much episodes of mandalorian.
@@goflowolfog9833 heh. I had to really struggle in writing my post to avoid any leaning on how people may have felt about the show itself. The problem is that it kind of looked like it was it's own thing, and I know some friends that have enjoyed Mando said they were skipping BoBF because they didn't care about his arc. At this point, there really isn't a way to keep going on Mando without knowing what happened in Boba Fett,
@@goflowolfog9833 overtalking it bad ... most people liked the series it has a good rating even first episdoexs are totaly fine and good
They're not all clones. They got rid of the clones before our new hope. The Stormtroopers and these troopers are all people that were hired. So when the death Star blew up they killed millions of people that were hired by the empire, not clones.
At least some of the First Order troopers were kidnapped as kids and grew up with the first order. Some mental conditioning as well.
It's actually so much worse than that. The Stormtroopers are now ENSLAVED CHILDREN who were brainwashed from childhood by the First Order. Then, in a move of stunning political incorrectness, the only Slavetrooper we see is...a black man! So now, as you watch the heroes mow down Stormtroopers, you get to have the pleasant thought that they are killing black slaves under that armor. Isn't this just the best writing?
Soldiers aren't hired. They're recruited.
"hired"
Conscripted as children is now considered "hired?"
Btw- storm troopers aren’t clones, only the clone troopers were. The first order (that came after the empire fell) took normal born babies from families and raised them as warriors. Hence Finn not having a name.
I love how on your first watch you understand and call out everything wrong with this film😂
23:20 She has Luke's lightsaber (technically Anakin's lightsaber if we're being pedantic) because if you recall, Darth Vader cut off Luke's arm when they fought in Cloud City in the Empire Strikes Back. The arm and the lightsaber fell and was lost. It is assumed that Maz Kanata (the little orange character) simply stumbled across it on her many travels.
Gotta love how the answer to "A great question...for another time" is "idk man she just found it somewhere".
@@Dudeman23rd AKA the JJ mode of writing. Everything is a black box with no known payoff.
I think they sort of answered how she got the saber, I forgot, but it makes no sense to me. Cloud City was on Bespin, a gas planet. The saber would've disappeared and disintegrated when it fell down the same garbage-pipe things as Luke did, and then into the gas planet.
@@Geoffery_of_Monmouth JJ McGuffin
Nothing pedantic about calling it Anakin's lightsaber. It is Anakin's lightsaber. Luke's lightsaber is the green one he created himself when he became his own man.
Natalie: *Asking all these very appropriate questions*
Me: Excellent questions. We never get answers to most of them
the whole "A good question....for another time" and "...I'll tell you later.." we never get answers to. lol
@@MrGorn25 This entire movie is a case study for bad writing. I can't believe people get paid to write this. Michael Arndt wrote "Little Miss Sunshine" and "Toy Story 3," while Lawrence Kasdan was co-writer for "The Empire Strikes Back." JJ Abrams is also credited for being a co-writer.
I'm more upset they get paid to write this, let alone this entire movie kind of shows how much they didn't care.
Edit: I'm sure all of them cared and are fans, but it sure doesn't match the quality of effort. Feels like a lazy cash grab that got a stamp of approval in the first drafts.
"Just hurry up and finish the script! Make sure you have these cool things to distract the audience with nostalgia! And some mystery boxes to keep them guessing and coming back, a la JJ. No one cares what the story is, so just hurry up so we can get paid. How it can it fail? I mean, it's Disney making Star Wars. With the power of our cults combined..."
@@uglystupidloser I think you'll be more upset with yourself when you finally realize how much Lucasfilm and its writers _did_ care about Star Wars, how little you figured out, and (most importantly) how little effort you put forth to interpret this parable-based mythology. _Much to learn you still have._
Never... or just _not yet?_
Well, actually, you do get pretty much all the answers. Just because they’re not the answers you wanted doesn’t mean there’s no answers kiddo
EXACTLY HOW WE FELT when she is just a god at using the force out of no where.
She just magically beats Kylo. Someone who was trained by a jedi master at the jedi temple.
It makes absolutely 0 sense.
@@BrandonWestfall I think you're overselling the importance of training. Both Luke and Anakin were supernaturally good pilots before either of them had any Force training at all. Even Yoda, during Luke's training, made it sound like mindset was more important to using the Force than any specific skills. Franky, I suspect that "Jedi Training" was more about religious indoctrination (and lightsabre training) than about becoming stronger with the Force.
@@BrandonWestfall let’s back track here. Kylo is a moody teenager who never really finished his training. He hasn’t had any competition in the force in years, has just murdered his father, been shot with an extremely strong weapon, which we were shown the impacts of earlier in the movie, and still dominated Rey and Finn the whole fight. He literally toyed with them the whole time. It’s only when Rey focused and used the force, that she managed to overpower him at the perfect second.
@@rohegarcia2802 Back on track? My comment was fully relevant to the discussion,
@@BrandonWestfall You failed to address anything in my response. Why so?
Staff and sword fighting are 2 completely different styles. When you add in the fact that lightsabers are essentially just hilts, that's even more different
Actually it's been confirmed that NO Stormtrooper ever is a clone. That's why they're called Stormtroopers and not Clone Troopers.
The Clones were created for the Republic's first Army, but When Palpatine turned the Republic into an Empire Every Member Planet that had a security force was Then enlisted into an Imperial Academy where they became Storm Troopers. Palpatine simply let the clones die out.
In the 19 years of "Legends" stories many of the first 'generation' of Stormtroopers were in fact clones. With the cloning technology "lost" they had to start conscriptions to fill out the ranks. Eventually it was all conscripts or even volunteers. However, as "Legends" isn't really canon anymore, you are technically correct as they delve into in the Bad Batch cartoon.
yes. but they are kidnapped children trained from a young age.
Yes and no, they don’t necessarily make new clones but every clone trooper that was still alive after Order 66 became Stormtrooper.
@@MichaelJohnson-vi6eh Yes, but that still doesn't make them clones. And not EVERY Stormtrooper is a kidnapped child; many but not all.
@@M0M0117 Quite likely, all I mean is with the Size that the new Empire would now be - because it was essentially the entire Republic minus a very small group of less than a dozen worlds - the clones would not be sufficient to maintain any kind of military force. so instead every world that had "security" was now a place to Train the Galactic Empire's new soldiers. Putting everyone under ONE banner is how there always seemed to be millions upon millions of storm Troopers.
Natalie's reaction to this movies plot makes me feel like I'm not a crazy person.
She is absolutely right about this one and based on her reactions, she's either gonna really like or really hate the next two. Still want her to watch them even though I personally dislike them
There has to be a prophecy about the girl
Nat writes a better story for the star wars sequels than what was actually written
Are you sure there isn't a prophecy about the girl? You might be surprised.
The Mandalorian takes place just after Return of the Jedi, so the New Republic is ascendant and the Empire is reduced to scattered remnants. The Force Awakens is about 25 years later. The New Republic is still ascendant, but the former imperials have formed the First Order and staked out some territory. The New Republic basically maintains a cease-fire with the First Order, thinking they can coexist. So Leia's resistance if the only ones fighting the First Order as the trilogy begins.
It's so weird going back and seeing all the things this movie wanted to set up that ultimately went unacknowledged and unresolved.
Always plan your trilogies in advance.
I never bothered to watch the third movie...I don't even remember what it was called. And I actually really liked the Last Jedi! But it's clear this trilogy was just pieced together.
That was my biggest gripe. I’m so used to the MCU, I fully expected the second movie to tackle all the dangling plot threads and hints, and instead it did the complete opposite.
@@glamazon6172 I watched it after it came to digital... literally during the OPENING CRAWL I already was cringing because of the bad writing x_x
Also don't schedule a trilogy and plan a budget for it, then hire 2-3 different directors and multiple writers..
I watched a bit of Lost and all of Fringe and its clear from those two experiences at least, that JJ does not plan his stories. He sets up situations and just sees where they go. Sometimes it works - though mostly only up until maybe five minutes after the end credits roll - usually it results in a bit of a senseless mess.
"I'm so remarkably unfazed" is the PERFECT summation of how we all felt after walking out of the theater when this came out.....such a let down 🤦
You speaking for all of us now? I was super happy with this movie. It wasn't until The Last Jedi I felt dissapointed
The majority of people liked (and still like) this movie.
@@jeankhast Maybe the majority of people YOU know.....
@@nicks1063 is that why in critics sites the note of the movie is high?
Guys this squabbling is exactly what Nat asked you NOT to do.
Storm troopers aren't clones anymore. The Empire stopped using clones around the time of Luke and Leia, likely because they knew how dangerous they could be after they were used to overthrow the Republic and they didn't want a repeat of that. Also I imagine it's cheaper to just train randoms.
I'm a little more than halfway through and Natalie shows a knowledge of the series and consideration for continuity that I really respect. No matter her feelings about the rest of the trilogy she has earned my respect through her growing fandom.
Nah... I'm sorry, but people don't have to "earn" their right to be a fan. If she had only liked the first film and hated all other Star Wars media, she would have the right to call herself a fan. If she had only liked "The Mandalorian" and disliked all other Star Wars media, she would have the right to call herself a fan. If she had liked literally all Star Wars content WITH THE SOLE EXCEPTION OF THE ORIGINALS, she would have the right to call herself a fan. Fandom inclusion is not something people have to earn.
_-(btw, not suggesting that's what you're saying, just wanted to throw it out there)-_
@@MrMarsFargo I clearly said it was her fandom that has grown, and it is my respect that was earned.
I didn’t say she earned her right to be a fan. I don’t know how you read that into what I posted.
@@GideonNine personal gate keeping is still gate keeping…
@@scottelement Well, you can just call me Zuul.
Yeah tho honestly I'm feeling like shes come to it thinking negatively because of some of its reputation, could just be me but the title and thumbnail make it feel less positive
Natalie: "I just wish it had been a little different."
Everyone Else: "Be careful what you wish for."
Let's not subvert expectations or anything... bleh.
It gets different, very, very different.
I just wished for a cohesive trillogy. even the prequels managed that.
*Monkey's paw curls*
I'd rather all these movies be like the 3 previous ones then....you know...that different as we say
OMG, this is almost exactly what was going through my mind AS I was watching this on opening night. Thank you for adding this series. Hopefully you'll continue with the other two...
“These lines are just paralleling each other”
It’s like poetry. It rhymes
Nope. Just a rip-off
@@davidm4566 Nope. He's right. History is repeating itself because the last generation failed. (The same can be said of the Star Wars fandom.)
Please just consider adding The Clone Wars and Rebels to a poll. They're a bit of a long journey, but it is SO worth it.
Nah don’t add it to the poll, it’s not worth it
it's good and all but it's WAY too long
@@drewdemory1092 I second this shits so long
A bit? It's waaayyyy longer than a bit. That's show is a COMMITMENT. full stop. It's definitely not worth it for someone who isn't a die hard fan of Star Wars.
the clone wars is long af, but it's probably some of the best star wars i've seen. It takes a while to warm up too. Made me appreciate Vader way more that the prequels did
Honestly, a relative Star Wars newcomer immediately correctly identifying an AT-AT walker is pretty impressive!
Yes, how bizarre that someone would be able to do that after only watching seven of the movies, LOL.
@@philliplozano7587 well, I don't think it ever names them in the movies. If you have the toys though...
But she still pronounced it as an AT AT which doesn't make since, because doing it that was for an AT-TS sounds idiotic.
Hahaha! Your reactions to this movie were EXACTLY like mine! I remember sitting in the theater feeling like the only one going, "Wait, we're doing THIS again? It's just another Death Star. How is she this good at the Force? I feel like I'm going crazy." LOL
It was an homage, like a love letter to the original. Luke blew up the death star with the force after a few days of training with Obi-Wan on the trip from Tatooine to Alderaan. These kinds of things have ALWAYS been happening in Star Wars movies.
@@Galiant2010 “Few days of training”? Weren’t there additional years of training under Yoda in general, during which time Luke’s struggles with the Force were nothing like Rey magically knocking every fastball out of the park from the beginning?
Yep, essentially the same storyline being repeated in the most unimaginable way possible. George Lucas was a master at repeating storylines but doing it in a way where he is inverting things and creating recognizable patterns without explicitly copying something he's already done. For example I bet most people don't realize that the Battle of Hoth in Empire Strikes Back is almost an exact inversion of the Battle of Geonosis in Attack of the Clones. Both are giant land battles where the rebels are fleeing the planet in the face of an onslaught by the more dominant power. However while the rebels in Empire Strikes Back are the good guys, the rebels in Attack of the Clones (the Separatists) are the bad guys. Lucas even films the Battle of Geonosis largely from right to left where the Battle of Hoth was filmed largely left to right.
unimaginative, yes.
Natalie “why does she have it, why doesn’t Luke have it”
Everyone: *still waiting to find out 7 yrs later
its a "mystery box". welcome to jj abrmas terrible writing concepts. just have ridiculous things happen and never explain them, its """"mysterious""""" that way.
@@TheGamingPanda20 yes but it doesn’t give any backstory on Maz, they never explain why or how she got the Lightsaber. Just bad writing forcing them to build plot points out of coincidences and convenience
@@kduffin33 well that is Star Wars for you. I mean, Darth Vader became Luke's father somewhere between the release of ANH and the script-writing for ESB, making some of what Obi-Wan says in the first movie clash with this new ide someone got.
@@kduffin33 In the nicest way possible, I honestly don't care. I never mentioned anything to do with Maz, so I don't know why you brought that up. I only mentioned about how Luke had lost the light sabre in the first place.
I know it doesn't give any back story about her and where she obtained it, that's why I never gave an explanation
Luke dropped it down a vent in Empire Strikes Back, the real question is where did it come from.
It's amazing seeing your perspective on the sameness of this movie with "A New Hope", without being hindered by nostalgia. So many of the questions you raised had the promise of interesting character development that either went absolutely nowhere, or to utter ridiculousness. And the ultimate corker of a letdown that we would never again see Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie & the droids together again in the same scene.
It was never going anywhere. Many many many people knew this shit was dead since 7. Once kylo lost the trilogy failed.
The trilogy was lost even before Kylo lost. Mary Sue of a main character, able to use pretty advanced jedi techniques without training, shooting a death star laser from a different solar system to destroy the republic which was right next door...
There was a lot wrong with the movie... and it didn't get better...
Funny, all most as if it’s a bad movie
God, rewatching this movie made me realize how utterly ridiculous some things in the Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker turned out. Anyone of the sequels could have been part of an acceptable trilogy, but they seem dedicated to contradicting each other.
This is exactly it, she is not blinded by memberberries like many of us were. She has seen the OT and PT and enjoyed them but the movie is not hitting her in the nostalgia feels like it did long time fans.
She is gonna have a real bad time with Last Jedi and Rise of Skywalker if she's already calling bullshit on Force Awakens.
I felt the same way when I watched this movie for the first time. It was fun to watch, and the effects were amazing, but it was definitely a rehash of A New Hope with a protagonist who is way too good at using a brand-new power she's never used before.
Which is why the Mary Sue complaint is funny to me.
I think someone who is born a slave and due to being born in outside the Republic had piss poor knowledge of the Jedi and yet has built an android, built a pod and even though he has never finished a race in his life - he ends up winning one when the character needs him to as well as randomly picking the correct sequence to get a starship started, fly it and destroy the control ship among all kinds of shows of powers without any training is WAY more "Too good at using a brand-new power" than Rey's actions who actually knew the legend/myth of the Jedi and their powers.
Either BOTH are "way too good" or NEITHER is.
Hell, the one who is angry and grieving is going to have access to the dark side and be more powerful. A Boy without any fear or anger or grief doing everything without any knowledge is less so. So if you can accept Anakin, how can you not accept Rey?
@@ChibiHoshiDragon Thank you. Mind if I copy your writeup for future reference?
@@Atlessa Sure. Though I prefer you remove the in, and the other bad grammar mistakes I made. I at first wrote: born in a place where the Jedi doesn't have access to the children and wanted to switch it to born outside the Republic's control... didn't go the way I planned.
There is also Luke. Obi gave one "lesson", and Luke could handle a droid blasting him without sight. He could also focus the Force to aim for the Death Star. He called the Lightsaber to him to free himself from the ice BEFORE he met Yoda and was properly trained.
A dollar store rehash of the original story
I saw this 5 times in theaters and was so happy every time I saw it. Now 7 years later, with the hype dyed down and the other movies that came out; I do understand now the criticisms people give this one for being unoriginal
"I can't imagine Chewy going on without Han"
Yeah I don't think the writers quite knew what to do with Chewbacca in the following movies. Completely under utilised.
Him abs Chewie were brothers/Best Friends.
I don't think the writers knew what to do with anyone in the following movies.
You're not wrong, but also Peter Mayhew wasn't in the best health for Episode VII.
The fact that (after Han's death) Leia hugs a complete stranger instead of Chewbacca, one of her oldest and best friends... Big oof.
I don't think the writers knew how to write anything anywhere for anyone lol
The biggest fuck up with these films is that THEY DIDNT PLAN OUT THE WHOLE TRILOGY STORY BEFOREHAND AND JUST MADE IT UP FILM BY FILM. What kind of ass-backwards planning is that???
I think they did, but then they started to listen to various loud groups who wanted to change relationships, pace and everthing.
@@alvinanil6996 Um... they said themselves that there was no plan
Also, the three movies were released over four years and two years inbetween them. George had 2x3 movies released over *six* years with a *three* year gap between them.
lmfao that's literally what George did with the prequels (outside of like a basic outline)
Even the best trilogies aren't always come up with a plan immediately
Oh Natalie, you were more aware of the flaws of this movie than I was the first time I watched. That came later :-p
That ridiculous little recorder version of the GoT theme during the Brienne/Phasma bit takes me out every time 😂
Natalie’s face when Snoke reveals that Kylo ren is Han’s son was amazing!
One thing I want to clarify: stormtroopers are not clones. Clone Troopers were only used during the Clone Wars, and were phased out and replaced by regular humans who were stormtroopers. The First Order kidnapped children from their families and raised them as the new generation of Stormtroopers, similar to how the Jedi took children as infants and toddlers so that they wouldn't form emotional bonds with their families.
Like you, I also took issue with how quickly Rey learned to use the Force flawlessly. The in-universe explanation is that she basically downloaded Kylo's knowledge when they linked minds, so she can do everything he can as well as he can. It's stupid, but it is AN explanation, which is better than none at all.
That's a pretty big spoiler you revealed there.
@@TheLiquidPepper I didn't spoil anything. I only talked about what was in this movie. The explanation for Rey getting info from Kylo is from the novelization, the movies never explain it.
@@TheBoondocksaint117 I thought the explanation was that they’re a dyad in the force, essentially making them both semi-chosen ones.
@@ewanreilly2988 nope! When he was going through her mind for the map she turned it back on him and went through HIS mind, and force-downloaded his training as a by-product.
Nothing was planned out in advanced, theyve admitted that, so the force dayad thing was only thought of AFTER Last Jedi
"I'm so remarkable unphased" I think that phrase describes the entire movie.
I had similar feelings in this. It was repeating the same themes that happened before, but did it worse.
It also went out of its way to destroy old beloved characters.
Hey Natalie, to answer your question about why Threepio has a Red arm, there's a comic book that gives the backstory of how he'd gotten the red arm
Nat: “this is the same storyline!”
The Last Jedi: “Be careful what you complain about.”
Emperor cackles in background
Which is why that's my favorite one eeeee
@@speedhuntr Being different for the sake of it, it's not good either. They both suck, in their own way.
@@OsSas3 it's my second favorite after empire lol
Going back and rewatching this movie just kinda makes me sad. While there are some definite criticisms to be had here, I think this one did a few things that had the potential to be very interesting (in particular the character of Finn), but ultimately fell flat with the next two movies. Also, as many here have said, I'd LOVE to see you react to the Clone Wars. It starts off not super great, but by the end it's one of the best things in all of star wars with the only thing beating it being the original trilogy.
these movies did finn dirty and john boyega fully knows it and called them out on it
Yeah tFA wasn't great but if it had been the start of a trilogy instead of just the first of three stand alone movies stapled together it could have laid the groundwork for a cool set of movies. In hindsight the worst parts of it is the unrealized potential.
The sequel trilogy would have benefitted from a cohesive vision for the narrative instead of scrapping a lot of the stories between the three movies. I love how "The Last Jedi" subverted a lot of tropes that made the first trilogy great, and which this movie leans on heavily, but I don't like how we switched from this kind of story to that one, and then back again. I put the blame for the lack of cohesion on the one person in charge of the Star Wars franchise that connects all the movies: Kathleen Kennedy.
@@ShortyLongstrokin Watching this reaction, I expect that Natalie will appreciate that TLJ _has_ subverted tropes & expectations, although I don't know if she'll appreciate the direction Rian chose to go instead. Personally, I couldn't get past the simple and unnecessary violations of the basic laws of physics in TLJ to be able to appreciate anything about it. Yuk.
Acting as if this was anything other than a corporate cash grab and a soft reboot of episode IV is a joke. This is literally a copy and pasted plot line with prettier VFX. That’s it, that’s all.
Nat essentially saw nearly every single problem with this film in her first watch through.
Imagine watching film for fun, instead of for the fun of being critical JUST ONCE. Standing obvious problems/unoriginality about a film again and again doesn't make a a person intelligent it's just a waste of thought and time, because they're so obvious. Try looking deeper than flaws.
@@YodatheHobbit noone is trying bro, its VERY VERY noticable lol
@@YodatheHobbit Thin skin will do you no favours in life.
@@YodatheHobbit even if you look deeper than flaws all you're left with is just a copy paste of episode 4 so you're point really is awful
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I mean if you like good cgi and stuff to go boom sure. I knew people who didn't know anything about Star Wars that loved this film, but I watched the 6 previous films before I saw TFA in theaters. Anybody who has a slight knowledge of Star Wars can spot these flaws. Anybody who has seen all the previous 6 would rightfully be a bit annoyed at it. You seem to be a sequel trilogy zoomer.
The reactions, the predictions! You've outdone yourself. It was all spot on and a delight to watch!
I can still watch this trilogy without hating the movies. However, they really needed to decide from the very beginning on a single director and and established story that spanned all three movies rather than letting someone new jump in and do their own thing that was only loosely based on the events of the previous movie.
Personally, I would have been fine if George Lucas had stuck around and directed this trilogy too. I know many fans claim the same based on what we got from this trilogy, though I wonder how many of them still would have hated whatever George came up with as well.
multiple directors can work fine, the original trilogy had that.
You just need a proper planned out story arc for each character and writers who decide in advance where the story is going to go.
@@ChildOfTheWilderness By the same token though, the original trilogy showed that you don't need to have it planned out. No-one cared that the OT clearly wasn't.
Given how the prequels were treated when they were released, it'd be the same with Lucas.
A lot of people who are hardcore sequel haters (not the folks with some criticism but the ones who claim they ruined Star Wars, or who try to destroy anyone else's enjoyment of them) are people who apparently were too young to really notice that hate and grew up with the prequels as movies they saw when they were young. But at the time, a lot of people trashed the prequels bad. The kid who played young Anakin had issues afterward. The guy who played Jar-Jar contemplated suicide. That's how bad it was.
I feel bad in that I let the hate taint my experience and I kind of ignored them and surrounding media for a while after, until meeting someone who was younger and saw them as a kid and enjoyed them. And heading into the sequels' release, I decided to wipe out any prior notions of the prequels, watch them without a critical eye, and try to enjoy them... and came out really liking them.
But yeah. The hate at the time was horrendous, and would be so much worse with the modern Internet. There's a reason Lucas stepped away from Star Wars.
I’ve read an interview with George Lucas that he originally wanted to make a sequel trilogy that delved into the microscopic world of midi-chlorians. Then in typical George Lucas fashion I also read an interview that he said was going to focus a sequel trilogy on Leia with new Jedi and a female protagonist. He said that the time frame didn’t work for him and so he decided not to pursue it further. So who knows what he would have done if he decided to be involved.
You're more forgiving than me, I still haven't had the heart to rewatch ep 8 or 9. I still have hope they can retcon this in a smart way.
Watching this again with you, it horrifies me that this was the better of the 3 sequel movies.
Such a wasted opportunity, it still makes me angry after all this time.
Lazy writing was an understatement.
2 minutes in and she recognizes that this is the same story line. She hasn't even met the desert orphan have to learn force powers to face the black-clad villain, seen the dashing rogue pilot save the day, seen the "death star" (Starkiller Base) blow up peaceful planets, seen the heroes destroy the "death star", etc.
It's like Nat was listening in on the first conversation I had with a friend after seeing this movie.
"They couldn't come up with something new?!"
It's J.J. Abrams. Nostalgia is the main ingredient in all his films. Originality is like gluten to him.
It’s also Disney’s MO with Star Wars.
Rogue One - Episode IV the prequel
The Last Jedi - Chris Avellone’s version of Empire Strikes Back
Solo - hey member Han Solo?
Rise of Skywalker - hey member the Emperor?
The Mandalorian - hey member the original trilogy?
The Book of Boba Fett - hey member Boba Fett?
That’s why I laugh when people say that Disney changed somewhere along the line. No, this was what they were planning to do (minus Rise of Skywalker) from the beginning: feed the fans OT nostalgia because “bad things (ie, the prequels, creative risks) don’t happen in the Empire of the Mouse”
It's, also, not J.J. Abrams only fault. While he co-wrote and directed several elements of this "ride", time and again Disney executives involved in the franchise insisted they knew what they were doing, that several "strange choices" (to put them mildly) were intentional and that they were not taking them back or making corrections in any way, shape or form.
Even at some point Disney's offical position was (or at least they let someone make that statement) that they were giving the fans "what they needed, not what they wanted" (and that had to be appreciated). And, on top of that, they insisted on the way they were doing things... something that generated mixed responses (from those who argued this hurt/killed the franchise to those who argued fans are trapped in the past and they are toxic with new experiences).
It should be noted, though, that not all Star Wars' Disney related productions suffered this same backlash and criticism, even when they used a lot of the same elements the new trilogy was accused of botching (the use of nostalgia, nods to characters in the original series, new characters, some diversity issues...).
It's still in the air if all the weird choices and surreal context were entirely Disney's fault, just the production team's fault, the writers' fault, the fandom's fault (for not appreciating what they were given) or everyone was at fault at some point and, in the end, the trilogy paid the price for being the most visible part of the battleground.
@@DocuzanQuitomos that third paragraph is why I laugh at the so-called “fandom menace” and their lip service boycotting of Disney. When the chips fell, they were, and always shall be, loyal Disney consumers. Makes me wonder if they were ever really objecting to Disney’s practices, or if they were grifting dissatisfied fans (like myself) to make a profit.
@@OneTrueVikingbard They're clueless... or should I say only picking up on the _distractions_ - not the substantive clues.
so, disney is anything but innovative.
"He might never be his old self again" is a reference to Artoo's actor dying. Also, Poe was supposed to die but Oscar Isaac just Oscar Isaac-ed himself into a larger role.
I suspected he used his manly wiles and danced himself into getting his character saved.
He is very hunky
No it isn't, the actor died a year after this movie came out...
The Last Jedi split the fanbase. We all unanimously agree that Rise of Skywalker is trash.
"maybe its just lazy writing" "i feel like its an exact carbon copy" well it is a jar jar abrams movie
When I first saw this I was wondering in the finale how they were going to manage Rey beating Kylo Ren because she obviously would but also not have him die or captured and I laughed out loud when the chasm opened up separating them.
*Me seeing a new Nat Vid:* "Ooo!"
*Me seeing this movie path she's starting down:* "Oh.. eh.. I'll still watch."
Yes, BB-8 is super cute!!! He's still my favorite droid.
Get ready to see more of Oscar Isaac soon. He's joining the MCU as the Moon Knight. The new series will premiere late this month.
Also, Obi-Wan Kenobi is coming this May and Ahsoka is also on the way.
Finally, Cassian Andor from Rogue One will have his own show as well. It'll be titled Andor, and it takes place five years before Rogue One.
Furthermore, we've yet to see Andor but it's already getting a second season.
Natalie is so on point with everything we complained about 8-9 yrs ago
This is my favorite of your reaction videos. The sheer frustration is joyous to watch on someone other than myself for a change lol
Exactly😂
That seems like a toxic mentality to have. I hope you're okay.
All the things you called out (repeated storyline/lazy writing/Han back to smuggling/Rey being overpowered/Rey and Leia’s intimate moment coming out of nowhere) were so spot on. You’re starting to tap into what annoyed so many fans. Yep it’s fun and looks fantastic but it’s just a whole lot of nothing.
I'm always grateful when I see reactors who have watched the first 6 movies also watch the sequel trilogy. A lot of people skip them because of things they have heard from people but I also think it's good for people to make their own minds up!
Gives the wrong impression. If bad writing gets attention they keep doing it. And for a franchise, the writing is the killer in the long run.
@@baronsengir187 Star Wars movies haven't had particularly good writing since the OT, and even that kind of winged it. Just enjoy the saga.
@@brettlissaman4032 I enjoy good writing.
@@baronsengir187 so like 3 of the movies? Ignoring bad writing is not a reason why just the last 3 episodes should be left out. I mean the saga's most iconic character turned evil with a single conversation. There is no reason why just the Sequels should be excluded.
@@brettlissaman4032 exactly, if you watch movies with good writing, objectively, only three of the 9 movies are good.
29:53 at this moment Nat verbalized what a large portion of the movie theater was thinking when this was first released.
'We're repeating the same storyline...'
Yep, that's this film!
Oh, I remember this phase. Sitting back thinking "Ok, we have established that the makers of this movie know the original trilogy. Han's life and death could have been handled better, but it will probably lead to some important character development (Lord knows Kylo/Ben needs it). Ray is a bit much, but they probably have a really good explanation as to why she already seems to know how to use the Force. We'll get it in the next movie".
I was a sweet summer child.....
Then TLJ happened 😔
Yup set up a great movie
Lol I remember being the exact way. It was hard for me to finish watching the second one but I did. Never watched it again
I never watched the 3rd movie or anything about it and don't care to.
The most difficult thing for me is deciding which is worse, the Last Jedi or the Fall of Skywalker. Both are among the worst movies ever made for entirely different reasons.
If you want some more Star Wars content, I’d highly suggest watching the Star Wars animated shows (the clone wars, bad batch, rebels). They take place between some of the movies( clone wars show is between attack of the clones and revenge of the with). But these shows introduce a lot of great characters including Ahsoka, and show more of the world of Star Wars.
Yessss, Clone Wars please 🥺🥺
No thanks. Just stick with the movies.
@@Exlegion19 The shows are canon and will be more important the longer the live action saga goes, sooo...
Asokha is perfection, she has one of the best character arcs of Star Wars and Clone Wars is some of the best Star Wars content since the OG trilogy
@@Exlegion19 The shows are better than half of the movies.
Something I find kinda interesting is that kilo rens lightsaber has the flakey texture due to the way it was created. Basically when you turn to the dark side you put all your hate into the crystal to make it red. Kilo ren put so much hate into the crystal that it cracked, this causes that texture, but idk why he so mad
Yes Natalie, when they made that movie Rey was supposed to be Leia and Han "secret" daughter, sister of Kylo. That's why she was so good with the force and knew everything about the ship, to the point that Han invited her to work with him. In the second film this would be revealed. They abandoned that idea and in the second movie she would then be Luke's "secret" daughter. Again they changed their minds and the third movie turned into Chaos. I won't tell and give spoilers for the second and third movie.
Nat, less than 4 minutes into the video: "Are we really just doing the same movie again?"
Yes. Yes we are. Because JJ Abrams has never had an original thought in his life. That's why he ...basically undid the whole previous trilogy... We defeated the Empire! ...No we didn't. Han and Leia got together! Nope, they're separated. There's a new Republic! Nope, it was one system, and we blew that up.
So, there was a slight wrinkle this time, in that A New Hope was actually *ABOUT* having to destroy the Death Star. It was in the opening crawl, it was clearly the main plot of the movie. In this movie, the movie is *about* trying to find Luke, that's what's in the crawl, that's the information we're seeking... Then, because JJ has no original thoughts, halfway through, he pulls the Super Death Star completely out of his ass, and the movie becomes about that suddenly, because he's remaking Episode IV, just without any context or setup.
Then, they destroy the Super Death Star... yay! Oh, wait, that wasn't what the movie was about... Crap... Ummm... quick... R2 is there... he wakes up, and he has literally all the information we needed! No, it's not a Deus Ex Machina, shut up!
Yeah... you could say I'm not a fan of JJ Abrams, or this movie.
And it's such a shame too! After he did the first Star Trek reboot I had such high hopes for this film, but you're absolutely right. He came up with a few unique ideas (reformed stormtrooper, Kylo feeling the light side calling him) but overall he just wanted to redo what already existed. And people loved this movie!?!?!?
This was based on geroge lucas's ideas for the story not JJ
@@animegamer0329 based very loosely. They threw out all his treatments for the story in favor of their own
I mean, Mission: Impossible III was superb, but yeah...
All this time and just realized Rey and Leia were basically meeting for the first time hugging. JJ Abrams admitted it was a mistake that she wasn't hugging Chewie instead. Spot on commentary (especially after watching the next two films). Out of all the new films/series, Rogue One was the way to do it, and Mandalorian as well. Looking forward to Taika Waititi's trilogy as well.
Yeah, I was like, "Why the hell is she hugging Rey, who she's never met but barely giving Chewie the time of day?"
@@GUNNER67akaKelt Perhaps the Force told Leia to expect Rey, who would be vital to their cause.
@@mattrismatt LMAO sure, okay.
@@mattrismatt lol, people think they can just be like, "Well...that doesn't make sense if you try to think about it logically, but if the force did blah blah blah, then it would totally make sense and every single plot hole in existence would disappear if you throw 'the force' into it."
@@-hasamastersdegreeinwumbol8565 You hit the nail on the head. Now if we just knew _how_ the Force worked... and better yet, _why_ it worked. The Jedi didn't know - except that it had something to do with _feelings_ and _instincts_ - and it led to their ultimate failure.
I loved your reaction to this movie. Especially how you kept saying this is the same as A New Hope lol. Yeah lots of similarities.
I died laughing at the "Maybe it's midichlorians ", the font was the cherry on top!
“I feel like i’m going insane”
Yeah, that pretty much sums up the sequel trilogy.
After this trilogy, I’d seriously recommend The Clone Wars TV show. There’s a chronological order somewhere that I also recommend you use to watch them in order of the events. The movie is definitely a requirement too. But it’s some of the best Star Wars stuff out there.
@1993DJC that’s not really how serialized series work. What makes the highs as high as they are is the reward for your investing into the lore, the characters and their growth. If you say only watch the siege of mandalore then all you would get out of it is some pretty visuals and references to revenge of the Sith. You have no reason to care about anything happening on screen.
@1993DJC She could do what I've seen other reactors do; dedicate each reaction video to a story arc. 75% of TCW is 3- and 4-part story arcs, with the rest being standalone episodes she could easily combine. It wouldn't be as bad as you might think.
@@artistbuddy I mean, sure? But let's be honest, his storyline is only tenuously relevant to... other things (Mandalore stuff, etc).
Reactor: watches some Star Wars content
Inevitable comment: YOU KNOW WHAT YOU SHOULD DO YOU SHOULD WATCH EVERY EPISODE OF THE CLONE WARS
@1993DJC Entire families would sit down to watch that show. And it does a better job with Star Wars than a lot of Star Wars. It's like creative minds were finally allowed to let loose and tell their own stories within the universe that is Star Wars. And it did so respectfully.
Nat may not watch the show or the entire thing. But I loved every second of that show. What's wrong with watching the seasons over the years? I think it would be worth it. Each episode is a 22 minute runtime. 133 total episodes. Just over 48 hours.
That's roughly 32 episodes if a hour and a half is spent... Hmm, that's actually pretty long. I wouldn't blame her for not tackling it... It's her life, and I'm sure she is busy with a million other things.
"She shouldn't be this good at the force already" - the crux of the main complaints of this trilogy. She's just perfect, everyone tells her so, and earns none of it.
I got completely removed from the story when it became obvious thats where the storyline was going to go afer this. So Annikan, supposedly someone with the highest potential in the force, after years of training in say the clone wars, was still beaten by a trained sith. Yet Rey can dominate even stronger characters with zero training or even knowledge of their own capabilities ... made a fantasy story seem to unbelievable to keep me interested
Two funny cameos in this movie: the character who exchanges junk for food to Rey, is Simon Pegg and the Trooper that Rey hypnotizes to free her is Daniel Craig.
“We know it’s all true. We’ve watched six movies!” It’s important to remember that 19 years passed between Episode 3 and Episode 4 and another 30 years have passed between Episode 6 and Episode 7. In that almost 50 year span, new generations have been born that have only heard stories of The Jedi and The Force but only consider them myth.
exactly. I walked out of this after seeing all of these movies in the movie theater and I was so happy. it definately has problems but yes it gave me all the feels...
Not to mention there was only ever a few hundred Jedi in a galaxy of trillions
@@HyperShadow89 A few thousand at their height, but your larger point stands, yes.
That's dumb as shit. Show me somebody who thinks WW2 was a myth. And it was 80 years ago...
@@user-xx6vy9ri8p Actually there are large group of douches who think the holocause didn't happen as well as people who honestly think the earth is flat. So don't sell humanity short.
"In the hands of your father......han solo"
Man, was really nice of snoke to remind kylo who his dad is. That's some fantastic dialogue not ham fisted at all 🙃
They pretty much scream "Han dies at the end!" With that line.
Have you ever seen a Star Wars film? That's the kind of dialogue ALL the time.
@@ComandoPadentro no.... Star Wars has plenty of telegrapging lines, but this was far more ham fisted than usual.
@@ComandoPadentro So your basically saying "Other star wars movies have bad dialogue so it's ok this movie also has bad dialogue!" ....🤷♂️😅
@@55titles12 yes, because no one complains about the shit dialogue fro mthe original trilogy but as soon as the prequels or sequels have some iffy lines they get reamed for it
I swear you made the film make more sense when you explain it
I think this vid perfectly encapsulates the main criticisms of the movie as a whole.
You have to remember that HAN originally didn’t believe in the Force, so his statement that it’s all true showed his character development. He didn’t make that claim for expository reasons.
Yes! When she was ranting about it I was like "c'mon!" 🙄
Thank you! From the bottom of my heart: Thank you!
Honestly I was heavy getting the vibes that she went in to this movie already expecting it to be really bad after the absolute dumpster fire that has been the internet discussion over this trilogy and so she judged everything as hard as possible. I think we broke her ☠️
You found it. The ONE plot point that barely supports the rest of the direction.
@@akorn9943 yeah when she said Tyler hates them I was like well fuck this, she's probably soaked up his dogshit about the movies and already hates them.
Natalie: "Sorry for this intro I know it was kinda rambly, kinda disorganized."
Me thinking quietly to myself: "...like this entire trilogy..."
“We’re just repeating the same story” exactly 😂
By far the most on-point reaction to this movie I've ever seen
im convinced that originally it was always meant to be finn as the jedi. during that first fight he became force sensitive, kind of a force awakening if you will, sensing the pain of those around him broke the conditioning. kylo senses that and on the ship gets phasma to take him in but he escapes with poe. and rey is just meant to be a scavenger, who on a war torn world comes across the millenium falcon and fixes it, han impressed passes it on to her.
But china has some strong opinions about certain uh people of the cast so they changed it.
That seems so plausible that it's annoying to think of what could have been if that wasn't the case lol.
@@Musabre imagine it. A new jedi who was a storm trooper, having to constantly fight the conditioning done to him. the moral dilemma he'd have fighting other troopers. the trust issues from the resistance accepting him.
i feel like in ep 9 Abrams made him at least force sensitive to make up for changing it in 7.
Instead we got Rey.. "wah! who am i?" for 3 bloody movies
Because the prequels garnered a negative reception from fanatical fans, this movie tried to sell itself as being anti prequel. That's why they insisted on only location filming, and thus, we were treated to another dessert planet, two forest planets, Ireland planet and let's not forget grassy feild planet. The imagination involved is truly staggering.
@@ironpatriot-no6lt you don't have to have made a movie to be able to criticize a movie. That's an idiotic way of thinking.
@@ironpatriot-no6lt That's now how criticizing works
@@_the_rizzler that's not how it works "now". I don't need to be a chef to know that I'm eating shit
Blame the Prequels for being so bad they forced this action.
it's a shame they were so reactionary instead of doing something new, but that's what happens when the previous trilogy was so divisive
The prequel got a huge negative reception from critics. Fans just happened to agree.
"It's the same f*cking thing. I think I'm going insane."
Yup!
“Why does she have the lightsaber” and that, well that is still a question lmaooo 😭
34:15 This is one of those that gets repeated over and over, but lest we forget….Luke force pulled his lightsaber (on hoth in the cave) with ZERO training or teaching in how to do that.
Nobody criticizes that, so why is it so wrong when Rey does it? It’s not a blame game, it’s just Star Wars has ALWAYS had this issue, but it only gets brought up in reference to Rey.
He had 3 years to practice since episode 4.
Spoilers:
I think a lot of people also forget that Rey has been Force-linked to Kylo, and that is how she is able to instantly do the same things he can. They have a symbiotic connection. It's arguably a flaw with the story, but there is a reason for why Rey is so powerful.
@@Rocket1377 yes! I didn’t bring this up for the spoilers part, for Natalie’s sake.
@@stalefurset9444 He had three years, but he never even WITNESSED a force push or pull before obi wan died. All he knew was the basic concept of the force, and he saw a mind trick. So when did he even learn that he COULD move something with his mind? He learned that from YODA.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t care that there’s an inconsistency. I think it’s fine that they are powerful with the force, and can do some things innately without training. It was fine when Luke did it. It’s fine when Rey does it.
It should be anyway. People were so annoyed by Rey, but she was just tapping into some basics in this movie through need and willpower. (And also the whole deep force connection thing, but I won’t use that as an argument)
I think that’s totally fine, and that SOME people were mad at her for other reasons. God forbid she use the Space Magic too easily. (Sarcasm) Yet Luke did the same damn thing.
@@HelloTardis Luke did a force pull after practising on his own for 3 years and he still struggled more and took longer to perform it than Rey did on her first attempt on her first day of using the force. I hate the dishonest comparisons between Luke and Rey, Luke was just a main character but Rey is a Mary Sue.
Without spoiling anything, 7 was the fun light blockbuster, 8 was the big artistic swing, and 9 was the big corporate backpedal. That'll give you some context for the trajectory of how these movies were made.
I'd change 7 "hm I remember a new hope, let's make that again"
@@LordSeth-hf8ew or "the safe one"
"artistic", well that's what he tried to go for I guess.
@@stainawarjar TLJ is easily the best of the three whether you agree with the choices or not IMO
@@SnoTangerine 😂 it’s not artistic to try and do shock value 15 times and break the lore because you don’t understand it.
It’s actually insanely lazy, it means RJ is either too lazy or stupid to learn the lore of the franchise. He’s too childish and can’t resist his urge to tell some shitty allegory about war profiteering even when it ruins the story and makes no tense.
It was as artistic as taking a shit on a whiteboard of a pretty picture
I also miss music festivals sooooo much!! You are not alone!! The dirt, the weird food, the beers for breakfeast, the music, the art and the love. I can not wait for summer to arrive!!
Natalie: "WHAT, she just knows the force like that.... already.... I don't like that......" THANK YOU NAT!!!!! it's what we have ALL been saying since the movie came out!!!!
Not me. Luke spent only a few days with Obi-Wan being trained on the trip to Alderaan and then hopped into an X-Wing for his first time ever and took out the Death Star. How was he that good already? They try to play it off with the T-16 back home thing, but a T-16 in a non-combat situation would realistically be very different from a military vehicle in a combat scenario and then blind firing torpedos. It's Star Wars. The protagonists are just naturals.
@@Galiant2010 - that is a fair point, and I have often thought the same thing. The difference is that Luke has at least a little time getting trained by one of the greatest Jedi Masters, and he goes to Dagobah both in ESB and RotJ. Where he receives additional training by another of the greatest Jedi Masters ever... And that is just to get his basic skills with lightsaber and connecting with The Force...
Had it been Luke facing Vader in ANH instead of Obi-Wan, he would have been killed.
Rey holding and defeating Kylo Ren, doing mind tricks on stormtroopers, force jumping.... With no prior training.... no no no...