Man, I looked through the GOTY nominations and i genuinely haven't heard of most of those games, SAP definitely belongs up there. I will stan Psychonauts 2 and Inscryption in any category they're in, and honestly Deathloop really had phenominal sound design.
hi NL since it is thanksgiving I have a confession to make. sometimes when i am at social gatherings that i do not want to be at i put a northernlion video on my phone at low but audible volume and put my phone up to my ear as if someone has called me with an important message. i then pause the video as i put my phone down and say i have to leave
I dont mind a dog just my buff luck with it is a roller coaster of emotions. I had 2 games where it only buffed its attack for 4 rounds in a row it sure hit hard... Once...
Buying a pet gives the dog a random +1, buying a pear gives him +2/+2 for THE SAME PRICE. Yet you skipped over multiple pears in order to buy pets to buff the dog which you immediately sold. You should change that habit if you want to make your dog work more consistently. Even Apples are more gold efficient than a level 1 dog buff.
NL wondering why Super Auto Pets isn't nominated for the Game Awards; it's because there's a time cutoff several months before the awards. It'll be eligible for next year's awards. EDIT: from the game awards wiki "Games eligible for The Game Awards this year must be available for public consumption on or before November 19, 2021. Titles that are released after this date will be eligible for The Game Awards ceremony in 2022."
@@kevinxnelms According to their wiki the cutoff is November 19, so Forza Horizons 5 made it in since it was released November 5th. As for Super Auto Pets, I guess the games publications who nominate these just don't know about it yet. Not even Giantbomb has mentioned it in their podcasts yet.
@@Silas_MN Yeah, I updated my original comment with the exact cutoff date which is November 19, so SAP qualifies. It seems to have flown below the radar of most games publications, even ones I know would like auto battlers. My guess is that it just hasn't hit a critical mass yet because only a few streamers are playing it.
My biggest issue with SAP is how little replay value and opportunity for weird lineups it has. winning with meta builds (early dog, dodo rooster, turkey tiger fly) is incredibly easy and winning with anything bad or a meme is practically impossible. I have played a decent amount, and have gotten to the point at which i have no desire to play the same thing over and over again.
I think if they keep expanding the roster it has the potential to be a really popular and great game, but you're right there's just not enough build variety.
I just can't figure out why he'll spend 2 gold on a buy/sell to get a +1 stat for a dog instead of spending 3 gold on a pear and getting +2/+2. Even if he buy/sells a pig, the pear is a better value.
The entire rant is just proof that awards are useless. Everyone has a different opinion on this.. I like the SAP content but haven't played for a minute myself, even though it's free. Other games I have a hundred hours in, but I never watched someone else play. (he read my comment out loud on twitch saying: 'decent fun but not goty'.) All these awards are just marketing scams.
i agree. it's all just opinions. just because a lot of people share the same OPINION doesn't mean that the other nominees are any lesser if not better to a lot of others
Worse than that, many of the picks at the The Game Awards are there for advertising. The Last of Us 2 won numerous awards last year, beating out Ghost of Tsushima (except in the viewer's choice award, notably; and that actually chafed a lot of critics). This year, Battlefield 2042 was nominated despite the massive number of glitches and terrible reception.
@@blazing910 ghost of tsushima is the perfect execution of open world gaming with a pretty alright and compelling story. This will stand until elden ring might be the new best but for this reason i dont get how you can say it wont hold up in the grand scheme of things
Why is no one talking about the dog buffs in the first game??? He actually got 12 damage "new friend" buff in a row. That's like a chance in 5000 if it's random
about the corsi thing: is there a more general term for that argumentative move, where you try to scrape the bottom of the barrel for some ultimately irrelevant rejoinder that SOUNDS good but is totally worthless?
For the first one I woulda leveled the badger, honey em, and keep dog in 3rd spot so badger damage would smack and double buff ox. Probably wouldn't be a winning formula but eh.
Games like Isaac or Slay the Spire are mechanics driven, but they have so much variation on the core mechanics with extra difficulties, extra characters, extra modes, etc. SAP is great for what it is, and there's no better price than free, but it's just too simple to really be in contention for anything imo. Clearly it's struck a chord with some people, and that's awesome, all respect to the devs, but it's a game with no story, limited graphics, limited soundtrack, and not a great deal of depth. It's great for what it is, but it's silly to argue that it's being overlooked as some kind of classic. NL is just contrarian.
Honestly, the fact that he's pissed that people don't respect mechanics-driven games, when he doesn't respect story-driven games is peak irony. I agree that SAP is a brilliant game, but as you say it doesn't do nearly enough to be a GOTY contender. I'm not sure why NL is allergic to sentences, but here we are.
@@WaterCat5 He is 100% serious; to him mechanics are everything. Which is why he's played more Isaac than most people have been alive, and why you can't find most of his Mass Effect 2 vods. I'd honestly have no issue with his opinion if he wasn't so up his own egg about it.
@@samuellawson1425 I understand that story-driven games aren't his personal taste and also don't necessarily line up with his type of content. It's way easier to banter and engage with chat and run the casino when playing something like SAP than it would be playing something like Nier Automata or DIsco Elysium, and he's gotta make the content that works for him, especially because the majority of the content is taken from the VODs now. That's fine, and I get it. I prefer games with a hefty amount of story, but I also got into this channel through Baba Is You and Isaac, so clearly something's working. I agree though that the consistent jabs at any level of story in games is just like, a played-out caricature at this point. NL really seems to take it that any story is cringe and a distraction from the real point of the game. Even with Inscryption, it felt like his attitude was "this story is stupid and a waste of time, just give me the mantis god and urayuli."
@@Raistlin1040 I agree that he has to play what works, and should play what he likes. I also have no issue with him not liking story-based games, even though I love them, but as you said it does seem like he's been intentionally obtuse and almost aggressive with his vitriol towards them. The awards rant honestly sounds like a child who didn't get a toy that he wanted.
I play indie for the mechanics. AAA games were/are often so watered down and uninteresting mechanically, because risk. I don't play games for eye candy. Super Auto Pets is a diamond despite it's simplicity. It has no barriers to entry, not financially, visually or by complexity. It has a great PvP system for mobile users as it doesn't require a steady connection, you never have to wait for an opponents turn, and it's something like a asynchronous endless tournament which means you can pause and come back whenever you want to complete your "run". It has great replayability. It could even be a great title for young gamers.
The checking firebase dependencies problem on android seemed to stop after I updated the app. For some reason it wasn't set to automatically keep the app up to date for me.
I voted SAP for GOTY on steam because I enjoy playing the game and watching these videos, but honestly I don't think I bought a new game this year. I find myself just playing games I already have and not really caring for new releases anymore
11:00 your missing this really important thing, it needs either story or mechanics to be GOTY, but Super auto pets has neither. im sure i have played 10 variations of SAPs
SAP isn't doing anything groundbreaking but I think it's simplistic approach to the autobattler genre is worthy of praise. Also, while its mechanics are simple, it is quite deep in terms of strategy. Just look at how the meta evolved since NL first started playing it. I definitely think it should get more recognition. tl;dr buy me, juice me, game awards me, you piece
The "groundbreaking" argument is the excuse from the argument. People don't usually look for innovativity, almost never. Most good games are either hits within an established genre or sequels/remakes. There are exceptions of course, the weirdos, like "Papers, Please" or "Death Stranding" come to mind. juice me, sell me, friiiiigggg, buy me, save me
After a day of tired holiday conversations SAP is like a breath of fresh air.
Preach brother
Preach it
Well true I've been struggling in life.
And this is a way I cope with it.
Remembering God is always good . :(
@@jesusislord9116 you’ll bounce back in time, keep trying your best man
Just an ounce of banter would’ve been so nice. Sub-par conversations only
Northern's game crashing while he is talking about SAP game of the year would've been great
NL running dodo rooster just to lose to turkey tiger fly is true proof of the existence of karma.
no tiger just lvl 3 rooster
you LOVE to see it
HE CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THE BISON-SELL LEVEL 3-IMMEDIATELY GET LEVEL THREE
It hurts my soul how much he gets away with.
your just jealous of his gamer luck
@@alphiiiii shut up
sussy
Turn 2 dog with garlic armour
“Tell me you don’t like fun without telling me you don’t like fun”
-NL when he saw a dodo rooster build one time
Every time
Game Awards is like if Marvel movies got nominated for every Oscars category
@Karon Nuva good point
30:18 Ho-lee shit that is probably the best build i've ever seen. You can't even be mad to lose to that, that is top tier RNG.
Like actually insane “you couldn’t theory craft a better build” tier god damn son
Anyone gonna forget that this is the 100th video of SAP? Thank you NL for the crazed content
Not forget, but I don't many people are keeping count.
SAP will only get a GOTY nomination if Chris Pratt voices every animal, or if it gets a Battle Royale mode tbh 👀
Isn't Arena battle Royale? And about the Chris Pratt part, he should only voice the "giraffe"
That fly, turkey, deer build might be the best spam build I’ve ever seen.
29:45
“Sell all of your pets and restart? Ah the bootstrap build”
Lmao had me rollin
13:36 glad to see the "dont care didnt ask" meta making a come back
turkey flies... not a fan of the thanksgiving leftovers strat.
One thing I’ll say about NL, he does not mind stealing bread from the mouths of decadence.
Man, I looked through the GOTY nominations and i genuinely haven't heard of most of those games, SAP definitely belongs up there.
I will stan Psychonauts 2 and Inscryption in any category they're in, and honestly Deathloop really had phenominal sound design.
Actually slapped my face when he sold his lv3 otter at 23:22, he buys a bison and consequently takes away its scaling
hi NL since it is thanksgiving I have a confession to make. sometimes when i am at social gatherings that i do not want to be at i put a northernlion video on my phone at low but audible volume and put my phone up to my ear as if someone has called me with an important message. i then pause the video as i put my phone down and say i have to leave
That is incredible tech
The introvert game has just changed
For real though there should be a category for best gameplay loop
Holy cow that turkey fly deer roster build with a lot of 1ups lmao
For you, it was a clutch Bison
For Bison, it was -Tuesday- Thursday
holy shit that dog attack/hp rolls was a gigantic statistical anomaly
i’m way too lazy to count but it seems he rolled attack like 15 times in a row
I dont mind a dog just my buff luck with it is a roller coaster of emotions. I had 2 games where it only buffed its attack for 4 rounds in a row it sure hit hard... Once...
Had a 3/17 dog, literally usless
Listening to NL rant about Super Auto Pets not being nominated for VGAs gave me life this morning 😂😂😂
NL is a huge SAP supporter, & i absolutely love it!
People get very passionate about making numbers biggee
I mean, they nominated It Takes Two for game of the year, which i felt had both an original story and fun mechanics. Good video tho Egg Daddy
@UCapfy4yEc815iRViJsZAAzw It certainly has, but there have been some banger games. It Takes Two, Inscryption, SAP are great.
Wtf the guy I replied to deleted his TH-cam account?
Yo this guy is cursed, no one leave a comment for them to reply to
@@draconocor that is so funny lmfao they just gone
@@draconocor so that's how you spell Inscryption
21:03 this man spitting bars
Buying a pet gives the dog a random +1, buying a pear gives him +2/+2 for THE SAME PRICE.
Yet you skipped over multiple pears in order to buy pets to buff the dog which you immediately sold. You should change that habit if you want to make your dog work more consistently. Even Apples are more gold efficient than a level 1 dog buff.
Nothing more frustrating than seeing NL combine 2 mons and run a 4 squad instead of simply waiting next turn to combine and running all 5
NL wondering why Super Auto Pets isn't nominated for the Game Awards; it's because there's a time cutoff several months before the awards. It'll be eligible for next year's awards. EDIT: from the game awards wiki "Games eligible for The Game Awards this year must be available for public consumption on or before November 19, 2021. Titles that are released after this date will be eligible for The Game Awards ceremony in 2022."
Forza came out LAST WEEK and still got nominations. This is just factually wrong.
Except Inscryption got nominated and came out after SAP
@@kevinxnelms According to their wiki the cutoff is November 19, so Forza Horizons 5 made it in since it was released November 5th. As for Super Auto Pets, I guess the games publications who nominate these just don't know about it yet. Not even Giantbomb has mentioned it in their podcasts yet.
@@Silas_MN Yeah, I updated my original comment with the exact cutoff date which is November 19, so SAP qualifies. It seems to have flown below the radar of most games publications, even ones I know would like auto battlers. My guess is that it just hasn't hit a critical mass yet because only a few streamers are playing it.
My biggest issue with SAP is how little replay value and opportunity for weird lineups it has. winning with meta builds (early dog, dodo rooster, turkey tiger fly) is incredibly easy and winning with anything bad or a meme is practically impossible. I have played a decent amount, and have gotten to the point at which i have no desire to play the same thing over and over again.
Just run sniper build, most op fun win i’ve ever gotten. Doesn’t work too often but it certainly can.
@@namavoid3266 my favourite build! The feeling of a 50/50 lvl3 leopard tiger that obliterate turkey fly is just... *chef kiss* 🥵
I think if they keep expanding the roster it has the potential to be a really popular and great game, but you're right there's just not enough build variety.
you can't run turkey, tiger, fly. there's not enough room on the roster for them all to fit effectively.
I just can't figure out why he'll spend 2 gold on a buy/sell to get a +1 stat for a dog instead of spending 3 gold on a pear and getting +2/+2. Even if he buy/sells a pig, the pear is a better value.
tunnel vision
The last build he ran if you get it it’s pretty much gonna get you 7-9 wins but never ten cause it falls off a cliff
especially if you can't find an good units because you froze a bison for like 50 rolls
wait that wasn't the last build. lol
The entire rant is just proof that awards are useless. Everyone has a different opinion on this.. I like the SAP content but haven't played for a minute myself, even though it's free. Other games I have a hundred hours in, but I never watched someone else play. (he read my comment out loud on twitch saying: 'decent fun but not goty'.) All these awards are just marketing scams.
i agree. it's all just opinions. just because a lot of people share the same OPINION doesn't mean that the other nominees are any lesser if not better to a lot of others
Worse than that, many of the picks at the The Game Awards are there for advertising. The Last of Us 2 won numerous awards last year, beating out Ghost of Tsushima (except in the viewer's choice award, notably; and that actually chafed a lot of critics). This year, Battlefield 2042 was nominated despite the massive number of glitches and terrible reception.
@@internetcrusader2419 I don’t think Tsushima will hold up in the grand scheme of things also just a bad year to be fair
@@internetcrusader2419 I also think that botw god of war and sekiro were all the right picks honestly
@@blazing910 ghost of tsushima is the perfect execution of open world gaming with a pretty alright and compelling story. This will stand until elden ring might be the new best but for this reason i dont get how you can say it wont hold up in the grand scheme of things
When he gets passionate about things its the funniest lmao
8:01 This line was the culmination of the entire indie game rant and it sent me to the moon
Edit: Never mind, it kept getting better
Happy Thanksgiving NL! Thanks for the content!
I was so confused because thanksgiving was almost a month and a half ago then I realized it’s not just Canadians watching hahahah
@@scotch4577 yea after commenting i was like...he's canadian lmao
ive heard about this james corden isaac episode so much, please link, i must see
yes me too
I got my mom and grandma into super auto pets during Thanksgiving lol thanks for the content
SAP should win awards. Source: dude just trust me
Wow the ranting gave me second hand anger this man has a gift
I lost my mind when he sold the lvl3 at 24:00. I died laughing
Half of this is NL making the same noises he'd make with Luna, and I'm all for it. +2
This episode's commentary was goated
SAP got a article on RockPaperShotgun yesterday, AND NL was specifically credited as the vector the author found the game!
TGA is becoming the Oscars of the gaming scene. It's a necessary evil. The only thing you can do is get on the nominations board and argue it
12:52 do people let you get away with these techniques when you have discussions with them in real life?
Why is no one talking about the dog buffs in the first game???
He actually got 12 damage "new friend" buff in a row. That's like a chance in 5000 if it's random
you can tell NL is a grown ass man because he doesn’t always go with the innuendo team name
That one up turkey fly build in the middle of the video was just insane. Wtf.
The nine inch nails reference had me dead
I mean having a game with bad graphics and good gameplay is literally the reason I play things like factorio and dwarf fortress
The more I watch NL the more the gears in my brain turn. More? Faster? There aren't any gears any brain but thanks for the frontal lobe stimulation.
I feel like Northernlion's life as a streamer is like the entire backstory for the Chatterer from Hellraiser. Both have such a way with words.
8:01 it's your Canadian self speaking, it's not needlessly rude, what you're saying is so true.
11:10 he was pretty close to saying "don't give me fellatio"
God this man is spittin about game awards hell yes
10:35 put some respect on the Metroid franchise. Do you understand what it's like to wait 14 years for a good title to be released?
Oh.. my.. god..
He sold his level 3 just to regain it in the next round.. AGAIN
I can barely get lvl 3's, let alone this madness!!
NL going off is my favourite thing in the world
PREACH
Game awards are advertising and nothing more
(but we still care for some reason)
I would love to see you do a “Bootstrap Brawl” with some other streamers- I think it would be really interesting and put a lot of importance on cans
love the rant
Skunk is so good. Wish there was more respect for it
Bruh the SAPCU timeline got me all fucked up, has the dodo been nerfed yet or is this from pre guest Andy hours
about the corsi thing: is there a more general term for that argumentative move, where you try to scrape the bottom of the barrel for some ultimately irrelevant rejoinder that SOUNDS good but is totally worthless?
I've seen a more clutch Bison
You wouldn't know him though
For the first one I woulda leveled the badger, honey em, and keep dog in 3rd spot so badger damage would smack and double buff ox. Probably wouldn't be a winning formula but eh.
49:25 Turns out 2 scorpions indeed would've been better.
Games like Isaac or Slay the Spire are mechanics driven, but they have so much variation on the core mechanics with extra difficulties, extra characters, extra modes, etc. SAP is great for what it is, and there's no better price than free, but it's just too simple to really be in contention for anything imo. Clearly it's struck a chord with some people, and that's awesome, all respect to the devs, but it's a game with no story, limited graphics, limited soundtrack, and not a great deal of depth. It's great for what it is, but it's silly to argue that it's being overlooked as some kind of classic. NL is just contrarian.
Honestly, the fact that he's pissed that people don't respect mechanics-driven games, when he doesn't respect story-driven games is peak irony.
I agree that SAP is a brilliant game, but as you say it doesn't do nearly enough to be a GOTY contender.
I'm not sure why NL is allergic to sentences, but here we are.
Yeah, I am honestly confused if NL really believes this or if he is putting on an act. He defends it so vociferously that I have no idea which it is.
@@WaterCat5 He is 100% serious; to him mechanics are everything.
Which is why he's played more Isaac than most people have been alive, and why you can't find most of his Mass Effect 2 vods.
I'd honestly have no issue with his opinion if he wasn't so up his own egg about it.
@@samuellawson1425 I understand that story-driven games aren't his personal taste and also don't necessarily line up with his type of content. It's way easier to banter and engage with chat and run the casino when playing something like SAP than it would be playing something like Nier Automata or DIsco Elysium, and he's gotta make the content that works for him, especially because the majority of the content is taken from the VODs now. That's fine, and I get it. I prefer games with a hefty amount of story, but I also got into this channel through Baba Is You and Isaac, so clearly something's working.
I agree though that the consistent jabs at any level of story in games is just like, a played-out caricature at this point. NL really seems to take it that any story is cringe and a distraction from the real point of the game. Even with Inscryption, it felt like his attitude was "this story is stupid and a waste of time, just give me the mantis god and urayuli."
@@Raistlin1040 I agree that he has to play what works, and should play what he likes. I also have no issue with him not liking story-based games, even though I love them, but as you said it does seem like he's been intentionally obtuse and almost aggressive with his vitriol towards them.
The awards rant honestly sounds like a child who didn't get a toy that he wanted.
how did the ”i want to buy an animal” go unnoticed by everyone✋😩
I play indie for the mechanics. AAA games were/are often so watered down and uninteresting mechanically, because risk. I don't play games for eye candy.
Super Auto Pets is a diamond despite it's simplicity. It has no barriers to entry, not financially, visually or by complexity. It has a great PvP system for mobile users as it doesn't require a steady connection, you never have to wait for an opponents turn, and it's something like a asynchronous endless tournament which means you can pause and come back whenever you want to complete your "run". It has great replayability.
It could even be a great title for young gamers.
I use sleepoG when people go to bed in Minecraft before the Creeper can get to them.
The trophies were worth 7, 8, 8, 8, 7, 8, 8, 8, and 8 points respectively. Kind of a weird point system if you ask me, but whatever.
I'm sorry but every time he started talking about "Why no kinda cute emoji animal game for game of the year?" I just fast foward like 3 minutes
The checking firebase dependencies problem on android seemed to stop after I updated the app. For some reason it wasn't set to automatically keep the app up to date for me.
I’m just here for the references
Wasn't there supposed to be a new season of breaking bad. I feel like I heard this recently but this was probably like 5 years ago
I wonder if they aren’t allowed to nominate SAP because it’s assets aren’t original or some bs like that.
Metroid 15.
I wish.
We're waiting for Metroid 6 after 1, 2, super, fusion, and dread.
I voted SAP for GOTY on steam because I enjoy playing the game and watching these videos, but honestly I don't think I bought a new game this year. I find myself just playing games I already have and not really caring for new releases anymore
Based.
The sleepoji/among us bit gave me anxiety
Corsi is a better team stat than an individual one
dude i swear to god im running into cheaters by turn 3 seeing 15+ stat creatures or the last one all animals lvl 3 and im going what the fuck
Juice me squeeze me buy me you piece
Tunnel vision on dog, could have settled for slightly weaker to buff other animals
11:00 your missing this really important thing, it needs either story or mechanics to be GOTY, but Super auto pets has neither. im sure i have played 10 variations of SAPs
late to the party but you're talking about game genres, ain't that easy to just suddenly create a new genre
These two dutch boys paying NL to advocate for game awards.
More conspiracies at 11
11:04 👍
“Sure dune was good but it’s not as good as citizen kane.” 13:01
This episode was hard to watch because of the gameplay banter was top tier tough
got a midroll at 15:00 that opened with a dude snoring. NL is 100% correct about sleepoG
Two devs? Must be why there are server errors every turn. GOTY. But for real I do enjoy watching you play this!
Does NL actually believe that game awards have anything to do with merit?
I wish we were at Metroid 15…
If you count the prime games and the remakes separately then we are technically at Metroid 12.
Please someone link me the tom green clip of him laughing at the guy at the temple.
My question is how would you use a level 3 snail. Like you can't lose that many times without being done.
You can buy more than one each time. I think in one episode nl bought 3 in one round after losing.
@@Itried77 Good point I guess it would be the odds of getting 6 snails over 2-3 loses.
SAP isn't doing anything groundbreaking but I think it's simplistic approach to the autobattler genre is worthy of praise. Also, while its mechanics are simple, it is quite deep in terms of strategy. Just look at how the meta evolved since NL first started playing it. I definitely think it should get more recognition.
tl;dr buy me, juice me, game awards me, you piece
The "groundbreaking" argument is the excuse from the argument. People don't usually look for innovativity, almost never. Most good games are either hits within an established genre or sequels/remakes. There are exceptions of course, the weirdos, like "Papers, Please" or "Death Stranding" come to mind.
juice me, sell me, friiiiigggg, buy me, save me
i don't understand why he won't get a flea when he gets destroyed by the flea
Top notch rants in this video 🤣
What game of the year list was he referring too?
Bruh are they gonna drop SAP on IOS