Use code IDFANTASY50 to get 50% off your first Factor box at bit.ly/3sZoMri ! So, with all this said, what do you guys think really happened at the end of Security Breach? Did Gregory beat Princess Quest, or was he escaping the influence of Glitchtrap? Wouldn't be the first time something like this has happened in the series lol
I truly think what actually happened isn't shown in the games. If burntrap ending didn't happen, then why isn't burntrap there? Why is the pizzaplex ruined? Why are all 4 of the animatronics destroyed? But princess quest or the one where vanny dies HAD to have happened due to several objects in ruin
Your theories are sooo much better than MatPat and others. I like your logic. It's always sound. Somehow. Lol. IDK how ya do it, but you could be the next MatPat! Haha.
To some extent id say they are half truths, and that maybe some of the endings werent literal? Vanny unmasked, and the pizzaplex is ruined (maybe not literally in fire lol)
Given the repeated themes of people being trapped in AR/VR from the books, I actually really like the idea that each ending of Security Breach is a different “night” for Gregory. Could the reason Princess Quest doesn’t get a comic is because it’s the last “night” Gregory experiences before finally escaping?
Only thing is, with the Burn trap ending, the pizza Plex burns down, so he would have to be stumbling through a burned down pizzaria for the Princess Quest ending. I think it makes more sense for him to have experienced the Burn trap ending last.
There is 6 endings to the base game and Fnaf 1-6 have 6 shifts you go through so its entirely plausible each ending is the equivalent of a night shift for Greagory.
@@hedwigon6951if it’s in AR/VR I don’t think Pizzaplex needs to have actually burned down for that ending to be seen. I think Fire Escape would have the same problem as well if it were a problem.
I think it’s so weird that people collectively decided that prototype Freddy is irrelevant to the story. Like, they are still arguing about whether or not that is the real Freddy, but until this video, I had never seen someone realize that maybe the random Freddy that appears is important to the story other than the implications of which ending is true.
@@IDsFantasyim kinda burnt out from the lore atm ,plus mat pat is producing significantly less theory’s now than 2014-2018 i still watch some stuff but the break in content is relaxing compared to the first 5-6 games across what 2-3 year but i agree about freddy
I always thought that freddy being a prototype would just explain why he was so resistant to Vanny, but I like the idea that his head specifically being the prototype doesn’t change that. But its so interesting to know that Ruin deliberately keeps the endings vague
The thing that always bugged me about the “Princess quest is canon” idea was the prototype written in Freddy’s foot because it’s just too weird and specific to be “just a design change” at least to me
It could also just be a writing, that got revealed after paint on the legs chipped away Him being prototype might explain the beginning of the Security Breach, somehow
i heard supposedly someone asked steelwool about that and they said that it was the same freddy as the base game though i could be wrong, just supposedly it happened in a Q&A
Yeah I don't know why people are so okay with the idea that they'd just retcon something like that on the fly. It'd be super lazy, especially because they easily could've added it to the base game model.
There’s not much of anything to say this isn’t the real Freddy. Could just be that his foot had Prototype pained over and because the paint was worn out it shows now
There are two things I think are interesting to point about the occipital transmiter thing the mask implants in Cassie: If this is something needed for high level technicians, and or is similar to how glitchhtrap was able to force his influence on Vanessa and Gregory for a while, then there isn't absolutely any thing reliably narrated in this era of the games anymore. Things can happen but absolutely no event depicts what we think they do at any point. The second thing that bothers me is their use of occipital. That means base of your skull, nape of the neck almost. A mask that fits only your face at most should not reach there unless it has extra arms or it implants it by impaling your skull. Which makes me think the implant ACTUALLY goes into either the frontal or temporal lobes rather than the occipital lobe or cerebellum. Does this have any lore relevance? Probably not unless it's some 4d chess reference to biting off someone's frontal lobe
yeah i feel the same about the mask. also, how exactly does Cassie get unable to take off the mask sometimes? how does it get bound to her face in the first place?
This is a result of the overcomplicating of the story past UCN. Most things don’t make sense anymore, and it’ll take Sherlock Holmes to solve anything.
@@IDsFantasywhat if it's not a VR mask, but rather a helmet in the real world. From the beginning of the DLC it's clear that we are in a virtual world. From seeing our avatar not in a first person view at the beginning to going through objects that do not connect to one another. Sure Security Breach opens up from the perspective of Gregory, and then switches to the perspective of Freddy. However the beginning of RUIN doesn't have this... instead we see who we play as from a video game starting point perspective (similar to how Crash Bandicoot starts on the PS1). On top of this Cassie's cardboard cutouts are a different race than the avatar of her we play as. Indicating that it's not the real her we saw at the beginning but instead a poorly made copy of her real life appearance.
@@anti-usernamesaltaccount3623she and john are on the same level for me. I take MatPat's word a bit more seoriously because he has multiple opinions to resort to, but like... some of those opinions are john and ID so
@@func_e I like her because she treats her theories like there’s theories while everyone else treats their theories like if they’re facts thinking that they’re always right 🙄
I like this theory it’s bittersweet. I’m not sure if anyone’s looked at it from this way. How could Gregory draw burn trap if he didn’t know how he looked
Not entirely true at least in the case of the Monty bit, Markiplier knew Monty was a hero from the very beginning! (This is a joke, I really agree with you)
I like the theory that all the endings happen, but Gregory is trap in a loop with his sense being messed with. Though could suggest that the princess quest was the real ending, each drawing is a path he took trying to escape. Figuring out he was trapped in a loop, he drew the endings he experience to remind him of the paths he tried. The only one not drawn is the path that worked, or the path that broke his mind and gave complete control over to Glitch trap.
Funny how some people still disagree with her in the comment section when her theory makes logical sense still saying it’s confirmed No it’s not confirmed just because you see it in the game doesn’t mean it’s confirmed
The track the plays when you’re playing princess quest is called caught in a loop. That can’t be a coincidence. If all the other endings are supposed to be Gregory being caught in a reality that is repeating itself.on a side note i noticed something with the princess quest title theam is an obvious recreation of though the cracks from Freddy in space but if you combine the two into one track you get the princess quest title scene music but with the ticking of a clock in the background witch is pretty interesting.
I really like the point you made about false realities! Matpat made a point in a theory a while back that he thinks that when Scott referred to a FNAF project called "Into Madness" it was referring to this 'era' of fnaf rather than one specific project, and I'm becoming more inclined to agree with that. We cannot be totally certain anymore of our protagonist's perception of reality. And with the mimic, we also cannot be totally certain that everyone is who they seem to be anymore. I think that Cassie was unable to take off the mask at times not because it was somehow stuck, but rather that it's yet another case of her perception being altered by the Glitchtrap virus. I'm also somewhat beginning to think that times when she seemed to travel through portals or entrances that shouldn't exist were perhaps times where she was momentarily blacking out as the virus temporarily took control. I'm curious if this is gearing up for Cassie to end up becoming a second Vanny, or something similar.
True. It make RUIN Really scary now…. When hearing that Secret Staff bot line in RUIN…..is it Gregory? Or is Cassie just going into madness that she hallucinates It. During the Monty boss fight in RUIN, Cassie’s opens the first door and we hear Monty Roar…..look behind and there’s nothing………probably just game design……..but is Cassie spiraling deeper into Madness that she hallucinates that’s he’s there?????
The Helpi savepoints manipulating Gregory's perceptions theory might also explain the design decision to have savepoints disabled after 6 am. It was an attempt at integrating the game mechanics into the story. (so the one active savepoint after 6 is a gameplay-related retcon).
I had never believed in a second prototype freddy before this point and had always assumed due to the first-glance evidence that monty attacked bonnie but I could never shake how in Monty's ride, it seems made clear that Monty actually likes bonnie and dislikes freddy and why it is that bonnie would have damage that looks identical to what monty goes through after falling from the catwalks due to the hurricane bucket. your theory actually explains very well why bonnie would have that damage, why monty seems to like bonnie but hate freddy, and all the other holes in the commonly believed "monty killed bonnie to take his place" theory. great vid as always!
I think Bonnie and Monty might have been friends or were working on an act together i.e acting like they are fighting and that was where they would meet to plan it out
My personal theory is that the drawings were somehow connected to Gregory's therapy sessions. Some therapist will encourage kids to draw as a way of expression when they ve been traumatized to the point of shutting down/ not communicating as a way to tell their story. I believe that the endings each have a piece of truth to them. A lot of people tend to skip over the AR game ... where glitchtrap (in Vanessa's body ) googled 'how far can a human be cut in half before dy>ng', which makes me think the Gregory's escape ending may have happened First & is how he was captured, he saw his parents get knocked off and ran to hide.
Great theory :D I'm not sure I 100% agree with the Glamrock Bonnie stuff but I definitely think there's something weird up with the stupid amount of dream imagery in both Security Breach and Ruin. No matter what the actual "truth" of the story is, I definitely think large chunks of what we experienced in those games weren't real, or at least didn't happen the way we experienced them. Like you pointed out, there is just way too many Tales stories straight up pointing this direction, coupled with all the dream and nightmare imagery (still one of my favorite interpretations of that Fnaf 4 bedroom door in the Endo section of Security Breach is that it's trying to say "Don't wake up" as it shows a girl in bed, awake, with a big slash through it).
I think rather than the Mask/Chip putting objects in Cassie's way, it's the Pizzaplex itself. Whenever you look at the walls with the mask, there's a bunch of circuits on them as if the entire mall was one big computer. A computer that can generate virtual objects throughout the mall in replacement for the lack of real objects. It would explain why some objects look real in VR while the same objects next to them look to be made of raw data and why Cassie can warp to different locations in the Pizzaplex as if the computer were generating shortcuts for her/the Mask. However, when the Blob tore its way through the Pizzaplex, alot of these objects got knocked over and code distorted from the damage which is why all the shortcuts are in random places. TLDR, I believe the Pizzaplex itself created the objects blocking her way and not the chip messing with her head.
I personally viewed the "real world" object we go through as hard light projections. We know that in the virtual world, they break into laser wires. Hardened light is theoretically possible in reality. We also know the mask is connected to the Pizzarea's system. A security code could be sent to the system to reduce the energy for the hardened light making them just projections at this point.
Wow, we're going DARK here. And I wouldn't put it past whoever the Pizzeria is the corporate greed-infested psycho pig that's now running Fazbear Entertainment.
I really liked your observations on the ProtoFreddy/Monty/Bonnie mystery! That actually gives that whole side-mystery a narrative purpose instead of it just being an excuse to show what Glamrock Bonnie looked like.
Interesting. This theory would also explain why the animatronics just randomly start looking grungy after a while. Though it doesn't explain breaking the other animatronics and upgrading Freddy multiple times.
It would also explain why the prototype Freddy doesn’t have any upgrades, because it’s a different Freddy! If we are assuming all endings (or at least Burntrap ending, and except princess quest) happened then it would explain why the other prototypes are damaged, Gregory and Freddy broke them like in that ending
@@IDsFantasy But why? And how many spare Monty bodies do they have hanging around? And Roxy's eyes again and again. Why would they not improve things so that Gregory doesn't escape and has to do stuff differently every time. Though this theory is now reminding me of the Nonary Game.
The animatronics look dirtier because of the recharge stations. (Only after 1AM for some reason) You can see it happen to Freddy right after you escape the daycare. When he saves you he's still pristine but when you get out of the recharge station he's a bit dirtier.
As for all the bunny imagery, GGY Gregory uses the pen name Dr Rabbit or Rab, so it's possible SB Gregory also likes rabbits. Similarly, if Gregory is Patient 46 and was also infected by Glitchtrap, how do we know he was fully cured of it? What if Gregory fell back under Glitchtrap's control after the Princess Quest ending?
@IDsFantasy True, for that arcade machine. Glitchtrap is a virus that has spread not only throughout the pizzaplex's network, but also the studio Tape Girl worked for as well as possibly the animatronic delivery service if the notes can be trusted. Therefore, I guess it depends on how realistic or fantasy they want to go with the virus' survivability in various devices spread between multiple different locations. Also, we "see" Glitchtrap die in Princess Quest, but not necessarily in the Pizzaplex as we simply see Vanessa go free, who could have powered down the security bots. So, as you suggested, we might not be interpreting the scene correctly and assumed Glitchtrap was gone when it merely went into hiding. At the end of the day, I'm just spitballing ideas.
The prototype Freddy thing actually makes a lot of sense, and similarly the ‘upgraded’ version of Freddy could be the explanation for why he ended up going into safe mode. The question would be if the prototype was the Freddy that was being used at the time, or was an older copy used to ‘take care’ of Bonnie while ‘our’ Freddy was already in operation.
On the idea that Gregory was basically experience a ‘time loop’ of sorts, in that he experienced every ending, it’s possible that Princess Quest is the ‘final’ ending, with the comic pages representing his ‘memory/dream’ of the previous night’s ending. This would imply some kind of experiment being conducted on Gregory, which actually makes sense considering what we know of Afton. Someone trying to be Afton would totally run experiments.
It has always bugged me that Security Breach has “Five Nights at Freddy’s” in the title despite the fact that the gameplay only covers a single night. If it’s true that Gregory actually did experience multiple nights then it would make a lot more sense.
This was a really interesting theory. It does make me think that the "five nights" part of the game are each ending with the final night (6) that usually unlocks after completing all 5 nights is the true ending. I never thought about looking at it in the perspective of the Princess loosing, but that does make sense as well. I always just assumed the bunny motif was something the AI virus/mimic virus decided would be sort of its calling card.
Yeehaw! I haven't seen someone question the endings at this angle before and I'm definitely here for it! It is weird to me that the endings are somehow comics of Gregory's, and I do assume there's definitely more to the true ending than what we were given up front which is very true to fnaf fashion in my opinion. :)
True and don’t forget that if you choose to leave in SB, the sound that you hear when you complete a mission in SB plays, implying there’s more to the ending and in Vanny’s hideout, a FNAF Theorist pointed out that in RUIN in Vanny’s hideout, theres a giant smear of blood on the wall above Vanny’s bed. Implying that the comic pages in RUIN may have been misinterpreted(by misinterpreted i mean people assuming that they mean they are not canon) and they are part canon.
I'm so happy I'm not the only person who had this thought about what happened with Bonnie and Monty. Perfectly stated so now i can just link this video.
8:53 An interesting thing to note about the claw argument is that it seems likely that Monty would have already had claws, getting Bass-Playing claws doesn't mean that he didn’t already have them, just that if he did, they weren't good for playing bass
Worth noting that Monty is in the spotlight while headless Freddy statue is the the far shadows of the ride like hes hiding. Very well done utilising that observation!!
I always appreciate that your takes are orthogonal to how I've been thinking about the franchise but always make a ton of sense and give my thinking more depth. Definitely rewatching this again after I've thought about it some more.
One thing that has always bugged me is every other game has 5 nights you have to survive versus this one that is just over the course of one night. If all 5 endings happened then you get the twist of him still actively experiencing 5 nights which I think is very satisfying
Great analysis! You've quickly become one of my favorite theorists in the community! Something else to note about Ruined Freddy is the fact that his present box is, obviously, a different color than the present Glamrock Freddy gives Gregory in Security Breach. I've seen plenty of people brush that off as being just a redesign, but there's one key bit of evidence that shows us that's not the case: the Mr. Hippo fridge magnet present box. In both Security Breach and RUIN, the box containing Gregory's free prize is a red box with a blue ribbon. In RUIN, you not only find the box in the exact same location and in the exact same condition, but in the exact same color. If Steel Wool didn't have an issue with recoloring a present box between the base game and the DLC, then this box shouldn't look the same as when we left it. However, it does, and so I'm inclined to believe that Ruined Freddy's present is a different one than Glamrock Freddy's.
Another thing on the presents is there is a pattern to the colors: orange with bolts (Freddy) is key items (minus the watch), green & purple (Monty) is upgrades, green (Roxy's keytar) is plushies and figurines, and pink & blue (Chica and guitar) is masks and posters. The blank yellow are most everything else and 8 gold boxes. There are some outliers: two gold boxes have the Fredbear's Singing Show poster and the Nightmarionne plush (the only of the 10 plush characters not to have a gold variant in base or Ruin, but the box lines up). Plus while perhaps to look more feminine, the Plushbaby box in the daycare also strays from the pattern. (It always has to go back to Charlizabeth, huh?)
Fascinating theory. I also wanted to note the setup of the mobile security camera stations, door locks and mobile security stations as more evidence that staff/techs were there post disaster.
The fact that PREVIOUS and prototype versions of the iconic Glamrock characters exist is VERY interesting, especially since it'd make sense that Fazbear Entertainment would logically want to "build upon", improve, and eventually perfect their animatronics for their customers and patrons. If the previous Glamrock Freddy was ever so slightly more "animtronic-like" or aggressive (or more prone to being hacked and manipulated), that would obviously explain the disappearance of Glamrock Bonnie by Glitchtrap, knowing that Bonnie and Freddy are so close and an unexpected attack would be the easiest way to catch Bonnie off guard AND make it look like Monty did after giving him the bass-playing claws and an aggressive personality could be the perfect cover-up. Also, if the characters really do have advanced personality chips and all that, then maybe Monty wasn't just trying to find Bonnie, but also felt guilty to have lost him and be put in his place to replace Bonnie as the bass player. Maybe that aggression is partially him being angry at HIMSELF for not being fast enough to save Bonnie or find him again. Also also, the concept of characters not being able to escape a false reality and Gregory possibly being part of that cycle is terrifying to think about. This is almost somewhere along the lines of Undertale's "Reset" capabilities, with the characters not remembering the previous happy memories and genocidal tragedies that occurred, and experiencing the same things or similar events over and over again, with the endings being the same, different, or slightly altered apart from each other. Maybe Gregory DID draw these as ways to remember what his previous experiences were, but now the question lies upon whether Burntrap survived The Blob and if both have a reason for still existing here... Great theory video nonetheless, ID! Had to rewind a couple times to fully wrap my head around the theory and ideas and concepts presented in it, but when I fully understood, it all made sense and clicked into place! Brilliant work! :D (Let's hope Matpat watches this and also manages to understand it 😅)
Even if Matpat does watch it and understand it, the ambiguity that exists in FNAF in general, let alone at this time is so great because everything can be discounted on a whim and we have multiple valid ways to interpret the current seemingly conflicting evidence.
@@IDsFantasy i did lol This pretty much cleared everything in ruin now we just need to wait for hw2 (or the movie who knows maybe it will have lore in it)
I really like the exploration of the idea of Gregory having experienced every ending except Princess Quest. I've been wanting to see discussion of that possibility but don't have the time to do so myself so I've been waiting and hoping someone would talk about so I could know how plausible or not it is.
Something like this would make prototype Freddy much more interesting. I would be a little disappointed if prototype Freddy was literally just our Freddy. Additionally, I like the idea that technicians came in and modified the animatronics in order to try and fix them. Just like with Freddy, it would be a little annoying if Roxy had, for seemingly no reason, a different endoskeleton when this is supposedly in direct continuity with the main game. Changes in older games between animatronics worked fine, because the designs were from vastly different games, with loose continuity. However, RUIN is directly connected to Security Breach, and thus shouldn't have any actual changes to the animatronic designs, beyond them being destroyed. If the technician thing is correct, could this be how Cassie's dad dies (allegedly)? I think the problem with this is that, if he died in the pizzaplex to animatronics during this period, Cassie would be terrified of the pizzaplex if they found his body, and/or if they didn't find his body, then Cassie would be at the pizzaplex looking for her dad much earlier than she goes in to look for Gregory.
I absolutely love this theory! I have always been on the side that ruin Freddy isn't our Freddy, and it was nice to finally see a youtuber talking about that. Most other videos on the topic that I've seen just seems to write it off as a change in character design. But, like you said, the addition of prototype on the foot seems way too deliberate. I know some people say that the paint wore off on his foot to reveal that, it really doesn't look like that to me. The word is solid black, doesn't look like there is any paint that was worn off on top of it. And if that were the case, they would have shown it like that. We get an excellent example of worn down paint with Roxy. The strips on her legs are definitely still there in ruin, just very worn down and faded. So we know that if they wanted to show old paint worn down, they would have. You do a really fantastic job with your theories, especially with being able to look at a bunch of evidence objectively. It's fnaf, so of course all of the clues are supposed to be confusing, and it's really good to take a look at all of the possibilities! I hadn't given much thought to anything but princess quest being the canon ending, but this video has me thinking! Looking forward to more theories and discussions!
I just think it's very strange that "prototype" Freddy has the near *exact damage* that SB Freddy had. It would be one hell of a coincidence that SB Freddy met the same fate as his predecessor, and the fact that he's in Fazer Blast, the *same area* where Freddy was torn apart, is highly suspect. Imho, proto Freddy *IS* SB Freddy, and Steel Wool didn't add the different features later, but instead the paint faded with time. As in the prototype text was painted over, but after however long it's been with a headless Freddy wandering around, that paint wore off. Also edit: I paused the video to comment, so I didn't really get the full picture of what you were going for, I just wanted to add my 2 cents. Edit 2: you make very good points about proto Freddy being different and how he was the one to decommission Bonnie. I am so glad that you presented *new* info that I had yet to hear. Although I'm tired of hearing that Monty couldn't have done it because he didn't have the claws, despite the fact that Freddy is ripped to shreds by *STAFF BOTS,* it's good to hear from an angle I didn't even know about.
Except he doesn't have the exact same damage. The staff bots didn't impale Freddy with iron spikes nor did they melt his arm and rip his back apart. That damage is new, plus he wasn't lying on a pile of staff bots in that ending, he was by himself on the floor. The ending itself is inconsistent as well. One moment Freddy's jaw is severely damaged but then he's like new int eh duffle bag? 🤔 Given the AR/VR shenanigans going on I am inclined to believe that NONE of the endings actually happened. Especially with Vanny's graffiti very much present at the very beginning of RUIN, before Cassie got the mask. Vanny is likely still trapped. Something every single person overlooks is how the Princess Quest 3 cabinet scene is set up. Yeah there's a sword in the machine but there's not 1 but 2 glitch traps on the wall by that machine. If Glitch trap was truly defeated, why then is he on the wall?
It’s amazing that Mark was right about Monty actually being the hero. Something that always bothered me about the princess quest ending was “How does Gregory know anything about Springtrap to be able to draw him” this answered my question and confirmed my suspicion that the true ending was “True Ending”
Man it's been a while where a FNAF theory has really turned everything I thought was obvious on its head. Fair play. My one problem with the Prototype killing Bonnie thing is that our Freddie is so distraught about Bonnie's death that it would make me question him only being brought into the picture after Bonnie going missing. I know you mentioned the memory/behaviour trip transplant thing, but that would then make me wonder why prototype Freddy is so aggressive and why transferring the same chip would make him mourn Bonnie so badly.
Wow! This was ride of a theory! It's crazy to me just how deep the lore still goes. Everyone always think the series is over because of FNaF Pizza Sim but it's really intriguing just how the more "obvious story telling" of Ruin can actually be nothing more than red herring.
Glamrock Bonnie is around during The Storyteller. He is indirectly referenced in passing, in a paragraph describing how the virus affected the animatronic mascots associated with each attraction. One of the characters said to be affected is the animatronic mascot of Bonnie Bowl.
If Gregory is in a cycle, then what if there is no comic for princess quest because Vanny didn't expect him to release her, so there was no one to reset him and he could leave with her?
NOOO THE WAY YOU CONCLUDED WITH IT ACTUALLY BEAING FIVE NIGHTS I CANT!!!!! im always surprised at your takes and im starting to believe you have a huge lead as to what is the lore
Interesting theory. I kinda had a small theory that Vanny might have used Freddy to lure Bonnie into Monty golf since Freddy and bonnie were so close. It definitely explains Monty’s behavior on the catwalks since if he did witness what happened, he would want to try and find him. The only question now is who brought Bonnie’s body behind Bonnie bowl and how did it happen without anyone noticing? I also believe the reason the wet floor bots connect to Bonnie due to them also seeing Bonnie being destroyed. I wonder if the kids crying could also indicate that the kids were seeing Bonnie being broken too? What do you think?
i think theres more there with bonnie, you pointed out a lot of things that dont make sense with the common "monty killed bonnie for his spot" but theres even more, most noteably, that bonnie has his own small stage and "green room", which would only really make sense if bonnie was/became a 1 person band and not a part of the core 4, which would indicate that he was replaced before he got "decomissioned" (the Log also mentions him leaving his green room in rockstar row, meaning he would've been moved away after that log) another pretty major point is to do with the stories and details you actually pointed out, they replace and repair glamrocks quite a bit, both by there being broken glamrocks in the sewer within bobbiedots, but also the Log that talks about monty on the catwalks, we know what kind of extreme damage the bucket does to him, and they fixed him up atleast once, likely multiple times if it was a repeated issue. makes no sense to just abandon bonnie awkwardly and not even have an official response to where he is when they can just fix or replace him with a new him
A big issue i see with the whole freddy thing is you said protofreddy is there to be used as a replacement for the broken freddy, but then you also said that in the past the bonnie fight is what broke protofreddy leading them to build our one instead of fixing it, if both are true that would mean that either they used the broken protofreddy from after the fight as a replacement which wouldn't make much sense, or that they fixed the prototype to be used as a replacement instead of fixing the actual freddy which also wouldn't be the smartest choice and even if they did fix the old broken one it would need to be re-broken since in the same place and in the same ways as our freddy on the Vanny ending which it's just a lot of coincidences. One last thing about replacing freddy is when Vanny is interrogating freddy in SB she threates freddy with puting his casing on a different endo until they can "fix" him or whatever, if they had the spare prototype just laying around wouldn't that be a better choice instead of swapping out the endos?.
Well if the Freddy they had was just completely gone, the closest thing they'd have to a functional Freddy is Prototype. Not necessarily. Vanessa's a security guard, not a technician, and they did initially choose to not use Prototype for a reason. Prototype was also already pretty damaged but had his own casing so that could have played a role. Though we also never see Vanessa's threat carried out
DUDE, imagine if the actual lore of Security Breach was that Gregory was being sent on a continuous quest in the AR world where he has to visit the Pizzaplex again and again until he figures out how to free everyone from Glitchtrap? The other endings are things he experienced each time he went back, so he technically did experience them, but they didn't really happen because they were only part of this continuing AR quest. You get star rankings in each ending because Gregory is being told whether he succeeded or not. Vanny's shadow looming over Gregory in the alleyway might not be Vanny about to kill him, but Vanny about to darg him back into the building to restart the night. And don't you think it's weird that he just ended up inside Freddy's stomach? Why would he even go into Freddy's room in the first place? (I realize this probably isn't true in the slightest, but it's a cool idea)
17:52 That's actually a really good point. It's called "Five Nights at Freddy's : Security Breach" after all and the fact that wasn't depicted in the game kinda bothered me. Edit: the last ending could also be considered a sixth night which usually have lore purposes( 2: Jermey, 3: Fazbear frights burning down 4: The I'll put you back together scene 6: The henry speech) I could be wrong though I've never finished any of them
To further follow the idea the "Prototype Glamerock Freddy" is indeed another machine and not just our Freddy's body, I think we have to think about WHY didn't Gregory go with Freddy's full body in "Princess Quest" ending. In the "desassemble Vanny" ending, Gregory sees Freddy 'dying' as the damages done to his body are just too much to stay active (quite strange since Chica survived a FREAKING COMPACTOR but hey, let's say it make sense). The damages done to Freddy in the "PQ" ending are supposely the same, thus, he should be 'dying' too. The fact that Gregory took his head is because his body is now completely unable to move. Disconnecting the head (where we can assume his personality chip and memories are stored) was the only way to "save" him. Some may argue that a head in a bag is also more discrete than a giant robot and that's true but in most endings, Gregory has no problem fleeing with Glamrock Freddy's whole body. Also, if he just need time to reboot, Gregory could have waited as since Vanny was freed (or so he thought if we follow your idea that he "dreamed" of the endings), he would have no direct threats. And it's showed in Ruin that rebooting a bot takes from a few seconds (Eclipse) to a bunch of minutes (Roxy). He could have waited. Thus, the simple fact that the Prototype is FUNCTIONAL is IN ITSELF a clue telling us it's not our Freddy's body but something else. Also, even if Gregory "thought" Freddy was too damaged to move but was wrong, we know for a fact that Freddy's battery is incredibly low due the circomstances of SB. So, it is even more unlikely that our Freddy's body would even have enough battery to stand since all this time. All in all I really like your theory, even if I am a bit dubitative with the Idea of Gregory being caught in a 5 nights loop. Like, wouldn't the bots remember him ? If he kept collecting their parts, would Freddy still be as "ignorant" as he is that theses parts belonged to his friends ? Would Roxy still be standing in the raceway if she was hit by a go-kart 4 times already ? (I'll admit Chica's food obsession would probably make her do the same mistake over and over and... We could argue that Monty would just be so angry that he keeps following Gregory in the catwalk persuaded that he will win "this time"... I guess ?) Also, even if I like the idea of Prototype Freddy being another machine, I think the "blatant retcon" is something that unfortunatly already happened in SB. Maybe you know this already but when SB first came out, the Princess's sprite (from the Princess Quest arcade game) was named "Cassidy.png" in the files. The reference to UCN was obvious : a female golden character preventing a somewhat purple-colored rabbit thing to escape from his eternal prison. However, the name was simply changed in newer updates, renaming it as "Princess.png" (the wiki even states the exact version of this change if I remember correctly), litteraly retconning a potential reference. Maybe was it because Cassidy was meant to be in the game but was cut. Maybe was it because they weren't sure about Glitchtrap being the Mimic or not at that time. I don't know, but unlike Scott has said, this game DEFINITIVELY have some retcons. (Finally, sorry if that's too much to answer but I'm curious about your take about the books canonicity. Some theorists considers the Tales From the Pizzaplex to be 100% canon, some consider them to be clues on some things but not all, some consider them to be completly different timelines with little to no link to games. I'd like to know your stance about this.)
I do still think that the Princess is Cassidy tbh, and I don't really consider it a retcon that it was removed since I don't think any story was contradicted. I actually have a video about the books and what I think about their canonicity! It's the full-length video released right before this one
@IDsFantasy Oh, I'm sorry. I just discovered your channel (from RyeToast's video actually), I should have at least checked before commenting (even more when you state the Cassidy.png thing in some of your shorts). But I seen some other videos of yours now and I must say I really like your theorizing style. You have made me look at some things completly differently with your bold propositions filled with actually clever arguments (the "Glitchtrap is Afton AND Mimic" and the "Prototype Freddy did the Bonnie killing" being my favorites).
My theory for a long time before ruin came out was the Burntrap one. I just felt like the others wouldn’t make sense, since when you go for the ending you find the Fnaf 6 pizzeria. You enter with Freddy and he starts to talk. He mentions about someone.., describing how angry they are. That’s when we figure out that kids had been killed here. If we remember in another ending, Gregory was sleeping in a box with newspaper on him, and it showed Missing with a few pictures of children. I kept thinking the Burntrap ending was the ‘true’ ending and when Ruin came out it caused me to believe it even more. In ruin you also notice that the animatronics looked horribly destroyed, which only 2 would be destroyed in some endings, and the three would be destroyed in Burntrap and possibly one more. The animatronics looked worst then before, and then you explained how Glamrock Bonnie could have been killed and the rest all in your video!
The fact that fnaf has the ability to recontectualize and make us rethink an entire game just by small details in another game is both one of its greatest strengths and weaknesses. On one hand, it keeps people talking and keeps the lore intreguing, while on the other hand its frustrating how the community can think its finally gotten something fully set in stone, that it can use to fully piece this story together but oh wait, this small detail potentially shatters that and makes it into yet another thread that needs to be tied up once again. At this point, it'd be easier to just yell multiverse theory and have a billion timelines with different games and endings attached to them.
Hey ID I have an interesting find. People use the Princess quest arcade machine having a sword inside of it as proof of princess quest . But right next to that in the real world you see dried blood on the wall were vanny got ripped apart in disassembled vanny. Along with the fact that the iPad that Gregory uses to turn them against vanny is gone which he only took with him and disassemble vanny
@@IDsFantasy it’s right above the bed under the vent . If you want to see yourself. Another fnaf Theorist pointed this out in their comic book theory where they propose a combination of some aspects of all endings as a cohesive story.
And the Ouch! (the robots who back of their head been peeled forward to look like rabbit ears (to be fair the music man also seem to been shaped into non rabbit things))
I noticed that the whole Brazil ending with PQ is when you put on the mask, so maybe while Gregory is stuck in that VR/AR-type world that's been explained from the books, he plays Princess Quest, but in the real world, the Burntrap ending happens.
Also, in the real world, it shows the lantern on Princess Quest when you die, but in the AR world, it shows that it's been completed, so in the VR/AR world, Gregory beats Princess Quest and possibly defeats the Help Wanted Glitchtrap and frees Vanessa from Help Wanted, but Vanny is still out there and we have to now defeat Vanny for the body to actually get Vanessa's mind back, and they also defeat Burntrap.
I don't know if I'm always misinterpreting but always found it weird that you are only able to destroy 2 of the 3 animatronics before the "princess quest" ending occurs so never made sense to me that all 3 animatronics are destroyed in one way or another in the dlc if the "princess quest" ending is cannon (but if this is something that's already been covered ignore me)
0:23 also how Gregory Drawing Burntrap in the comic, while when we meet Burntrap we see that Gregory does not know Burntrap if he did not know him, how he drew him in RUIN that doesn't make sense unless if the all endings or at least the burntrap and Princess quest ending both are canon
IK I'm late, but I'd like to point out the lines of dialogue that Freddy uses if you revisit the endoskeleton basement with him. I can't remember what exactly he says... He basically has an existential crisis. Saying what if there's other versions of him, what if he's mass produced?
No because you are so smart, scott throws so many twists and turns and for you to take that and still make sense is so cool im autistic and have processing issues and i love fnaf but for example matpats videos are so hard for me to understand but yours help me so much to enjoy what i love so THANK YOU!!!
I feel like the "multiple endings" of SB, aren't ar/vr but instead are those of nightmares. As we play SB, I believe that Gregory is witnessing these nightmare endings. Most of the endings except princess quest, and burntrap, end unrealistically, or with a bad end. Not to mention, as Gregory is known to go to therapy, an unknown current or former therapist, could have told Gregory about drawing his dreams, as a way to visualize his mental state. That then leads me to think the endings also have an order to em, based on Gregory's "comfort" at the pizza plex, based on how the endings get less fucked up, to more interesting and deep diving. The super bad ending, of Gregory in the alley with the newspaper, thats the first nightmare. It shows Gregory feeling alone and has no hope in the place, so desperate to leave he'd risk an ending like that. Dismantle Vanny, shows his instinct to protect himself at any cost, starting to kick in again, but his face shows it all. He didn't want to kill her, but he needed to. Burning down the pizza plex, shows Gregory taking charge of who he is, and ending the nightmares of others, though it only happened in another nightmare of his own. In this dream he also witnesses "double Vanessa" and thus begins to believe there is a way to save her from "Vanny" He never gets to fully experience princess quest, cause its ending is too good. It wouldnt be a nightmare. I'll elaborate what he experiences with it below burntrap ending. Finally, burn trap. Not only was it a nightmare, it also came to be. A lot of people experience "deja vu" or premonition dreams, seeing something in a dream, then a day or so later, the same thing happens irl. (I experience this moderately myself, but I struggle to remember most of my dreams.) So that makes me think, what if gregory has the same "deja vu" dream problem, and draws these "endings" not just for therapy, but to remember them, in case he sees them in real life. How else would gregory know to burn burntrap? Why would burntrap's rooms exist in ruin if that ending wasnt real? I also want to add, maybe he was woken up mid dream of princess quest, hence the sword being stabbed into the third game. He didnt see how to beat the third one, and lost. Without any idea of how to beat he third one, everyone including gregory would struggles with the "unfairness" glitchtrap possesses. The glitchtrap face is mocking his defeat, otherwise it'd have no purpose there. It's as if to say "you may beat me in this world, but in my world, im unstoppable." Which as it currently stands, Glitchtrap is unstoppable unless the code is destroyed. For now, It can only be slowed down. (MXES isnt glitchtrap) For the missed princess quest ending, i also believe that it doesnt happen at the "end" of the night like it would in game, as that would imply freddy being dismantled, despite being there to fight burntrap. So Gregory through his nightmares, starts to a see a link between the princess quest games and saving Vanessa, but because he couldnt finish the dream, he doesnt know how to beat the third, thus forcing him into a plan B. (Cause who'd wanna face Burntrap as a plan A in the first place?)
I think that Freddy being a prototype means he must be 1006 Also, serious talk, i never thought about the whole 'monty not having the right claws thing' before. Good catch
Congrats on the sponsor! I find this theory really compelling, even if a little unpolished due to the nature of fnaf lore [it is the headache that connects all in the fandom] I also didn't realise the theme of AI messing with peoples heads could have deeper lore implications for the main sb game as well. This truly was the dlc to fix everything with sb.
Finally someone addressing aspects no one really talks about! 👏 I understand that some things felt like they just came out of nowhere, like the prototype on Freddy's foot, but it's so obviously presented to us that it couldn't mean nothing.
And also In Vanny’s hideout in RUIN, there’s a chica plush and a Freddy book on the right corner in front of Vanny’s Bed as if someone was inhabiting the hideout, that wasn’t there in SB.
In SB, there is a Freddy line where he says that there isn’t a rabbit at the pizzaplex… not anymore. Maybe that implies that he remembers what the prototype did?
This blew my mind, I was very questionable when I was playing security breach, I and I always wondered, is what Gregory seeing real or fake? This was a great 👍 video.❤ Can’t wait to see more.
Love this, the prototype thing seemed too intentional and weird to just be a retcon! Thank you for sharing your theories because i love hearing new interpretations. I love that your explanations are so well thought-out and satisfying even if you have a completely different opinion from what I've heard before. I'm so bad at theory crafting but i love it so much. 😂
For the Vanny graffiti, I like the idea of that fan comic in which she likes bunnies and incorporates them in her designs. Even if it is unlikely as she was trap by a Bunny for who knows how long and victims don't tend to look fondly on imagery that reminds them of their past problems/captors. Also you channel has grown a lot, we even got sponsors now. I'm happy for you! :D
Despite talking about murderous animatronics and bodies being stuffed in animatronics, your voice is really soothing, especially with the ambience you have. Even though I barely follow along.
Honestly, this reframes everything for me! I had always presumed Monty was involved somehow, but with Prototype freddy, and freddies uncut lines, im now fairly certain that Prototype freddy wasnt completely ready AI wise when the Plex opened. Something happened that caused him to attack and destroy bonny, maybe Monty seeing this while he was ON the railings in monty golf- being the character in charge of the area, the same way Foxy was the log ride mascot. He attempted to save bonny, potentially getting some green scratches on bonny, and decapitating and ruining ProtoFred, which led to Monty, as the only "character" left, took over Bonnys role. Maybe OUR freddy was already being made, and thus connected to the proto freddy network ,hence why theres that cut line about "not him" doing bad things and hurting people, and the included line about missing bonny
Now that we have Help Wanted 2… I’d like to see how this affects Vanny/Vanessa, GlitchTrap, Mimic, Cassie and the Princess lore And it’s amazing how someone counts even the smallest details like the headless Freddy statue and the Prototype :D
I like how these are the endings we debate on because they can tell where the story is going as the Vanny ending is the fall of Glitchtrap and the Burntrap ending is the fall of Afton’s agony.
I was thinking about this theory and I had an epiphany all of a sudden, what if Vanny is an AR entity like MXES, and honestly the more I thought about it the more sense it made especially in the context of this theory, it explains why Freddy can’t see her until he gets Roxy’s eyes, it explains the two Vanessa’s in the fire escape ending, it explains why Gregory’s vision messes up when she’s nearby, it explains how she can die multiple times in this theory and it also explains the discrepancy’s in the Vanny Mask’s appearance
FNaF lore is like a saying my dad said once, he said "You see a car and you can tell its gonna crash, you know its gonna be bad but you cant stop looking"
I always thought Monty decommissioned Bonnie was stupid, cuz i dont think they would want anothers place in the band for no reason. More fame? Why would a robot gator want that?
That could also probably explain the random detail on Gregory which is his bandage, if something was implanted in him like how cassie had the ar stuff implanted in her there would be some sort of marking and he probably covered it up with the bandage and that's why vanny glitches put whenever shebgets close to us because shes interrupting the implant with her own device
This is the first FNaF theory video where I 100% agree with everything (except Nightmarionne being retconned into the canon in SB), it's such an awesome theory video, thank you for making this masterpiece :D
Well, I'm not saying it was retconned into being canon, since Scott only said it wasn't canon to FNAF 4 so other appearances would be canon, but I'm really glad the video works well for you! I appreciate the kind words :D
@@IDsFantasy Of course, and now with that clarification, it's now a video I truly agree with ^^ (I also hope this is what actually happens, and is followed up in Help Wanted 2)
i LOVE your take on how Cassidy could have not beaten glitchtrap, i never thought about the arcade machine in that light. If what you said turns out to be true, i'd say he might show up in help wanted 2 lol
'Gregory actually lived the Five Nights at Freddys' WHAAAT, that's so sickkkk, it's like meta narrative. We have to play the game multiple times because Gregory did live it multiple times, that's a cool concept
To be honest i think its vanny/vanessa when we see glamrock bonnies body is security breach ruined it resembles how freddy looked when the staff bots broke him and the one that controlled the staff bots was vanny/vaness and also in security breach vanessa has no problem with scrapping the animatronics as she told freddy that if she found out he was helping Gregory around the pizza plex she would scrap him and monty would be the lead until he got a new endoskeleton made for him.
Also for the end of sb, it’s implied that you have to beat ALL the princess quests games to defeat it, and in help wanted 2 THERES a fourth one so Gregory couldn’t deafest it. So , along with the other facts, I do believe that’s not the real ending.
I like the idea that the Princess Quest ending happened first and that they dealt with Burntrap together, that puts them both in position to potentially find the Mimic and if its true that they aren't at the pizzeria then they may have found a tunnel in those caves to escape, likely destroying it as they left in case the Mimic somehow got past the concrete and tried to follow them
Did anyone check to see if there's anything strange in ruin. Like how when you did old man consequences ending in fnaf world you get a star in pizzaria simulator(I think that was the game where you get the star) we could never know if scott is trying to pull a fast one on us
15:59 His perception of time is in fact altered; in the Pizzaplex, time is not what you're used to. Picking up the damaged head sets the time to 5:15, and if you somehow do that without ever being in lost & found, then by entering lost & found you time travel back to 2 am. While harder than it was upon release, that maneuver is still possible in the latest version of Security Breach. Be careful when time travelling though, travel in time too far and land in just the wrong point and Moon will instantly get you. For me, them putting in a broken Freddy model and then writing "Prototype" on it is just a blatant clue that Scott & co. are not trying to write one single concise story, but rather a story that they can alter to their will later on if they change their minds. That wasn't the case 8 years ago, or at least it didn't jump out to me back then, and I find this frustrating. (also psst get me up to speed, did ruin confirm or deny anything about Vanessa and Vanny being the same? I kinda stopped my playthrough somewhere close to the beginning and didn't continue it lmao)
One thing i find odd is the fact that both monty and chica have lost their special upgrades (given that monty is missing his legs) which implies that gregory has defeated both of them, beating both chica and monty isn't necessary for the princess quest ending but it is for the burntrap ending, could this mean something?
very cool video! quick thing about the storyteller! it never refers to the yellow chica as glamrock chica, only as chica. in other stories we know there are multiple characters in the pizzaplex, way more than the ones we see in sb, ballora for instance. i think the original fnaf 1 animatronics were also at the pizzaplex (not the possesed ones), maybe on that stage we see in rockstar row but after the storytellers events fazent decides to slim down how many characters are at the plex, maybe because of mimic1, as well as that i think it says that problems were reported all over the plex mentioning bonnie bowl. but i think i agree that it was maybe prototype freddy that killed glamrock bonnie
Fair point! Though technically Glamrock Freddy is also Freddy Fazbear so I wouldn't be too reliant on the Glamrock term being put in from. But still yeah!
I LOVE THE PROTOTYPE THEORY I LIKE THE IDEA SM. I think the wet floor sign bots have cameras. And that Bonnie's ai is active and watching people (which is why the bots stare as Cassie and Gregory are there when they aren't supposed to be)
Is anything in FNaF real anymore, first everything’s a dream, then it’s all a game, than it’s gas. This franchise has never had consistency when it comes to reality. The comic drawings show spring trap and tangled, and yet tangled still existing, I love these games but it’s slowly killing me.
This is a great theory video, It’s awesome that you don’t jump to conclusions like many others. Would be the biggest plot twist ever if Prototype Freddy was the one who decommissioned Glamrock Bonnie, I can imagine people’s faces if that’s actually the case lol, I’m so glad you didn’t pin the blame on Monty like many others, I’m also very glad you didn’t say Roxy did it like I saw some people saying because her claws are green, If she did it, Then her whole bond with Cassie and character development would all just go down the drain and would be completely pointless, I don’t think Steel Wool would even redeem her if she killed him.
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So, with all this said, what do you guys think really happened at the end of Security Breach? Did Gregory beat Princess Quest, or was he escaping the influence of Glitchtrap? Wouldn't be the first time something like this has happened in the series lol
I truly think what actually happened isn't shown in the games. If burntrap ending didn't happen, then why isn't burntrap there? Why is the pizzaplex ruined? Why are all 4 of the animatronics destroyed? But princess quest or the one where vanny dies HAD to have happened due to several objects in ruin
Your theories are sooo much better than MatPat and others. I like your logic. It's always sound. Somehow. Lol. IDK how ya do it, but you could be the next MatPat! Haha.
I forget who made a video on the comics but somone pointed out the comics are actually different scenes from only 3 endings
To some extent id say they are half truths, and that maybe some of the endings werent literal?
Vanny unmasked, and the pizzaplex is ruined (maybe not literally in fire lol)
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Simple, I took William back to his retirement home and Elizabeth is watching him to make sure he doesn’t escape again
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Ohh that makes sense
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I guess Matpat isn't the only one who can completely alter the wat I see the Fnaf story with theories anymore
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yeh, matt is imo the last one people go to for fnaf theories at this point. thank god for that
Given the repeated themes of people being trapped in AR/VR from the books, I actually really like the idea that each ending of Security Breach is a different “night” for Gregory.
Could the reason Princess Quest doesn’t get a comic is because it’s the last “night” Gregory experiences before finally escaping?
Possibly, but the True Ending thing is what gets me there
Only thing is, with the Burn trap ending, the pizza Plex burns down, so he would have to be stumbling through a burned down pizzaria for the Princess Quest ending. I think it makes more sense for him to have experienced the Burn trap ending last.
There is 6 endings to the base game and Fnaf 1-6 have 6 shifts you go through so its entirely plausible each ending is the equivalent of a night shift for Greagory.
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@@hedwigon6951if it’s in AR/VR I don’t think Pizzaplex needs to have actually burned down for that ending to be seen. I think Fire Escape would have the same problem as well if it were a problem.
I think it’s so weird that people collectively decided that prototype Freddy is irrelevant to the story. Like, they are still arguing about whether or not that is the real Freddy, but until this video, I had never seen someone realize that maybe the random Freddy that appears is important to the story other than the implications of which ending is true.
I know right! Everyone just immediately wrote him off as a retcon and I really find that unlikely
To be fair a certain ending implies there isn't a prototype copy quickly available when we have Mr. Hippo takes his spot in the band.
@@IDsFantasyim kinda burnt out from the lore atm ,plus mat pat is producing significantly less theory’s now than 2014-2018 i still watch some stuff but the break in content is relaxing compared to the first 5-6 games across what 2-3 year but i agree about freddy
I always thought that freddy being a prototype would just explain why he was so resistant to Vanny, but I like the idea that his head specifically being the prototype doesn’t change that.
But its so interesting to know that Ruin deliberately keeps the endings vague
The thing that always bugged me about the “Princess quest is canon” idea was the prototype written in Freddy’s foot because it’s just too weird and specific to be “just a design change” at least to me
Agreed!!
It could also just be a writing, that got revealed after paint on the legs chipped away
Him being prototype might explain the beginning of the Security Breach, somehow
i heard supposedly someone asked steelwool about that and they said that it was the same freddy as the base game
though i could be wrong, just supposedly it happened in a Q&A
Yeah I don't know why people are so okay with the idea that they'd just retcon something like that on the fly. It'd be super lazy, especially because they easily could've added it to the base game model.
There’s not much of anything to say this isn’t the real Freddy. Could just be that his foot had Prototype pained over and because the paint was worn out it shows now
There are two things I think are interesting to point about the occipital transmiter thing the mask implants in Cassie:
If this is something needed for high level technicians, and or is similar to how glitchhtrap was able to force his influence on Vanessa and Gregory for a while, then there isn't absolutely any thing reliably narrated in this era of the games anymore. Things can happen but absolutely no event depicts what we think they do at any point.
The second thing that bothers me is their use of occipital. That means base of your skull, nape of the neck almost. A mask that fits only your face at most should not reach there unless it has extra arms or it implants it by impaling your skull. Which makes me think the implant ACTUALLY goes into either the frontal or temporal lobes rather than the occipital lobe or cerebellum. Does this have any lore relevance? Probably not unless it's some 4d chess reference to biting off someone's frontal lobe
Interesting!
yeah i feel the same about the mask.
also, how exactly does Cassie get unable to take off the mask sometimes? how does it get bound to her face in the first place?
This is a result of the overcomplicating of the story past UCN. Most things don’t make sense anymore, and it’ll take Sherlock Holmes to solve anything.
@@IDsFantasywhat if it's not a VR mask, but rather a helmet in the real world. From the beginning of the DLC it's clear that we are in a virtual world. From seeing our avatar not in a first person view at the beginning to going through objects that do not connect to one another. Sure Security Breach opens up from the perspective of Gregory, and then switches to the perspective of Freddy. However the beginning of RUIN doesn't have this... instead we see who we play as from a video game starting point perspective (similar to how Crash Bandicoot starts on the PS1). On top of this Cassie's cardboard cutouts are a different race than the avatar of her we play as. Indicating that it's not the real her we saw at the beginning but instead a poorly made copy of her real life appearance.
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I personally think fire escape is the only canon ending cause I said so. My proof is that I work at the mega pizzaplex as an arcade technician
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i appreciate the skepticism in all your theories, and you're up there with MatPat in my opinion :D
Tbh I take ID’s theories slightly more seriously.
@@anti-usernamesaltaccount3623she and john are on the same level for me. I take MatPat's word a bit more seoriously because he has multiple opinions to resort to, but like... some of those opinions are john and ID so
@@func_e I like her because she treats her theories like there’s theories while everyone else treats their theories like if they’re facts thinking that they’re always right 🙄
@@dylanhudec979agreed
Thank you!
I like this theory it’s bittersweet. I’m not sure if anyone’s looked at it from this way. How could Gregory draw burn trap if he didn’t know how he looked
Yep!
That was interesting, I appreciate how you always go at an angle nobody has thought of before.
Thank you!
I was going to comment the same thing! I love how she helps me see a different point of view
Not entirely true at least in the case of the Monty bit, Markiplier knew Monty was a hero from the very beginning!
(This is a joke, I really agree with you)
I like the theory that all the endings happen, but Gregory is trap in a loop with his sense being messed with. Though could suggest that the princess quest was the real ending, each drawing is a path he took trying to escape. Figuring out he was trapped in a loop, he drew the endings he experience to remind him of the paths he tried. The only one not drawn is the path that worked, or the path that broke his mind and gave complete control over to Glitch trap.
Funny how some people still disagree with her in the comment section when her theory makes logical sense still saying it’s confirmed No it’s not confirmed just because you see it in the game doesn’t mean it’s confirmed
Ooooo nice idea!
The track the plays when you’re playing princess quest is called caught in a loop. That can’t be a coincidence. If all the other endings are supposed to be Gregory being caught in a reality that is repeating itself.on a side note i noticed something with the princess quest title theam is an obvious recreation of though the cracks from Freddy in space but if you combine the two into one track you get the princess quest title scene music but with the ticking of a clock in the background witch is pretty interesting.
Bro pulled a mono from little nightmares
@@dylanhudec979 Im confused on what you're saying.
Ruin is probably a combination of afton ending and princess quest since none if them make since alone but together make since.
Very possible
I really like the point you made about false realities! Matpat made a point in a theory a while back that he thinks that when Scott referred to a FNAF project called "Into Madness" it was referring to this 'era' of fnaf rather than one specific project, and I'm becoming more inclined to agree with that. We cannot be totally certain anymore of our protagonist's perception of reality. And with the mimic, we also cannot be totally certain that everyone is who they seem to be anymore.
I think that Cassie was unable to take off the mask at times not because it was somehow stuck, but rather that it's yet another case of her perception being altered by the Glitchtrap virus. I'm also somewhat beginning to think that times when she seemed to travel through portals or entrances that shouldn't exist were perhaps times where she was momentarily blacking out as the virus temporarily took control.
I'm curious if this is gearing up for Cassie to end up becoming a second Vanny, or something similar.
Yep! It'll certainly be interesting to see how things develop
True. It make RUIN Really scary now….
When hearing that Secret Staff bot line in RUIN…..is it Gregory? Or is Cassie just going into madness that she hallucinates It.
During the Monty boss fight in RUIN, Cassie’s opens the first door and we hear Monty Roar…..look behind and there’s nothing………probably just game design……..but is Cassie spiraling deeper into Madness that she hallucinates that’s he’s there?????
The Helpi savepoints manipulating Gregory's perceptions theory might also explain the design decision to have savepoints disabled after 6 am. It was an attempt at integrating the game mechanics into the story. (so the one active savepoint after 6 is a gameplay-related retcon).
Yep!
I had never believed in a second prototype freddy before this point and had always assumed due to the first-glance evidence that monty attacked bonnie but I could never shake how in Monty's ride, it seems made clear that Monty actually likes bonnie and dislikes freddy and why it is that bonnie would have damage that looks identical to what monty goes through after falling from the catwalks due to the hurricane bucket. your theory actually explains very well why bonnie would have that damage, why monty seems to like bonnie but hate freddy, and all the other holes in the commonly believed "monty killed bonnie to take his place" theory. great vid as always!
Thank you!
I think Bonnie and Monty might have been friends or were working on an act together i.e acting like they are fighting and that was where they would meet to plan it out
My personal theory is that the drawings were somehow connected to Gregory's therapy sessions. Some therapist will encourage kids to draw as a way of expression when they ve been traumatized to the point of shutting down/ not communicating as a way to tell their story. I believe that the endings each have a piece of truth to them. A lot of people tend to skip over the AR game ... where glitchtrap (in Vanessa's body ) googled 'how far can a human be cut in half before dy>ng', which makes me think the Gregory's escape ending may have happened First & is how he was captured, he saw his parents get knocked off and ran to hide.
Actually I googled "How far can a human subject be sawed in half before losing consciousness".
Interesting!
that google search sounds like something a fanfiction maker would ask
Great theory :D I'm not sure I 100% agree with the Glamrock Bonnie stuff but I definitely think there's something weird up with the stupid amount of dream imagery in both Security Breach and Ruin. No matter what the actual "truth" of the story is, I definitely think large chunks of what we experienced in those games weren't real, or at least didn't happen the way we experienced them. Like you pointed out, there is just way too many Tales stories straight up pointing this direction, coupled with all the dream and nightmare imagery (still one of my favorite interpretations of that Fnaf 4 bedroom door in the Endo section of Security Breach is that it's trying to say "Don't wake up" as it shows a girl in bed, awake, with a big slash through it).
Yep!
I think rather than the Mask/Chip putting objects in Cassie's way, it's the Pizzaplex itself. Whenever you look at the walls with the mask, there's a bunch of circuits on them as if the entire mall was one big computer. A computer that can generate virtual objects throughout the mall in replacement for the lack of real objects. It would explain why some objects look real in VR while the same objects next to them look to be made of raw data and why Cassie can warp to different locations in the Pizzaplex as if the computer were generating shortcuts for her/the Mask. However, when the Blob tore its way through the Pizzaplex, alot of these objects got knocked over and code distorted from the damage which is why all the shortcuts are in random places.
TLDR, I believe the Pizzaplex itself created the objects blocking her way and not the chip messing with her head.
Interesting!
I personally viewed the "real world" object we go through as hard light projections. We know that in the virtual world, they break into laser wires.
Hardened light is theoretically possible in reality. We also know the mask is connected to the Pizzarea's system. A security code could be sent to the system to reduce the energy for the hardened light making them just projections at this point.
Maybe they were the equivent of maintance tunnels to be used by staff in AR mode to help them get around...
Wow, we're going DARK here.
And I wouldn't put it past whoever the Pizzeria is the corporate greed-infested psycho pig that's now running Fazbear Entertainment.
I really liked your observations on the ProtoFreddy/Monty/Bonnie mystery! That actually gives that whole side-mystery a narrative purpose instead of it just being an excuse to show what Glamrock Bonnie looked like.
I'm glad you like it!
Interesting.
This theory would also explain why the animatronics just randomly start looking grungy after a while.
Though it doesn't explain breaking the other animatronics and upgrading Freddy multiple times.
It would also explain why the prototype Freddy doesn’t have any upgrades, because it’s a different Freddy! If we are assuming all endings (or at least Burntrap ending, and except princess quest) happened then it would explain why the other prototypes are damaged, Gregory and Freddy broke them like in that ending
For the Freddy upgrades they would likely be set back to normal between runs
@@IDsFantasy But why? And how many spare Monty bodies do they have hanging around? And Roxy's eyes again and again. Why would they not improve things so that Gregory doesn't escape and has to do stuff differently every time.
Though this theory is now reminding me of the Nonary Game.
The animatronics look dirtier because of the recharge stations. (Only after 1AM for some reason) You can see it happen to Freddy right after you escape the daycare. When he saves you he's still pristine but when you get out of the recharge station he's a bit dirtier.
@@TheNerdyGamerGuyPrototype Freddy has Monty's claws.
FINALLY someone tackling the fact that monty did NOT have claws upgrades by then to cause that kind of damage to bonnie
tyy for mentioning it
No problem!
As for all the bunny imagery, GGY Gregory uses the pen name Dr Rabbit or Rab, so it's possible SB Gregory also likes rabbits. Similarly, if Gregory is Patient 46 and was also infected by Glitchtrap, how do we know he was fully cured of it? What if Gregory fell back under Glitchtrap's control after the Princess Quest ending?
Well, Princess Quest ends with Glitchtrap being defeated so Glitchtrap couldn't exactly have taken off back over
@IDsFantasy True, for that arcade machine. Glitchtrap is a virus that has spread not only throughout the pizzaplex's network, but also the studio Tape Girl worked for as well as possibly the animatronic delivery service if the notes can be trusted. Therefore, I guess it depends on how realistic or fantasy they want to go with the virus' survivability in various devices spread between multiple different locations.
Also, we "see" Glitchtrap die in Princess Quest, but not necessarily in the Pizzaplex as we simply see Vanessa go free, who could have powered down the security bots. So, as you suggested, we might not be interpreting the scene correctly and assumed Glitchtrap was gone when it merely went into hiding.
At the end of the day, I'm just spitballing ideas.
The prototype Freddy thing actually makes a lot of sense, and similarly the ‘upgraded’ version of Freddy could be the explanation for why he ended up going into safe mode.
The question would be if the prototype was the Freddy that was being used at the time, or was an older copy used to ‘take care’ of Bonnie while ‘our’ Freddy was already in operation.
On the idea that Gregory was basically experience a ‘time loop’ of sorts, in that he experienced every ending, it’s possible that Princess Quest is the ‘final’ ending, with the comic pages representing his ‘memory/dream’ of the previous night’s ending.
This would imply some kind of experiment being conducted on Gregory, which actually makes sense considering what we know of Afton. Someone trying to be Afton would totally run experiments.
I'm glad!
Interesting!
It has always bugged me that Security Breach has “Five Nights at Freddy’s” in the title despite the fact that the gameplay only covers a single night. If it’s true that Gregory actually did experience multiple nights then it would make a lot more sense.
Yep!
This was a really interesting theory. It does make me think that the "five nights" part of the game are each ending with the final night (6) that usually unlocks after completing all 5 nights is the true ending. I never thought about looking at it in the perspective of the Princess loosing, but that does make sense as well. I always just assumed the bunny motif was something the AI virus/mimic virus decided would be sort of its calling card.
Thank you! It's definitely something interesting to think about
Yeehaw! I haven't seen someone question the endings at this angle before and I'm definitely here for it! It is weird to me that the endings are somehow comics of Gregory's, and I do assume there's definitely more to the true ending than what we were given up front which is very true to fnaf fashion in my opinion. :)
Yeah!
True and don’t forget that if you choose to leave in SB, the sound that you hear when you complete a mission in SB plays, implying there’s more to the ending and in Vanny’s hideout, a FNAF Theorist pointed out that in RUIN in Vanny’s hideout, theres a giant smear of blood on the wall above Vanny’s bed.
Implying that the comic pages in RUIN may have been misinterpreted(by misinterpreted i mean people assuming that they mean they are not canon) and they are part canon.
I love that you tackle these mysteries from completely new perspectives.
Thanks! I'm glad you appreciate it XD
I'm so happy I'm not the only person who had this thought about what happened with Bonnie and Monty. Perfectly stated so now i can just link this video.
Nice!
8:53 An interesting thing to note about the claw argument is that it seems likely that Monty would have already had claws, getting Bass-Playing claws doesn't mean that he didn’t already have them, just that if he did, they weren't good for playing bass
Maybe
Worth noting that Monty is in the spotlight while headless Freddy statue is the the far shadows of the ride like hes hiding. Very well done utilising that observation!!
:D
I always appreciate that your takes are orthogonal to how I've been thinking about the franchise but always make a ton of sense and give my thinking more depth. Definitely rewatching this again after I've thought about it some more.
Nice!
One thing that has always bugged me is every other game has 5 nights you have to survive versus this one that is just over the course of one night. If all 5 endings happened then you get the twist of him still actively experiencing 5 nights which I think is very satisfying
Agreed!
Great analysis! You've quickly become one of my favorite theorists in the community!
Something else to note about Ruined Freddy is the fact that his present box is, obviously, a different color than the present Glamrock Freddy gives Gregory in Security Breach. I've seen plenty of people brush that off as being just a redesign, but there's one key bit of evidence that shows us that's not the case: the Mr. Hippo fridge magnet present box.
In both Security Breach and RUIN, the box containing Gregory's free prize is a red box with a blue ribbon. In RUIN, you not only find the box in the exact same location and in the exact same condition, but in the exact same color. If Steel Wool didn't have an issue with recoloring a present box between the base game and the DLC, then this box shouldn't look the same as when we left it. However, it does, and so I'm inclined to believe that Ruined Freddy's present is a different one than Glamrock Freddy's.
Thank you!
Yep! That's a really good point
Another thing on the presents is there is a pattern to the colors: orange with bolts (Freddy) is key items (minus the watch), green & purple (Monty) is upgrades, green (Roxy's keytar) is plushies and figurines, and pink & blue (Chica and guitar) is masks and posters. The blank yellow are most everything else and 8 gold boxes.
There are some outliers: two gold boxes have the Fredbear's Singing Show poster and the Nightmarionne plush (the only of the 10 plush characters not to have a gold variant in base or Ruin, but the box lines up). Plus while perhaps to look more feminine, the Plushbaby box in the daycare also strays from the pattern. (It always has to go back to Charlizabeth, huh?)
Fascinating theory. I also wanted to note the setup of the mobile security camera stations, door locks and mobile security stations as more evidence that staff/techs were there post disaster.
Definitely!
The fact that PREVIOUS and prototype versions of the iconic Glamrock characters exist is VERY interesting, especially since it'd make sense that Fazbear Entertainment would logically want to "build upon", improve, and eventually perfect their animatronics for their customers and patrons.
If the previous Glamrock Freddy was ever so slightly more "animtronic-like" or aggressive (or more prone to being hacked and manipulated), that would obviously explain the disappearance of Glamrock Bonnie by Glitchtrap, knowing that Bonnie and Freddy are so close and an unexpected attack would be the easiest way to catch Bonnie off guard AND make it look like Monty did after giving him the bass-playing claws and an aggressive personality could be the perfect cover-up.
Also, if the characters really do have advanced personality chips and all that, then maybe Monty wasn't just trying to find Bonnie, but also felt guilty to have lost him and be put in his place to replace Bonnie as the bass player. Maybe that aggression is partially him being angry at HIMSELF for not being fast enough to save Bonnie or find him again.
Also also, the concept of characters not being able to escape a false reality and Gregory possibly being part of that cycle is terrifying to think about.
This is almost somewhere along the lines of Undertale's "Reset" capabilities, with the characters not remembering the previous happy memories and genocidal tragedies that occurred, and experiencing the same things or similar events over and over again, with the endings being the same, different, or slightly altered apart from each other.
Maybe Gregory DID draw these as ways to remember what his previous experiences were, but now the question lies upon whether Burntrap survived The Blob and if both have a reason for still existing here...
Great theory video nonetheless, ID! Had to rewind a couple times to fully wrap my head around the theory and ideas and concepts presented in it, but when I fully understood, it all made sense and clicked into place! Brilliant work! :D
(Let's hope Matpat watches this and also manages to understand it 😅)
Yeah that sounds about right!
Thank you! I'm glad you like it (and if MatPat watched that would be awesome!)
Even if Matpat does watch it and understand it, the ambiguity that exists in FNAF in general, let alone at this time is so great because everything can be discounted on a whim and we have multiple valid ways to interpret the current seemingly conflicting evidence.
I legit was waiting for this video since ruin came out
Well the wait is now over! I hope you enjoy :D
@@IDsFantasy i did lol
This pretty much cleared everything in ruin now we just need to wait for hw2 (or the movie who knows maybe it will have lore in it)
I really like the exploration of the idea of Gregory having experienced every ending except Princess Quest. I've been wanting to see discussion of that possibility but don't have the time to do so myself so I've been waiting and hoping someone would talk about so I could know how plausible or not it is.
Nice!
Something like this would make prototype Freddy much more interesting.
I would be a little disappointed if prototype Freddy was literally just our Freddy.
Additionally, I like the idea that technicians came in and modified the animatronics in order to try and fix them.
Just like with Freddy, it would be a little annoying if Roxy had, for seemingly no reason, a different endoskeleton when this is supposedly in direct continuity with the main game. Changes in older games between animatronics worked fine, because the designs were from vastly different games, with loose continuity. However, RUIN is directly connected to Security Breach, and thus shouldn't have any actual changes to the animatronic designs, beyond them being destroyed.
If the technician thing is correct, could this be how Cassie's dad dies (allegedly)? I think the problem with this is that, if he died in the pizzaplex to animatronics during this period, Cassie would be terrified of the pizzaplex if they found his body, and/or if they didn't find his body, then Cassie would be at the pizzaplex looking for her dad much earlier than she goes in to look for Gregory.
Agreed
Also agreed
Possibly! Though I currently think Help Wanted 2 will be about Cassie's dad
I absolutely love this theory! I have always been on the side that ruin Freddy isn't our Freddy, and it was nice to finally see a youtuber talking about that. Most other videos on the topic that I've seen just seems to write it off as a change in character design. But, like you said, the addition of prototype on the foot seems way too deliberate. I know some people say that the paint wore off on his foot to reveal that, it really doesn't look like that to me. The word is solid black, doesn't look like there is any paint that was worn off on top of it. And if that were the case, they would have shown it like that. We get an excellent example of worn down paint with Roxy. The strips on her legs are definitely still there in ruin, just very worn down and faded. So we know that if they wanted to show old paint worn down, they would have.
You do a really fantastic job with your theories, especially with being able to look at a bunch of evidence objectively. It's fnaf, so of course all of the clues are supposed to be confusing, and it's really good to take a look at all of the possibilities! I hadn't given much thought to anything but princess quest being the canon ending, but this video has me thinking! Looking forward to more theories and discussions!
Thank you! That means a lot to hear :D
I just think it's very strange that "prototype" Freddy has the near *exact damage* that SB Freddy had. It would be one hell of a coincidence that SB Freddy met the same fate as his predecessor, and the fact that he's in Fazer Blast, the *same area* where Freddy was torn apart, is highly suspect. Imho, proto Freddy *IS* SB Freddy, and Steel Wool didn't add the different features later, but instead the paint faded with time. As in the prototype text was painted over, but after however long it's been with a headless Freddy wandering around, that paint wore off.
Also edit: I paused the video to comment, so I didn't really get the full picture of what you were going for, I just wanted to add my 2 cents.
Edit 2: you make very good points about proto Freddy being different and how he was the one to decommission Bonnie. I am so glad that you presented *new* info that I had yet to hear. Although I'm tired of hearing that Monty couldn't have done it because he didn't have the claws, despite the fact that Freddy is ripped to shreds by *STAFF BOTS,* it's good to hear from an angle I didn't even know about.
Except he doesn't have the exact same damage. The staff bots didn't impale Freddy with iron spikes nor did they melt his arm and rip his back apart. That damage is new, plus he wasn't lying on a pile of staff bots in that ending, he was by himself on the floor.
The ending itself is inconsistent as well. One moment Freddy's jaw is severely damaged but then he's like new int eh duffle bag? 🤔
Given the AR/VR shenanigans going on I am inclined to believe that NONE of the endings actually happened. Especially with Vanny's graffiti very much present at the very beginning of RUIN, before Cassie got the mask. Vanny is likely still trapped. Something every single person overlooks is how the Princess Quest 3 cabinet scene is set up. Yeah there's a sword in the machine but there's not 1 but 2 glitch traps on the wall by that machine. If Glitch trap was truly defeated, why then is he on the wall?
It’s amazing that Mark was right about Monty actually being the hero. Something that always bothered me about the princess quest ending was “How does Gregory know anything about Springtrap to be able to draw him” this answered my question and confirmed my suspicion that the true ending was “True Ending”
Yep lol. And I'm glad this answered your question!
Man it's been a while where a FNAF theory has really turned everything I thought was obvious on its head. Fair play.
My one problem with the Prototype killing Bonnie thing is that our Freddie is so distraught about Bonnie's death that it would make me question him only being brought into the picture after Bonnie going missing. I know you mentioned the memory/behaviour trip transplant thing, but that would then make me wonder why prototype Freddy is so aggressive and why transferring the same chip would make him mourn Bonnie so badly.
Nice!
That's fair! My guess is minor adjustments were made but the core was left largely the same
Wow! This was ride of a theory! It's crazy to me just how deep the lore still goes. Everyone always think the series is over because of FNaF Pizza Sim but it's really intriguing just how the more "obvious story telling" of Ruin can actually be nothing more than red herring.
Yep! Plus it ties into the whole theme of trying to distinguish reality from fiction
Glamrock Bonnie is around during The Storyteller. He is indirectly referenced in passing, in a paragraph describing how the virus affected the animatronic mascots associated with each attraction. One of the characters said to be affected is the animatronic mascot of Bonnie Bowl.
I don't remember that being mentioned at all
If Gregory is in a cycle, then what if there is no comic for princess quest because Vanny didn't expect him to release her, so there was no one to reset him and he could leave with her?
Would be interesting
NOOO THE WAY YOU CONCLUDED WITH IT ACTUALLY BEAING FIVE NIGHTS I CANT!!!!! im always surprised at your takes and im starting to believe you have a huge lead as to what is the lore
I'm glad the theories work well for you XD
Interesting theory. I kinda had a small theory that Vanny might have used Freddy to lure Bonnie into Monty golf since Freddy and bonnie were so close. It definitely explains Monty’s behavior on the catwalks since if he did witness what happened, he would want to try and find him. The only question now is who brought Bonnie’s body behind Bonnie bowl and how did it happen without anyone noticing? I also believe the reason the wet floor bots connect to Bonnie due to them also seeing Bonnie being destroyed. I wonder if the kids crying could also indicate that the kids were seeing Bonnie being broken too? What do you think?
It's a good question, and at the moment I'm not exactly sure
i think theres more there with bonnie, you pointed out a lot of things that dont make sense with the common "monty killed bonnie for his spot" but theres even more, most noteably, that bonnie has his own small stage and "green room", which would only really make sense if bonnie was/became a 1 person band and not a part of the core 4, which would indicate that he was replaced before he got "decomissioned" (the Log also mentions him leaving his green room in rockstar row, meaning he would've been moved away after that log)
another pretty major point is to do with the stories and details you actually pointed out, they replace and repair glamrocks quite a bit, both by there being broken glamrocks in the sewer within bobbiedots, but also the Log that talks about monty on the catwalks, we know what kind of extreme damage the bucket does to him, and they fixed him up atleast once, likely multiple times if it was a repeated issue. makes no sense to just abandon bonnie awkwardly and not even have an official response to where he is when they can just fix or replace him with a new him
Interesting
This theory makes sense to me, especially since this is the first 5 nights game with only one night happening.
A big issue i see with the whole freddy thing is you said protofreddy is there to be used as a replacement for the broken freddy, but then you also said that in the past the bonnie fight is what broke protofreddy leading them to build our one instead of fixing it, if both are true that would mean that either they used the broken protofreddy from after the fight as a replacement which wouldn't make much sense, or that they fixed the prototype to be used as a replacement instead of fixing the actual freddy which also wouldn't be the smartest choice and even if they did fix the old broken one it would need to be re-broken since in the same place and in the same ways as our freddy on the Vanny ending which it's just a lot of coincidences.
One last thing about replacing freddy is when Vanny is interrogating freddy in SB she threates freddy with puting his casing on a different endo until they can "fix" him or whatever, if they had the spare prototype just laying around wouldn't that be a better choice instead of swapping out the endos?.
Well if the Freddy they had was just completely gone, the closest thing they'd have to a functional Freddy is Prototype.
Not necessarily. Vanessa's a security guard, not a technician, and they did initially choose to not use Prototype for a reason. Prototype was also already pretty damaged but had his own casing so that could have played a role. Though we also never see Vanessa's threat carried out
DUDE, imagine if the actual lore of Security Breach was that Gregory was being sent on a continuous quest in the AR world where he has to visit the Pizzaplex again and again until he figures out how to free everyone from Glitchtrap? The other endings are things he experienced each time he went back, so he technically did experience them, but they didn't really happen because they were only part of this continuing AR quest. You get star rankings in each ending because Gregory is being told whether he succeeded or not. Vanny's shadow looming over Gregory in the alleyway might not be Vanny about to kill him, but Vanny about to darg him back into the building to restart the night. And don't you think it's weird that he just ended up inside Freddy's stomach? Why would he even go into Freddy's room in the first place? (I realize this probably isn't true in the slightest, but it's a cool idea)
Yeah, I think it's a cool idea
17:52 That's actually a really good point. It's called "Five Nights at Freddy's : Security Breach" after all and the fact that wasn't depicted in the game kinda bothered me.
Edit: the last ending could also be considered a sixth night which usually have lore purposes( 2: Jermey, 3: Fazbear frights burning down 4: The I'll put you back together scene 6: The henry speech) I could be wrong though I've never finished any of them
Possibly!
To further follow the idea the "Prototype Glamerock Freddy" is indeed another machine and not just our Freddy's body, I think we have to think about WHY didn't Gregory go with Freddy's full body in "Princess Quest" ending. In the "desassemble Vanny" ending, Gregory sees Freddy 'dying' as the damages done to his body are just too much to stay active (quite strange since Chica survived a FREAKING COMPACTOR but hey, let's say it make sense).
The damages done to Freddy in the "PQ" ending are supposely the same, thus, he should be 'dying' too. The fact that Gregory took his head is because his body is now completely unable to move. Disconnecting the head (where we can assume his personality chip and memories are stored) was the only way to "save" him.
Some may argue that a head in a bag is also more discrete than a giant robot and that's true but in most endings, Gregory has no problem fleeing with Glamrock Freddy's whole body. Also, if he just need time to reboot, Gregory could have waited as since Vanny was freed (or so he thought if we follow your idea that he "dreamed" of the endings), he would have no direct threats. And it's showed in Ruin that rebooting a bot takes from a few seconds (Eclipse) to a bunch of minutes (Roxy). He could have waited.
Thus, the simple fact that the Prototype is FUNCTIONAL is IN ITSELF a clue telling us it's not our Freddy's body but something else. Also, even if Gregory "thought" Freddy was too damaged to move but was wrong, we know for a fact that Freddy's battery is incredibly low due the circomstances of SB. So, it is even more unlikely that our Freddy's body would even have enough battery to stand since all this time.
All in all I really like your theory, even if I am a bit dubitative with the Idea of Gregory being caught in a 5 nights loop. Like, wouldn't the bots remember him ? If he kept collecting their parts, would Freddy still be as "ignorant" as he is that theses parts belonged to his friends ? Would Roxy still be standing in the raceway if she was hit by a go-kart 4 times already ? (I'll admit Chica's food obsession would probably make her do the same mistake over and over and... We could argue that Monty would just be so angry that he keeps following Gregory in the catwalk persuaded that he will win "this time"... I guess ?)
Also, even if I like the idea of Prototype Freddy being another machine, I think the "blatant retcon" is something that unfortunatly already happened in SB. Maybe you know this already but when SB first came out, the Princess's sprite (from the Princess Quest arcade game) was named "Cassidy.png" in the files. The reference to UCN was obvious : a female golden character preventing a somewhat purple-colored rabbit thing to escape from his eternal prison.
However, the name was simply changed in newer updates, renaming it as "Princess.png" (the wiki even states the exact version of this change if I remember correctly), litteraly retconning a potential reference. Maybe was it because Cassidy was meant to be in the game but was cut. Maybe was it because they weren't sure about Glitchtrap being the Mimic or not at that time. I don't know, but unlike Scott has said, this game DEFINITIVELY have some retcons.
(Finally, sorry if that's too much to answer but I'm curious about your take about the books canonicity. Some theorists considers the Tales From the Pizzaplex to be 100% canon, some consider them to be clues on some things but not all, some consider them to be completly different timelines with little to no link to games. I'd like to know your stance about this.)
I do still think that the Princess is Cassidy tbh, and I don't really consider it a retcon that it was removed since I don't think any story was contradicted.
I actually have a video about the books and what I think about their canonicity! It's the full-length video released right before this one
@IDsFantasy Oh, I'm sorry. I just discovered your channel (from RyeToast's video actually), I should have at least checked before commenting (even more when you state the Cassidy.png thing in some of your shorts).
But I seen some other videos of yours now and I must say I really like your theorizing style. You have made me look at some things completly differently with your bold propositions filled with actually clever arguments (the "Glitchtrap is Afton AND Mimic" and the "Prototype Freddy did the Bonnie killing" being my favorites).
My theory for a long time before ruin came out was the Burntrap one. I just felt like the others wouldn’t make sense, since when you go for the ending you find the Fnaf 6 pizzeria. You enter with Freddy and he starts to talk. He mentions about someone.., describing how angry they are. That’s when we figure out that kids had been killed here. If we remember in another ending, Gregory was sleeping in a box with newspaper on him, and it showed Missing with a few pictures of children. I kept thinking the Burntrap ending was the ‘true’ ending and when Ruin came out it caused me to believe it even more.
In ruin you also notice that the animatronics looked horribly destroyed, which only 2 would be destroyed in some endings, and the three would be destroyed in Burntrap and possibly one more. The animatronics looked worst then before, and then you explained how Glamrock Bonnie could have been killed and the rest all in your video!
Nice!
The fact that fnaf has the ability to recontectualize and make us rethink an entire game just by small details in another game is both one of its greatest strengths and weaknesses. On one hand, it keeps people talking and keeps the lore intreguing, while on the other hand its frustrating how the community can think its finally gotten something fully set in stone, that it can use to fully piece this story together but oh wait, this small detail potentially shatters that and makes it into yet another thread that needs to be tied up once again. At this point, it'd be easier to just yell multiverse theory and have a billion timelines with different games and endings attached to them.
Fair lol
Hey ID I have an interesting find.
People use the Princess quest arcade machine having a sword inside of it as proof of princess quest .
But right next to that in the real world you see dried blood on the wall were vanny got ripped apart in disassembled vanny.
Along with the fact that the iPad that Gregory uses to turn them against vanny is gone which he only took with him and disassemble vanny
Interesting!
@@IDsFantasy it’s right above the bed under the vent . If you want to see yourself.
Another fnaf Theorist pointed this out in their comic book theory where they propose a combination of some aspects of all endings as a cohesive story.
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This
Finally someone that calls out the fresh Vanny graffiti, been bothering me since Ruin's launch that no one brought attention to that.
And the Ouch! (the robots who back of their head been peeled forward to look like rabbit ears (to be fair the music man also seem to been shaped into non rabbit things))
Yeah, as soon as I saw that graffiti I was suspicious of the PQ ending lol
I noticed that the whole Brazil ending with PQ is when you put on the mask, so maybe while Gregory is stuck in that VR/AR-type world that's been explained from the books, he plays Princess Quest, but in the real world, the Burntrap ending happens.
Also, in the real world, it shows the lantern on Princess Quest when you die, but in the AR world, it shows that it's been completed, so in the VR/AR world, Gregory beats Princess Quest and possibly defeats the Help Wanted Glitchtrap and frees Vanessa from Help Wanted, but Vanny is still out there and we have to now defeat Vanny for the body to actually get Vanessa's mind back, and they also defeat Burntrap.
I don't know if I'm always misinterpreting but always found it weird that you are only able to destroy 2 of the 3 animatronics before the "princess quest" ending occurs so never made sense to me that all 3 animatronics are destroyed in one way or another in the dlc if the "princess quest" ending is cannon (but if this is something that's already been covered ignore me)
Agreed
0:23 also how Gregory Drawing Burntrap in the comic, while when we meet Burntrap we
see that Gregory does not know Burntrap if he did not know him, how he drew him in RUIN
that doesn't make sense unless if the all endings or at least the burntrap and Princess quest ending both are canon
IK I'm late, but I'd like to point out the lines of dialogue that Freddy uses if you revisit the endoskeleton basement with him. I can't remember what exactly he says... He basically has an existential crisis. Saying what if there's other versions of him, what if he's mass produced?
Yep!
No because you are so smart, scott throws so many twists and turns and for you to take that and still make sense is so cool im autistic and have processing issues and i love fnaf but for example matpats videos are so hard for me to understand but yours help me so much to enjoy what i love so THANK YOU!!!
I'm glad my videos help!
I feel like the "multiple endings" of SB, aren't ar/vr but instead are those of nightmares. As we play SB, I believe that Gregory is witnessing these nightmare endings. Most of the endings except princess quest, and burntrap, end unrealistically, or with a bad end. Not to mention, as Gregory is known to go to therapy, an unknown current or former therapist, could have told Gregory about drawing his dreams, as a way to visualize his mental state.
That then leads me to think the endings also have an order to em, based on Gregory's "comfort" at the pizza plex, based on how the endings get less fucked up, to more interesting and deep diving.
The super bad ending, of Gregory in the alley with the newspaper, thats the first nightmare. It shows Gregory feeling alone and has no hope in the place, so desperate to leave he'd risk an ending like that.
Dismantle Vanny, shows his instinct to protect himself at any cost, starting to kick in again, but his face shows it all. He didn't want to kill her, but he needed to.
Burning down the pizza plex, shows Gregory taking charge of who he is, and ending the nightmares of others, though it only happened in another nightmare of his own. In this dream he also witnesses "double Vanessa" and thus begins to believe there is a way to save her from "Vanny"
He never gets to fully experience princess quest, cause its ending is too good. It wouldnt be a nightmare. I'll elaborate what he experiences with it below burntrap ending.
Finally, burn trap. Not only was it a nightmare, it also came to be. A lot of people experience "deja vu" or premonition dreams, seeing something in a dream, then a day or so later, the same thing happens irl. (I experience this moderately myself, but I struggle to remember most of my dreams.)
So that makes me think, what if gregory has the same "deja vu" dream problem, and draws these "endings" not just for therapy, but to remember them, in case he sees them in real life. How else would gregory know to burn burntrap? Why would burntrap's rooms exist in ruin if that ending wasnt real?
I also want to add, maybe he was woken up mid dream of princess quest, hence the sword being stabbed into the third game. He didnt see how to beat the third one, and lost. Without any idea of how to beat he third one, everyone including gregory would struggles with the "unfairness" glitchtrap possesses. The glitchtrap face is mocking his defeat, otherwise it'd have no purpose there. It's as if to say "you may beat me in this world, but in my world, im unstoppable." Which as it currently stands, Glitchtrap is unstoppable unless the code is destroyed. For now, It can only be slowed down. (MXES isnt glitchtrap)
For the missed princess quest ending, i also believe that it doesnt happen at the "end" of the night like it would in game, as that would imply freddy being dismantled, despite being there to fight burntrap. So Gregory through his nightmares, starts to a see a link between the princess quest games and saving Vanessa, but because he couldnt finish the dream, he doesnt know how to beat the third, thus forcing him into a plan B. (Cause who'd wanna face Burntrap as a plan A in the first place?)
Interesting theory
Lol that actually makes a lot of sense. All of it does. Especially the “Gregory got to experience all five nights at Freddie’s” and I chuckled
I'm glad!
I think that Freddy being a prototype means he must be 1006
Also, serious talk, i never thought about the whole 'monty not having the right claws thing' before. Good catch
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Congrats on the sponsor! I find this theory really compelling, even if a little unpolished due to the nature of fnaf lore [it is the headache that connects all in the fandom] I also didn't realise the theme of AI messing with peoples heads could have deeper lore implications for the main sb game as well. This truly was the dlc to fix everything with sb.
Thank you! I think that sums it up well
Finally someone addressing aspects no one really talks about! 👏
I understand that some things felt like they just came out of nowhere, like the prototype on Freddy's foot, but it's so obviously presented to us that it couldn't mean nothing.
design arguments are valid they’re not simple redesigns
Yeah!
And also In Vanny’s hideout in RUIN, there’s a chica plush and a Freddy book on the right corner in front of Vanny’s Bed as if someone was inhabiting the hideout, that wasn’t there in SB.
In SB, there is a Freddy line where he says that there isn’t a rabbit at the pizzaplex… not anymore. Maybe that implies that he remembers what the prototype did?
This blew my mind, I was very questionable when I was playing security breach, I and I always wondered, is what Gregory seeing real or fake? This was a great 👍 video.❤ Can’t wait to see more.
Glad to hear it!
Love this, the prototype thing seemed too intentional and weird to just be a retcon! Thank you for sharing your theories because i love hearing new interpretations. I love that your explanations are so well thought-out and satisfying even if you have a completely different opinion from what I've heard before. I'm so bad at theory crafting but i love it so much. 😂
Thank you!!! :D
For the Vanny graffiti, I like the idea of that fan comic in which she likes bunnies and incorporates them in her designs. Even if it is unlikely as she was trap by a Bunny for who knows how long and victims don't tend to look fondly on imagery that reminds them of their past problems/captors.
Also you channel has grown a lot, we even got sponsors now. I'm happy for you! :D
Interesting!
Thank you :D
Despite talking about murderous animatronics and bodies being stuffed in animatronics, your voice is really soothing, especially with the ambience you have. Even though I barely follow along.
Honestly, this reframes everything for me! I had always presumed Monty was involved somehow, but with Prototype freddy, and freddies uncut lines, im now fairly certain that Prototype freddy wasnt completely ready AI wise when the Plex opened. Something happened that caused him to attack and destroy bonny, maybe Monty seeing this while he was ON the railings in monty golf- being the character in charge of the area, the same way Foxy was the log ride mascot. He attempted to save bonny, potentially getting some green scratches on bonny, and decapitating and ruining ProtoFred, which led to Monty, as the only "character" left, took over Bonnys role. Maybe OUR freddy was already being made, and thus connected to the proto freddy network ,hence why theres that cut line about "not him" doing bad things and hurting people, and the included line about missing bonny
Yep!
Now that we have Help Wanted 2… I’d like to see how this affects Vanny/Vanessa, GlitchTrap, Mimic, Cassie and the Princess lore
And it’s amazing how someone counts even the smallest details like the headless Freddy statue and the Prototype :D
Yeah!
:D
I like how these are the endings we debate on because they can tell where the story is going as the Vanny ending is the fall of Glitchtrap and the Burntrap ending is the fall of Afton’s agony.
Yeah lol
I was thinking about this theory and I had an epiphany all of a sudden, what if Vanny is an AR entity like MXES, and honestly the more I thought about it the more sense it made especially in the context of this theory, it explains why Freddy can’t see her until he gets Roxy’s eyes, it explains the two Vanessa’s in the fire escape ending, it explains why Gregory’s vision messes up when she’s nearby, it explains how she can die multiple times in this theory and it also explains the discrepancy’s in the Vanny Mask’s appearance
Oooo that's a really interesting idea!
FNaF lore is like a saying my dad said once, he said "You see a car and you can tell its gonna crash, you know its gonna be bad but you cant stop looking"
Sounds like Mr hippo would say that 💀
@@Spinofaarus_boi lol
Pfft
That's why our freddy back on security breach never have any upgrades cuz he may have the prototype freddy's memories install into it
I always thought Monty decommissioned Bonnie was stupid, cuz i dont think they would want anothers place in the band for no reason. More fame? Why would a robot gator want that?
Exactly
I usually find your shorts and i like watching them, but MAN i like even more watching a full video.
Good to hear!
You are fast becoming one of my favorite analysis content creators
Thank you!
Interesting theory, especially regarding the possibility of Gregory experiencing every established ending while trapped in the AR world.
Thanks!
That could also probably explain the random detail on Gregory which is his bandage, if something was implanted in him like how cassie had the ar stuff implanted in her there would be some sort of marking and he probably covered it up with the bandage and that's why vanny glitches put whenever shebgets close to us because shes interrupting the implant with her own device
Ooo interesting
This theory actually has a lot of thought put into it without feeling like you are trying to counter what everyone else says which is good
Thank you!
This is the first FNaF theory video where I 100% agree with everything (except Nightmarionne being retconned into the canon in SB),
it's such an awesome theory video, thank you for making this masterpiece :D
Well, I'm not saying it was retconned into being canon, since Scott only said it wasn't canon to FNAF 4 so other appearances would be canon, but I'm really glad the video works well for you! I appreciate the kind words :D
@@IDsFantasy Of course, and now with that clarification, it's now a video I truly agree with ^^
(I also hope this is what actually happens, and is followed up in Help Wanted 2)
i LOVE your take on how Cassidy could have not beaten glitchtrap, i never thought about the arcade machine in that light. If what you said turns out to be true, i'd say he might show up in help wanted 2 lol
William wasn’t going to let a little girl defeat him the second time
@@dylanhudec979 LMFAOOOO
Yep! It'll be interesting to see
'Gregory actually lived the Five Nights at Freddys' WHAAAT, that's so sickkkk, it's like meta narrative. We have to play the game multiple times because Gregory did live it multiple times, that's a cool concept
I'm glad you like it!
To be honest i think its vanny/vanessa when we see glamrock bonnies body is security breach ruined it resembles how freddy looked when the staff bots broke him and the one that controlled the staff bots was vanny/vaness and also in security breach vanessa has no problem with scrapping the animatronics as she told freddy that if she found out he was helping Gregory around the pizza plex she would scrap him and monty would be the lead until he got a new endoskeleton made for him.
Interesting!
Also for the end of sb, it’s implied that you have to beat ALL the princess quests games to defeat it, and in help wanted 2 THERES a fourth one so Gregory couldn’t deafest it.
So , along with the other facts, I do believe that’s not the real ending.
Yep
I like the idea that the Princess Quest ending happened first and that they dealt with Burntrap together, that puts them both in position to potentially find the Mimic and if its true that they aren't at the pizzeria then they may have found a tunnel in those caves to escape, likely destroying it as they left in case the Mimic somehow got past the concrete and tried to follow them
Nice!
Did anyone check to see if there's anything strange in ruin. Like how when you did old man consequences ending in fnaf world you get a star in pizzaria simulator(I think that was the game where you get the star) we could never know if scott is trying to pull a fast one on us
15:59 His perception of time is in fact altered; in the Pizzaplex, time is not what you're used to. Picking up the damaged head sets the time to 5:15, and if you somehow do that without ever being in lost & found, then by entering lost & found you time travel back to 2 am. While harder than it was upon release, that maneuver is still possible in the latest version of Security Breach. Be careful when time travelling though, travel in time too far and land in just the wrong point and Moon will instantly get you.
For me, them putting in a broken Freddy model and then writing "Prototype" on it is just a blatant clue that Scott & co. are not trying to write one single concise story, but rather a story that they can alter to their will later on if they change their minds. That wasn't the case 8 years ago, or at least it didn't jump out to me back then, and I find this frustrating.
(also psst get me up to speed, did ruin confirm or deny anything about Vanessa and Vanny being the same? I kinda stopped my playthrough somewhere close to the beginning and didn't continue it lmao)
Ruin didn't confirm or deny anything with Vanny and Vanessa
One thing i find odd is the fact that both monty and chica have lost their special upgrades (given that monty is missing his legs) which implies that gregory has defeated both of them, beating both chica and monty isn't necessary for the princess quest ending but it is for the burntrap ending, could this mean something?
very cool video! quick thing about the storyteller! it never refers to the yellow chica as glamrock chica, only as chica. in other stories we know there are multiple characters in the pizzaplex, way more than the ones we see in sb, ballora for instance. i think the original fnaf 1 animatronics were also at the pizzaplex (not the possesed ones), maybe on that stage we see in rockstar row but after the storytellers events fazent decides to slim down how many characters are at the plex, maybe because of mimic1, as well as that i think it says that problems were reported all over the plex mentioning bonnie bowl. but i think i agree that it was maybe prototype freddy that killed glamrock bonnie
Fair point! Though technically Glamrock Freddy is also Freddy Fazbear so I wouldn't be too reliant on the Glamrock term being put in from. But still yeah!
I LOVE THE PROTOTYPE THEORY
I LIKE THE IDEA SM. I think the wet floor sign bots have cameras. And that Bonnie's ai is active and watching people (which is why the bots stare as Cassie and Gregory are there when they aren't supposed to be)
I'm glad!!! Ooo that is interesting
Is anything in FNaF real anymore, first everything’s a dream, then it’s all a game, than it’s gas. This franchise has never had consistency when it comes to reality.
The comic drawings show spring trap and tangled, and yet tangled still existing, I love these games but it’s slowly killing me.
Fair enough lol
Glad you've got a new video out. It's been a while since someone reminded me not to get stabbed.
Nice XD
ID getting that sponsor money, great job
Thanks!
This is a great theory video, It’s awesome that you don’t jump to conclusions like many others. Would be the biggest plot twist ever if Prototype Freddy was the one who decommissioned Glamrock Bonnie, I can imagine people’s faces if that’s actually the case lol, I’m so glad you didn’t pin the blame on Monty like many others, I’m also very glad you didn’t say Roxy did it like I saw some people saying because her claws are green, If she did it, Then her whole bond with Cassie and character development would all just go down the drain and would be completely pointless, I don’t think Steel Wool would even redeem her if she killed him.
Yeah. Plus it doesn't look like scratched off paint so that wouldn't really work anyway