@@J.M.-nb4gwthat's not entirely accurate, if we continue it will be worse... if we can halt our contribution we can limit the severity in many ways... even if we are already in for at least the consequences of 2°C
@@J.M.-nb4gw I notice oil trolls use the 'apathetic' (all hope is lost) tropes on chat posts authored by non-American organisations; but will outright deny climate change is happening in the US chat pages. Have you noticed that?
The Arctic minimum summer sea ice trend is zero for the past 17 years. In the past few years it was almost as high as 1995. The probability that this could be due to chance has now dropped to 10% (after Swart et al calculations, 2015). If the hiatus continues until 2027, it will become statistically significant (p
I've been banging the gong about this issue for a few years. Not to mention the ancient viruses and fungi that has been tucked away under the permafrost.
The Arctic minimum summer sea ice trend is zero for the past 17 years. In the past few years it was almost as high as 1995. The probability that this could be due to chance has now dropped to 10% (after Swart et al calculations, 2015). If the hiatus continues until 2027, it will become statistically significant (p
BBC are communists CO2 is helping our planet get greener and will help to feed the starving because plans grow fast with more CO2. Our planet is 5% greener than it was 20 years ago thanks to more CO2, which is only .04% of the atmosphere.
@@OldScientist We are now set to go below the 2012 minimum as the NSIDC graph now shows. It's been down spiraling for the last 10-15 years as the planet heats (now ABOVE 2C since 1750). Info from the GRACE and GRACE FO sensors shows Greenland Ice Mass Loss at around 5 Gigatons since around 2002. It has also been noted that the Antarctic Ice Shelf has failed to re-freeze normally during the last two years. You do not have to be a "Scientist" (I have 3 quarters of college physics) to realize the implications of a Blue Ocean Event in the Arctic and what loss of Shelf Ice will mean to the Antarctic. You went "the long way around the barn" to say you're a Denier, That these exponential changes are now occurring is something that certain Agencies and Military around the world do know (who must have the most accurate data available...) but also know that telling the Public just how bad it is would not please them (the public) at all! Those who have dared to say just how bad it's getting (Climatologists, Meteorologists,) have had to contend with Death Threats....From right-wing deniers in this country.
The Arctic minimum summer sea ice trend is zero for the past 17 years. In the past few years it was almost as high as 1995. The probability that this could be due to chance has now dropped to 10% (after Swart et al calculations, 2015). If the hiatus continues until 2027, it will become statistically significant (p
@@OldScientist Look up "The graph above shows Arctic sea ice extent as of January 3, 2024, along with daily ice extent data for four previous years and the record low year. " on the NSIDC website and then try telling me with a straight face that all is well with Arctic Ice cover.
There are no actual global observational data on changes to permafrost. The Li et al 2022 paper 'Changes in permafrost extent and active layer thickness in the Northern Hemisphere from 1969 to 2018' states "The temporal change characteristics of the permafrost extent and ALT [active layer thickness] for the NH [Northern Hemisphere] have not been studied." These things have only been poorly estimated or modelled. The aforementioned paper modelled permafrost extent decreased from 23.25 × 10⁶km2 (average from 1969 to 1973) to 21.64 × 10⁶km2 (average from 2014 to 2018), with a linear rate of −0.023 × 10⁶ km2/a. That's an annual change of 0.099 of a percent. That's negligible and could just as easily be increasing due to the uncertainty in the modelling. Out of global estimated emissions of methane of around 600 Tg CH4 per year, the best estimate of emissions from pan-Arctic permafrost is 1 Tg CH4 per year (Elder et al, 2021), so that's less than 0.17%. It's almost nothing.
We are staring down the barrel of several major tipping points. Glaciers worldwide are shrinking, both polar icecaps are receding, the permafrost isn't staying permanently frosty. The sooner we get away from coal, gas and oil the better ... but it is probably too late. The global disruption that is coming will start as a trickle, but will end in a flood. Where does the bulk of humanity live? Near coasts. Which areas will be hit the hardest and the soonest? Near the coasts. Time to buy a houseboat.
The Arctic minimum summer sea ice trend is zero for the past 17 years. In the past few years it was almost as high as 1995. The probability that this could be due to chance has now dropped to 10% (after Swart et al calculations, 2015). If the hiatus continues until 2027, it will become statistically significant (p
You understand that all of this ice has been melting for the last 20,000 years right? Melting ice isn't going to kill anything. Life flourishes under warming, just like it's done over the last 20,000 years.
@@anthonymorris5084 You understand that you're an idiot who hasn't a clue what's going on? Like, this melting ice is causing a positive feedback loop by releasing both CO2 and methane, pushing the temps up higher. Like, various low-lying countries are already suffering coastal flooding, and island nations are starting to go under. Like, the acidification of the oceans is killing the bases of the food chain, which will cause a collapse. Like, melting fresh water, especially from Greenland, will likely drastically change the course of the Gulf stream? (I visited Ireland about 10 years ago, and there are palm trees on the southern coast. How cool is that! They can exist because of the Gulf stream. Ireland will become much colder if that changes.) In other words, it's not about "a little melting ice".
@@danaplaczek9664 When you have no argument, just throw a tantrum and hurl insults. What on Earth makes you think I'm going to read a comment that starts out with an infantile insult. You immediately lose all credibility. I don't chat with children.
@@anthonymorris5084 LOLOLOL! And by your Climate Change Denial, you've shown yourself to be on an intellectual par with Flat Earthers and Creationists.
The human animal has spent some centuries first stripping the land of trees, the use & abuse of the Oceans came next , quickly followed by the atmosphere. The young lady researcher gave an honest answer ie NO. The poisen mix is now upon us, 30 yrs for normal life.
The Arctic minimum summer sea ice trend is zero for the past 17 years. In the past few years it was almost as high as 1995. The probability that this could be due to chance has now dropped to 10% (after Swart et al calculations, 2015). If the hiatus continues until 2027, it will become statistically significant (p
@@markberryhill2715 There isn't a scientist on the face of the Earth that would back this ridiculous hyperbolic claim. This is why we don't take you folks seriously.
@@wolfheart763 How myopic. Humanity has never been safer, healthier or more prosperous than at any time in history, by any measurement you care to examine. Humans are problem solvers and we create wondrous things. What you call greed, I call drive and ambition. Greed is an epithet used against anybody who is successful and has more than you do, because of course you're not greedy. What on Earth is wrong with "profit"? A profit is nothing but positive. It benefits the person who generated the profit and humanity benefits from the product and service that was created.
What the average person does not understand and they really do need to know this and take heed, is that the damage is done . Even if tomorrow we stopped all CO2 being admitted into the atmosphere it would not have any desired affect. The best scenario is it would slow down a little bit. It's like a start of a long marathon once the starting shot was fired it's already to late. The feedback loop is already in affect. Once the global atmosphere goes passed a certain point which it has already, its just a long slope to global change in land and sea. The earth will still be here just not the same as we know it now. Coastline , mass migration inland , and as always in every disaster the poor will suffer and probably die first. Agricultural land will be affected greatly , meaning starvation on a mass scale. If you are under the age of 20 you will witness these changes with your own eyes. What we are witnessing now is the just a small footnote of the horror to come.
Yep exactly 💯 I'm now 64 years old and very glad that we decided to not have children, we are totally headed towards an apocalyptic future and I hope I'm gone before it completely collapses 😢
Aren't you the optimist thinking only 20 somethings will see the inevitable. I believe we have passed several transition events already. These usually have taken much longer to happen than what has and is currently happening so the freight train is gaining speed. Otherwise you are pretty on point but, you forgot about the wars for resources.
The plates are moving, you’ve got volcanoes and tsunamis, Farallon Plate triggers San Andreas fault - triggers Helina Slump - better 😂 call Jesus my friend
Exactly. I don't understand why scientists tiptoe around the significance of passing tipping points that just set the planet on a self fueling spiral towards an extinction level event for humans.
@@OldScientistdon’t give them real facts they just tell you that you false science , we been coming out of an ice age fir 40,000 years , a mini ice age 1400 years ago , the earth as been much warmer , co2 has been much higher in past centuries , we are warming because we are going back to pre ice age normal temps , this all scare tactic to get money . Co2 is plant food and has little do food with warming , at 400 to 500 parts per million , things grow faster , stronger , produce more , and will use up even more co2 . These scientists told us in 1979 that we were headed back into the next ice age .
In the future the survivors will reference the tipping point years when things happened faster than could be managed and a killer heat belt split the planet into north and south habitable zones.
BBC are communists CO2 is helping our planet get greener and will help to feed the starving because plans grow fast with more CO2. Our planet is 5% greener than it was 20 years ago thanks to more CO2, which is only .04% of the atmosphere.
BBC are communists CO2 is helping our planet get greener and will help to feed the starving because plans grow fast with more CO2. Our planet is 5% greener than it was 20 years ago thanks to more CO2, which is only .04% of the atmosphere.
Those who contributed least to our problems sacrifice the most to their way of life, those living in the far north, those living on low elevation islands, diverse animals in the rainforests. It's our new sad reality. Too few at the top are willing to change their way of life as we watch the slow decline of life on earth.
The only "decline of life on Earth" is plant and animal life all due from overfishing, poaching and habitat destruction due to human encroachment. Warming hasn't killed anything. Rising populations are killing everything.
Nah. Humanity has risen and fallen more times than our history records / admits. Plenty of evidence for it but established academia rests upon established laurels.
The Arctic minimum summer sea ice trend is zero for the past 17 years. In the past few years it was almost as high as 1995. The probability that this could be due to chance has now dropped to 10% (after Swart et al calculations, 2015). If the hiatus continues until 2027, it will become statistically significant (p
Yet every possible metric of human wellbeing has never been better than right now, and as developing countries continue to develop it will continue to get better.
Since 1900 the global temperature has increased by 1.3°C. Despite that humanity has flourished. Life expectancy has more than doubled from 32 to 73 years. Literacy has quadrupled from 21% to 86%. Humans are seven times more productive ($2,241 to $15,212 GDP per capita, per annum). People are better fed, having ⅓ more calories every day (2,192kcal to 2,928kcal). Global extreme poverty rates have tumbled from 70% to less than 10% (
I feel blessed to live near Fairbanks, Alaska. As I listen to the heat-related hazards people are living with “down south,” I appreciate that I can always wear more clothes and insulate my house to survive the cold. I would not be surprised to learn that it takes less energy to heat a well-insulated house than to cool one from the temperatures in phoenix. I guess that would depend on many factors. It’s also getting warmer here, so staying warm is easier than it used to be.
How old's this footage? 2:43 she's on about October, was that 2023 or before? I'm not complaining, just curious. It was a nice little video. We've wounded the Earth alright, with countless cuts over a long period of time, slicing several arteries. 7:05 was a great answer.
The Arctic minimum summer sea ice trend is zero for the past 17 years. In the past few years it was almost as high as 1995. The probability that this could be due to chance has now dropped to 10% (after Swart et al calculations, 2015). If the hiatus continues until 2027, it will become statistically significant (p
I think the video ends with "adapt or perish", which is not necessarily optimistic, just a realistic assessment of life and death in a rapidly changing world.
The Arctic minimum summer sea ice trend is zero for the past 17 years. In the past few years it was almost as high as 1995. The probability that this could be due to chance has now dropped to 10% (after Swart et al calculations, 2015). If the hiatus continues until 2027, it will become statistically significant (p
I read in irish times newspaper that cork university which has kept a yearly account of the Gulf Stream, stated that Gulf Stream has slowed 12% since records began in 1988. In scientific America future climatic warming changes on there models all show a reduction in Gulf Stream.. But it’s happening since 1988 at least…
How do we recognize if we have already crossed the point where the methane released from thawing permafrost fuels climate warming sufficiently to make even more permafrost thaw? How can we know if there is still a point in trying to stop climate warming, or we have already crossed the tipping point beyond which thawing permafrost will keep releasing methane and making the climate warmer until all permafrost is thawed?
@@peterp5099 great questions, to offer some direction... we've hit the very beginning of that tipping point... can it be corrected is up for debate... and the methane will oxidize into CO2. There's absolutely a point to stopping our pollution emissions. We can survive a 2°C world. 3°C gets sketchy. But the 5-7°C world we would be headed for if we continue business as usual would be cataclysmic for humanity. Additionally, the major impacts in the 1.5-2°C range can be mitigated to some degree if we're actively lowering our emissions and preventing the large scale devastation from the 100 largest polluting entities. We're in flux, we're at the tipping point, not quite crossed over... we're hoping at least. This means we could likely prevent some from melting entirely... and at least the bottom layers hundreds of feet into the earth. Don't think of permafrost as just the ice on the surface. It descends quite deep.
@@Nathan-hb3pu I don't so much worry, as I do study. And hope for an outcome beneficial to the people of this world. It's not that the dangers aren't worrisome. But rather that my hope is for a better path.
The Arctic minimum summer sea ice trend is zero for the past 17 years. In the past few years it was almost as high as 1995. The probability that this could be due to chance has now dropped to 10% (after Swart et al calculations, 2015). If the hiatus continues until 2027, it will become statistically significant (p
Since 1900 the global temperature has increased by 1.3°C. Despite that humanity has flourished. Life expectancy has more than doubled from 32 to 73 years. Literacy has quadrupled from 21% to 86%. Humans are seven times more productive ($2,241 to $15,212 GDP per capita, per annum). People are better fed, having ⅓ more calories every day (2,192kcal to 2,928kcal). Global extreme poverty rates have tumbled from 70% to less than 10% (
@@OldScientist LOLOLOL! Tell that to the people now under a heat dome in the US. Or the Californians enduring wildfires every summer, a few of which don't actually stop in the fall. I've already mentioned other consequences. Since actual evidence means nothing to you, let's talk about the radical greens who think it's real: First is the big oil companies themselves. It's clear from released documents that the oil companies new about global warming at leas as far back as the early 70s. They of course did the "rational" thing - they suppressed the information. Next is the Republican Party, back when it was at least rational. In 1988 hearings were held on the problem, in a totally Republican-controlled Congress under Ronald Reagan. Those hearings concluded that Global Warming is a potential problem that needed to be serious studies. Reagan's successor Bush the Elder issued a Proclamation declaring this. Given the timing of Big Oil's obfuscation campaign, I'm betting that a Texas oil man declaring GW a problem made them nervous. That was the end of a rational Repub Party... Finally is that well-known radical enviro group, the US military. For a few decades now they've been planning for environmental crisis. Of course, being the military this planning mostly involved resource war scenarios, especially water. Because of Global Overheating and the resultant increase in storm intensity, it's now very difficult to impossible to get property insurance in states such as Florida. This will get worse. Your position is an amazingly ignorant one, in the true sense of ignoring the facts. And like arguing with Flat Earthers or Creationists, I'm just wasting my time engaging.
Really? The Arctic minimum summer sea ice trend is zero for the past 17 years. In the past few years it was almost as high as 1995. The probability that this could be due to chance has now dropped to 10% (after Swart et al calculations, 2015). If the hiatus continues until 2027, it will become statistically significant (p
Carbon sequestration! When I lived in Fairbanks Alaska, someone parked 2 D9 bulldozers, in a field, off University Rd. unfortunately it was on permafrost, they sank 8 -9ft from solar heat transfer, over the course of a month!
7:28 - "what we can do, is make more informed decisions; and make sure we build communities that are resilliant to change thats going to occur." I'll be honest, I agreed with the first part of this line, but then the second part of the line had me divided. The pessimistic view is, why are we planning for failure? the informed decision is to act now to prevent it from getting worse. The realist view tells me, that this isnt something we're going to get past and need to adapt as per what was said. I'd rather turn my pessimisitic view in an optimistic one than go with the latter. We could do both at once, so it's a missed opportunity in the video to not call it out, if the context of the video itself wasn't enough to tell you that anyway.
Lol, I think it was the Canadian writer, Farley Mowat, in the late eighties or early nineties who said, if we start now we MIGHT be able to avert this crises. Thirty years later and here we are. It's like inflation. We think we're doing something about it, but reducing inflation is not eliminating it and now we know we can't, short of letting our whole civilization collapse.. And now we think by addressing our carbon footprints we think we're "doing something about it" when, like inflation, man made climate change keeps growing and accelerating.
Individual responsibility in carbon footprint is pretending a fraction of an 8 billionth of 6% of a problem is more likely to alter the problem than regulating and addressing the 100 entities producing 70% or more of the problem.
There's nothing man-made about it. The comet impact of the Younger Dryas that buried all those plants and animals under snow and ice caused this. It was always going to thaw and the clock started ticking thousands of years ago.
@@valoriethechemistbro we are leaving an ice age .... Happened thousands of times before..... Stop believing what politicians who are trying to make money tell you........
Tragically, it will be hard to direct sufficient resources to smaller populations when we start seeing climate change deaths in densely populated areas.
The Arctic minimum summer sea ice trend is zero for the past 17 years. In the past few years it was almost as high as 1995. The probability that this could be due to chance has now dropped to 10% (after Swart et al calculations, 2015). If the hiatus continues until 2027, it will become statistically significant (p
What is even the point of mentioning that thawing permafrost has the potential to open up new mining and farming opportunities? It's not going to amount to anything if in the process we have tipped the climate to such a severity that the Earth is increasingly uninhabitable. It also completely glazes over the infrastructural challenge it would be to develop those industries atop periglacial environments that have been thrown into a state of imbalance by permafrost thaw. It's pretty irresponsible to frame the further development of environmentally harmful industries as a potential "positive" to the widespread environmental destruction we are observing in the Arctic, especially to the general public who have little public education on Physical Geography in general. As a Masters student who did her undergraduate thesis on the active layer and is undertaking further permafrost research, it is really disappointing to see this being framed in any other way than disasterous - even if it was only for a few seconds.
With even the slightest increase in temperature, humans can't function as they normally could. The zombie survivors won't be lucid enough to plant crops, they'll be brain hunting!
@@Le_Comte_de_Monte_FelinOnly in protected fjord valleys, but not on retreating ice shields where there's only rock flour, sand and gravel. In Alberta they are restoring permafrost pit excavation after stripping the ice out, then remixing the granular soil then blading the scalped tundra back and tree planting. Only perennial plants and grasses survive the cold.
When it comes to tipping points this is what the IPCC (Special Report on implications of 1.5C or more warming, Chapter 3) says:“there is little evidence for a tipping point in the transition from perennial to seasonal ice cover. No evidence has been found for irreversibility or tipping points, suggesting that year-round sea ice will return given a suitable climate”. The IPCC also do not believe the melting of the arctic permafrost will cause a tipping point in the release of warming methane gas “the carbon released to the atmosphere from thawing permafrost is projected to be restricted to 0.09-0.19 Gt C yr-1 at 2°C of global warming and to 0.08-0.16 Gt C yr-1 at 1.5°C, which does not indicate a tipping point”. The Earth's climate is a multi input thermodynamic system and will conform to Le Chatelier's Principle.
That's already happening and not talked about usually. The amount of carbon captured in the permafrost and being released is already influencing Climate Change results. It is likely to produce a huge sudden increase in carbon release into the atmosphere. The results of that are scary. Oil companies in Canada have quietly been abandoning infrastructure there because the solid can no longer hold it. Our insanity, greed and irresponsibility will come to hit us hard in our faces.
Methane represents 0.00017% of the atmosphere. This means that levels of saturation needed for combustion can't occur atmospherically as 5.5% methane would be needed globally. That doesn't mean locally we don't see problems in "natural gas" (methane) releases and leaks. But the atmosphere combusting from methane would be a drastically different world and atmospheric composition.
Temp's. today in Greenland are well above freezing, both day and night, with isobars running from the Gulf to Greenland. I suspect similar across the arctic permafrost. The tipping point has been reached and crossed. If you respond, try to use something a bit more intelligent than indescript imagoes.
What I don't understand is, if the USA, Europe, Australia, NZ etc first world countries were FIRST WORLD countries years back, why didn't they try to get to renewable energy faster and get energy efficient at least to 70%, wouldn't it have been better today? Today most blame is put on other developing countries aka the counties which produce the stuff to be sold for those first world countries majorly. what stopped them and what stops them even now? Imagine being vegan/non-vegetarian without thinking about the ecological and climate effects of your diets? Its weird how everyone is just throwing blames around instead of doing something on their own community level or more as an individual.
They did years back. We do and still do. There have been climate pushes since the 70s. In response, major misinformation campaigns and political maneuvering from oil companies (literally stealing the tobacco playbook of lie and tell them it's good for you) halted and prevented much of the progress for decades. What you're observing is more misinformation and political maneuvering.
And all the peat bogs being harvested. At least they'll be able to clone wooly mammoths and other frozen critters. (Which begs the question: what caused them to all just fall over dead near simultaneously? )
The Arctic minimum summer sea ice trend is zero for the past 17 years. In the past few years it was almost as high as 1995. The probability that this could be due to chance has now dropped to 10% (after Swart et al calculations, 2015). If the hiatus continues until 2027, it will become statistically significant (p
Aren't you folks always boasting about "the science"? Please find me one scientist on this entire planet that claims we're going to turn into Venus. This is why we don't take you folks seriously.
There are no actual global observational data on changes to permafrost. The Li et al 2022 paper 'Changes in permafrost extent and active layer thickness in the Northern Hemisphere from 1969 to 2018' states "The temporal change characteristics of the permafrost extent and ALT [active layer thickness] for the NH [Northern Hemisphere] have not been studied." These things have only been poorly estimated or modelled. The aforementioned paper modelled permafrost extent decreased from 23.25 × 10⁶km2 (average from 1969 to 1973) to 21.64 × 10⁶km2 (average from 2014 to 2018), with a linear rate of −0.023 × 10⁶ km2/a. That's an annual change of 0.099 of a percent. That's negligible and could just as easily be increasing due to the uncertainty in the modelling. Out of global estimated emissions of methane of around 600 Tg CH4 per year, the best estimate of emissions from pan-Arctic permafrost is 1 Tg CH4 per year (Elder et al, 2021), so that's less than 0.17%. It's almost nothing. Since 1900 the global temperature has increased by 1.3°C. In that time humanity has flourished. Life expectancy has more than doubled from 32 to 73 years. Literacy has quadrupled from 21% to 86%. Humans are seven times more productive ($2,241 to $15,212 GDP per capita, per annum). People are better fed, having ⅓ more calories every day (2,192kcal to 2,928kcal). Global extreme poverty rates have tumbled from 70% to less than 10% (
Here are my own personal observations, over 56 years: I moved to my present location in 1968. At that time we were in the USDA growing zone 6a -10Fto 5F. Today it is zone 7a 0 to -5, However, we haven't had a below zero in over 20 years, and into the teens the past 10. The last five years it didn't go below 20. Also my growing season has gone from May 30 last Freeze date to April 1 last freeze day . From Oct. 1 first freeze day to Dec. 27 first freeze date. I had a very productive garden all those years. Except for the last 5 when the heat burned up my crops, even though they were protected with shade coverings, and automatic water systems. . That's 56 years. Climate is defined as 30 years or more. Additionally the ground use to freeze in the winter up to 3 feet, and sometimes more. This year it was only a light surface freeze that thawed during daylight hours. The small snow fall that we experienced melted within 24 hours. There is a farm located down the street that had been in continuous operation since 1639. Their fields are now fallow, although their greenhouses remain in operation. There are 450 farms in the small state of Connecticut, where I live, that have gone out of business in the past four or five years, because of adverse weather conditions. Which means the state has lost the produce from those farms and now has to replace it with imports from other areas. Field grown local tomatoes that use to cost about $1.25 lb are now being replaced by imports selling for upward of $5.00 lb. Just anecdotal but I could fill up several volumes with them. And this is just the results of the current changes in our climate in our location. Not the radical climate changes that have been predicted.
It would be more effective to join in groups and figure out a way to change the system instead of individual choices. So you could do with your car, but thank you for your efforts irregardless. I am however, currently having trouble finding active climate advocacy groups to join in.
The entire northern hemisphere was once covered in mile thick ice. When the ice receded the permafrost melted. Methane was released. Humans survived just fine without an ounce of technology.
@@maryjeanjones7569 That's a totally separate argument. Climate policies will have a vastly greater detrimental effect on humanity than warming. Poverty kills countless millions more than warming ever will and all climate policies induce greater poverty. Warming isn't the threat, climate policy is the threat. Warming has occurred over the last 200 years. During this entire period humans have never been safer, healthier or more prosperous than at any time in history.
@@anthonymorris5084 Climate change causes icebergs to melt which causes oceans to rise which causes flooding all around the globe. This destroys crops which affects people's ability to eat and sell their crops. Lack of rain makes it difficult to grow crops. Very dry earth is causing many wildfires around the globe. Etc, etc, etc
@@maryjeanjones7569 According to NASA sea levels are rising at 3.4mm per year. This is imperceptible without scientific instruments. It's less than half a meter in a hundred years. Food production continues to rise. This trend has never been interrupted. The planet is not experiencing a "lack of rain". Inexpensive reliable energy allows us to irrigate crops. The Canadian Ministry of Natural Resources has fire data for Canada. They have a graph right on their web page that shows an uninterrupted decline in forest fires for the last 44 years. That's how far back the data goes. The American forestry department has fire data going back more than 75 years. It shows a precipitous decline in both burn acreage and forest fires. The statements you are making are simply not backed by the data. You are just parroting climate tropes.
Correlations and probabilities and cause and effect are of interest to me. The splitting of the earths crust to the magma in long fissures by way of nuclear bombs has occurred in the pursuit of lithium. The effects are two fold from the Salton sea to Mojave magma fissure. First the Salton sea over time from 2000 to 2020 went dry. But more importantly the earths atmosphere has heated up. The North Pole was noted to diminish in its ice cap from 2000 to 2020 in an incremental fashion over time. The North Pole ice cap is kept cold by the South Pole ice cap. 10 percent of polar ice is in North Pole and 90 percent is in South Pole. I estimate 150 to 360 years and a major polar ice depletion will cause catastrophic effects to the eco systems of the earth. Polar ice cap disequilibrium will be at its worst with heat pockets causing greater fires and greater floods and tornadoes and hurricanes. The apparent war I saw in 1999 in federal banking regulation and the Salton indicates I may have been deceived and maybe not. The lithium wars correlated with the murders and replacement of billionaire business men like Warren Buffett circa 1990 and federal banking regulators over the years. The escalation for war as in the 2001 deception of the Muslims in planes attacking the World Trade Center indicates the opaque block did not stand still. The opaque block is sometimes seen as the unstoppable force. They can he stopped. You have to shut off the noise. They may disappear they may have to be executed. The sheets machines where delusion of a person taunting you to fight is behind or away from a bright light. Many of us were made infertile. Some of us were genetically altered to not really human. I was offered death once at age 13. Ruby a matriarch of a brothel and an orphanage offered me a needle with morphine and even had a wood casket brought to the front door. The splitting of the earths crust is our coffin. Salton sea lithium production creates a myriad of effects. Fog is thicker and longer lasting in areas of the California southern coast Fungus is growing on some trees. It could impact fruit trees. 3 peaches for $3 dollars sale price. I was labeled criminal by the opaque block and my medical records were written by bureaucrats with criminal intent in California ij 2001. I have been severely injured with attacks in 2001 and 2004 and 2024. The last time they really hurt me. But somehow I saw iraq and Kuwait as victimized as myself. The truth is I want exit from life and I want change. I can likely get what I want if I go to the Muslim nations bludgeoned by the opaque block. I want a peaceful exit. The opaque block does not like to allow peaceful exit. They like warfare as it profits them financially. A joke. In some places they cook eggs in the sand. If you put eggs in the sand over the magma crevice from Hector mine Mojave desert to south Salton sea they may be over cooked. All I want is out peacefully. Kurt Brown Saintrambone Mobile Audit Club
Human activities "could" turn this around conceivably. It will mean having to sacrifice the consumption-at-all-costs lifestyle that's already got people trapped. It'll mean having to give up the American Lawn Status Symbol and grow food and restore nature. That's going to be hard on some billionaires for sure. It'll mean giving up on second garages and storage facilities for all the crap we never needed in the first place. Uh, oh, panic is setting in! It might mean lowering rents and ending homelessness so that people can have time for their families, communities, and gardens. "OMG, NO!!!" screams the billionaire through fattened purple lips, his jowls rumbling in consternation, "we can never let that happen!"
People do not like change particularly as they age and it is older people who control most of the wealth and therefore the power in each country.The permafrost will melt, the only question is when it will affect those who are primarily causing global heating.Until they see their unsustainable lifestyles threatened nothing will be done to help those on the frontline of an existential problem that none of us can avoid indefinitely.
Do people realise the earth would actually be in a mini ice age right now, if it wasn't for human civilisation. Many comments here demonstrate astounding ignorance.
It is 250 degrees above the atmosphere, only 76 degrees on the surface. 174 degrees of solar heat gone, blocked out by the CO2 and other “greenhouse gases”. Yes, they keep some heat in, about 20 degrees, but they block out 194 degrees for a net temperature of 174. Gilbert Plass is the father of CO2 warming. His paper in 1955 THE CARBON DIOXIDE THEORY OF CLIMATE CHANGE started all this idiocy. The first sentence of the Abstract for his papers states: “The most recent calculations of the infra-red flux in the region of the 15 micron CO2, band show that the average surface temperature of the earth increases 3.6” C if the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is doubled and decreases 3.8’ C if the CO2 amount is halved, provided that no other factors change which influence the radiation balance.” You get warming ONLY if added CO2 does not change the radiation balance, meaning the heat entering does not fall with added CO2. Before satellites, all scientists worked from the assumption that the sun mostly produced visible light and little heat. That visible light warmed the earth as the levels of CO2 and water vapor blocked out all the sun’s heat. Adding CO2 will not block out more incoming Sun heat as the was so little coming in to begin with. But this is wrong. Heat is the majority of the sun’s radiation. 30% of the sun’s heat makes it past the atmosphere, so adding more CO2 does change the radiation balance. Added CO2 blocks out more sun heat cooling the earth and reversing the greenhouse effect! Which is what Plass’s paper said. Plass assumed that added CO2 did not change the radiation balance, so added CO2 created a warmer earth, but he was wrong, added CO2 created a cooler earth. 250 above, only 76 degrees below. Cooler earth hotter atmosphere. The Troposphere is getting warmer with added CO2, not the surface. The CO2 in the troposphere is absorbing more incoming sun heat and getting warmer. We are getting warmer, but that is because the Little Ice Age (LIA), ended in 1850. The Earth has been warming up since then. Snow has been melting and the oceans have been warming up. With less and less cold left over from the LIA the warming is accelerating. We are going back to the Earth that existed in the last Inter-Glacial Period when Iceland was baren of ice and the seas were 26 feet higher than today. 20,000 years ago the seas were 110 feet lower than today. This is how it goes on the Earth, warm to cold, low seas to high seas. This is just the first time mankind has had the education and intelligence to understand what is happening. Neanderthals lived through the last Ice Age but they didn’t know there was an ice age, it was just the way it was. Earlier hominids had no idea that they were in an inter-glacial age. All they knew was it was it was warm. Plass’s work is on the internet just google and read it for yourself, you only need to read the first sentence in the abstract.
I would be interested to know how many people died last year in extreme climate events? Especially in the Artic regions due to the reduction of the "Permafrost" ?
What happened all the previous ties it thawed? Was it Fred Flintstone's car? Or during the periods when it was not there at all? Like the Jurassic period? The Himalayas are younger then many animals. Personally and on social media I am known to not only be a multi-disciplined scientist but also have around 300 accurate predictions to my name. Someone that told MSM a very long time ago that I am ignored at your proverbial peril. Now part of a consortium of scientists, engineers and other experts from around the world.
@@saintallnights7239 Actually we do study such Phanerozoic climate changes and find that the previous thaws are related to the same factors were observing today. The rates of changes and mechanisms are different but the changes and their drivers are very similar. Past changes occur due to the life cycle of the earths crust, ocean and plants and major astronomical events. Much of the public discussion is filled with influential and philosophical but not truly scientific and exacting terminology and concepts. The distinction is not a cause for the concepts to be false but rather merely reflect the manner we approach such topics on a large scale conversation and such is well observed in social cognitive theory. I appreciate your questioning but would encourage you to find the answers to your questions rather than post them to persuade people toward falsified information that doesn't reflect what's observed in research and experiments.
At least they spend their profits on sustainable energy. Not just more fracking like Canada and the US. If there is a more harmful choice, the US will make that choice.
Is there really a point relative to the planet or is it just humans because obviously before the current ice age which we are still in there was little if any permafrost before. This disaster scenario seems to be a way for groups of people to assume a position of moral superiority as if we were supposed to be here permanently which is a bit of our narcissistic nature. Have we really done such a good job here that we should be allowed to continue anyway is a legitimate question🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
@@poulhenne That's an extreme exaggeration, more like 5-7c colder on the yearly average, with much warmer summers and really cold winters, most parts of Siberia has very hot in summer and cold in winter yet people live there and survives.
Why are they wearing fur on their hoods?!? Fur is cruel--if you care about the environment I would hope you'd care about the animals who live in it too.
When the holocene interglacial started around 14000 years ago, massive ice sheets over a mile deep receeded rapidly,exposing huge areas of permafrost,which rapidly melted ( think canadian praries) many of those areas are now productive farm land. The melting of the permafrost was a consequence of entirely natural forces causing rapid warming, it was not the cause. Therefor there is zero reason to conclude that the relatively tiny amount of permafrost thaw now can have any effect on temp, as a much larger historical thaw had zero effect on temperature
We should be cooling. You are claiming "my gut feelings with zero science background are telling me" and it's completely wrong. Why deny the work of every single scientist who has worked on this issue?
@@scottekoontz The fact that an interglacial started around 14000 years ago is questioned by noone the fact that ice melts when temperature rises above0 deg C is not in question, the fact that permafrost has melted and then refrozen many a time through earths geologic history is not in question, The fact that after previous glacial retreats (and therefor by implication permafrost thawing) there was no feedback warming loop from methane, means there is no reason for it to occur now. There are a large number of scientists who do not believe that co2 is the control knob of earths climate system.
@@shanecollie5177 "Therefor there is zero reason to conclude that the relatively tiny amount of permafrost thaw now can have any effect on temp" I'm still laughing. Ever hear of methane? "There are a large number of scientists who do not believe that co2 is the control knob of earths climate system." Maybe 100. Good luck with that 0.1%.
@@shanecollie5177 No, us real scientists use energy calculations that are now In Zetajoules added. We're talking meteor strike that ended the dinosaurs type of energy. It doesn't happen in a single impact such as with a meteor however. We are much more in oscillating a longer term energy dissipation wave that we're slowly amplifying with each oscillation. Simply put, when people make the kind of claim you have they are merely revealing that they learned enough to think they're correct and no where near enough to know they're incorrect and hopelessly lost in terms of actually appreciating what's occurring. I suggest you go to a university and attend a lecture of the best climate scientist you can find and ask them your questions prior to guessing more in comments.
Look at the daily temperatures in Fairbanks Alaska in October 2024!!! The permafrost is all but gone,& Alaska 's glaciers are melting as fast as Greenland!!! Greenland daily temperatures in October 2024 are well about freezing!!!!
Many native people of the Arctic would like to see their children able to go to college. That is far more important than melting permafrost. In the US state of Indiana much of the farm land is on 50 meters or more of glacial till that was previous permafrost that holds onto water creating wet land environment of anaerobic oxygen lacking soil that sticks to anything with great suction and has not structural support while it holds on to water. It made reliable crops impossible because of root diseases. The solution for farm land was sub-terrain drainage systems of perforated pipes known as field tile because the pipe used to made of fired clay brick material. Now its field tile is perforated plastic pipe. In Indiana to have gravity flow of the field tile to a stream, the streams were canalized and deepened into what the State calls Legal Drains. A standalone system today that doesn't make use of a legal drain has the field tile drain into an underground sump typically a concrete box that can be later pumped for irrigation use or into a stream. When attempting to fix a trail at Paul Ruster Park Indianapolis Indiana that would become mush and quicksand like for months on end, I placed in perforated pipe cutting across the downward heading trail. The trench and later pipe drained a trickle of water for over a year! This is behaving like previous permafrost glacial till. It was over a year later before sections of trail farther down the slope didn't turn into months long periods of mush with the spring rains. This soil that holds on to water is clay fine particles that when it does lose its water shrinks and cracks. It changes volume. It doesn't readily absorb water unless the water is in direct contact with it for a prolonged time of days. Then it holds on to the water. For farming drainage tile is trying to leave some water in the top soil and be affordable so it is spaced maybe 20 meters a part and 2 meters down. For roads and trails that may leave too much saturated over top soil and closer row spacing within 1 meter of the surface is likely needed. For melting permafrost deep drainage should be tried to see if it stabilizes the structural support of the soil. This video contains the UN Climate Change disclaimer. Global warming was officially stated at 1.1°C in 1991 and 1.06°C in 2022. There is no mechanism that would allow greenhouse gas behavior to cause global warming. The back of the United Nation's IPCC science report states it took its greenhouse gas samples at 20,000 meters altitude where it is common high school level knowledge there is no greenhouse radiant energy. This is typical practice for deceptive marketing to state legal data transparency protecting the perpetrators from fraud prosecution. Earth's greenhouse effect is frequently used as a primary example to high school students of a system always in saturation from the strong greenhouse gas water vapor absorbing all the greenhouse radiant energy from the earth with greenhouse gases within 20 meters of the surface that is all around us everyday and can't have its overall effect changed. There is no further greenhouse radiant energy to interact with greenhouse gases. At 1% average tropospheric water vapor over 99% of earth’s greenhouse effect is from water vapor. Water vapor would hold earth's greenhouse effect in saturation if it were the only greenhouse gas in the atmosphere. Arctic warming is taking place with the proving mechanism being warm Atlantic Ocean waters migrating deeper and more frequently into the Arctic Ocean warming it and the region. That warmer water is causing a few weeks less of reflective snow and ice coverage resulting in more solar heat gain to the Arctic region surface. Atmospheric CO2 levels of 1200 ppm about three times what they are today would greatly invigorate C3 plants the majority of plant life on earth greatly greening the planet. 0.4% of the atmosphere is CO2 and on average 1% is H20 water vapor. (1% H20)/(0.4% CO2) = 25. Water vapor is 25 times more present in the atmosphere on average than CO2. Water vapor has an CO2e of 18, 18 X 25 = 450 CO2e total for water vapor to 1 CO2e for CO2. The Earth’s oceans have 3-1/2 million sea floor volcanic vents warming the water and changing it’s chemistry that have not been systematically accounted for.
The climate is always and always will be in flux. We had mammoths and bison up there in Siberia "yesterday" grazing lands that were warm and productive. Check out the results from the Vostok study of the ocean beds for an analysis of the last 500 million years. Then put this abundance of present day information regarding our clumate into context. And stop THE FEAR
Methane comes out regardless of warming permafrost, ocean methane-hydride, or composting weeds and wood. No- emission biochar is an answer to some of that.
It's absolutely amazing the number of marginally educated people who don't realize that we're in an interglacial and that this has happened IN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM since the mid-Brunhes shift 430,000 years ago. We're in the 5th interglacial since. This is why mammoths are found DOWN IN THE PERMAFROST. It's because it wasn't frozen when they walked on it.
The fact that we can notice the change in a human lifetime should scare the shit out of everyone. Eeek.
Yep it does, we are totally screwed and there's not a damn thing we can do to stop it now 😢
And the fact that we can not make any measurable difference to stop it is scary. It's always been that way. ❤
@@J.M.-nb4gwthat's not entirely accurate, if we continue it will be worse... if we can halt our contribution we can limit the severity in many ways... even if we are already in for at least the consequences of 2°C
There is a whole book written on what we can do, several actually.
@@J.M.-nb4gw I notice oil trolls use the 'apathetic' (all hope is lost) tropes on chat posts authored by non-American organisations; but will outright deny climate change is happening in the US chat pages. Have you noticed that?
And most people will vote for the next leader who promises them the cheapest oil.
... and cling to stupidity as an excuse to not be called ignorant.
As long as people can buy the biggest monstrosity of an SUV or other gas guzzler. They will continue to vote that way.
The Arctic minimum summer sea ice trend is zero for the past 17 years. In the past few years it was almost as high as 1995. The probability that this could be due to chance has now dropped to 10% (after Swart et al calculations, 2015). If the hiatus continues until 2027, it will become statistically significant (p
Hopefully.
Better than voting for any Democrat that will continue to destroy our economy.............. lmfao
I've been banging the gong about this issue for a few years. Not to mention the ancient viruses and fungi that has been tucked away under the permafrost.
The Arctic minimum summer sea ice trend is zero for the past 17 years. In the past few years it was almost as high as 1995. The probability that this could be due to chance has now dropped to 10% (after Swart et al calculations, 2015). If the hiatus continues until 2027, it will become statistically significant (p
@@OldScientist . Thus your conclusion is, " GLOBAL WARMING IS A HOAX. "
BBC are communists CO2 is helping our planet get greener and will help to feed the starving because plans grow fast with more CO2. Our planet is 5% greener than it was 20 years ago thanks to more CO2, which is only .04% of the atmosphere.
@@OldScientist We are now set to go below the 2012 minimum as the NSIDC graph now shows. It's been down spiraling for the last 10-15 years as the planet heats (now ABOVE 2C since 1750). Info from the GRACE and GRACE FO sensors shows Greenland Ice Mass Loss at around 5 Gigatons since around 2002. It has also been noted that the Antarctic Ice Shelf has failed to re-freeze normally during the last two years. You do not have to be a "Scientist" (I have 3 quarters of college physics) to realize the implications of a Blue Ocean Event in the Arctic and what loss of Shelf Ice will mean to the Antarctic. You went "the long way around the barn" to say you're a Denier, That these exponential changes are now occurring is something that certain Agencies and Military around the world do know (who must have the most accurate data available...) but also know that telling the Public just how bad it is would not please them (the public) at all! Those who have dared to say just how bad it's getting (Climatologists, Meteorologists,) have had to contend with Death Threats....From right-wing deniers in this country.
Yes and I believe that might be the next pandemic in the world, especially affecting the Pacific island nations with the health risks
To bad Scientists didn't warn us about this in the 1950s.... oh wait. My bad.
The Arctic minimum summer sea ice trend is zero for the past 17 years. In the past few years it was almost as high as 1995. The probability that this could be due to chance has now dropped to 10% (after Swart et al calculations, 2015). If the hiatus continues until 2027, it will become statistically significant (p
Too bad climate zealots haven't understood that no threat is materializing.
Name five people who truly understand what is meant by a 'positive feedback loop'
@@OldScientist Look up "The graph above shows Arctic sea ice extent as of January 3, 2024, along with daily ice extent data for four previous years and the record low year. " on the NSIDC website and then try telling me with a straight face that all is well with Arctic Ice cover.
Dunno about your source but I knew 20 years ago we were screwed. Did not wanna have kids after that.
Seems like a positive feedback loop with unknown limits, including extinction level temperature rise.
There are no actual global observational data on changes to permafrost. The Li et al 2022 paper 'Changes in permafrost extent and active layer thickness in the Northern Hemisphere from 1969 to 2018' states "The temporal change characteristics of the permafrost extent and ALT [active layer thickness] for the NH [Northern Hemisphere] have not been studied."
These things have only been poorly estimated or modelled.
The aforementioned paper modelled permafrost extent decreased from 23.25 × 10⁶km2 (average from 1969 to 1973) to 21.64 × 10⁶km2 (average from 2014 to 2018), with a linear rate of −0.023 × 10⁶ km2/a. That's an annual change of 0.099 of a percent. That's negligible and could just as easily be increasing due to the uncertainty in the modelling.
Out of global estimated emissions of methane of around 600 Tg CH4 per year, the best estimate of emissions from pan-Arctic permafrost is 1 Tg CH4 per year (Elder et al, 2021), so that's less than 0.17%. It's almost nothing.
We are staring down the barrel of several major tipping points. Glaciers worldwide are shrinking, both polar icecaps are receding, the permafrost isn't staying permanently frosty. The sooner we get away from coal, gas and oil the better ... but it is probably too late. The global disruption that is coming will start as a trickle, but will end in a flood. Where does the bulk of humanity live? Near coasts. Which areas will be hit the hardest and the soonest? Near the coasts. Time to buy a houseboat.
The Arctic minimum summer sea ice trend is zero for the past 17 years. In the past few years it was almost as high as 1995. The probability that this could be due to chance has now dropped to 10% (after Swart et al calculations, 2015). If the hiatus continues until 2027, it will become statistically significant (p
You understand that all of this ice has been melting for the last 20,000 years right? Melting ice isn't going to kill anything. Life flourishes under warming, just like it's done over the last 20,000 years.
@@anthonymorris5084 You understand that you're an idiot who hasn't a clue what's going on?
Like, this melting ice is causing a positive feedback loop by releasing both CO2 and methane, pushing the temps up higher.
Like, various low-lying countries are already suffering coastal flooding, and island nations are starting to go under.
Like, the acidification of the oceans is killing the bases of the food chain, which will cause a collapse.
Like, melting fresh water, especially from Greenland, will likely drastically change the course of the Gulf stream? (I visited Ireland about 10 years ago, and there are palm trees on the southern coast. How cool is that! They can exist because of the Gulf stream. Ireland will become much colder if that changes.)
In other words, it's not about "a little melting ice".
@@danaplaczek9664 When you have no argument, just throw a tantrum and hurl insults. What on Earth makes you think I'm going to read a comment that starts out with an infantile insult. You immediately lose all credibility. I don't chat with children.
@@anthonymorris5084 LOLOLOL!
And by your Climate Change Denial, you've shown yourself to be on an intellectual par with Flat Earthers and Creationists.
The human animal has spent some centuries first stripping the land of trees, the use & abuse of the Oceans came next , quickly followed by the atmosphere. The young lady researcher gave an honest answer ie NO. The poisen mix is now upon us, 30 yrs for normal life.
The Arctic minimum summer sea ice trend is zero for the past 17 years. In the past few years it was almost as high as 1995. The probability that this could be due to chance has now dropped to 10% (after Swart et al calculations, 2015). If the hiatus continues until 2027, it will become statistically significant (p
You will be lucky if you live to see thirty years in the future. Real lucky
@@markberryhill2715 There isn't a scientist on the face of the Earth that would back this ridiculous hyperbolic claim. This is why we don't take you folks seriously.
Greed and ignorance will destroy humanity in the end. It's all about profit and money. Sadly
@@wolfheart763 How myopic. Humanity has never been safer, healthier or more prosperous than at any time in history, by any measurement you care to examine. Humans are problem solvers and we create wondrous things.
What you call greed, I call drive and ambition. Greed is an epithet used against anybody who is successful and has more than you do, because of course you're not greedy.
What on Earth is wrong with "profit"? A profit is nothing but positive. It benefits the person who generated the profit and humanity benefits from the product and service that was created.
What the average person does not understand and they really do need to know this and take heed, is that the damage is done . Even if tomorrow we stopped all CO2 being admitted into the atmosphere it would not have any desired affect. The best scenario is it would slow down a little bit. It's like a start of a long marathon once the starting shot was fired it's already to late. The feedback loop is already in affect. Once the global atmosphere goes passed a certain point which it has already, its just a long slope to global change in land and sea. The earth will still be here just not the same as we know it now. Coastline , mass migration inland , and as always in every disaster the poor will suffer and probably die first. Agricultural land will be affected greatly , meaning starvation on a mass scale. If you are under the age of 20 you will witness these changes with your own eyes. What we are witnessing now is the just a small footnote of the horror to come.
Yep exactly 💯 I'm now 64 years old and very glad that we decided to not have children, we are totally headed towards an apocalyptic future and I hope I'm gone before it completely collapses 😢
You will find that most will starve long before your feet get wet!
Aren't you the optimist thinking only 20 somethings will see the inevitable. I believe we have passed several transition events already. These usually have taken much longer to happen than what has and is currently happening so the freight train is gaining speed. Otherwise you are pretty on point but, you forgot about the wars for resources.
@MontyFly good point , and yes, in the face of certain catastrophe I suppose I'm a little optimistic
The plates are moving, you’ve got volcanoes and tsunamis, Farallon Plate triggers San Andreas fault - triggers Helina Slump - better 😂 call Jesus my friend
This is not telling you that methane is 20 times worse than CO2
Exactly. I don't understand why scientists tiptoe around the significance of passing tipping points that just set the planet on a self fueling spiral towards an extinction level event for humans.
@@OldScientist so, you are saying methane isn't a problem, the perma frost is fine, nothing to see here? Your fingers must be sore, all that typing
@@OldScientist I don't believe you are a scientist, methane is still 20 times more potent at trapping heat than CO2
@@OldScientistdon’t give them real facts they just tell you that you false science , we been coming out of an ice age fir 40,000 years , a mini ice age 1400 years ago , the earth as been much warmer , co2 has been much higher in past centuries , we are warming because we are going back to pre ice age normal temps , this all scare tactic to get money . Co2 is plant food and has little do food with warming , at 400 to 500 parts per million , things grow faster , stronger , produce more , and will use up even more co2 . These scientists told us in 1979 that we were headed back into the next ice age .
Methane is absorbed in around 10 -12 years.
In the future the survivors will reference the tipping point years when things happened faster than could be managed and a killer heat belt split the planet into north and south habitable zones.
Or, like every doomsday cult prior, we'll look back and realize how emotional, alarmist and myopic everybody behaved.
Survivors? I think not.
@@thomashughes_teh If you could reliably see even 15 minutes into the Future, you would Own the World. You can't see past your own nose.
And the mycelium shall inherit the Earth (and eat the rich.) 😃
It’s not permanent now.
BBC are communists CO2 is helping our planet get greener and will help to feed the starving because plans grow fast with more CO2. Our planet is 5% greener than it was 20 years ago thanks to more CO2, which is only .04% of the atmosphere.
@@Helieos45😂😂😂
It’s tempofrost
The Planet will be Fine, with or without us. It's our choice.
A choice in ignorance isn't really a choice, is it?
It's just... ignorance.
BBC are communists CO2 is helping our planet get greener and will help to feed the starving because plans grow fast with more CO2. Our planet is 5% greener than it was 20 years ago thanks to more CO2, which is only .04% of the atmosphere.
Those who contributed least to our problems sacrifice the most to their way of life, those living in the far north, those living on low elevation islands, diverse animals in the rainforests. It's our new sad reality. Too few at the top are willing to change their way of life as we watch the slow decline of life on earth.
The only "decline of life on Earth" is plant and animal life all due from overfishing, poaching and habitat destruction due to human encroachment. Warming hasn't killed anything. Rising populations are killing everything.
Humanity is doomed.
Nah. Humanity has risen and fallen more times than our history records / admits. Plenty of evidence for it but established academia rests upon established laurels.
The Arctic minimum summer sea ice trend is zero for the past 17 years. In the past few years it was almost as high as 1995. The probability that this could be due to chance has now dropped to 10% (after Swart et al calculations, 2015). If the hiatus continues until 2027, it will become statistically significant (p
Not even close.
Yet every possible metric of human wellbeing has never been better than right now, and as developing countries continue to develop it will continue to get better.
Since 1900 the global temperature has increased by 1.3°C. Despite that humanity has flourished. Life expectancy has more than doubled from 32 to 73 years. Literacy has quadrupled from 21% to 86%. Humans are seven times more productive ($2,241 to $15,212 GDP per capita, per annum). People are better fed, having ⅓ more calories every day (2,192kcal to 2,928kcal). Global extreme poverty rates have tumbled from 70% to less than 10% (
Must be hard to live there. Much respect to the people living there!
I feel blessed to live near Fairbanks, Alaska. As I listen to the heat-related hazards people are living with “down south,” I appreciate that I can always wear more clothes and insulate my house to survive the cold. I would not be surprised to learn that it takes less energy to heat a well-insulated house than to cool one from the temperatures in phoenix. I guess that would depend on many factors. It’s also getting warmer here, so staying warm is easier than it used to be.
@@annanelson6830 garbage
How old's this footage? 2:43 she's on about October, was that 2023 or before? I'm not complaining, just curious. It was a nice little video.
We've wounded the Earth alright, with countless cuts over a long period of time, slicing several arteries. 7:05 was a great answer.
The Arctic minimum summer sea ice trend is zero for the past 17 years. In the past few years it was almost as high as 1995. The probability that this could be due to chance has now dropped to 10% (after Swart et al calculations, 2015). If the hiatus continues until 2027, it will become statistically significant (p
Yet another Climate video ends on “hope”.
Yes, let’s “hope” the ice doesn’t melt.
Wtf would you prefer doom and gloom? Oh you’re a “realist” up on a high horse..
I think the video ends with "adapt or perish", which is not necessarily optimistic, just a realistic assessment of life and death in a rapidly changing world.
Nothing to do with hope, take ice out of the freezer and hope it doesn't melt... riiiight.
The Arctic minimum summer sea ice trend is zero for the past 17 years. In the past few years it was almost as high as 1995. The probability that this could be due to chance has now dropped to 10% (after Swart et al calculations, 2015). If the hiatus continues until 2027, it will become statistically significant (p
I read in irish times newspaper that cork university which has kept a yearly account of the Gulf Stream, stated that Gulf Stream has slowed 12% since records began in 1988.
In scientific America future climatic warming changes on there models all show a reduction in Gulf Stream..
But it’s happening since 1988 at least…
How do we recognize if we have already crossed the point where the methane released from thawing permafrost fuels climate warming sufficiently to make even more permafrost thaw?
How can we know if there is still a point in trying to stop climate warming, or we have already crossed the tipping point beyond which thawing permafrost will keep releasing methane and making the climate warmer until all permafrost is thawed?
@@peterp5099 great questions, to offer some direction... we've hit the very beginning of that tipping point... can it be corrected is up for debate... and the methane will oxidize into CO2.
There's absolutely a point to stopping our pollution emissions. We can survive a 2°C world. 3°C gets sketchy. But the 5-7°C world we would be headed for if we continue business as usual would be cataclysmic for humanity. Additionally, the major impacts in the 1.5-2°C range can be mitigated to some degree if we're actively lowering our emissions and preventing the large scale devastation from the 100 largest polluting entities.
We're in flux, we're at the tipping point, not quite crossed over... we're hoping at least. This means we could likely prevent some from melting entirely... and at least the bottom layers hundreds of feet into the earth. Don't think of permafrost as just the ice on the surface. It descends quite deep.
@@valoriethechemist don't worry about it life's not long enough 👍
@@Nathan-hb3pu I don't so much worry, as I do study. And hope for an outcome beneficial to the people of this world. It's not that the dangers aren't worrisome. But rather that my hope is for a better path.
@@valoriethechemist good on ya
R.I.P.
The Arctic minimum summer sea ice trend is zero for the past 17 years. In the past few years it was almost as high as 1995. The probability that this could be due to chance has now dropped to 10% (after Swart et al calculations, 2015). If the hiatus continues until 2027, it will become statistically significant (p
Yes, it was a good run...
I have apologized, profusely, to my son for the uber mess we're leaving him.
Since 1900 the global temperature has increased by 1.3°C. Despite that humanity has flourished. Life expectancy has more than doubled from 32 to 73 years. Literacy has quadrupled from 21% to 86%. Humans are seven times more productive ($2,241 to $15,212 GDP per capita, per annum). People are better fed, having ⅓ more calories every day (2,192kcal to 2,928kcal). Global extreme poverty rates have tumbled from 70% to less than 10% (
@@OldScientist Its settled. The 'expert' has spoken. I can sleep well now. All is well. Have a great day.
@@OldScientist LOLOLOL!
Tell that to the people now under a heat dome in the US. Or the Californians enduring wildfires every summer, a few of which don't actually stop in the fall. I've already mentioned other consequences.
Since actual evidence means nothing to you, let's talk about the radical greens who think it's real:
First is the big oil companies themselves. It's clear from released documents that the oil companies new about global warming at leas as far back as the early 70s. They of course did the "rational" thing - they suppressed the information.
Next is the Republican Party, back when it was at least rational. In 1988 hearings were held on the problem, in a totally Republican-controlled Congress under Ronald Reagan. Those hearings concluded that Global Warming is a potential problem that needed to be serious studies. Reagan's successor Bush the Elder issued a Proclamation declaring this. Given the timing of Big Oil's obfuscation campaign, I'm betting that a Texas oil man declaring GW a problem made them nervous. That was the end of a rational Repub Party...
Finally is that well-known radical enviro group, the US military. For a few decades now they've been planning for environmental crisis. Of course, being the military this planning mostly involved resource war scenarios, especially water.
Because of Global Overheating and the resultant increase in storm intensity, it's now very difficult to impossible to get property insurance in states such as Florida. This will get worse.
Your position is an amazingly ignorant one, in the true sense of ignoring the facts. And like arguing with Flat Earthers or Creationists, I'm just wasting my time engaging.
Another Great Documentary To Watch Is Nova: Arctic Sinkholes
great documentary
You should watch Nova: Arctic Sinkholes
Really?
The Arctic minimum summer sea ice trend is zero for the past 17 years. In the past few years it was almost as high as 1995. The probability that this could be due to chance has now dropped to 10% (after Swart et al calculations, 2015). If the hiatus continues until 2027, it will become statistically significant (p
You should watch Nova: Arctic Sinkholes
Carbon sequestration!
When I lived in Fairbanks Alaska, someone parked 2 D9 bulldozers, in a field, off University Rd. unfortunately it was on permafrost, they sank 8 -9ft from solar heat transfer, over the course of a month!
7:28 - "what we can do, is make more informed decisions; and make sure we build communities that are resilliant to change thats going to occur."
I'll be honest, I agreed with the first part of this line, but then the second part of the line had me divided. The pessimistic view is, why are we planning for failure? the informed decision is to act now to prevent it from getting worse. The realist view tells me, that this isnt something we're going to get past and need to adapt as per what was said. I'd rather turn my pessimisitic view in an optimistic one than go with the latter. We could do both at once, so it's a missed opportunity in the video to not call it out, if the context of the video itself wasn't enough to tell you that anyway.
Lol, I think it was the Canadian writer, Farley Mowat, in the late eighties or early nineties who said, if we start now we MIGHT be able to avert this crises. Thirty years later and here we are. It's like inflation. We think we're doing something about it, but reducing inflation is not eliminating it and now we know we can't, short of letting our whole civilization collapse.. And now we think by addressing our carbon footprints we think we're "doing something about it" when, like inflation, man made climate change keeps growing and accelerating.
Individual responsibility in carbon footprint is pretending a fraction of an 8 billionth of 6% of a problem is more likely to alter the problem than regulating and addressing the 100 entities producing 70% or more of the problem.
There's nothing man-made about it. The comet impact of the Younger Dryas that buried all those plants and animals under snow and ice caused this. It was always going to thaw and the clock started ticking thousands of years ago.
@@valoriethechemistbro we are leaving an ice age ....
Happened thousands of times before.....
Stop believing what politicians who are trying to make money tell you........
if they have time travel i dont get why no fix. Only going forward paradox?
Tragically, it will be hard to direct sufficient resources to smaller populations when we start seeing climate change deaths in densely populated areas.
The Arctic minimum summer sea ice trend is zero for the past 17 years. In the past few years it was almost as high as 1995. The probability that this could be due to chance has now dropped to 10% (after Swart et al calculations, 2015). If the hiatus continues until 2027, it will become statistically significant (p
What is even the point of mentioning that thawing permafrost has the potential to open up new mining and farming opportunities?
It's not going to amount to anything if in the process we have tipped the climate to such a severity that the Earth is increasingly uninhabitable. It also completely glazes over the infrastructural challenge it would be to develop those industries atop periglacial environments that have been thrown into a state of imbalance by permafrost thaw.
It's pretty irresponsible to frame the further development of environmentally harmful industries as a potential "positive" to the widespread environmental destruction we are observing in the Arctic, especially to the general public who have little public education on Physical Geography in general. As a Masters student who did her undergraduate thesis on the active layer and is undertaking further permafrost research, it is really disappointing to see this being framed in any other way than disasterous - even if it was only for a few seconds.
The building codes are going to change on both sides of the US/Canadian border.
Agora é tarde demais o clima mudou e não tem mais volta.....a temperatura irá aumentar cada vez mais.......
As long as the netsup. Thank you.
I'm into permafrost. It's one of about 2 million interests of mine.
I guess the permafrost wasn't so permanent..
Permafrost- carbon sinks
Yep exactly and just wait for all that methane to be released very soon, we are totally screwed 😢
@@J.M.-nb4gw As far as I know that's already ongoing since a couple of decades.
Great vid
At about 7:00 minutes in they suggest they will be able to grow crops if the permafrost melts. Idiots.
Yeah that's definitely not gonna happen
With even the slightest increase in temperature, humans can't function as they normally could. The zombie survivors won't be lucid enough to plant crops, they'll be brain hunting!
Greenland was named that for a reason... grains & sheep were both farmed about a millennia ago.
@@Le_Comte_de_Monte_FelinOnly in protected fjord valleys, but not on retreating ice shields where there's only rock flour, sand and gravel. In Alberta they are restoring permafrost pit excavation after stripping the ice out, then remixing the granular soil then blading the scalped tundra back and tree planting. Only perennial plants and grasses survive the cold.
When it comes to tipping points this is what the IPCC (Special Report on implications of 1.5C or more warming, Chapter 3) says:“there is little evidence for a tipping point in the transition from perennial to seasonal ice cover. No evidence has been found for irreversibility or tipping points, suggesting that year-round sea ice will return given a suitable climate”. The IPCC also do not believe the melting of the arctic permafrost will cause a tipping point in the release of warming methane gas “the carbon released to the atmosphere from thawing permafrost is projected to be restricted to 0.09-0.19 Gt C yr-1 at 2°C of global warming and to 0.08-0.16 Gt C yr-1 at 1.5°C, which does not indicate a tipping point”.
The Earth's climate is a multi input thermodynamic system and will conform to Le Chatelier's Principle.
Carbon and methane continue to march up and up. We continue to destroy our forests. Nothing has changed.
That's already happening and not talked about usually. The amount of carbon captured in the permafrost and being released is already influencing Climate Change results. It is likely to produce a huge sudden increase in carbon release into the atmosphere. The results of that are scary. Oil companies in Canada have quietly been abandoning infrastructure there because the solid can no longer hold it. Our insanity, greed and irresponsibility will come to hit us hard in our faces.
To characterize the pursuit of human flourishing as "insanity, greed and irresponsibility" is myopic.
I wonder how long it will be until the atmosphere reaches enough methane saturation level to combust.
Methane represents 0.00017% of the atmosphere. This means that levels of saturation needed for combustion can't occur atmospherically as 5.5% methane would be needed globally. That doesn't mean locally we don't see problems in "natural gas" (methane) releases and leaks. But the atmosphere combusting from methane would be a drastically different world and atmospheric composition.
Temp's. today in Greenland are well above freezing, both day and night, with isobars running from the Gulf to Greenland. I suspect similar across the arctic permafrost. The tipping point has been reached and crossed. If you respond, try to use something a bit more intelligent than indescript imagoes.
Garbage
What I don't understand is, if the USA, Europe, Australia, NZ etc first world countries were FIRST WORLD countries years back, why didn't they try to get to renewable energy faster and get energy efficient at least to 70%, wouldn't it have been better today? Today most blame is put on other developing countries aka the counties which produce the stuff to be sold for those first world countries majorly. what stopped them and what stops them even now?
Imagine being vegan/non-vegetarian without thinking about the ecological and climate effects of your diets? Its weird how everyone is just throwing blames around instead of doing something on their own community level or more as an individual.
They did years back. We do and still do. There have been climate pushes since the 70s. In response, major misinformation campaigns and political maneuvering from oil companies (literally stealing the tobacco playbook of lie and tell them it's good for you) halted and prevented much of the progress for decades. What you're observing is more misinformation and political maneuvering.
Game Over 😢
I've been thinking about this for years. Permafrost that's, ocean density is altered. And it's bye bye Earth hello Venus.
And all the peat bogs being harvested.
At least they'll be able to clone wooly mammoths and other frozen critters.
(Which begs the question: what caused them to all just fall over dead near simultaneously? )
The Arctic minimum summer sea ice trend is zero for the past 17 years. In the past few years it was almost as high as 1995. The probability that this could be due to chance has now dropped to 10% (after Swart et al calculations, 2015). If the hiatus continues until 2027, it will become statistically significant (p
Aren't you folks always boasting about "the science"? Please find me one scientist on this entire planet that claims we're going to turn into Venus. This is why we don't take you folks seriously.
There are no actual global observational data on changes to permafrost. The Li et al 2022 paper 'Changes in permafrost extent and active layer thickness in the Northern Hemisphere from 1969 to 2018' states "The temporal change characteristics of the permafrost extent and ALT [active layer thickness] for the NH [Northern Hemisphere] have not been studied."
These things have only been poorly estimated or modelled.
The aforementioned paper modelled permafrost extent decreased from 23.25 × 10⁶km2 (average from 1969 to 1973) to 21.64 × 10⁶km2 (average from 2014 to 2018), with a linear rate of −0.023 × 10⁶ km2/a. That's an annual change of 0.099 of a percent. That's negligible and could just as easily be increasing due to the uncertainty in the modelling.
Out of global estimated emissions of methane of around 600 Tg CH4 per year, the best estimate of emissions from pan-Arctic permafrost is 1 Tg CH4 per year (Elder et al, 2021), so that's less than 0.17%. It's almost nothing.
Since 1900 the global temperature has increased by 1.3°C. In that time humanity has flourished. Life expectancy has more than doubled from 32 to 73 years. Literacy has quadrupled from 21% to 86%. Humans are seven times more productive ($2,241 to $15,212 GDP per capita, per annum). People are better fed, having ⅓ more calories every day (2,192kcal to 2,928kcal). Global extreme poverty rates have tumbled from 70% to less than 10% (
Here are my own personal observations, over 56 years: I moved to my present location in 1968. At that time we were in the USDA growing zone 6a -10Fto 5F. Today it is zone 7a 0 to -5, However, we haven't had a below zero in over 20 years, and into the teens the past 10. The last five years it didn't go below 20. Also my growing season has gone from May 30 last Freeze date to April 1 last freeze day . From Oct. 1 first freeze day to Dec. 27 first freeze date. I had a very productive garden all those years. Except for the last 5 when the heat burned up my crops, even though they were protected with shade coverings, and automatic water systems. . That's 56 years. Climate is defined as 30 years or more.
Additionally the ground use to freeze in the winter up to 3 feet, and sometimes more. This year it was only a light surface freeze that thawed during daylight hours. The small snow fall that we experienced melted within 24 hours.
There is a farm located down the street that had been in continuous operation since 1639. Their fields are now fallow, although their greenhouses remain in operation. There are 450 farms in the small state of Connecticut, where I live, that have gone out of business in the past four or five years, because of adverse weather conditions. Which means the state has lost the produce from those farms and now has to replace it with imports from other areas. Field grown local tomatoes that use to cost about $1.25 lb are now being replaced by imports selling for upward of $5.00 lb.
Just anecdotal but I could fill up several volumes with them.
And this is just the results of the current changes in our climate in our location. Not the radical climate changes that have been predicted.
Always love coming across your posts Old Scientist. Fight the good fight. Cheers.
I did my part: I have been without a car for 4 years, and our one car is primarily used by my husband. Life kinda sucks without a car, though.
It would be more effective to join in groups and figure out a way to change the system instead of individual choices. So you could do with your car, but thank you for your efforts irregardless. I am however, currently having trouble finding active climate advocacy groups to join in.
Lol, hilarious.
When permafrost melts, methane is released into the atmosphere. This has dire consequences for global warming.
The entire northern hemisphere was once covered in mile thick ice. When the ice receded the permafrost melted. Methane was released. Humans survived just fine without an ounce of technology.
Yes however the planet didn't have 8 Billion people at that time. Global warming will affect many humans in many ways.
@@maryjeanjones7569 That's a totally separate argument. Climate policies will have a vastly greater detrimental effect on humanity than warming. Poverty kills countless millions more than warming ever will and all climate policies induce greater poverty. Warming isn't the threat, climate policy is the threat. Warming has occurred over the last 200 years. During this entire period humans have never been safer, healthier or more prosperous than at any time in history.
@@anthonymorris5084 Climate change causes icebergs to melt which causes oceans to rise which causes flooding all around the globe. This destroys crops which affects people's ability to eat and sell their crops. Lack of rain makes it difficult to grow crops. Very dry earth is causing many wildfires around the globe. Etc, etc, etc
@@maryjeanjones7569 According to NASA sea levels are rising at 3.4mm per year. This is imperceptible without scientific instruments. It's less than half a meter in a hundred years.
Food production continues to rise. This trend has never been interrupted.
The planet is not experiencing a "lack of rain". Inexpensive reliable energy allows us to irrigate crops.
The Canadian Ministry of Natural Resources has fire data for Canada. They have a graph right on their web page that shows an uninterrupted decline in forest fires for the last 44 years. That's how far back the data goes.
The American forestry department has fire data going back more than 75 years. It shows a precipitous decline in both burn acreage and forest fires.
The statements you are making are simply not backed by the data. You are just parroting climate tropes.
1st change name to tempfrost!🎉😂
Better to warm than to cold
Correlations and probabilities and cause and effect are of interest to me. The splitting of the earths crust to the magma in long fissures by way of nuclear bombs has occurred in the pursuit of lithium. The effects are two fold from the Salton sea to Mojave magma fissure.
First the Salton sea over time from 2000 to 2020 went dry. But more importantly the earths atmosphere has heated up.
The North Pole was noted to diminish in its ice cap from 2000 to 2020 in an incremental fashion over time. The North Pole ice cap is kept cold by the South Pole ice cap. 10 percent of polar ice is in North Pole and 90 percent is in South Pole.
I estimate 150 to 360 years and a major polar ice depletion will cause catastrophic effects to the eco systems of the earth. Polar ice cap disequilibrium will be at its worst with heat pockets causing greater fires and greater floods and tornadoes and hurricanes.
The apparent war I saw in 1999 in federal banking regulation and the Salton indicates I may have been deceived and maybe not. The lithium wars correlated with the murders and replacement of billionaire business men like Warren Buffett circa 1990 and federal banking regulators over the years.
The escalation for war as in the 2001 deception of the Muslims in planes attacking the World Trade Center indicates the opaque block did not stand still. The opaque block is sometimes seen as the unstoppable force. They can he stopped. You have to shut off the noise. They may disappear they may have to be executed. The sheets machines where delusion of a person taunting you to fight is behind or away from a bright light.
Many of us were made infertile. Some of us were genetically altered to not really human. I was offered death once at age 13. Ruby a matriarch of a brothel and an orphanage offered me a needle with morphine and even had a wood casket brought to the front door.
The splitting of the earths crust is our coffin. Salton sea lithium production creates a myriad of effects. Fog is thicker and longer lasting in areas of the California southern coast Fungus is growing on some trees. It could impact fruit trees. 3 peaches for $3 dollars sale price.
I was labeled criminal by the opaque block and my medical records were written by bureaucrats with criminal intent in California ij 2001. I have been severely injured with attacks in 2001 and 2004 and 2024. The last time they really hurt me. But somehow I saw iraq and Kuwait as victimized as myself.
The truth is I want exit from life and I want change. I can likely get what I want if I go to the Muslim nations bludgeoned by the opaque block. I want a peaceful exit. The opaque block does not like to allow peaceful exit. They like warfare as it profits them financially.
A joke. In some places they cook eggs in the sand. If you put eggs in the sand over the magma crevice from Hector mine Mojave desert to south Salton sea they may be over cooked.
All I want is out peacefully.
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I've been saying over and over... that fossil fuels, such as coal, oil and gas, contribute to the greenhouse effects.
The flashing graphics are unbearable...cannot watch...good topic though
Human activities "could" turn this around conceivably. It will mean having to sacrifice the consumption-at-all-costs lifestyle that's already got people trapped. It'll mean having to give up the American Lawn Status Symbol and grow food and restore nature. That's going to be hard on some billionaires for sure. It'll mean giving up on second garages and storage facilities for all the crap we never needed in the first place. Uh, oh, panic is setting in! It might mean lowering rents and ending homelessness so that people can have time for their families, communities, and gardens. "OMG, NO!!!" screams the billionaire through fattened purple lips, his jowls rumbling in consternation, "we can never let that happen!"
People do not like change particularly as they age and it is older people who control most of the wealth and therefore the power in each country.The permafrost will melt, the only question is when it will affect those who are primarily causing global heating.Until they see their unsustainable lifestyles threatened nothing will be done to help those on the frontline of an existential problem that none of us can avoid indefinitely.
What a thing it is to watch the end of your species slowly but surely advancing.
But what a greater thing to watch said "intelligent" species do nothing about it
It is game over and happening faster with each day that passes.
But everything will be fine in our boomers lifetime. That is apparently the only thing that matter. Climate denialism is proportional with our age.
The permafrost *IS* thawing right now.
Don't worry about it life's not long enough
3:00 If she thinks that is 0.6 centimetres none of her data is credible.
Do people realise the earth would actually be in a mini ice age right now, if it wasn't for human civilisation. Many comments here demonstrate astounding ignorance.
It would melt, anything else.
It is 250 degrees above the atmosphere, only 76 degrees on the surface. 174 degrees of solar heat gone, blocked out by the CO2 and other “greenhouse gases”. Yes, they keep some heat in, about 20 degrees, but they block out 194 degrees for a net temperature of 174.
Gilbert Plass is the father of CO2 warming. His paper in 1955 THE CARBON DIOXIDE THEORY OF CLIMATE CHANGE started all this idiocy. The first sentence of the Abstract for his papers states:
“The most recent calculations of the infra-red flux in the region of the 15 micron CO2, band show that the average surface temperature of the earth increases 3.6” C if the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere is doubled and decreases 3.8’ C if the CO2 amount is halved, provided that no other factors change which influence the radiation balance.”
You get warming ONLY if added CO2 does not change the radiation balance, meaning the heat entering does not fall with added CO2.
Before satellites, all scientists worked from the assumption that the sun mostly produced visible light and little heat. That visible light warmed the earth as the levels of CO2 and water vapor blocked out all the sun’s heat. Adding CO2 will not block out more incoming Sun heat as the was so little coming in to begin with. But this is wrong.
Heat is the majority of the sun’s radiation. 30% of the sun’s heat makes it past the atmosphere, so adding more CO2 does change the radiation balance. Added CO2 blocks out more sun heat cooling the earth and reversing the greenhouse effect! Which is what Plass’s paper said. Plass assumed that added CO2 did not change the radiation balance, so added CO2 created a warmer earth, but he was wrong, added CO2 created a cooler earth.
250 above, only 76 degrees below. Cooler earth hotter atmosphere. The Troposphere is getting warmer with added CO2, not the surface. The CO2 in the troposphere is absorbing more incoming sun heat and getting warmer.
We are getting warmer, but that is because the Little Ice Age (LIA), ended in 1850. The Earth has been warming up since then. Snow has been melting and the oceans have been warming up. With less and less cold left over from the LIA the warming is accelerating. We are going back to the Earth that existed in the last Inter-Glacial Period when Iceland was baren of ice and the seas were 26 feet higher than today.
20,000 years ago the seas were 110 feet lower than today. This is how it goes on the Earth, warm to cold, low seas to high seas. This is just the first time mankind has had the education and intelligence to understand what is happening.
Neanderthals lived through the last Ice Age but they didn’t know there was an ice age, it was just the way it was. Earlier hominids had no idea that they were in an inter-glacial age. All they knew was it was it was warm.
Plass’s work is on the internet just google and read it for yourself, you only need to read the first sentence in the abstract.
the end of the stable age is approaching. the chaotic age is near. to every thing there is a season.
I would be interested to know how many people died last year in extreme climate events? Especially in the Artic regions due to the reduction of the "Permafrost" ?
What happened all the previous ties it thawed? Was it Fred Flintstone's car?
Or during the periods when it was not there at all? Like the Jurassic period?
The Himalayas are younger then many animals.
Personally and on social media I am known to not only be a multi-disciplined scientist but also have around 300 accurate predictions to my name.
Someone that told MSM a very long time ago that I am ignored at your proverbial peril.
Now part of a consortium of scientists, engineers and other experts from around the world.
@@saintallnights7239 Actually we do study such Phanerozoic climate changes and find that the previous thaws are related to the same factors were observing today. The rates of changes and mechanisms are different but the changes and their drivers are very similar. Past changes occur due to the life cycle of the earths crust, ocean and plants and major astronomical events. Much of the public discussion is filled with influential and philosophical but not truly scientific and exacting terminology and concepts. The distinction is not a cause for the concepts to be false but rather merely reflect the manner we approach such topics on a large scale conversation and such is well observed in social cognitive theory.
I appreciate your questioning but would encourage you to find the answers to your questions rather than post them to persuade people toward falsified information that doesn't reflect what's observed in research and experiments.
@grindupBaker Was there also a rush on toilet rolls then too? Lol.
Not stored water, in gas form cloud of death. Ice make much go just by standing perfectly still.
no mention of ESAS methane? oops.
LOOOSE the seizure-theatre flashing words (lights)! FFS!!
Or not
Meanwhile, jet fuel today is 2.40 a gallon. Check it out.
A wounded Earth says a Norwegian whose country got rich drilling and selling oil.
At least they spend their profits on sustainable energy. Not just more fracking like Canada and the US.
If there is a more harmful choice, the US will make that choice.
odheeserfloens to the entire planet?
Is there really a point relative to the planet or is it just humans because obviously before the current ice age which we are still in there was little if any permafrost before. This disaster scenario seems to be a way for groups of people to assume a position of moral superiority as if we were supposed to be here permanently which is a bit of our narcissistic nature. Have we really done such a good job here that we should be allowed to continue anyway is a legitimate question🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Probably find dinosaurs
At least in a sinking ship the rats are able to leave.
Perma frost cant thaw because temp is at or below zero degrees celsius. Its basic scientific fact.
Nice warn weather in norway
Not really. Now the AMOC stops it will get much colder in Norway. Without the Gulf stream it will be 15 degrees C colder.
@@poulhenne That's an extreme exaggeration, more like 5-7c colder on the yearly average, with much warmer summers and really cold winters, most parts of Siberia has very hot in summer and cold in winter yet people live there and survives.
Earth has to go sometime, am I right?! The Sun was going to get us eventually anyway.
Why are they wearing fur on their hoods?!? Fur is cruel--if you care about the environment I would hope you'd care about the animals who live in it too.
Just saying it isn’t good enough…
You gotta prove this with no words. Show us hands on proof.
I am not scared at all. Ive just accepted the failure and greed of humanity
Then, cover your head and cower in your hole.
Life is still worth living.
Stop living in fear.
"lUnd slide".
I went to the Arctic once. It was cold and *WONDERFUL* .
Future generations are screwed!
When the holocene interglacial started around 14000 years ago, massive ice sheets over a mile deep receeded rapidly,exposing huge areas of permafrost,which rapidly melted ( think canadian praries) many of those areas are now productive farm land. The melting of the permafrost was a consequence of entirely natural forces causing rapid warming, it was not the cause. Therefor there is zero reason to conclude that the relatively tiny amount of permafrost thaw now can have any effect on temp, as a much larger historical thaw had zero effect on temperature
We should be cooling. You are claiming "my gut feelings with zero science background are telling me" and it's completely wrong. Why deny the work of every single scientist who has worked on this issue?
@@scottekoontz The fact that an interglacial started around 14000 years ago is questioned by noone the fact that ice melts when temperature rises above0 deg C is not in question, the fact that permafrost has melted and then refrozen many a time through earths geologic history is not in question, The fact that after previous glacial retreats (and therefor by implication permafrost thawing) there was no feedback warming loop from methane, means there is no reason for it to occur now. There are a large number of scientists who do not believe that co2 is the control knob of earths climate system.
@@shanecollie5177 "Therefor there is zero reason to conclude that the relatively tiny amount of permafrost thaw now can have any effect on temp" I'm still laughing. Ever hear of methane?
"There are a large number of scientists who do not believe that co2 is the control knob of earths climate system." Maybe 100. Good luck with that 0.1%.
@@shanecollie5177 No, us real scientists use energy calculations that are now In Zetajoules added. We're talking meteor strike that ended the dinosaurs type of energy. It doesn't happen in a single impact such as with a meteor however. We are much more in oscillating a longer term energy dissipation wave that we're slowly amplifying with each oscillation.
Simply put, when people make the kind of claim you have they are merely revealing that they learned enough to think they're correct and no where near enough to know they're incorrect and hopelessly lost in terms of actually appreciating what's occurring. I suggest you go to a university and attend a lecture of the best climate scientist you can find and ask them your questions prior to guessing more in comments.
Look at the daily temperatures in Fairbanks Alaska in October 2024!!!
The permafrost is all but gone,& Alaska 's glaciers are melting as fast as Greenland!!! Greenland daily temperatures in October 2024 are well about freezing!!!!
Carbon dioxide grows vegation
The land will rise
answer: The END of the last ICE AGE.
The exact same things that happened the last thousand times the socalled permafrost melted!
Many native people of the Arctic would like to see their children able to go to college. That is far more important than melting permafrost. In the US state of Indiana much of the farm land is on 50 meters or more of glacial till that was previous permafrost that holds onto water creating wet land environment of anaerobic oxygen lacking soil that sticks to anything with great suction and has not structural support while it holds on to water. It made reliable crops impossible because of root diseases.
The solution for farm land was sub-terrain drainage systems of perforated pipes known as field tile because the pipe used to made of fired clay brick material. Now its field tile is perforated plastic pipe. In Indiana to have gravity flow of the field tile to a stream, the streams were canalized and deepened into what the State calls Legal Drains. A standalone system today that doesn't make use of a legal drain has the field tile drain into an underground sump typically a concrete box that can be later pumped for irrigation use or into a stream.
When attempting to fix a trail at Paul Ruster Park Indianapolis Indiana that would become mush and quicksand like for months on end, I placed in perforated pipe cutting across the downward heading trail. The trench and later pipe drained a trickle of water for over a year! This is behaving like previous permafrost glacial till. It was over a year later before sections of trail farther down the slope didn't turn into months long periods of mush with the spring rains. This soil that holds on to water is clay fine particles that when it does lose its water shrinks and cracks. It changes volume. It doesn't readily absorb water unless the water is in direct contact with it for a prolonged time of days. Then it holds on to the water. For farming drainage tile is trying to leave some water in the top soil and be affordable so it is spaced maybe 20 meters a part and 2 meters down. For roads and trails that may leave too much saturated over top soil and closer row spacing within 1 meter of the surface is likely needed. For melting permafrost deep drainage should be tried to see if it stabilizes the structural support of the soil.
This video contains the UN Climate Change disclaimer. Global warming was officially stated at 1.1°C in 1991 and 1.06°C in 2022. There is no mechanism that would allow greenhouse gas behavior to cause global warming. The back of the United Nation's IPCC science report states it took its greenhouse gas samples at 20,000 meters altitude where it is common high school level knowledge there is no greenhouse radiant energy. This is typical practice for deceptive marketing to state legal data transparency protecting the perpetrators from fraud prosecution.
Earth's greenhouse effect is frequently used as a primary example to high school students of a system always in saturation from the strong greenhouse gas water vapor absorbing all the greenhouse radiant energy from the earth with greenhouse gases within 20 meters of the surface that is all around us everyday and can't have its overall effect changed. There is no further greenhouse radiant energy to interact with greenhouse gases. At 1% average tropospheric water vapor over 99% of earth’s greenhouse effect is from water vapor. Water vapor would hold earth's greenhouse effect in saturation if it were the only greenhouse gas in the atmosphere.
Arctic warming is taking place with the proving mechanism being warm Atlantic Ocean waters migrating deeper and more frequently into the Arctic Ocean warming it and the region. That warmer water is causing a few weeks less of reflective snow and ice coverage resulting in more solar heat gain to the Arctic region surface.
Atmospheric CO2 levels of 1200 ppm about three times what they are today would greatly invigorate C3 plants the majority of plant life on earth greatly greening the planet.
0.4% of the atmosphere is CO2 and on average 1% is H20 water vapor. (1% H20)/(0.4% CO2) = 25. Water vapor is 25 times more present in the atmosphere on average than CO2. Water vapor has an CO2e of 18, 18 X 25 = 450 CO2e total for water vapor to 1 CO2e for CO2.
The Earth’s oceans have 3-1/2 million sea floor volcanic vents warming the water and changing it’s chemistry that have not been systematically accounted for.
Stop Alaskan gold mining if it's such a problem, but we know that's not happening$$$$$$$
And most people will get married and have several children.
Good thing it’s just the environment
Stop the flashing imaging and talk some sense with references when you state something. Otherwise you are just talking crap
The climate is always and always will be in flux.
We had mammoths and bison up there in Siberia "yesterday" grazing lands that were warm and productive.
Check out the results from the Vostok study of the ocean beds for an analysis of the last 500 million years. Then put this abundance of present day information regarding our clumate into context.
And stop THE FEAR
Methane comes out regardless of warming permafrost, ocean methane-hydride, or composting weeds and wood. No- emission biochar is an answer to some of that.
What pathetic emotive responses some of these non scientific people have. Hahaha… know you know why shes a preacher. They spew emotion
It's absolutely amazing the number of marginally educated people who don't realize that we're in an interglacial and that this has happened IN EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM since the mid-Brunhes shift 430,000 years ago. We're in the 5th interglacial since. This is why mammoths are found DOWN IN THE PERMAFROST. It's because it wasn't frozen when they walked on it.
Permafrost is great for making smoke for a long time. Smoke 💨 is very valuable
Come on! No worries!