Thrulines™ Q&A with Crista Cowan
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 มิ.ย. 2019
- Thrulines™ Q&A with Crista Cowan. In this “footnotes” episode I went straight to the source and interviewed Crista Cowan of Ancestry fame, to help get answers about Ancestry’s new ThruLines™. These are the questions that GTV viewers asked from previous episodes here on Genealogy TV as well as some of the other new DNA tools.
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Just found this great resource. A big time fan of Crista! Thanks to both Crista and Connie for all you do.
Thanks Wendy
I did the trick with the 💙❤️🧡💜 hearts, it has been so helpful in keeping track of which branch of the tree I am following, and also making sure I don’t get confused when there are people with the same names. Thanks for a great video!
Yay. I started using a check mark emoji for proven of verified links too so that could visualize it in the tree. What fun.
This episode, for me, Superior!!
Crista Cowan is a ROCK STAR!
Whoa Crista Cowan answered my question 😂 😎
Her videos helped me a lot when I was learning and getting experienced, and eventually I found your channel by your New Hanover County library series you posted on a Facebook genealogy group and I'm always excited when I get a notification for your uploads!
Thanks Wyatt!
Connie, I am so thrilled I found your channel! While watching your videos I am pulling up my tree in Ancestry and I am learning so much. I started doing my ancestry 40 years ago with my grandmother (who is no longer here). Finally feel like I am getting somewhere. Thank you so much and keep up the good work.
You are so welcome! Our genealogy stories are similar. I started asking questions of my grandmother about 45 years ago and have been hooked ever since.
This video is. Awesome...thx for asking Crista to be your guest..she and you both did a btfl job informing us about thru lines..
Why thank you for the nice compliment.
Thank you. That was very helpful!
Thanks Kathy.
Just watched this video - thanks for the information.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for yet another informative video. I loved seeing Christa! I have the same problem with ThruLines, as a common ancestor I have on my tree comes up dotted because someone else’s tree has them, but with a different spelling. If I remember correctly, they have his name as listed on his death certificate and I have the name listed as it was in his birth certificate. I would love to just have my solid box lol. TFS ~Linda :)
I like through lines much better than circles. Thank you for the improvement.
Don't thank me... thank Ancestry. I don't work for them... just report on some of their stuff.
Just ordered the AncestryDNA kit for my daughter. It'll take several weeks for the results, but can't wait to be able to see what Thru Lines can show us. Sounds a little complicated but I figure it's not as difficult as it seems.
When you buy a DNA test, and your matches have a Public member tree linked to their DNA, it would be nice if Ancestry included the public tree, to the 7 generations we can use, for our DNA. Having matches with no tree is not very helpful. I can understand the Private Trees being behind the pay wall but the public linked trees should be included, IMO. Most matches are no longer on ancestry because they got frustrated, so you cannot contact them to share their trees.
Thats the thing though can you blame them for it being complicated... to understand where a dna matches you, to understand the cms and not all info is on there of a certain ancestor you need to find
I found my husband's American Indian ancestry on Thru lines. There were so many 5th cousins on it.
Fabulous
By not giving us a chromosome browser, Ancestry kind of forces us to use "extreme methods" such as mirror trees. Can't blame us for using workarounds when they deny us such an important tool.
You don't have to use an external website for emoji's - if you right click on the suffix field it should give you the option to add Emoji and Symbols.
The only major problem is if you use the 'quick' edit function the emoji disappears and you have to re-enter it - it would be good if Ancestry would take this feedback on board and change that. :-)
Yes... we've been after them to add emojis on the Ancestry platform so we can colorize the tree and profiles by family lines. We'll see.
I'm a she. ;-) Niamh is an Irish name, it's pronounced "NEEV" or "NEE-iv". Also, thanks for reading my question!
Sorry if I butchered your name. Thanks for the clarification.
@@GenealogyTV No problem! 😛 The "mh" throws a lot of people off ("mh" and "bh" are a "v" sound in the Irish language). It's not a common letter combination we see in America. 😛Very common in Ireland, though.
Thanks again for your informative videos!
@@NiamhCreates Knowing me, I'll still screw it up. Sorry... my bad. So pronouncing it as NEEV or NEE-iv, is that one syllable or two?
@@GenealogyTV I usually pronounce it with two syllables (NEE-iv), but both pronunciations are acceptable. It's a dialect thing. In the north of Ireland, it's usually pronounced with two syllables, but in the rest of Ireland, it's one syllable (NEEV). I live in America though, so either one is fine with me! 😀❤
@@NiamhCreates my daughters friend is Niámh her mum says Neev but my cousin Niámh her mum calls her Née av xx
I noticed she mentioned that putting anything in the suffix field does not affect anything however i use the field extensively when using my research code system and it seems that it for some reason affects the information when imported into rootsmagic or family tree maker. It seems to want to put all the information into the name field and completely messes up the name because it puts all the information in the suffix field at the beginning of the name. Not sure if this is an issue with the software or the fact that i use / to separate the various codes i use to track certain people.
Good to know. I wonder if it would then mess up a Gedcom export too.
I am seeing a number of Half relationships (one parent only) on both types of boxes (solid and dashed). What do you do with that? I have not been finding why that is in most cases. Many times my tree does not have a 1/2 relationship but the solid box has that relationship. Thanks
I'd dig a little deeper into each relationship individually. The solid lined boxes are your own tree, the dashed are those of others. Go look at the Thruline matches and see why they're showing as half relations. Again dashed boxes are basically hints from other trees. Also look at the cM in common if you can figure that out. Using a cM chart will help identify the possible relationships. I hope that helps. It's kind of hard to give solid advice in a thread here.
Genealogy TV Looking deeper my tree does not show a half relationship but ThruLines has it changed to 1/2 for my tree even though when I go to the profile the relationship is full. Also I do not see a chart for half 4th or distant cousin.
I should say ThruLines has my direct relative as 1/2 in the solid box as well as the matches dashed box
I'll answer both Q's here. Two things... one, I like to use Dr. Blaine Bettinger's "Shared cM Project" charts because they have more detail. Go here and scroll down to see them. thegeneticgenealogist.com/2017/08/26/august-2017-update-to-the-shared-cm-project/ There you'll find all the possible cM ranges so you can compare the cM to your cousin match. I would not focus so much on the Thrulines showing a half relationship (as suggestions) as I would to determine the cM distance and then investigate on your own all of the possibilities based on the cM. You'll likely see several possible relationships. Work on just one ancestor at a time or it will drive you nuts.
Second, I should clarify... when I said dig deeper, I meant go look at those trees of the other Ancestry members that are showing up in your ThruLines and dig into their trees and find their evidence and resources that show their connections between your ancestors Then evaluate each piece of their evidence for the ancestors you're interested in to determine if in fact what they have looks accurate. Then compare all the evidence (this is called correlation of evidence) and line up the facts within, resolve the conflicts and come to your own conclusions for each ancestor. This is how the pros do it.
Do this with all trees that are showing up in your ThruLines. Then correlate all the evidence from the various sources. I would guess that most comes from just one or two actual sources and the rest were people copying from the original source.
Just like any hint, ThruLines is another form of evidence that needs to be evaluated deeply for it's merits. Remember that ThruLines is just an algorithm doing its best to line things up for you. It's up to you to prove whether it is right or not.
Once you prove the facts, add them to your own tree to help the algorithm learn the new facts. You might consider sharing your findings with the other tree members showing up in your ThruLines, but let them decide if they want to modify their own tree. You can also reach out to those other tree owners to ask them where they got their evidence, but a lot of times you can figure it out on your own.
I hope that helped clarify my comments.
I think I know what you mean Cooper. There are sometimes cases where you don't say in your tree that the relationship is a half relationship, and neither does your match say that in their tree (and/or the other tree(s) used to connect you to your match), but nonetheless Thrulines shows it as a half relationship. What I think is happening here is that, say you are only matching for a great-grandfather, and not for the great-grandmother who was married to that great-grandfather. That would mean that for that specific person, the great-grandmother who's Thruline you and your match are not being shown under, you and your match may have subtly different information for them in your trees. So it might perhaps be a slight difference in name e.g. I have a 2xgreat-grandmother that was usually Mary Jane, but occasionally shows up in records as Mary Ann, so if I have weighed up all the evidence and put her in my tree as Mary Jane, but my match had made a different conclusion (perhaps they had only found one census that happened to call her Mary Ann, whereas I have as complete a record trail as is possible) then the ThruLines algorithm might think that Mary Jane and Mary Ann are two different wives of our mutual 2xgreat-grandfather, and that therefore our link is a half relationship rather than a full one. Variance in ages for that 2xgreat-grandmother can also cause the system to not realise they are one and the same woman, and create a half relationship in Thruline, for example if the person's estimated birth year fluctuates in different censuses and we each have made a different conclusion about the person's actual birth year. It's possible that geographic differences might also cause the problem (I have several families that lived in places that were on the borders of two counties and belonged to each county at different times. If I choose to standardise by saying that that place was always in one of the counties (or that all locations will be recorded in the county they were in on a fixed date in the past), and my match has chosen to standardise by saying it was always in the other county (or perhaps they are always using what county a place is in as of today) then we mismatch on county whilst matching for the actual location, and Thrulines may not realise it is the same person and thus claim a half relationship.
My information still missing goes missing. It's so frustrating. I hadn't added any new family, I was updating and adding nicknames and dates and places of births and death.
It's not just you, it is what is happening on the other trees in your family lines too that contribute to the ThruLines view you see. I don't use ThruLines much. I stick with the records and the DNA Cousin Match list... and group them along family lines.
If I hire Ancestry to do my family tree what do I get for the money that I am spending? Do they send me a graft of my family tree? How far do they go back in my family line? Is the information accurate?
I have never hired Ancestry, and I don’t work for them so unfortunately I cannot answer your questions.
thrulines still create orphans and duplicates and does not always include both parents, especially when using the ADDON feature. thrulines also likes to post 150 year-old dead people as private, generating a roadblock. Searches will usually find another tree with the person not marked private. There is no excuse for marking dead people as private and causing a problem for anyone working with that person and why does thrulines so consistently works to find private persons to post when public persons exist?
Speaking of breaking through brick walls and hypothesis, I wish there was a way to add slaves to the trees. I know this does not make a lot of sense to some, but there are a lot of difficulties in African Americans tracing their roots and maybe helpful. Also, there are many people who passed as white that perhaps should be in trees that we are not aware of. I have both black and white DNA matches, but no interracial marriages. I have many ancestors from Hanover, VA where slavery was common. I also have ancestors from Hawkins county, TN where melungeon ancestry was common. any suggestions from anyone on this topic?
Great idea. We have talked about a work around where you add someone as related but the disconnect them. You can also change a person from biological to step or another relationship. Alternatively you might be able to use the new tree tags with the customizable tags. I’ll raise this question. Excellent idea.
We need a standardized way of doing this.
I used your question in this coming Friday's episode for 3/6/20. Crista and I talked about the possibilities. Check it out on Friday.
Hope you survived the cuts!
I saw (briefly) a small DNA marker above my ancestors on my tree and then it disappeared. What happened to it? I thought it was very cool but I don’t see it anymore. It happened about two weeks ago.
Well I wish I had the answer to that but I don’t. What kind of marker was it?
Genealogy TV it was a tiny (looked like a tag -not a tree tag) that appeared on the right hand corner of my ancestors name in my tree.
That sounds like a suffix. Check the suffix field in your name area.
BRING BACK FAMILY CIRCLES....... PLEASE!
Well I don’t work for Ancestry, but ThruLines is the same thing except in ThruLines they show you where they think those cousin are within your tree based on other member trees. In the DNA circles it was harder to know how the were related to you.
Why should I get the DNA from my mom or children tested if I’ve got my results already?
Mom yes, because you only inherit half of her DNA. You more DNA, thus deeper lines with each generation back you go. As for children they inherit half of your DNA and half of their fathers DNA. If you have their father’s DNA then you don’t need to test the children.
@@GenealogyTV thank you
Can someone tell me why my Brother does not show up in Thrulines but my sister does...??
Did they both take a DNA test? Did a descendant of your sister take one and not your brother? Only people who have descendants who have tested (or the person themselves) will show up in Thrulines. Start with that. If that doesn't make sense, let me know.
I'm just in the first five minutes of this video, and I don't see what you are talking about at all. It makes me wonder if this "traits" package is only available in the US? I'm in Canada.
Humm... Since I don't work for Ancestry, I don't have the answer to that one. You might try contacting support.
Note that some options are only available when working from computer. I like to poke around in Ancestry on my cell phone for a short while after I get in bed. I do not have access to some things from my Android cell phone ... but there is still plenty to play with, LOL.
Why would a name on the Trulines disappear?
It could be several reasons. Either other members that had originally connected them discovered they were wrong and disconnected them, or ancestry‘s algorithm updated it. Just keep in mind this is a hint feature, not all people in the ThruLines lines will be correct. It’s totally based on other peoples trees.
question are native americans all related to each other ?
Well that’s likely impossible to answer. I doubt it within recent history, but some genealogist believe that we’re all related to each other at some point. It just depends on how far back you have to go to make the connection.
@@GenealogyTV well from reading oline they say when the journey across the land bridge started about 100 asain people were traped in beringa for about 2000 yrs and from inter-breeding during that time gave them there very own dna Native Americain identidy ?
Why does Thrulines only follow my father's line and not my mother's?
You might not have any DNA matches on your mother’s side.
@@GenealogyTV I have many DNA matches on my mother's side, just no Thrulines. Both sides of my mother's family go back into hundreds of years of royalty, so it is even more strange
You might double check the ThruLines filter, you might have accidentally unchecked following your mother's line
Do you know where Christa disappeared to?
Didn’t know she disappeared.
@@GenealogyTV never mind I found her. She hadn't done a video in so long that I got concerned. 😳
Why are my half siblings connecting to my biological father?
Humm... It's likely that some other tree has it that way as a biological parent. The non-bio parents need to be labeled as such in all of the trees. Remember that ThruLines (the dashed boxes) is using other peoples trees in combination with their DNA match to you. So if their trees (or yours) have not labeled the non-bio parents as such, then I can see how the algorithm would line it up that way.
I've asked people with "private" trees for information and never received a response from them. I don;t bother any more. What the big secret is with these trees, I don;t know. I will share any info I have at any time.
I've also sent messages to at least 10 close DNA matched and only had 2 responses. Why do people get involved with this if they don't seem to give a damn?
Good question. Keep in mind that some of these people may not be alive anymore... or they don't have notifications turned on and don't know that you've left them a message until they login again. In some cases, people take DNA tests just to see the ethnicity estimates and have no interest in doing family history and thus they're doing it for the novelty of it. In other cases, people are fearful of communicating with strangers. There is a host of reasons, so please be patient and understanding of their privacy or concerns, whatever they may be. We never know what another is going through. Sometimes it's a sensitive issue that people need to come to terms with.
There are probably a lot of reasons people choose to make their trees private. I choose to make my main tree public allowing other folks to benefit from my research. I have however used a private tree in order to test an hypothetical family tree I have been pursuing. I don't want to put hypothetical information in a public tree that someone might take as factual information. This has proved to be very helpful in resolving a brick wall that I have been trying to solve for over 30 years.
I totally understand. That’s why I put the warning sign there. But that tree has been public for a long time, and I wanted to use the DNA results in combination with my hypothetical experiments.
@@gordontye7318 The problem is, that if you are on Ancestry, what you add to your tree does go out as hints to others that may be working on that same person. This has happened to me. Others have entered the same person I have in my tree, but instead of their place of birth being Sicily. Italy they have used Sicily , Nebraska, USA. This bogas place has continually come up in other hints.
Fatastic!