Why do people HATE Sleeve Bags?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มิ.ย. 2024
- Why do people dislike rolling sleeve bags so much? Here at Bag Riders we field two primary complaints. One complaint is that they require the user to have a higher tank pressure, this is pretty easy to solve by using a higher quality compressor, or a larger tank. The other relates to the accuracy of presets. People who are unfamiliar with air ride are much more likely to have a bad experience with this combination For example, pairing a pressure based control system, like an Air Lift 3P, with any standard rolling sleeve bag. Find out the full story by watching our video!
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00:00 - Intro
00:11 - Why some companies use sleeve bags
00:52 - The downsides of rolling sleeve bags in air suspension
01:42 - Demonstrating the problems of using rolling sleeve bags with pressure based management
02:09 - Science Experiment - Pressure Presets vs. Reality with sleeve bags
03:46 - Breaking down the results
04:27 - Is there something wrong with my pressure based management?
05:05 - How Rolling Sleeve style air suspension works
05:48 - What you can do right now if you have sleeve style air suspension
06:10 - What we recommend to permanently solve this problem
06:55 - Should I replace rear suspension that are rolling sleeve bags?
07:21 - Why you don't need to worry
07:41 - Conclusions
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This was a cool experiment to see. I have sleeve bags in the front with a pressure based management and I noticed its very inaccurate when I select a preset.
Keep in mind, it's not the pressure that is "inaccurate" - it's the variance in height. The pressure is always accurate.
Air Lift could solve this with a firmware update to their control system pretty easily. Just have the ability to "overshoot" on the way up (Front, Back, All, etc..) by a certain PSI value while staying under the "max". Then "settling" back to preset pressure as after all, it is a pressure based system. I notice my bellow style in the rear does this as there isn't much weight back there. Then it settles on it's own. Where as the front really doesn't given the additional weight.
However, they may not want to as they'd ideally like to sell the height sensor package along with this type of bag. Sure would be a neat feature though.
It would use up a preset slot, but you could have one set to be higher than the other presets so you can set it to that one and then set it to another
very interesting. i've always manually overshoot aired up with the up arrow on my 3p then hit my ride height even with airlift performance double bellows. old habits die hard I guess lol.
That's not a bad approach at all, it's pretty effective with rolling-sleeves. I've been in that habit myself.
I wish I knew this when I got my kit installed in my Pacifica. It was driving me crazy trying to figure out why presets weren’t working. Sleeves in front and bags in the rear. I have height sensors but I need to install them yet.
Awesome video 👍🏾
We are here to help! Once you install the height sensors this will solve the inaccuracies of having sleeve bags with pressure based systems.
awesome explanation, this explains a lot for those with sleeves
Glad it was helpful!
I love my rolling sleeve air bags on the front of 2001 Ford F350 crew cab dually. They will lift my front end about 9" Not bad for having a 7.3 diesel.
To me I figured you should only use those sleeves in the rear setups for fwd cars. Just my opinion
Sleeve bags are typically used in situations where the available space is limited, preventing the use of a double bellow due to its size.
@bagriders This was my thinking as well..I have bellows all around my 5th gen camaro and I had to be very careful when buying wheels and tires for my car. Width, offset and tire size because they can rub against those meaty double bellows in the front.
@@blkeclipsel2400 Yup you are correct, that is one important factor to take into consideration.
They come stock on older Mercedes Benz’s. I had a 2003 Mercedes S class with em, smoothest ride I’ve even felt on any car I mean it was astronomical. I lowered the car on the OE bags about 20 years and 180K and they were still going strong for quite some time despite some neglect from the previous owner. The biggest issue I had besides them eventually developing leaks, was calibrating the height sensors to work when I hit the raise button in the car but man it was great when it did work
One thing to keep in mind, the OEs use a true tapered air spring with a carefully tuned lower piston. Companies like Air Lift, D2 Racing, Tru-hart (all the rest as well) use a straight rolling sleeve. They really aren't equivalent to one another. Production of a true tapered sleeve is very difficult, which is likely why so much of the aftermarket options focus on bellow-based bags,
Could you please do a video on fbss systems and how they work please I'd love to see side to side in real time and what button to push
Thanks for the interest in our channel! I can make the recommendation to our team for a future video.
Can you guys do a video installing the 3h upgrade please!!
That would be a great video to share! Thank you for the recommendation.
@@bagriders thank you guys so much for everything you do I learned so much watching your videos, doing everything myself
Please make super lows for the Lexus RCF!! 👏
Thank you for expressing your interest in Super Low Air Suspension. We value your recommendation and will certainly take it into consideration. However, please be aware that our current commitments lie with other platforms at the moment.
Amazing video I am new to air suspension just installed a system on my polo all the way from south africa 🇿🇦 curious to know the difference between sleeve bags and bellow bags
Just to confirm are you referring to a single bellow or double bellow air bag?
@@bagriders double bellow
@@trivolandhaver8994 Bellows air bags generally are of a greater size compared to sleeve-style air springs, resulting in higher lifting capability and load-handling capacity. The design of most double bellows air springs permits inflation to the desired firmness and deflation in a similar manner. On the other hand, the sleeve design allows for a more compact overall diameter when constructing this type of air spring, distinguishing it from bellows air springs.
@@bagriders thank you
My question is are Sleeves, softer, then bellows I have bellows and it's like riding on a brick at any pressure it's a static air system only on the rear it becomes bouncy at 20 psi and bodoms out the strut and at 30 psi it's stiff it's like riding on a 2×4 piece of wood it's a bc racing coilover with Double bellow conversion bags any info and help will be greatly appreciated
This is because of the conversion bags and the way they relate to the available travel of your dampers. Check this video out here: th-cam.com/video/f6MzXOzFsB4/w-d-xo.html
Also - what year make and model is your car? Your best bet will be to run an off-the-shelf suspension, where an engineer chose the perfect travel range to match the bag and the weight of the vehicle.
I have double bellow airlift struts. I would always hear a thump going from aired out to ride height. I'd imagine its the air filling into the double bellows expanding both chambers after being collapsed on it self making that thumping noise. My rears are sleeves and they don't make any sound. Im wondering if that's normal for double bellows to do or something I should be concerned for. Thanks
I’ve heard that too. I think you’re right.
Yes it's completely normal to hear a double bellow make that thump noise when airing up!
It's normal. I have double bellow and it does that on my rear bags. It's the bag unfolding from itself. No damage happening. Completely normal and airlift is aware of it.
Verry upset with 3p the purchase air compressor was hot straight out the box plugging in 2 days later bag popped turning a curb at 60 mph your kit spent 1000 extra on everything said it was designing for my 5th generation bought 2 new compressor with your hard headed company and my part number for my vehicle overnighted 2 bags for the front and they both don’t fit, very terrible experience with bag rides and airlift performance I called at 7 am you guys send the incorrect part to buy and I knew because I just ordered that one with $150 1 day shipping look up the part number of the bag for the kit dosnt even pop up 🤣what a joke call the number they told me and sent me a bag for a Mercedes 🤣i dialed 7 for costumer service said your in a team meeting yall got me so messed up all the way how simple is it to display actual pictures for the part numbers and put the vehicle