You missed some important parts, the Sinn is hand assembled and they calibrate with the movement in the case. It’s not Cosc but Cosc is just a marketing tool for Swiss watch makers. Servicing at Sinn is far cheaper than the Breitling and you get any replaced parts back unlike Breitling. They also over refurbishing which is really reasonable. Sinn is a enthusiasts watch brand
I think this is a really great value. You get a lot for the money. The story of how Sinn (and also Ollech and Wajs) bought the rights and some of the cases and tooling for the watches when the original Breitling company got into difficulties in the 1970s is pretty interesting. I have an Ollech and Wajs "Navitimer" that looks a lot like an old Navitimer. It's one of my favorite watches. I'd seriously consider this new and improved Sinn model.
I don’t consider the Sinn a copy at all because it literally has the rights to it. This is a Sinn Navitimer. Over the years, both the Breitling and Sinn Navitimers have evolved independently to take on the core attributes of each brand. Sinn is more rugged and-do-it-all, while Breitling is dressier and more fragile, strictly a luxury interpretation. Yet, the aesthetics are still unmistakably similar. Personally, I love the story of the Navitimer, and Sinn is an offshoot of (and runs parallel to) that story. Any history lesson on the Navi should always include Sinn as they were a key player in helping Breitling survive the quartz crisis. Sinn has certainly earned its place in Navitimer lore.
I suppose Breitlimg didn't outright sell the design patent for the Navitimer but they merely licensed it to Sinn. After all Breitling started making the Navitimer again.
Hi Peter, nice review. Lately I've been paying some attention to Sinn and maybe getting one sooner rather than later. Since you mentioned Fabio, I also wanna give him a shout out, truly an amazing guy. I just bought a watch from his company, @timeonly. And you are correct, he does ship world wide, as in my case. I'm in Canada. The watch I bought was Muhle-Glashutte S.A.R. Rescue-Time Edition 1994 (black & blue special edition). It's still on the way but I'm sure I'll be happy with the purchase. So one more time, shout out to FABIO and TIME ONLY, amazing guy, comprehensive watch selection, not to mention very good pricing 😊
Great review Peter. I owned a 903ST and regret moving on from it. BTW, it's not 'you can't have your cake and eat it too.' It's 'you can't eat your cake and have it too.'
@@PeterKotsa Your school was wrong then. "You can't have your cake and eat it." The proverb literally means "you cannot simultaneously retain possession of a cake and eat it, too". Once the cake is eaten, it is gone. It can be used to say ..
I recently put a deposit down for this watch. It's not a copy because Sinn bought the rights from Breitling. Looking forward to receiving it. Hate the date on the watch but of well....
The waterproofness and price of this watch are impressive. However, let's not fool ourselves; everything else is superior on a Breitling-the B01 movement, the craftsmanship, the bracelet, the history, etc. But I really like this Sinn, I do.
Any watch tells the time. Not more and not less. How can a watch be better than another…? This is purely impossible. Some can be more precious and lot more expensive. Yes.
The Sinn is built better, it has better specifications technically and costs a lot less than the Navitimer....so in that regard it's a better watch overall Hope that makes sense cheers
Biased here Peter, or perhaps sponsored? The Breitling is leagues above the Sinn in finishing, wearability and movement quality. Comparing the best in class B01 to an off the shelf LJP, well there is no comparison. The Breitling is an icon, it is more than just a difference in logo.
I have to beg to differ regarding the finishing on this new updated 903...it is as good as any current Navi I have handled. Also the bezel feels better as does the crown (mind you this has a screw down crown). Everything just feels tighter and slightly better tolerances (thats my experience) 😊 As for the movement, agreed, the Breitling wins in this department, but that comes at a premium unfortunately Cheers
Sinn seems to be a brand that most reviewers will happily skip no matter how technology-advanced they design/develop/produce their watches. The 903 is great. I myself have my 8th Sinn right now.
You need to avoid 7 deadly Sinn, right? So 8 is a must. 😂😂😂 Jokes aside, i believe Sinn don't make that much of watches. So having 8 is .... almost like you buy every SKU of them. Incredible ...
@@argynkuketayev4166 Your right, Brietling also suffers from the same fate, as does Omega, Longines, IWC, Panerai, Tag, Tudor, Seiko etc.. I think only certain desirable hyped up watches seem to retain any real decent resale value or even make a few quid for the owners 👍
@@PeterKotsa it's much easier to resell Navitimer, and you don't need to subject your buyers to an hour long lecture to the history of Sinn's patent acquisition, everyone will not think the watch on you thinks is a replica. very few people outside watch geek circles know sinn
If Sinn made a "World" Navitimer with GMT Hand, I'd buy it. Breitling USA has a Better Business Bureau rating of "D-". Sinn is the "better" brand in my opinion.
As a Breitling Navitimer owner, I was about to suggest that you, perhaps, had been smoking something illegal. However, the arguments you make regarding water resistance, etc., are the same reasons that I don't wear my Navitimer full time. Thanks for a most interesting video.
The Breitling is minimum double overpriced. Same Movement as the Tudor BB Chrono, but the Tudor costs nearly the half. So the the price of the Breitling is only made by Marketing.
My biggest “issue” witty the Navitimer is the fact that you can basically wash you hands while wearing it. Can’t get in a pool. The new St II has 200 meters resistance. If I lay $10,000 for a watch, I should be able to get in a pool with it. I live in Texas so it’ll be a while before I can try on the Sinn, but prrrrretty sure I’m going that route. It’s the same watch other than the insignia.
Sinn knock it out of the ballpark with each of their models. I love my 103/104 and 556. Sinn if you read these comments please bring back some colourful dials like you did with the 556's.
Great looking watch. Love that the bezel is now directly actuated vs via the crown in the previous iteration. 200m WR is fantastic. I wish they'd make a black PVD version similar to the Navitimer Black Steel. And maybe they'll make a 24-hour variant one day. I would be unable to resist that!
Glad you loved the watch Peter! Im over the moon with the upgrades. I was of the impression the navy blue would be my choice but the black looks great with the lume hmm 🤔
Been waffling on the B01 for a while now but this video put me over the top for the Sinn. Half the price, double the specs. Done deal. Can't wait to receive.
We are liking the videos Mr. Kotsa, but more baldy goodness, and less wrist/body shots. Thank you, Sir. p.s. Sinn U50 Hydro, please can the Mister review.
I wish more people gave Sinn a try. Incredible brand. The Breitling Navitimer is actually the watch that brought me into this hobby, 20 years ago. No, I couldn't afford one--used to look at them in the shop with my dad, whose favorite watch was the Navitimer. Breitling pricing these days is eye-watering. I consider the Sinn a viable alternative with its own "soul" and every right to use the styling, given the history there.
Lovely watch, and very enjoyable video, thanks Peter. My only gripe with it (as it was with my Sinn 104) is the lack of drilled lugs, and when they are polished and undrilled it's a dealbreaker, because I like swapping straps out.
@@CorkKNIFE I have several very good Bergeon spring bar removal tools, but it would have been nice to have quick release for ease of strap changes when travelling with the watch cheers
To those who don't "get" the design... As a former military pilot the E6B "flight confuser" wheel is a thing. The fact I know how to use it is pretty cool. It's just as much an aviation watch to a pilot as a dive watch is to a diver.
It is absolutely a Sinn Toolwatch at its finest. It is a great watch for those that need/want one. Too bad I can't afford one 😂 That being said I do not really need one either I will have to stick with my Dan Henry 1945 (Which I love btw and would recommend to anyone that needs an affordable chrono).
Hello Peter always happy when the bell tell me new video thanks for your channel i'm following you since a long time, i like your method to explain on a review greetings from France
Man, you have so many things wrong in your comparison to a Navitimer... The Sinn is a fine watch but the Navitimer is so much more than you've articulated. It's a shame potential buyers will watch this and be utterly misinformed. Again, the Sinn is a fine watch. But a Navitimer it isn't and really can't and should not be compared.
I love the idea of the navitimer, but I just can’t see myself (even as a pilot) ever using the E6B in the form factor of a watch bezel. Using a slide rule itself is easy but you need to be able to clearly read the scales to line them up and that is hard enough to do on a full sized flight computer. Despite a flight computer living in my flight bag within easy reach I have yet to actually use it in the air. All of that said, I can’t stop coming back to the Navitimer as something I “need” in my collection. Right next to a Hanhart 417 RS Flyback, and a Sinn 103 column wheel Ti DIAPAL… and a winning lottery ticket to cover them all!
Peter, I admire your aesthetic range! I can see the values that this watch holds but I just can’t get to this aesthetic. Definitely see the tool value though! Sinn just kills the aviator tool watch! Amazing stuff…
When it comes to build quality, water resistance, price, and servicing costs Sinn wins. Breitling has some nice improvements with to the 01, but their ongoing quality control and warranty issues are hard to overlook. Not to mention that I waited 4 months for my watch to come back.. Im making the trade, the LJP L112 is more than enough for a tool watch
I’m a longtime Sinn fan and got introduced to the brand when I was researching the Breitling Navitimer. Ended up buying neither but have so far ended up getting a 556A and a 568. Now I’m hunting for a 1959 809 re-edition and stumble on this video. Bugger…I can get the Breitling used for $6800 at the moment but the Sinn 903 is ticking so many more boxes it’s making me doubt pulling the trigger. I’m a cargo pilot and wasn’t really planning on wearing the 809 to work. Wouldn’t trust it outside on the cargo ramp in the rain. Cockpits are scratch central so the 809 wouldn’t be a very practical everyday watch on the job. The 903 with it’s 20 bar rating and sapphire glass looks to be perfect as a daily.
Sinn make good honest watches. In this case, literally ( case ) it doesn’t make sense to have such a THICC pilot style watch. 100m W/R and a much thinner case would have been preferable. As it is, it’s too confused and over proportioned. Its saving grace is the price……. Great reviews Pete and keep up the great reviews and presentations for all of us to enjoy. Bravo !
I watched this clip over and over again. You speak with so much passion about this watch. I was in Frankfurt to see it live in the official Sinn shop. Nice watches overall. I ordered my 903 ST 2 before watching it live though 🙂
Have the 903 LE on order and have a previous gen 41mm Navitimer (with the 7750, not the updated B01) and the height on that is 14.4mm so it's identical to the Sinn thickness. Looking forward to having both in the collection. Hearing the LE's won't ship until later this year (Oct). :(
Thanka for the comprhensive review. Two questions: Do the hands have a metal finish or are they painted white? Also, do I see an eccentric adjustment screw on the regulator mechanism?
@@PeterKotsa Thanks for the reply. White hands are good! I can see what looks like an eccentric adjustment screw on the regulator stud in your video. If that's what it is that's also great because it allows for precise fine adjustment in a manner similar to a swan neck regulator.
Amazing watch. I have an older Sinn 903 and have always believed it is the value proposition over the Breitling. Sinn did an amazing job with the recent release of the 903ST. So many folks commented when the 903 went missing from Sinn's catalogue. So glad to see they have brought it back better than ever. The other watch brand that also bought rights to the Naivitimer design was Ollech and Wajs. Thanks for the review, Peter.
Maybe not 3 times 😊 After experiencing this in the hand though, I can tell you the build feels better engineered than the Navi. Even the rotating bezel feels more premium on this, but point taken..more of my excitement speaking there 😂
A nice looking alternative to a Navitimer, and I can see why some people would choose it, but I’m happy with my two Navitimers. The Sinn’s design is just not so refined, it simply looks a bit cheap to my eyes when I look into the details of the layout. I find the crown particularly ugly. Your comment about the B01 looking like it’s based on the 7750 is very wide of the mark - they have nothing in common. I am very impressed by the water resistance, and I’d love to know how they achieved. Overall an interesting video about a really nice watch, but the Ferrari/Toyota comparison is laughable and just makes you look silly.
A nice looking alternative to a Navitimer, and I can see why some people would choose it, but I’m happy with my two Navitimers. The Sinn’s design is just not so refined, it simply looks a bit cheap to my eyes when I look into the details of the layout. I find the crown particularly ugly. Your comment about the B01 looking like it’s based on the 7750 is very wide of the mark - they have nothing in common. I am very impressed by the water resistance, and I’d love to know how they achieved. Overall an interesting video about a really nice watch, but the Ferrari/Toyota comparison is laughable and just makes you look silly.
Good video, thanks for staying up late. Ive always loved the look of the Navitimer but not the price for what it is. I’ll be seriously looking in to this Sinn after watching your video.
Thanks Peter. I bought a Sinn 356 because I refused to pay for the IWC. My wife has the Mark XVIII because it was a gift. 41mm is big. There are other smaller Navitimers that can we got in smaller sized for about the price of the Sinn 903. 39mm is preferred. Thank you, and take care.
It’s very simple: If you like but cannot afford a Breitling Navitimer, then don’t buy it, but look at more affordable alternatives, like this Sinn. But don’t say it is better, as price is nothing. It is about value. Price is what you pay, value is what you get. And Breitling Navitimers are value for money. Whether you can afford or are willing to pay it or not. Sinn is not better or worse, it is just a different watch. More affordable.
I think the only way this watch could be improved is if the date window were decorated in some way, like with the stepped cutout on the previous version, instead of looking like an afterthought on this one. The way you can see the dial deform around the date window due to being stamped looks a little cheap to me as well, as opposed to actually cutting the rectangle out.
I like your videos Peter so much. Great to be able to see you as well. It makes your movies warmer, closer to your viewers. As for the Sinn watches - I’m so impressed by the value they give for the price you pay. A Sinn 556 RS is on my list now. This one may be the next one. I’m glad I could get your impressions of this watch, thanks for sharing
As you know Pete I’m a huge Sinn fan and this piece is a beautiful, functional and very well priced. Now to save those pennies and get one on my wrist 😊 Great video as always brother, keep up the good work 👍
@@PeterKotsa its a bit late for that m8, I can drink a dozen on a evening , and it barely registers . I rarely get drunk , I think I'm immune now , lol. Beer is a passion of mine and watches of course.
I had the previous 903 from Sinn and a Navitimer years after. Sold both and I only regret the Sinn sometimes. You get more shine with polished hands on the Navitimer and that's all. This change from Sinn wasn't necessary in my opinion but it's an achievement to have 200wr, by a clever bezel mechanism and also a screw down crown. You mention swimming with it ; while it looks silly to do that, the simple fact that I don't have to remove my watch If i'm giving my kid a bath or washing something with the Sinn is enough. Also important to note that the logarithmic scale of the Sinn is complete while the one on the latest Navitimer has been made simpler, which detracts from its purpose. The Sinn is much closer to the old Navitimers. Thanks for your video and close ups. From the website it looks like the black dial is sunburst while on close ups, it isn't. Can you confirm sunburst treatment ? I'm really considering adding a new 903 now ... :) 2 wishes : - a date wheel closer to the dial - a close caseback as i don't give a F* to the see through case back
Sinn LJP movement. Breitling B01 movement. End of story. Breitling is worth the money vs Sinn. And you won’t have to keep explaining to everyone the whole “Sinn bought the rights 45 years ago” story when defending your “fake” navitimer. lol. Btw why would you need 200m on a pilots watch?
I got the U1 last year, and I have to say that it’s been just as good as I hoped it would be - no disappointment there. And now I’m waiting for a 903, due to ship August or September. Got to love the Sinn!
I know that the younger crowd prefers thinner because it looks classier. But I like my watches tall, with prescense on the wrist. By the way Jomashop is selling the 43mm Navitimer with light blue dial, on a leather strap for $6,850 USd. 4th of July sale. Thanks for showing this watch, I did not know Sinn made it, and I do like it better than the Breitling.
Yes, my B-I-L has a Breitling Navitimer purchased at least 20 years ago when he lived and worked in the USA. Still has it and wears it.....a beautiful watch. I seem to recall he paid something like US$8.000 with a leather strap but bought the bracelet some months later. The bracelet makes this watch pop and is definitely the right decision. I too have read about the sale to Sinn of the rights to produce this piece. Greetings from Perth.
I compared both for a while, but I gotta say Breitling is on another level even fully in house caliber that's a bad ass. I own the 1962 limited edition and it's awesome.
This video is special for me. Because I own Sinn 903 for 5y, it just has been serviced and I had to wait 3months to get it back. Only then I realised how much I like the watch and missed it. I bought it cause I admired Navitimer eversince I saw some pics of John Travolta wearing it as a pilot in early 90s. I thought I'd never be able to afford it and then I found Sinn and my problem was solved. Dream came true. I absolutely understand your passion.
Great watch but I don’t like brand confusion. Sinn has several compelling chronographs. I’d look elsewhere. Peter also has a bias towards Sinn (sorry but true).
No apologies needed 👍 Yes, I do have a bias to this brand, because of its specific tool functionality that they seem to do better than other brands. Here in this model I find it to be especially true, because we actually get a chance to compare apples with apples, cheers
@@PeterKotsa The only spec I believe to be largely irrelevant in your comparison is the water resistance . The Sinn water resistance tech (even on push / pull crowns) is fantastic but this isn’t a diver.
@@user-vv1qm5dj9c You're right its not a diver but it gives superb reassurance when water activities are involved in daily life. I think the practical aspect here is a bigger draw card for me as it would suit my lifestyle choices better than the Breitling cheers
Does the inner bezel not turn?!?!? I thought that was one of the engineering wins, being able to turn the inner bezel without the 4th crown and still getting 200m water resistance? Maybe you showed it and I missed it?
That is a very nice watch, I've always liked that design 🙂 But I would clearly prefer a manual wind version of one of these to have a thinner watch case. Most of automatic chronographs are too thick, it is not very elegant on a wrist to my eyes. Thanks for the review and for the explanations about that specific model 👋
I’ve looked at this watch on wrist & the Navitimer. I can say that the Navitimer is a better overall execution for my taste & expectations. Some might be fine with Sinn, but it feels like a degree/notch below the standard.
Lovely watch. It’s already a thick watch, so to add nearly a mm is a lot. Appreciate the water resistance, but let’s be honest, this is a dress watch for most people, and it won’t go anywhere near a beach or water. They should make a manual wind version and get the thickness down.
14.5 is just too thick...im buying navi only because they made it thiner now. if im going to the beach,i will ware my dive watch. And im pretty sure anyone lookng for 903 or navi probabaly will have a dive watch.😊
I had a previous incarnation of the Sinn. Very good watch. Top quality, but my heart yearned for the Icon Navitimer, and I flipped it. To your point the Navi movement is better, but beyond that, the watches are neck and neck. Would highly recommend to anyone.
I think the previous version of the Sinn was close to the Breitling (neck and neck) as you mentioned. With this new updated model, they seem to have made some real impressive upgrades 👍
Thanks for the review Pete, I'm glad to see the 903 is back! There were rumors that it was out of production. Instead, Sinn seems to have restored the rotating bezel system by deleting the rotating crown at 10 o'clock. Random Bob has done a face off between an older. Sinn 903 and Breitling Navitimer.
Im off to the post office this morning to send this one back..I am having some serious thoughts about buying it... What comes OUT of the collection though?.....ahhhhh decisions decisions 😂😂
I'm just thankful we have first world problems like this. 😊 Nonetheless, I had FoMO syndrome when Peter at Define advised that the previous model 903's with the latest column wheel upgrade was sold out. Unbeknownst to him and me, Sinn was already planning to release this new model. So my FoMO anxiety has been cured....for now 😂
My budget and knowledge of wristwatches overall I'm chosing Sinn over Breitling every time and the fact that you always put a real fine point on all of your professional content seals the deal PS I'm super glad that you are more comfortable in front of lense now just another touch of unprofessionalism imo Be well my friend and God Bless you and Yours 👍
I own the Breitling Navitimer Cosmonaut 24HR B02 2022 steel/platinum and it's an awesome, while I do love the Sinn 903 ST2 they are imitar but Cosmonaut is above this Sinn. I still love the 903.
Well, the watch is... small. Breitling offers 43 and 46 for those who want to at least pretend they will ever use the core functions of the watch ie calculations. Personally I'd feel silly (and unnecessarily out of pocket) wearing something that is basically unusable for its core functions just for the sake of it looking cool, if that's the purpose they may as well just print some random decorative little numbers on the dial. But each to their own.
I had a navitimer in that style, but sold it years ago. I bought 2 new breitling the premiere b09 n the new automatic navitimer 41 in green. I am not in the buttons anymore, I am not that sporty.
While it is a great value of a watch, a total of 6 minute markers at 3 and 9 positions are cut off by the sub-dials; not sure I can un-see that. Also, wished there wasn't a date window to make the dial less clutter, like in the limited edition version.
You missed some important parts, the Sinn is hand assembled and they calibrate with the movement in the case. It’s not Cosc but Cosc is just a marketing tool for Swiss watch makers.
Servicing at Sinn is far cheaper than the Breitling and you get any replaced parts back unlike Breitling. They also over refurbishing which is really reasonable.
Sinn is a enthusiasts watch brand
Only I.D.I.O.T.S buy a Sinn!
I think this is a really great value. You get a lot for the money. The story of how Sinn (and also Ollech and Wajs) bought the rights and some of the cases and tooling for the watches when the original Breitling company got into difficulties in the 1970s is pretty interesting. I have an Ollech and Wajs "Navitimer" that looks a lot like an old Navitimer. It's one of my favorite watches. I'd seriously consider this new and improved Sinn model.
Nice shout Peter a great-looking watch mate, the price is a no-brainer period very tempted to purchase one, all the best from the UK.
I don’t consider the Sinn a copy at all because it literally has the rights to it. This is a Sinn Navitimer. Over the years, both the Breitling and Sinn Navitimers have evolved independently to take on the core attributes of each brand. Sinn is more rugged and-do-it-all, while Breitling is dressier and more fragile, strictly a luxury interpretation. Yet, the aesthetics are still unmistakably similar. Personally, I love the story of the Navitimer, and Sinn is an offshoot of (and runs parallel to) that story. Any history lesson on the Navi should always include Sinn as they were a key player in helping Breitling survive the quartz crisis. Sinn has certainly earned its place in Navitimer lore.
Nicely said 👍
Absolutely spot on
I suppose Breitlimg didn't outright sell the design patent for the Navitimer but they merely licensed it to Sinn. After all Breitling started making the Navitimer again.
Hi Peter, nice review. Lately I've been paying some attention to Sinn and maybe getting one sooner rather than later. Since you mentioned Fabio, I also wanna give him a shout out, truly an amazing guy. I just bought a watch from his company, @timeonly. And you are correct, he does ship world wide, as in my case. I'm in Canada.
The watch I bought was Muhle-Glashutte S.A.R. Rescue-Time Edition 1994 (black & blue special edition). It's still on the way but I'm sure I'll be happy with the purchase. So one more time, shout out to FABIO and TIME ONLY, amazing guy, comprehensive watch selection, not to mention very good pricing 😊
Thats a superb watch..enjoy it Santo...well done brother 👍👍
Santo! Thank you so much 😊 let me know what you think of the Mühle, should arrive very soon!
Great review Peter. I owned a 903ST and regret moving on from it. BTW, it's not 'you can't have your cake and eat it too.' It's 'you can't eat your cake and have it too.'
Here we say it the other way around...well thats what they taught us in school
Remember we are upside down here too apparently 😂😂🇦🇺
@@PeterKotsa Your school was wrong then. "You can't have your cake and eat it."
The proverb literally means "you cannot simultaneously retain possession of a cake and eat it, too". Once the cake is eaten, it is gone. It can be used to say ..
@@mikeraiche5063 I know what it means, the whole point of this video is that you CAN have your cake and eat it with this Sinn...
cheers
Ahh...so they did get it wrong in school then.
I recently put a deposit down for this watch. It's not a copy because Sinn bought the rights from Breitling. Looking forward to receiving it. Hate the date on the watch but of well....
The waterproofness and price of this watch are impressive. However, let's not fool ourselves; everything else is superior on a Breitling-the B01 movement, the craftsmanship, the bracelet, the history, etc. But I really like this Sinn, I do.
Well said 👌
Sure the movement. But not the craftsmanship.
Just from what Peter said, the lume is better on the Sinn than the Breitling. (Not sure who would make a purchase decision on that basis, but still…)
Nice watch mate, how much are they asking?
I prefer the talking hands. Less face time and more watch. Great review though.
Trying to find a decent balance 😊
Any watch tells the time. Not more and not less. How can a watch be better than another…? This is purely impossible. Some can be more precious and lot more expensive. Yes.
The Sinn is built better, it has better specifications technically and costs a lot less than the Navitimer....so in that regard it's a better watch overall
Hope that makes sense
cheers
Nice watch. Lots of bang for the buck there.
Biased here Peter, or perhaps sponsored?
The Breitling is leagues above the Sinn in finishing, wearability and movement quality.
Comparing the best in class B01 to an off the shelf LJP, well there is no comparison.
The Breitling is an icon, it is more than just a difference in logo.
I have to beg to differ regarding the finishing on this new updated 903...it is as good as any current Navi I have handled. Also the bezel feels better as does the crown (mind you this has a screw down crown).
Everything just feels tighter and slightly better tolerances (thats my experience) 😊
As for the movement, agreed, the Breitling wins in this department, but that comes at a premium unfortunately
Cheers
Pricy
@@guidine7 not compared to a Breitling Navi.
Yes, I suppose it is, but nowhere near the asking price of the Breitling 👍
Does this new Sinn 903 use bi-directional auto winding?
No it doesn't
Sinn seems to be a brand that most reviewers will happily skip no matter how technology-advanced they design/develop/produce their watches. The 903 is great. I myself have my 8th Sinn right now.
8 Sinn's?...wow..one of their best brand ambassadors 😊😂
You need to avoid 7 deadly Sinn, right?
So 8 is a must.
😂😂😂
Jokes aside, i believe Sinn don't make that much of watches. So having 8 is .... almost like you buy every SKU of them.
Incredible ...
the trouble with Sinn is at resale. if you don't resell then they're fine
@@argynkuketayev4166 Your right, Brietling also suffers from the same fate, as does Omega, Longines, IWC, Panerai, Tag, Tudor, Seiko etc..
I think only certain desirable hyped up watches seem to retain any real decent resale value or even make a few quid for the owners 👍
@@PeterKotsa it's much easier to resell Navitimer, and you don't need to subject your buyers to an hour long lecture to the history of Sinn's patent acquisition, everyone will not think the watch on you thinks is a replica. very few people outside watch geek circles know sinn
Bought the Sinn last year, as a previous Navitimer owner the Sinn is definitely a better watch to wear and live with.
If Sinn made a "World" Navitimer with GMT Hand, I'd buy it. Breitling USA has a Better Business Bureau rating of "D-". Sinn is the "better" brand in my opinion.
As a Breitling Navitimer owner, I was about to suggest that you, perhaps, had been smoking something illegal. However, the arguments you make regarding water resistance, etc., are the same reasons that I don't wear my Navitimer full time. Thanks for a most interesting video.
I love the Navi, almost bought one a while back and the only thing that stopped me back then was $$
The Breitling is minimum double overpriced. Same Movement as the Tudor BB Chrono, but the Tudor costs nearly the half. So the the price of the Breitling is only made by Marketing.
I am a Navitimer owner too and honestly, after I had a Sinn 903 in my hands I was asking myself why did I have spent so much money.
My biggest “issue” witty the Navitimer is the fact that you can basically wash you hands while wearing it. Can’t get in a pool. The new St II has 200 meters resistance. If I lay $10,000 for a watch, I should be able to get in a pool with it. I live in Texas so it’ll be a while before I can try on the Sinn, but prrrrretty sure I’m going that route. It’s the same watch other than the insignia.
One of the best of the watch channels, I never miss an episode.
Too kind 😊🙏
Sinn knock it out of the ballpark with each of their models. I love my 103/104 and 556. Sinn if you read these comments please bring back some colourful dials like you did with the 556's.
Great looking watch. Love that the bezel is now directly actuated vs via the crown in the previous iteration. 200m WR is fantastic. I wish they'd make a black PVD version similar to the Navitimer Black Steel. And maybe they'll make a 24-hour variant one day. I would be unable to resist that!
Glad you loved the watch Peter! Im over the moon with the upgrades. I was of the impression the navy blue would be my choice but the black looks great with the lume hmm 🤔
Thanks for the chance to get hands on bro 👍
Been waffling on the B01 for a while now but this video put me over the top for the Sinn. Half the price, double the specs. Done deal. Can't wait to receive.
You’ll be pleasantly impressed 👍
We are liking the videos Mr. Kotsa, but more baldy goodness, and less wrist/body shots. Thank you, Sir.
p.s. Sinn U50 Hydro, please can the Mister review.
Sinn prices have gone through the roof. Now it’s cheaper to buy a Hanhart chronograph.
I wish more people gave Sinn a try. Incredible brand. The Breitling Navitimer is actually the watch that brought me into this hobby, 20 years ago. No, I couldn't afford one--used to look at them in the shop with my dad, whose favorite watch was the Navitimer. Breitling pricing these days is eye-watering. I consider the Sinn a viable alternative with its own "soul" and every right to use the styling, given the history there.
Lovely watch, and very enjoyable video, thanks Peter.
My only gripe with it (as it was with my Sinn 104) is the lack of drilled lugs, and when they are polished and undrilled it's a dealbreaker, because I like swapping straps out.
I should have probably mentioned the lack of quick release spring bars on this leather strap as I love to quickly swap out straps too 👍
Why not simply buy a proper watch spring bar removal tool?
@@CorkKNIFE I have several very good Bergeon spring bar removal tools, but it would have been nice to have quick release for ease of strap changes when travelling with the watch
cheers
how to rotate the bezel? 200m w/r is incredeble. Breitling cannot make 200m w/r yet.
Bezel rotates no problem 👍
Excellent review of the Sinn! The newly applied logo and lume should be the standard for some of their other models, moving forward 👍
I agree Toran, that logo really pops in such a cool and classy way for this watch.
Lets see if they listen 👍
To those who don't "get" the design...
As a former military pilot the E6B "flight confuser" wheel is a thing. The fact I know how to use it is pretty cool.
It's just as much an aviation watch to a pilot as a dive watch is to a diver.
i guess... knowing how to use things that one was trained to use is pretty standard.
It is absolutely a Sinn Toolwatch at its finest. It is a great watch for those that need/want one.
Too bad I can't afford one 😂
That being said I do not really need one either I will have to stick with my Dan Henry 1945 (Which I love btw and would recommend to anyone that needs an affordable chrono).
Rest well my friend.
Nice review of this beautiful masterpiece.
Gotta love Sinn!
Hello Peter always happy when the bell tell me new video thanks for your channel i'm following you since a long time, i like your method to explain on a review greetings from France
Thanks Cedric, blessings from Melbourne Australia..🇦🇺
@@PeterKotsa i'm following you since a long time and never been disapointed
I have never met a diver who actually uses a Rolex sub to dive with. They are bought by fat people who sit at desks; some don’t even swim…😂😂😂
My navitimer is,60s/a 60s car is bound to struggle against(some) newer cars,.but its a classic,,like the cars😮
Sinn or Breitling, a navitimer is as navitimer.
So ... Good for anyone who loves it but definitely not for me.
Man, you have so many things wrong in your comparison to a Navitimer... The Sinn is a fine watch but the Navitimer is so much more than you've articulated. It's a shame potential buyers will watch this and be utterly misinformed. Again, the Sinn is a fine watch. But a Navitimer it isn't and really can't and should not be compared.
I love the idea of the navitimer, but I just can’t see myself (even as a pilot) ever using the E6B in the form factor of a watch bezel. Using a slide rule itself is easy but you need to be able to clearly read the scales to line them up and that is hard enough to do on a full sized flight computer. Despite a flight computer living in my flight bag within easy reach I have yet to actually use it in the air. All of that said, I can’t stop coming back to the Navitimer as something I “need” in my collection. Right next to a Hanhart 417 RS Flyback, and a Sinn 103 column wheel Ti DIAPAL… and a winning lottery ticket to cover them all!
Buy me a ticket whilst your at it 😊
Learned a lot thanks! I’m always shocked by the prices of Breitling… I like many of their watches and I guess I’m not the target demographic.
Peter, I admire your aesthetic range! I can see the values that this watch holds but I just can’t get to this aesthetic. Definitely see the tool value though! Sinn just kills the aviator tool watch! Amazing stuff…
The argument could not have been more clearly made. Enjoyable to watch, but not my kind of watch.
Not everyones cup of tea brother..👍
When it comes to build quality, water resistance, price, and servicing costs Sinn wins. Breitling has some nice improvements with to the 01, but their ongoing quality control and warranty issues are hard to overlook. Not to mention that I waited 4 months for my watch to come back.. Im making the trade, the LJP L112 is more than enough for a tool watch
I’m a longtime Sinn fan and got introduced to the brand when I was researching the Breitling Navitimer. Ended up buying neither but have so far ended up getting a 556A and a 568. Now I’m hunting for a 1959 809 re-edition and stumble on this video. Bugger…I can get the Breitling used for $6800 at the moment but the Sinn 903 is ticking so many more boxes it’s making me doubt pulling the trigger. I’m a cargo pilot and wasn’t really planning on wearing the 809 to work. Wouldn’t trust it outside on the cargo ramp in the rain. Cockpits are scratch central so the 809 wouldn’t be a very practical everyday watch on the job. The 903 with it’s 20 bar rating and sapphire glass looks to be perfect as a daily.
Wow, that’s dedication. Both watches (especially the Navi) are out of my price range, but still found the video fascinating and informative. Thanks!
Thanks for watching! 🙏
It is a sin to buy a sinn!! So sinful that u want it secretly
😋😂
Perfect and subtle use of red in that dial.
Sinn make good honest watches. In this case, literally ( case ) it doesn’t make sense to have such a THICC pilot style watch. 100m W/R and a much thinner case would have been preferable. As it is, it’s too confused and over proportioned. Its saving grace is the price……. Great reviews Pete and keep up the great reviews and presentations for all of us to enjoy. Bravo !
I watched this clip over and over again. You speak with so much passion about this watch. I was in Frankfurt to see it live in the official Sinn shop. Nice watches overall. I ordered my 903 ST 2 before watching it live though 🙂
Thanks for sharing!
Enjoy it 👍
@@PeterKotsa over and over Peter! Also great footage of the watch!
Have the 903 LE on order and have a previous gen 41mm Navitimer (with the 7750, not the updated B01) and the height on that is 14.4mm so it's identical to the Sinn thickness. Looking forward to having both in the collection. Hearing the LE's won't ship until later this year (Oct). :(
Congrats, enjoy 👍
Thanka for the comprhensive review. Two questions: Do the hands have a metal finish or are they painted white? Also, do I see an eccentric adjustment screw on the regulator mechanism?
From memory the handset was painted white...
as for the eccentric screw, i cannot remember as I had to send the watch back...
@@PeterKotsa Thanks for the reply. White hands are good! I can see what looks like an eccentric adjustment screw on the regulator stud in your video. If that's what it is that's also great because it allows for precise fine adjustment in a manner similar to a swan neck regulator.
Amazing watch. I have an older Sinn 903 and have always believed it is the value proposition over the Breitling. Sinn did an amazing job with the recent release of the 903ST. So many folks commented when the 903 went missing from Sinn's catalogue. So glad to see they have brought it back better than ever. The other watch brand that also bought rights to the Naivitimer design was Ollech and Wajs. Thanks for the review, Peter.
Correct..👍
I have the previous Version, this looks so much better with the 3d Indices/Logo, very tempted to trade up 😊
Breitling buys in its movements and just adds a bit of make up and lip stick…….Fact.
It’s not 3x the watch the Navitimer is. Let’s not go crazy with the hyperbole.
Maybe not 3 times 😊
After experiencing this in the hand though, I can tell you the build feels better engineered than the Navi.
Even the rotating bezel feels more premium on this, but point taken..more of my excitement speaking there 😂
A nice looking alternative to a Navitimer, and I can see why some people would choose it, but I’m happy with my two Navitimers. The Sinn’s design is just not so refined, it simply looks a bit cheap to my eyes when I look into the details of the layout. I find the crown particularly ugly.
Your comment about the B01 looking like it’s based on the 7750 is very wide of the mark - they have nothing in common.
I am very impressed by the water resistance, and I’d love to know how they achieved.
Overall an interesting video about a really nice watch, but the Ferrari/Toyota comparison is laughable and just makes you look silly.
A nice looking alternative to a Navitimer, and I can see why some people would choose it, but I’m happy with my two Navitimers. The Sinn’s design is just not so refined, it simply looks a bit cheap to my eyes when I look into the details of the layout. I find the crown particularly ugly.
Your comment about the B01 looking like it’s based on the 7750 is very wide of the mark - they have nothing in common.
I am very impressed by the water resistance, and I’d love to know how they achieved.
Overall an interesting video about a really nice watch, but the Ferrari/Toyota comparison is laughable and just makes you look silly.
I like that they did away with the external crown at 10 o’ clock for the slide rule and made it like the original Sinn Navitimer.
Good video, thanks for staying up late. Ive always loved the look of the Navitimer but not the price for what it is. I’ll be seriously looking in to this Sinn after watching your video.
Doesnt dissapoint 👍
Thanks Peter. I bought a Sinn 356 because I refused to pay for the IWC. My wife has the Mark XVIII because it was a gift. 41mm is big. There are other smaller Navitimers that can we got in smaller sized for about the price of the Sinn 903. 39mm is preferred. Thank you, and take care.
It’s very simple: If you like but cannot afford a Breitling Navitimer, then don’t buy it, but look at more affordable alternatives, like this Sinn. But don’t say it is better, as price is nothing. It is about value. Price is what you pay, value is what you get. And Breitling Navitimers are value for money. Whether you can afford or are willing to pay it or not. Sinn is not better or worse, it is just a different watch. More affordable.
i would have the Sinn all day long over the breitling
Nice alternative.
I think the only way this watch could be improved is if the date window were decorated in some way, like with the stepped cutout on the previous version, instead of looking like an afterthought on this one. The way you can see the dial deform around the date window due to being stamped looks a little cheap to me as well, as opposed to actually cutting the rectangle out.
All things said ✅ thx. Get going 🚀
SINN seem to have history with purchasing rights/double stamping. The original Bell & Ross watches were produced and co signed by SINN
Toyota is ranked no. 1 on JD Powers for decades now. Toyota and Lexus are better cars.
Haha..probably the wrong model to use as a comparison...thanks for the heads up 👍😂😊
The watch manufacturers should not be making tiny quantities of limited editions. What's the point? It only frustrates watch collectors.
I like your videos Peter so much. Great to be able to see you as well. It makes your movies warmer, closer to your viewers.
As for the Sinn watches - I’m so impressed by the value they give for the price you pay. A Sinn 556 RS is on my list now. This one may be the next one.
I’m glad I could get your impressions of this watch, thanks for sharing
Sinn has been in the game for a long tine, especially in case technology etc
Thanks for sharing brother 👍
As you know Pete I’m a huge Sinn fan and this piece is a beautiful, functional and very well priced. Now to save those pennies and get one on my wrist 😊 Great video as always brother, keep up the good work 👍
Right on!
Good to hear from you brother
Did Sinn not buy EXCLUSIVE rights? Otherwise why is Breitling using the navitimer design if they already sold it?
I believe Sinn as well as Ollech and Wajs have the rights..plus Breitling....so no not exclusive
This is a very nice piece and if you consider the price and what it offers, it becomes really appealing
Totally agreed 👍
Thank you for staying up late. I was set on buying the Backbay59 GMT for my next watch. Not anymore! Wow, what a stunner.
It is great alternative with original design and great proportions 🎉Superb video❤
Beautiful watch, would love to buy it some time, love the light blue one..
Not really my cup of tea peter , so i will have another beer instead, lol. Hope your good m8 and great vid as always .
Hahaha..not too many beers brother 🍺
@@PeterKotsa its a bit late for that m8, I can drink a dozen on a evening , and it barely registers . I rarely get drunk , I think I'm immune now , lol. Beer is a passion of mine and watches of course.
Sinn makes awesome watches, and their Navitimer is as well made as Breitling's, IMO. Great presentation, my brother.
Cheers Alix 👍
I had the previous 903 from Sinn and a Navitimer years after. Sold both and I only regret the Sinn sometimes. You get more shine with polished hands on the Navitimer and that's all. This change from Sinn wasn't necessary in my opinion but it's an achievement to have 200wr, by a clever bezel mechanism and also a screw down crown. You mention swimming with it ; while it looks silly to do that, the simple fact that I don't have to remove my watch If i'm giving my kid a bath or washing something with the Sinn is enough.
Also important to note that the logarithmic scale of the Sinn is complete while the one on the latest Navitimer has been made simpler, which detracts from its purpose. The Sinn is much closer to the old Navitimers.
Thanks for your video and close ups. From the website it looks like the black dial is sunburst while on close ups, it isn't. Can you confirm sunburst treatment ?
I'm really considering adding a new 903 now ... :)
2 wishes :
- a date wheel closer to the dial
- a close caseback as i don't give a F* to the see through case back
Yes it does have sunburst (very subtle)
Sinn LJP movement. Breitling B01 movement. End of story. Breitling is worth the money vs Sinn. And you won’t have to keep explaining to everyone the whole “Sinn bought the rights 45 years ago” story when defending your “fake” navitimer. lol. Btw why would you need 200m on a pilots watch?
This and the U1 are my ultimate SINN's. I aspire to own both at one time. Great review Peter.
Im sure you will acquire them both one day brother...excellent pieces in their own right 👍
I got the U1 last year, and I have to say that it’s been just as good as I hoped it would be - no disappointment there. And now I’m waiting for a 903, due to ship August or September. Got to love the Sinn!
I know that the younger crowd prefers thinner because it looks classier. But I like my watches tall, with prescense on the wrist. By the way Jomashop is selling the 43mm Navitimer with light blue dial, on a leather strap for $6,850 USd. 4th of July sale. Thanks for showing this watch, I did not know Sinn made it, and I do like it better than the Breitling.
Yes, my B-I-L has a Breitling Navitimer purchased at least 20 years ago when he lived and worked in the USA. Still has it and wears it.....a beautiful watch. I seem to recall he paid something like US$8.000 with a leather strap but bought the bracelet some months later. The bracelet makes this watch pop and is definitely the right decision. I too have read about the sale to Sinn of the rights to produce this piece. Greetings from Perth.
I compared both for a while, but I gotta say Breitling is on another level even fully in house caliber that's a bad ass. I own the 1962 limited edition and it's awesome.
This video is special for me. Because I own Sinn 903 for 5y, it just has been serviced and I had to wait 3months to get it back. Only then I realised how much I like the watch and missed it. I bought it cause I admired Navitimer eversince I saw some pics of John Travolta wearing it as a pilot in early 90s. I thought I'd never be able to afford it and then I found Sinn and my problem was solved. Dream came true. I absolutely understand your passion.
Thats a great journey with this watch so far, thanks for sharing Marek 👍
Great watch but I don’t like brand confusion. Sinn has several compelling chronographs. I’d look elsewhere. Peter also has a bias towards Sinn (sorry but true).
No apologies needed 👍
Yes, I do have a bias to this brand, because of its specific tool functionality that they seem to do better than other brands.
Here in this model I find it to be especially true, because we actually get a chance to compare apples with apples, cheers
@@PeterKotsa The only spec I believe to be largely irrelevant in your comparison is the water resistance . The Sinn water resistance tech (even on push / pull crowns) is fantastic but this isn’t a diver.
@@user-vv1qm5dj9c You're right its not a diver but it gives superb reassurance when water activities are involved in daily life. I think the practical aspect here is a bigger draw card for me as it would suit my lifestyle choices better than the Breitling
cheers
@@PeterKotsa Thanks. Really enjoy your reviews!
YOU CAN EAT YOUR CAKE,AND HAVE IT,TOO. FFS.
Does the inner bezel not turn?!?!? I thought that was one of the engineering wins, being able to turn the inner bezel without the 4th crown and still getting 200m water resistance?
Maybe you showed it and I missed it?
You are correct, It does turn and it is a strength
Being 12 midnight whilst recording this vid, I forgot to demonstrate it
cheers 👍
@@PeterKotsa Forgot to say, great video!
Way too busy looking for my old eyes 🤓
My eyes aren't far off yours either..but I still love the look fo the watch and the Navi..😊
That is a very nice watch, I've always liked that design 🙂 But I would clearly prefer a manual wind version of one of these to have a thinner watch case. Most of automatic chronographs are too thick, it is not very elegant on a wrist to my eyes. Thanks for the review and for the explanations about that specific model 👋
My pleasure 😇
I’ve looked at this watch on wrist & the Navitimer. I can say that the Navitimer is a better overall execution for my taste & expectations.
Some might be fine with Sinn, but it feels like a degree/notch below the standard.
Would love the dark blue dial if they didn’t have the date like the limited edition light blue dial. Beautiful watch.
Lovely watch. It’s already a thick watch, so to add nearly a mm is a lot. Appreciate the water resistance, but let’s be honest, this is a dress watch for most people, and it won’t go anywhere near a beach or water. They should make a manual wind version and get the thickness down.
14.5 is just too thick...im buying navi only because they made it thiner now. if im going to the beach,i will ware my dive watch. And im pretty sure anyone lookng for 903 or navi probabaly will have a dive watch.😊
I had a previous incarnation of the Sinn. Very good watch. Top quality, but my heart yearned for the Icon Navitimer, and I flipped it. To your point the Navi movement is better, but beyond that, the watches are neck and neck. Would highly recommend to anyone.
I think the previous version of the Sinn was close to the Breitling (neck and neck) as you mentioned. With this new updated model, they seem to have made some real impressive upgrades 👍
Thanks for the review Pete, I can feel a trip to Define coming on! How much wrist time is the Dornbluth getting?
G'day Curt, maaaaate its on my wrist as we speak brother..😂😂😂
I am still grabbing it first when I open the watch box for a personal piece..💪
@@PeterKotsa great to hear mate👍👍
Incredible watch! 200m, crazy lume and Navitimer on top. This, to me, is the epitome of "one and done".
Toyota > Ferrari 😊
Thanks for the review Pete,
I'm glad to see the 903 is back!
There were rumors that it was out of production. Instead, Sinn seems to have restored the rotating bezel system by deleting the rotating crown at 10 o'clock.
Random Bob has done a face off between an older. Sinn 903 and Breitling Navitimer.
Im off to the post office this morning to send this one back..I am having some serious thoughts about buying it...
What comes OUT of the collection though?.....ahhhhh decisions decisions 😂😂
I'm just thankful we have first world problems like this. 😊
Nonetheless, I had FoMO syndrome when Peter at Define advised that the previous model 903's with the latest column wheel upgrade was sold out. Unbeknownst to him and me, Sinn was already planning to release this new model.
So my FoMO anxiety has been cured....for now 😂
@@tonyvera-cruz6422 Hahaha
My budget and knowledge of wristwatches overall I'm chosing Sinn over Breitling every time and the fact that you always put a real fine point on all of your professional content seals the deal PS I'm super glad that you are more comfortable in front of lense now just another touch of unprofessionalism imo Be well my friend and God Bless you and Yours 👍
Thanks Michael..I just got your other message as well (Professionalism) 😊😂👍
I own the Breitling Navitimer Cosmonaut 24HR B02 2022 steel/platinum and it's an awesome, while I do love the Sinn 903 ST2 they are imitar but Cosmonaut is above this Sinn. I still love the 903.
Well, the watch is... small. Breitling offers 43 and 46 for those who want to at least pretend they will ever use the core functions of the watch ie calculations. Personally I'd feel silly (and unnecessarily out of pocket) wearing something that is basically unusable for its core functions just for the sake of it looking cool, if that's the purpose they may as well just print some random decorative little numbers on the dial. But each to their own.
I had a navitimer in that style, but sold it years ago. I bought 2 new breitling the premiere b09 n the new automatic navitimer 41 in green. I am not in the buttons anymore, I am not that sporty.
While it is a great value of a watch, a total of 6 minute markers at 3 and 9 positions are cut off by the sub-dials; not sure I can un-see that. Also, wished there wasn't a date window to make the dial less clutter, like in the limited edition version.