I've been using VE 500 for the last year and i must say that it's worth the money if you have an understanding of mixing, but you have to spend a lot of time learning it. It gives you 3 separate EQ sections, which is really powerful. One for the input before the compressor (for example you can apply "low cut" here), one after the compressor and one master EQ after all the effects to tailor the output sound. Reverbs and delays sound really good, but only if you apply some "hi cut" and "low cut" on them, otherwise they will sound artificial and bad in the mix.
Thank you so much for this! I got my first ever headline opportunity coming up in November and this video was so helpful for what I'm trying to do. Much love from St. Louis!
This video is awesome! Thanks for taking so much time and care in demoing what these all sound like, and I love the side by side comparison. I love the song too
I've owned the VT-4 for about two years now and also love the fact that it doesn't have a screen and is simple to use, but still has the effects and features that I want. I think an updated version (VT-5) would be great tho!
this is such a great video - thank you for going so in depth! I've been looking for proper reviews to see functionality, and your video is BY FAR the best one - thank you
You know that Roland and Boss are the same company right? You can research which circumstances they chose to release which products under which brand, but it hasn't been a secret in over 50 years they are the same, cool vid! Great comparison!
VT4 seems so easy compared to like Voicelive3 I’d never be able to change in real time I better like the presets near that I can pull up quickly to change vocals Love when you went deep, I gotta say WTG (what the good) you did there girl ❤️ go get yourself in more good trouble girl you got this
hm, just tested the voice live a bit in a shop, I did not get into the harmonizer really - but was not too impressed. Thought there are some videos showing off the voice live extreme and it to have seems really nice effects and harmonizer
I was looking at the TC-Helicon vocal processors as well but.. The VT-4 sounds better, it also has midi in I am going to investigate using it with a midi controller
I’ve done A/B tests with the VT-4 and two TC Helicon pedals. First I tried the “Duplicator” since it had some decent reviews, but it does not have the option to select the key you’re in. Only being able to use it in chromatic mode didn’t work for me. Then I tried the “C1” since it’s been spotted on Kevin Parker’s board. It has key selection, but it stops correcting your voice as soon as you get 2” away from the mic. It’s very touchy about the strength of the signal it’s receiving. Both TC models have an always-on phantom power of 24V, which I thought was weird since the VT4 offers 48V, which is the standard as I understand it.
@@NefertitiGold The midi option is so cool, plug a midi keyboard in and you can hold up to 4 notes to create chords! Super useful and fun to play around with.
So at the risk of asking a stupid question, have you considered just using Ableton to do the vocal effects that you want to do, that way you could have them already set up with the song you are doing and have your whole set list already mapped out with all your different vocal effects that you can map to a midi controller or even just map it to your push, controller and if you are using your push to trigger song sections, like intro, verse, chorus, then you could just include your vocal effect parts in that with not much more work than you've already done. But if you are using push to trigger clips live and doing the arrangement on the fly and don't have song sections set up, you could still have a row on your Push that you set up for your vocal effects. I don't know how many different vocal effects you are trying to do in a set, but i would imagine maybe 10 or 15, you could even use another midi controller similar to push that you use just for your vocal effects and harmonies and then you can set it up and organize it to where it makes sense to you from a performance stand point. I might not initially suggest this route, but if you are already depending on a computer in your set anyways, then to me, you are already taking the risk that might sway me away from trying this route. I'm always a little weird about depending on a computer during a music set, but it's done all the time, and done well. So maybe something you could play around with. The best might even be a hybrid setup where you have some of the vox FX in Live and some on your pedal, or maybe have all of them on both, where the pedal is just a redundant version that you can move to if something seems off during a set or for any reason you need to not use Live for your vocal effects...? just my two cents on it. Live is just crazy deep when it comes to setting up stuff like this. The deeper you are willing to dig, the more it will give you. It's pretty crazy how deep Live is for performance all the way around. It's worth a shot anyways. There are these thing in Live called follow commands that if you don't already know about, you should totally check out. These allow you to tell live, after you play this loop for 8 loops, then do this....you can program how many repeats you want it to do. So if your intro has that loop playing 8 times, and then it goes to the verse for 16 bars, then stops and goes to another loop for 8 bars, you could actually program that ahead of time. A lot of people don't know about this part of Live and it's probably one of the most powerful little things that no one talks about from strictly a performance perspective. You can have multiple follow commands attached to a loop too, so you can tell it how many times to repeat with just your normal vocal, and then how many bars to switch to the FX vocal and then how many bars before you switch back to the normal vocal. if that is a little too scary to have it programmed ahead of time, because that would mean you would have to hit your changes in the same place every time (accurately, yeah i know...) , then just look at the option of triggering via a midi controller. But I will say that you will get better at it each time and eventually feel confident if you do program them ahead of time because it actually takes some of the workload (and thinking) off of you during the actual set, so that you can focus on just singing which is the most important thing to the audience. To me, I want the audience to wonder how i was doing it, i don't care if they can see me doing it in real time. Love your vibe, keep up the great work.
Thanks so much for the recommendations! I actually have performed live with Ableton Live and most recently with the Push 3 Standalone. Check this video out when you can; it’s a quick demo of my live performances ♥️ th-cam.com/users/shortsu4Z9l8dN8TY?feature=share
I thought the Roland VT - 4 performance was the best. Probably other units suffered from the “fatigue” of repeating performances, but I was really “sold” on your initial performance. Sorry I’m late to review, but the other units seemed “thin.” I was looking to buy the VE- 8 or the VE- 500, and you deterred me, since your VT- 4 performance was really enjoyable. Great luck in your career!
I just got the Roland E4. It has no preset capability, and Roland's midi implementation is really lackluster. I liked your idea of a E5 that has taken suggestions from its users for an improved user experience.
Did you ever try the TC Helicon Voice Life Stuff ... ? As am also searching for a solution, I would like to see a video like this comparing the voice Life devices (the small and the big one)
I am a big fan of the TC helicon effects for singers, I’m sure that for what you are trying to do they will work much better because I think I understand your mentality when it comes to affects. You want full control on stage and as little programming as you can have in advance. You are basically a performer and not a programmer. so you should give them a try they have much better algorithms as well, that is something you mentioned in your video. Overall grade work and keep it up! Also congratulations for a wonderful song.
I have the VE-22 for some time now.. here are my gripes. 1. VE-22 has no SD card to save settings , you cannot share settings over usb with other users. This is 2024 so I am really disappointed with this. 2. VE-22 has no global Key settings so every time you change settings the key defaults to factory which is C. 3. VE-22 has no autotune user settings as a convenience, you have to change the pitch correction to KEY mode and the speed to 10. 4. VE-22 Harmony seems to be purposely crippled so as not to affect sales of the VE-2 Vocal Harmonist.
Your passion is great! Your voice is beautiful. Why don’t you look at the Meris Mercury X. The different reverbs will really make your music pop. Guitar players are all over that pedal.
I have it, just used it for a performance over the weekend at a wedding. It's great, but complicated or complex to learn properly to leverage all of its power. I'm probably still just using 1% of its true power.
@@sigma_z I know what you mean, it has all the bells and whistles, I just dial in my tones and leave it. Just because it can, doesn’t mean you have to use it. Better to have too much power and not need it than not enough power when you do right? My philosophy.
@simonsmith2642 ha, yeah, exactly. Better be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war. You never know when you might be asked something and you need to use it for a performance.
Software is critical to set up user presets, but the first time I installed the software, it killed my laptop. Like at the Bios level. Took me days to restore. Be careful, but once it’s working, it’s good.
I definitely hear that VE-22 sounds the best, but those controls and the absence of instrumental inputs looks kinda disappointing. And I really enjoyed this video! Thank you!
I've been using VE 500 for the last year and i must say that it's worth the money if you have an understanding of mixing, but you have to spend a lot of time learning it. It gives you 3 separate EQ sections, which is really powerful. One for the input before the compressor (for example you can apply "low cut" here), one after the compressor and one master EQ after all the effects to tailor the output sound. Reverbs and delays sound really good, but only if you apply some "hi cut" and "low cut" on them, otherwise they will sound artificial and bad in the mix.
It's a necessary item once you discover it.
Thank you. I know how much time goes into doing an in-depth review like this. Really great content
Thank you so much! Comments like this make it all worth it!
Appreciate the depth of your review for each box. Earned a sub.
Thanks for the sub!
Thank you so much for this! I got my first ever headline opportunity coming up in November and this video was so helpful for what I'm trying to do. Much love from St. Louis!
STL checkin' in! Congrats on the show!
Congrats on the gig!! I hope it goes well!
I’m on my second VT-4, I’ve just grown to love its character, you can produce some truly blissful music if you give it a chance and lock in.👌🏽🖖🏽
It's a dope piece!
This video is awesome! Thanks for taking so much time and care in demoing what these all sound like, and I love the side by side comparison. I love the song too
I've owned the VT-4 for about two years now and also love the fact that it doesn't have a screen and is simple to use, but still has the effects and features that I want. I think an updated version (VT-5) would be great tho!
An updated REAL VT-5 would be fantastic. Especially if the faders have hard stops at the middle.
this is such a great video - thank you for going so in depth! I've been looking for proper reviews to see functionality, and your video is BY FAR the best one - thank you
Thank you!
You know that Roland and Boss are the same company right? You can research which circumstances they chose to release which products under which brand, but it hasn't been a secret in over 50 years they are the same, cool vid! Great comparison!
Thanks for the info!
Boss is the cheaper quality stuff from Roland.
This is an outstanding video, truly great - thank you!
Thank you for watching!! 🙏🏾🙏🏾
Great tip on the tape for the VT-4. Thanks!
No problem!
VT4 seems so easy compared to like Voicelive3 I’d never be able to change in real time I better like the presets near that I can pull up quickly to change vocals
Love when you went deep, I gotta say WTG (what the good) you did there girl ❤️ go get yourself in more good trouble girl you got this
hm, just tested the voice live a bit in a shop, I did not get into the harmonizer really - but was not too impressed.
Thought there are some videos showing off the voice live extreme and it to have seems really nice effects and harmonizer
I was looking at the TC-Helicon vocal processors as well but.. The VT-4 sounds better, it also has midi in I am going to investigate using it with a midi controller
I might look into that one next! And I agree the VT4 is holding it down lol
I’ve done A/B tests with the VT-4 and two TC Helicon pedals. First I tried the “Duplicator” since it had some decent reviews, but it does not have the option to select the key you’re in. Only being able to use it in chromatic mode didn’t work for me. Then I tried the “C1” since it’s been spotted on Kevin Parker’s board. It has key selection, but it stops correcting your voice as soon as you get 2” away from the mic. It’s very touchy about the strength of the signal it’s receiving. Both TC models have an always-on phantom power of 24V, which I thought was weird since the VT4 offers 48V, which is the standard as I understand it.
@@NefertitiGold The midi option is so cool, plug a midi keyboard in and you can hold up to 4 notes to create chords! Super useful and fun to play around with.
I actually liked the VT-4 best😂
Me too! 😅
Loved that song u did with the ve 22. ❤
The ve 500 version was horrible. 😅
Please do more videos like this!
Duly noted!!
So at the risk of asking a stupid question, have you considered just using Ableton to do the vocal effects that you want to do, that way you could have them already set up with the song you are doing and have your whole set list already mapped out with all your different vocal effects that you can map to a midi controller or even just map it to your push, controller and if you are using your push to trigger song sections, like intro, verse, chorus, then you could just include your vocal effect parts in that with not much more work than you've already done. But if you are using push to trigger clips live and doing the arrangement on the fly and don't have song sections set up, you could still have a row on your Push that you set up for your vocal effects. I don't know how many different vocal effects you are trying to do in a set, but i would imagine maybe 10 or 15, you could even use another midi controller similar to push that you use just for your vocal effects and harmonies and then you can set it up and organize it to where it makes sense to you from a performance stand point. I might not initially suggest this route, but if you are already depending on a computer in your set anyways, then to me, you are already taking the risk that might sway me away from trying this route. I'm always a little weird about depending on a computer during a music set, but it's done all the time, and done well. So maybe something you could play around with. The best might even be a hybrid setup where you have some of the vox FX in Live and some on your pedal, or maybe have all of them on both, where the pedal is just a redundant version that you can move to if something seems off during a set or for any reason you need to not use Live for your vocal effects...? just my two cents on it. Live is just crazy deep when it comes to setting up stuff like this. The deeper you are willing to dig, the more it will give you. It's pretty crazy how deep Live is for performance all the way around. It's worth a shot anyways. There are these thing in Live called follow commands that if you don't already know about, you should totally check out. These allow you to tell live, after you play this loop for 8 loops, then do this....you can program how many repeats you want it to do. So if your intro has that loop playing 8 times, and then it goes to the verse for 16 bars, then stops and goes to another loop for 8 bars, you could actually program that ahead of time. A lot of people don't know about this part of Live and it's probably one of the most powerful little things that no one talks about from strictly a performance perspective. You can have multiple follow commands attached to a loop too, so you can tell it how many times to repeat with just your normal vocal, and then how many bars to switch to the FX vocal and then how many bars before you switch back to the normal vocal. if that is a little too scary to have it programmed ahead of time, because that would mean you would have to hit your changes in the same place every time (accurately, yeah i know...) , then just look at the option of triggering via a midi controller. But I will say that you will get better at it each time and eventually feel confident if you do program them ahead of time because it actually takes some of the workload (and thinking) off of you during the actual set, so that you can focus on just singing which is the most important thing to the audience. To me, I want the audience to wonder how i was doing it, i don't care if they can see me doing it in real time. Love your vibe, keep up the great work.
Thanks so much for the recommendations! I actually have performed live with Ableton Live and most recently with the Push 3 Standalone. Check this video out when you can; it’s a quick demo of my live performances ♥️ th-cam.com/users/shortsu4Z9l8dN8TY?feature=share
Hey zoom has one I agree with you about other reviews. Keep up the good work
I thought the Roland VT - 4 performance was the best. Probably other units suffered from the “fatigue” of repeating performances, but I was really “sold” on your initial performance. Sorry I’m late to review, but the other units seemed “thin.” I was looking to buy the VE- 8 or the VE- 500, and you deterred me, since your VT- 4 performance was really enjoyable. Great luck in your career!
Thank you! I’m glad you enjoyed!
What about these compared to voicelive series?
I recently bought brand new ve-22. I like your demo song and final thoughts on the Boss VE-22. BTW what style of glasses are you wearing?
Thank you! My frames are Michael Kors 🫶🏾
Wonder if you have an A B switch between 500 and switch to the VT4 to go deep it sounded better .. honestly
I just got the Roland E4. It has no preset capability, and Roland's midi implementation is really lackluster. I liked your idea of a E5 that has taken suggestions from its users for an improved user experience.
Did you ever try the TC Helicon Voice Life Stuff ... ?
As am also searching for a solution, I would like to see a video like this comparing the voice Life devices (the small and the big one)
I am a big fan of the TC helicon effects for singers, I’m sure that for what you are trying to do they will work much better because I think I understand your mentality when it comes to affects. You want full control on stage and as little programming as you can have in advance. You are basically a performer and not a programmer. so you should give them a try they have much better algorithms as well, that is something you mentioned in your video. Overall grade work and keep it up! Also congratulations for a wonderful song.
Thanks for this video! Workflow seems great and fun on VT4. But what about reverb and Delay on VT4? Are they good?
I personally am not a fan of the reverb and delay but it’s still usable if you need it in a pinch
I have the VE-22 for some time now.. here are my gripes.
1. VE-22 has no SD card to save settings , you cannot share settings over usb with other
users. This is 2024 so I am really disappointed with this.
2. VE-22 has no global Key settings so every time you change settings the key defaults to factory which is C.
3. VE-22 has no autotune user settings as a convenience, you have to change the pitch correction to KEY mode and the speed to 10.
4. VE-22 Harmony seems to be purposely crippled so as not to affect sales of the VE-2 Vocal Harmonist.
I can agree with these points.
You should a tc helicon voicelive
I will surely buy the ve-22
Good choice!
Built in batteries would be better these days for busking and outdoor gigs, thanks
Good work, thanks❤
Your passion is great! Your voice is beautiful. Why don’t you look at the Meris Mercury X. The different reverbs will really make your music pop. Guitar players are all over that pedal.
Thank you! I'm going to add this one to a list I'm accruing
Timer saver VE500 if going Boss and need all the stuff for gigs. All the stuff.. It is in there.. Buy used. They’re built like tanks.
I have it, just used it for a performance over the weekend at a wedding. It's great, but complicated or complex to learn properly to leverage all of its power. I'm probably still just using 1% of its true power.
@@sigma_z I know what you mean, it has all the bells and whistles, I just dial in my tones and leave it. Just because it can, doesn’t mean you have to use it. Better to have too much power and not need it than not enough power when you do right? My philosophy.
@simonsmith2642 ha, yeah, exactly. Better be a warrior in a garden than a gardener in a war. You never know when you might be asked something and you need to use it for a performance.
Software is critical to set up user presets, but the first time I installed the software, it killed my laptop. Like at the Bios level. Took me days to restore. Be careful, but once it’s working, it’s good.
Great voice ❤
exactly what I needed!
Thank you for this well thought out review!🤘 How do you compare this to the zoom v6 or v3?
I haven't but I may have to look into it!
I think the vE 22 version of ur song is a hit. U should post that demo clip on the shorts media apps.
that's a great suggestion! here's the full version if you're interested: tinyurl.com/bdcw2yar
Vet 4 sounds amazing, beyond that the vet 500 was good too.
Ha, taped down with your soul 😂. Awesome. Enjoying the video so far
😂😂😂😂
Best haemony pedal for a house music singer with a high alro voice?
Jamie parks studio says hell yea
I definitely hear that VE-22 sounds the best, but those controls and the absence of instrumental inputs looks kinda disappointing. And I really enjoyed this video! Thank you!
Yeah I agree! Thanks for watching!
Is this good for singers who plays guitar as well in live performance?? Let me know please
ve-500 has a guitar input for harmonies
Great video and music
Thanks!
Srry dnt like pitch corret!
Any recommendations for a decent plugin that has lots of presets?
Maybe 🤔 like try a mininova with vocoder or a microkorg keyboard 🎹 might be fun
Try The TC Electronics Voice
thanks
It's like as if they stopped making them
Thank you sweety
very nice vocals girl. very, very nice.👍🏾
Thanks! ☺️
I have the boss ve 20. Should i upgrade?
el autotune pierde su esencia cuando porque afinas muy bien jajaja! nice video
Какая кайфовая чёрная милфа))
Less is more
Sorry, too much talking and not enough demos of the modules.
Thanks for the feedback!
"Nefertiti Gold"
pretentious hell...
And nowhere near not noticeable...
Lol I mean, it’s my real name given by birth. So it is what it is