Not only did they make 11 Fatal Fury games in 8 years, they remade the entire graphics over and over. Fatal Fury was one set of sprites, then they redrew everything for Fatal Fury 2 - Special, then again for Fatal Fury 3 - Real Bout (these two had the different Mai costume), then again for Real Bout Special and 2, and then obviously once again for Garou. That's five sets of Fatal Fury sprites, plus obviously three sets of Samurai Shodown sprites (1, 2 and 3-5), and three sets of Art of Fighting sprites, plus Savage Reign/Kizuna Encounter, and even King of Fighters got a major revision in 1996-1997 and then still redrew various sprites as they went. SNK's sprite artists in the 90's were absolutely insane.
41:14 mark: KOF and Fatal Fury/Garou are two separate universes. If it helps, in the Fatal Fury/Garou universe, the Art of Fighting story happens 10 years before Fatal Fury. Hence, the younger adult Geese Howard in Art of Fighting
1:17:00 Blue Mary, Duck King and Yamazaki will be there for sure. The 5 Characters I really wanna see back are some that have been overlooked for too long: -Li Xiangfei -Rick Strowd -Jin Chonrei -Jin Chonshu -Mr. Karate II (Bridging AoF and FF once and for all)
It all started with Fatal Fury 2 when I saw Kim Kaphwan did his flash kick on an arcade cabinet at a restaurant in Dayton, TN in the early 90s. Then Mai Shiranui happened. Definitely added onto my addiction to fighting games. It's crazy that only a certain few can see the impact on how ahead of its time SNK was during the 90s that we can see it today.
Art of Fighting’s a prequel to Fatal Fury, it takes place in 70’s or something. A young Geese even appears as a final boss in AoF 2, I guess. So, that’s why a young Ryo appearing in FF Special is a dream match, even though he’s from the same city
I'm confident we are getting mr.karate2.the teaser trailer for the world map showed kushnoods stage.it wasn't just a dojo,that was the abandoned dojo of Mr karate in aof1
I would love them to have a older Ryo in Mr. Karate 2 mode appear as a secret boss in CotW. It's Rock's story, so focusing on Garou and some Fatal Fury characters make sense, but just having one AoF character as a bonus would be cool.
My first KOF was 96 in PS1 My first Fatal Fury was in Genesis My first Art Of Fighting was in Genesis My first Samurai Shodown was in Genesis SNK is part of my childhood 💙
I was the resident SNK fan of my social circle in college. When Terry was announced for Smash my excitement was infectious enough that I got all of them hyped as well.
It's funny that with SF and Marvel being Capcom's most successful fighting series, people mis-remember their older games having dash mechanics when they didn't, and forget that Darkstalkers, Cyberbots, & Red Earth all had dash mechanics prior to SFIII New Generation.
Just to clarify since, you guys went over it a lot in the episode @Triple K.O., except for dream matches, Fatal Fury and Art of Fighting events basically happen in south town (or almost the majority of them) but Art of Fighting "ends" years before the first Fatal Fury in the game lore (in AoF 2 the true boss is a Young Geese) hence why the Ryo secret boss fight in Fatal Fury (don't remember which one) is a "Dream Match". South town was never destroyed because the KOF games started as a dream match too (with characters from various SNK franchises) that evolved in a "parallel" timeline. The King of Fighters writings in Fatal Fury keep being there because that's the original name of the tournament held by Geese in the first Fatal Fury before the KOF series was even made
These are the kinds of episodes that interest me the most. I 'm 20, I grew up with some SNK in laundromats with arcade machines, and even still I find my mind being blown with all he little details you 3 go into.
I'll always have a special place in my heart for the SNES version of the original Fatal Fury. It was my first into the series and made me a lifelong fan. Fatal Fury Forever.
41:50 king of fighters is always the name of the tournament in fatal fury, while kof games are its own universe, because while art of fighting is in south town, it is like a decade or so before the events of fatal fury, but in kof series it's around the same tine i think
Matt bringing up the arcade release of Wild Ambition got me remembering how I discovered it in the first place. - Saw commercials of the PS1 release (namely, the 3DCG of Geese putting out a bonfire with a Double Reppuuken) on Cable TV - Never really get to see Wild Ambition in any nearby PS1 Rentals, nor the nearby game stores - Eventually, join in on a family trip to a popular Carnival around New Year's eve or earlier in the year 2000 - Find two arcades in the carnival, one of them having Korean Last Blade, the other having a bootleg Fighter's History and possibly the only Arcade Cabinet of FF Wild Ambition (or basically a goddamn Hyper Neogeo 64 cab) in our country So of course I dumped a few coins in it, my only knowledge of such being what I've seen of KOF and a little bit of emulation. Shit felt a good bit clunky and I just played it badly lol. But it certainly was fascinating.
The funny thing is the separate universe thing is actually canon Geese is the original inventor of KoF, he hosts the original tournament in FF1, Krauser takes the name of the tournament and hosts it in FF2, then in FF3 there is no tournament, everyone is after the secret scrolls (which Geese has 2 of and needs the final one to gain immortality, how he survives in FF1) and FF: Real Bout which Geese hosts the final tournament after destroying the sacred scrolls of immortality, and then he dies for REAL
Also in Garou MOTW southtown just got gentrified. 2nd south is just a district in Southtown that has escaped gentrification. The "bad part of town" if you will. And no, I am not kidding.
I hope we get to see new Mai, Andy, and Blue Mary designs. Terry had one of the best redesigns of all time, so I hope the rest of these staple fatal fury characters get good ones as well (if they're in the game, but based on the first teaser where they had all of the voice clips, they are)
1:23:12 that is not it for Lao, because he is part of B.Jenet's Lillien Knights, and he always appears in intros and endins of the games B.Jenet is part of
Great episode as usual! I love CvS2’s secret boss via points system. Unlocking Shin Akuma on the PS2 version is still my most proud accomplishment in a fighting game as a 32-year casual scrub.
Real Bout Fatal Fury Special was the game that gave the updated look. RB looked like FF3 and RBS and RB2 have the updated graphics. RBS has the bad ass announcer as well. Most SNK fans are split when it comes to which game they like RBS or RB2. Also dominated mind is a port of RBS with Alfred and White.
Dashing like so many other core fighting game mechanics such as super/desperation moves and complicated super motions starts with Art of Fighting in 1992, beating Fatal Fury 2 to arcades by 3 months. AoF basically came up with all the best ideas, but completely failed on the basics of punching and kicking, which feel terrible.
When they were talking about the lane system coming back, i feel like they haven't heard of or forgot about Diesel Legacy. Also be nice to Alfred, he was the original second main protagonist.
As has been stated, Fatal Fury/Art of Fighting takes place in its own universe, separate to KoF. Fataly Fury 2 (organised by Krauser) is basically King of Fighters 91, BTW. Concerning Geese: I believe canonically it was the first Fatal Fury where he fell off the tower and "died", but he saved himself by tossing a projectile at the ground just before he impact, which is how the Shippuken was created. Geese doesn't die in Fatal Fury 3. I believe he canonically wins the tournament and acquires the scrolls from the Jin twins. Fatal Fury indeed dies in Real Bout. As in Terry's ending, Terry catches him before he can fall off the tower, but Geese shakes off his hand and falls to his death willingly because he knows it would torment Terry. And that Line Sway shit can stay dead and buried. That gimmicky crap was one of the main reasons I stayed away from FF in the arcades. Oh, and Freeman = Jeff Hardy
this episode was very much appreciated because i’m not very knowledgeable about the fatal fury/garou series and now that city of the wolves is coming out and it looks amazing my curiosity for the franchise increased. also, love the historic episodes on old arcade fighting games!
Look at this this way: Fatal Fury/AoF have no relevance to KOF in story. FF and AoF characters are merely there as guest characters in KOF because it's a crossover game. Think of it like how Marvel characters are in MvC: what happens in MvC has no result or consequence in their respective origin (from the comics). For example look at the AoF characters in KOF, they are around the same age as the FF characters, that doesn't make any sense story-wise. The reason being it doesn't have to make sense, because KOF is a crossover/dream match series. But when you look at these same characters in their respective games, they age and evolve. They're not 20 forever like in KOF, and the AoF characters are much older than the FF ones. I hope that made sense 😅.
Terrific episode! I remembered an ad I saw on the FF1 marquee the year it was released. It said, "you think you can beat and master Street Fighter 2, you haven't experienced Fatal Fury." lol.
I think overall I prefer the Fatal Fury/SNK fighting series over Street Fighter. It's just really cool to have a connected universe where characters interact with each other in familiar environments and you see them grow through the different games/series.
The Fatal Fury lane system was replaced with dodging in King of Fighters 94 and 95. Which is to say that all the mechanics in original KoF are meant to be a hybrid of Fatal Fury and Art of Fighting mechanics, but for the lane system they decided a simple dodge had the same practical effect as lane switching without bringing the game to a grinding halt. Then when Virtua Fighter added dodging, the SNK devs said that killed off Fatal Fury lane switching for good because it looked so lame compared to 3D fighting games. They'd sooner use KoF Maximum Impact movement than use lanes again.
Real Bout Fatal Fury may be the best fighting game I ever played. I’ve played a lot of Capcom fighters and played a lot of SNK stuff in my youth but never Fatal Fury.
1:12:20 No, Hokutomaru is not Mai and Andy's son, he's just Andy's student (or at least it's never stated that he is their son, maybe they'll suddenly reveal he's actually Andrew Shiranui Bogard II in COTW or something)
Fatal Fury Special is one of my favorite fighting games. The precursor KOF. I was a fan of Art of Fighting as well and when I saw that Ryo was a secret character, it blew my mind. Can't wait for City of the Wolves.
Fatal fury is one of my favorite fighting game series. I love the art style of the original games (love fatal fury 3). Love the characters especially Terry mudda fuckin Bogard! Terry is probably my favorite fighting game character. Love his moves, his voice lines, also both his looks classic and Garou are super sick. Love both of them but the classic edges out the other for me.
I’m a little sad that FF basically overshadowed AoF to the point where barely anyone talks about it. I wish AoF would get a new standalone game as well.
RE: the Fatal Fury/KOF thing around 41 minutes in: while I'm sure other people have pointed out that KOF and Fatal Fury are separate universes (with the main differences being that the AoF cast is aged down 10 years, the Garou cast is aged up 10 years, Geese kept the scrolls and never died after Real Bout, and Krauser never takes his life after FF2), it is worth noting that Geese and Krauser's KOF tournaments are very much worldwide events. It's most obvious in FF2 and the noncanon Real Bouts, where a lot of the stages are very much not in South Town (most commonly Korea or Japan), but even in a game like Real Bout 1, you still have characters like Mai, Kim, and Hon-Fu showing up from around the world. The only real difference between the KoF tournaments hosted by Geese (and Krauser) and the ones hosted by Rugal and everyone else in KOF is the 3-on-3 format.
You forgot the most important thing about Geese! He's the Schrodinger cat of gaming both dead and alive at the same time. He's 100% dead (if we ignore nightmare manifests) in FF timeline but still alive in FOK timeline. There's a YT video about that.
Dunno if this episode was perfectly timed or perfectly mistimed lol. New guide on the official City of the Wolves website dropped yesterday! I would really love the lane system system to come back! I know Justin said it was a little confusing, but watching him play Diesel Legacy, it seems like it can still work today. I really appreciate the Fatal Fury love in this episode!
As a 'play for fun' person ... Hotomaru is by far my favourite to play ... I can just smash the pad buttons with some quarter circles and have a laugh. :-)
Great episode! I just want to mention something not everyone know about that the NeoGeo CD / Saturn version of Real Bout Fatal Fury Special have a 6 min long secret ending of Blue Mary singing (Blue Mary's Blues) it's so great you all should check it out!
FF Special to fight Ryo: You're allowed to lose the fight but not the round. The game allowed you to continue if you really wanted to scrap with Ryo. Real Bout Special, RB2, and Mark oof the Wolves were my favorites.
So Hokutomaru is Andy and Mai's student. He lives with them and eats their food. In his ending, Andy shows up and tell him that he considers his training to be completed and now he must fight him. In KOF starting at 11 there are references to him, with Mai and Andy's absence in that game. Then in 14 Mai asked Andy randomly about turning the AC unit in there house off, when Andy was unsure of it she said she'd call Hokutomaru to make sure he's not wasting power.
I remember seeing Ryo in FFS in some game magazine while in Tokyo back then. Just a small picture. Finding out your new favorite game, which was already such a huge upgrade to 2, had this Dream Match was mind blowing at the time. I still think FFS is incredible. The only thing that sucks is the super motions.
Maybe this is a hot take, but Terry has always been a cooler main character to me than Ryu. He's a very relatable character, and very fun. Plus, he's also the best Dad in videogames!
I could be completely wrong but to my understanding: Art of Fighting is in the 70s, Fatal Fury in the 90s and Garou later. While KOF is a separate universe where AOF and FF characters are the same age/in the same decade. There's no Kyo and such in FF or AOF or Garou. Again I could be wrong but that's what I know of it haha
It's interesting to hear that Spiderman/Hulk is becoming a thing in MvC. Mostly because my old sub-team was Juggy/Cammy/Hulk and focused on getting the Juggy power up, tagging him out into Cammy, then abusing Killer Bee into Gamma Crush to really abuse the Gamma Crush glitch with powered up Juggy punch assist in back. I assume the Spiderman/Hulk teams are doing much the same with Maximum Spider.
With all the re-telling of FF1 and pocket universes, and FOK distinct timeline and such, the next FF game should be a multiverse crossover and/or time travel like in MK to solidify the perfect timeline once and for all.
I kinda feel that SNK had a bit of a "Pseudo 3D Fighting Game" era, where they experimented with 3D game mechanics like 3D movement and dial-a-combo strings to stay relevant and/or to try attracting fans that were into Virtua Fighter, Tekken, and other 3D fighting games of the time. Fatal Fury 3, Real Bout 1 and Art of Fighting 3, I feel, were designed to play (and, in the case of Art of Fighting 3, perhaps even look) like 3D fighting games on a system that was not capable of rendering 3D graphics. After those games, I think SNK realized they just couldn't continue in that direction and just went back to what they did best, developing 2D games.
Hokotomaru is indeed student of Shiranui Style and disciple of Andy (he appears in his ending) Mai was never much a complain in Garou since most of the classic roster was in KOF games and that basically why they renew the roster because classic characters felt too much burned thanks to KOF series
i dunno if its rly that big of a jump to bring back the lane system a lot of charecters have some kind of doge move which is simmiler to the line system allready i know its not EXACTLLY the same but still
Love the focused episodes on older games!!!!
I was literally just telling my girl this
Mr win quote!
Wubba Wubba
WE'RE IN THE PINK TODAY, BOY!
JESUS
"What do you call a guy with broken arms and legs floating in a pool? Bob" - Terry's win quote vs Bob
Not only did they make 11 Fatal Fury games in 8 years, they remade the entire graphics over and over. Fatal Fury was one set of sprites, then they redrew everything for Fatal Fury 2 - Special, then again for Fatal Fury 3 - Real Bout (these two had the different Mai costume), then again for Real Bout Special and 2, and then obviously once again for Garou. That's five sets of Fatal Fury sprites, plus obviously three sets of Samurai Shodown sprites (1, 2 and 3-5), and three sets of Art of Fighting sprites, plus Savage Reign/Kizuna Encounter, and even King of Fighters got a major revision in 1996-1997 and then still redrew various sprites as they went. SNK's sprite artists in the 90's were absolutely insane.
41:14 mark: KOF and Fatal Fury/Garou are two separate universes. If it helps, in the Fatal Fury/Garou universe, the Art of Fighting story happens 10 years before Fatal Fury. Hence, the younger adult Geese Howard in Art of Fighting
1:17:00
Blue Mary, Duck King and Yamazaki will be there for sure. The 5 Characters I really wanna see back are some that have been overlooked for too long:
-Li Xiangfei
-Rick Strowd
-Jin Chonrei
-Jin Chonshu
-Mr. Karate II (Bridging AoF and FF once and for all)
It all started with Fatal Fury 2 when I saw Kim Kaphwan did his flash kick on an arcade cabinet at a restaurant in Dayton, TN in the early 90s. Then Mai Shiranui happened. Definitely added onto my addiction to fighting games. It's crazy that only a certain few can see the impact on how ahead of its time SNK was during the 90s that we can see it today.
Mai Shiranui awakened something in me
@@blizz44 On Nippon Ichi.
Art of Fighting’s a prequel to Fatal Fury, it takes place in 70’s or something. A young Geese even appears as a final boss in AoF 2, I guess. So, that’s why a young Ryo appearing in FF Special is a dream match, even though he’s from the same city
I'm confident we are getting mr.karate2.the teaser trailer for the world map showed kushnoods stage.it wasn't just a dojo,that was the abandoned dojo of Mr karate in aof1
I would love them to have a older Ryo in Mr. Karate 2 mode appear as a secret boss in CotW. It's Rock's story, so focusing on Garou and some Fatal Fury characters make sense, but just having one AoF character as a bonus would be cool.
@@Brandonweifu Yeah, that would be really dope. Hope you're right.
@@emperormegaman3856 Agree 100%
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My first KOF was 96 in PS1
My first Fatal Fury was in Genesis
My first Art Of Fighting was in Genesis
My first Samurai Shodown was in Genesis
SNK is part of my childhood 💙
Ditto for me but for KoF it was 99 on ps1
You guys must be nearing 40 just like me I'm guessing? Because same
Fatal Fury Special will forever be one of my favorite fighting games. I played it quite a bit on the SNES in the early-mid 90s.
Fuck the Arcade version tho
I was the resident SNK fan of my social circle in college. When Terry was announced for Smash my excitement was infectious enough that I got all of them hyped as well.
This is my series, over all the others that I have sentimental attachment to. This is the one I followed more. Animes certainly helped that.
It's funny that with SF and Marvel being Capcom's most successful fighting series, people mis-remember their older games having dash mechanics when they didn't, and forget that Darkstalkers, Cyberbots, & Red Earth all had dash mechanics prior to SFIII New Generation.
Just to clarify since, you guys went over it a lot in the episode @Triple K.O., except for dream matches, Fatal Fury and Art of Fighting events basically happen in south town (or almost the majority of them) but Art of Fighting "ends" years before the first Fatal Fury in the game lore (in AoF 2 the true boss is a Young Geese) hence why the Ryo secret boss fight in Fatal Fury (don't remember which one) is a "Dream Match".
South town was never destroyed because the KOF games started as a dream match too (with characters from various SNK franchises) that evolved in a "parallel" timeline.
The King of Fighters writings in Fatal Fury keep being there because that's the original name of the tournament held by Geese in the first Fatal Fury before the KOF series was even made
Then why is it second south Town, whu happun to the original?
These are the kinds of episodes that interest me the most. I 'm 20, I grew up with some SNK in laundromats with arcade machines, and even still I find my mind being blown with all he little details you 3 go into.
I'll always have a special place in my heart for the SNES version of the original Fatal Fury. It was my first into the series and made me a lifelong fan. Fatal Fury Forever.
Fatal Fury Special on the SNES has a soft spot in my heart!!!
RBS! The most entertaining one on one fighting game I've ever played and my absolute favorite ^^
41:50 king of fighters is always the name of the tournament in fatal fury, while kof games are its own universe, because while art of fighting is in south town, it is like a decade or so before the events of fatal fury, but in kof series it's around the same tine i think
Here in Brazil, at the 90s, the Real Bout was reeeally popular.
They are still doing tournaments to this day, both Real Bout and Real Bout Special
Matt bringing up the arcade release of Wild Ambition got me remembering how I discovered it in the first place.
- Saw commercials of the PS1 release (namely, the 3DCG of Geese putting out a bonfire with a Double Reppuuken) on Cable TV
- Never really get to see Wild Ambition in any nearby PS1 Rentals, nor the nearby game stores
- Eventually, join in on a family trip to a popular Carnival around New Year's eve or earlier in the year 2000
- Find two arcades in the carnival, one of them having Korean Last Blade, the other having a bootleg Fighter's History and possibly the only Arcade Cabinet of FF Wild Ambition (or basically a goddamn Hyper Neogeo 64 cab) in our country
So of course I dumped a few coins in it, my only knowledge of such being what I've seen of KOF and a little bit of emulation. Shit felt a good bit clunky and I just played it badly lol. But it certainly was fascinating.
With Lou besides being in first contact, he became a member of B.Jenet's Lillian Knights
The funny thing is the separate universe thing is actually canon
Geese is the original inventor of KoF, he hosts the original tournament in FF1, Krauser takes the name of the tournament and hosts it in FF2, then in FF3 there is no tournament, everyone is after the secret scrolls (which Geese has 2 of and needs the final one to gain immortality, how he survives in FF1) and FF: Real Bout which Geese hosts the final tournament after destroying the sacred scrolls of immortality, and then he dies for REAL
Also in Garou MOTW southtown just got gentrified. 2nd south is just a district in Southtown that has escaped gentrification. The "bad part of town" if you will. And no, I am not kidding.
I hope we get to see new Mai, Andy, and Blue Mary designs. Terry had one of the best redesigns of all time, so I hope the rest of these staple fatal fury characters get good ones as well (if they're in the game, but based on the first teaser where they had all of the voice clips, they are)
The Realest Podcast Bout Fighting Games.
1:23:12 that is not it for Lao, because he is part of B.Jenet's Lillien Knights, and he always appears in intros and endins of the games B.Jenet is part of
Great episode as usual! I love CvS2’s secret boss via points system. Unlocking Shin Akuma on the PS2 version is still my most proud accomplishment in a fighting game as a 32-year casual scrub.
Hell yes love these episodes
Real Bout Fatal Fury Special was the game that gave the updated look. RB looked like FF3 and RBS and RB2 have the updated graphics.
RBS has the bad ass announcer as well.
Most SNK fans are split when it comes to which game they like RBS or RB2.
Also dominated mind is a port of RBS with Alfred and White.
Duck King is unironically one of my favorite fatal fury characters
I literally listen to the podcast and I also watch the video. I love you add gameclips!!
Dashing like so many other core fighting game mechanics such as super/desperation moves and complicated super motions starts with Art of Fighting in 1992, beating Fatal Fury 2 to arcades by 3 months. AoF basically came up with all the best ideas, but completely failed on the basics of punching and kicking, which feel terrible.
When they were talking about the lane system coming back, i feel like they haven't heard of or forgot about Diesel Legacy.
Also be nice to Alfred, he was the original second main protagonist.
As has been stated, Fatal Fury/Art of Fighting takes place in its own universe, separate to KoF. Fataly Fury 2 (organised by Krauser) is basically King of Fighters 91, BTW.
Concerning Geese: I believe canonically it was the first Fatal Fury where he fell off the tower and "died", but he saved himself by tossing a projectile at the ground just before he impact, which is how the Shippuken was created.
Geese doesn't die in Fatal Fury 3. I believe he canonically wins the tournament and acquires the scrolls from the Jin twins.
Fatal Fury indeed dies in Real Bout. As in Terry's ending, Terry catches him before he can fall off the tower, but Geese shakes off his hand and falls to his death willingly because he knows it would torment Terry.
And that Line Sway shit can stay dead and buried. That gimmicky crap was one of the main reasons I stayed away from FF in the arcades.
Oh, and Freeman = Jeff Hardy
Loving the amount of Geese respect in this episode! Boss of all bosses!!
this episode was very much appreciated because i’m not very knowledgeable about the fatal fury/garou series and now that city of the wolves is coming out and it looks amazing my curiosity for the franchise increased. also, love the historic episodes on old arcade fighting games!
An iconic fighting game franchise and the face of SNK.
I love it !
I remember playing it back in the early 90s on the Sega Genesis.
Look at this this way: Fatal Fury/AoF have no relevance to KOF in story. FF and AoF characters are merely there as guest characters in KOF because it's a crossover game. Think of it like how Marvel characters are in MvC: what happens in MvC has no result or consequence in their respective origin (from the comics).
For example look at the AoF characters in KOF, they are around the same age as the FF characters, that doesn't make any sense story-wise. The reason being it doesn't have to make sense, because KOF is a crossover/dream match series.
But when you look at these same characters in their respective games, they age and evolve. They're not 20 forever like in KOF, and the AoF characters are much older than the FF ones. I hope that made sense 😅.
Terrific episode! I remembered an ad I saw on the FF1 marquee the year it was released. It said, "you think you can beat and master Street Fighter 2, you haven't experienced Fatal Fury." lol.
As a Hokutamaru main,my soul hurts hearing this conversation..
(Love these talks though,keep itnup guys xD )
I think overall I prefer the Fatal Fury/SNK fighting series over Street Fighter. It's just really cool to have a connected universe where characters interact with each other in familiar environments and you see them grow through the different games/series.
I've played every game. Them characters do not grow for shit.
does anyone know what max was talking about at around 7:29 ? I know he didn’t wanna get into it on the podcast but now im curious what happened.
The Fatal Fury lane system was replaced with dodging in King of Fighters 94 and 95. Which is to say that all the mechanics in original KoF are meant to be a hybrid of Fatal Fury and Art of Fighting mechanics, but for the lane system they decided a simple dodge had the same practical effect as lane switching without bringing the game to a grinding halt. Then when Virtua Fighter added dodging, the SNK devs said that killed off Fatal Fury lane switching for good because it looked so lame compared to 3D fighting games. They'd sooner use KoF Maximum Impact movement than use lanes again.
1:30 this character is a part of B. Jenet crew in Garou.
I had a Neo Geo CD back in the day and RBFFS was one of the games I played the most in my life.
Man, I've missed Fatal Fury... really hope COTW kicks ass. Also, I hope the character selection theme is a remix of the old one
4:57 Well that explains why Tokido was reacting to a video of the best comebacks in the FGC and stopped once MK11 came on lol
“Get serioussss!” -Terry
found a used copy of Vampire Hunter for the Saturn, love the podcast!
Found it a week ago and been binging every episode!
Real Bout Fatal Fury may be the best fighting game I ever played. I’ve played a lot of Capcom fighters and played a lot of SNK stuff in my youth but never Fatal Fury.
1:12:20 No, Hokutomaru is not Mai and Andy's son, he's just Andy's student (or at least it's never stated that he is their son, maybe they'll suddenly reveal he's actually Andrew Shiranui Bogard II in COTW or something)
Super hype for the SNK booth at EVO Japan this weekend
Fatal Fury Special is one of my favorite fighting games. The precursor KOF. I was a fan of Art of Fighting as well and when I saw that Ryo was a secret character, it blew my mind. Can't wait for City of the Wolves.
Fatal fury is one of my favorite fighting game series. I love the art style of the original games (love fatal fury 3). Love the characters especially Terry mudda fuckin Bogard! Terry is probably my favorite fighting game character. Love his moves, his voice lines, also both his looks classic and Garou are super sick. Love both of them but the classic edges out the other for me.
Oh hell yeah i've been waiting for a trip to Southtown!
Consider FGC on TV, magazines and online spaces for another episode.
I’m a little sad that FF basically overshadowed AoF to the point where barely anyone talks about it. I wish AoF would get a new standalone game as well.
RE: the Fatal Fury/KOF thing around 41 minutes in: while I'm sure other people have pointed out that KOF and Fatal Fury are separate universes (with the main differences being that the AoF cast is aged down 10 years, the Garou cast is aged up 10 years, Geese kept the scrolls and never died after Real Bout, and Krauser never takes his life after FF2), it is worth noting that Geese and Krauser's KOF tournaments are very much worldwide events. It's most obvious in FF2 and the noncanon Real Bouts, where a lot of the stages are very much not in South Town (most commonly Korea or Japan), but even in a game like Real Bout 1, you still have characters like Mai, Kim, and Hon-Fu showing up from around the world. The only real difference between the KoF tournaments hosted by Geese (and Krauser) and the ones hosted by Rugal and everyone else in KOF is the 3-on-3 format.
Oh yeah also for the record, Fatal Fury takes place in their release years, Garou takes place in 2006, COTW is implied to be a couple years after that
Fatal Fury Special is the first on I remember at a takeaway shop. And then played Fatal Fury on my Mega Drive (Genesis)
Fatal Fury is awesome!
You forgot the most important thing about Geese! He's the Schrodinger cat of gaming both dead and alive at the same time. He's 100% dead (if we ignore nightmare manifests) in FF timeline but still alive in FOK timeline. There's a YT video about that.
Dunno if this episode was perfectly timed or perfectly mistimed lol. New guide on the official City of the Wolves website dropped yesterday! I would really love the lane system system to come back! I know Justin said it was a little confusing, but watching him play Diesel Legacy, it seems like it can still work today. I really appreciate the Fatal Fury love in this episode!
As a 'play for fun' person ... Hotomaru is by far my favourite to play ... I can just smash the pad buttons with some quarter circles and have a laugh. :-)
Great episode! I just want to mention something not everyone know about that the NeoGeo CD / Saturn version of Real Bout Fatal Fury Special have a 6 min long secret ending of Blue Mary singing (Blue Mary's Blues) it's so great you all should check it out!
Really learning about the deep Fatal Fury and Lao lore
I want desperately for Rick Strowd to come back. He was such a cool character and being only in two games is a crime.
And Duck King, gimme Duck King.
FF Special to fight Ryo: You're allowed to lose the fight but not the round. The game allowed you to continue if you really wanted to scrap with Ryo. Real Bout Special, RB2, and Mark oof the Wolves were my favorites.
the ps2 box art of mvc2 was telling us spider-man and hulk had synergy the whole time lol crazy work
I want the lane system to come back at least in a mode or setting in City of the Wolves! I also really wanna see Rick Strowd and Duck King again!
So Hokutomaru is Andy and Mai's student. He lives with them and eats their food. In his ending, Andy shows up and tell him that he considers his training to be completed and now he must fight him. In KOF starting at 11 there are references to him, with Mai and Andy's absence in that game. Then in 14 Mai asked Andy randomly about turning the AC unit in there house off, when Andy was unsure of it she said she'd call Hokutomaru to make sure he's not wasting power.
I remember seeing Ryo in FFS in some game magazine while in Tokyo back then. Just a small picture.
Finding out your new favorite game, which was already such a huge upgrade to 2, had this Dream Match was mind blowing at the time.
I still think FFS is incredible. The only thing that sucks is the super motions.
Maybe this is a hot take, but Terry has always been a cooler main character to me than Ryu. He's a very relatable character, and very fun. Plus, he's also the best Dad in videogames!
Great!
I could be completely wrong but to my understanding:
Art of Fighting is in the 70s, Fatal Fury in the 90s and Garou later.
While KOF is a separate universe where AOF and FF characters are the same age/in the same decade. There's no Kyo and such in FF or AOF or Garou.
Again I could be wrong but that's what I know of it haha
It's interesting to hear that Spiderman/Hulk is becoming a thing in MvC.
Mostly because my old sub-team was Juggy/Cammy/Hulk and focused on getting the Juggy power up, tagging him out into Cammy, then abusing Killer Bee into Gamma Crush to really abuse the Gamma Crush glitch with powered up Juggy punch assist in back.
I assume the Spiderman/Hulk teams are doing much the same with Maximum Spider.
1:07:41 you’re thinking of RB2. RB2 calls itself FF7
Wild Ambition Ending Theme 👌
lady bunny is from honnor of kings
Justin Wong with the fresh haircut 😎
With all the re-telling of FF1 and pocket universes, and FOK distinct timeline and such, the next FF game should be a multiverse crossover and/or time travel like in MK to solidify the perfect timeline once and for all.
Doesn’t AoF take place in the late 70’s-early 80’s? The dream match title would make sense then.
Rick Stroud and Richard Meyer for City of the Wolves pls!
And of course, Mai, Blue Mary and B. Jenet!
it took years to sink in for me that you can't dash in the alpha series, in my confusion think I may even once have repaired a "faulty" joystick
Lol this video came out the same day they made the COTW website, great timing
Isn't Lau part of B Jenet's pirate crew?
I kinda feel that SNK had a bit of a "Pseudo 3D Fighting Game" era, where they experimented with 3D game mechanics like 3D movement and dial-a-combo strings to stay relevant and/or to try attracting fans that were into Virtua Fighter, Tekken, and other 3D fighting games of the time. Fatal Fury 3, Real Bout 1 and Art of Fighting 3, I feel, were designed to play (and, in the case of Art of Fighting 3, perhaps even look) like 3D fighting games on a system that was not capable of rendering 3D graphics. After those games, I think SNK realized they just couldn't continue in that direction and just went back to what they did best, developing 2D games.
Stage interactions are one of the best ideas they ever put in fighting games. They just need to make balance them and not make them 2 op
Rick Strowd for City of the Wolves 🐺
been playing jojo asbr recently and to be frank i have an addiction to using dragon punch on wakeup.
i'm a century late but Diesel Legacy has a line system, but maybe y'all were talking about something different
It took Matt 8 minutes to mention Biofreaks, new record!
Hey put respect on Wolfgang Krauser’s name. In the lore he was stronger than his brother when he was introduced. Great episode by the way guys
Fatal Fury 1 was called the King of fighters competition
Wild Ambition supposed to be a 3D Real Bout Fatal Fury remake
Hokotomaru is indeed student of Shiranui Style and disciple of Andy (he appears in his ending)
Mai was never much a complain in Garou since most of the classic roster was in KOF games and that basically why they renew the roster because classic characters felt too much burned thanks to KOF series
i dunno if its rly that big of a jump to bring back the lane system a lot of charecters have some kind of doge move which is simmiler to the line system allready i know its not EXACTLLY the same but still
If I see that in City Of The Wolves, Andy is still dodging Mai's love intentions, I'm gonna smash a window
All Praise Lord Ssapo!
Guys need to play Fatal Fury 2 on the Genesis since its busted fun
Also a fun story, I had Garou Mark of the wolves Dreamcast in my hands at a Best Buy in 2002, and I didn’t buy it 🤦🏾 it was only $20 😖😢
I'd love to see aged art of fighting characters eventually show up in cotw geese has been in both so why can't ryo and co?