Jim Vance's new grave marker - Hatfield &McCoy feud - Possible killing location - West Virginia
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I saw a question about how we got the stone up there. We first called the land company that owns the property. We requested permission to use a road on their property. They were gracious enough to let us use it. A couple helping with the setting came from MI with an ATV. They hauled it up the mountain and around the top, then back down the hollow where the grave was located. We could have carried it but thankful we didn’t have to. There were 15 or so people whom walked up the mountain to help clean the area. Two weeks later we did the dedication. Kind of like a funeral. There is no easy way to access the cemetery without going across Mr Spence’s yard. It would be nice if the land company would make a road up to it so people could get to it.
Thanks Terry!
Leo, I am Terry Vance. I along with a few others installed the military headstone for James Vance after 2 years of search his military history. He joined the 34th in the fall of 1862 but was in an earlier group before being changed to the 34th Batt VA Cavalry. He served under VA Witcher for the duration of his time. They disbanded around Christiansburg, VA April the 10th 1865., the day after Lee surrendered to Grant. Jim was never in the Logan Wildcats. He was in the 34th the whole time. He was on his way home and taken prisoner along with 3 cousins, Meekin Vance Sr, Meekin Vance Jr and Jackson Vance. This info found in the national archives. They were taken to Cumberland, MD. When Asa McCoy died James was in Narrows, VA. Asa died most likely from frostbite because his whole unit was disbanded in Cattlettsburg, KY just a few days after his last battle in Marion, VA.
Asa’s wife applied for a military pension and if you read it you will find his wife lied. She testified that he died trying to go back to his unit but they were disbanded, nothing to go back to. She never said anything about a certain group killing him or mentioned any names. After the Union Commander questioned her he deem her tale untrue and denied the pension. She also got married that very day.
The old headstone for James wasn’t moved. I set the new behind the fieldstone so as not to disturb the small granite one. I used a compass to line the new stone up to the east. We had about 14 people dressed for his headstone dedication which lasted about an hour. The 34th Battalion BA Cavalry camp 1863, 22nd VA Infantry and the John McElhanny 840 camp did the honors for Jim. I would never have undertaken such a venture had I not spent the last 2 years researching Jim’s life.
Thanks Terry , we appreciate the information so much
You are welcome
You should send this info to the ones who think their **** don't stink...sorry Leo and Heather but those 2 really put a burr under my bonnet
I’m Mark Minter, great gr grandson of Moes Adair, also a member of the the 34 VA Battalion Cavalry, company C, formerly, the MCDOWELL partisan ranger’s, there’s a marker to a action this company was in Marked, in Welch , . It lacks in clear information, however I’m glad there’s a marker in the county, that is almost completely skirted on the war history, great area for, Guerillia tactics. I thank you and all others who are doing so much for our true history,SCV. And UDC , OCR, and others. Jim is mentioned in the regimental series, by Scott Cole, in the 80’s, it’s one of the better reached works. My Grandfather had to add a letter to our name, some used it, some did not, after the break up in Christiansburg, he went on, to NC , stayed with others, around General B, Duke. Came back to McDowell country, in July, signed a parole, in Charleston, in the back of the book, there’s an order signed by General US Grant, says in a paraphrase, Any former, Black Flaggers, can not return to , Va, Md, Ky, NC , TNN, but may go to any of the 48 counties of the New State of WestVirginia, My Grandfather was already settled in Bartley Hollow since 1857, w his bride Sarah Mullins, it was a brand new county born of old Tazewell. He and his brothers are buried on Shortridge, all 3 side by side all born in Ky, there father was John A Adair, 8 th Governor of Ky, John was born in Southwest GA in Adairsville, a very interesting life, his brother James married into the Cherokee’s and living with them 40 years, the name is still large among “ the western band. Anyway, they’re there , in the mountains, bc they all stuck together , these brothers, and generations, 7 now, John Jr, Art, William, 30th Battion Sharp Shooter’s, my research shows, that this was a Artillery battery, Not what most suspect. And Moses, left @ door of US congressman, @ the time , John A Adair’s Whitehall Ky home, purchased from Mr Senator Henry Clay, No he was always a Democrat. As far as I know,it was all lost. There Father, after some time from his death in LA , was moved to Frankfort Ky.
Point is, we of this regiment have a history as rich as the James and Younger’s and maybe more so, the regiment was given a Flag by General JEB Stewart, for action on 3rd day of Gettysburg. As I’m sure you know. And they was at Brandy’s Station, action at Fleetwood hill, Under General,” Grumble “ Jones of GladeHill, and after the Yankees stopped killing us that way, they had to maintain in many other way’s. 158 years and there great crusade, still blaming our people for it’s, programs that have not, given complete peace to the truth. It was a thing that turned a Republic in to an Empire. It’s the frist time in the history of the said union that the constitution was disregarded in too many ways, it was a horrible thing, Mr Lincoln did,and today, he is in the eyes of the civilized world, bc of propaganda, a “ saint “ . Lol 😝 it’s a lie. And I hope there will be, a reconning, and justice to the fact’s. If people knew enough of the facts, Mr Lincoln, is very much in line w Adolph Hitler….. I have a feeling, I’ll be very censored for this, and perhaps not even posted. I’m not hating anyone, we are Americans, but some don’t, even recognize, we fought against a tyranny, and yes we lost. Not slavery, that was a issue, that could only at the time be legally settled by the States. Juneteenth 😂, Texas wasn’t even a State, until 1870, it was a military district. The “ Yankees completely rejected in the 1830’s any proposal of what the British was doing. And who was it who proposed it? Virginia by God, and Kentucky, Delaware and Maryland. It’s all facts. It didn’t go with Mr Loyd Garrison’s “ Higher Law, he offered to publicly burn the constitution. And this so called higher law” killed a lot of humans, and worse of all babies died!
Yes BLACK FLAG ☠️to that!
Terry Vance I salute you sir o7 thanks 🙏 for your honor! Truth dose not go away.
I finally realized who you remind me of ,Bob Ross. You have a very caring heart and a voice I can listen to all day. Thank you for your videos!
Leo, with you every step of the way. Jim Vance is just part of southern history and thank you Leo for the reporting of what facts you’ve found. I’d say Leo that even though some of us aren’t southerners we country people all have some hillbilly in us of some sort, keep the stories coming
Keep asking Mr Dewey for that history!
Thanks Rick!
I was watching a video a few minutes ago before this one, and man he was basically calling you out about not having truthful history on Mr. Vance. I just watched this video and I don’t know what video that cat watched but nowhere in this video did you say any of your information was 100% factual. You literally said that people need to take the stories and research with a grain of salt.. I thank you kindly sir for telling the stories like you know them and for “keeping it real” (see what I did there?).
He tries to use us for views, he has no real content but calling people out, and yes I see what you did there! lol🤣
I’m from Pennsylvania,but I find these videos so interesting. I love history. All history. You do a fantastic job of bringing these people and places to all of us. I’ve been telling my husband we need to visit West Virginia.😊
Awesome! Thank you!
West Virginia is my favorite state and I live in Pa also, right next to the WV line!!!😎💪🇺🇸🙏
Proud to say I am related to JIM and W.Anderson Hatfield I will have to check that place out thanks Leo .
Every time I see or read something about the "fued" I think of my late wife when she got serious about digging into her geneogy. She was a missouri girl born in Joplin. I remember her coming into a room and saying, "Hey, I;'m related to the Hatfireld and McCoy fued families". I said "Which side?". She said "Both of them".
Its pretty common, its such a small area with enormous families
Hey there, Leo. Thanks for bringing us this story. Whoever put the stone up on Jim Vance's grave, bless them.
It is a shame that there are untold thousands of grave sites out there that no one has a clue about.
You're right, nobody knows about the personalities of the people involved in the fued or exactly who did what. And that leaves us to just guess about what happened.
In my opinion, if the movie was anywhere near accurate, both families would have been much better off if they would have strung up Jim Vance and Perry Kline and just called it even. But that's my opinion on how Hollywood told the story, and Lord knows they wouldn't tell anything but the truth.
Anyway, thanks again for going back up the mountain to show his marker and the story.
Thank ya'll for all ya'll do to bring these stories to us. And all the travelin, either by car or foot.
Thanks for watching us!
It's wonderful that someone honored Jim Vance with soldiers stone. Being a Yankee, I still honor him for his service. He fought for what he believed. It was a sacrifice every soldier who enlists. We're all American.
Thanks for an interesting story on Mr Vance. He lived his life to his fullest.
Hey American, what do you mean, when you say “Being a Yankee,” ? I wonder what all that, little mild comment, actually mean’s? Or do you really know? I’m wondering, politically speaking? Or is it, like during the French & Indian war, when that term was for all of the 15 colonies, yes I typed 15not13. However, I’m just wondering about how people sling, there adjectives around, there “ handle “, or Identity’s, like “ Rebel “ when the 13 colonies “ formed independent State government ‘s, and gave notice to King George III the British occupation armies, referred to all of them as “ Rebel’s” . So I’m asking why you did identify yourself as “ being Yankee “ is your birth place? Is it, traditional by your “ upbringing “ or is it, your, thinking, the Federal’s was “ the right side “ of the invasion, and the secession was illegal? And the failure to use the law, the Constitution, obeying its statutes, was justified, bc it was some Great Crusade to end chattel Slavery, in the slave state’s? You probably should, read more of Mr Lincoln, I suggest you read his frist Inauguration speech. And remember,that he suspended habeus corpus , please forgive my spelling, I am dyslexic, but it’s not the question, American. Do you feel as a “ being Yankee “ it was right to make war on Americans? Or that call for 75,000 volunteers, was nessasary? To save the Union? 😅 650, 000 deaths ? And not To mention the war of attrition that Mr. Grant gave orders to Sheraton in the Shannondora valley hunter in Sigel and what Sherman did across Atlanta Georgia with no army to stand against him. You don’t think babies died from starvation because your mom was dry? Show Mr. American, you may understand while I was just asking you this question? I’m a USN combat veteran, and I took an oath long ago, for people’s right to be, ignorant. It’s a choice, but not a disease, it can be cured. Do you know Mr American, that 5 northern born men were Major General’s @ The battle of Chickamaga? Do you use the adjective, of “ being Yankee “ bc you feel belief’s or understanding something on emotional levels, that “ every soldier “ scarified makes him worthy of honor? Bc I understand honor comes from truth, and that arrives from fact’s. 2+2= 4 every time, and if a child we don’t want upset, and we want to “ honor him , to be, oh say, a “
Peace maker “ to not argue for truth, and no matter then if 2+2= 5 the child says w a big pretty grin, and we certainly don’t want to hurt feelings. Right? Emotional level, do you understand? I’m trying to help you. And understand your comment. It’s interesting. So we can allow them to be wrong! That’s the “ God given “ Right “
Of every American, citizen, but it doesn’t say anything about honoring wrong! So example, Himmler probably, did what he justified as honorable. But in the annals of civilized war, it doesn’t add up…. Back to kiss , 2+2= ? Remember I only wish to know, why you lightly, mildly, commented “ Being Yankee “ with a capital letter to boot,😅? No disrespect, to your adjective. I can use both of those terms in different ways, Rebel & Yankee. But I’m wondering , If you know how you, have labeled yourself? Now you can get angry over not much, that’s your right and choice, but it’ll not win” anything,and it’s just more ignorant behavior. Not picking being sincerely honest, bc you do mean well, anyone on a certain level can see that. However you can do better, you can go further, and higher, with your Spirit, not that like preaching, Nope … I mean like 1776 or 1861, and I assure you I can add, but, back to my question. Can you please give a good factual answer to the question? I’d like to know. Honestly others do it, I wonder what it really means to them?
My mom is from West Virginia and I was told we were Yankee's because we fought with the North. So it could be related to a geographical area or a political belief. During the Civil War, weren't the two sides called the rebels and the yanks?
I live in middle Tennessee and we have a lot of family cemeteries just like the one Jim Vance is buried in. I know of one near my family’s farm that has graves going back to the Revolutionary War period. I haven’t been to it in years but there were still some legible stones dating back to the Revolutionary War period.
Thanks for the videos. I hope to get to WV sometime to see some of these places in person.
So interesting.
Friendliest people in the USA are in southern WV and eastern KY! Come on up! 🐻🦌🦝🐍🐗🐷🐐🐝🦅🐟🦆🐢🐠🐰🦊🦖
@@suzybailey-koubti8342 Thanks. I might just do that some time.
Born and raised in Logan County, WV. Love my home state. Thank you for all you do
Another great history story! Heather and you never fail to give us awesome videos & stories. Also, Congrats on your certificates. I know they're well deserved.
Thank you!!
Its all bittersweet, but you talking about these folks and sharing with us as you walk and talk... well its just peaceful and comforting knowing there are those of us who think about those who went before us and care. Thank you Leo, much appreciate
Leo I like how you tell the story, and not take sides. I watch other channels and they are always correcting things they find. You only tell what you know, and keep neutral.
I appreciate that. Thank you.
Hey Leo, you're back to your natural surroundings, climbing the mountains. You go to some of the most beautiful places! Thank you for taking us along to visit Jim's grave.
Thank you. It is a beautiful area.
I love hearing stories that has history behind it and Leo I love hearing the truth. Heather don't mind telling the truth either and I will listen to the stories over and over. I love you guys. Keep them coming
Thanks so much!
I'm descended from Asa. Oral tradition in the McCoy family about what happened to Asa was he was home from the war with frostbite. Jim Vance sent word that he was going to kill him for being a Union Soldier. He hid out in a cave and a boy named Mose would bring him food. Jim Vance and Cap Hatfield followed the boys footsteps in the snow one day and found Asa. They did shoot him that day. This came from Larkin to Jake to William Sr, then to my dad William Jr.
Cap wasn’t born until 1864, so he was not present for Harmon’s assassination.
I remember coming up here this Winter with y'all..its still gorgeous and I think I know who ya talking about thinkin they know everything....I like when you give us the knowledge to make our own conclusion...not their way always, anyhow this is what we Hillbillys crave...love y'all ❤
I came just to hear your chuckles😂 All kidding aside, I am totally enjoying your foot walk through history of the Hatfields and McCoys. I appreciate you setting the records straight whenever possible. Sharing a view of these beautiful woodland family cemeteries is just plain everything I always wanted to do. Hearing about the memorial of Jim Vance, well that was just straight up awesome!
I just get a little itchy when I watch you walking through the woods; ticks and buzzys love my blood type!😅
I love all your videos. They are very interesting and educational. Thank you. 😊❤
Hello Leo. You have become one of my favorite historians. Thanks for this simply awesome video. If you can find Mrs. Thurmond's grave Leo, you can anyone's grave. Wouldn't it be great if someone would do a documentary on the Hatfield's and McCoy's that is accurate? I love Kevin Costner, but did not like him in the movie about the feud. I am unsure if any of the content was accurate. I chuckled when you were talking about getting to the gravesite via car. I know what you mean about directions "hillbilly style." I cracked up at your example. Thanks again for this great video. By the way, the music and photographs were great.
Hi Judy. Thank you very much. Yeah, they called it a docudrama... lol It's about 50/50 near as I can tell.
Hi Leo, this is Bridget from Southern California originally from Nashville Tennessee wanting to say to you that I recently discovered you and your channel and I am enjoying it thoroughly. I clicked and subscribed and look forward to your upcoming videos. I will always be a southern girl in my heart❤.
thanks for joining us!
Well at least they got a date my 12th great grandpa was mad at his son for turning Quaker and all he got was a round rock with his initials on it. Thank you for sharing and beautiful country side
i scribed long ago va country man 82 here i watch all your great vids seen 4 tonight thanks
Thank you very much Leo, and Heather, for another great video. You are right about taking a lot of these stories with a grain of salt. Some of them have undoubtedly been told so many times over the years, things have changed or twisted around, and the accounts are no where near what they were originally. You flashed on the video, that Jim's wife was rumored to be buried somewhere in the cemetery. I wonder why was she not buried beside Jim? 🤔 Do you have an opinion on where the actual site of Jim's killing is?
You are certainly blessed, for having beautiful country to live in.
Thank you very much again, have a great day. 😊
She may be buried beside him who knows really. I don't have a opinion on if the buried where he died is true, I just go with its possible lol
I am related to the Hatfields my great great great great grandma nam was Sara Hatfield . And I really enjoy watching the videos u put out thank you because it is places and stuff I don't get to see I would love to come see it all . Thank you
@ Hillbilly Files Y'all Videos make me miss home so bad!! Keep up the good work.
My great great whatever grandmother was Sarah Vance that goes back to Abner, she was in the Buchanan Co Va area
I discovered your channel today. I am kin to the Hatfields and want to find out as much as I can. My Great Grandmother Cora Salyers Gross Blankenship was born in 1900 in Kentucky on border to West Virginia. She was married to Isaac Gross. He was working on Railroad and train derailed and killed him. She later married John Blankenship. Cora bought and ran a boarding house. I think this was in War,WV. Cora's daughter is my Grandmother, Golda/Goldie. My Grandmother married Earl Jennings. His father was Chris Jennings. They had 4 kids. My Dad was born in '41. WWII ,then Earl went to war. Goldie moved to TX with kids when my Dad was a toddler. She made several trips back to WV. Once was to put a headstone down for her mother Cora. Goldie passed away in '08@ 88 yrs old. We have a family of hunters because of them.
I really appreciate what you do bringing us these videos about the Hatfield’s & McCoys. Great job from an Okie.
Hmmm , yeah . Lots of thoughts on this . But also , maybe . If he was put in a box and into the back of a wagon . How many MPH could they go on those roads back then ?! 1 MPH , maybe 2 MPH ?! Then , if it is 13 miles one way around the Mtn . It could take 6hrs ONE way , just to get to where they could go up from the side you started this vid on . But "IF " there was a path from this side where he died . And even if they only could do a 1/2 MPH . They'd be at the site in 2hrs ... But , I sure do NOT know how they got Jim to his grave site !? Great video Leo !
That was like my paternal ancestors cemetery - about 30 people we know of, with only one marked (my g-g-gfather), on top of a mountain in the middle of a national forest. We actually had his SCV Iron Cross Dedication ceremony a few years ago (he died in 1920). The FS did take up the flags just to protect them from vandalism, but it was a cool experience. These old cemeteries are fascinating.
To me ,sir he was a man that cared mightily for his family. He also had a beast inside him of a fiery kind , that he controlled till someone unleased that beast that protects his own. To me our young men need to learn how to be men like him , intimation and loving to those who earned it. You earned either love or respect or the beast of protection.
Well said!
You Guys are awesome, I'm hooked. Love WV with the history, Very Beautiful state. From your neighbor in KY.
Glad you enjoyed it
Great! Video Leo .me and my kinfolks live up in the Appalachian mountains of Kentucky in Perry county we also have aot of unmarked Graves from one ridge to the next in our mountains and also a family plot! What we call cold mountain ridge..we also have a lot of moonshine steals that are scattered out throughout the hills of our 102 acres of land that was our grandfathers all the way back to my great-great-grandfather's they're never messed with we consider them markers... My Aunt Sally and Uncle Lacey are up in age!! They also tell us stories about the hatfields and McCoys very interesting sitting around the bonfire after a hard week work in the sawmill listening to the stories of our history! And our ancestors... And playing some good old instruments...we love y'all's videos Leo. From one Appalachian to another God bless y'all My brother....
Love watching y’all.
Leo historically speaking the most accurate rifle long-range shooter available at that time the sharps creedmoor rifle could not have made a shot that long. It is still a very fascinating piece of history of West Virginia folklore, I personally think the West Virginia department of education should make many of your semi documentary available in the classrooms of elementary students on through high School. They separate fact from fiction n folklore, keep up the good work and God bless you and your family 🙏
I truly enjoy your channel..come up here in central Pennsylvania and do some videos, we are called, hillbillies and ridge runners..lol..but there history here for u guys to discover..be safe and many blessings on ur travels
BAM... Just hit that subscribe button for ya! Can't believe I haven't till now, watch most if not all your vids anyway. They appeal to my inner hillbilly 👍lol. Ole Jim got him a nice headstone. He must have remained in the thoughts of many over the years. Good deal. Unfortunate for all those with no name. Thankfully you paid they a visit as well. May they RIP. Enjoy your vids, love WVa, love the people. Keep up the hard work, or should I say walk lol. 👍✌🇺🇸
Going to see my 2nd great grandfathers grave in North Dakota a Civil War veteran, on Thursday
I found him
I like watching your Hatfield and McCoy videos 👍
What I loved about West Virginia…even though it’s a mile to walk it’s 10 miles to drive. Lol 28 miles in 45 minutes. Up, down and around 50 curves. So glad we didn’t see any of those spiders when we were there. Yuck! Sorry Leo but no spiders are cute or pretty. It’s very cool that Jim Vance finally got a proper grave marker. Thanks for the video.
Literally buried in the place where he fell could mean not only the exact same spot but in the area, city etc. At that time it was common to use the term "in the/this place" to refer to the general area, I.E. city, town, county, sometimes even a the state. My local county history written in 1908 uses this term a lot. Many times I've thought the author was referring to the city because the city was the topic of the chapter, but farther on I can infer that this place meant the county or vice versa. For instance it might read such and such city business owner came to this place in 1850. While the chapter is dealing entirely with the city proper, this person resided well outside city limits so this place means the county.
Thank you a another great video.
Really enjoy yalls show ! It's cool to be walking the same trails as the famous old timers ! Hillbilly for ever ! Keep up the great work . 👍
Oh and the dates don't matter it's what's in the dash matters .
Thanks a lot!
I personally only know what history tells, but like you say, we can only take things with a grain of salt. Because we don't know the full truth about what happened. None of the people involved are here anymore to be a sounding board to get the straight facts from. Most of us who don't live in the area, can only speculate about what happened. I love your channel because it brings me personally what I seen on tv and books to real life. Not saying that they a fictional people, but it has given me a better perspective of the real people involved. Not all who were killed or injured in the feud were bad. From what you have said I have drew a conclusion that it started over a misunderstanding and kept going until people died.
Thanks so much!
Hey Leo. I just became a new patron 🎉🎉❤️
I saw that. Thank you!! We'll put it to good use.
Thanks Leo
Really good video keep them coming
My friend
Thanks, will do!
My Mother madian name is Farrell from Custer SD, I'm currently researching my Farrell ancestors where they came from. ❤ love watching your channel.
Very cool!
There is a good chance you are a relative to the Ferrell’s of VA and WVA. Jim Vance was a Ferrell proved by dna. You could be a distant relative to him.
Being from Wv myself that rock formation ,next to the creek ,was someones still site.
Great Video great history you tell it so well keep up the great work y'all let me know if you run up on the West Virginia yahoo
Thanks! Will do!
"You can't get there from here. You got to go way over there". I'm guessing there was once a spring at the piled rocks. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
Most of my KY ancestors are buried up a hill with only field stone markers.
The story about Jims land & what happened to it right after his death is interesting. Supposedly a New York writer started adding the crazy to his reporting of Jim before he even arrived.
Jim was nothing like the movie.
HEY Leo, you huffed and puffed like I do, 😂😂😂😂😂. LOVE YOUR VIDEOS AND COMMENTARIES
Glad you like them! I was puffing a little this time. Getting out of shape on these easy drive up sites lately. lol
Hello Leo and Heather
I would have never got anywhere growing up if I ever had REAL directions. Hahaha!
I remember the video when you found the grave of Jim Vance over at Thacker, Leo. ❤
Yeah. You just need to know where that big brown dog lived 20 years ago, and you're good to go... LOL Thanks for watching, btw.
@@thehillbillyfiles hahahahahahaha!
My grandma was third cousins to the McCoys. This guy came to her home an got information for from her he wrote a book about the Hatfield an Mc.Coys so if anyone knows about a book about them please let me know I was at my grandma house when the guy came to her home cannot remember his name..
It was in the late or early in the 89 an 90s.
Great video!!
Glad you enjoyed it
Another great video
I appreciate that
Can you guys do two different videos one on what the The mini series got right and then another one on what they Got wrong I Bet they got a lot wrong. I know so many people that have watched that show and think That most of what's on there is historically accurate but i'm not so convinced. I'm a descendant of the hatfields too and I would like to see what you guys would say.
It would take months to do it, but that is a very cool idea! The miniseries was about 50/50. They called it a "docu-drama", which explains a lot... lol
@thehillbillyfiles That's okay, we're patient, we can wait, It might be good to break it up into 3 parts since the series was in 3 episodes. Or more if you need it. 😊
@thehillbillyfiles I related to Martha Jane Hatfield 1863-1943 she was my 3rd great grandmother. Her parents were Lloyd Walter hatfield 1841-1907 and Malinda Hatfield 1845-1910. My real name is Kristin
Thank you for huffing and puffing up the mountain for me. 😂
I'm ok with the idea of my grave being lost to time once anyone who knew me has gone.
Thanks Leo another great video just want to say from one wva hillbilly to another hee haw and love what you and Heather do be careful and God bless
Awesome! Thank you!
But no sneaky snakes in the winter .
I’ve been trying for years to see if my family is related to the Vances in that region. My dna is all over WV, KY, OH & TN. Do any of the Vance’s following this thread know if you have blood in Missouri?
Its sad that this country wants to get rid of the South memorabilia like statues and the confederate flag! Yes the south had some faults but these are memories that our ancestors lived through which is real.hostory of how divided our country can be! Most of my ancestors that were in the Civil War was Yankees but 2 were rebels simply because they lived across the road from their brothers which happened to divide the west Virginia vs. Pa! All my ancestors were moners and farmers back then and wanted no part of it but was drafted and told either they join the side they were picked for or get hung for treason!! So the brother swore forced to fight opposite of one another they jad no choice!
I don't suppose you recorded the GPS coordinates of the cemetery, did you?
I would not place that information out there. Our society is basically trying to destroy all the history of this country they don't like.
I do on some of them, but not this one. The trail crosses 2 pieces of private property.
Did they bury Jim Vance where he was shot?
Close.
Hay Leo. Just curious what you use or do about the ticks. They are horrible here in Pensyltucky.
Deet helps a little, but not that much. The little dark deer ticks are nothing. The light brown ones are vicious!!!
Lighter fluid is what mommy used on us as kids for ticks. She “de-ticked” us when we had been up ⬆️ n the mountains playing. You ever seen how a mama monkey de-ticks her babies? Mommy would sit us down on the back porch and so through every hair, it seemed, and then go in our ears, nose, neck, arms and legs. She would pull the tick off and douse them and our arms and legs with lighter fluid. She’d spray us off with the hose and bathe us in a tub in the yard with bleach water! Then she’d light the lighter fluid and burn up the ticks. We used to love pulling them off our dogs and burning them alive or poking the blood out of them if they were big and squashing them with a big old rock. True WV Logan County/Mingo County Hillbilly with 1/2 Eastern Kentucky blood! ❤😊
Use vicks salve ...you wont have a tick on you!
My family is related to the Hatfields and not mistaken we are related to the Mcoys also. The feud is over and it needs to be left in peace. That happend a long time ago. And it is sad and disheartening that so many lives were lost over nothing, and fighting over a pig well that was just an excuse to fuel the feud. Lets respect all those who died and let them RIP. One day i will visit the area in West Virginia i was born in this State, so i want to meet ny family.
They weren’t truly bad sir. People lived a lot different back then. They would fight at the drop of a hat if you insulted their family name . And didn’t give a damn bout everybody’s feelings like today. We’re true pioneer men, real men. Had to be. Lawmen were few and far between. And when you could find one he was probably crooked .
I'm related to the hatfields.
Love your videos and somedays I do hope to visit the area and visit the sights I am almost 63 but I will put on my hiking shoes and bring my hiking stick.I remember watching the earliest Hatfield and McCoy movie when I was a kid just like Bonnie and Clyde they were interesting. Newton Co Ark where my father’s family settled had feuds from the civil war too. It’s really hard to understand but just like the Bible says.
I hope you make it down! You will love it
Nice new marker RIP JAMES.
Leo, i wish i could join your channel. I don't have any money! I would if i did! I love you and Heather so much!!! ❤❤
No worries! watching and liking really helps and its free! thank you for the support =)
@@thehillbillyfiles thank you so much! If i ever get on social security i will donate!!!
@@melindaschluter1669 That's ok Melinda! we appreciate you watching us
Leo, where would you move to in West Virginia if you were moving there from Texas?
Tough question. I like Mingo County, but it's my home so I may be biased... lol
@@thehillbillyfiles Mingo seems wonderful. I need to come visit.
1.13 miles as the crow flies, but man doesn't fly, he either goes over or around obstacles. 😅
A Lot of the Old School Bible Baptists believe that you lose part of your Soul to a Photograph or commit the Sin of Vanity by taking your Picture. The Amish and some Mennonite Groups believe the same. American Indians and some Orthodox Jews also believe in that. It all goes back in many Religions to the Time of Jesus' time on Earth. "Thou Shalt not make any Graven Images". I'm the same way. It's better to be safe and Please the Lord.
Is our future vice president J.D.Vance related? Just curious
Yes. We just did a video on that. :-)
Lol about the directions. I'm from the south and we tell people how to get to certain places by landmarks. Or an ole water oak, railroad tracks, swamps and all. Pretty good directions too
Yea I figure it's universal
Ain't it funny how we're products of where we were raised? I'm a Texas boy my people settle this part of the country I could not handle being Boxed In by all of those trees like that if I can't see 20 me something's wrong can I get feeling real antsy
What is that tune? I know it but can't remember the name.
The colonel is name of the song, its played on a few youtube channels, its just a youtube free royality song
You can get turnt around real easy in here some thick woods
That's cool camping
Can you tell me what books are the most truthful? Thanks
Hello! thanks for your support =) I haven't read them all of course, but it seems that the most accurate was wrote by Dr. Coleman Hatfield, Cap Hatfield's grandson, who has first hand knowledge he shares. Its called The Feuding Hatfields & McCoys , you can finds it on amazon
Altina Waller and Tom Dotson’s books are the best, but you’ll need to read some of the earlier ones first (Jones and Rice).
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I'm not crazy, just special lol. We all have quirks. Squirrl is telling you to move on, you're waking her babies lol
Yes the dead can't speak. Just love your laugh Leo. SH
Thank you!
Are the Chamberlain brother kin to the Hatfields or are they just friends of the family?
I dont know who they are, I tried to search and got no results for Chamberlain brothers
I bet it's a humid day there!
And hot. lol
The Hatfield and McCoy museum said that Leo is wrong when he said Ellison Hatfield was a victim well Fred is a McCoy so he's going to be bias
We don't care what he thinks., have you not noticed everyone is wrong but him?
@@thehillbillyfilesyes, Leo, that cat is a legend in his own mind
@@thehillbillyfilesBrandon Kirk always gets me tickled talking about that cat
Great job Leo on these videos
@@wvbygraceofgod5508 yea he breaks it down dont he lol
Can anyone visit this grave Leo?!
Yes I assume so, just need to tell the guy that lives there
NOW.. WAS JIM VANCE RELATED TO THE HATFIELDS BY MARRIAGE OR BY BLOOD?
He fought for Virginia. Sic Semper Tyrannis
I wanna know how they got that tombstone up there lol
cart? lol Im not sure, good question
It wasn’t easy. Lol fortunately someone came from MI with an ATV snd carried up across private land. It was about a 1 1/2 miles going that way. I have photos of everything thing we did.
@terryvance3805 lol man I would love to see those
I don't care for the TH-cam channel the Hatfield and McCoys museum
Maybe he was buried where he fell and then was moved to the cemetery.
possible!