INFAMOUS 2 (Zero Punctuation)
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This week, Zero Punctuation reviews Infamous 2
Fast-talking Ben "Yahtzee" Croshaw reviews a new game each week in this animated series that combines informed critique with cutting humor. Watch the next episode of Zero Punctuation a week early, only on The Escapist.
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That evil ending though...
"I have to try, right?"
No you can't quote anything or we'll start crying again
"I know"
Half as long...
+Martin Purcell Twice as bright.
+Robert Blaze HOW DARE YOU ALL
It's okay, Yahtzee. I also cried during the Good Ending.
come back when you've regrown your y chromosome!
come back when you've regrown your y chromosome!
+CraftKitty double post.
+PJ Staubach yee, fucking google, get your shit together
I played this a long time ago, what was the good ending again? I remember Cole does some sort of "selfless act" but I don't remember
The evil ending almost made me cry because
SPOILER ALERT!!
You are forced to slowly and brutally kill Zeke. One of the saddest video game deaths ever.
the only time ive ever cried in a game was because of that
not that I care but best practice is to hide the spoiler below the "read more" button
@@nelly5954 I know it's hypocritical to say this but this was 7 years ago
I enjoyed it. Zeke was a dipexcrement.
@@dorianofdeath5470 Nah it's good, I would also slap me from 7 years ago lmao
I love the Infamous series, they did a good job overall and deserves so much more credit.
Only played festivals of blood (partially) it was great until the forced user created content started.
Cone Dron I believe that the user created content wasn't a horrible addition, but didn't exactly help the game at all.
***** Sup bro.
***** shit bro
Sucker punch gets a lot more recognition for the sly Cooper trilogy on the ps2 which are in my opinion better games but they do deserve more credit for infamous.
Watched 15 videos from this guy already.... Why... cant... I... stop... WATCHING!!! O_O
I know the feeling, i came to this channel from watching jimquisistion, but this is hilarious as well, escapist rocks!
IKR
***** No I still watch Yatze or whats his name because his videos are short, funny and straight to the point
Exactly how a good comedy series should be like and not dragged out
I've literally watched 3-7 of these videos a day for the last 5 days.
Its now hard for me to get to sleep without this.
My nitpicky thing about the game would have the be the FINAL good vs. bad "choice." I had played as a "good" Cole for the entirety of the game, but when I was presented with the final evil vs good option to either *(SPOILERS, KIDS)* kill all conduits or kill all non-infected, I thought how interesting it would be for Cole to sort of do a heel turn and go evil right at the very end. Unfortunately, the "choice" wasn't a choice at all seeing as you weren't allowed to choose the "evil" option unless you were all ready evil on the karma meter.
Instead, if you wanted to do the evil option and you were all ready "good" on the karma meter, you had to back out of the cutscene ,therefore removing any tension the scene would have had, as well as basically ruining the final big choice for you only for you to basically just go around breaking shit and being a dick for no good damned reason until your karma got evil enough for you to go back, restart the cutscene all over again, and choose the evil option which by this point you all ready know is going to be. It just really ruined the ending choice for me.
Exactly. Infamous 1 let you choose to kill everyone for power even as a hero and doing so auto booted to you full evil for doing so but that's the thing it still let you choose even if it locked your karma afterwards.
@@metazoxan2 also in the first game the evil choices actually made the game somewhat easier, activating the raysphere to become more powerful for example, whereas in the second game it just makes no sense. Nix is bad kuo is good except for the final mission.
I tried to do a similar last second turn with my Evil playthtough and was similarly disappointed
The evil option ending in Infamous 2 is the sad one tho
it should have been canon. good is sad because now we'll never play as Cole again :'(
they're both sad imo
the evil ending was going to be canon but the fans prevented that
+Andy Montanez No, they used the ending that the trophy count indicated was more well received.
Fantasy Connect Exactly. Mor people went with the good ending
Thank you, someone said it. Many games that give you choices seem to have that problem, i always go in like "ok, im gonna make the choices i would in that situation" and then im given a choice like "theres someone locked in that room who will die very painfully and slowly. Do you save him, or go in there and remove each and every one of his bones with an x acto knife and then watch him die. I want choices that challenge me, not ones that make me go out of my way to be "evil"
+actionvolcano I wouldn't say it's the best, or even ideal, but Undertale might be a good example of what you're looking for there.
+Drakin Kovar I agree! Undertale has a nice system when you choose who lives or dies!
So far, the only challenging part, for myself at least, was when said character asked of you to be a 'man of your word' and save the people by activating said micguffin or risk saving the 'Conduits' and lend the world into a 'power' state, ruled mainly to those having powers. That was interesting to me and I agree that giving the karma options was simply not needed because it twisted Cole into something that we could call as not being character of his will.
I think these systems forget in their good vs evil ideas to remember to add WHY a player/character would make these choices.
Extra Credits summed that up perfectly with two buttons on a wall labelled GOOD and EVIL that the player can press at their leisure.
The Infamous series really is one of my favourite series go games (the firs two i mean). The bad ending actually got me going, when i had to kill Zeke. Really the first game's moral choice system actual made sense though. In the first game you weren't saving the world, you were just a shmuck who was trying to survive and find food in a city with his best friend and girlfriend. the evil choices were easier and better fro you and you're friends, but they hurt others, while the good choices helped others but lessened your chances of survival.
The way you described the moral choice system sounds Exactly like Mass Effect, except Mass Effect handled it better. Renegade is not evil, renegade doesn't play by the rules, doesn't care about morals or ethics but just gets shit done no matter the cost. Paragon means doing everything morally and encouraging peace above all else.
While I don't like Binary moral choice for the most part, Mass Effect handles it the best of any game I've seen, since both paths are rewarding in different ways.
the end of ME1 is a good example, sacrifice hundreds to save a few people or fuck those few people to get the job at hand done
Taggart Yeah exactly, ME played with the two paths to great effect. Fallout is another series that does it very well, your choices are still categorized as either good or evil. But all that affects is how others treat you depending on what morals they have.
And the ending doesn't completely change depending on your choices, every choice is represented in the ending, it doesn't just force a good or bad ending on you.
Binary moral choice can work but it's very difficult to get right.
i loved the endings to the fallout games, there's something satisfying about the text screens telling you how you've changed the area with how you've acted and your choices, it was the one thing i didn't like about the ending of ME3, they didn't give you closure on everything you did, i spent years getting invested in this beautifully crafted game world and they didn't tell me what happened to it or the characters i gave a damn about after the war ended. though the first fable is still one that i kinda adore, it's not the best done moral system but it did make me feel like a part of the world and was the first time i ran into the mechanic
Taggart I don't think that every RPG needs to follow that formula though, Mass Effect was always very nontraditional.
That kind of closure would have been kind of stupid for Mass Effect in my opinion, I don't want to see a slide that says: "Zaeed retired on Omega" or something like that.
Fallout was about the world and how you interact with it, Mass Effect was about your squad and how you interacted with them. I don't really think an epilogue would have fit ME's style.
***** They barely handle it better honestly.
Gamer girls with daddy issues.... Why does that put a big fucking smile on my face...
+Azraelseraphim because it's offensive and that makes it funny
btw what does that mean? Gamer girls have daddy issues?... so random
It was the good ending I had issue with. Both endings were asking you to do horrible things to a specific set of people, the good ending was just saying there was a chance that less people would suffer for it, and not even a proven chance at that; it was just asking to go on blind faith when the bad ending was a proven working result. Also, all the characters who were for the good ending had selfish reasons. Party A was afraid of his own death and Party B didn't care who lived or who died as long as she got revenge. It's not like Party C who supported the evil ending was being any selfless, but I didn't like that the game tried to hide behind fake reasons to make a choice "good." Honestly, the only Person I felt any sympathy for was The Beast because he actually had good intentions and I'm sure if someone took the time to explain that there was a second option, he would've listened.
Still one of my favorite games of all time, but the ending is severely weak imo.
I think that it would be a good idea if you did the good ending, it turns out the ray sphere doesn't work. All conduits are dead, and everyone has the plague. It would be interesting if you got the bad ending for going the good path.
I don't call you brother just cause I like the way it sounds.
Yeah, he's right about the rewards for being good/evil. Being good gets you ice powers that include a icicle jump that you really get used to and get extra height for your glide. While being evil and getting fire powers gives you a "phoenix charge", as I call it. You can actually hurt people with it, but it comes along as very situational, not like the icicle jump, which can be used pretty much all the time and never lose its usefulness.
I was really moved by the good ending, but the evil ending... when you have to kill Zeke... god... I seriously came close to crying. Overall I LOVE this game! Everything about it is just spot on. It's a sandbox game for having fun yet also an emotional and cinematic experience with awesome actors properly shown through great facial animations. (remember infamous 1's facial animations O.O) I would recommend this game to anyone.
Best part about the evil ending is that you don't have to do it, yet it really feels like you do
@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 Bro I wrote that comment 8 years ago.
so he liked it... i think
He's never really clear...
according to his second son review he really liked it
It was one of his favorite games of the year actually.
It can be measured whether he liked the game or not, by his willingness to spoil the plot, and he avoided spoilers like I do my landlord, so yeah he did.
Five years later but still.
@@KicsiSzabi222 Or let me just point out how he literally says he´s having a hard time finding things to criticize, so yeah he did.
Ten months later but still.
Alpha bolt: I've got nothing much to say asides from its sort of nice to have but drops off really quickly
Pincer bolt: early game you either go with alpha bolt or this, I always go for this because it does a lot of damage due to you shooting 3 bolts at once, the only downside is it's slow fire rate
Artillery bolt: early game you switch alpha bolt (if you decided to use it instead of pincer) to this because it's fucking obvious why, it's alpha with unlimited range
Magnum bolt: no matter what you where using before, you will switch to magnum bolt, it's got super long range, fires the same rate as pincer but does like 100 times more damage, super overpowered for almost the entire game and super fun to use if you can land head shots consistently
Skull bolt: a little gimmicky but sort of cool to land head shots with, not as good as magnum bolt, but good overall
Bolt stream: my personal favorite, if you go all blast shard crazy and pick up every one that you see, you have a fucking later of stun lock doom on your side, only downsides are energy consumption and the path diversion at long range
Scythe bolt: weird, but effective enough, great for big crowds of enemies and can just mow through hordes of militia after they are weakened by something else first, kind of slow fire rate but fun nonetheless
Alpha blast: short range but has a big area to boot, nice and fun to spam
Detonation blast: why the fuck does this even exist? You would expect some kind of giant explosion and super devastating blast. Nope. It's explosion is embarrassingly weak and it takes way too long to explode, the jump boost you can get from it is way too small and is not rewarding at all. My least favorite thing in the game.
Gravitation blast: fun to use and a nice throwback to the first game, and you can get tons of exp for blast and bolt spamming
Punch blast, fixes the short range problem of the other blasts but has a smaller area, but that doesn't matter, it's basically the unupgraded shockwave from infamous
Shatter blast: it may take longer to use and it may use up more energy, but holy shit is it worth it, spam this into a crowd of enemies and **BOOM** all of them are dead, super deadly and super fucking fun
Nightmare blast: I'm not a fan of this, sure stunning enemies for a long time is fun, but I like to blow some dudes back throw them off of buildings. Niche but kinda stupid
Alpha grenade: the second you get this you feel like 20 times more powerful, nice and a cool power trip early game
Sticky grenades: it is absolutely hilarious watching people fumble around when you stick them, the extra range is amazing and the stick mechanic is super useful
Double grenades: I'm gonna say it right now, best evil grenade upgrade, throw out two for the price of one and destroy large crowds
Ice grenade: one of the most overpowered things in the game, freeze some bitches and show everyone who is boss
Napalm grenade: I don't like this one as much as I should, I find it weird and wonky and not satisfying
Cluster grenade: **HOLY SHIT IS THIS AMAZING** YOU THROW OUT ABOUT 9 SYICKY GRENADES FOR THE PRICE OF ONE, I am SO glad that they brung back grenadelets from infamous
Alpha rocket: I find the unupgraded rocket to be one of the best rockets, if you're looking to save exp, don't upgrade rockets
Redirect rockets: you may think that they bring back the redirect rocket from infamous but made it even more powerful, well yes and no, sure the rockets are more powerful than megawatt hammers sure, but the redirect rockets move in circles in the air. *Big* circles. This is a bad upgrade, hard to land and you almost always have to rely on the redirect gimmick
Tripwire rockets: uhhhh... I don't really know about this one, it's good and bad, the tripwire effect can either give you way more accuracy or it can just barely hit a wall and be a huge waste
Sticky rockets: I've got almost nothing to say about these. Weird, gimmicky, and kind of fun
Freeze rockets: the most overpowered shit in the game, if you have good accuracy you can just blow through ground like a hot knife through butter
Hellfire rockets: ... I don't even know, good for big crowds and choppers but kind of wonky
Kinetic pulse: this is some weird shit, you can use electromagnetism to pick up objects and throw them at enemies... Even cars
Lightning tether: one of the last things you get in the game but it is super useful and really fun to pretend like you're Spider-Man
Ice launch: one of the best things in the game and is fun to pair with lightning tether if you use the quick select menu
Firebird strike: basically, this is hydrox, and smoke dash in second son is Oreos.
Frost shield: it's like polarity wall from infamous, but worse, unupgradable so you can't increase its size and you can't get extra electricity from it.
Spikers: no. Just... No. Do not get these, you end up killing your own minions on accident and they do almost no damage
Ionic vortex: this is extremely fun to use and is super useful. **SUMMON THE ALMIGHTY THUNDER TORNADO**
Ionic freeze: super effective on flat areas and fun overal
Ionic drain: the worst ionic ability, if only they made the are of effect bigger then it would be cool
Ionic storm: it's the storm from infamous but it uses up an ionic charge and not your entire fucking energy bar
Melee: better than InFamous's melee and its cool to chain up attacks. The only downside is that you can't kickflip enemies into oblivion like you could in infamous anymore
Megawatt drain: it's nice to have. Faster drain is always better
Ionic charge 2: nice to have a second ionic charge on standby.
Gigawatt drain: same as megawatt drain but even faster
Ionic charge 3: super useful to have and has no downside
Precision enhanced: I like precision and having enhanced zoom is amazing to have
Blast shard sense: yes. Fucking YES,
knowing where the nearest blast shard is at all times no matter what is the best shit ever
Civilian safety: sort of nice to have civilians take less damage from your attacks
Bystander bonus: getting 1 exp from killing a civilian is weird but stacks up over time
Group heal: it just saves time, that's all
Bolt chain: nice to have and is kinda useful
Bolt recharge: this+bolt stream+decent accuracy=unlimited energy super laser of death
Bio leech overload: super fun to have and is a nice throwback to karmic overload from the first infamous.
Overall.
Good upgrades: some of the most overpowered shit to ever exist
Evil upgrades: decent but mostly niche
gasmoxian slug you have too much time
Possibly one of my favorite games of 2011,
Superior to its predecessor.... and just plain fun, a fast paced sandbox and I loved the level design, an actual focus and emphasis on traversal and destructive combat...
I used to think the Firebird Strike was worthless until I found out that you could just mash R2 to chain it together allowing you practically fly short distances depending on the amount of shards you've collected. If you combine it with Bio-leech Overload then you can travel pretty far, pretty quickly.
Holy shit really?
what you said about the evil options in moral choice systems making no sense at all is EXACTLY my problem with mass effect,
paragon, the good option, gets you loyalty, favors, money, stuff, discounts all the while being space jesus.
renegade, the bad option, gets your team killed, everyone hates you, everyone dies, you waste resources you need and threaten everyone even if they are helping you all the while sounding and acting like a space nazi douche.
it should have been that either option gets you pretty much the same stuff but with different endings and rewards, like you can still get loyalty with pure renegade because you convince them to join the dark side or you sacrifice some random ncp for more money and stuff, on the other side some paragon options make no sense, terrorist that was planning to kill billions? let him live because killing is wrong...really? that is my 1 and true problem with mass effect.
You have a point, but to be fair you can definitely succeed as a renegade. Your teammates get killed in ME2 if they're not loyal, but there's always a renegade way to complete a loyalty mission. Likewise, there are groups/individuals that approve of renegade actions/like you better if you're renegade.
what did youtube do to itself, it now loads 1080p ads, that lag for 1 ficking minute right before the skip button comes up, and i need to load out the site, just so i can write a fucking comment, it's really fucking annoying.
My phone does that at 720p
I played this as soon as it came out, so I know I'm pretty late to be saying this, but I felt that the evil ending was the tearjerker. I feel like I'm a minority in this as friends have said "good I'm glad he's dead" but I thought the little talk before and everything leading up had far more weight. I do agree the other ending has the sacrifice aspect and is sad in its own right, but the other one just hit me more.
I kinda agree. Also, what, your friends are actually that Cole’s dead.
Wonder if he'll like Second Son? At the very least I'm sure he'll enjoy the fact Delsin has more of a character than Cole did but he might hate his character but he might enjoy the new powers
Delsin more of a character than Cole? Well, Cole is supposed to be neutral for the whole "Moral choice" system. So, he's either a saint or a warlord. But before that he wasn't a street punk or thug or jerk. He was just a college drop-out average joe. I've only seen a little bit of Delsin from the trailers but he seems like a Jerk. Better to have Cole's predictable personality than to have an unlikable personality.
***** Care to put some examples down?
R'Kdairos Zo'dhyac He's likable because he's funny. Infamous isn't a comedy.
R'Kdairos Zo'dhyac True, but like Siddiq said, this isn't a comedy. Characters written like jerks are never likeable in games, they come off more as, you know, assholes.
***** Thank you Khan! You proved some good examples there. If I could I'd share my pizza with you.
I.. I'm free. But at what cost to the TH-cam comment section? What has Google done?
Go on tetris block Make those OCD people Pay for putting you at the top instead of the bottom to make some points MAKE US PROUD!
Hey, you're not a T shaped block. Piss off!
the powers you get from nix and kuo are hardly even relevant once you get lightning tether, which is faster, goes further, and costs no energy.
whereismybike well ice jump helps a lot getting around and the other one I forgot about
whereismybike That's near the end of the game, though. You get the fire/ice choice a little before the midpoint, and you get and use those powers a lot.
What I hated with the ending was how hypocrytical it felt.
I mean the "Hero" ending is basically "sacrifice yourself and EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD WHO CAN EVER DEVELOP POWERS" while the evil ending is "nuke humanity so those who can develop powers will awaken to them and everyone else dies a quick death instead of slowly dying to a plague".
Both choices involve genocide so why is one even treated as "hero" while the other is "villain"? Why do none of the conduit lives matter according to this game? Also who is Cole to decide the "right" choice is to sacrifice them all? I don't know about you but if I was a conduit I would be all "hey wait a minute there is there a third option we can consider? I would very much enjoy now having my brain fried for the sake of the rest of humanity.
Sure the "evil" ending is the more evil one as there is almost definitely ways to awaken all the conduits without murdering all the normal humans and reducing cities to ruin.... but again why the needless extremes?
Honestly wish they would release a remastered collection of both Infamous 1 and 2 for the Ps4 and Pc.
Now I feel bad for the T-shaped Tetris block..
I would like to point out that the second ending option in Infamous, as Yahtzee claims many of the evil options in moral choice system games are, completely irrationally evil.
For those of you who haven't played the game, the game's endings come down to either sacrificing yourself and most super-powered peoples to MAYBE save the rest of humanity from a plague caused by the Beast, or you can side with the Beast and DEFINITELY save anyone who has the potential of awaking super-powers. The MAYBE and DEFINITELY parts are important, because they show that the choice isn't strictly good vs. evil. Yes, the second choice is more evil than the second choice, but the fact that the first choice isn't a clear "Yes, this will save everyone" shows that the second choice is just the easier to take option for Cole, particularly because the first choice would mean he dies.
The evil choice is save all the conduits that are immune to the plague, definetly killing it off but as I recall, there are far less of them than normal humans so you are essentially killing off most of the population to do it, not only that but some of the mutations they'd get could be hinderances or at the very least things they don't want. Cole can't go into cars, go swimming or take baths nor hold anything with gun powder due to his powers and the leader of the militia turned into a giant mutant freak, just imagine what kind of shit the survivors would have when they get powers, powers they may not want after watching their loved ones slowly die from a plague.
The options are, use the device to possibly cure the plague at the cost of all currently living conduits but it may not work so it could be needless deaths or activate all the conduits and kill all the humans, greatly diminishing humanity and likely ruining a few survivors lives and/or possibly creating a lot of dangerous, super powered monsters. Both have pros and cons but I think the 'evil' one could possibly fuck humanity a different way than the plague but that's just my opinion.
I didn't like the good or bad ending of the game. I kinda wished Cole found a truly good/evil third option, save everyone at the cost of his life or rule everyone as the beast and even play as the beast as the reward.
@Teddy Bear really tho. Infamous 2 is by far better than Infamous 1 in everyway. Just the area of New Marais has more life and diversity than Empire City ever did. The fact that you think the ending was "meh" is hilarious. The ending was one of the most deep I've played in videogames.
Yeah, i remember, i used to play Sly 3 all the time when i was younger, well, younger than i am right now that is :P
Imfamous 1 did the moral choice thing okay at times. I remember a moment where you had to decide to fight the riot police by yourself, or joining up with other weak civilians to take them down.
"Oh look an intact thing!" Funny, those were my exact words/thoughts when I was playing the game myself
Ok I love both prototype and infamous and I wish they would make a new prototype I'm sure I'm not the only one who thinks this
love and tolerance :D
actually, just apologizing pretty much always amazes everyone and kind of dumbs down whoever you're fighting with.
i love how in 3:33 when he says "the evil option" he holds up a picture of pennywise from the steven king movie " IT"
I think the whole reason the Good ability line is so OP compared to Evil is because the Good Cole is the 'true' Cole in the inFAMOUS series.(Second Son takes place after the Good Ending)
I honestly thought Evil Karma was just as/perhaps even more overpowered than Good Karma in my opinion...I mean, as soon as you get the Bio Leech Overload perk and the first set of Evil powers, the game might as well just roll the credits. And when you get Ionic Drain, NOTHING can stop you...Nothing.
Hooray, a Vegeta reference!
cool man
Ka-Me-Ha-Me-REFERENCEEEE
I have to quote that:
"Ooh, an intact thing!"
Best line ever.
When I heard ''The Militia'' i immediately thought of ''Crackdown 2''.
Heh, I guess great mind think alike XD
Yahtzee is like the Encyclopedia Dramatica of videogaming
I literally just checked in after 2 hours of boredom. This made my day.
I love the way the game plays, since the first one its a lot more fluid and dynamic, the powers feel great and the fact you can switch back to your original ones is nice too. The only complaint I have is the characters, you're right Zeke is more well thought out compared to Kou and Nix, literally they're the damn little angel and devil on your shoulder and they're very very annoying. You can dress them as pretty as you want but they're just either goody goody or psycho evil. There's no real inbetween and all the evil options are way to damn extreme. All the good options make sense but not that well. Like the medicine, we could give to clinics or something so it's moderated and well spread out but then there's also Nix's idea where it's just murder everyone on sight. There's no damn lukewarm area for them both, and in the end I rather look to Zeke for advice because at this point he makes more sense.
You know, the whole tirade near the end about the Moral Choice System ideally needing to represent the inherent difficulty between the two actually makes a lot of sense in the context of the game.
Having started off on the evil path, I quickly became aware of just how tough it is to actually bounce back to the good path, as it should very well be. On the flip side, even as a good character, I may end up hitting some poor civilians in the crossfire and losing Karma, thereby making me a bit of a destructive Messiah.
In the end, Infamous 2's morality system, though still fairly clear in its intent, also seems much less black and white than in the first game. It's a bit like how Jade Empire did it, actually.
The cutscenes do actually change depending on if you are good or evil, and what you did during a mission. I played through as cole mcnice and decided to see what woulf happen if i did kne evil thing, so i was standing there, in my blueish silver outfit and being a complete douche to the npc, i felt dirty
A) I cried during the good ending, I'm not ashamed, and B) If you already finished the game once you can start out good or evil from the gecko if you want.
''from the get-go''.
Benjamin Woo Gecko, get-go same thing.
Zachary mcginness Okay... if you say so. lololol
Benjamin Woo I don't. Because don't and do are the same.
Zachary mcginness Yeah, hope you remember to use the right ones when it matters. Which isn't now. :p
Christ...Goofus and Gallant...who the hell remembers that shit? That right there is a true 90's kid test.
"Intact thing" well that distracts me easily enough to put off the main story stuff for a good while~
I want to hear you SAY woopa woopa woo. I'm unsure of this gibberish.
Wow a game i actually like also liked by ahtzee ....mmmm
"Cole McGallant...Cole McGoofus"
Holy shit, a Highlights Magazine reference.
282FUN You haven't played on the hardest difficulty have you?
While said it's a useless swan dive, the evil power does let you do it infinitely for an infinite distance, basically giving you eternal flight, so that's something
About the whole choice thing, didn't they actually ask you what route you wanted to take right before you even get into the game?
Exiled Shadow that was only if you had a save from the first game
2:27
i tried that...it was quite strange
But Yahtzee, are you sure you don't want any naan bread?
Making a giant rock with balls specifically says that it's for children...
what adult or teen would waste their time making that
LBP isn't for children because there's some levels that look professional, or can add scary things into the game.
Not the bomb survival scary.
I'm talking about legitimate scary levels, one's that can make you feel so intense and isolated that you'll thank god for the "pause" and "leave" button...
Unless you're playing online.
The it's "the get me the fuck out button".
Favorite part of the review: 1:50.
"Oooh, an intact thing!"
It’s very relatable
I can relate to not wanting to disappoint NPC characters. Every time I play Knights of the Old Republic 1 and 2, I'm determined to be as evil as possible until I meet a specific character (Carth and Mission in KOTOR 1 and Atton and T3-M4 in KOTOR 2) and forget about all that and go pure good.
"...Which makes (Zeke) the love interest."
I mean, Kuo and Nix are great, but Zeke has the staying power of a love interest...
@lonewolfM16 It's someone who is undecided. ever watched Teen Titans? if yes then neutral is like Terra.
If no: Neutrall is being a dude that only cares about himself and HELPS others when it's in his interest.
infamous 1 bored the hell outta me, and after i played it evil and saw that it was almost exactly the same but redder, it just pissed me off
Actually, "America" is a plot of land that is quite beautiful and spans all the way from the Great Lakes down to the bottom of Chile.
I think you mean humans ruined a lot of good things and that it's not particular to any single country. (At one point, London produced so much soot, it blocked out the sun.)
Lastly, we didn't ruin the internet. It was and still is a bunch of packets being sent from one port to another.
I personally really liked Festival of Blood where the only moral choice is eat humans or kill you fellow vampires for an achievement
Stealth kills that make noise.... kind of sounds like an oxymoron to me, and kind of kills the stealth element. And besides, sneaking around is BORING. I follow the example of the greatest gamer to ever live in EVERY game I play, Leeroy Jenkins, and the fastest thing alive, Sonic the Hedgehog, by going fast and never thinking twice. Veemon's the name, speedruns are my game!
Well at least Infamous 2 won't leave me completely bitter at the end since it will reward me accordingly for being a saint. On a similar note that's why I've enjoyed Skyrim as a breath of fresh air in comparison to the first Bioshock game and Infamous 1 (I only just started playing Skyrim and those last two games along with Bioshock Infinite I only played just last year (story of my life, (and the reason this channel has it's name))), because the game's setting is grey as it is (physically and morally), and the only guilt you feel accurately reflects your personality and is all your doing, rather than an imposed karma system.
exactly.
so you are only using the Morality system for it's gameplay benefits rather than story or character building ones.
so why not just use a standardised Experience system?
the morality system is too pointless.
I mean, personally, I understand the problem with the karma system being one where you basically choose your run from the get go and don't really alternate choices, but I disagree that the evil run wasn't worth it. The evil run, I always felt, balanced out the good run because you became far more powerful in the evil run, where the good run has more manuverability. In addition, I felt that the evil-side story was just as compelling as the good side, with just as much of a tear jerking ending. Again, I see where you are coming from, but I personally just disagree
I like the Karma system in Infamous 2 better than its implementation in the first game- 1 it manages to incorporate whether you were good or evil in the first game for slightly different intro sequences against the beast, and the whole losing against them sets up a convincing reason to either double down or change your perspective so getting the evil ending in 1 but the good ending in 2 makes sense. 2 it uses NPCs that as Yahtzee said, are great, to build on it.
3 the ending moral dilema is far more nuanced then most series I have seen attempt it, for Cole and the NPCs, and it ties up loose ends from the first game
Spoilers
The Plague mentioned in the first game as the reason Empire City was quarantined, is actually gone into more, and explained as basically superpowered radiation poisoning from the beast, a 50ft magma man that turns out to be JOHN, a npc we see little of in 1 but is very important story wise and in both endings dies from what you do to the ray sphere- only to turn out to have actually gotten powers. Said powers basically make him an immortal living ray sphere- ie the thing that can jumpstart conduit powers and kill normies, and the Plague is his power set on low affecting anywhere he goes. Unfortunately there are only 2 options to deal with the plague, because the first story mission sequence in New Marais ends with the ONE scientist who knows how all of this works, dying, and you spend the rest of the game scavenging his tech. So dealing with the Beast's powers killing everyone only has 2 options, The beasts' where he goes full Ray sphere and turns potential conduits into full conduits, curing them and unlocking their powers, but killing all normies in the area, or using the scientists tech to erase the deadly pseudo radiationn with a cole powered EMP like effect, which also hurts conduits.
So you are forced to either side with the Beast, saving conduits and killing normies, because the beast will keep going unless you stop him, or sacrifice yourself and all other conduits to save the far greater numbers of normies that are sick. With the beast as the big weight on the scale, you can't reasonably take a more nuanced approached, The plague is on going, and since the beast followed you accross country the area affeccted is huge, and with the scientist who knew how this all worked dead, there is noone who knows how to work out a better option. And the Npcs swap sides for this part, because it isn't black and white, the more reckless "bad" NPC is pissed at the beast and wants revenge, and the "good" npc is terrified of dying so sides with the beast. Oh and your best friend has the plague so if you take the evil option he not only dies, but you are forced to kill him as he stands up to you for all the innocents you are about to kill.
Basically I feel that Infamous 2 does the karma system pretty well, because all the big decisions are more nuanced and not pure black and white. It is better when games give you moral choices and consequences without tying it into a limiting karma framework, but for a game explicitly setting itself up as a superhero comic in game form, it makes sense to be more blatant with all of that.
I have been saying this for years and years at least since Fable if not before, morale choices make no sense if it's easier to be the good guy. Games with morale choice systems are always easier to play as good guy because all you have to do is play the game where as bad guys have to work at it. You have to go grind up some civilian casualties to be a bad guy. If any thing just straight playing the game as in just pursuing your characters own personal goals and whims to the exclusion of other things should at least make you neutral and that's before all the inevitable murdering, explosions and theft that go with all video game protaganists paths to said goal. That's not how morality systems should work, neutral should be the default not just the starting position, good should be something to be worked towards and strived for and evil should be tempting with quick and easy solutions to complex problems and easy personal gain at the expense of others. If any thing evil should be the easiest, most entertaining way to play the game with heaps of rewards to be reaped and heaps of challenging combat to be had at the expense of feeling like an asshat because you had to embezzle the funding for that Orphanarium for Cripples to pay for your gun and money filled mansion but now every time you walk out the front gate you have to step over that one-legged orphan who starved to death within sight of your lavish feasting hall. Good on the other hand should be hard as fuck with choices like save the crippled orphan hostage or save the young mother hostage and BOTH choices should give good morality because you actually made a decision to try and save someone rather than go YOLO and just start shooting at the hostage takers rather than stick your neck out and probably get shot for some randoms, like an evil prick out for himself.
TL;DR Well fucking read it then.
What the hell is your problem? He is literally the first person in my 3 year TH-cam career that I have seen admit a mistake. You don't have to whine at me and insult me for it, fucking hell.
0:54 What.. You.. used the word lol.. in a non textual medium... The exact thing you AND Gabe both said you hated in your LP. :X
Honestly with the moral choice system, at least in won, I found that the evil choices made no sense and were just there to be a dick. The only one that made sense to me was the one where you could either safely remove tar but it'd get on you or just blast it and it'd hurt innocents. That is reasonable for a selfish option. The moral choice I hated was one where you had to go help cops, you get the mission, walk to where the fight is happening and Cole is like "I could go there and save their asses, or just walk away"...what? I just went all this way to do this mission and it expects me to just not do it? If it didn't want to I wouldn't accept the mission. The other one was when you have to track down that one guy in the sewers so you find all these memories of him to find his location and you run into him. The entire objective is to save him and you have two options on getting the gate he's behind open, you could either explain that his wife is dead, so him staying put to protect her means nothing now, or kill hi...why would you kill him? Like, I just spent all this time trying to rescue him and I have a much easier way to get to the gate, what do I gain from killing him that I wouldn't gain from saving him, makes no sense. As for 2 I do remember one where an evil side mission was to attack cops and Zeke had the logic that maybe they'd attack you or something but they never did for me so why in God's name would I just attack them? I assume if you were evil they would but otherwise I saw no point. Even when Nix was like "Fuck em, lets kill em" I didn't see the logic because they were always helping me and on my side, what would I kill them for?
so i have balls? because i do it because its nice and not because my conversation is going haywire. its nice to see that theres other NICE people on the internet...
I enjoy the evil endings in the infamous series because they're much more out of the ordinary, hold a lot more depth, and create an interesting character. I would like to see a game where they made two sequels (one for either path, plus a neutral one cause that'd be cool) where you get to see both scenarios. Either that or hold true to one or the other with each having their own separate story in one game. Also quit with the choice bullshit.
I actually quite liked the bad ending, it ended up being legitametely emotional to the point of making it possible to empathize with cole mcblastytits despite him having virtually no personality other than "I'm a dick for the sake of it"
So what exactly is the point of having down votes it they aren't shown? (In my mind you are now TH-cam's official representative)
InFamous 2, even in 2024, is STILL the definition of underrated. It’s a rock solid 9/10 that everyone skipped for no good reason. Sony, please, remaster this gem.
Seems he only ever enjoys game in retrospect. Game release* "This game is shit". Similar style game release months later* "This game is shit, if only it could be like that game I really like that I said was shit few months ago".
This guy talks WAY TOO FAST!!!
Tone it down there buddy, I had to turn it off after 1 minute & a half, very annoying speech pattern!!! lol
Who doesn't want naan bread?
Weird, the way I always took the choice between the endings was that you have one path with a 100% chance of saving a few thousand at the cost of billions, or another path with a 50% shot of saving millions at the expense of a few thousand. I can see why, from a player perspective, the choice makes no sense, but from Cole's perspective, it makes the evil path slightly justified. Then again, it's been a couple of years since I've played this, so maybe I'm remembering things incorrectly.
I dont know why everyone always shits on infamous' evil story lines I played through infamous 1 and 2 4 times each and everytime it was the evil side cause I loved the story and the missions
There's a line of dialogue in the game where they mention cole has to take sponge baths because he cant touch water
So why does "engaged" equal "sitting on a toilet" to this guy? lol!
He gives a shit about it.
Because he was so engaged that he did not want to stop playing even to go to the bathroom.
Yahtzee went from, not admitting he cried in the Infamous 2 review
Not even bringing it up in his Undertale Review.
Full on admitting that he cried in his Spiritfarer review.
I liked infamous two almost as much as the first which is one of my favorite games, but one huge complaint for me that was not addressed were that one of the main enemy types poses absolutely no threat whatsoever. Those stupid knife armed swamp monsters seemed a little bit threatening at first if not goofy looking but once you realize that they can't climb at all and that even on hard mode they will just awkwardly crowd around you as you jump onto a three foot high ledge and allow you to play target practice with there skulls a lot of the game loses its tension as one of the most common enemies just turns into a shooting gallery that can be surpassed so long as theres something as tall a park bench nearby.
Props to you, it takes infinitely more balls to admit you're wrong than to talk trash. Internet or not.
Since it's virus shelter time, I think I'll play this old game.
It's a suggestively angry cat, duh ;]
or a sad person with testicles for eyebrows, your choice really
I honestly feel like if this game came out in 2018 he would have shit on it. Yahtzee pretty much hates sandboxes now.
Evil option for someone weak willed?
It was more about deciding who are more important: Humans or Conduits.
If you did this video in your first style, I could bet that one of the songs would be "Fame < Infamy" by Fall Out Boy.
Hate that bug. One time I was debating wether someone was stupid or a troll on a video of a really smart autistic kid talking about new ways of thinking and it didn't show it as a reply. So everyone thought I was calling an autistic child a troll when I was talking about the psychopath who was saying stuff like "Rocks will attack you if you throw them enough!" And "Math destroys societies!"
He also has a point too. S1 was a Portal, and/or Minecraft popularity explosion, something different to the brown, chest high wall, shooting gallery, simulators. S2 Was kind of like a expansion pack, Still the same thing but more to enjoy. But S3 was More or less a Meteoroid other M. Yah its the same show, and yah the animation may look better. But I can't help but think the show is circling the toilet for cliche story and dialog writing. Similar to what Lucius is doing to Star Wars.
gotta admit, if you lode a InFamous 1 savegame (finished) on the start of InFamous2 they will keep your moral allignment (At least Level 1 of it) from siad savegame.
so yeah, they pretty much ask you if you wanna be a Saint or an arseholeright at the beginning.
Also since you'll probably lose your Upgrades onto changing your Karma its no real use to alternate (since they give you the Option "Good End or Evil End before the final climax)
I feel that the evil options are not going towards the weak willed, there going towards the people who put personal enjoyment, like say, getting an army of mutants, or ramming an explosive tram into some hostages, over the well being of everyone else. yes, the evil options are irrational, but they all give a spectacular view. as we all know, people love explosions, and power! the good options, all save people from harm. the question it asks is "what is more important? to be super, or a hero."
So what things would you change about the game? I'm not sure I completely understand your problems with the moral choice thing.
You claim to hate it, yet the solution you offer something very similar- it's still a choice between right and wrong.
And on that note, you claim to love story in games, yet you say that a good part of a sandbox game is how violent you can be due to there being no repercussions, BUT when there are repercussions that are worked into the story, you DON'T like that?
interestingly enough, I found the evil ending more emotional that the good one. I mean, (SPOILERS) I couldn't stand the thought of killing zeke. I know its a game, but when you take into account the plague issue, the fact that you can cure him at the cost of yourself or become an electrogod at the cost of him made me feel, not like a badass, but like the biggest douche bag in the universe and the aftermath of you having super followers is simply shit. worstly, the gasp and lightning in the good.