If you need a refresher on how to use the Fritz-X , I cover it in more detail in my "complete guide to air to ground weapons" th-cam.com/video/iaDMyKEW5Vc/w-d-xo.html
On the cooling system: The automatic engine control will fully close the radiators when WEP is enabled. With manual engine control, you can disable automatic radiators, which will give you more WEP endurance.
It was a crime not to release this video earlier, as we know you had it in que for a future release to avoid missing a week. But this video was far too well done to let it sit on the hot plate. Another masterpiece of balanced information for anyone who would have questions about He-177 history, flight, and playstyle. You ARE my source of information now on all planes. -CC War Thunder Sim
@@magscorch7706 It really is a wonderful bird in my eye. From how groundbreaking it was, its untapped potential, its excellent flight performance (allies thought its dive bombing was due to airbrakes, it just had a strong airframe) I also think the design looks rather nice. The engines had problems, yes, but if the RLM had the economy and research capasity the USA had, it would have far surpassed the b17 in terms of capability long term. I would consede the B29 is the king of wwii bombers though.
8:27 You dropped way to many of the FC500, you can take more than one base with them as fire bombs have a DOT after the initial impact. 9:26 Manual Engine Control with full open radiators and maxed prop pitch helps incredibility here (just like on the Me 264), a must for any bomber really.
I generally don't go into much detail about manual engine control since the vast majority of players don't use it, and it would add 10+ minutes to every review of a prop aircraft talking about settings at different altitudes and such.
God I wish there was at least one surviving example of one of these planes. I'd give my left arm to see one in a museum :( Allegedly, there's maybe one more still intact, or at least in pieces waiting to be re-assembled in a hangar somewhere out in the desert...
When this and the Ju-288 was 5.7 i flew both a lot, but haven't even touched them since their BR got nerfed! Now the Ju-188 is my choice if i need a bomber for Germany above 4.7 (the Do 217's BR) till the 2 Arados.
I know it's not much different but I'd love to see the He 277, a traditional 4 x engine arrangement, that honestly looks much more balanced aesthetically
@@stevenortiz9008 its is a problen unless the plane is gonna serve as a placeholder like the r2y2 or is something extremly iconic thats absurdly requested like the ho229
There is a unique prototype called the He 177 B with 4 built, which was a quad engine/propeller variant using the DB 603 engine, as opposed to the strange 4 engine/2 propeller using the DB 601. Otherwise it is essentially identical to the one here in game. Could be a fun low rank event reward, good collectible item for the rare German heavy bomber fans
on more than one occasion, a few minutes after winning a long brutal but fair slugging match with an enemy scharnhorst, ive receive a courtesy fritz-x expedited delivery for my trouble :/
hm since they disabled the destroyer main for AA I can imagine. However there are still a lot of light and heavy cruisers with decent 5'' AA guns. At what altitude are you bombing?
There are more coming (any plenty done already). I try to space them out since lower tier vehicle reviews barely get like 1/4th the views of the flashy jets and stuff.
The failure of the He-177 can be heavily traced to 2 major factors: 1.) Constantly shifting requirements hobbled it: in particular, RLM’s requirement that it be capable of dive bombing instead of level bombing only. This forced it into a twin-propeller design, which leads onto the second major flaw… 2.) The mechanical failure of the DB 610 “power system” (a pair of DB605 engines, mechanically linked where the two engines were on opposite sides of a shared crankshaft), in particular its cooling system. This arrangement had serious problems with overheating and many of them would catch on fire during development. Timing both engines was also very finicky and mis-timing them could (at best) dramatically reduce power, and at worst, destroy the engine. Later models than this (the proposed He-177B) would finally escape from dive bombing requirements, and this in turn allowed the design to move to a more conventional 4-engine, 4-propeller design… but by that point Germany had little resources left, especially to waste on a heavy bomber project that was unlikely to affect immediate concerns. I imagine that had Wever not died so suddenly, that the development of this (or one of its competitors, such as the Me264 that also competed for the same requirement) might not have failed quite so spectacularly. Of course, Germany’s resource-strapped economy might not have permitted significant construction anyways…
G'day Tim, Ahh what a splendid surprise at 5pm anywhom the Heinkel He 177 A-5 Greif is well okay I guess but it's the largest glide bomber in game and had a bad reputation for engine fires eeech. But for this game it's effective in NF against warships especially ones without HA HAA (so most Kaiserliche Marine warships OOF) & The PC-1400 can be devastating against such ships ntm the Greif is definitely a better aircraft in NF then the Heinkel He 111 H-6 for the purpose of getting to high alt (although the He 111 can work as long as the ships AA is knocked out). Wishful thinking would see us getting the torpedo bomber variant and or the anti tank version or the rocket armed one or hell even the night fighter model all of which would be grand additions if added.
It would be a nice plane if half the matches just wouldn't end before getting to a base after climbing to a safe-ish altitude (compared to the usual unskilled spaceclimber wannabes getting the climb angles wrong)instead of instantly getting something like an F7F , SK60 or F84 in the face seconds after spawn. (i think the BI also gets matched at this br. had it in a match with a G8) Other times the match ends with the last afk. guy hanging at your altitude only being there to block your actions only to die or crash as the last alive wasting your boosters. Bombin's a gr8 job m8! Matches got short, maps are usually still too small with way few targets for this type of gameplay to gain any fun factor. It's definitely one of the better choices to get tasks done though basebombing tasks got so grindy they aren't even worth doing anymore unless it's a smaller daily and then just a Swedish or Japanese light bomber and a bit of basestealing....baseloaning...basesharing, -that's the word for my completely non-toxic light bomber gameplay-gets the job done faster. The Ju spam can be actually sometimes an advantage with this as they almost certainly don't end up killing the enemy team before you could get to a target, neither the high alt meta off-meta teammates. It's funny they put an anti-griefing system for teamkills which can be easily countered by just having a lot of vehicles and not paying for repairs but overly short matches are still fine and basically the norm when there's arcade for people who want exactly that.
If you want to land on the airfield, don't waste your time on the landing gear. Just slow down to about 300kmh and just do a belly landing, as long as you don't have any serious damage, you can land and take off so much faster in that way.
This thing wasn't fun AT ALL playing AirRB a year ago with constant ju288 teams it was just a failure EVERY time. This thing was at the worst BR for airRB I almost spaded it but just said forget this crap and have like 3 more mods to research on it for it to be spaded. But forget that BS no way not gonna go threw that again.
Oh god, thats a lot of mistakes/half ass knowledge. Lemme start out: Cooling: - set up mec - open radioators fully -cooling almost solved (takes way longer to overheat) Energy retention: - set prop pitch to 100% and enable auto prop pitch control again. If you now need to dump speed activate manual prop pitch (it should save the percentage if the axis is disabled, if not you need to turn on “save setting of disabled axis” in mec controls) and go to 0% throttle. Bam, airbrake. You wont ever overrev btw, since that thing has prop feathering. Trust me, that warning at takeoff is “fake”. Wont damage your engines. Base bombing: - first of all you only need a few firebombs to destroy a base since they also do damage over time after the intitial impact damage. (I guess you need 3-4 flamm 500 bombs) - you should use the 2x 1800kg + 6x 500kg bombs. 2 1800kgs on the first base and the 6 500kgs on the 2nd. On 3 base maps put 3 500kgs per base and spare the 1800kgs for the af (cuz they cant be dropped individually and on 3 base maps 1 sc 1000 is enough for a base. So youd be wasting 1,3 bombs). You can bind a button i think its “select secondary armaments” or so that lets you select which bombs youre gonna drop first. - btw, regular bombs net more rp and sl than firebombs. Why? Every loadout has its own rp and sl modifier. And since firebombs are lighter per base damage (means you plane has way better flight characteristics than with regular bombs that could destroy the same amount of bases) gaijin gives them a lower reward multiplier. Otherwise theyd be the braindead option. Also firebombs dont give you a lot of the tnt equivalent bonus. Big bombs do and that bonus is pretty substantial. So use the 2 1800 + 6 500 for base bombing. Fritx x steering: -dont make a fool of yourself and steer it like him. Go to controls and make the axis which control the fritz x into a relative control axis. Now you can “steer” your reticle within the 4 lines and the bomb will hit exactly the reticle. Thx for reading it through. Pls like my comment so that others see it too. Or just pin it. I wouldve included more information, but i dont have the time nor do i want to write so much on my mobile. Just remember, wt is an incredibly complex games which doesnt tell you shit about half its hidden mechanics. Have a great day y’all and cu on the battlefield.
If you need a refresher on how to use the Fritz-X , I cover it in more detail in my "complete guide to air to ground weapons"
th-cam.com/video/iaDMyKEW5Vc/w-d-xo.html
For base bombing, 50kg bombs give best score. 24 x 50kg per base and you can destroy two bases in one battle.
Nets less sl. 2 x 1800kgs and 6x 500kgs can do the same with way more tnt bonus.
or use 4x 250cfamm incendiary bombs perbase and kill 3 bases
Also in sim battles?
@@robotdaan now napalm is the best in air sim battles;)
On the cooling system:
The automatic engine control will fully close the radiators when WEP is enabled. With manual engine control, you can disable automatic radiators, which will give you more WEP endurance.
that's cool
Tim is giving us the gift of extra WT reviews and I love it
It was a crime not to release this video earlier, as we know you had it in que for a future release to avoid missing a week. But this video was far too well done to let it sit on the hot plate. Another masterpiece of balanced information for anyone who would have questions about He-177 history, flight, and playstyle. You ARE my source of information now on all planes. -CC War Thunder Sim
The review I have been waiting for. I know all about this one and is my all time favorite aircraft. Ever.
Interesting, I have never heard of someone having a passion for a bomber, and it isn't an American one!
@@magscorch7706 It really is a wonderful bird in my eye. From how groundbreaking it was, its untapped potential, its excellent flight performance (allies thought its dive bombing was due to airbrakes, it just had a strong airframe) I also think the design looks rather nice. The engines had problems, yes, but if the RLM had the economy and research capasity the USA had, it would have far surpassed the b17 in terms of capability long term. I would consede the B29 is the king of wwii bombers though.
8:27 You dropped way to many of the FC500, you can take more than one base with them as fire bombs have a DOT after the initial impact.
9:26 Manual Engine Control with full open radiators and maxed prop pitch helps incredibility here (just like on the Me 264), a must for any bomber really.
I generally don't go into much detail about manual engine control since the vast majority of players don't use it, and it would add 10+ minutes to every review of a prop aircraft talking about settings at different altitudes and such.
@@TimsVariety ; Would it though if you make a dedicated video about MEC and refer to it when talking about landing bombers?
@@FirstDaggerI've considered that, and may at some point.
God I wish there was at least one surviving example of one of these planes. I'd give my left arm to see one in a museum :(
Allegedly, there's maybe one more still intact, or at least in pieces waiting to be re-assembled in a hangar somewhere out in the desert...
Same, my favourite German bomber.
my favorite overkill deliverer
Great review as always, cant wait to see the barak 2!
It'll be a few weeks at least, I try not to do vehicles that are too similar (multiple F-16s for example) too close together.
@@TimsVariety fair enough, I'll watch whatever you review tbh, it's always quality
What do we have to do to get bomber cockpits?
Give Gaijin free of charge the ultimate solution to strategic bombers?
When this and the Ju-288 was 5.7 i flew both a lot, but haven't even touched them since their BR got nerfed!
Now the Ju-188 is my choice if i need a bomber for Germany above 4.7 (the Do 217's BR) till the 2 Arados.
I know it's not much different but I'd love to see the He 277, a traditional 4 x engine arrangement, that honestly looks much more balanced aesthetically
thatbwould be a cool addition. i love doing bomber shenanigans
would be cool but inlikely since no prototype was ever fully built
@sparkling925 Technically, the French did make one (out of a He 177), but with a twin tail (like the lancaster) configuration
@@sparkling925not a problem for war Thunder
@@stevenortiz9008 its is a problen unless the plane is gonna serve as a placeholder like the r2y2 or is something extremly iconic thats absurdly requested like the ho229
Aww yeah, bomber reviews, thanks Tim!
There is a unique prototype called the He 177 B with 4 built, which was a quad engine/propeller variant using the DB 603 engine, as opposed to the strange 4 engine/2 propeller using the DB 601. Otherwise it is essentially identical to the one here in game.
Could be a fun low rank event reward, good collectible item for the rare German heavy bomber fans
PSA the Fritz X is a glide bomb not a anti ship missile. Also not a great track record other than Roma and hitting Warspite (she got better)
on more than one occasion, a few minutes after winning a long brutal but fair slugging match with an enemy scharnhorst, ive receive a courtesy fritz-x expedited delivery for my trouble :/
I hope one day Tim reviews the me 264 because that has to be one of the most fun bombers I’ve ever played
I'll get to it eventually.
This bomber is fun to snipe ships using the fritz X in navel battles.
Also, it's ma day 2 of requesting to review the t-90 bhishma
I don't normally do reviews of ground vehicles in this format, but I'll probably feature it in a pairings or rolling-out at some point.
@@TimsVariety sure! That'll work too!
You forgot the pined comment for the air to ground weapon guide
Fritz-X is super fun in naval.
Just need to watch out for the 5/6inch HE VT
hm since they disabled the destroyer main for AA I can imagine. However there are still a lot of light and heavy cruisers with decent 5'' AA guns. At what altitude are you bombing?
@@skantilles75 atleast 4km if higher and keep jinking . Some cruisers can hit with their main armament and it ain't pretty
Wow This is different never expected this bomber was going to be picked for a a video 👍 The Flying Coffin⚰🪦
I've got more than a few bomber reviews up, though its been a few months.
Let’s go some more prop content
Tim it is dead in the night, we’re uploading at interesting hours huh?
depends on the time zone 😅
There’s not only your country. For example in CET it was 9am when he uploaded the video
But why are you awake :O
me when timezones:
Don’t get me wrong I understand timezones are a thing but I would assume that Tim is American, so this upload would’ve been dead in the night for him.
2:34 hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby moment
5:45 also the bad kinetic damage model of basically all things in war thunder showing
Good choice Tim. Pls continue WW2 planes
There are more coming (any plenty done already). I try to space them out since lower tier vehicle reviews barely get like 1/4th the views of the flashy jets and stuff.
This is the best thing I ever saw.
Hmmmmm veeeeeeryy honorable!!!
Can't wait for ju287
Gorgeous plane! It is not suited for current game meta. But how it looks!
I was just about to fall asleep but you posted so
The failure of the He-177 can be heavily traced to 2 major factors:
1.) Constantly shifting requirements hobbled it: in particular, RLM’s requirement that it be capable of dive bombing instead of level bombing only. This forced it into a twin-propeller design, which leads onto the second major flaw…
2.) The mechanical failure of the DB 610 “power system” (a pair of DB605 engines, mechanically linked where the two engines were on opposite sides of a shared crankshaft), in particular its cooling system. This arrangement had serious problems with overheating and many of them would catch on fire during development. Timing both engines was also very finicky and mis-timing them could (at best) dramatically reduce power, and at worst, destroy the engine.
Later models than this (the proposed He-177B) would finally escape from dive bombing requirements, and this in turn allowed the design to move to a more conventional 4-engine, 4-propeller design… but by that point Germany had little resources left, especially to waste on a heavy bomber project that was unlikely to affect immediate concerns.
I imagine that had Wever not died so suddenly, that the development of this (or one of its competitors, such as the Me264 that also competed for the same requirement) might not have failed quite so spectacularly. Of course, Germany’s resource-strapped economy might not have permitted significant construction anyways…
G'day Tim,
Ahh what a splendid surprise at 5pm anywhom the Heinkel He 177 A-5 Greif is well okay I guess but it's the largest glide bomber in game and had a bad reputation for engine fires eeech.
But for this game it's effective in NF against warships especially ones without HA HAA (so most Kaiserliche Marine warships OOF) & The PC-1400 can be devastating against such ships ntm the Greif is definitely a better aircraft in NF then the Heinkel He 111 H-6 for the purpose of getting to high alt (although the He 111 can work as long as the ships AA is knocked out).
Wishful thinking would see us getting the torpedo bomber variant and or the anti tank version or the rocket armed one or hell even the night fighter model all of which would be grand additions if added.
To me...That He177 needed 2 more engines...The wingspan was huge!! Didn't match...
It would be a nice plane if half the matches just wouldn't end before getting to a base after climbing to a safe-ish altitude (compared to the usual unskilled spaceclimber wannabes getting the climb angles wrong)instead of instantly getting something like an F7F , SK60 or F84 in the face seconds after spawn. (i think the BI also gets matched at this br. had it in a match with a G8)
Other times the match ends with the last afk. guy hanging at your altitude only being there to block your actions only to die or crash as the last alive wasting your boosters.
Bombin's a gr8 job m8!
Matches got short, maps are usually still too small with way few targets for this type of gameplay to gain any fun factor.
It's definitely one of the better choices to get tasks done though basebombing tasks got so grindy they aren't even worth doing anymore unless it's a smaller daily and then just a Swedish or Japanese light bomber and a bit of basestealing....baseloaning...basesharing, -that's the word for my completely non-toxic light bomber gameplay-gets the job done faster.
The Ju spam can be actually sometimes an advantage with this as they almost certainly don't end up killing the enemy team before you could get to a target, neither the high alt meta off-meta teammates.
It's funny they put an anti-griefing system for teamkills which can be easily countered by just having a lot of vehicles and not paying for repairs but overly short matches are still fine and basically the norm when there's arcade for people who want exactly that.
Could you make a review on the vidar, I’m considering getting it, but ik 10k ge might be more worth it, and I’m struggling to make a decision😊
If you want to land on the airfield, don't waste your time on the landing gear. Just slow down to about 300kmh and just do a belly landing, as long as you don't have any serious damage, you can land and take off so much faster in that way.
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Its extremely hard to get to take off. Impossible at full fuel load
I'd say the computer-controlled gunners have actually done their best work for me on this plane.
Man it’s late but I got time
will you cover the ki-48 with the ki-148 guided missile?
I always try to cover the event vehicles as soon as I can get them.
If the blindspot is below and to the side, why not just fly at treetop level? would that be more effective?
How do you control the bombs on console, and what keys is it?
The 1am upload lol
Isn't the me264 heavier?
I prefer the JUNKERS 188.💯💯💯💯
Is it bad i use the fritz x as dumb bombs
Also has no air brake
Can you do the he115 please
I'll get to it eventually. :-)
Sleep can wait 11 minutes
Hi tim
o7
This thing wasn't fun AT ALL playing AirRB a year ago with constant ju288 teams it was just a failure EVERY time. This thing was at the worst BR for airRB I almost spaded it but just said forget this crap and have like 3 more mods to research on it for it to be spaded. But forget that BS no way not gonna go threw that again.
Oh god, thats a lot of mistakes/half ass knowledge.
Lemme start out:
Cooling:
- set up mec
- open radioators fully
-cooling almost solved (takes way longer to overheat)
Energy retention:
- set prop pitch to 100% and enable auto prop pitch control again. If you now need to dump speed activate manual prop pitch (it should save the percentage if the axis is disabled, if not you need to turn on “save setting of disabled axis” in mec controls) and go to 0% throttle. Bam, airbrake. You wont ever overrev btw, since that thing has prop feathering. Trust me, that warning at takeoff is “fake”. Wont damage your engines.
Base bombing:
- first of all you only need a few firebombs to destroy a base since they also do damage over time after the intitial impact damage. (I guess you need 3-4 flamm 500 bombs)
- you should use the 2x 1800kg + 6x 500kg bombs. 2 1800kgs on the first base and the 6 500kgs on the 2nd. On 3 base maps put 3 500kgs per base and spare the 1800kgs for the af (cuz they cant be dropped individually and on 3 base maps 1 sc 1000 is enough for a base. So youd be wasting 1,3 bombs). You can bind a button i think its “select secondary armaments” or so that lets you select which bombs youre gonna drop first.
- btw, regular bombs net more rp and sl than firebombs. Why? Every loadout has its own rp and sl modifier. And since firebombs are lighter per base damage (means you plane has way better flight characteristics than with regular bombs that could destroy the same amount of bases) gaijin gives them a lower reward multiplier. Otherwise theyd be the braindead option.
Also firebombs dont give you a lot of the tnt equivalent bonus. Big bombs do and that bonus is pretty substantial. So use the 2 1800 + 6 500 for base bombing.
Fritx x steering:
-dont make a fool of yourself and steer it like him. Go to controls and make the axis which control the fritz x into a relative control axis. Now you can “steer” your reticle within the 4 lines and the bomb will hit exactly the reticle.
Thx for reading it through. Pls like my comment so that others see it too. Or just pin it.
I wouldve included more information, but i dont have the time nor do i want to write so much on my mobile.
Just remember, wt is an incredibly complex games which doesnt tell you shit about half its hidden mechanics.
Have a great day y’all and cu on the battlefield.
"You're wrong about everything (he's not, by the way), and you're a fool..... pin my comment."
What are you smoking?
@@mortexic4939 want some of that shit?
But in all seriousness, yes. The wording could be better.