If she would have just admitted it, she probably could have kept her head. It’s like we always say at our house, don’t lie to the government lol. They hate that lol. I do feel so bad for her though, being so young. But, since she saw what happened to her cousin.........
Henry definitely had no business marrying a girl that young. How sad she couldn't follow her heart but had to marry Bluebeard with a crown. It wasn't as if she felt free to tell Henry to take a hike. As Wolsey put it in "Anne of the Thousand Days" put it "When Henry of England turns his eyes on a girl, she can hardly look away".
Catherine's marriage to Henry was such a mistake. Should never have happened. Don't really blame Catherine for seeking out Culpeper, a man her own age bracket. Henry was obviously feeding his ego with such a young girl. He was trying to prove he still had it when he so evidently didn't. Sad man
When will people finally realize that there's no contemporary portrait of Catherine Howard? The paintings you see in Google just show several unknown young women from that time who weren't labeled. We don't even have an authentic portrait of Anne Boleyn! We just don't know how Catherine Howard looked like, apart from having dark hair and being of rather small and compact stature.
She and Anne are by far my two favorite wives but I have a soft spot for Catherine due to her very very young age and circumstances. Also, the fact that so little survives of her legacy survives today. Henry even destroyed her remains by dousing her with lime.
So, Catherine was NOT a virgin when she wed Henry!! Good for her - at least, she lived a little before marrying Henry The Head Lopper!! Another FABULOUS video, as always, Claire!! XXXX
@@andreamolinar6883 Yes that's true, Catherine got into more trouble with her past relationship with Dereham rather than with Culpeper. Henry passed a new bill saying Wives had to reveal their sexual history prior to marriage. Henry was petty like that.
One version I’ve seen about Francis Dereham is that the duchess put a stop to the relationship by firing him because Kathryn had marriage potential and the duchess didn’t want her “wasted” by marrying a commoner. Sad really, if she’d been allowed to marry him, they might have been happy.
Very interesting Claire. 2 more interesting facts about her. 1 she asked for the block to be brought to her so that she could practise with it on the eve of her execution, a very brave thing to do and showing immense presence of mind for one so young. 2 when the Victorians excavated the altar at St. Peter's ad Vincula, her remains were not found, only quicklime, which might suggest Henry wanted no earthly reminder of her
Yes, I talked about her execution and her preparation for it in my video th-cam.com/video/jZsmPArUBTg/w-d-xo.html. It is so sad that she felt she had to do that.
I think asking for the block shows how mature she was and how prepared she wanted to be. She wanted to die with dignity. Very sad her remains were dissolved when her final resting place was excavated. I'm glad they still marked her final resting place with a floor tile calling her a Queen.
No, not at this time, although it led to all kinds of problems when the relationship soured and one person would say that they were never married and the other said they'd made promises.
After reading several bios of KH, I truly believe Catherine was in love with Thomas Culpeper. If she didn’t make the speech on the scaffold about wishing she could have been just plain old Mrs. Culpeper, then she was thinking it. I think she said it. Nowadays, no matter their respective ages, Dereham and Mannox would be recognized as aggressive seducers at the very least, and Katharine had been sadly ignored up until then. I see her as vulnerable and question whether these relationships could have been truly consensual even in the 16th century. I cannot imagine that it was not the men’s idea and that they did not put pressure on her. She might have felt trapped, and she certainly took the first opportunity to escape Dereham and go to court.
@@joshuaowens4011 I said I think she said it, not that I know it, and neither do you. I should have said, I believe she said it. That's all. It was reported by the Spanish ambassador and sounds more genuine (to me) than the sentimental toadying claptrap reported by others. I am amazed that people 500 years later still want to believe she was a complete slut when now it would be instantly recognized that she was abused.
Poor Catherine really was just a child. If Henry hadn't been King he would have been considered a serial killer. Well, maybe not back then when you could kill someone and claim they either attacked you or they were a witch. But certainly today.
I recommend Gareth Russell's biography of Catherine, Young and Damned and Fair. It gave me a much better appreciation for Catherine and the whole mess of a situation she ended up in.
🇭🇲🦘 Many interesting facts, I never knew about Catherine Howard, until now. These 'Facts' videos - always filled with fascinating information. "Thank you" Claire 👑👍
Yes these Fact videos are fantastic, one of my favourite features of Claire's TH-cam content. Even I learned a few things here. Compiling 25 Facts was impressive. I've always had a soft spot for Catherine Howard. As this video shows, there is a lot more to her character than her stereotype would have people believe. Claire is pretty in pink today! 😍 Pink to make the boys wink. I winked but Tim doesn't need to be jealous.
I have always felt so sorry for Catherine Howard. She seemed a pawn for other people’s’ ambitions. I read up a bit on her as to why her mother allowed her such freedoms only to find out about her chaotic home life. I know she is not at peace; she still walks at Hampton Court.
I'm pretty sure she feels at ease now and if there is carnal pleasure in the other system she must be enjoying the best sex a woman can possibly get, she deserve it.
I think Henry probably fancied himself still able to sire a child. My bet is that he was already impotent, if not from obesity, then surely from the accompanying diabetes.
Did women have a choice when it came to marrying Henry VIII? I mean, if they refused would he kill them? Christina of Milan and several other royal women refused him but they were safely outside of England.
I doubt choice was involved. As I noted above--as Wolsey said in "Anne of the Thousand Fays": "When Henry of England turns his eyes on a girl, she can hardly look away".
Anne Boleyn refused him at first He merely increased the courtship. Jane Seymour refused a purse of money. Katherine Parr was reluctant to marry him. I think refusal didn't mean punishment for his wives -he seemed to Res po ect women who knocked him back.
Henry liked the chase as evident with Anne Boleyn but if a woman adamantly refused to marry him, lord knows what would've happened. I don't think he would've killed them. He probably would have banished them or stripped their family of royal titles etc. Royal women like Christina would have been safe because of their position. Henry wouldn't dare harm a foreign princess for fear of war. That is why he didn't execute Catherine of Aragon
That's lovely. I would find that fascinating. Do you or any of your relatives resemble the miniature of her? I remember seeing a descendant of Jane Seymour on TV and he really did resemble Holbein's painting of her.
@@harrietharlow9929 The fact remains that she was never officially crowned queen. I wrote the comment, not to disparage her, but as another fact about her. Being queen was above her pay grade. She was too young and full of youthful “vigor” for the ailing and impotent King.
@@terrenceappleby9315 Catherine Howard wasn't the only uncrowned Queen of Henry VIII. Jane Seymour, Anne of Cleves and Catherine Parr were not crowned either. All six wives were still Queen Consorts though
There do appear to have been plans to crown her when it was thought that she was pregnant. I think Henry VIII was wary of spending money on a coronation before his wife had proved herself fertile.
I knew almost all of these, as I've read Gareth Russell's excellent book on Catherine, but I am always fascinated by what I see as the tragedy of Catherine and Jane's stories. I see Catherine as young, and admittedly foolish, but a victim of Henry nonetheless. She was a kid, and she made mistakes, but her downfall was really due to being attractive to the King. In a court that seems to have been filled with rivalries all Henry's Queens had real enemies, and a few friends who were as good as enemies. The more I read, I am convinced poor Catherine was caught in a web, and I believe that eventually, even if she had been completely chaste, she would have suffered simply for not producing the 'spare' Henry needed to secure the dynasty.
Her uncle, Howard, the Duke of Norfolk, would have pawned any of his lovely daughters or nieces off any way possible to get closer to the king. Anne B. messed that up for him..
Lindsay, I don't like Norfolk much, but there's no evidence that he pushed any of his nieces at the king and I expect there was some panic when the king fell for Catherine! The dowager duchess stated that the king fell for Catherine when he noticed her in his wife's service, just as he had with Jane Seymour and Anne Boleyn.
Margie, yes, young, foolish and a victim of a man who couldn't stand his wife having been with another man before him. I think Catherine tried her best to be a good queen.
@@anneboleynfiles yes, I think she just wasn't equipped in any way to be a queen consort. Henry decided he wanted her, and from that point on, poor Catherine was doomed, because of her past liasons, but also because of her nature. I dont mean this in a judgemental way, she was just simply not a good fit for the role of queen, even though she did try. On the idea that Norfolk pushed her forward, well, Henry was a dangerous man to get close to, and I'm sure everyone at court was very well aware of that by that time, so I cant see that her family would have been overly happy about the marriage.
@@BlackCatMargie Yes Henry and Catherine were a mismatch that shouldn't have happened but as noted in this video, Catherine Howard could rise to the occasion when needed. Catherine's intercession got two prisoners released. Inceding on people's behalf and begging the King to be merciful was an important role of being a medieval or Tudor Queen and Catherine successfully fufilled that role. She was also sympathetic to Margaret Pole when she was imprisoned. She sent her things to comfort her. At Christmas, Catherine was charitable, she passed on her Christmas gift to Anne of Cleves and was every welcoming to her. So although Catherine should not have been a Queen and equiped for the role, she wasn't totally useless and could be a good Queen.
Fantastic! I love Katherine; I've learnt so much from your vids & from Gareth Russell's book, & she's such an interesting character- none of the simplistic labels put on her really fit, & I do like you doing a bit of myth-busting :D I don't think I knew every single fact here, but I'll definitely be re-watching :)
I've always had a soft spot for Catherine Howard. There is definitely more to her character than her stereotype would have people believe. Although Henry and Catherine were a mismatch that shouldn't have happened, Catherine could rise to the occasion when needed and fufilled some Queenly duties as evident in the video. I knew the majority of the facts but was pleasantly surprised by some. You mentioned you have read Gareth Russel's book, what did you think of it? I bought a copy a while back but have shamefully yet to read it.
@@Shane-Flanagan One of the best history books I've ever read! What you'd expect from a book Claire recommended, & yes, it pulls apart _every_ simplistic narrative people have pushed Katherine into, but it's very hard to explain how & why those narratives don't fit- I just want to throw the book at people & go "read it & _then_ come back & tell me you still think she was X, Y or Z!" The narratives really have a lot more to do with us than Katherine, or the historical records, or Tudor society, & I'm not in the majority when it comes to opinions & interpretations of Katherine- the only youtubers I agree with are Claire, & Gareth Streeter of Royal History Geeks- he did a brilliant interview with Gareth Russell about his book, & generally speaks sense about the Wars of the Roses & Margaret Beaufort.
I knew a few of them (like her supposed quota about Culpepper which never happened). However, I was surprised that they mentioned that quote when we toured the tour of London. They guide made it sound like it happened. I had to lean over to my husband and whisper “it makes for good theatre but, she never said that”.
@@Lyndell-P Culpeper wasn't really a common name so there was a good chance Catherine and Culpeper were somehow related through her mother. I've always thought this but I once read that it wasn't true. Glad Claire has cleared that one up
Because of pheromones in the olfactory, humans are attracted to others with the same genetic makeup. Perhaps that is why Catherine was attracted to her distant relative (Culpepper).
It was an incredibly small world in those times, in that class, and the royal court was full of people who were related to each other. All of Henry VIII's wives descended from Edward III, as did Henry.
@@wcfheadshots240 that's not true, it's the opposite in fact. we seek mates with different features from ours to ensure a healthy immune system for our offspring. only blue eyes weirdos tend to be attracted to other blue eyed weirdos subconsciously.
I just read an article today that Holbein's miniature, previously believed to be of Catherine Howard, might actually be Anne of Cleves. The primary clue being that it was mounted on a piece of a playing card bearing the 4 of diamonds, and Anne being his 4th wife. Apparently, Holbein left clues in his work and did NOTHING by accident. Additionally, the miniature bears a striking resemblance to his previous portrait of Anne of Cleves whereas no authenicated portraits of Catherine Howard exist. They were most likely destroyed after her execution if any did exist to begin with. Plus, Henry married both of them in 1540, which is when the miniature was created. Absolutely riveting!
I wish the artists of the day had labelled their work accurately. Certainly the miniature said to be Katherine looks nothing like other portraits of her. The portrait now being called Anne of Cleves does look older. It is indeed fascinating!
The miniture features a young woman wearing a French hood which we know Catherine Howard wore so I believe it to be of Catherine. Also, Anne of Cleves probably wouldn't have wore a French hood in 1540 as the last Queen, Jane Seymour had reintroduced the English Gable hood. The French hood wasn't reintroduced until Catherine Howard became Queen. Also Anne probably would have worn her own style of head dress if not the Gable hood
What a lovely start listening to facts about Catherine Howard. Tragedy such a young age to die . The rose without a thorn that has been used countless time. I wonder what alison weir will write about this young queen in her trilogy . No disrespect but I defended Anne boleyn in a review when I listen to a blog on her book. When I reviewed it as we are all entitled in our opinions. Will u be writing a book on her claire Catherine Howard. Poor young girl caught up in Tudor policies .
I don't understand how anyone could be so reckless and foolish to go about doing what she was doing while married to Henry. And Cullpepper was just as crazy as her for his part in it as well... It just seems like you would have to be insane to take such a risk, when you know what the consequences are, if and when you are found out... I mean she should have never been married to the King in the first place as she wasn't a chaste woman. That right there, marrying the King under false pretenses, even without all the extra marital affairs, would have been enough to do her in. The whole thing concerning her and Henry was a disaster waiting to happen from the start. I wonder if it could have been avoided had she just been honest in the very beginning. Although I'm sure that would have ruined her reputation and any marriage prospects and probably end with her being sent to the convent. But at least she would have maybe had a chance to spare her own life.
I knew about half of the facts, thanks mostly to your previous videos! It's still a head-scratcher to me (no pun intended, ugh!) as to why Jane Boleyn would risk herself in such a way, knowing from experience what even an allegation of infidelity would cost the Queen and herself. Could she not have resigned or found some reason to depart court when asked to cover for/arrange these assignations? Was Catherine just looking for fun or did she make her announcement in April hoping that Culpeper would soon father the 'heir'? She doesn't strike me as much of a strategist, but she WAS Anne's first cousin!! All very fascinating.
Yes, I want to go back in history and give Jane a good talking too! I think she helped them once and then got into something she couldn't get out of, and the people she would have turned to for help and advice, such as Cromwell, were gone.
Wow 25 Facts. Impressive 👍 I knew the majority of them but not all and was pleasantly surprised by some. I've always had a soft spot for Catherine Howard. She never fit her silly wild child stereotype for me. There is a lot more to her character as evident in this video. I didn't even think about the fact Henry and Catherine needed a dispensation to marry but it makes sense due to Catherine close family connection to Anne. I know we shouldn't judge by today's standards but Catherine at 13 was still too young for Mannox and unacceptable as he was a teacher. I wasn't familiar with Catherine's connection to Paston but nothing came of it as Claire says. How good and Queenly of Catherine to intercede on the prisoners behalf. Didn't know about that but Catherine was also sympathetic to Margaret Pole when she was imprisoned. These moments show Catherine could be a good Queen when then occasion arose. Disappointing that Henry didn't actually call Catherine his 'Rose without a Thorn'. That was a nice story, shame there's no evidence.
I love the high Middle Ages and particularly, the Tudor’s and Plantaganets. Thank you Claire for these wonderful videos. Wish I could think of a way to organize the information as sometimes it’s necessary to refer back to dates and things.
It's widely believed that her uncle the Duke of Norfolk pushed her into Henry's radar but Claire dismissed this as false due to lack of evidence. She said the same about Anne Boleyn.
No, none at all. She was simply appointed to serve Anne of Cleves and Henry VIII spotted her and was attracted to her at a time when he really didn't want to be married to Anne.
Claire, do you believe the legend about her screaming down the gallery at Hampton Court when Henry was in the chapel? Or could it be a ghost story made up to keep the punters interested!
It wasn't her badge. The one you see online is modern. You can read more about the rose without a thorn idea at www.theanneboleynfiles.com/katherine-howard-really-henry-viiis-rose-without-thorn/
@@anneboleynfiles Wow that was some fascinating reading. Thank you 👍 Your detective work and dedication is very admirable. So basically, Catherine Howard is the only one of Henry's wives not to have a personal badge. How sad! Is it correct she adopted the motto 'No other wish but his' Catherine was such a fashionable young lady like her cousin, surprising she did not have her own badge. So the Rose without a thorn refers to Henry, I don't think anyone sees him like that lol 😂. He may not have had a thorn at the beginning of his reign but he was riddled with them by the end.
Was it already an offense of treason for a queen to have “intent”, or was that added as a law to make an example of Catherine (along with disclosing full sexual history)? I have read that and that that was why there is a huge gap in the executions of the men and her. But I have also read that the time gap was because Henry wasn’t sure if he wanted her executed/sent to nunnery. And that as soon as everything came to light she was guilty of treason against the “causing the king harm by thoughts or deed” law (which I guess would mean that included emotional harm). What exactly were the laws at the time and what would have been on the indictments or warrants?
Don't know if we can call it love. So many teens think they know what love is. Doubt Culpeper loved Catherine, their first relationship seems casual while the second seems business like. As for Mannox and Dereham, they were too old and should have known better. Catherine was still a minor and impressionable.
@@Shane-Flanagan The teens of our time are not the same as the teens of that time. However, we don’t know exactly how they felt. One thing I’m certain is that they had a little fun.
@@leticiagarcia9025 What I meant was when teens have teenage crushes and get those butterflies during teen relationships. They see things through rose tinted glasses and think their first or second relationships are the real deal and will last forever. They are young and have yet to learn the ways of the world
@@Shane-Flanagan Yes, I know. What I meant is the teens in that time were more adult, unlike the teens of today. No matter the case, Catherine had a little fun before she married Henry.
I can never understand how Catherine Howard made such terrible mistakes. I wonder if Henry was having difficulty in the bedroom and if she consulted the men about ways to excite her royal husband so that she could get pregnant.
As we can see, Catherine had no proper upbringing or role model, having been orphaned so young. She had the attention of older men from the age of 13 if not younger. So inappropriate and unacceptable by today's standards. Catherine's life was doomed from the start. She never had a fair chance at life. That being said, this video shows there was more to Catherine than her stereotype has us believe
Catherine wasn't orphaned, it was perfectly normal for a child of her standing to become the ward of another and to be educated in their household, just like Lady Jane Grey becoming the ward of Thomas Seymour, for example. It helped them, it was like a finishing school and gave them contacts and advanced them. The dowager duchess was the matriarch of the Howard and she had many girls in her care all for the same reason.
@@anneboleynfiles Apologies. Yes you're right, Catherine wasn't orphaned. I was thinking of the fact she was a child when her mother died and that her father wasn't great. He died in 1539 Catherine would've still been quite young to be parentless. If he had lived, I wonder what he would've taught of his daughter becoming Queen.
So, from where did the phrases "a rose without a thorn" and "I die a queen, but I would rather die the wife of Culpepper" originate? By the way, when I was based at Quantico, Virginia's Command Chapel during my US Navy career, just off base was a lovely little community called Culpepper, Virginia (and Virginia is named for ER I, the virgin queen).
My favourite is Anne Boleyn but I always felt so sorry for Catherine. She was very young and married off to a smelly old man. She suffered the same fate as Anne her cousin.
Curious as to whether or not this is true or just fiction from the series the Tudors but in the scene where she’s being taken to the tower she sees Thomas culpepper’s head on a stake and freaks out. Did this actually happen or is just for dramatic purposes?
Would Catherine be saved should she had a child, preferably son? What would happened if all those accusations went into light after she had king's son? Or nobody would dared to talke about it, as Henry would be delighted to have another boy to secure his dynasty.
I think Catherine would still have faced the executioners block as the paternity of the child would've been called into question and caused such controversy. I think even Henry questioned the paternity of Elizabeth for a while even though it was quite obvious she was his daughter
Was it in 1540, after they were married, Anne of Cleves came for Christmas & the former Queen had to bow to her servant? How freakin' uncomfortable that must have been. At least at first
I thought I read elsewhere that it came from Thomas Cranmer who would have been the only churchman in a position to do so, given that he was Archbishop of Canterbury, the top bishop.
Hello and thank you for covering this……….. yes I knew all of them but too One of them was Catherine’s brother having an affair with the maid and the other one was I thought Henry called Catherine his rose without a thorn …….. kim 🇬🇧
I think maybe the equeitte of sleeping with strangers would be interesting. When I recently was re-reading Moby Dyck it's how he meets another major character. It was something that was very common but, now it would freak people out!!! Us sleeping alone! In a room alone! They wouldn't be able to wrap their brain around it!😉 😷😎😷
@@anneboleynfiles Yep- yet another thing we think is fundamental, practically human nature, but it's actually not universal, & often quite modern! We're the weird ones a lot of the time!
Shame, Henry VIII an old man marrying a teenage girl. Catherine should have married a man close to her on age. Henry VIII was A Sugar Daddy. The old man was looking at Catherine when he Was still married to Princess Anna of Cleves.
I've never found it credible that Kathryn Howard was as flighty as she's been portrayed. Perhaps she was a gold digger, perhaps not, though one doesn't get to be a gold digger or a king's wife by being unrefined. Sure, she was a teenager, but she came from a decent family. Even being raised in the equivalent of a brothel, she would have been exposed to elements of culture and sense.
Whether Katherine Howard or the other Tudors - we can bring them all to life. Like Anne of Cleves, who can be placed on the floor in front of you and made to speak with our augmented reality app. Or you can watch her as an animated 3D model in the video. th-cam.com/video/ZmCxOIgMqnw/w-d-xo.html
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Can you imagine being a young woman & having to try to admit or tell powerful men that you aren't a virgin? That must have been frightening.
If she would have just admitted it, she probably could have kept her head. It’s like we always say at our house, don’t lie to the government lol. They hate that lol. I do feel so bad for her though, being so young. But, since she saw what happened to her cousin.........
Poor Catherine, I've always felt sorry for her. being married so young to an old man.
Henry definitely had no business marrying a girl that young. How sad she couldn't follow her heart but had to marry Bluebeard with a crown. It wasn't as if she felt free to tell Henry to take a hike. As Wolsey put it in "Anne of the Thousand Days" put it "When Henry of England turns his eyes on a girl, she can hardly look away".
Catherine's marriage to Henry was such a mistake. Should never have happened. Don't really blame Catherine for seeking out Culpeper, a man her own age bracket. Henry was obviously feeding his ego with such a young girl. He was trying to prove he still had it when he so evidently didn't. Sad man
Scarlett Johnason portrayed Mary Boleyn, but her perfect match was Catherine Howard, she's identical!!
how do you know this? Have you seen Howard in person?
@@bruh_hahaha yes, I have a flying DeLorean
@@usagi18 gimme a ride
@@bruh_hahaha neh, last time I had to reintroduce my parents so I could be born
When will people finally realize that there's no contemporary portrait of Catherine Howard? The paintings you see in Google just show several unknown young women from that time who weren't labeled. We don't even have an authentic portrait of Anne Boleyn! We just don't know how Catherine Howard looked like, apart from having dark hair and being of rather small and compact stature.
She and Anne are by far my two favorite wives but I have a soft spot for Catherine due to her very very young age and circumstances. Also, the fact that so little survives of her legacy survives today. Henry even destroyed her remains by dousing her with lime.
So, Catherine was NOT a virgin when she wed Henry!! Good for her - at least, she lived a little before marrying Henry The Head Lopper!! Another FABULOUS video, as always, Claire!! XXXX
@Tazneem I was under the impression that Henry believed she was a virgin prior to their relationship?
@@andreamolinar6883 Yes that's true, Catherine got into more trouble with her past relationship with Dereham rather than with Culpeper. Henry passed a new bill saying Wives had to reveal their sexual history prior to marriage. Henry was petty like that.
Yes, I think she enjoyed her time at the dowager duchess's homes, it's just sad that her move to court led to such tragedy.
@@anneboleynfiles I know!!
It's important to remember that at the time, even if you had the misfortune to attract Henry VIII , premarital sex wasn't actually a crime.
One version I’ve seen about Francis Dereham is that the duchess put a stop to the relationship by firing him because Kathryn had marriage potential and the duchess didn’t want her “wasted” by marrying a commoner. Sad really, if she’d been allowed to marry him, they might have been happy.
Very interesting Claire. 2 more interesting facts about her. 1 she asked for the block to be brought to her so that she could practise with it on the eve of her execution, a very brave thing to do and showing immense presence of mind for one so young. 2 when the Victorians excavated the altar at St. Peter's ad Vincula, her remains were not found, only quicklime, which might suggest Henry wanted no earthly reminder of her
Yes, I talked about her execution and her preparation for it in my video th-cam.com/video/jZsmPArUBTg/w-d-xo.html. It is so sad that she felt she had to do that.
I think asking for the block shows how mature she was and how prepared she wanted to be. She wanted to die with dignity.
Very sad her remains were dissolved when her final resting place was excavated. I'm glad they still marked her final resting place with a floor tile calling her a Queen.
It's amazing that in Tudor times you didn't need witnesses for a marriage.
No, not at this time, although it led to all kinds of problems when the relationship soured and one person would say that they were never married and the other said they'd made promises.
Even though Catherine Howard’s teacher may have been 18, the fact she was around 13 makes me uncomfortable‼️
After reading several bios of KH, I truly believe Catherine was in love with Thomas Culpeper. If she didn’t make the speech on the scaffold about wishing she could have been just plain old Mrs. Culpeper, then she was thinking it. I think she said it. Nowadays, no matter their respective ages, Dereham and Mannox would be recognized as aggressive seducers at the very least, and Katharine had been sadly ignored up until then. I see her as vulnerable and question whether these relationships could have been truly consensual even in the 16th century. I cannot imagine that it was not the men’s idea and that they did not put pressure on her. She might have felt trapped, and she certainly took the first opportunity to escape Dereham and go to court.
lol, she did not SAY IT
@@joshuaowens4011 I said I think she said it, not that I know it, and neither do you. I should have said, I believe she said it. That's all. It was reported by the Spanish ambassador and sounds more genuine (to me) than the sentimental toadying claptrap reported by others. I am amazed that people 500 years later still want to believe she was a complete slut when now it would be instantly recognized that she was abused.
Poor Catherine really was just a child. If Henry hadn't been King he would have been considered a serial killer. Well, maybe not back then when you could kill someone and claim they either attacked you or they were a witch. But certainly today.
I've always thought of Henry 8th as a killer. I just realized that by reading your comment. Thanks!!
Thank you for this video, Claire! So little is known about Catherine that I’ve always found her fascinating.
Yes Catherine certainly is fascinating. Far from the silly wild child stereotype
Glad you enjoyed it!
I recommend Gareth Russell's biography of Catherine, Young and Damned and Fair. It gave me a much better appreciation for Catherine and the whole mess of a situation she ended up in.
@@victoriakmartin I bought a copy but have shamefully yet to read it. I hear nothing but good things about it
🇭🇲🦘 Many interesting facts, I never knew about Catherine Howard, until now. These 'Facts' videos - always filled with fascinating information. "Thank you" Claire 👑👍
Yes these Fact videos are fantastic, one of my favourite features of Claire's TH-cam content.
Even I learned a few things here. Compiling 25 Facts was impressive. I've always had a soft spot for Catherine Howard.
As this video shows, there is a lot more to her character than her stereotype would have people believe.
Claire is pretty in pink today! 😍
Pink to make the boys wink. I winked but Tim doesn't need to be jealous.
I’m sad there’s only one left in this series to go.
There isn't, it's a Facts About series, rather than just being on Henry VIII's wives, I plan to do all sorts of people and Tudor topics.
I have always felt so sorry for Catherine Howard. She seemed a pawn for other people’s’ ambitions. I read up a bit on her as to why her mother allowed her such freedoms only to find out about her chaotic home life. I know she is not at peace; she still walks at Hampton Court.
I'm pretty sure she feels at ease now and if there is carnal pleasure in the other system she must be enjoying the best sex a woman can possibly get, she deserve it.
Why didn't she just become his mistress? I've always felt bad for her, she was just a child.
I think Henry probably fancied himself still able to sire a child. My bet is that he was already impotent, if not from obesity, then surely from the accompanying diabetes.
Did women have a choice when it came to marrying Henry VIII? I mean, if they refused would he kill them? Christina of Milan and several other royal women refused him but they were safely outside of England.
Marie de Guise refused him as well.
I doubt choice was involved. As I noted above--as Wolsey said in "Anne of the Thousand Fays": "When Henry of England turns his eyes on a girl, she can hardly look away".
Anne Boleyn refused him at first
He merely increased the courtship.
Jane Seymour refused a purse of money. Katherine Parr was reluctant to marry him.
I think refusal didn't mean punishment for his wives -he seemed to Res po ect women who knocked him back.
Henry liked the chase as evident with Anne Boleyn but if a woman adamantly refused to marry him, lord knows what would've happened. I don't think he would've killed them. He probably would have banished them or stripped their family of royal titles etc.
Royal women like Christina would have been safe because of their position. Henry wouldn't dare harm a foreign princess for fear of war. That is why he didn't execute Catherine of Aragon
I doubt that he would have killed them, but he was God's anointed sovereign and he held your family's careers in his hand.
Catherine Howard is my 1st cousin, 16x removed on my paternal grandmother's side, assuming I did my genealogy correctly without errors
That's lovely. I would find that fascinating. Do you or any of your relatives resemble the miniature of her? I remember seeing a descendant of Jane Seymour on TV and he really did resemble Holbein's painting of her.
Wow that’s amazing…….kim🇬🇧
“... behavior that could be tolerated in a poor niece of a duke was treason in a queen of England.” Catherine was never crowned the queen of England.
No, but in any case, she was royal consort and thus considered to be queen, de facto if de jure.
@@harrietharlow9929 The fact remains that she was never officially crowned queen. I wrote the comment, not to disparage her, but as another fact about her. Being queen was above her pay grade. She was too young and full of youthful “vigor” for the ailing and impotent King.
@@terrenceappleby9315 Catherine Howard wasn't the only uncrowned Queen of Henry VIII.
Jane Seymour, Anne of Cleves and Catherine Parr were not crowned either. All six wives were still Queen Consorts though
There do appear to have been plans to crown her when it was thought that she was pregnant. I think Henry VIII was wary of spending money on a coronation before his wife had proved herself fertile.
Following Anne Boleyn, Henry resolved to not crown his wife until she had birthed a healthy child.
I knew almost all of these, as I've read Gareth Russell's excellent book on Catherine, but I am always fascinated by what I see as the tragedy of Catherine and Jane's stories. I see Catherine as young, and admittedly foolish, but a victim of Henry nonetheless. She was a kid, and she made mistakes, but her downfall was really due to being attractive to the King. In a court that seems to have been filled with rivalries all Henry's Queens had real enemies, and a few friends who were as good as enemies. The more I read, I am convinced poor Catherine was caught in a web, and I believe that eventually, even if she had been completely chaste, she would have suffered simply for not producing the 'spare' Henry needed to secure the dynasty.
Her uncle, Howard, the Duke of Norfolk, would have pawned any of his lovely daughters or nieces off any way possible to get closer to the king. Anne B. messed that up for him..
Lindsay, I don't like Norfolk much, but there's no evidence that he pushed any of his nieces at the king and I expect there was some panic when the king fell for Catherine! The dowager duchess stated that the king fell for Catherine when he noticed her in his wife's service, just as he had with Jane Seymour and Anne Boleyn.
Margie, yes, young, foolish and a victim of a man who couldn't stand his wife having been with another man before him. I think Catherine tried her best to be a good queen.
@@anneboleynfiles yes, I think she just wasn't equipped in any way to be a queen consort. Henry decided he wanted her, and from that point on, poor Catherine was doomed, because of her past liasons, but also because of her nature. I dont mean this in a judgemental way, she was just simply not a good fit for the role of queen, even though she did try. On the idea that Norfolk pushed her forward, well, Henry was a dangerous man to get close to, and I'm sure everyone at court was very well aware of that by that time, so I cant see that her family would have been overly happy about the marriage.
@@BlackCatMargie Yes Henry and Catherine were a mismatch that shouldn't have happened but as noted in this video, Catherine Howard could rise to the occasion when needed.
Catherine's intercession got two prisoners released. Inceding on people's behalf and begging the King to be merciful was an important role of being a medieval or Tudor Queen and Catherine successfully fufilled that role. She was also sympathetic to Margaret Pole when she was imprisoned. She sent her things to comfort her. At Christmas, Catherine was charitable, she passed on her Christmas gift to Anne of Cleves and was every welcoming to her.
So although Catherine should not have been a Queen and equiped for the role, she wasn't totally useless and could be a good Queen.
Fantastic! I love Katherine; I've learnt so much from your vids & from Gareth Russell's book, & she's such an interesting character- none of the simplistic labels put on her really fit, & I do like you doing a bit of myth-busting :D I don't think I knew every single fact here, but I'll definitely be re-watching :)
I've always had a soft spot for Catherine Howard. There is definitely more to her character than her stereotype would have people believe. Although Henry and Catherine were a mismatch that shouldn't have happened, Catherine could rise to the occasion when needed and fufilled some Queenly duties as evident in the video. I knew the majority of the facts but was pleasantly surprised by some. You mentioned you have read Gareth Russel's book, what did you think of it? I bought a copy a while back but have shamefully yet to read it.
@@Shane-Flanagan One of the best history books I've ever read! What you'd expect from a book Claire recommended, & yes, it pulls apart _every_ simplistic narrative people have pushed Katherine into, but it's very hard to explain how & why those narratives don't fit- I just want to throw the book at people & go "read it & _then_ come back & tell me you still think she was X, Y or Z!"
The narratives really have a lot more to do with us than Katherine, or the historical records, or Tudor society, & I'm not in the majority when it comes to opinions & interpretations of Katherine- the only youtubers I agree with are Claire, & Gareth Streeter of Royal History Geeks- he did a brilliant interview with Gareth Russell about his book, & generally speaks sense about the Wars of the Roses & Margaret Beaufort.
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K Howard is here and the fun's begun
I knew a few of them (like her supposed quota about Culpepper which never happened). However, I was surprised that they mentioned that quote when we toured the tour of London. They guide made it sound like it happened. I had to lean over to my husband and whisper “it makes for good theatre but, she never said that”.
Thanks for this wonderful video. I didn't know Catherine was related to Culpepper.
I didn't know either Maria. It seems more people were related to each other (in some way) than we knew. Quite fascinating!
@@Lyndell-P Culpeper wasn't really a common name so there was a good chance Catherine and Culpeper were somehow related through her mother. I've always thought this but I once read that it wasn't true. Glad Claire has cleared that one up
Because of pheromones in the olfactory, humans are attracted to others with the same genetic makeup. Perhaps that is why Catherine was attracted to her distant relative (Culpepper).
It was an incredibly small world in those times, in that class, and the royal court was full of people who were related to each other.
All of Henry VIII's wives descended from Edward III, as did Henry.
@@wcfheadshots240 that's not true, it's the opposite in fact. we seek mates with different features from ours to ensure a healthy immune system for our offspring. only blue eyes weirdos tend to be attracted to other blue eyed weirdos subconsciously.
I cannot but feel sorry for Catherine Howard.
I just read an article today that Holbein's miniature, previously believed to be of Catherine Howard, might actually be Anne of Cleves. The primary clue being that it was mounted on a piece of a playing card bearing the 4 of diamonds, and Anne being his 4th wife. Apparently, Holbein left clues in his work and did NOTHING by accident. Additionally, the miniature bears a striking resemblance to his previous portrait of Anne of Cleves whereas no authenicated portraits of Catherine Howard exist. They were most likely destroyed after her execution if any did exist to begin with. Plus, Henry married both of them in 1540, which is when the miniature was created. Absolutely riveting!
I wish the artists of the day had labelled their work accurately. Certainly the miniature said to be Katherine looks nothing like other portraits of her. The portrait now being called Anne of Cleves does look older. It is indeed fascinating!
The miniture features a young woman wearing a French hood which we know Catherine Howard wore so I believe it to be of Catherine. Also, Anne of Cleves probably wouldn't have wore a French hood in 1540 as the last Queen, Jane Seymour had reintroduced the English Gable hood. The French hood wasn't reintroduced until Catherine Howard became Queen. Also Anne probably would have worn her own style of head dress if not the Gable hood
@@marionarnott750 Any supposed portrait of Catherine Howard features a French hood like the the miniature does
What a lovely start listening to facts about Catherine Howard. Tragedy such a young age to die . The rose without a thorn that has been used countless time. I wonder what alison weir will write about this young queen in her trilogy . No disrespect but I defended Anne boleyn in a review when I listen to a blog on her book. When I reviewed it as we are all entitled in our opinions. Will u be writing a book on her claire Catherine Howard. Poor young girl caught up in Tudor policies .
Yes, I read that yesterday too. I'm looking forward to reading the book and finding out more.
I don't understand how anyone could be so reckless and foolish to go about doing what she was doing while married to Henry. And Cullpepper was just as crazy as her for his part in it as well... It just seems like you would have to be insane to take such a risk, when you know what the consequences are, if and when you are found out... I mean she should have never been married to the King in the first place as she wasn't a chaste woman. That right there, marrying the King under false pretenses, even without all the extra marital affairs, would have been enough to do her in. The whole thing concerning her and Henry was a disaster waiting to happen from the start. I wonder if it could have been avoided had she just been honest in the very beginning. Although I'm sure that would have ruined her reputation and any marriage prospects and probably end with her being sent to the convent. But at least she would have maybe had a chance to spare her own life.
I think they just felt that the king would die soon and that they would soon be together.
I knew about half of the facts, thanks mostly to your previous videos! It's still a head-scratcher to me (no pun intended, ugh!) as to why Jane Boleyn would risk herself in such a way, knowing from experience what even an allegation of infidelity would cost the Queen and herself. Could she not have resigned or found some reason to depart court when asked to cover for/arrange these assignations? Was Catherine just looking for fun or did she make her announcement in April hoping that Culpeper would soon father the 'heir'? She doesn't strike me as much of a strategist, but she WAS Anne's first cousin!! All very fascinating.
Yes, I want to go back in history and give Jane a good talking too! I think she helped them once and then got into something she couldn't get out of, and the people she would have turned to for help and advice, such as Cromwell, were gone.
Great content. Thank you.
My pleasure!
Wow 25 Facts. Impressive 👍
I knew the majority of them but not all and was pleasantly surprised by some.
I've always had a soft spot for Catherine Howard. She never fit her silly wild child stereotype for me. There is a lot more to her character as evident in this video.
I didn't even think about the fact Henry and Catherine needed a dispensation to marry but it makes sense due to Catherine close family connection to Anne.
I know we shouldn't judge by today's standards but Catherine at 13 was still too young for Mannox and unacceptable as he was a teacher.
I wasn't familiar with Catherine's connection to Paston but nothing came of it as Claire says.
How good and Queenly of Catherine to intercede on the prisoners behalf. Didn't know about that but Catherine was also sympathetic to Margaret Pole when she was imprisoned. These moments show Catherine could be a good Queen when then occasion arose.
Disappointing that Henry didn't actually call Catherine his 'Rose without a Thorn'. That was a nice story, shame there's no evidence.
Yes, I have a soft spot for her too.
very interesting facts , great share . catherine , was so badly treated by an old stinking tyrant......thank you , for sharing...............
I always thought that too. 😔
@@maryannlockwood7806 ..........yep.........
That intro piece is so beautiful, do you have a link to it somewhere? I would love to hear the whole piece.
Its too tragic for words. She was barely out of the cradle herself and she had to be married off to a lecher old enough to be her father.
I love the high Middle Ages and particularly, the Tudor’s and Plantaganets. Thank you Claire for these wonderful videos. Wish I could think of a way to organize the information as sometimes it’s necessary to refer back to dates and things.
However, the middle ages ended in the 15th century. Catherine Howard lived in the
zenith of Renaissance.
My Victorian and Edwardian grandmothers were appalled at Catherine Howard's easy virtue. My father called it, "hot to trot".
Good content 👍
Question...was there any push from her family for her to marry HVIII? Thank you.
It's widely believed that her uncle the Duke of Norfolk pushed her into Henry's radar but Claire dismissed this as false due to lack of evidence. She said the same about Anne Boleyn.
No, none at all. She was simply appointed to serve Anne of Cleves and Henry VIII spotted her and was attracted to her at a time when he really didn't want to be married to Anne.
That poor girl! She didn’t stand a chance.
Claire, do you believe the legend about her screaming down the gallery at Hampton Court when Henry was in the chapel? Or could it be a ghost story made up to keep the punters interested!
It's inaccurate, in that Henry VIII had already left the palace, but it's a great story.
Catherine was my 5th cousin 13x removed.
its been proven that he was 36-23 when he met kathrine and kathrine was a minor and her step grandma caught them doing it so yeah
QUESTION ❓ Claire, I have a question about Fact 15.
If not Henry, who decided the Rose would be Catherine Howard's badge?
It wasn't her badge. The one you see online is modern. You can read more about the rose without a thorn idea at www.theanneboleynfiles.com/katherine-howard-really-henry-viiis-rose-without-thorn/
@@anneboleynfiles Wow that was some fascinating reading. Thank you 👍
Your detective work and dedication is very admirable. So basically, Catherine Howard is the only one of Henry's wives not to have a personal badge. How sad!
Is it correct she adopted the motto
'No other wish but his'
Catherine was such a fashionable young lady like her cousin, surprising she did not have her own badge.
So the Rose without a thorn refers to Henry, I don't think anyone sees him like that lol 😂.
He may not have had a thorn at the beginning of his reign but he was riddled with them by the end.
Claire. I don't under why why KH and Cromwell were executed by Act of Attainer. Surely everyone has the right to a trial.
Was it already an offense of treason for a queen to have “intent”, or was that added as a law to make an example of Catherine (along with disclosing full sexual history)? I have read that and that that was why there is a huge gap in the executions of the men and her. But I have also read that the time gap was because Henry wasn’t sure if he wanted her executed/sent to nunnery. And that as soon as everything came to light she was guilty of treason against the “causing the king harm by thoughts or deed” law (which I guess would mean that included emotional harm). What exactly were the laws at the time and what would have been on the indictments or warrants?
we can all agree, she's the ten among this threes !
I’m glad Catherine got to experience love for a short while before her doomed marriage to Henry.
Don't know if we can call it love. So many teens think they know what love is. Doubt Culpeper loved Catherine, their first relationship seems casual while the second seems business like.
As for Mannox and Dereham, they were too old and should have known better. Catherine was still a minor and impressionable.
@@Shane-Flanagan
The teens of our time are not the same as the teens of that time. However, we don’t know exactly how they felt. One thing I’m certain is that they had a little fun.
@@leticiagarcia9025 What I meant was when teens have teenage crushes and get those butterflies during teen relationships. They see things through rose tinted glasses and think their first or second relationships are the real deal and will last forever. They are young and have yet to learn the ways of the world
@@Shane-Flanagan
Yes, I know. What I meant is the teens in that time were more adult, unlike the teens of today. No matter the case, Catherine had a little fun before she married Henry.
I can never understand how Catherine Howard made such terrible mistakes. I wonder if Henry was having difficulty in the bedroom and if she consulted the men about ways to excite her royal husband so that she could get pregnant.
As we can see, Catherine had no proper upbringing or role model, having been orphaned so young. She had the attention of older men from the age of 13 if not younger. So inappropriate and unacceptable by today's standards. Catherine's life was doomed from the start. She never had a fair chance at life. That being said, this video shows there was more to Catherine than her stereotype has us believe
Catherine wasn't orphaned, it was perfectly normal for a child of her standing to become the ward of another and to be educated in their household, just like Lady Jane Grey becoming the ward of Thomas Seymour, for example. It helped them, it was like a finishing school and gave them contacts and advanced them. The dowager duchess was the matriarch of the Howard and she had many girls in her care all for the same reason.
I think Catherine was simply in love with Culpeper. She's been involved with him before her marriage and just couldn't keep away.
@@anneboleynfiles Apologies. Yes you're right, Catherine wasn't orphaned. I was thinking of the fact she was a child when her mother died and that her father wasn't great. He died in 1539 Catherine would've still been quite young to be parentless. If he had lived, I wonder what he would've taught of his daughter becoming Queen.
So, from where did the phrases "a rose without a thorn" and "I die a queen, but I would rather die the wife of Culpepper" originate? By the way, when I was based at Quantico, Virginia's Command Chapel during my US Navy career, just off base was a lovely little community called Culpepper, Virginia (and Virginia is named for ER I, the virgin queen).
I remember being struck by the same thing when I lived in (northern) Virginia. I knew people from that community.
My favourite is Anne Boleyn but I always felt so sorry for Catherine. She was very young and married off to a smelly old man. She suffered the same fate as Anne her cousin.
Curious as to whether or not this is true or just fiction from the series the Tudors but in the scene where she’s being taken to the tower she sees Thomas culpepper’s head on a stake and freaks out. Did this actually happen or is just for dramatic purposes?
Thomas Culpeper's head was definitely on a stake; freaking out is something I don't know about.
Thank you this was a nice video
Would Catherine be saved should she had a child, preferably son? What would happened if all those accusations went into light after she had king's son? Or nobody would dared to talke about it, as Henry would be delighted to have another boy to secure his dynasty.
I think Catherine would still have faced the executioners block as the paternity of the child would've been called into question and caused such controversy. I think even Henry questioned the paternity of Elizabeth for a while even though it was quite obvious she was his daughter
Good job
Was it in 1540, after they were married, Anne of Cleves came for Christmas & the former Queen had to bow to her servant? How freakin' uncomfortable that must have been. At least at first
Yes, it was New Year 1541 - see th-cam.com/video/kEeGEi_XSmw/w-d-xo.html
Catherine was welcoming to her though. They danced together and Catherine gave Anne gifts
Who gave King Henry the dispensation he needed to marry Catherine?
I thought I read elsewhere that it came from Thomas Cranmer who would have been the only churchman in a position to do so, given that he was Archbishop of Canterbury, the top bishop.
Weren’t young women afraid of pregnancy ?
Hello and thank you for covering this……….. yes I knew all of them but too One of them was Catherine’s brother having an affair with the maid and the other one was I thought Henry called Catherine his rose without a thorn …….. kim 🇬🇧
I think maybe the equeitte of sleeping with strangers would be interesting. When I recently was re-reading Moby Dyck it's how he meets another major character. It was something that was very common but, now it would freak people out!!! Us sleeping alone! In a room alone! They wouldn't be able to wrap their brain around it!😉 😷😎😷
It is funny how we are precious about our privacy, yet people would share bed, go to the toilet in front of each other...
@@anneboleynfiles Yep- yet another thing we think is fundamental, practically human nature, but it's actually not universal, & often quite modern! We're the weird ones a lot of the time!
Shame, Henry VIII an old man marrying a teenage girl. Catherine
should have married a man close to her on age. Henry VIII was
A Sugar Daddy. The old man was looking at Catherine when he
Was still married to Princess Anna of Cleves.
Very interesting 🤔
Did the nasty barbarian give it to Queen Howard ? I seriously doing it based on what is known about the time 1541-1542
Clearly not up to the wiles of the court.
I've never found it credible that Kathryn Howard was as flighty as she's been portrayed. Perhaps she was a gold digger, perhaps not, though one doesn't get to be a gold digger or a king's wife by being unrefined. Sure, she was a teenager, but she came from a decent family. Even being raised in the equivalent of a brothel, she would have been exposed to elements of culture and sense.
Whether Katherine Howard or the other Tudors - we can bring them all to life. Like Anne of Cleves, who can be placed on the floor in front of you and made to speak with our augmented reality app. Or you can watch her as an animated 3D model in the video. th-cam.com/video/ZmCxOIgMqnw/w-d-xo.html
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the info about birthplace and year isn't interesting fact, smh :/
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