Giving Feedback Is A Waste of Time. Here's What Works. | Jocko Willink | Leif Babin | The Debrief
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- In this video, Jocko Willink and Leif Babin, the authors of the NY Times #1 Bestseller, "Extreme Ownership: How U.S. Navy SEALs Lead and Win", discuss why giving feedback doesn't give the results you think it will and why it doesn't.
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“How to win friends and influence people”, really nails this down. Ask questions, ask more questions and get them to answer their questions with their answers.
Socratic Method
A classic good book.
I'm a software engineer and half of my time at work is spent reviewing other people's code and commenting/giving feedback on it, until I think it's good enough to be merged into our codebase.
The only thing that really works if I want some lines of code changed is to ask the right questions in a non-confrontational way. That usually gets them thinking about the problem they're trying to solve in a different way... and the better you get at that, the most often the person comes up with the solution I wanted in the first place, but now they think they came up with it. Always think "win-win", I get the changes I wanted, their ego didn't get hurt, but boosted instead.
That’s a talent man - good on you for being able to walk that fine line
Well if you didn’t give them the answer, they did figure it out and they’re learning to ask themselves the questions. Isn’t that how you learned? That does make for a good teacher…
Listening to this feels like Jocko talking to Jocko
lol, true
Ha!
It isn't an Echo-chamer tho!
This is 100% true. I got caught in that trap. I was asked directly for feedback. I gave my honest opinion and I believe my opinion was expressed in a rational and unemotional way. Very flat, but it was direct. Then the boss got super defensive and was arguing against the points I made. I didn't argue back at all. I realized that he was basically immature. Why the F did you ask me then?? That will never happen again.
We can't control how people respond - even if they ask and seem like it will be received well. Instead, we can only control what we say and how we behave
Sounds like a great leader. I have one of those also unfortunately.
@@RecycleBBB Agreed, but I was caught off guard because I was directly asked for the feedback. I did not initiate anything. I was answering a direct question from the CEO himself.
Also, for clarity, I am an executive in a professional / corporate / office type setting.
@@RecycleBBB What does that have to do with anything I said?
@@RecycleBBB Also, why don't you start your own company if you are so capable and knowledgeable?
I actually am asking for feedback as I grew up I'm a feedback heavy environment from age 4. I was a competitive piano player and it was brutally honest feedback that made you better. I learnt the hard way when I started working that the vast majority of people are very defensive over feedback and everyone is very sensitive and fragile. It took years for me to adjust after realizing people at work hated me. Now I keep it to myself and stick to just receiving feedback.
I ask for actionable feedback. Blowing smoke is not what I need. I want constructive. I don’t know my blind spots.
Once people see you don't get defensive they'll be open and actually love to give you brutally honest feedback. You have a major edge on people if you are used to real feedback.
😂 “Fishing for a compliment.”
Unbiased, critical feedback only works on someone with a drive to improve. Sometimes you can't help but feel bad after someone criticizes you, we're all human, but that drive to improve will keep you from lashing out and instead channel that negative emotion into assessing and applying what was said. Also, not all people are experts and not all feedback carries the same weight, and you won't be able to differentiate valuable vs bunk criticism if you're emotional.
Posted an angry comment, came back and deleted it. Thanks for the resource, gonna get a grip on my ego and reflect.
People get hung up on assigning blame. In my experience, the correct attitude is dragging people into your frame of reference. So instead of telling them "You suck and you make my job harder", ask them "I don't know how I can deal with this issue. Can you help me solve it?"
It's also wise to strive to work around the flaws of your coworkers/bosses. Your boss is always busy, can't manage time, and always dumps an unmanageable workload on you at an inappropriate time? Cool, go to him before he comes to you, and ask them if anything needs doing. You could blame him, and resent him for it, or you could adapt a little to accomodate his lack of foresight and make your own job a lot easier.
I can never get enough of Leif Babin and his ability to cut to the root cause of the problem. Usually starts with looking in the mirror. When something is not right, start there. Lets coin a new corporate buzz word: Leif's Razor. Thanks for the quality content and actionable advice. Out.
Love that buzz word. I am going to blag that sorry mate
Leif is gifted at getting to the root of a problem and identifying a solution.
I’m an artist. When I ask for feedback, I’m fishing for constructive criticism. That means I only ask people who are good at constructive criticism, who know about art or the subject. I don’t even post online these days, because the few comments I’d get were unhelpfully positive.
Indeed, constructive criticism is usually useful feedback. Feedback that is just positive or negative is usually useless.
As a boss I ask for feedback occasionally, I find it to be a valuable exercise. Sorting out the "blowing smoke" from the "actual valuable feedback" can be a little challenging at times. Thankfully for me my team is 14 people so it doesn't take all that long to get it figured out.
You sound like an awesome boss.
I have a boss who is new at his position but humble enough to admit if he messed up. He asks for feedback and sometimes I give it. Some personality traits can be hard to change but not everyone is stubborn and arrogant. I expect that he will give honest assessments of my performance as well and I have to be open to that. Of course, use common sense and don't be disrespectful when you do it.
100%, there is a name for that approach and concept.
It's called *"power protecting"*
Feedback is a gift. Sometimes we get really good gifts, and really shitty gifts. The people taking it must be open to receive it and the people giving it must be willing to do so in a way that does not harm anyone.
I work for a Fortune 500 telecom company. They picked a few of us for a weekly conference call in which all departments are present on. I did it for a long time and we always gave very direct, honest feedback about the issues we encountered on a daily basis. Then I got hurt and was out of work for a year. When I returned to work, I went again on one of the conference calls - every single negative, productivity killing issue we gave feedback on the year before was still present and had not been fixed or addressed. No more needs to be said.
It's like, how can I lose weight? Quit soda and sugar and walk 3 plus miles a day. Few will ever do that. It works but few want to do the work. They want to talk about it and see the latest video on weight loss but not do the work.
this makes me think about how to ask for feedback that's useful to me
Lol I am the opposite. I tell my friends and coworkers to skip the positive stuff and tell me what I could be doing better.
Nice!
I had a hard and fast rule:
“You did great.”
“We need to fix this.”
Any correction we needed to make, I included myself because I had my part to play at some level. Unless it was a deliberate violation of something, I never made it personal.
A good version I saw was a guy asked for feedback, and the other guy started a conversation examining what the guy was trying to achieve in seeking feedback. Guy was basically feeling like he was being workshopped through his goals. Feedback happened and was listened to, and the guy barely even noticed that that it was feedback per se.
Feedback can only be given once performance expectations are established.
Performance feedback is required
In fact, if given correctly, performance feedback can easily take the place of the semi-annual and annual performance review…
Feedback is bi-directional from direct report to supervisor and back to direct report.
I like taking the commend, commend, recommend , commend. Basically your praising many aspects of what they’ve done, then you smuggle in a recommendation, and it can often be something your saying your not doing enough of, or the teams not doing enough of, instead of them.
Example:
I really liked how you called out the fact we didn’t hold ourselves to account on that issue. It was good how you made it clear we needed to make sure we followed through on our commitments, that was such a great call, and probably something I’m not doing enough of. I am wondering how we can make it even clearer like every day what our top priority is. You know how we have some posters up, I’m even thinking something basic up on our white board about what our number one team objective is for the next fortnight could be helpful. Anyway I’m just throwing around ideas here. But yeah, thanks again for keeping us on track, and making sure we hold each other to our agreements.
That feedback, regardless of who the “blame” lands with, is instead based on the best outcome from the team. Maybe you’ve said to the boss before that we need to have the number one task up on the board, so people don’t lose focus. But don’t say that directly. Instead mention how maybe it could be helpful, and that YOU haven’t done enough to get the team on board. That’s an opening for the boss to help *you* out, which in turn changes the bosses behaviour, without confronting them.
the more i think about it, i think asking for feedback doesn't mean they are asking for criticisms, or suggestions for improvement, but rather asking "do you have questions, are you confused about what i just told you, was i clear"
Nice!
I fundamentally agree with the premise here and it can vary from company to company. My company has a culture of feedback. The problem with giving feedback is it’s from ur perspective which could be radically different than everyone else. Also be cause of opinion masquerading as feedback.
Every boss I’ve had in the civilian sector are extremely insecure and do not like feedback, not even from their supervisor or other managers who see things day to day .
While serving we had AARs for every mission or taskers we did which made us an effective team
Thanks guys, like it.
I started practicing Muay Thai a couple of months ago. I regularly ask my coach for feed back. He delivers, usually in the form of hitting me with his pool noodle. I love it! I love it because by giving me feed back he is helping me improve faster.
Maybe giving feedback is not always bad.
Or maybe my concept of feedback is wrong.
also asking for feedback might mean they want do the talking but framing it as a question to get the ball rolling so they can reflect, so saying "i though it was good, what how do you feel about it?" gives the boss the ability to us you as a venting tool to express what they were excited about or insecure about
An important aspect is also only providing EFFECTIVE feedback which best avoids character judgements and competency commentary. Instead, feedback should be focus only on events and behavior and only ones in which you have an specific example of.
Meaning:
1. Set the scene of the event with time, place, and circumstance.
2. Explain their actions followed by the consequences of them in that event.
3. Explain what they could have reasonably done in that scenario to have ensured an outcome both you AND them would have wanted.
4. Explain the consequence of not following this feedback if this is a subordinate (follow fair and proportinal escalation of consequences). Ensure all questions are answered.
5. Be consistent and fair.
Not always true. I’m a boss and have asked for feedback from certain members of my teams and specifically told them to be brutally honest.
Some of it was really hard to hear but I didn’t argue at all just thanked them for the feedback.
Most of it was actually true and I’ve been able to work on it over time and it’s really helped build trust.
Now they give me feedback on a regular basis and they know I’m being honest when I disagree with some of it because I’ve shown them I’m willing to listen to valid complaints.
Yea there are some of us out there that are used to feedback and truly want it. Jockos right for 99% of people though. It's irritating how defensive and fragile everyone is. Defensiveness should be left out of the work environment. Unfortunately schools are pushing being overly sensitive more and more and it creates fragile people in the work environment.
Something simple about reformulating. Would not work for your boss, but mostly for colleagues or coworkers. If they come asking for feedbacks, start your answer with "Here is what I think/believe you could improve on" followed by your opinions, feelings on specific facts, and suggestions.
It might need to be adapted depending on egos and your own experience (your feedback do not always have value, keep that on mind) but it is the most direct way to do it without being openly insulting.
This is a common issue but not always the case. Some people are wise and centred enough that they are actually trying to improve rather than pad their ego. Especially after they’ve been in the other role of giving the feedback, then hearing the push back, they may realize that they don’t want to be like that themselves… One other tactic is to first ask them if they just want compliments or some constructive thoughts on what could be improved as well.
I have learned to treat my my job like a contractor. I could care less about their feedback or feelings.
I do my job to the best of my ability and I expect to get paid and that’s where my give a damn stops.
The people I work for are not even operating in this century. One more year and I’m retiring.
I work for UPS. I could save this company $100 million a year. They don't want to hear it. They think they know everything. They haven't unloaded a semi, loaded a truck, delivered packages all day, used our messed up handheld devices, in over 10 years. They believe they know it all to the lose of millions of dollars. Ego costs this world so much money.
I actually would rather get feedback than get fired. Sometimes you have no idea if you're meeting expectations.
Feedback is like cupping a fart and put it in somebody’s face 🤣
In order to truly receive feedback, we must let go of ego, be open to receiving the information, no matter how we feel about it
I seriously have gone through 12 jobs in the 2.5 years. Either the company is not operating safely in the transportation space, I'm seen as a competitor because I know how much money can be made, I straight up make somebody so angry (for a valid safety reason or common sense item that was over looked that is a failure point) because I have personally been in so many situations, or I match that anger... My last job that I had I literally went to go grab a coffee after loading an entire 20 pod/ conex box full of this house we were packing up. Up a hill passing other workers filling up the trailer. This owner of the company literally started yelling at me because I went to go get a drink of coffee after 5 hrs of non-stop work. I stood my ground and I told him that you need to start treating people with respect because you don't treat anyone with respect when you create something that doesn't go so well. After that statement he almost left me there. Luckily I was with the owner's son and he brought me back. As of right now I'm trying to figure out what the problem is that I keep running into I hope I can learn more about conflict through the leadership. 🙏 Thanks!🔱
If it happens so often with a multitude of people, the common factor is most likely you. I have a friend who is similar, a little too fast in engaging confrontation. I think the most important thing from this video to take away is understanding other peoples perspective. In your given example, what were the circumstances? Did your boss see you howling stuff for the last 5 hours? Try giving them your view without fronting them. Jocko talks about this a lot, it more often than not comes down to ego.
If you tell your boss, "Hey boss I just hurled boxes for the last five hours straight, I really need a break now" he has two options he either agrees, because that is just reasonable, or he can give you a reason not to do so e.g. the current task is time critical. the reasoning should of course be an exemption, if your boss always enforces very tight time schedules I understand when you leave. In the end its a balance between humanity and the law, I don't know where you come from but I suppose most countries have regulations, in Germany 6h is the absolute maximum to work without a break.
Well in your case it's easy, the problem is yourself. You dont "run into" those kind of conflicts by accident when it happens 3 times or more.
Also, kind of a random reflection, but if you work in a field where there is a common disregard for safety, care about yourself, advise others, but don't try to fight the whole estalishment. It's a waste of your energy.
You could consider forming/joining a co-op or partnership exclusive to independently conscious individuals like yourself. It seems you have objective awareness and understanding combined with sensible morality/safety/fairness. Much of society runs of a maxim of just do what you're told and don't ask questions or point out underlying realities that show some true but unspoken aspects.
All the best
sincerely
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I am a manager, and need to give & accept feedback on the regular. One thing that helps is the "crap sandwich" technique. When you give feedback, bookend the "areas for improvement" with praise on either side. This makes the feedback go down a bit easier. Also, as was mentioned, make feedback *actionable* ... "Here are what I see as steps to get through [whatever the feedback is]. What do you think?"
The crap sandwich doesn't work. EVER. It is cliché to the point that people ALWAYS know exactly what you are doing... and not only isn't helpful, they resent you for it... and judge you as a leader.
@@davidnelson7719 Gotta differ on this one. I've given and received feedback in many formats, and at least for me I always appreciated a reminder that while I'm in the doghouse, I don't completely suck! YMMV.
@@hoi-polloi1863 Varies too much to be an effective strategy. If you don't know the person well enough to lean on your relationship, you should probably keep your mouth shut.
As a “boss,” I try to word things differently, as in “does anyone have different ideas” and mentally ppls mindset usually directs them to be more positive, but I also tell everyone “if you don’t desire to have my job, I don’t want you.” If I don’t use someone’s ideas I explain why to the individuals, not the group
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If I ask for feedback, I'm looking for feedback. I understand some of my preferences are different, and sometimes maybe not far from autistic. I really enjoy reaching and understanding with anyone I want to work with to set aside all of the ego managing and kid glove wearing we do to make it through most of our typical human interactions. I care a lot about being right, and if I'm not careful this confuses people because most people who want to be right only care about being perceived as being right. I'm trying to eliminate misconceptions, bad assumptions, and any miscommunication between me and someone who's come to a different conclusion because I will change my conclusion on a dime given the evidence to support it.
When I encounter someone willing to give honest and direct feedback that I might not even want to hear, I cherish that. That's a good relationship, in business or in personal life.
Jocko: Feedback is a waste of time
Also Jocko: This is how you give feedback 😅
i guess the question they are asking is
"reflect back to me that you see the positive vision that i see, and show that you get my message in a positive way"
If you are in a competitive environment, its never a good idea to say "sorry I didnt understand I'm stupid" as a way to ingratiate yourself with your boss. That will backfire, because the boss will overlook their own shortcomings, and now focus on your admission and label you as stupid. Admit when you dont know something, so as to get to the solution faster, but dont denigrate yourself (ie: self deprecating humor) to people who dont understand what you are doing. They wont understand, and they will just think you cant do your job.
If the boss is truly moronic on that level you have way bigger issues than his possibly flawed perception of your intelligence.
Hahaha. Be that "apologetic" on a construction site and one might never live it down.
At work I actually have the opposite problem. I ask each team member in our weekly 1:1 meetings, which are very casual no-video tele-meetings, to lay it on me - I ask "How can I be a better manager for you? Tell me straight up, if there's anything you would change about your situation, how can I do a better job as your manager?" The problem is, nobody ever gives me anything to work with, they all say "I can't think of anything you could change or do better." I know that can't be true, there has got to be something that I could do better, but they never want to say anything, as if they don't want me to feel bad or something.
You need to pay them for feedback. $100 a sentence
As someone who is actually surrounded by idiots... please don't tell me you can't keep up. It is just more evidence that you shouldn't be in charge. Show me that you have value beyond your ability to comprehend what I'm saying. Show me that you appreciate good ideas. Show me that you know how to use them, and if I'm wrong... SHOW me why. Smart people want to learn, and they hate suffering idiots.
Behavioral science would say that the key is to provide “feedback” on what behavior is at issue, what the impact of that behavior is and what replacement behavior you would like to see going forward. Pro tip - stay away from motives, intent or anything inside someone’s head. Stay focused on what they do and how it impacts success or other people.
Taking feedback is a skill, and not everyone has it. Frustrating for me because I'm a feedback junkie, and people do learn to be so diplomatic that they are reluctant to be straight.
I ask for negative feedback back.
No one wants to answer the question.
It sounds like this is my problem.
Advice given with out being asked is considered as criticism everytime
If I can't afford extreme ownership, are there extreme leasing options?
I don’t think that setting myself up as stupid because the boss went through the plan too quickly is best, but I get the point.
Systems and those that already know, see no reason to seek and accept feedback. Good feedback is basically just facts to see and understand better. Seeking it, listening and understanding it increases consciousness and understanding so actions and teamwork can improve because they are more objectively informed and thus more objectively functional.
Individuals learn and do best when they become their own teacher and boss. Teachers and bosses help more, the more they listen and learn from and about those they are helping.
Basically seek all the feedback you can and use it to think, consider and provide the best interventions. Feedback provides real time facts for aware action and vice versa.
I honestly ask for feedback and let my superintendent know "dude, really give me the weak points where I screwed up, you can tell me the good ones (he would give me the positives alot), but I want to know where I fell short, so I can improve it. This is awesome to know for when I am giving feedback though, I give honest opinions and then end up creating friction, thanks.
Takin ownership dude that's awesome. Same with me, List me everything that I did bad and good, and I'll let you know that's what I want to hear. We take ownership in that to make sure the person judging our performance is aware. Like what Jocko and Leif were saying it's equally as important to learn how to approach people who don't take ownership and want to hear what they want, not what they need.
Interesting. I do ask for feedback from my manager and I immediately implement it to my workfkow. That's basically what they always say in my yearly review as well. It's done wonders for my career. Don't blame your boss for not communicating properly or whatever. Cut the noise, get the data you need and implement a solution without your ego getting in the way. Just get it done.
😂😂. Literally just writing up 'feedback' or 'revirews' for my scaffolders. Hopefully there's a better option as it doesn't feel thst productive.
I am almost overly self-aware. I know my failures and my shortcomings. I see feedback as absolutely critical to my success, especially coming from someone who is successful. Could not have accomplished many of the things in my life that I have without it. For the minority like me, don't give up on them. Weed out those who cannot accept criticisms and feedback.
That's a great trait to have. Stay humble.
Causality governs everything so all needs to mesh with it.
The humble conqueror
I want the bad feedback. I want to know if I’m doing something wrong or am way off on a project. Otherwise I won’t grow. But I’m secure and ambitious…
Not everyone is like that
Hmm… I genuinely ask for feedback and expect something negative.
There’s no way I’m the only one who feels this way.
"noone likes feedback" is bs. But, a lot of people are looking for compliments. I desire feedback, not fake compliments. I need truth or I can't consider and possibly adjust how I operate.
Feed that ego folks.
Like dealing with modern women.
So if I have done this and dug myself into a perceived hole with my boss…... how do I get myself out of it?
Dust off your resume, update it and go after a new job!!!
You'll get a raise too!
Don't nitpick employees, lead by example, and save breath.
Isn't this the same principle if you're the boss or the subordinate? Whatever is best for the team is reciprocated.
The boss egos are much bigger, somehow. It's as if, the instant someone gets the slightest hint of power, they totally lose their ability to self-reflect.
I’m the exception to this rule. Ask my wife. She loves it when I give her constructive feedback…
It would be hard to tell which is which over the phone. Close voice match
Just a mention that they sound EXACTLY the same 😂🤯
Is it possible to have a discussion with a (boss / superior rank) bullie when you need to say something that the (boss) bullie will feel offended in insulted by? I have tried sincerity (whoops - huge mistake) I have tried being very non-threatening : low voice, kept my cool - this resulted in the worst results yet. Being confrontational is a no-go. Logic has very limited value. Please help
Leaders asking for feedback is cringe. If I give honest feedback you will either use it against me or dismiss it. What you are actually looking for is for someone to feed your ego.
I don’t agree! I truly want construction feedback where I can improve or do something differently to better assist the company or team. I ask for this whenever possible. Even in my personal relationships. I’m not fishing for anything other than the truth.
If someone wants to know whether they f-d up something, he asks "how did I f- up?".
I can see the point you guys are making . . . but . . . when they are offended at even the smallest criticism the only option I see is to lie. Pander to their ego and don't mention everything they are doing wrong.
Incredibly trivial
Dude,Bra...Umm
About both of your hind sight’s 20/20
(“We gotta talk little man”)Husky Hass Voices...
Sincerely,
Jesse The Body Ventura’s Cameo
In the Movie “Predator”
(R.I.P Apollo Greed)
when i ask for feedback i make it a rule to fully accept at least one of the remarks made.
Nit-picking is usually about the personal preferences of whoever is making a deal of the minutiae. Once we understand this we can be more judicious in when we raise those small points - sure, feed then down to your subordinates to help them avoid your personal tics and peeves which will stop you getting distracted by personal shoe gravel. Feeding them up to your boss? Nah, get over yourself.
Maybe it’s a cultural difference, but as a Brit I cringe at compliments. If I ask for feedback, it’s because I want and need to be torn a new one.
Don't call someone boss unless they're your boss
Unless you’re Marcy.
Never heard Leif before. He sounds like he’s imitating Jocko, his ‘boss’… feedback.
Free speech is usually the opposite of thoughtful, TACTFUL and inoffensive feedback. 'Absolute free speech' doesn't care about delivering tactful constructive criticism or feedback. We know that the military is for absolutist free speech and expression, but that includes, unfortunately, intentionally gaslighting or hurting others... What's a better solution?
Gaslighting is not free speech. Well, free speed should go with radical honesty. Gaslighting is malicious and that is not a problem of expression, it's a problem of intention.
If someone has bad intentions toward you, you don't make it better by preventing them to express these intentions. You actually just make it harder to detect.
@@alexgac1801 Gaslighting is when posters keep telling you over and over again, "That never happened to you... No, that didn't happen to you.. You're delusional.. No, lol That's not what happened... lol I don't believe you. You're delusional... You must have misinterpreted it... That didn't happen the way you claim - you just wish it had..." If replies like these KEEP being posted directly to ME, for YEARS, and I'm actually TELLING THE TRUTH, then this "entity" is intentionally gaslighting me.
You're right - it's a malicious strategy used to try to slowly and methodically make someone doubt/question their reality (their real-life experiences). But it's usually not done by just one person over such a prolonged period of time. And there's nothing on the books that deem this pattern of abusive "verbal" behavior against the law. But it IS free speech, unfortunately.
A lot abusive "free speech" is accepted and encouraged, irregardless of who it hurts or how it hurts them. My WW2 army veteran uncle who fought Sugar Ray Robinson wouldn't even agree with absolutist free speech, and he was a tough man - a tough boxer who got permanently injured in the war, NOT in the ring. The injury he sustained ended a potential career for him and I remember how devastated he was. But even though he suffered a great loss, he still wouldn't have gone along with this 'absolutist free speech' belief. I knew him well enough to know he'd be furious with a lot today.
So true. Corporate America…… take our survey. Results come in….. “Let us tell you how your wrong”
In a subordinate position- if I ask for feedback it’s because I WANT it. If I get to the point of actually asking - something is seriously wrong.
In a leadership position - my “compliments” are productive, engaged, most-of-the-time happy people I’m working with. Creating an environment of truly open discussion wipes-out the need to ‘ask’ for feedback.
A better way of saying 'story' is 'motive'.
I call bullshit.
I'll skip the whole be-a-grown-up talk if 1-on-1 like this isn't manageable by you/other. If you want feedback just have the one giving it, feed it to your superior, if anything really needs attention, your superior will take it up with you.
Some arrogant smoke can not take a joke
I get the feeling almost every white guy on this podcast really wishes he was Jocko 😂 He is a cool guy afterall
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Jocko just perpetuating boomer corporate speak. Us young guys are authentic and direct not passive aggressive like Jocko.
Hahaha, m...n.
Another word that has been hijacked, and refined. In the future, I will ask for constructive criticism instead, because that's I really mean.
*redefined
And, *what
Proofread after the fact 😆
@@wadestrickland3372 Glad to help! :)
Seems like BS to me. I'm an author. I genuinely ask people for feedback on what I've written all the time with specific questions. I don't get mad if people tell me they don't like it, or whatever other criticism they have. The worst feedback is someone telling me they thought it was good with nothing else. Gives me nothing to work on.
These two men have identical speech patterns and scarily similar personalities… it’s Jacko’s twin brother from another mother
LFG
It is not true. Not everyone hate feedback. My faults can be seen much better from outside than from my own perspective.
Just my opinion, but I think there's a way to be more direct and honest without being a dick. "Hey man the presentation had solid info I just think it might have been a little too fast."
The Apple Corporation is exactly this way. They practice this regularly and can’t stand honest feedback EVER. But that place is jam packed with snowflakes so go figure. #ROTTONTOTHECORE
Hey, Boss, you know, you re full of shit. But it's a good thing. There is so much room to grow.