BBB #14: The Future Of Bike Technology
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ก.ย. 2024
- After our surprise about the inflexibility of the technology on the Ducati Multistrada V4, Andy B commissioned himself to do in-depth research into the future of bike technology. You should see what is coming down the line from Bosch.
Will you love it or loathe it? Are you ready for Tesla-style tech on motorbikes? Or do you just want to leave all that crap behind and enjoy the riding? Or will the tech make your riding more enjoyable?
So many questions. Let us know what you think.
I know Garmin Basecamp isn't fantastic but that and a Garmin 660 swopped between the last 3 bikes just does the job. Whoever made your Picos GPX files, we enjoyed the routes you posted.
Yep that was me doing the Basecamp routes for you. Thanks for the feedback! Basecamp is a pain at times, but it does work. My usual method is to plot the route on Google Maps by putting in waypoints, as Google maps is a nice interface for dragging things around and finding road closures etc. Then I’ll put each waypoint into Basecamp (as lat/long, which seems the most reliable method), and then use Basecamp to create the routes that I then put on my Garmin GPS66i.
Good discussion..be interesting to see if the handlebar controller is worth having. In a recent video from Nomad Sweden Robert showed a neat way to make a roadbook, rally style on your handlebar mounted smartphone using the controller. Roll on some riding time!! Cheers, Steve
I will report back. The Thork app appears to have a PDF roadbook facility which looks very interesting.
Another nice vid chaps.
What worries me most about this hi tech stuff is what happens if and when it fails, not just the replacement or repair costs, but the accidents in the making when the rider becomes over reliant on technology to save him/her and lowers his/her guard or pushes the boundaries of their skillset thinking the tech will save them and then things end badly if it fails.
I have just recently bought a bike with traction control and different modes and a tft screen on it, so I have come to the party quite late I suppose, time will tell how reliable and effective it all is. I'm just a little sceptical about all this radar and smidsy tech though at the moment but I shall wait and see. Never say never and all that, I will try most things once with the exception of Morris Dancing and Incest of course...
Yep, my worry too. With a dash setting you back £1600 if it gets nicked, the out of warranty situation with these bikes is likely to get quite serious. This is likely to drive used bike values down which may be good for some, until something goes wrong.
With access to diagnostics on bikes not protected by open OBD standards the stranglehold that the manufacturers have will remain (compared to cars where you are able to run your own diagnostics) .
Some entrepreneurial person will figure out a work around and make a bunch of money for independents I reckon.
@@beardedbaldbikers4634 I suppose it begs the question should you purchase extended warranty on these overtly complex bikes, with the Triumph I have recently purchased there's an option to extend the warranty another 2 years for £400, I haven't done anything yet but extending the warranty to 4 years full factory cover including europe etc is tempting...
@@tigersquad3734 Extending the BMW warranty for a year with Euro cover recovery cost £400, so I’d say the Triumph one is good value
I have used Sygic on my phone for a couple of years and it supports up to 48 waypoints. Create a Route in MyRouteApp on the PC, use the MyRouteApp on the phone to select that route and send it to Sygic Nav app and hey presto! That is on my phone though so no idea how it would work on the Ducati.
Entertaining. I think.
Who knows - hopefully :-)
The head up warnings etc around 11 mins...I get maybe 15 reminder pop-ups on my PC at work throughout the day from my Outlook calendar...I automatically cancel them without reading them now. I even told my line manager that I don't get the pop ups anymore - that's how switched off I am to them. I can see that being the same with head up displays. I'd rather go more analogue from here than digital. It's getting too much IMO. James, aged 52 and a half.
Hey James. Good point well argued. As per in the video, if people can’t pay attention to another real life actual vehicle that is visible out of their windscreen, what chance they will pay attention to a HUD warning.
A lot of the LCD/TFT screens i don't particularly like, never mind the various additional clamps / units for sat nav etc. Being old school i know as a sales rep plugging a destination into the sat nav for a customer meant it took me longer to remember where they actually were as the habit is one of follow the screen then forget it once the data has gone. Navigating by map, pre-written route meant I would remember the route typically once ridden / driven.
There is a fear riders will become too distracted by all the extra info being available, and not concentrate on the road, no sat nav yet spots oil, debris, poor road surfaces. I see aids such as rain / road / off road rider modes as a help, taking calls on a bike I think should be a no-no for riders.
I am sure various app developers will work something out moving forward to always be able to work with whatever complicated systems manufacturers develop. Google maps is simple enough
Well said. I used to tour Europe with directions written on masking tape on my fuel tank, and a paper map just in case. Never failed.
Your all a fair bit wealthier than me.....co-pilot on my phone mounted to the handlebars....thats my lot...
I use my phone on my bars too (often with a Garmin handheld just in case), but controlling the phone can be difficult with a touch interface so the Thork Racing Carpe controller could be just the ticket.
It's SOOO painful listening to duffers trying to fathom navigation! 🤯 TomTom GO on a smartphone is currently the way to go if you want to plan complicated routes (especially on the loo) and avoid speeding fines.
The point is that the mega expensive new bikes have crippled nav facilities. We do know our gpx from our gpz as you would know if you could bear watching any of our other vids. Most likely you couldn't bring yourself to download any of our Picos gpx files like a previous commentator did so you'll never know which is fine by us.
@@beardedbaldbikers4634 The facilities on the overly complicated modern bikes fast becomes obsolete - often before duffers have worked out how to use them properly. Use a smartphone, and you'll be free to swap navigation software whenever you wish. As I've said before, TomTom is the way to go - from experience, it'll run rings around Garmin. No gpx etc required, simply plot complicated routes on the phone whenever you feel like it, or need to. I don't need to download other people's routes because I've imagination and know Europe pretty well. Sorry, I know you mean well, but experience will always trump armchair research.
Tip: next time you go to Spain, why not cross the Pyrenees with your satnav set to bicycle; that's what I call fun!
Now that does sound like a good trip - satnav set to bicycle sounds like it will lead to much hilarity.
@@RedRupert64 You are right with regard to tech on bikes being outdated quickly - which is why you are seeing smartphone-centric integration such as Apple Carplay or Android Auto or Bosch mySPIN. The underlying technical standards are relatively constant, its just the software that runs on top is changing rapidly. "In theory" if app developers embrace these platforms then we will have a decent choice of apps as they can be easily updated by the developers without involving the manufacturers who are onto "next year's bike".
If you look at www.bosch-softtec.com/myspin_apps.html you can see that there is Calimoto currently (which I have found to be a great navigation app for scratching about and having fun and planning routes). It seems that when the app goes onto the app store for Bosch it needs to be whitelisted by the manufacturer before it can be used. Seems like Ducati can update their app whenever they like to add functionality in the future - the question is, will they? I share your pessimism that they will not :(
Cheers guys, entertaining and informative as usual.
Should be fun when the conspiracy theorists focus on this... automatic speed fines anyone?