Did I Make The Right Choice? | BMW R1250GS TE Triple Black
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ม.ค. 2022
- We all know the might GS is the market leader... but do I still think I made the right choice buying my KTM 1290 Super Adventure S?
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I like the part starting at 7:20. “No massive grin factor to it” then immediately “woo hoo hoo!!!” And laughs like an absolute child 😂…
I'm a die hard KTM guy, but the 1250 GS sound, looks and even how it handled did really appeal to me. KTM just had that edge that made me feel that little extra excitement I needed to feel a little young 🤣
Haha! Agreed! It's definitely a bike I would be happy to own but maybe when I've grown up a bit! Thanks for watching!
Just got my Triple Black last November and it has spoiled me rotten. The balance, wind protection and comfort really superb. I love the quick shifter especially when I flick it from 1st to 2nd and it jumps forward a bit due to the low end torque like a bucking bronco. Love it!
Congrats on the new bike! Ride safe
These incredibly complex machines are specifically designed for fully loaded journeys well in excess of three hundred miles. Using it for anything else is pure luxury. Brilliant!!
True! You cannot go wrong with this bike. All that remains, though, is that
You’re correct however most people aren’t going on a trek like that and I think they’re more of a status symbol.
@@thelastrebelshow1627 Or they might just be tall, needing a large bike.
Great review, swapping my 10 year old GS1200 for this one in less than 2 weeks. Your video put a grin on my face already. Thanks.
Ahh amazing! Congrats on the new bike!
Just found the channel mate love the content and the banter keep up the great work 👏👍
Thank you mate!
Great review Sam, keep knocking out the great content
Cheers bud! 👌🏼
Great review - I totally agree with the summary ... I currently have the 1250 GS and it's probably the best all-around bike out there but it doesn't quite have that "giggle" factor like I used to get from the S1000XR I traded for it. Of course, on the GS, I'm also not as concerned about losing my license or riding over my head like I was on the XR, which is why I traded. But I do miss the roar of the XR and giggles in my helmet it provided! Wish I could afford both!
Appreciate that Jim! Nice to hear an owners opinion! The XR is an awesome bit of kit! basically an S1000RR but in upright comfort. I had to spend a lot of time blurring out my speedo on my review of it haha! Would be lovely to have a few in the garage. Thanks for watching
Have the same bike. I’ve had it on the track at track days, down dirt roads, and on road trips. Of the 3 BMW’s I’ve owned this quirky looking thing is the best.
I have had 8 x GS and never had a problem but I know others who have had lots of issues, I bought a KTM 1290 SAS and had so many electronic niggles and poor dealer support I sold it after 12 months and bought a Suzuki 1050 X T V-strom which doesn't have the wow factor but is 100% reliable and without the anxiety of wondering what next is going to go wrong.
I suppose its any of the most technologically advanced bikes are destined to have problems somewhere. I haven't had a single issue with my SAS but know of others that have had a few. Hoping this new version will have less issues than the previous gen! Those 1050 XT's look really lovely too! Thanks for watching!
The big Zook is the large ADV bargain of the century.
You choose reliability over performance.
David, I am with you. My heart says GS but my head and wallet say Vstrom.
No, you did not make a mistake. I've wanted a GS for 30 years.
Thanks for the video, I was torn between this and then KTM SA but yesterday, traded in my Tiger 1200 and bought the GS. To say I’m like a kid at Christmas is an understatement 🤣
Congratulations on the new bike!
I'm curious to know why you didn't wait to test-ride the new Tiger 1200s? Is there something that put you off of Triumph altogether?
@@craigfinnegan8534 The Tiger has been a great bike, super smooth triple engine and a very comfortable 2 up distance tourer. It's been faultless in terms of reliability also. The only criticism is that its a heavy bike and its all up top which can be a bit unnerving when manoeuvring at slow speeds 2 up with luggage. I'm sure the new Tiger will be a great bike as well but the GS has always been on my radar though and I'm just ready for a change as I've had the Tiger now for almost 3 years.
@@MarkATaylor You said the magic word - reliability (I didn't want to lead you on by asking about it directly). My own mechanic compares Triumph reliability to Suzuki, but his assistant warned me about parts delays (not sure if he meant even before Covid).
I've owned a Super Tenere so I know what you're talking about with top heaviness (and with the ST, poor agility also). It looks like Triumph has done a good job with weight reduction on top with the upcoming upgraded Tiger 1200s, but we'll see once test rides are available.
I've heard the quickshifters tend to fail on the Tiger 900s, and I'm bracing to hear the same with the 1200s.
Why don't I go for a GSA instead of the Rally Explorer I'm aiming for (especially when the GS is getting a major upgrade to a 1300 next year)? Because I'm willing to pay a hefty purchase price but not keep paying excessively afterwards. There are other reasons but that's the main one. And there are other reasons I'm passing on the KTM SA and even the Africa Twin.
With a reliable Yamaha right now (FJ-09 ie Tracer), whichever bike I buy next, it won't be a first year debut.
Your reply was "confidence inspiring"...thanks for that. And happy, safe travels with your new GS.
Good choice! As well as a fantastic bike, it has the best back up/guarantee on earth. I dropped mine and knackered my back in Bosnia. 1 Phone call and taxi to airport, hotel, flight home, auto hire car, bike transport home- all sorted with no cost to me. Unbelievable.
I think this was a very fair and balanced review - at the end of the day its personal choice (at least it still gave you the giggles which is a positive 👍
Thank you - agreed! These bikes are all so good that it's down to what you want and what you enjoy the most!
Greetings from Texas. Nice video and discussion about the bike. Also enjoyed your gleeful outbursts. Motorcycles should come with a warning, “CAUTION may cause uncontrolled childlike behavior and extreme bouts of happiness. If you don’t experience these symptoms seek medical attention immediately” I have an R1250RS and absolutely love it. I ride it weekly to turn my frown upside down!
Greeting! Haha great! That's how a bike should be used - not tucked away all winter. Thank you for watching
your laugh says everything 😊
Great review. I’d so love one of these but just can’t justify the outlay at this stage of life (31, young family, big mortgage etc). So instead I live vicariously through reviews like these. Very much appreciated! 👍🏼
Thank you! Ahh I bet there are many like you! Wait until the kids grow up, you can charge them just enough rent to pay for the monthly payments haha!
@@SamVBikes 100% 🤣🤣 I’ll let my 6-month old know what’s coming 🤣
Need to learn that life's not fair.. taxes and all that! They will thank you for it later in life when they are prepared 😂
This is my favorite moto channel due to your humble demeanor, your desire to glory God, and your excellent presentations and knowledge of the moto world. To say this is saying a lot because there are some great moto channels here!!! Thanks Brother!!!
That's quite a statement! Thank you very much!!!
Been riding both this GS and my own ktm 1290 Sar and they are both really good.
The only way i can explain is when you go to the bar with your 2 best friends.
Tom is the calm relaxed guy that orders 2 beers and is ready for a good talk and hook up some girls later at night. You are gonna have a good time with Tom for sure.
Your other friend Dave is the guy that runs into the bar , starts yelling the second he comes in , jumps on a table and orders 4 tequila's.
Dave will make sure you will also have a good but crazy night.
Tom is the BMW , Dave the KTM 😁
Hahaha very good way of putting it! Saw you picked up your GS the other day so will be good to see your comparisons!
@@SamVBikes thx Sam! Gonna be recording some videos today , most likely crashing haha.
Got to test those crash bars! Enjoy bud and thanks for watching my vids too
I think you made the right choice with that LC8 engine! Enjoy the power whilst you’re young! Arm ripping! The GS will always be there 😉 🤣
Haha thanks mate! I think so too! Welcome to the KTM crew!
Your glee filled laughter has convinced to get one.. :)
This is proper review 🙌🏼 most others would just ride around on low speeds and open throttle just once or twice.
Haha thanks!
I’ve had four GSA. A 2005 1150, 07 GSA 1200, 2013 GSA triple black and a 2018 GSA rally.
Absolutely marvelous. I hate dealer services but I can do everything myself. I bought a 2019 Ktm super adventure R a couple years ago and just about to upgrade to the 2022 Ktm 1290 R.
Both are great in their own. One triumphs the other in off road , the other triumphs in comfort and dealership support.
Bmw a road bike that can go off road. Ktm an off road bike that can go on road.
Very good way of putting it at the end there! Nice to hear from someone that's had both and enjoyed both. Thanks for watching
Just ordered a TE triple black at the weekend, can't wait!
Congratulations!
Nice video, am self a 1250 GSA rider, thought it was amusing you saying there was no real grin factor to the bike, then pop a little wheelie and giggle like a kid for some seconds 🙂.
I looked at the KTM as well, but thought it was really high and the balance no where as good as the GSA, but we have our preferences.
Enjoy riding and stay safe
Thank you! Haha yeah I thought it was ironic so left it in there! It's a corking machine but like you say, comes down to the users preferences. Thanks for watching and ride safe!
Picked up my Triple Black a couple of months ago - awesome.
Congrats on the new bike!
Anything man made is a gamble on reliability, sold highline and exotic cars and still no guarantee of trouble free enjoyment!
Agreed! Just got to be lucky!
I’ve had super bikes for yonks but sold out for the gs rallye. I can’t believe how much I love it! I’ve never had a bike I wanted to go out riding on. Ride it fast and it makes me laugh like a hyena . Good video buddy.
As much as everyone thinks adventure bikes are an old man's bike... they are SOOO GOOD! Why wouldn't you want a bike that can carry all of your luggage 500 miles away in comfort and warmth, them dump that at the hotel and go playing in the mountains and dirt roads! Haha! Thanks for watching!
Had my GS 3 years, had a few errors on the dash that clear themselves and exhaust valve replacement last Feb under warranty so overall it’s been great 👍🏻
Amazing! Yeah I think you'll be VERY lucky with any of these new bikes to get an error free life haha! Glad you're enjoying it!
I'm on my third GS and I've got this one. You can improve the quick shifter by 'preloading' the gear lever before shifting up. Once you get used to it, it definitely makes a difference.
Ahh good to know! I know that works on some bikes but didn't think to try it!
What do you mean by pre loading te gear?
@@booshallmighty putting pressure on the gear lever against the gate (the resistance you will meet) and then shifting from there, rather than taking up the slack and shifting all in one movement, through the gate.
@@thewoodster8607 is that working on every bike, with a Quickshifter installed?
@@SnelleJelle_ most don't need it TBH but the GS definitely does because of the engine/gearbox characteristics. Ive ridden a Z1000 SX that was as smooth as butter.
If you use the quick shifter from 3rd gear upwards and keep the throttle pinned it is very smooth...just takes getting use to it...the gsa1250 is the do all and very comfy bike ..just like you said ,once you own one you never need anything else😎
Ahh yeah it was lovely and smooth once the throttle was open. Suppose some engine types just deal with that off-peak rev range shifts smoother. I just need to stop being lazy and use the clutch haha!
You'll definitely need
a Triumph Rocket.
The 1250 is a really nice bike! However I have to say that this video reminded me of why I got an R nineT... All those modes and settings give me a proper headache. I just love the simplicity of the R nineT over this spaceship :)
Yes! Agreed. Also the boxer engine in the R Nine T makes it an absolute laugh to ride. So much character!
I’m right here with you 😎🙌
Well said: my GS has TOO MUCH technology - hill start assist? WTF! Riding modes? What a load of bollox! I could go on....
I've always thought the suspension adjustment was super easy, short press for damping and long press for preload. Nice to have a dedicated button instead going into modes
Definitely nice to have the button, just took a few mins to work it out on an early morning pre-coffee haha!
@@SamVBikes You can tell BMW put some thought into the switchgear layout in regards to usability. The dash on your bike is awesome though!!
Agreed bud! That TFT is definitely the best looking on the market 👌🏼
@@SamVBikes
Shame it needs almost
10 seconds to start...
Yes Bro, no mistake made there. Its an amazing Bike. Keep up the Vidios mate.thanks
Such a great bike! Thanks for watching!
Re the quick shifter in the manual it states as long as your not rolling off or opening it up the change w be super smooth.
I have BMW GSA1150 and owned for years it is absolutely perfect and trundling along slippery muddy country lanes and is sure footed. I don't use off road expect gravel roads. I get the idea the sales people always trying shove more CC into an engine. But if was going use the bike as it was advertised I would would 400cc to 600cc bike air cooled thumper with simple technology that could be fixed in muddy field miles from nowhere with screw driver and pair mole grips.
Very true! I'm sure a lot of people buy these adventure bikes telling themselves that they will be trekking them across Mongolia, but in reality they are used for commuting and weekend trips. I should know, I'm one of them haha! If you enjoy the bike for what you use it for, then why does it matter! Love the 1150 too!
I love my KTM 1290 SAS, that enginen is just bonkers. :) I will however probably get a GS when I will be old until then V-twin power all day long!
Definitely agree with you! When I've grown up a bit and stop wanting my bike to try to kill me every time I open the throttle! Haha
Many ppl say BMW R1250GS/A is the best in ADV motorcycle segment, in the past I never drove an BMW. I own a 2021 Africa Twin Adv Sports (AT-AS), so I had high expectations for R1250 GS compared to my AT.
Today I got an opportunity to test-drive R1250 GS, honestly I didn't like it (maybe I'm used to my AT). Few thing I noticed
1. Handle-bar position - IMO AT has relaxed handlebar position compared to R1250.
2. Immediately I felt engine heat from the boxer engine, even after riding for multiple hours on AT I barely notice engine heat.
3. Foot pegs, shifter & rear brake position is more comfortable in AT than BMW.
4. Even though R1250 GS is heavier than AT ES, I feel the speed. While driving 75-80+ miles on Interstate, I felt the speed on BMW. On AT I don't feel that speed, 80+ miles engine is pretty relaxed at 4000/rpm.
5. Parallel-Twin engine/exhaust sound has more grunt/thump compared to the boxer engine. I really like how AT sounds.
6. Brakes are much more effective on BMW compared to AT. BMW excels in braking.
Maybe I'm missing something on BMW, pls let me know if you think otherwise...
No more second thought of trading AT for R1250GS, IMO for me AT-AS is more comfortable than BMW.
It's nice to hear that you're solidified in the bike you bought. I love the AT too, the sound of it alone is enough of a reason to buy one haha.
I suppose its different for everyone. Both are fantastic bikes but if it doesn't fit you, or suit your riding, then it's not for you. Same thing with my 1290 Super Adventure. Every time someone rides one, they either love it, or are annoyed by less significant factors which mean they couldn't live with it!
You will get the die-hard fans which will tell you that you're wrong about everything, but still doesn't mean you should buy one if you didn't like it!
Stick with your AT! Awesome bike! Thanks for watching
Some people don't understand why the gs quickshifter is not as good as other bikes,compared to the ktm for example, but after you look at the transmission of both bikes, you know why, the "ready to race" transmission have half of the material of the gs, so it will be way less durable, the gs is agricultural, but will last forever.
Nice report Sam, I was impressed when I rode one, it was quicker than it felt too, had to keep an eye on the Speedo. Plus, I could flat foot the lowered chassis adventure version, something I can't do with any other adventure bike.
Thanks mate! It was very calm at speed so I found the same thing. Looking down and being surprised! Good to know! I told you before, us short guys make up the inches in other areas! (Normally waist size)
@@SamVBikes unfortunately I definitely pack the inches around my waist, although covid has helped with that lately 😂
I just got the low chassis. First adv bike after 35 years or sports bikes. Absolutely love it!!
Corr, I bet you feel like you're riding a leather reclining sofa after years on sportsbikes! Glad you love it!
Kool bike bro.. good thing you mentioned your height against the bike. Love to have the bike myself.
Thanks for watching!
Considering the GS has been reviewed by so many I think it was a fair balanced opinion
Thank you. It's a corking bike, but I don't think it's for me yet! Unless I get that Tuono 😂
Just subbed by the way and left 3 comments for the algorithm 😮😂
Hahaha! Now that is the kind of support we like to see! Thank you very much!
That is a beautiful bike
I think you made the right choice. The KTM is an absolute hooligan... but its a hooligan that does it all like you said. I'm 1250GS owner and its blast for the way I ride... but man that KTM. I like the looks of the KTM and the tech also. If I would have test rode one instead of the GS and probably be on one now. 2 year in on the GS... no issues not one, pushing 14,000 miles. I do all my own service, the GS is cheap to maintain and super easy to work on.... but I'm getting a little bored, so a KTM maybe in my future. Thanks for the video... cool channel.
Thank you! I think the same! The GS is an incredible bike, but for me I'd need a 2nd hooligan bike so I wouldn't get bored. Glad you've had no issues too! I can definitely see myself on a GS in the future but not just yet! Thanks for watching
A few weeks ago I was riding North on the A32 past Loomies being tailed by a GS, there’s a couple of nice straights with some twisties anyway I thought let’s see if he bites.
Think we were hovering around the 90 - 110 mark, I was on the ragged edge but the guy on the GS was quietly keeping up in a very controlled unhurried way - that’s why they cost nearly twice as much as a V Strom. If I had the money I’d buy one………nice bikes perfect for an old git like me.
That's exactly it! It does everything very well and going quick, it handles well and has plenty of grunt. Doesn't quite light the fire beneath me but I totally understand why people love them!
I guess your speedo reads in kph because being a responsible biker I am sure you wouldn't risk your licence on public roads!!!!!!
@@davidmeadows5665 Thanks, but save your advice for somebody who cares what you think, don’t include me in your moralising crusade I’m simply not interested
@@andrewshore262 It was meant to be humorous but hey ho...! ride safe
@@davidmeadows5665I wasn’t sure, shoot first ask questions later this is TH-cam 🤣……….apologies, a sense of humour bypass on my part
that is a really really nice ROAD motorbike.
I have the R1200 GSA 2018, and the quickshifter drove me nuts. After 5 months i finaly figured it out. Or the shifts got used to me. From 1st to 2nd gear you have to shift as soon a possible. Before hitting the 3000, i know it feels weird but it works. It know defies the reason for having a quickshifter. From second to 3rd you have to preload and shift around 4500. The rest of the gears work pretty flawless. I use the quickshifter now almost exclusively. Second i found the Akrapovic adding more excitement because of the popping sounds, its a lot less boring now. But certainly not as exciting as other bikes.
Ahh that makes sense. To be fair, my Super Adventure is similar in needing to work out the best place to use the quickshifter, but it seems to be a bit smoother in general. I'll give your technique a go next time I ride a GS! Yes that Akrapovic exhaust definitely sounds nice!
The thing is:- The 1200 GS or the 1250 GS , to me are not only beautiful bikes as they’re really the most reliable bikes that I had the pleasure of riding and owning. These are machines that in my opinion, inspires confidence . Never had any Ducati Multistrada, so I can’t talk about it.
But the problem is that, excepting that high torque zone of the engine, the bike lacks joy and consequently the rider too.
Don’t get me wrong, I had two GS’s the 2018 1200 R and the 2020 1250 R, and I now own a 2021 1250 RT model and I love the bike like I took a big pleasure to have the other two BMW that I’ve just mentioned. But the nit pick is that after a while if you don’t get them on the dirt or at the off-road trails, they become pretty unemotional ridding bikes. The reason why I make an exception for the RT is because after having everything heated you can put up the windshield and listen to the engine work very clearly as you’re riding it, and that gives me an exceptional pleasure. I never had a GSA, but people who have, say that we can achieve the equivalent pleasure of riding on the road and on the highway, similar to what I just mentioned that I feel riding the RT. The only thing that the KTM SDGT makes me, sometimes remember of the BMW GS, happens, when I get, “out of the blue”, a message of GENERAL FAILURE warning, or any other red flag message on the digital screen and it makes me wondering if I would go on a big tour with this marvelous machine or not.
Besides that, if the thrilling emotion of riding a two wheels machine with a 173 horsepower engine is not an important feature, my choice would be the 1250 cc BMW boxer engine, despite my conviction that it would be more close to perfection with some more horsepower pep. But definitely, the GS or the GSA are, as a whole, bikes of excellency and a lot of manufacturers should look up to it ( as I’m sure that they do) as a piece of art and engineering that those bikes are.
Thanks for the video. I’ll be looking forward to your next ones ✌️✌️
Very very well put! That's pretty much exactly what I think too. They are cracking pieces of kit and If I needed a bike for a job such as daily commuting etc, that's where they really begin to shine. For me, my Super Adventure is a GS but with that personality injected into it. I've never had an issue with it and I'm now 14k miles in. Very occasionally I get a preload warning on the dash but that only seems to be when I have the bike loaded up but I'm not sat on it. I assume because the bike can tell there isn't a rider, but it's heavier than no rider so it thinks there's an issue. All that takes is a turn ignition off, and turn back on, and it's gone! Great to hear you're enjoying the RT! I took one around Yosemite (vids more recently on the channel) and it was a fantastic thing. Absolutely ideal for what I needed to do on it! Thank you for watching and safe riding
@@SamVBikes thank you for replying. You’re truly a gentleman of a TH-camr. It rocks!🤙
No problem! Safe riding 💪🏼
Press the shock button and hold it and it will change from min to Auto. Only changes one thing at a time. If you want to go to max, go out of the menu and do it again.
Definitely the right decision. The best bike because it is just so versatile and lacks nothing. Neither in performance nor comfort or everyday utility. Basically the bike with which you can grow old. I ride the same model.
It sounds asthmatic to me...nonetheless, I get your drift. I suspect many of us question the bike we buy. Unfortunately we sometimes get it wrong (for me buying a Yamaha XVS650 'Dragstar' was a catastrophe) and on some occasions we get it spectacularly right (for me my Honda NC750-DCT)...
It's always a question in the back of our minds! My other half has a '17 plate NC750X and loves it. Absolutely bomb proof and does everything she needs!
well, I can't get enough of the sound the 650 V twin on my strom does in the underground garage I park it in. Every time I start that bike I physically feel the sound vibrations and it's also an amazing farewell at the end of the ride when I come back in. And that's with the stock pipe and ear plugs. I pondered the NC for a while but I chose the strom and it's the 1st bike I ever owned. I had recently a tracer 9 GT as a loaner bike (mine was receiving a nice Ohlins upgrade, front and rear :) ). Amazing machine but somehow ... it just didn't fit and I can go over the objective reasons why but I could have get used to those, yet there was something off that I just couldn't put my finger on. I actually felt rather silly with myself for not liking it more but ... yeah, nothing I can do about that.
5 degrees... damn. 🥶
In 2022 bmw sold 60000 gs1250a. There are guna be a few Monday morning models!
GS for me as you can get a factory low suspension version. Have had 2, and loved them. Being somewhat vertically challenged,with a KTM I need a pai of steps!!
Another fellow shorty! The KTMs of previous generations were way too tall for me too. The new Super Adventure with the tech pack means you can lower the rear preload! It's an awesome feature and means I can get my feet down easily! Thanks for watching
I'm just 5'6" and ride a 2018 1200GS. Standard suspension and with a comfort seat. I rode a sport touring for a number of years until it started hurting my wrists too much. Test drove a GS and after 10 meters knew it was for me. I had tried a 2020 MultiStrada, loved it too, a bit shorter, but never could figure out the weird mode settings. Plus the shaft drive made up my mind. Ah, the shaft drive. At 65 years old that plus the comfort and do it all capacity made the decision easy!!
I've got a 29" inside leg and have a 1290 sas, 2021, as Sam has said the previous ones were tall but these not.
Cool content as always! I've had a 1290 SAS 2022 since April and I had so much MTC failures/random limp modes! Same as your buddy with the s1000xr, spent more time at dealership than on the road (issues popped right after first service @ 1000km).
Couldn't agree more with you, comes with the ownership. Doesn't mean the brand sucks as a whole, could just be just bad luck, faulty/bad quality sensors due to covid in China & sourcing difficulties, multiplexing issues.
I decided to switch for a 1250GS triple black. I will miss that LC8 dearly :( especially if I happen to buy a faulty GS like your buddy's XR 😂I'm quite afraid of Austrian karma
Ahhh that's so annoying!!! Sorry to hear that. It's luck of the draw with these new bikes. Some are faultless for 50k miles, others have nothing but issues. Hope your GS works out to be faultless!
I owned two modern GS, and rode three others (hire bikes) all over the EU passes, The IoM and the UK. I made the mistake of riding a KTM.... :-) Agree with your thoughts - the GS is a lovely do-it-all bike...beautifully built and looks great. But the latest KTM SAS is just so much more fun.
Haha! I thought that was going to go a different way when you said you made a mistake 😂 both are awesome, the KTM is a GS but has just has sniffed some suspicious substances ha!
Dan, I heard the the 1250 GS will come down in price when BMW release the 1300 later this year, any ideas on release dates and models from the BMW Dealership?
I did a video on motorcycle recalls of 13 brands in the U.S. from 2016 thru 2021. BMW had the most recalls and 2nd most customer complaints over those almost 6 years.
It doesn't necessarily mean they are unreliable but it is an indicator of some recurring issues that aren't been being resolved quickly. The data comes from the NHTSA data base the monitors and tracks recalls on cars and motorcycles for the U.S.
Interesting to know! I'll have a look into it. I think the way BMW deals with the issues via customer service is great. Normally you can get a loan bike and they will get onto it immediately. Better than a number of other manufacturers. Thought it was worth a mention.
Thanks for watching
How did Triumph do? If you still have the video posted please send me the link.
@@craigfinnegan8534 th-cam.com/video/IIXvjl3ysBE/w-d-xo.html
Quick summary:
Some manufacturers had fewer recalls but had more complaints like KTM and Honda which may indicate they have a problem but are NOT issuing recalls when they should .
Some manufacturers are issuing more recalls than they have complaints and indicate they are proactive on addressing problems like Aprilia, Suzuki and Moto Guzzi.
Others like Triumph, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Royal Enfield are in the sweet spot of balancing recalls against complaints.
BMW is struggling with balancing a very high number of complaints and the most recalls. While Ducati also has a high number of recalls but pretty much middle road on complaints so they seem to be efforting to correct problem.
Harley also a high number of recalls but unlike Ducati their customer complaints are through the roof which suggest their handling of the recalls is poor from the customer's standpoint.
@@flatcapcaferacer Thanks for taking the time to write all that.
As a research-aholic, I'm fascinated by that kind of knowledge and I hope a decent amount of viewers read what you wrote also. God knows I'm constantly coming across questions about ownership issues on various forums. It's understandable when many guys could go broke on an $8,000 bike, much less a $24,000 bike (even without the issues after purchase).
As an interested non-expert, customer satisfaction surveys from one year to another seem to me equal parts predictable to unpredictable - some manufacturers are consistently low or high in ratings, while others rise and fall.
One of the most enlightening experiences I've had with researching ownership issues isn't online, but during a slow time in a (relatively) honest dealership that sold for three different manufacturers (KTM, Yamaha, Suzuki). The things both the salesman and the office manager told me were eye-opening, with customer stories to back them up. They slammed KTM on reliability, hard to work on, and warranty issues, praised Yamaha, and were wary about Suzuki. So to anyone reading this who wants it from the horse's mouth, find a dealership that's equal parts bored and honest, and don't look like you're ready to buy soon. It might just steer you away from bankruptcy and into wisdom.
Thanks again for the perspective, Moto-Bro. I'll check out your video.
@@craigfinnegan8534 thanks Craig. Initially I just spent a week gathering raw numbers and did a video on that but I started digging deeper on the complaints and recalls do get a better perspective.
So I did the 2nd video which is this link I sent that had the raw numbers but also some breakdown of where the recalls were occurring. I read the 2016 Consumer Reports motorcycle satisfaction survey years ago and I was surprised with some of their conclusions.
They asked an open ended question about "have you had a major problem with your bike in the past 3 years?" Not a bad question except they didn't define what a major problem was. If you bought a $25,000 BMW the customer might view an engine management light as a major problem whereas a owner of a $5000 Royal Enfield probably would not.
I did this because it interested me and made the video because maybe someone else might be interested.
The thing is you can ride a GS all day, do that on a tripple, revvy, viby , noisy bike and you will be knackered. That’s why for tours it’s the best imho
Yes very true. I suppose it depends on what you use the bike for. If you are always on trips, then it's perfect! The thing I love about my SAS is I can ride it all day in comfort, drop all my gear off, put it in sport mode, and it becomes an oversized SuperDuke R!
I test rode this bike before putting in an order on my 2022 KTM 1290 SAS. GS was my dream bike but it really let my expectations down. Coming from a KTM 790 Adv, it was very sluggish and noisy for me (both the engine and wind buffeting). My 1290 is much smoother, has better wind protection, more flickable, and $5k cheaper. It is not even a fair comparison. KTM wins!
Good to hear! Glad you went for the SAS! The GS is a phenomenal bike if its what you want in a bike. If you need a work-horse, it's probably unbeatable! But I love the KTM! It makes me smile all the time!
A boxer twin GS is always the right choice 😉
Happy with my '21 Triple Black TE, I'm a fair bit older than you so don't need to be scared by my bike 😉 .. my previous bike was a Triumph Tiger Sport and it's a great upgrade from that, though I did love my big cat 😊 Happy with the dealers and the great warranty, un-happy with the genuine, extremely expensive BMW accessories😬 hence the SW-Motech upper/lower crash bars ! Agree with you on the quick-shifter and I only use it in 3rd and above and the noise does get addictive ! On the reliability question I have heard of just as many having problems with there various KTM's and also the dealerships vary a great deal, lot of it's down to brand loyalty I think 😉 As long as we enjoy what we ride were all motorcyclists after all 👍
That is one thing I cannot fault, the BMW dealer network seems much more consistent than the KTM ones. My dealer is lovely and always helpful but many people message saying theirs are shockingly bad! The reliability I think is just unfortunate that its been that of TH-camrs and people I've spoken to, just thought it was worth a mention! If both bikes were to break down, at least you know the service youre gettung from BM! Thanks for watching and safe riding!
Great video, annoyingly good but lacks the asbo factor, kind of sums it up. Anyway , keeping my 890R Duke and swapping my Africa Twin for a new Triple black with gold spoked wheels for a bit of bling. Hopefully won't be needing the 3 year warranty/european breakdown cover. Due end of May.Keep the videos coming 👍
Thank you! That two bike Garage will be ideal. GS for everything practical and long journeys, and the 890R for the weekend toy! Perfect! Congrats on the new bike
having owned a gs then adventure s and currently patiently waiting on a new gs being delivered I would say the quick shifter is advised by bmw and many other manufacturers not to use in 1-2 or below 30-40. What i have liked about the ktm is the wheelies the noise the general nuisance factor but would say the quality of controls, buttons after sales and general ktm ish glitches is what’s put me back to bmw.
I have a feeling the new GS is going to make a big impact on the market! A few of the engineers reportedly said if you like the current one, you might not like the new one, so not sure if that's primarily the looks. The new model SAS seems to be far better on the glitch front, mines had nothing, but I know others have had some, albeit nothing besides a screen warning for the most part
I’ve a GS TE factory lowered cos I’m a shorty! Great capable and comfortable bike, maybe just too good and a bit soul less. I’m thinking of trading in for the new Suzuki S1000GT, doesn’t have all the gadgets but possibly a safer bet for running once out of warranty!
Good to hear! I've not ridden the suzuki yet but heard its meant to be a great bike. You might miss the Torque though!
Sat on one at the bike show, really wanted to like it, huge great bulky thing with like you say ,odd cylinders? Plus you can't get away from the fact its the XR 3i of the bike world!🤣
Haha! It's definitely worth having a ride if you haven't. You can barely notice the cylinder heads, but once you know they aren't even, I kept thinking about it ha!
@@SamVBikes your probably not old enough to remember XR 3i's , common as muck!🤣🤣👍🏻
I'm pretty sure my dad had one! Don't see them around now unless it's at a classic car show! Good condition ones go for way too much money!
@@SamVBikes great review by the way👍🏻 ride safe.
Appreciate it! Thanks for watching too! Ride safe bud
You have got to ride the GS in the Dynamic Pro mode! it's an entirely different bike with so much more power. It will blow you away!
I'll give it a go next time I ride one! Love how much modes can change a bike!
Yes
The GS is an awesome bike, but whilst your KTM still has it's fire breathing 160bhp V-Twin in it's frame, you made the right choice 👌🏼
Haha! Yeah I think so too 🙌🏼 thank you!
Great video Sam! Was curious what the handlebar mount is for the GoPro? Is the whole thing a RAM mount? Curious more on what the base is called that mounts to bars. Thanks.
Cheers bud! Yes it's a ram mount with their tough claw mount that they sell. You can probably get cheaper versions tbh but it works pretty well!
@@SamVBikes Great! Thank you Sam. Keep up the great work!!
Love my GS
Test rode one today. It’s not buffeting, but it’s very windy.
Agreed!
It's not the quickshifter, it's the torque. Plus you don't use it right. 1st to 2nd, use clutch, then make sure you are accelerating for upshifts. Don't idle along and use a quickshifter.
love your video. would you mind recording in 60fps please?
Thank you. I can try changing up frame rate. My reasoning for lowering is to save space on the SD cards as on trips it takes a number of cards. Also I tend to prefer the more natural motion blur of 24/25fps
The best sound imitation at 5:50😅
😂😂 it's my only talent
Mistake *Sam Vincent?* I don't know. _BUT_ just make sure you get an extended warranty or sell the BMW R1250GS and or BMW boxer engine designs when their warranty is almost over. Being super technical, complicated, and over engineered *_if/when you have a problem it will be expensive._* This is the main reason there are a lot of used 2 to 3 year old BMW motorcycles - their warranties were expiring & the owner knew what was what.
God bless
The mistake question was should I have bought a 1250GS instead of my KTM 1290 Super Adventure. I agree though, make sure you have a bike in warranty and most problems should be covered! Thanks for watching
@@SamVBikes No problem. _Of note:_ if BMWs are super technical, complicated, and over engineered if/when you have a problem it will be expensive:
Then the KNOWN TO BE super technical, complicated, and over engineered KTM 1290 Super Adventure make very sure to not only get a extended warranty prepare yourself to have the KTM in the shop getting fixed more than actually riding it.
I am speaking from experience have bought *_"in the past"_* 3 BMW motorcycles. I am not brave enough to risk hard earned money on a KTM. That right I am not rich or well off but very happy back to buying reliable bikes.
God bless.
Picking up my Triple Black this week. Ordered one after spending a couple of days riding one in Spain. Will be saying goodbye to S1000RR MSport. Very excited.
Ahh wow! Will be a big change from the RR! Congrats on the new bike bud
@@SamVBikes aye…quite a few people are “a bit” surprised…but fancy a real change and liked it so much when I rode it for a couple of days…I had to buy one
Haha! Both are amazing bikes, but the GS will give you such a range of uses which is hard to ignore!
@@SamVBikes and I was talking to some yesterday at Thruxton BSB who took his Adventure on track and upset a few superbike owners when they got overtaken 😆. Knee down photograph too…it can be done!
Haha! Much more satisfying overtaking a superbike when you've got your heated seat on 😂
I have his sibling, the 750 GS. This big boy will be my next.
That will be a nice upgrade!
After one year and 15000km i sold de 1250gs because it was boring to ride... Now i have the s1000xr and after 4000km i can Say that was the right step. For mee the XR is the better bike 🍻 it makes more fun and it is also a bike for touring but it's more sporty, better suspension and the Motor is a dream🍻
Good to hear! Glad you're happy with your step too!
and what about going off-road ? 🤣
Brought one yesterday ... same as this.
Congratulations!
Hi thanks for the video, I'm a first time viewer of yours and have subscribed.
I have to take issue with you though on one point and that is reliability. Like you I have heard many tales of woe from BMW riders and personally I don't think it is acceptable at all. Don't get me wrong I love beemers, I've been driving BMW's for over 20 years and never had any serious issues with any of them, so why should the bikes be any different? As you say they are a high end product that people pay a lot of money for, so I would expect the engineering and reliability to be reflected in that price tag. After all the Japanese manufacturers manage to do it for much less money. I would love to own a GS or maybe even an RT but there would always be that doubt in my mind over reliability and that is what stops me. So until they get it sorted I for one will be sticking to Yamaha a brand that has given me total reliability for over 30 years.
Thanks again and keep up the good work! 👍
Morning Andy! Thank you for the subscribe!
I agree with you! I really don't understand how premium bike manufacturers can have so many issues with their bikes. KTM, BMW, Ducati, Triumph etc all do but it seems something we have to put up with!
I know that there are only a handful of people from a huge number who get the unresolvable issues, but it seems that almost every premium bike has a number of recalls or small issues which could have been ironed out in testing. I can only assume that the budgets for testing and development isn't anywhere near as high as the cars due to volume of sales. Still... it's incredibly irritating when you spend knocking on £20k on a bike for it to have simple unforeseen issues!
Having said that, I know a few of the brands famed for their poor reliability are making a concerted effort with each new model they bring out so we can only hope that it gets better!
Thank you for watching and ride safe!
Hello and thank you for another great and good R1250GS test, but I don't know if I understand correctly that the S1000XR 2020 model often fails, including suspension. I'm interested because I ordered a new S1000XR from a dealer, but I haven't heard of any major defects before. Please write more details. Regards Robert
Hi Robert, it may just be coincidence but 2 people I know have had electrical issues, and The Likeable Rider had his rear shock replaced after it failed. I haven't looked into it too much, but BMW seem to handle any issues well
@@SamVBikes Thank you very much for your answer and I wish you more and more great real motorcycle tests because there aren't many of them. See you on your youtube channel. All the best.
No problem! Thank you for watching and safe riding!
Hell yeah, the BMW is amazing…
What is the seat height of this bike?
No chain lube needed to create “the bike is on fire” look 😂I’ve had four back to back GS’s and GSA’s and never had a single issue over +100,000 miles. No one posts that on forums because it’s dull reading. The Telelever is best - end of. I am fortunate enough to have a Hypermotard for hooligan riding mode.
Haha! Glad you've had a faultless experience! Jealous of the Hypermotard! Those things are crazy!
I bought the R/T 2022...no regrets but it is too nice to take off road...
You'd be very brave to take that off road! Haha
It's not a quick shifter!, as the BMW Blurb its a "gear shift assist"pretty useless in first 2 gears only it came on my last two GS's I wouldn't bother with it. The suspension is best left in AUTO and toggle between road and Dynamic, Min is for vertically challenged and Max is for 7 ft Germans.
I have had 5 GS since 2004 done nearly 100k miles (combined) and not 1 Problem, but all things mechanical can fail as we know. It really is down to personal choice what bike lights your candle there's a bike for everybody but you have to credit BMW for pushing the bar high that all others aspire to beat them !.
Agreed! I think if BMW hadn't pushed this bike further each year, we wouldn't be seeing such a competitive market from the other manufacturers! Glad you've been problem free!
God dang it, you making me NOT want to change my BMW r1250gs for something else... :)
Haha! It's a corking bit of kit so I'm not surprised!
I've recently bought my 1st GS1250 TE coming from an xr1000 and previously an s1000r nearly bought the KTM but poor part ex put a stop to that
Congrats on the new bike! A good deal on part ex can make a massive difference in decision, especially when these bikes are so close in competition!
@@SamVBikes Thank you I am totally enjoying it as its a do it all very well type of bike and picks it's heels up when needed to. My mate was one of the first to buy a ktm 1290 like yours and had a problem with the wheels , we were in Wales and he went down a pothole in the road and snapped one wheel and dented the other and was surprised like I was that KTM were not interested in replacing them he ended up sourcing a pair from the previous model at his own cost
Thats a shame to hear about your mates bike! KTMs are really hit and miss with the dealer support which is annoying!
Mode button adjusts the suspension settings along with engine, traction, abs.
As is possibly elsewhere in the comments, to change the suspension it's simply click up on suspension switch, then click again to choose min auto max.
As per other comments, I'm not quite sure where this unreliability factor around the GS is coming from, other than (its true) the ESA. I've owned two GSs and frequented the GS forum for the past 6 years, and I'm not seeing it. Some talk about paint finish, but you get that a lot about other bikes and brands as well, and you sometimes have to (possibly not fairly) question how the finishes have been looked after, intentionally or otherwise.
Yes! I worked it out after a few minutes but it wasn't incredibly clear. Just was worth noting most people would need showing how to change it, rather than it being self-explanatory.
Regarding the reliability - it was more a comment on a few people I know of, and have seen in social media seem to be having issues with the bikes breaking down, having faults with start up etc. I go into it more toward the end about it likely being just coincidence that they have been in the media/people I know. Any bike of this level and with this much tech will no doubt be some issues as there is a huge amount to go wrong. BMW tend to deal with these problems pretty quickly so I doubt many would jump on the forums to vent as it get's resolved.
Thanks for watching!
@@SamVBikes Agree with/understand all that! I thought it was a very balance review and gave a sense of the GS on-road experience. Enjoyed it. Happens that you also rode the best looking version and colour as well :-) And whilst I'm a GS rider I very much understand and appreciate why others would go for the adv1290 (or indeed the MS).
Thank you bud! I do love the GS, but It's not crazy enough for me yet! If I could afford a 2nd bike that scares me at the weekend, it would definitely be one of my first choices! Thanks for watching!
I think the reliability thing is a % game.
when you have the biggest selling bike in the country for the Last 15 years I suppose a few breakdowns is the normal.
Very true. % might be exactly the same or lower, but much higher volume of bikes. Good point
Would love to hear the comments as I have an F 800 GS Trophy at the moment and I would appreciate some heads up on the new Triumph Tiger 1200 GT or PRO, I have a test drive planned in next week on both just see how they perform. What’s your experience with the Tiger ? Any pros or cons our willing to share would be appreciated
I am yet to get my leg over the new Tiger 1200 because I've been so busy, but have ridden the 900 Rally Pro and GT Pro. They are fantastic bikes. I'd be wary of the explorer being too top heavy, but in general I think they will sell very well. Look for a review by Tim Rodie, he's done a very comprehensive vid on it!
Also the GS is a few grand more than the 1290 and hasn't got adaptive cruise control.. I've owned 3 GS s and I'm now in my second 1290 sa....the KTM is much more fun and always brings a smile to my face..
Very good point! I reckon the Adaptive cruise is coming on the teased 1300GS though!
I owned a 22 1290 SAS. And was sick at my decision. Traded it for a 1250 GS. And am so much happier. The KTM was like an assembly of really good parts acting together as a machine. The GS was just so much more refined and like a single unit. It’s just better choice , for me. Plus I love the shaft drive and the low weight of the boxers. Not to mention , the hot heads of the ktm cooking my inner legs.
The shaft drive would be a welcome addition! I don't have any issue with heat on the legs, unless I've got the heated seat on haha! Both are awesome bikes, but I think I just need a bike that scares me a little haha! Thanks for watching
No ASBO factor could help save your licence with Plod. A GS can rock past at velocity and it seems to have less drama than in line fours for obvious reasons. My new 2022 GSA Rallye is getting built in Berlin and arrives first week in March yahooo!!
Agreed! And the lack of diving from the suspension helps to look innocent when you slam on the brakes because you see plod in the distance haha! Congrats on the new bike!
@@SamVBikes ha ha thanks man, this will be my 4th GS, chopping in a K1600GT which was the dogs but need back to GS land for all my camping kit. Great review, very accurate and helpful
Nice! Love the Rallye colours too! Look awesome. Thank you! And thanks for watching 👍🏼
i had a 2019 1250gs, now own a KTM 1290 sas, i think if there are issues BMW will offer better service, KTM more fun
Agreed, I'd rather have problems with a BMW as you know the service you will get. My KTM dealer is very good, but I know people have issues with theirs all over!
Unless you plan on getting a ducati v4s then I think you made the right choice!
His bike I assume is a KTM sa?
Had three but now ‘downsized’ to a 950 Multi V2S, so much better for road use. Lighter, sounds far better and a quick shifter that works at all revs, to be honest I wouldn’t have another, the Multi is a far better ownership experience.
Ah amazing! I do love the look of the Multi V2. Yet to have a ride on one! Glad you're happy with your choice. Makes for such a nicer experience if you enjoy the full experience
Can you flat foot the full size version? I'm 5'10 and can't.
This was the full size version and I was able to flat foot. I think the seat was in the lower position though