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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ย. 2024
- was brushy bill roberts really billy the kid? this video looks at several morphs of photos of the kid into photos of brushy. i do not claim any ownership of the images and music contained herein; i only 'share' these images to fulfill my own selfish agenda, which is to be known as the great edutainer to the lowly masses, aka 'you people.' God bless.
this would be nice without the Music!!
Truly annoying and distracting.
Or with blaze of fucking glory man. Come on!
The music does not match the subject.
According to the documentary on Unsolved Mysteries, he was drawn out from obscurity and didn't seek publicity. He knew things that only somebody who was there during the Lincoln County War would have known that didn't make the history books.
They were one and the same. People who knew the kid back in 1881 came forward and said Brushy was indeed the kid. Also, Brushy knew things only the kid could've known. There's too many things that support Brushy's story. And people gotta remember, Brushy didn't come out and just say "Hey I'm Billy The Kid". He was drawn out.
BS!
Ole Bill was 5, 8" tall same as billy, speaked spanish "as well as any native" (according to morrison and others) had blue eyes, was confirmed by 5 living friends, three in writing, had "his distinctive blue eyes) And the exact same scars and then some. He supposedly had the same walk to hime, though slower and more choppy and shuffled, and i have watched EXTREMELY extensive disprover videos and read TOO MANY papers, and to pull an ancient aleins, not gonna say it's him, but it's him. Ta-Ta
I AlwAys Believed it was him Brother, I wish they would do A DNA but we need to mAke sure thAt the Brushy Bill supporters are present at the DNA testing becAause even if it's proven that the DNA results are A match the disbelievers will still try to say the results was negative
This isn't about Billy the Kid...
It's a Music video... that is all you can hear...
The Editing of the video is great... just wished
the music would have been the same...
In fact NO Music would have been better.
Well this settles it Brushy Bill and Emelio Estevez are the same person.
Linda H wait I thought Emilio Estevez was the real Billy the Kid and was reincarnated. Lol
Linda H i was thinking the same thing. The pix of young BTK looks just like emilio estevez
lol
Linda H they pick a good guy to play him
LOL! That's exactly what I was thinking
why the hell do you all have to have absolute crap loud screaming music on your cl;ips. Trying to concentrate on anything is hopeles with that crap.
dude the music sucks the big one
yea it does
Not as good as your mom does!!!!!!
sorry, left when the music overshadowed your "edutain"ment!!
the posse sent to kill him, were running out of time, they had just killed somebody in another county which wasn't necessarily law-friendly. and billy was en route to mexico. their options were running out. they just wanted it over. the death report was lost that same day. no affidavits were filed. garrett never got paid the reward money, instead reaping his fame and fortune from the book deal. nearly everyone admitted in private, an entirely different story, even giving dates he had visited.
Dude!! Brushy had ALL the same traits, mannerisms, jester, ect... he had ALL the same wounds the kid did. And then some. People who knew the kid and meet brushy bill were willing to testify that they were the same people. He was the kid!!!!!!! R.I.P kid/brushy.
I believe brushy is indeed billy. Even billy said pat garret killed his buddy & not him. I saw a video years ago where he supposedly came out of the dessert with a pack anemal around 1950 or so claming to be the kid. This guy could indeed be him. He knew the right answers that folks of current hgistory denie. I say it;s him!
This music doesn't go good with this video.
Stupid distracting music, if you can call it that, totally inappropriate for a western scene.
Unless I'm wrong I used to see the old man buy mexican sweet bread at the bakery my mother used to work at in El Paso.
I have idolized Billy the Kid since I was 12 and he will always be my hero
I have read three good books!
I would loved to have been able to watch this, but the music was so loud. Some idiot ruined a possibly great video.
There's not really any reason to believe Brushy wasn't The Kid.
The thing is, if they had met him seventy years earlier, then of course they wouldn't know him. But if they had kept in touch (which would be the only way severo and hines would have mentioned him) than they could have still remembered eachother
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A university ran Brushy's face through an FBI facial recognition program and it was a 93% match to Billy. Note this is even after Brushy had dental work done and the tintype of Billy was warped. Without those issues it would likely have been an even closer match, but 93% is enough to hold up in court AND his was the only face that matched Billy's!
What band is covering the Ozzy song? Never mind, got it.
Who sings the song in the video?
I strongly recommend that folks read w.c. jameson's ebook with brushy's actual statements and story, befor commenting against him with 'info' from the haters' pages... they don't equally know as much about the real evidence. for example they claim he was wrong when he said john selman was there. now it appears he signed a petition to wallace in 1877. nobody thought he was there EXCEPT brushy. how do you explain that?
Or the dentist,the bullet under the skin in the same place as Billy,detailed knowledge of people's homes that was torn down before his interview.🙂
No proff exists that the kid was killed. He said she said is nothing more then speculation and truth be known the people who claimed he was dead were his allies and the law. Allies lied so Billy could disappear and the law lied because they couldn't let the public know they killed the wrong man. Pat was the kids greatest friend and they were blood brothers who saved each other's lives more then once. Do you honestly believe Garret would have killed Billy? I really doubt he did.
What is with the MUSIC???
Not necessary
The music made me mute this. Wtf
Cant hear the narration for the loud music.
. At a glance, the tintype of Billy and the photo of the younger Brushy didn't look the same until I looked at both images carefully. The whole face-the shape, as well as his chin, etc, match up almost perfectly, I could tell it was probably the same person, yet a little older. The eyes are similiar, yet in the tintype, Billy's eyes were half shut-he actually looked drunk or something-really. Also Pat Garret's own daughter & grandson claimed that Pat didn't kill the Kid, as well as some of the details that Brushy gave out about the Lincoln Co. affair, etc., that only a few researchers knew, allegedly. Not to mention scars, etc. I think there is a strong possibility that Brushy was indeed Billy The Kid. If you have read what Brushy had to say, and if it was absolutely true, he did have quite a remarkable life....GO REGULATORS!!!
Brushy photo the early one compared to main Billy photo match with computer software something like 96% and photos of definitely the same person most of the time don't give those percentages its all in the latest book on this topic and on docs online with the academic research to back up the claims.
Not to mention its not as if Brushy Bill appeared all of a sudden claiming to be BTK it only came to light after Frank Evans (i think) told an insurance salesman that BTK was living in Hico under the name Brushy Bill roberts. What would Evans gain by saying that i firmly believe BB and BTK are one in the same
Music got in the way. Otherwise, pretty good video.
It is absurd and ridiculous to think that Brushy Bill was Billy the Kid: I'm Billy the Kid.
You too! Lol
Who gives a shit?
Then contact the world record people 'cause you're older than Moses! ;)
Lol hell yeah
The face bone structures really do not match. The chines are not the same, the nose is also off.
Please take the music out and re-upload,can't hear a dang thing..
93 percent facial recognition between The tintype and brushy Bill
What about the other gent? Supposedly he'd confided in his family that he was The Kid, and they didn't come fourth about it until his death. Supposedly he had the scars, the knowledge, spoke Spanish fluently. There was also supposed to be this chest that contained hard evidence he was The Kid, but it was never retrieved.
that trash music noise does not fit the time of the old west or anything else. I am shutting this off for good.
left due to the music - 9 years read the comments....
Right on, it's actually plausible that Pat Garret put BTK at the top of his list after becoming sheriff to actually help him get away, knowing that BTK in fact wasn't you're typical thug, in an attempt to say he was dead and prevent others from hunting him down. It's an interesting topic but people fail to focus on the obvious, he was in a hometown hardware store dispute, not a bank or train robber or thief of any kind, not a threat to the public. The term 'outlaw' doesn't even really fit.
Looks like Emilio Estevez. I think ultimately it'll turn out BTK was the most photographed person in history.
Old West history with this kind of song¡??? kiss my ass
just because a place becomes a town at a given year doesnt mean it didn't exist before that.
i watched one documentary where the guy conclusively said that at the time of the lincoln county trouble there were only 402 people in the whole county,that means coming and going to old mexico and hiding would have been no problem,a guy like billy could get away with murder no problem,and slip away,he could have went to texas easily and restarted under and assumed name and probably did, anyone would've
Its possible that Butch Cassidy did too and even Jesse James to a lesser degree though.
There was a crazy dude who always rode an old timey bicycle in my NC town when I was a kid. 35 now. Everyone called him Billy the Kid because he said Billy the Kid held him as a baby (which probably wasn't possible even with his age) unless! Billy survived. Haha! But yeah he said William H. Bonnie's spirit was in him. He was... Something else. Eh. No matter. Long live Emilio! May he not catch Charlie's crudness.
Kandi Thompson which part of North Carolina? I'm from North Carolina too
@@sweetness00734 Im from North Carolina also. Statesville, Nc
what's with music?
eventually garrett DID get paid the reward money but not 'til after he had done a huge job selling the 'fact' that the kid had been killed.
I don't know if he was BTK or not,but several people that knew Brushy stated they heard him speak Spanish fluently. The day of the hearing he was having a stroke and couldn't hardly speak English,much less Spanish.
The governor in having all the enemies there and bushy having a stroke should be held responsible 2 yr prison term
Why the music? The narrative gets lost.
Was billy actually a kid and was Roberts actually brushy....that is the question ....I had an uncle who claimed he was Elvis....even signed a record for me....Jesus I miss the jetsons
I WAS DRINKING WITH BIG FOOT AND ELVIS LAST NIGHT IN MY ATTIC
no u did not.they were with me.
@johnbo48 (cont.)forget about dna but brushy should be exhumed anyway,cause science can easily tell if he was 70 or 90 when he died.this would put the whole question to bed 1way or another.but i understand he spoke clear spanish to hispanics on several occasions.i dont think he was trying to get famous.its the evidence found NOW in support of BB which have my interest.texas courts have said he had a 'substantial claim' and this should be investigated.if the exhumation says age 70,i'll step back.
to me, brushy's version of events, if true, are a much bigger deal historically, sociologically and psychologically than the accepted history. brushy's billy takes us much further into that scene, having taken place in about 20 states and 4 or 5 countries, with belle starr, the james', pinkerton, judge parker and other notables. this is not as farfetched as some may think.the west was actually quite small with many 'highly mobile' individuals ala kit carson,scheffelin,etc.
One major problem. The Authenticated photo of Billy the Kid is a mirror image of him. That means you would have to reverse his photo before making the comparison. In this case they haven't done that. You know the photo of the Billy the Kid is a reverse photo because of the winchester rifle, the loading port is on the wrong side of the rifle in the photograph. horrible music
Right on, I consider it very hard to believe a person who vowed to get BTK would feel it better to write a book as proof as opposed to simply taking a death photo, which was very customary at the time. I feel Garrett was smart enough and obviously wanted the notoriety enough, if in fact it was BTK to make sure a photo was taken, yet somehow he didn't? Not saying Brushy is BTK, just that it's 'plausible' (to me) BTK may have lived the inconspicuous life it seemed he wanted all along
you hit the heart of the argument against roberts, the dalton issue and the age are nagging questions that need to be resolved. the dalton association, while suspicious, may have alternate explanation. they really need to exhume and examine brushy for age. to me the whole question rests here. thanks.
That authenticated picture of
good observations. thanks. we're gonna try doing another clip soon, which takes a wider overview of the whole argument, not just the photos.
Everyone knows Emilio Estavez was Billy kid.
Lol , left THE video right when the music started, lol whos the smart one lol sheesh
experts familiar with the daguerreotype process always knew about the mirror image thing, they even look at which side a man's buttons are on to generally tell.but the knowledge was so uncommon in the general public til the internet.brushy seemed to imitate the tintype pose from memory,with correct orientation.yes paul newmans film'left handed gun' came out nearly 2decades after brushy posed.so it still wasnt a well known fact. continued
drop the music
@KesslersCross ... thanks for the comment. i agree, morphing (to some degree) can be manipulated, and just this side of that concept is the possibility that morphs can also be misinterpreted.i ran out of space in this post, i'll send another one explaining MY analysis process.
about the 'only pic:' there is only one photo considered by history and known through time as billy.that doesn't mean there aren't others.he was actually quite photogenic.i'm running out of reply space,look for next post.
2:00 Brushy's photo is being tilted to match Billy's. This is being done to make it match. Otherwise the chins are different. At 2:19, I'm not sure why Brushy's photo is tilted again.
Brushy's stories are believable however his pictures are clearly not.
I'm not sure what computer comparisons have been made.
The music should be lowered.
Billy the kid was not left handed. The TinType shows a reverse image that made his holster look to be on his left side when it was really on his right.
If you love the idea of Billy riding off in the sunset check out the movie Old Henry great movie . As far as what happen in Fort Sumner , I do believe that Garrett shot the wrong Billy ( Barton ) or something like that. But could not admit to it and used it as a cover up.
The thing is everyone claims Billy the Kid got killed by Pat Garrett but the thing is we will never truly know where he got killed or where he's buried maybe someday someone that is very smart we'll figure it out. Billy the Kid always be the greatest outlaw of all time no one has ever been better than him those are my opinions and I don't care what other people think
agreed. its amazing how complex this situation was. the politics around billy's 'death' were HUGE. new mexico was ruled by military contractors who got rich selling beef to the army in the war of 1861. they didnt want a populace; they didnt want conventional law. i don't believe early accounts of BTK's brutality; the papers were owned by the cattlemen. billy was a target & conducted himself accordingly. he didnt deserve the death sentence of an elite who were angry at a growing story about the victims they were making. maybe someday someone very persistent will figure it out, if bulletproof evidence somehow miraculously surfaces. its getting less likely every day. but yea he got a bad rap.
basically what you said,from the e-book 'billy the kid:the lost interviews' 2009, w.c. jameson: "...Though colorful and legendary, Billy the Kid may be one of the
most overrated outlaws in Western history. The Kid was adept at stealing
cattle and horses, but as rustlers go he and his companions were small
time operators..."
What makes BTK an outlaw is not based on stealing cattle, it was the fact that he was fighting for what was just.
actually both BTK and brushy were ambidextrous. brushy said he could shoot slightly better lefthanded, which could have contributed to the 'lefthand gun' myth.
Let's try this without the music
brushy is billy the kid,theirs no doubt..And pat garrett was in on it,they prob split the reward money.
Damn music
This only confirms it for me thank you😊🙂
between the photos, the information brushy gave in the interviews, and a giant stack of circumstantial evidence, either brushy was BTK or the devil is afoot.... big time...
And the reason for the ridiculously annoying music is?
Those photos look nothing alike. The mouth and chin... you don’t acquire a square jaw through the aging process. Brushy Bill has a square jaw and and very pronounced chin. Billy the kid does not.
thats what i thought, then we noticed in pt.2 that a number of closely matching images had wide wrists, foreshortened hands and a very long proximal phalanx of the fingers, as he appears to have in the famous tintype and the deAragon photo.
we're working on 'brushy the kid returns' which looks at abunch of other types of evidence, both for and against brushy's story. check out the trailer we posted recently under 'brushy the kid returns.'
It’s a known fact people didn’t have to start showing proof of who they was until the midd 90’s . So pretty much you could be whoever you wanted to be.
Brushy Bill must of had a good plastic surgeon. He looks 70 and not 90. Also his jaw, chin, mouth and eyes changed.
that video with the pack animal was called young guns II,it handed the subject to the public en masse.when interviewed brushy didn't simply answer,but at times held morison off when he had something more involved to say on matters.his story when dovetailed with existing knowledge,provides a curious informational brew,and yes he COULD be btk.i've indulged the brushyhaters lately and found their 'smoking gun evidence' while compelling was just more of the circumstantial type.keep looking.
I believe it that he is the billy the kid
DNA on Brushy was done. Sorry but his claim to be Billy was false
Can you prove that I would like to see it
There was never any DNA done on Brushy. There was DNA taken from John Miller.
BS, The ears are way the hell off. Like the horrible music.
why the music.
music isnt looad enough
If you notice that in the picture of Billy the Kid the one eyebrow is higher than the other. They are not symmetrical. If you were to fold the picture in half the eyes would line up but the eyebrows will not. It looks like the bone structure beneath the eyebrows are offset. In the picture of Brushy Bill the eyes and eyebrows are even with each other. If you were to fold the picture of Brushy Bill in half the eyes and eyebrows would line up with each other. To me Brushy Bill is not Billy the Kid.
But if Billy the Kid had some plastic surgery performed on his face to hide from the authorities then it's possibly could be. Did Brushy Bill acknowledge that he had plastic surgery done on his face?
Lol read the kindle Billy Brushy latest and don't try to think .
Lose the music. Jeez!
Thumbs down. Background music incredibly annoying just couldn't take it.
Turn off the goddamn music and I might watch it
I know for a fact Brushy Bill Roberts is Billy the Kid after I saw Young Guns II in 1987, the year my 107 yr old cousin died who used to play cards with Pat Garret and Pat never trusted his own family with his secret, my cousin was 20 yrs younger than Billy and held that secret that Pat never killed Billy until he was 100 and positive the kid was not 120 and the secret could be told but I am the only one telling it, as I am the only one that knows the actual truth, Pat and Billy were friends, why would he kill his friend that was fighting against the ring for true freedom, JJ. Hagerman despised the Freemasons and made JP Morgan very wealthy on the promise the Brotherhood would not to bankrupt him but they did anyway in 1893 when he was trying to turn the Desert green with his and Pat's irrigation projects and dams for new immigrants and Texas wanted the oil the veins in Texas were pointing towards under New Mexico so they cut off his funding source with the Sherman Silver Purchase Act. Once Hagerman who owned 51% of the first National Bank died in 1909, then they could come up with the Federal Reserve In 1907, the U.S. faced a worldwide financial crisis called the Panic of 1907. New York investment bankers caused the Panic of 1907 by trying to corner the copper market. The failed attempt to squeeze the market crashed the market and led to a run on the banks. Until this time, the public was staunchly against a central bank. However, J.P. Morgan loaned his money to bail out the New York banks again and public sentiment loosened. The public began calling for banking reform and a growing consensus for a centralized bank. On December 23, 1913, President Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act into law, and the Federal Reserve was born. (panic of 1873 It was caused by overspeculation and overexpansion in the Monopoly Board railroad industry and other sectors, as well as the sale of government bonds to European investors, they continue Causing it, reacting to it then solving it) The more things change, the more they stay the same. Give Brushy Billy the Kid a pardon!
"Even billy said pat garret killed his buddy & not him."
Wat.
BTK didn’t say anything because he died July 14, 1881.
@@BlackbirdSpecOps No, BTK is alive and well in prison for the Wichita murders
Real billy looks more like sylvestr stallone as a child than brushy as an old man. Look the jaw and chin between 2 man's not the same positioning, look his eyes, the color also.
Wait a minute. The only KNOWN picture of Billy the Kid is the one where's he's leaning on his rifle. Whose picture did did you morph into Brushy Bill? That alone forces me to call .... bullshit.
Billy the kid died in 1881, the official photo looks nothing, i repeat nothing like Brushy bill young or old, other photos of people from that time match up much better.
Brushy bill was a guy who had a hardon for billy even self inflicting wounds on him self to match billy's, sad but true.
Billy always had the luck on his side because he had a pice of the Barney stone in his shirt left pocket
The real Billy had a totally pear-shaped head with pointiest Irish chin and ears which he could fly with. Square chin? Nope.
emilio est must have had a helluva chuckle about this bs
Brushy Bill's chin is shorter than the Kid's and he has a different eye shape. Different age too.
thanks for the comments. i wanted to take you on on some of these statements but theyre mostly addressed in the investigative series we're preparing now. i don't want to generate my own spoiler :0)}
i will say this, that the claim that 'there was no buffalo gap' works way against the brushyhaters.
Unsolved Mysteries with Robert Stack was such a great show. Wish we could see reruns of it. It would be great if we could get updates on the stories.
I would like to think that Billy the Kid wasn't murdered by the asshole Garrett, but I don't see any real evidence to the contrary. I think the poor kid got a bum rap.
Look at the picture of a young Roberts folks, that does not even resemble the tin type. No freaking resemblance
On the second picture you analyzed, the most famous One, I'm sorry but I just don't see it. The picture we know to be Billy the Kid has a much longer chin, at least that's the way it looks to me. Of course I could be wrong but that's how it looks to me.
They tried to tell us Kristofferson was btk lol