Thuli Mandosela on land expropriation without compensation
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- Thuli Mandosela weighs in on the public hearings on land expropriation and why the debate needs to be more nuanced to address social justice in South Africa.
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I see another Zimbabwe on the way unfortunately.
Yeah.... Am white and i say so
Cici Mandonsela is very charming and highly intellectual. Its a pleasure to hear her say anything. One of the most Affable personalities ever.
Not the faintest idea how a modem, productive farm economy works!
Thuli Mandosela for PRESIDENT.
Nawe uDakiwe golo Lenja
💯👍💯💯
Damn Tuli Madonsela should run for the next President.
Udakiwe Msunu kanyoko
You are dom... because she is calm doesn't mean she can run the country.
To say 'one doesn't think so' means zero to me. Two thirds majority in a democracy changes everything, particularly when the vast majority don't have much to begin with, education is poor and people gullible enough to believe the fodder they are given. One was hoping for a better education system but after 24yrs it is worse, people are unemployed, trade unions ensure that South Africa has the most expensive labour in the world and constant striking by said unions and introduction of many many holidays ensure poor production. Added to that, lack of accountability and corruption by government makes a mockery of what ever decent law abiding hard working citizens are trying to achieve financially for their family's future. I have gotten to the point where I, as a South African Citizen do not believe anything government representatives say, even those who have excellent reputations. To say one doesn't think does not bring me succour.
Mary Du Plessis its way better then apartheid for majority of the country clearly to you apartheid was better
thabo thubelihle better how? Do you think that all whites liked apartheid? When apartheid ended we moved into a different era where racism is not a factor. It is due to people like you who keep it alive. Maybe you are one of those individuals who would prefer to keep on beating the same drum. The fact is that South Africa is worse off than it was primarily because of the government's inefficiency and corruption. Why not be proactive and ensure the positive progress of our country by voting for people who are going to make a difference. When I mean a difference I mean, a government that ensures that the education our children receive is first world education so we can have engineers, scientists, accountants etc. Without education the vast majority will remain poor. Have a government that encourages investment, not scare it away. Your minor statement only indicates to me that you answer to my dialog is the race card. Give a substantial reply. I am proud and it is okay to be a white South African, likewise each ethnic group is entitled to feel pride. Dealing the race card means absolutely nothing and is a cop out as it provides no solution.
What government is worse are u talking about I grew up in Tugella fairy in msinga a rural area I have seen and lived through poverty. The government is no Saint but if I showed u the improvements of that place in the past 10 years u would be shocked so don't compare this uncomplete democracy with apartheid coz apartheid was far worse .. we have a lot of educated poor black men and women but the economy sits with the minority .there is no perfect way to take the land back when farmers/owners don't want to share or even acknowledge past injustice. U see white people now claiming they were in southern Africa before black people which makes me wonder why forgiveness was given to people who have no desire to live in a equal society but want to remain kings in a historically foreign land .. imagine blacks owning 70percent plus as less then 10 percent population in a European country white people would wipe us out like they have throughout history . We don't have to agree but u can't have political freedom without economic freedom and call it complete
thabo thubelihle actually, the economy is geared towards employing blacks. BEE. Clearly you do not possess all the facts. It is the current 'incomplete' government who has destroyed this country. Also Forget about stuff that happened hundreds of years ago. Life sucks but winners move on. You can't change the past. Fastest way down is to continuously be looking back. I don't own land. I too am disadvantaged but willing to put my shoes on for tomorrow. And when the elections come I too will make my cross. I at least understand that to take land from one person to give to another without compensation is theft and I simply do not feel easy with anyone saying 'I think'. I want a clear answer as to what will happen and not what someone thinks might happen. It is as simple as that.
Mary Du Plessis i wonder how many people thy will imploy on this land
Never once did these two address the morality of taking farms away from families whose ancestors carved it out of the wilderness centuries ago and turned it into productive land that created great prosperity for the entire South African nation. Instead this sounds like a conversation between two vultures with lovely British accents as to how the carcass of the nation should be divvied up.
Thank you - Land question? What land question? Our black people have land - The government has purchased more than 4000 farms which they can't get transferred to their prospective owners because of internal disputes among the intended recipients - Furthermore, there are about 17-million hectares of land in the old "homelands" which the ANC had nationalized when they came into power - In other words, our black people have land - They just don't own it and so they are born in poverty and so they die in poverty - In fact there are more black people living on farmland in South Africa than the entire white and coloured population put together - If all this land was transferred to the black people where they are living in the homelands, they will be richer in land than the majority of white and coloured South Africans - And if they owned their respective plots in the homelands, they would be able to leverage wealth through property ownership and have the capital to send their children to the best universities in the country, but instead they have to sell their labour as domestic workers and petrol attendants - And please bear in mind that none of this land is bonded - And so to resolve the land question in South Africa, all the government has to do is to grant them title of their lands - But no it is much easier for the government to expropriate farmers' land - What is the point in taking a black person who is living as a subsistence farmer in Transkei and putting him on a white farm in the Karroo? How will this make his life any better? Would it not have been better to have given him or her title to the land and a free education for the kids? And as far as affirmative question is concerned - Affirmative action can only work if there are more whites than blacks.
Very well said.
People are not seeing the elephant in the room. It is not about returning land to anyone. Anyone who has a legitimate claim to land does not have to steal it back, this has always been addressed and has never been an issue in SA and this is very easy to research.
The proposed change to the constitution is not about land but ALL PROPERTY! moveable and immovable possessions. Those who will suffer the most are the poor living in squatter camps and are mostly black people, which is why the current political parties are targeting them, the vulnerable, they will never be able to own land and it also cannot be a race based policy because of the huge implications that would carry. Go listen to some of the intelligent debates regarding this issue. If this goes through the poor will suffer far more than they did under white apartheid and it explains why they trying to force this illegal process.
Expropriation is nothing new, it's what happens when they make roads, parks, cemeteries etc
By amending or even scrapping article 25 your rights to own property is removed and this also includes businesses, shops and any shares you may have. Why is the media so quiet about this new proposal but instead play the race card, blaming apartheid for the government's failures and lying about who owns the land because its the government who owns most of it. Let us also not forget that the rightful owners of the countries land is as it was before the 2nd Boer war. Race is not a requirement for nationalism and if it wasn't for the black nations multiplying 1000% in just 4 generations this would not even be an issue.
I don't see how poor people will be worse off after been offered land. Perhaps you should go see their living conditions now and tell me if any threat of sanctions or war can leave them worse
@@mogomotsimasege4378 No you are not understanding the problem. The government refuses to give land to the poor black people in squatter camps, many have been living on government owned land for decades but the ANC refuses to give them title deeds to the land. The big question is, why doesn't the ANC want to distribute the huge amount of land and farms they own to the black citizens of the country?
The second question is, why does the ANC want to nationalise all the land in the country if it is not in the interests of the poor black people? Look what happened in Zim. Don't let them fool you, the problems all lie within the ANC government.
The ANC couldn’t run a chook raffle.
Empowerment by consistent hard work results in personal liberation something to be proud of regardless how big or small. This applies to male or females!
The law states that ownership is 9 tenth s of the law. When people have have farmed the land for generations they have ownership. Surely. These people have developed south Africa. Economy. There was no farming in South Africa when the Dutch people arrived here.
There was farming. But not the farming system that Europens used.
Apartheid had fantastic educational systems. Clever people like Thuli is a testimony.
Jesus
I m not sure whether u live in SA
nikanaughty I was just thinking the very same thing ...she managed to get a phenomenal education and is a highly intelligent and reasonable woman who is incredibly enlightened...how did she manage this yet others didn’t ?
@@Bobthebuilderchest Yes. Jesus Christ will agree.
The land issue is not going to end well for black people. That is a fact.
Louis Botes ,reason being?
The land issue were completed in full during and after the Mandela era. All land that were claimed, and could be returned were done. They could choose between land or money. Those that wanted their land back in populated areas, and gov could not comply, were given land in other areas.
stop whatever you smoking and do your research the land redistribution of the ANC failed completely and we will see about that bad for whom you say !??
The true owners of South Africa is the khoisan. Whites arrived in the cape more than a 100 years before the black settlers arrived. Take a guess who the khoisan prefer to share the country with.
Your South African history is far fetched and inaccurate are Khoisan not African ? Are they white or one of the many African tribes?, black people are settlers really now?? let me enlighten you a bit African (Black) people have been here since the beginning of mankind my forefathers never embarked on a boat to be here just accept it we coming for that damn land botes or you have 45 million rounds of Armour??
Why does the ANC have to add - 'without compensation' ? Is it because it will allow them to take more for themself or is it because they took so much already that there is nothing they can give anymore? 'Without compensation' is wrong, and in that lies the big issue. Change the narrative to; ' with compensation'. We are over two decades into democracy there are young adults out there that can build this nation up and be part of the solution - if only we can stop bringing up the past and keep repeating it.
@@marcusd8192 In short: two wrongs never make a right.
@@dewaldhaynes1703 Let God be the judge of that. You can't listen to the descendants of the oppressors telling the oppressed how to get their independence & freedom. How did people like you get to the top? You need to rehash your history because you are completely oblivious of the iniquity and hell that have happen from the hands of people who look like YOU.
@@marcusd8192do you really see all people who look like me as one 'organism' that did horrible things and that are on 'top'??? Let God judge me and define me and not YOU my brother. There is more power in forgiveness than in revenge and unfortunately regret comes too late. I hope you find peace and prosperity for yourself without wanting to take it from someone else and wanting history to keep repeating itself albeit in retaliation. I do not own land actually, but I would not want to be given land like this as it is wrong: our government should focus on building the nation and country and not destroying it. Our people and All South Africans deserve better - we once were the rainbow nation during the reign of democracy but this hope for the future is threatened by the return of terror and destruction. Everybody will suffer because of this and we all will only realise it once our hungry children ask us for food and there is no food.
@Mark - th-cam.com/video/TZoINKQsVqM/w-d-xo.html&lc=z23lsbezlxb0v3yzi04t1aokgft4nfdxbfz4hffshghjrk0h00410.1543912861869463
Lovely, intelligent lady. How wonderful SA would be if she and others like her ran this country.
Is it because she is afraid of whites??
@@kennethvolwana7799Good question.
Wow impressed with Mrs Mandosela what a brilliant discussion
Expropriation means the land will be owned by the state, where as restitution would given back too peiple
SA is doomed.
Why cause whites are not ruling it anymore
@ 1:52, starts thinking of bullshit answer. Land expropriation without compensation is wrong no matter how you'd like to sugar coat it. #Zimbabwe2.0
The reason why family land was always inherited by the eldest son 07:20,is because if it's inherited by a daughter,when she gets married,she becomes a member of her husbands family,hence why she takes his surname. That means if the land is hers or in her name,her father's family is now deprived/dispossed of that land. That is the land which her father's family is supposed make their living off. It goes to the eldest son (not male relative) in order to keep it in the family. It's about pragmatism,not sexism or patriarchy,thats all
This guy does not know what he is talking about , no research or whatsoever is used in this interview their are speculating using most , maybe ,their are not informed period
Definately, this guy is just a failure...the narrative he wants to develop is the one referring to King Zwelithini but he failed to get Madonsela to say what he wanted her to say. He talks about rural women this and that ...just speculating.
And how are you more qualified? How many propagandised books have you peeled through, tell us
Land expropriation is a novel
idea that may have some initial
consequences if not done right.
You can’t come to National Television and be smiling over serious issue!
Preach
Next step... a country same Rhodesia.
These land were forcefully taken from em African when they colonies the country now they claim it back to the right owner
How can you "steal" land? It just exists - no human created it. If you improve it, you own those improvements. Otherwise no one else will bother improving it. That's called "stealing".
Land improves itself from profits it generates. Land multiplies /grows other Assets eg 2 cattle become 10
4 sheep become 20 over time.
3 acres freehold but within small communities(property).Good internet.All the legislation has been developed in Australia through sheer necessity
Thuli must be advisor to Ramphosa
ANC to focus on the prsent and the futurre, forget embracing history, appoint ministers not because of their rank in the ANC but because they are qualified, dont appoint ministers because they are liked in the communities, but because they can deliver, separate ministers from local government
You rock girl! Keep up the good work! Proud of you!!!!
"Once something or someone get praised by a whites just know there's a problem there"- Julius Malema
When you start quoting Julius Malema, then you there is a problem.
What is that thing on her head?
if you SA citizen and did nothing wrong and had nothing to do with apartheid or governmentwhy are we targeted for something which was out of my control that is out right theft why did government not provide homes
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ALWAYS THE VOICE OF REASON. WHAT AN AMAZING WOMAN
She has spent a lot of time with rich people, and I bet white people too. Hence she expects people to wait for the right approach for the situation, whereas she has had power for year and never gave a damn about the poor people flocked in skwattacamps, space is rightful for everyone, whether rich or not.
If people cannot have land in their own country, where will they get land, how many people have waited and died without land in their own country.
But for you rich citizens to own land alone seems very exciting for you, I bet it makes you feel more important with your money and expect praise.
I don't get surprised anymore when I hear rich black people trying to protect the criminally rich white folks, but then who else would not defend the hand that feeds them.
U no nothing about her stop exaggerating just to push your narrative, we finish damage loot burn break demolish infrastructure, what will our ppl do with land we don't no how to plough the fields
3 things, the interviewer:
-has a serious crush on Ms Madonsela,
-Scared of her, or
-Respect her...
No sauce...
hennie Mulder Mr Karabo is too mesmerize, he is not even engaging, he is too agreeable...
@@mzukhology5177
.What is the Chineese we are now sold to Black o r White.
Why do you worry about ingonyama trust our forefathers defended our land against the. Might British army we did not ask for British protectorate like Botswana Swaziland and Lesotho as Long as our king is alive the trust will stand majority of land is not on the hands of blacks llke the so called arms struggle the guns were turned against blacks not the perceived enemy more blacks lost their lives than oppressors it is that mentality again afraid of whites the anc
Too soft... CaNT hear....
I just love how she lectured him when he tried to say,the land question is not about black and white...lol,he's just misinformed
To all you idiots thinking the state will make things better, uhm, the current government you voted for failed and has failed repeatedy for almost 3 decades, what makes you think a communistic state is gonna do any better 😂 your all so fucken clueless on how to farm and feed a whole country let alone at governing a country. Good luck you fucken idiots. Hope you like eating dirt and drinking piss, its all thats gonna be left when you fuck this country up with your arrogance, primitive mindsets and lack of self education. The state will do what it always has, not giving a fuck, empower and enrich themselves.
Guys did the whites discussed the matter of land like we do today the answer is NO.then why not expropriation without compensation ai man its not fair shame.
And after the land, we going for total independence of the reserve bank.. IT SHOULD BELONG TO THE PEOPLE. We are tired of the majority of the people being taken for fools
Because you are a fool no worse idiot.
Literally read a book dude...in every case in history when the gov owns everything the country goes to shit...enjoy
He does not need a book... Zimbabwe and Venezuela are literally going through this crap as we typing and watching on TH-cam.
Lol, the reserve bank is independent...
@@j33psamuels48 And clearly you don't read books as well. People like you are ignorant, peasants, and don't usually have much accomplishments in their life, so they make repulsive comments to demean others. I would be mad at my life too if I was white and poor in the land that was rigged for my success.
Ye ndoda spell M A D O N S E L A CORRECTLY!
Nice lady...reasonable and intelligent.
#julius Malema for president
I am not a South African, so can somebody pls explain to me why you South Africans are so obsessed with land? Yes I know, Apartheid... However, as if giving land to (almost) every person would solve any issue and do any good to South Africa? It won't. Modern, highly productive industrialized agriculture is exactly the opposite of agricultural smallholders who do subsistence agriculture, which is what you will get in SA if you continue with the current narrative. If that happens to SA, your country will just become another Zimbabwe, Burkina Faso, or Central African Republic etc. Instead, SA needs to develop its industrial base, notably manufacturing, as well as services. This requires skills developmen, an attractive business environment with guaranteed property rights - not expropriation. Since the late 90ies SA has undergone a continuous de-indutrialization. SA won't go anywhere if you give land to hundreds of thousands let alone millions of small subsistence farmers. That's not the economic model that will take SA anywhere. It would just mean regression and becoming another underdeveloped African country.
God damn take your freaking land back!!
the land belongs to the khoisan (original inhabitants) not the blacks.
I knew you'd finally come right, thanks I guess
Madonsella is an oreo cookie.....pass the baton to the eff....they will make a country called azania.