This City Built an Outstanding Bike Network. Will E-Scooters Ruin It?

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  • I had intended to make a video about how Valencia, Spain became a world bike capital, but then I got here and it seemed as if half the vehicles taking up space in the vast network of protected bike lanes were not bikes, but e-scooters!
    So this became a video about how a city can have the right conditions (weather, flatness) and make the right moves (tons of investment in protected facilities), but they can't necessarily control how people use the infrastructure.
    This video is broadly about the importance of advancing micromobility of ANY kind, but dives into important distinctions between bikes and e-scooters, and aims to help you think about...how to think about new micromobility, if that makes sense. Safety characteristics, interactions with other public space users, personally owned vs. app-enabled dockless rentals, etc.
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      @@jonmeyrick I came for the snark, and stayed for the snark.

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    • @Ben-jq5oo
      @Ben-jq5oo 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Kriss_L”less annoying people..”

  • @1981menso
    @1981menso ปีที่แล้ว +293

    As a San Diego resident, this breaks my heart to see what we could be.
    The NIYMBY's yell the loudest here against even one bike lane.

    • @wesleychaffin4029
      @wesleychaffin4029 ปีที่แล้ว +34

      Seriously! Getting bike lanes on Convoy and Park Blvd was like pulling teeth

    • @user-ue9jq6fp9b
      @user-ue9jq6fp9b ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Gotta give credit for them pushing ahead no matter what the NIMBYs say. I live in the same place as Todd Gloria and personally thank him all the time for making the city more bikable.

    • @michalandrejmolnar3715
      @michalandrejmolnar3715 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Pretty sure NIMBYS are correlating stronger with Republicans

    • @jwt1035
      @jwt1035 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      The A holes in Del Mar would rather see a train full of people fly off the bluff than allow the track to move one inch inland.

    • @FRkiddo
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      Yup, that’s what most of you voted for! Keep voting for woke libtards and enjoy the consequences, just don’t come here ok?

  • @todddammit4628
    @todddammit4628 ปีที่แล้ว +107

    People mock your style?! I find it hilarious how dry and straight-faced you can deliver punch lines. It makes the jokes even funnier. Never change!

  • @5688gamble
    @5688gamble ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Everyone who is on an e-scooter is one more person who chose not to bring a 2 ton metal box with them. That is admirable- very considerate not to inflict noise, danger and asthma on everyone when you travel.

    • @udishomer5852
      @udishomer5852 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's if they replace car travel.
      In practice most e-scooter rides replace public transportation rides, at least in European cities and other countries (not in the US of course).

    • @5688gamble
      @5688gamble ปีที่แล้ว

      @@udishomer5852 Here in the UK they seem to be used for similar journeys to bikes and many people will use cars just to go round to the shops, many of the journeys are made by those too lazy, or physically unable to cycle and on routes not well served by buses and since our buses are expensive and awkward to use for many journeys, these journeys probably are replacing car journeys in many cases. Dungeons with a free bus pass will use the bus, I use my bike because it is cheap to maintain, scooters offer an alternative to people who won't pay for or wait for a bus or don't wish to pedal up all the hills in Scotland. Definitely prefer them to cars, the similar speed to a bike makes them easy to integrate- mobility scooters could use bike paths too and any number of micro-mobility vehicles that go 20 or less. Many car journeys can be replaced and stealing shares from public transport isn't inherently bad, just run smaller buses, at least a scooter is reasonably efficient for one passenger. A lot better than a big gas guzzling cage!

    • @marquiseh5128
      @marquiseh5128 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Then the problem is public transit not offering better service than using a scooter. Scooters would just be a symptom.

    • @agilemind6241
      @agilemind6241 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@marquiseh5128 Scooters aren't a bad option even if replacing public transport, there's still health & fitness benefits to them, and they keep people on the streets creating a vibrant city community. Whereas particularly metro systems have a tendency to suck people underground out of touch with the businesses & communities that live in those places.

    • @Maxime_K-G
      @Maxime_K-G 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      ​@@udishomer5852Taking a crowded bus, tram or metro in the city every day can be a miserable experience. Those people deserve a dignified way of getting around outside in the fresh air as well.

  • @davidharris3391
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    I loved the line "I play a nerd on TH-cam, but make no mistake....I am a nerd in real life." - LMAO

    • @delanotravis
      @delanotravis ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😂 cracked me up

    • @enjoystraveling
      @enjoystraveling 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I’m not surprised at all. :)

  • @MrBoooooring
    @MrBoooooring ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I live in France and have bought an e-scooter for one crucial reason: it fits in the TGV (high speed train) right with the luggage. I travel every week between Paris and Bordeaux (500km) and it feels absolutely amazing to be able to dash to the station, spend 2h in the train, and then dash to my workplace. The whole trip takes less than 3 hours door to door. Perfectly reliable, perfectly confortable, and perfectly green (about 2kg of CO2 per trip).

  • @quico522
    @quico522 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    tears in my eyes as I see my favourite youtuber visiting my city. i'm a daily cyclist here in valència and we continue to push for more anti-car policies and tactical urbanism. still loads of street space dedicated to cars and parking but we've definitely made some good progress considering we're the 3rd largest city in spain

  • @cdroz
    @cdroz ปีที่แล้ว +80

    I am a traffic engineer and recently found your channel. I truly appreciate your takes on these topics. Please keep up the good work.

  • @johnmetermaid
    @johnmetermaid ปีที่แล้ว +47

    City nerd is the Bob Dylan of youtube hosts. The unique quality of delivery lends itself to the well-timed jokes, making the researched material even more digestible. Don't change anything.

    • @CityNerd
      @CityNerd  ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I kinda fancy myself the Dan Fogelberg of TH-cam hosts -- smooth delivery like the finest yacht rock, but might put you to sleep

  • @sergiobasilio8098
    @sergiobasilio8098 ปีที่แล้ว +134

    Gracias por poner a España en el foco de la cuestión. Tenemos mucho trabajo que hacer aquí respecto a la lucha contra el automóvil, pero espero que poco a poco los ciudadanos vayamos recuperando nuestras ciudades y nuestras regiones.

    • @newenglandgreenman
      @newenglandgreenman ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Enhorabueno. Ojalá pudieramos hacer tan progreso aquí en Estados Unidos. Pero casi no es posible por la manía de los automovilistas y los políticos que reciben dinero de los constructores que sacan provecho de un desarrollo suburbano dependiente del automóvil.

    • @jorgemontero6384
      @jorgemontero6384 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Estamos muy malacostumbrados. Los barrios americanos que a los estadounidenses les parecen enormemente paseables, a mi me parecen totalmente centrados en coches. Hablan de esfuerzos para, algun dia, lograr que puedas llegar a los sitios mas importantes en 15 minutos a pie... Cuando mi madre en Oviedo protesta cuando una tienda esta a mas de 5 minutos.
      La ciudad menos densa de la peninsula es mas densa que el barrio mas denso de donde yo vivo en Estados Unidos

  • @mayam9575
    @mayam9575 ปีที่แล้ว +248

    Thanks for being aware of not becoming one of those youtubers who just hates on American cities! I do understand that Europe has better infrastructure and city fabric than us. I just hate how pessimistic they can be and how they make it seem like everything is so static. It's not. Cities were changed to look like this and they can change again. Hope and believing that things can change are necessary for people to actually get out there and do things and I dislike how some youtubers put people doing their best down.

    • @StanislavG.
      @StanislavG. ปีที่แล้ว +36

      It's not hate, it's critique, and it's healthy, because if you do not know any better - you will never be better

    • @speedracer2please
      @speedracer2please ปีที่แล้ว +28

      Agreed. I know the US has a long way to go, but it's where my life is and I can't leave it, I appreciate a little optimism. I love hearing about how a good city could run, but had to unsubscribe to most other urbanist channels because they were just making fun of the US all the time and got depressing.

    • @TheAmericanCatholic
      @TheAmericanCatholic ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@speedracer2please yeah is getting to he point we’re I see anything positive about the USA or one of its cities I scream with glee because of rare it is.there is small towns in he USA that’s are very walkable because the town was built before the car.And there is us towns and small cities that have been heavily focusing on bikes and walkability and density.

    • @MaxFung
      @MaxFung ปีที่แล้ว +16

      it’s okay to be angry at american cities

    • @GreenScreenBartender
      @GreenScreenBartender ปีที่แล้ว +35

      Not Just Bikes has really been obnoxious in this regard. We get it, the Netherlands are amazing and we're all jealous of you. Please move on now to other topics.

  • @carsoncoin
    @carsoncoin ปีที่แล้ว +69

    I lived in Valenica for a year and am planning to move back! Super exciting to hear you talk about this criminally underrated city that opened my eyes to the greatness of bikeability and excellent public transport. The 30 euros for a year of Valenbisi was one of the biggest steals of my lifetime.
    I'd be happy to answer any questions you have.

    • @thehellezell
      @thehellezell ปีที่แล้ว +8

      how do i move there ha ha

    • @carsoncoin
      @carsoncoin ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@thehellezell lol that one I’m still figuring out. Last time I was on a student visa, and I’ll be on one if I get to go back this year. Long-term citizenship is a much larger animal, though

    • @CityNerd
      @CityNerd  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It's so good!

    • @whazzat8015
      @whazzat8015 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lots of places are available since Brexit cost the Brits their ease of access.
      ? does "criminally underrated" mean criminals are under rating its potentials?

  • @erynpimentel915
    @erynpimentel915 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    EScooters get a bad wrap, mostly because of their association with people who are tourists or people that don’t live there renting them or them being left in the middle of sidewalks or piled up somewhere. But they are a great way to get around a (particularly flat) city. They are smaller and easier to take with you into buildings or on mass transit, especially if they are collapsible. They’re more maneuverable and have a smaller footprint. Bikes are awesome but EScooters definitely have their place for many people as well. Valencia looks like a cool city!

  • @Adam-bh4zp
    @Adam-bh4zp ปีที่แล้ว +44

    It's super important that you talk about how this is the result of a concerted effort by city governments over many years. It hasn't always been like this. It's easy to get stuck in the mindset of everything in the EU always has been and will be good, and everything in North America always has been and will be bad. The reality is that it wasn't always like this for bike infrastructure. Things can change rapidly if we make them change 👍

    • @geograficmanodm1408
      @geograficmanodm1408 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      And even here in Valencia, it wasn’t made without opposition. The conservative party (PP) and its voters are louldly in opposition of any addition of bike infrastructure. It’s a very individualistic and car-centric political party.

    • @seeibe
      @seeibe ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I live in Germany and content like this constantly reminds me of how bad the area I live is with using my hard earned tax money to benefit car drivers instead of me. So no it's not about US vs Europe at all, even within the EU there can be stark differences, and even within the same country this applies. On the other hand, in Germany you can get your town to adopt these changes easily, as we already have mixed use neighborhoods. In the US and Canada you have to first change zoning laws, then physically rebuild the suburbs, and only then can you even really start physically benefiting from things like public transport and bike infrastructure.

    • @joelv4495
      @joelv4495 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@seeibe Also the stroads in EveryTown USA with business accesses nearly every 50ft dramatically limits the safety of bike lanes.

  • @pachocleproplayer8259
    @pachocleproplayer8259 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    As a Spaniard, I usually think how underrated Spanish urbanism is compared to other European countries (even by us, Spanish people). I’d say that the fact that most of our non motorised transport is done by foot rather than by bike is a big influence in the way people see our mobility. While we have similar levels of urban car use to other renowned European countries like the Netherlands, the fact that it is done mainly by foot can subtract from our image as a sustainable mobility country (as we don’t have as many shiny bike infrastructure). I’d also say, although this is just a personal opinion, Spaniards have not been historically good at selling ourselves and usually have an inferiority complex when we compare our country with others. This is not a problem for other countries that are much more prone to see their way of doing as the best (I’m not going to name any specific country, but I’m sure you can think of some xdd)
    I also want to thank you for not limiting yourself to the usual cities and countries and add to the conversation with less talked about places like Spain. I’m just fed up with Americans (also Canadians) in Europe saying how an specific way of doing something of the Netherlands is much superior to the rest of the world (like, for example, once I saw an absolutely stupid video on how street garbage bins are so groundbreaking. Maybe I wasn’t the target but those exist al around the world wtf xdd)

  • @augustvonmackensen3902
    @augustvonmackensen3902 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Anything that lets people transport themselves round cities without taking a huge metal box with them is good in my book.
    I get the e scooters aren’t everyone’s cup of tea but it’s inevitable that some people won’t want to cycle but are willing to scoot. We need as many non-car transport choices as possible.

    • @andrejka_talking_out_loud
      @andrejka_talking_out_loud ปีที่แล้ว

      As long as the scooter users safety conscious are which they are not.. they are ALWAYS in a rush and expect pedestrians to get out of THEIR way... and there is no safety regulation.. the people that use a scooter are displaced drivers.. drivers that probably lost their license and doing the same reckless behavior they did in a car, on the sidewalk. I grew up in NYC and never learned how to drive; hence I walk those scooters make it dangerous to be an individual walking; the scooter users are entitled, high, drunk, impatient, irresponsible and indifferent ... just like a lot of the bicyclists that are injuring and killing people on the sidewalks in NYC and other major cities (look it up - no one wants to admit that bicycles could ever be bad)... I am all for alternative transport in its' lane and NOT on the sidelwalks where the blind, the toddler, the disabled, the feeble are trying to go about THEIR life ... the lack of safety for pedestrians regarding scooters on sidewalks is shocking; it is clear cities or the scooter providers could care less that they are facilitating terrorizing and assault on pedestrians. Cities make sure people pay parking tickets though!

    • @agilemind6241
      @agilemind6241 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@andrejka_talking_out_loud I mean... no they aren't killing people. But yes, we want larger side walks and dedicated lanes for scooters and bicycles. We aren't your enemy, it's the car drivers who refuse to give up an inch of space for alternate forms of transport who are your enemy.

  • @flora4026
    @flora4026 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    i’m a recent e-scooter convert. i was skeptical because yeah, they do get left in bad places on sidewalks, but the benefit they provide is immense. my city’s very very limited bikeshare network is not really suited to the kind of neighborhood-level trips i make, and not having to find a dock at the beginning and end of my trips is ideal. it’s eliminated a ton of car trips for me, especially to places like my gym or my favorite bar that are over 20 minutes on foot. it’s so convenient in fact that i recently sold my bike and bought my own e-scooter off my coworker. maybe that’s insane, but i’m not someone who likes working up a sweat while running my errands.

    • @AlicedeTerre
      @AlicedeTerre ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I've not been much of a bike rider but was riding a lot of scooter rentals through a work benefit and I feel like it's far more suited to a person like me that is not always wearing bike appropriate clothes and also doesn't want to deal with taking care of a vehicle after the ride ends. We just need more options.

    • @thegreentimtam
      @thegreentimtam ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Do you not find the scooter rentals egregiously expensive? When I've seen it here in Australia it's been more expensive than car share.

    • @flora4026
      @flora4026 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@thegreentimtam scooter share here was only about $3 plus $0.15 per mile. not sure about car share

    • @bshelley234
      @bshelley234 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I also bought my own e-scooter and I love it. I’ve put so many miles on it here in Denver that I wore out the tires and had to get new ones 😂

    • @Salamander407
      @Salamander407 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Love my scooter, got a emove cruiser and roadrunner, super fun!

  • @imac2209
    @imac2209 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Studying abroad in Valencia is what made me realize how bad most transport in the US is especially in similar sized cities

  • @courteneyskye5690
    @courteneyskye5690 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I lived in Valencia for 3 months and it’s wild to see you talk about an intersection I walked by every single day

  • @jeemon01
    @jeemon01 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I live in Oregon and my city wants to convert one lane from each of the major north/south roads into bike only lanes and the uproar against it was overwhelming. It would have to be protected lanes because I fear drivers will just ignore painted markings. The driving mentality is strong here.

    • @darthmaul216
      @darthmaul216 ปีที่แล้ว

      I Hope there is a vote on it to prove that most people want more bike lanes

    • @elizabethhenning778
      @elizabethhenning778 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What city is this? I'll bet the "overwhelming" uproar was actually a few "stakeholders" making a lot of noise for their numbers. That's why TriMet couldn't shut the transit mall in Portland to car traffic and why LTD had to divert the West Eugene EmX a mile from the most direct route. Enough with these people.

  • @jakevigliotti
    @jakevigliotti ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I see what you did there with the "Not Just Bikes" shoutout

  • @ianshea9025
    @ianshea9025 ปีที่แล้ว +102

    We have an e-scooters pilot project running here in North Vancouver, curious to hear what the city reports back with.
    I'd love a video on secure bicycle parking infrastructure. It's the single biggest hold-up for myself and most people I talk to here when I ask "what's stopping you from biking more rather than driving?"

    • @Skip6235
      @Skip6235 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      TransLink is working on rolling out more secure bike parking including lockers and parkades. It’s not nearly enough, of course, because there’s never enough funding going around, and I’m not sure how much of it has made it to the North Shore, but it’s a start! I’m hoping for a future with full bike parkades a la Dutch cities near Skytrain stations and downtown

    • @natalieontheroad
      @natalieontheroad ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Secure bike parking is the biggest hold up for me in San Diego, too. I don't want some crackhead stealing or otherwise molesting my bike while I'm having dinner. I'd be way more inclined to ride places if I knew my bike was going to be present and intact when I got back to it.

    • @ComboBreakerHD
      @ComboBreakerHD ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm blown away by how the Dutch and Japanese do it. Their parking garages, underground, are nicer than our shopping malls.

  • @mattgalper5397
    @mattgalper5397 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    All this time, I had no idea I was participating in Spanish culture by taking evening walks through the city with my dog after work and before dinner 😂 Me encantan mis paseos nocturnos!
    Another great video! I'm a shared scooter user myself. They're great when you want to get somewhere with no physical exertion and also don't want to leave your bike locked up somewhere unattended for hours. For example, I rode one downtown recently to get to a concert. It was a more formal concert so I had a suit on and didn't necessarily want to bike, but renting a scooter was the perfect solution. My friends who I was meeting commuted an hour into the city to get to the show and it took longer for them to get from the edge of downtown to a parking garage and then walk over to the venue than it did for me to scoot down from my apartment (a 1.5 mile scooter trip for reference). I actually made it back home after the concert before they even got out of downtown and then they had another 45 to 50 minute drive after that once they got out 😂
    P.S. The change of scenery from Las Vegas to Valencia is a welcome one. I'm sure even more so for you haha

  • @ratgr
    @ratgr ปีที่แล้ว +47

    The pricing strategy is genius!, it basically subsidices long-term users using short-term ones (probably turists), at the same time if you live there you will just get the year-long subscription, which is better for the bikesharing, here in GDL mexico they do the same 1-7 days 100MXN ( 5USD) - a year (20USD)

    • @DamianMarx
      @DamianMarx ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I've seen the same system to the tee used in a different European city called Ljubljana in Slovenia and there it's taken up to an even more insane level of 1€/week or 3€/year

    • @steemlenn8797
      @steemlenn8797 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I also thought that it was one for tourists and one for people living there. The price per hour on the yearly was also half.
      And that's okay.

  • @wesleychaffin4029
    @wesleychaffin4029 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    As a bike commuter in San Diego.... 😭😭😭😭 Also, e-scooters are insanely fun and yes while I did break my ankle riding one it was user error actually, not poor road conditions.

  • @bubandbob
    @bubandbob ปีที่แล้ว +87

    I love, love, love Valencia, and its Central Market. As an Australian living in America, I'm shocked by how good the train/tram infrastructure is in Valencia given the metro area only has about 2.5 million people. I know a lot of this is down to the age of the city, general attitudes to urbanism, and government priorities. But I would love a video about the general differences between planning and co-operation between different levels of government be that federal/state/city or city-to-city. Living in Jersey City, I know that the only reason we have some metro-style rail connection to NYC is not because of government planning but because of capitalism (ie. a wannabe railroad baron) during the golden age of rail in the US. Would NYC's subway exist without businesspeople trying to make a killing in the age of rail, and would it continue to exist without NYC's consolidation from five cities into one?

    • @dama9150
      @dama9150 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      Just as an explainer, all that great rail network in Spain was paid for [mostly] by the EU. Spain had pretty bad trains after Franco etc, and it was one of the clearest ways to help Spain develop. And it has worked well.

    • @michalandrejmolnar3715
      @michalandrejmolnar3715 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Sorry, but I don't see any railroad tycoons anymore...

    • @TheAmericanCatholic
      @TheAmericanCatholic ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dama9150 I didn’t know that

    • @TheAmericanCatholic
      @TheAmericanCatholic ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I wish we bring back the American golden age if rail.

    • @ThreeRunHomer
      @ThreeRunHomer ปีที่แล้ว +13

      The golden age of rail was enabled by government policy. The government acquired the landed needed for the railways and gave it to the railroads.

  • @MohondasK
    @MohondasK ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The only US city I've visited where e-scooters seemed to be a net positive was Indianapolis...because downtown was soooo spread out, it had minimal pedestrian traffic, and wide sidewalks/bike path.

    • @jillengel4124
      @jillengel4124 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I live in Indy and they are a real hazard on Mass Ave. They are abandoned in the middle of the sidewalk which is a real trip hazard. E-Scooters are prohibited from riding on sidewalks but that's where 90% of them are ridden and they playing the game of chicken with pedestrians.

  • @Justaguy689
    @Justaguy689 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    Hearing the natural conditions for a bike friendly city you listed at the beginning of the video, it makes me really sad that my city didn’t take that opportunity.

    • @CityNerd
      @CityNerd  ปีที่แล้ว +11

      A lot of US cities have great natural conditions and no follow-through, yes

    • @hlt8770
      @hlt8770 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@CityNerd If you're looking for a US deep-dive, Somerville, MA and Cambridge, MA have landscapes that have radically changed for the bike-friendly better since 2018.

    • @lifeinhd4053
      @lifeinhd4053 ปีที่แล้ว

      Same... I'm in Austin, and while we're slowly changing for the better, we really missed a great opportunity ~80 years ago.

    • @Justaguy689
      @Justaguy689 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lifeinhd4053 im also from Texas (Fort Worth), Austin and Fort Worth are both great cities with great climate and natural landscape, and it’s sad that cities in Texas haven’t taken their chance

  • @n.w.2061
    @n.w.2061 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Video idea: the potential of car free cities on islands.
    Here in Germany we have a few islands (like Langeoog) that do not allow cars (apart from emergency vehicles of cause).
    While they do not have a big population they are very touristy.
    Just from looking around on google maps I feel like there are a lot of cities on islands that could go car free without much work on infrastrukture.
    While I have never been there, Nassau seems like a good example. The island is small enough to be accessible by bike and maybe busses. And while it would be a risk for tourism, it could also attract people.
    The biggest advantage of islands is, that litterally everyone going there takes public transport, or at least private transportation that is not cars.

    • @TheAmericanCatholic
      @TheAmericanCatholic ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Mackinac island USA is a car free touristy city that is in my state.and I went there many times and it’s nice. It has a highway meant only for bicycles and horses making it the only car free highway in USA

    • @ThreeRunHomer
      @ThreeRunHomer ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Manhattan, Nantucket and the smaller Hawaiian islands all seem like natural candidates, but they cling tenaciously to car use.

    • @resop3
      @resop3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't believe that Fire Island even has roads on the inhabited part of the island.

    • @enjoyslearningandtravel7957
      @enjoyslearningandtravel7957 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@ThreeRunHomer A number of people I see driving on Nantucket with large SUVs is horrible. I rented a bicycle and got everywhere on bicycle there’s some bicycle paths that I really Beautiful and peaceful and away from cars but there’s one really long bike path on that parallels a car road that you just hear the car noise
      I heard the locals on Nantucket were trying to lobby to limit cars that the tourists take, but they didn’t get it past. There’s way too many cars with the tourist to make it so peaceful. Nantucket already has a bus service at least during the tourist season that stops off at many places so it would be possible to have less cars and then it would be a much peaceful vacation in Ireland.

    • @enjoyslearningandtravel7957
      @enjoyslearningandtravel7957 ปีที่แล้ว

      I meant to write island instead of Ireland.

  • @GreenScreenBartender
    @GreenScreenBartender ปีที่แล้ว +79

    I have an E-scooter that I ride a couple miles to work with (in Scottsdale, AZ) and while I love using it, the public scooters are the worst. They're littered all over since almost no one parks them where they should go, they're always blocking ramps, sidewalks, etc. It also sucks since drivers hate any shape or form of pedestrians here so I have to be extremely careful just on my short rides to work.

    • @kennj321
      @kennj321 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      At work and home you have a good place to keep your scooter. what if you go somewhere else with it and need to lock it up somewhere. will it be there when you get back?

    • @GreenScreenBartender
      @GreenScreenBartender ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@kennj321 I sometimes take it to nearby parks to hike and lock it up at the bike racks. But I almost never go anywhere really populated with it because of that concern. These things really could be a great alternative for short commuters but there's still too much of a stigma towards them (rightfully so), not enough smooth bike lanes to ride on (they're bumpy rides often), and they still don't have good ways to lock them up more securely (I have to haphazardly wrap my lock around it like crazy).

    • @geo8rge
      @geo8rge ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Shoddy e-bikes and scooters have a habit of catching fire. I like that public e-bikes are purchased and maintained by competent people. And they are always outside.

    • @sdorn
      @sdorn ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kennj321 A bike lock works just fine with a scooter and bike rack. Untethered scooters, though... Arizona State's police department just reported a rash of scooter thefts on and around campus today.

    • @GreenScreenBartender
      @GreenScreenBartender ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sdorn Just saw that as well. I'd NEVER park my scooter anywhere near the ASU campus lol.

  • @rosshoyt2030
    @rosshoyt2030 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    That alien-ship looking building is actually a Valencia Opera facility with concert halls and a network of underground rehearsal spaces (Boston's Berklee college of music also occupies some of the space). It's an amazing space that had some corruption issues during the construction process in the 2000's IIRC

  • @Marksman3434
    @Marksman3434 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I just love the dry humor/sarcasm with which you get your points across, Ray

  • @pro-on6wq
    @pro-on6wq ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I am European and I wanna defend San Diego: There is a really nice park where you can wander around in amazing architecture and even see a cactus garden with lots of different cacti. Also, they have a street with bars and clubs, which they close for cars an weekends. They have useful trams and busses as well.

  • @Highlyanimated1
    @Highlyanimated1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a former New Yorker that visits NYC frequently, I hit like before even watching just because this is a topic that came to my mind last week. Thanks!

  • @brianguerrero6622
    @brianguerrero6622 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow, I'm regretting not going to Valencia when I was in Spain! Although all the cities I visited were still leagues above cities in the US (Barcelona probably even more so than Valencia). From hostel to hostel people (Americans, maybe some Germans too) were saying to pass on Valencia saying it was "boring"... I guess they weren't urbanists ;)
    Loving the Spain content! You're making me crave another visit though...

  • @Skzzlemister
    @Skzzlemister ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Have a great time in Spain!! I’m so insanely jealous of the walking culture of Europe.

  • @christopherkotsopoulos701
    @christopherkotsopoulos701 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    City Nerd's sarcasm and monotone delivery crack me up every time. Don't ever change!

  • @teddysometimes
    @teddysometimes ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Ah, Valencia--the... Chicago? of Spain...? Ok, probably not. The dry delivery and moments like your 8:36 "I lied" is exactly why we all show up on Wednesdays for refreshing urbanist content. Still holding out hope for "CityNerd's shameless European urbanism ASMR" 2nd channel, by the way.

  • @IlCaroSassone
    @IlCaroSassone ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I lived in Valencia for a year. Extraordinary city! It DOES get pretty hot in summer though!

  • @AaronLance
    @AaronLance ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I like your deadpan delivery and dry humor. It's perfect for the topic. Keep up the good work!

  • @channelwithoutaname6244
    @channelwithoutaname6244 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    In Australia, their e-scooter rentals come with a helmet, and you get a discount for leaving it in a marked zone. These seem like inexpensive ways to address safety and clutter problems that I haven't seen yet in the US.

  • @RebelwheelsNYCShow
    @RebelwheelsNYCShow ปีที่แล้ว +2

    lol I like your camera delivery. it's one of the reasons I subscribed to the channel (the other bits were because I enjoy the stats about different places. being disabled and in a wheelchair, I always try to see what places might look more accessible than others. that being said, you do you.

  • @zozobra
    @zozobra ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your subscriber count can now fill the world's largest stadium to capacity. They're all here for your fantastic delivery and dry humor.

  • @Phingolfina
    @Phingolfina ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Would love a video about the affects of roundabouts for pedestrians. Especially, looking at Carmel IN. My experience growing up there was that it was great for car traffic but not much better walking. Also it's annoying how at first people bitch about them, not know how to use them, then finally figure them out and love them.

  • @benvanelli1241
    @benvanelli1241 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I'd love to see a video on mid-sized North American cities that do everything big cities do well. Like which ones are most bike-able and walkable despite their relatively smaller size

  • @Nestor_Suarez
    @Nestor_Suarez ปีที่แล้ว +1

    OMG! You are here in Valencia! Let's have a drink if you have time! You just filmed where I walk my dog every day.
    I own an electric scooter since 4 years ago and I also do bike often around the city with the city bikes (they are heavy though).
    You got everything right in your video. Even the weird pricing of the city bikes. You can rent the bikes on an app as a tourist, unlike other cities.
    I hope that you have a good time in Valencia!

  • @Bioniking
    @Bioniking ปีที่แล้ว +19

    I remember when these things appeared randomly in Oakland. The cities couldn’t keep up with the legislation to regulate them. The scooters were everywhere, people riding them dangerously throughout the streets, and sometimes dumping them in Lake Merrit

    • @eclogite
      @eclogite ปีที่แล้ว +3

      This sounds a lot like what happened to the dockless bike share here in Victoria. The program shut down but you still see the occasional stolen one around. Turns out if you can park it anywhere, you can easily hide it long enough to cut off the built in lock and GPS 🤷

  • @mcc.o.4835
    @mcc.o.4835 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    My wife and I are talking about retiring in the Valencia area. We've talked about making a trip to get a feel for the city. It looks amazing. Bonus points for access to trains, bike lanes, etc.

    • @FRkiddo
      @FRkiddo ปีที่แล้ว

      Don’t come please, stay in your woke libtard american city you destroyed. You’ve done enough damage already, reap what you sowed ok?

    • @grennglant
      @grennglant ปีที่แล้ว

      you should do that. we visited twice before moving here last year.

  • @chrisbunka
    @chrisbunka ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Now we need to make Valencia, California as bike-friendly as its Spanish counterpart.

  • @Robin_Goodfellow
    @Robin_Goodfellow ปีที่แล้ว +4

    E-scooters as a viable micromobility option hinges on the city's ability to prevent scooter litter. If you don't have dockless scooters cluttering every street in random places, they don't stick out as a problem so much.

  • @mdhazeldine
    @mdhazeldine ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Valencia was already on my travel bucket-list, just for the architecture, but now it's even more so!

  • @AardvarkDK
    @AardvarkDK ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Here in Copenhagen (Denmark), helmets for e-scootists were made mandatory a year ago. I think they mentioned that the accident rate for e-scooters is about six times higher than bikes. They have also had to implement restrictions on the number of e-scooter operators in the city and where the scooters can be parked, because they were every-bloody-where for awhile.
    I used them briefly in Berlin a couple of years ago, but I'd much rather bike. Why stand up when you can be sitting down?

  • @Osiris3657
    @Osiris3657 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is an interesting topic. I am fully on board with quality public transportation so I don't have to drive my own car as much. Save money on gas and maintenance as well as help the environment. I moved to Denver, which has a good rail system. I drive my car to the parking lot of a railstop when I need to go into town, and with me I bring an e-scooter I bought to commute around downtown Denver. I love my scooter. Saves me so much time and money from having to drive everywhere

    • @bshelley234
      @bshelley234 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I’m also in the Denver area and have put hundreds of miles on my e-scooter. Love that I can walk it onto the commuter rail cars with me. Most shops and restaurants let me store it inside while shopping/dining as well.

    • @Osiris3657
      @Osiris3657 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@bshelley234 yep, I'm right there with you. Just wish the rail was cheaper, I think it's overpriced

    • @bshelley234
      @bshelley234 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Osiris3657 Agreed! I actually have a Commuter Eco Pass through my work that I can use to ride all trains and buses for free as a benefit, but the singe ride or day pass tickets in Denver are higher than most cities I've visited. Phoenix I got a day pass across the whole Metro system for $4!

    • @Osiris3657
      @Osiris3657 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@bshelley234 Nice man, but I'm very jealous!

  • @NotACat2237
    @NotACat2237 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love your speaking style. It doesn't sound like everybody else. I'm so over the radio DJ voice so many use.

  • @GreaterJan
    @GreaterJan ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was actually going to visit Valencia last year but couldn't because I was sick. Really regretting it now! Spain is lovely!

  • @yossarian6743
    @yossarian6743 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video! I completely understand the distaste for dockless scooters/bikes, but I think there is some nuance to it and possible solutions. Here in Chicago, the docked areas can be pretty far apart, especially out in the neighborhoods, and around an event time and place (i.e. near a stadium) the docks can be either completely empty or completely full (so one cannot return a bike at that location), so the option of dockless bikes/scooters is definitely beneficial. I recently visited Denmark and tried a bikeshare with a dockless system. While dockless, the bikes can only be parked in certain areas (usually near bus stops or other public bike racks), and the system won't let you end your ride unless the bike is one of these areas (which you can view on the app on your phone). Seemed to work really well.

  • @nayrays
    @nayrays ปีที่แล้ว

    The main reason I watch is your vocal delivery! I love everything you're saying, but the delivery really makes it!

  • @peepa47
    @peepa47 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Great video. Hope you will someday visit Prague and do a video about it, preferably in the summer if you like Spain. Its not as great as spanish cities, because it was under soviet rule for 50 years. But still a great walkable city with very good public transit. I mean 10 minute interval is seen as very bad, 20 minute is almost unusable and 30 minutes is only for the night trams. Compare this to Memphis where 30 minutes is express 🙂with infrastructure for bikes we still have a long way to go, because we lack good roads even for cars somewhere and it is a really hilly city

  • @whizzywoo582
    @whizzywoo582 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    How very dare they, you've got a marvellous speaking voice! :) Isn't Valencia wonderful - my parents have retired nearby and I love the city! Tempted to move over there myself.

  • @derrickmickle5491
    @derrickmickle5491 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another fan of your on-camera delivery. I like the rhythmic, halting cadences in your sentences. Makes you distinctive.

  • @JAKempelly
    @JAKempelly ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love your delivery. Obviously you're striking a chord. Keep doing what you're doing.

  • @patrickpozzi
    @patrickpozzi ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your delivery is at least 51% of why I watch this channel; I hope you never change. Enjoy the fallas in March!

  • @danielsavitz5774
    @danielsavitz5774 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I do like the E-scooters; I used to use them a lot when I worked in downtown Cleveland. It was a lot easier to pick one up and ride it to somewhere else downtown than to move my car and have to pay extra for parking. Occasionally I will see a scooter that isn't parked in an ideal location, but overall I don't think there as much of a nuisance here as they are in other places.

  • @amparorod2000
    @amparorod2000 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your narration is the best. Sounds very informative.

  • @rosshoyt2030
    @rosshoyt2030 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I was lucky to live in Valencia for 10 months a few years back at Berklee satellite campus. Getting nostalgic!

  • @DaFreeze220
    @DaFreeze220 ปีที่แล้ว

    So awesome that you went! I'm glad you're enjoying the city, I lived there in 2014 so I had no idea how many new upgrades they have made since then. This video was a delight for many many reasons! My nostalgia is overflowing!
    If you're feeling homesick, there is a pub called Portland Ale House in Valencia's Eixample neighborhood (which is similar to Barcelona's Eixample grid). It's really fantastic, and was the only bar I knew of in Spain that brewed their own beer. Pretty sure an expat runs the place.
    Hope you continue enjoying and being inspired by this European journey, looking forward to what comes next!

  • @sparkycjb
    @sparkycjb ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Now that you're in Europe I can't wait for the CityNerd and NotJustBikes collab.

  • @richardhamilton9027
    @richardhamilton9027 ปีที่แล้ว

    Never change your delivery! It’s perfect. Love the dry witty sense of humor. That, paired with the well researched content keeps me eagerly awaiting new episodes.

  • @CoastalKite
    @CoastalKite ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I see what you did there at 4:02 and I appreciate you

  • @jimohagan4379
    @jimohagan4379 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very helpful as Valencia is currently at the top of my list of places I think I may want to live, but haven't yet visited.

  • @markhamann8030
    @markhamann8030 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your delivery and wit make you one of the few channels I watch at 1x speed.

  • @markbrown2615
    @markbrown2615 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for the comparison and quick analysis between a car oriented city and a people oriented city. Please keep up the good work. 🎉

  • @Kizyr
    @Kizyr ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I heard "not just bikes" and like a reverse Pavlovian reaction was waiting for that bell

  • @rhiannal5020
    @rhiannal5020 ปีที่แล้ว

    This channel is my new obsession, love your videos!

  • @cineblazer
    @cineblazer ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Every upload from this channel makes me so happy

  • @xLightningbolt
    @xLightningbolt ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I visited Brussels last years and I couldn’t believe the amount of E-scooters available for rent. They were literally, everywhere - almost too much to be honest.
    Perhaps worth a visit there too!

  • @humanecities
    @humanecities ปีที่แล้ว +9

    EScooters are great! I enjoy riding mine because it’s easier to hop on a bus or train with it, than it is with a bike. That said, the problem with the public scooters being scattered all over the place is real. Not sure how to fix that.

    • @kerrizor
      @kerrizor ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Anecdotally, I live next to a light rail station in Seattle, so we're the start/end point of lots of dockless scooters and bikes. People are getting _better_ about polite parking, but its a sloooow improvement.

    • @AlicedeTerre
      @AlicedeTerre ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cities with really strict regulations are doing a better job of containing the chaos, but it often comes at cost of the companies being able to operate in them at all (usually at a huge loss). Not sure how to balance that currently.

    • @enjoyslearningandtravel7957
      @enjoyslearningandtravel7957 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Maybe they could fix that with the public scooter company requiring a deposit and you only receive it back if you put the scooter into the right dock and log it in.

  • @davetorres3758
    @davetorres3758 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I live in San Diego and I sure wish we had the bicycle infrastructure Valencia, Spain has!

  • @thephotoroad
    @thephotoroad ปีที่แล้ว

    Glad you made it to Valencia! Great video. Hope you’ll get to see Alicante for its beautiful pedestrian boulevard the Esplanade of Spain

  • @isprekken
    @isprekken ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the not-so-subtle dig at san diegans got a belly laugh from me

  • @angellacanfora
    @angellacanfora ปีที่แล้ว

    I, for one, appreciate your low-key, conversational style! It's streets ahead of TH-cam's typical polished extroverts. #nerdsunite

  • @hemaccabe4292
    @hemaccabe4292 ปีที่แล้ว

    Useful video, thank-you.

  • @timdowney6721
    @timdowney6721 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    It looks like Valencia also has some interesting architecture.

  • @gaijinhito
    @gaijinhito ปีที่แล้ว

    I watch your videos because I love you delivery style.

  • @dmitryeremin208
    @dmitryeremin208 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for your work!

  • @brainsfordinner7196
    @brainsfordinner7196 ปีที่แล้ว

    If the haters don't know what "wry" is I really don't think that's our problem. Keep up the great work and don't ever change

  • @bradyreed3457
    @bradyreed3457 ปีที่แล้ว

    Glad you visited here in VLC, Ray! I'll buy you that cup of coffee via TH-cam, although I'd hope to do it in person. I'm sure you're somewhere else by now.
    Great video of the best city ever. Keep 'em coming!

  • @justinsimaluk314
    @justinsimaluk314 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    In Calgary we stopped calling bike lanes bike lanes, they're now mobility lanes or cycling facilities. Part of this in response to the political wildfire of bike lanes, but the other part was to adapt to the different types of users.

  • @xmtxx
    @xmtxx ปีที่แล้ว

    Well, I do love your camera delivery, because, on one hand, your topics are pretty much always interesting.
    On the other hand, if I want to take a nap, I'll put up the less interesting (to me) topics.
    It's perfect, keep up the good work! :)

  • @Urbanhandyman
    @Urbanhandyman ปีที่แล้ว

    I was in Valencia, Madrid, and Barcelona, at the end of October 2022. Valencia's biking network is good but I found Barcelona the best "everything" system from trains to biking to pedestrian pathways. Barcelona also had the most e-scooter users of the three by far. It took me a couple of hours to transition to no longer considering them a threat which is what I instantly feel here in the San Francisco Bay Area when I see the odd lone e-scooter passing by. There's something about achieving sufficient mass that changed my perspective towards them. I am looking forward to seeing you nerd it there and reporting back.

  • @c.a.mcmullen7674
    @c.a.mcmullen7674 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fantastic....seeing Valencia's gorgeous train station made me misty eyed (the paella made me bawl). Time revisit. Good call: much more pleasant than looking at Vegas.

  • @bobdimitrakakis8183
    @bobdimitrakakis8183 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    And that was an amazing Not Just Bikes reference.

  • @theoldironqueen8224
    @theoldironqueen8224 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I already said on twitter that I think scooters are superior but here maybe a bit more nuanced. I got an e-scooter about 5 months ago, I replace basically every trip I did by car with the thing, I live in a pretty rural setting (for Germany) and its just a blast. I am very much aware of the problems that can come with not wearing a helmet, but since the expected incidents (by german insurance, which is necessary to drive an escooter on the road) got slashed in an 1/8 after the first year because they are so safe, I am willing to continue that. Also, I did pretty long trips with the thing, around 20 kilometer and it still was a blast. When it comes to parking I also like it much more than a bike, I have it in the stairwell and can grab it and go instantly and since I know I am too lazy to get my bike, I before that just literally grabbed the car keys. And when I can't make a trip with the scooter, I at least throw it in the back of my small trusty hedge back and use it in the city I am at and try to avoid driving there.
    All in all, the thing changed the way I see mobility and I think people should bury their grudge and just let people have fun. Bikes are nice, but especially ebikes are expensive and let me be honest, I am too lazy to ride a normal one, my friends got escooters too and doing trips with them is one of the most enjoyable thing I ever did. Maybe when I can afford an ebike I will use it, but right now, the scooter is too good, too fast to use, to portable and too cheap to disregard them because that will just lead to people using their car.

  • @cuttingbored4195
    @cuttingbored4195 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your delivery is great! It's part of the fabric of the channel - don't asphalt over it ;)

  • @stevemiller7949
    @stevemiller7949 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Did not know about transportation hierarchy. Thank you.

  • @rebeccaseal5149
    @rebeccaseal5149 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Would love a video on how cities like Valencia can encourage e-scooter use without having them blocking sidewalks and such. I'm in Berkeley and it's such a problem cause students leave them everywhere :( big fan of less driving, not a big fan of having to walk in the street to avoid 4 e-scooters

    • @sxxrpientes5512
      @sxxrpientes5512 ปีที่แล้ว

      Require the companies that rent e-scooters to create spaces for them to be parked and a system were if you don't park them it's still costing money for the irresponsible user. Here in Valencia companies like this operated a few months and they were banned from the city later instead of doing this.

  • @hemaccabe4292
    @hemaccabe4292 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Being able to safely park my bike at the destination is key part of being ride-enabled.

  • @kaekae4010
    @kaekae4010 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great Video as always, greetings from Spain.
    Viva Vigo!, para siempre, me cago en tal.

  • @pandurendradjaja8994
    @pandurendradjaja8994 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hahaha. Love the shoutout to NJB at 4:00