It’s a bit difficult to check the vehicle and the title to compare the data when it is an online auction from another state and payment is done online before arrangements to pick it up are even made. The auction company should have confirmed it was correct before even listing the truck, and in some states they are required to do a confirmation of it by law and if they are caught selling a vehicle without confirming the title and vehicle are a match or having a bill of sale with vehicle make, year, model, VIN number, stating the vehicle is being sold without title, and must state there is no title in the auction listing for that vehicle, that auction company can be fined thousands of dollars and/or have its auctioneers license temporarily suspended or revoked or they can even be permanently revoked and banned from doing any future auctions in that state and in some cases even be sentenced to jail or even prison.
I’ve studied these old Chevy/GMC trucks since I was in junior high and I’ve owned and rebuilt more of this generation pickups than I can count. Back in the early to mid 80’s these trucks were parked out behind barns and sitting in fields just about everywhere. From my experience with many, many of these trucks over the years is the title VIN# and VIN# on the body tag itself will often be different. Some states used the engine serial number on the title instead of the body tag VIN. The same state would also use the body tag VIN on the title. It just depends on the county registration department at the time of original registration within that state. Also, many trucks were retitled in another state and depending on the state and county they would use the body tag VIN exclusively in most cases due to the fact that the original engine had been replaced and that serial number no longer was attached to the truck meaning the ONLY remaining serial number on many trucks is the body VIN tag. So in situations like this where the title has an engine serial number as the truck’s VIN, it doesn’t match the body VIN tag and county tax assessor’s will not want to issue a new title due to the obvious discrepancy. So the next step is the have the truck inspected by your local authorities like the motor vehicle task force or DMV. They need to visually inspect the truck’s VIN tag for authenticity as well as the VIN on the frame. The serial number on the engine will also be checked and recorded. In this specific situation in this video it is clearly the correct title to the truck!!! Why do I say this? Because the most unique and identifiable part of any truck’s body VIN# is the last five or six digits. If those match as well as the other VIN codes for date, etc then that is the correct title for the truck. There was simply a lazy person at the registration office back when it was registered for use on public roads back in the late 70’s. You have to remember this. Most all of the big 1 and 2 ton trucks back then where farm trucks. They were never used off the farm hence they were not so much concerned about registering them for use on public roadways. At some point the truck was sold or the owner decided to register and retitle the truck to a new owner and at that point they recorded the truck’s VIN as it appeared on the original title or else the employee at the tax office was just simply incompetent and didn’t entire the entire VIN sequence in their system. My bet is that the original VIN on the original title was correct but upon it original sale they didn’t enter the entire VIN for some stupid reason. Bottom line is this. The last five to six digits do match and if you use a VIN decoder it will verify the other portions of the VIN do match the truck model, date, engine, etc. You have to get the local law enforcement or DMV inspector to do these simple steps and verify the truck and VIN’s authenticity then take that paperwork to your local tax office and they will correct and issue you a new title.
By the way, the truck in this video is VERY rare in multiple ways! #1 It’s a GMC #2 It’s a 1955 1st series which only had a limited production due to it being the very end of 1954 when GM was beginning the major design change for their new trucks. “Advanced Design”. #3 The truck has factory stainless steel window, windshield and door moldings as well as a factory chrome grill center as well as the upper grill surround. Very rare and very rare for a large work truck to have these rare options. It’s a very desirable work truck for collectors. Period.
Yes sir that is a good response, and it shows that there are ways to be able to deal with the discrepancies involved in dealing with the paperwork on these older vehicles.
Go to your local county auto theft division and request a vehicle identification inspection. They will inspect and document the vehicle’s identification numbers and provide you with documents that can be used at the DMV to correct the title vin number. It’s an extra step but this is how it’s done. Your local county auto theft division has serious authority and is heavily involved in these situations and the DMV will accept their findings and documents they provide.
Hi randy it's collin from the UK in Liverpool I think that car is looking good with its new windscreen mate since you put a lot into this car randy I bet if you decided to paint it you suddenly see pound $$$ and seeing the end result is the best ever
Keep that thing and use it around the shop. We had one up on the farm. As a young kid, I sat in the seat on my knees, Dad would set the throttle it to a crawl. I would steer in thru the hay fields while the men loaded the hay bales. Wonderful memories growing up on a farm. We all loved that old truck. Used it for everything.
20 years ago I had a 1971 F600. It had a 300-6 and 4 speed with a single speed rear axle. I absolutely loved driving it. Sold it after a few years later to the father of the young man I bought it from.
I bought a 2013 Saturn ION from a Chevrolet dealership In Oklahoma. I was living in Arkansas. Someone somewhere mis typed the VIN. CHEVY dealer didn’t notice. I financed the car. Didn’t see the title. Eventually the finance company told me I had a problem with the VIN. I had to have the Arkansas state police validate the VIN so the typo could be fixed.
@@AutoAuctionRebuilds so how does validate the vins. Here in MA I had to get several forms done and notarized and also a affidavid stateing where the car has been etc, and notarized. Had a form for a LEO to come byy to sign off also had to have the vin ran for theft , They didn't want to but I forced it. . They actually have a form for vehicles that you bought from a farmer that has been idle. . I know OK is tuff.
Good move Randy. Unfortunately, honestly and integrity is lacking these days. I had a similar experience with a company sending invalid parts for my car and wasn't working with me to fix the problem. So I called my credit card company and reported it as fraud. "Miraculously", they contacted me and the issue was resolved. Bad companies can screw the little guy, but they can not screw big banks.
The credit card companies can threaten to remove a companies ability to accept credit card payments. This would cripple and spell an end to most retailers. The retailer quickly finds out they only think they own there business!
The truck sure deserves some TLC from you. It's a timeless design. It'll be amazing to see the truck getting fixed upon. Hope that the title issues are sorted soon.
like everyone else Rick is busy to. Randy needs to get him to check his stash to see if he even has one. May take a followup call. He did mention in one of his vids he had to take a look for Randy.
Randy, it would be awesome to watch you fix up that classic truck, it would be worth the time and trouble. By the way, the Kansas Attorney General's Office would probably like to know that these people are selling vehicles whose title doesn't match the VIN. It is illegal to do that. A quick letter to the State Attorney General might be worth the time if it prevents them from selling anymore vehicles illegally.
Great old truck . Takes me back to my teen years working on a farm. Drove a GMC just like that jocking grain from the field to the dryer and storage bins.
You sound like my cousin...I was listening to your struggles at the same time I'm working on a 1956 Chevy dually dump truck! Believe me, I can empathize!!!😂
I would definitely fix it up to where it can be driven. Even if you don't get the title maybe you can use it to do errands. It's such a beautiful truck and personally i would keep it the way it is.
You can register the truck in Vermont online they will give you a transferable registration which can turn to a title if you put the full vin on the Vermont paperwork I believe Oklahoma would have to give you your title I did it on a 88ford
Microfiche is a means of which to store alot of data in photo type format . So the operator will have to look thru all the microfiche tape for the year and month of the last registration.
Nobody has anything like her on YT I'm a GM fanboy so I'm glued to the GMC vids. She'd be awesome painted and all original. I love the classic colors. I'm a truck driver and started driving old V8 Chevy 6 wheelers like her when I first started.
You probably will not have trouble registering the car but you might have trouble with the inspection if they compare your registration VIN to the actual VIN.
Microfilm means proof of ownership or purchase was taken as a picture on a miniature piece of film that was often used to store records in city halls etc. You can go to a state that doesn't need proof of previous ownership to register it (ie Vermont)
I live in Wisconsin, and I bought a 1970 Cadillac Coupe Deville with a short vin on the title. I think mine was 7 digits or so and I had no problems registering it, but here we don't have to bring in a vehicle to register it. If they don't need to inspect the vehicle there I'd just try and register it as is.
A local auction house recently sold a 67 Corvette from an estate. The VIN matched the number on the title. Trouble is the VIN on the car was for a 66 Roadster and the car was VERY clearly a 67 Coupe. They even pointed out that the VIN on the car matched the VIN number on the title when questioned about it.
Yes sir but I understand there is a VIN number on the frame somewhere. Just somewhere is the mystery but there are those who do know due to their experience in fooling with those vehicles.
If a vehicle is old enough, in some states, a bill of sale is all that is needed to transfer ownership. I'm not sure how that works for a title though as I don't know if they issue titles for older cars in those states.
i understand that some states will issue a title based on a bill of sale on these older vehicles. It is just a bureaucratic solution to a problem. And it makes easier on all parties involved. It does vary from state to state.
Old vehicles in general since they were made simpler it really doesn’t take much for them to start. Try that with a modern car that’s been sitting for a while. Especially with a modern GM. The body is in immaculate shape and she could be eligible for a paint job.
Here's one for you. Back in 1980 I did some work for a fellow who traded me a 1946 GMC 11/2 ton flatbed. The truck had Colorado paperwork on it and was in his name. Well I live here in Florida and when I inquired as to the procedure to change the Colorado paper into Florida paper I was told that a FHP trooper had to verify the serial number on the truck and of course the Colorado title to match. But I was further informed that the engine number must be verified as prior to 1955 Florida titles went by engine serial numbers (I think that was pretty much the standard through all states). In 1955 Florida recognized the numbers on the firewall plate such as you have pictured here. Well the truck did not have its original engine (the fellow drove it from Colorado to Florida with a later model Oldsmobile engine and automatic trans and he had junked the original engine. Posed quite a problem and the state of Florida DMV would not budge on this. So I put a SBC in the truck and went down to see about doing something about the title using the numbers off of that engine. When I went down to the tag agency the girl doing the administrative work was experienced in doing older vehicles as her father just so happened to own a hot rod Corvette used car dealership and she knew what to ask. She asked me that on the Colorado paperwork serial number "is this number on the frame"? and I just happened to know it was as I found it on the passenger side of the truck up on the top rail of the frame right around where the front axle was located. Bingo!!!!!!!!!. That satisfied the problem and I have a proper Florida title for that truck. I would have to say in your situation the outfit that you bought it from provided you with a proper Kansas title (I will assume so, as I'm not looking at it) and the state of Oklahoma is not recognizing the Kansas title as being incomplete. I would also submit that this is indeed a good lesson and others should be aware of this problem with older vehicles doing title swaps. It would seem to me that there should be a procedure for one to be able to nail down a vehicle like this online pending a refund based on this procedure that different states have not recognizing paperwork from other states. Of course your credit card company has protected you by issuing a refund on your initial purchase but your expenses are on you.
Not sell. Vermont will issue a registration and plates as long as not on insurance list somewhere. Once you have Vermont reg, you do a transfer to your local state who will issue a title.
In Texas you could get a new title. The VIN needs a inspection. The county police used to come out and inspect the VIN, but its hard to get that done now. Now, we have to tow it to DMV location where the VIN can be inspected.
I don't know if you still have the truck or not, but there's a couple of possibilities. First, being a 55 first series truck, it's possible that the title matches the engine number instead of the body number. If that doesn't work out, here in Texas, we can get what's called a bonded title. I don't know if you have that option in Oklahoma, but if you do, that may be the only way to get it straightened out. I just recently did that for a 52 GMC. It's VIN is on the engine.
The body on the grain truck looks very clean and complete including chrome pieces. That's worth money when it comes to making a good looking driver out of it. You are right about the title. Title first. If it was taken or stolen from the original owner, the original owner would get it back with all the improvements you have made. The engine-transmission combo should be one set up for a truck, with torque figures at lower RPM more important than horsepower and RPM. It would be a great delivery truck for a feed store as a moving advertisement.
Randy, how can I get a hold of you. My son and his business partner have a auto restoration business in Vermont. I'm sure he will be able to get paperwork from Vermont since they don't issue titles after 15 years . Let me know if you can and I'll contact him. If there is a work around they will have done it.
I am pretty sure that Oklahoma is like Texas in that in the case of an old vehicle with a title problem you can get what is called a ‘bonded title’. I did it once for an old trailer. You pay a surety bond fee of around a hundred bucks, fill out some dmv paperwork, a police officer inspects your car, and then the dmv gives you your title.
That bonded title is fine if you are keeping the vehicle. Randy will sell this and it can't be on a bonded title. The title has to be clear of all liens.
I can't believe they are looking on micro fishe. That would consist of one person sitting down and looking for hours . It's like looking for something through old film negatives. Dang man. I like the old truck.
Well back in the seventies we had microfilm, and of course microfiche. That is just what was used, and of course the government agencies around the country (state agencies) would not need to update old information or did not update information that old to modern computers.
Randy, glad to see an update on the GMC. If it were me, I wouldn't spend a dime on it until I got a good title. Why waste your money that could be put to better use?
Microfilm is what they put old newspaper/documents on to preserve them. Check with Kansas. In order to get a vehicle licensed from out of state here, highway patrol has to verify vin. You could call an inspection station and see if there willing to reverify the vin
That exact thing happend to my friend here in Sweden he still has that car today he got it like 5 years ago but he never got one because the owner were gonna send it in the mail. Hope you solve it
Up here in Massachusetts I have seen cars and trucks with missing vin number plates issued a new vin number by the registry of motor vehicles. They send you a decal that you put on the truck with their serial number and paperwork to go with it. Maybe you can talk to your registry and see if they will do something similar in your state. Wonderful old truck my friend. Also the companies that sell hot rod parts must have motor mount kits to convert those old trucks to v8's ,they do it to pickups all the time.
Late 90’s I had a red 2 door Plymouth Colt hatchback I bought from a customer that I delivered pizza to. I saw another one identical to it driven by another customer I had delivered pizza to and bought it. He said my mom has the title and she will mail it to you. No title and I call him and got her work address and she’s still looking for the title. She quit that job and the son moved and my trail runs dry. I paid $200 for it so I made lemonade from lemons and I stripped it of the 4 new tires and a bunch of other parts then it went to a salvage yard. They were made by Mitsubishi and the little engines were sweet.
Hi Randy! I love this old truck! I was thinking about your water pump debacle, would it be possible to put an electric water pump on the truck. I know it wouldn’t keep the originality totally in tact but it would solve the problem and be less expensive so you could run the truck without worrying about overheating the engine. Just a thought and I’m not sure if it’s a possibility?
You could go through a civil small claims court ( I don't know what is the equivilent in the US, or your state) and explain everything to a judge and they could re-instate the full VIN number. After all its a case of registering it with the full number. All old documents about this truck will be usefull and you will basically need to prove its the same vehicle since it was built. Some support from the auction company would also help.
If you go for a bonded tittle keep the engine until you have the proper papers. Usually the vin is also on the engine and they like to see that . Good luck .have a good day
If you have a bill of sale, VTs the way to go. I've done it. Less than $100, you get a Vermont Bill of sale, and a tag. You can sell vehicle with VT tag and bos. You can also take VT paperwork to your local tag office and get a title. No title? No prob. Last one took 7 weeks due to corona. It works. Google VT title. Good luck!
You should be able to get a rebuild kit for the water pump and if not you should be able to get the parts individually by doing some cross referencing and/or measuring the bearings/bushings and the seal. Gaskets can be easily made as well. I have rebuilt several this way because replacement pumps were not available or affordable, just never done it for this engine in specific. You may even be able to get them or either a new or rebuilt pump from Egge Machine but they might be a bit pricier than buying the components yourself.
Crazy that your DMV took the time to compare the title to the VIN. I've registered a dozen or more cars in my life in IL and MI and not once has someone taken the title outside to check against the car. I'd grab the plates from a Currency Exchange, say as little as possible, and run it.
On a vehicle that is over 25 years old some states will allow a bill of sale. So you may be able to sell it to someone in another state. Also you have a dealer's license. You may be able to put a lien if that truck is on your commercial property. Check your local laws but once the lien has exceeded the value of the truck, the truck is yours to sell.
I had that happen once with a jeep. What fixed it was I took the bill of sale to the tax collector and told them I had to title a vehicle previously untitled (the age of the Jeep was sufficient that 17 digit VIN did not exist and back then you did not have to title a vehicle). We did a brand new title application, crossed fingers and 6 weeks later got the title. You should try the same. I guarantee they won’t find a prior application. Tell them it is a farm truck and has been a farm truckk.
Tow it to a parking lot. Take a picture and send location to the owners of where they can pick up the money pit. If you got your money back it's their problem now.
The issue is if he is disputing the charge on his credit card, the bank will give him a "temporary" credit until they verify through the seller as to whether or not it was a valid charge. If the seller says it is, the bank will take their money back and re-apply it to the card.
@@johngriffith7032 Yes and technically it is like putting a deposit on a vehicle where the owner of the vehicle is holding it for the person who put the deposit on it to pay for it. But in this case the full payment has to be made and any refunds must be based on whether the seller is entitled to the amount or not. These days with these online auctions that is just how it is. It is definitely a buyer beware situation.
Sorry to hear of the issues you’ve had but surely you’ve made your money back out of content you’ve made with the truck. Maybe look at donating it to a local farmer that needs a truck or a local school work shop that could be used to tear down and rebuild it in a mechanical workshop. Love your channel Randy great work as always 👍🏻
Glad I live in Maine. No titles needed on anything manufactured prior to 1995. Just need a bill of sale and a copy of the last registration - if it is available.
Randy where there’s a will there’s a way. As the other viewer said file for a lost title. At least in California you can do it, and California DMV will issue a new title for it. Have a good day. 😎
Randy, I hope you can get problem resolved with the truck. It's a cool truck to drive around town and the Pontiac chieftain with the flathead inline 8, sweet
LS1 swap weld the diff & some nitrous and make it a totally rad burnout truck, that old wagon with the long bed whipping around limiter bashing would be so freakin' cool man you would win on style points alone
I recommend that you look into the state of Maine. You would have to register the vehicle there they were than issue the title to the truck. Up there they don’t care.
Hey Randy! I don't know if you see this or not but. How is the 240d doing? Can't wait to see more of it. And I hope that you get the brakes and the water pump so you can drive with the gmc truck. I think it would be nice. Stay tuned Randy
Randy the water pump to me would be more important than the gas tank. Then address the brakes, as for fuel you can use some sort of auxilary tank, just saying. I thinking, dont quote the water pump up to 1957 I was told years ago might fit. Don't give up on the olde boy they don't build them like that any more. As alwas be safe. Peace.🇺🇸
As a classic car dealer I have run into numerous discrepancies with GM and Chevrolet trucks from this era. There's no stamp in the frame. It was very common when the trucks were new for them to title them using the engine number which is located on the right side of the block towards the back. In California we would have a peace officer do a VIN verification using the correct serial number and give DMV a statement of facts that it was incorrectly titled using an engine number which had since been replaced. The DMV would then issue a new title with the correct serial number on it
I have a 1946 GMC 11/2 ton truck that does indeed have a number stamped on the frame that matches the serial number plate on the firewall and the numbers that were on the Colorado title that i got from the fellow I acquired it from. I accidently discovered it when cleaning the frame right up on the passenger side up by the front axle. That discovery saved my bacon when titling the truck as the engine had been removed and junked out in Colorado.
In California a DMV employee, a police officer, or a licensed verifier has to verify the VIN on vehicles being registered that have out of state title. They just put the correct number on the new registration and title and take your money. I've run into many vehicles with incorrect VINs on the paperwork. Most common is missing numbers.
Randy, have you checked with your local courthouse regarding a court ordered title? - Given the age of the truck and the circumstances, I suspect that might be a possibility. There is also the Quiet Title Statute in Kansas that might be another method of getting clear title to your truck - probable place to start would be Saline County courthouse in Salina, Kansas since that is where the truck was purchased.
Yes and it is advisable to get a legal bill of sale on these vehicles even if you are provided with a title as you never know what bureaucratic difficulties you will run into. Here in Florida there is a Florida Bill of Sale form available from the DMV. It would be advisable for both parties to have their signatures notarized. The clerks at the tag agencies can notarize the signatures as well but there is quite a wait for both parties to accomplish this. However a regular notary can notarize the sellers signature and then the buyer can do his thing. The problem here is people just do not want to take the time to dot their i"s and cross their t"s and then the problem snowballs. there are ways to do this stuf but it takes a little effort on both seller and buyer.
I wouldn't put another nickel into it for now. Give the state some time to find the old microfilm. That stuff is probably going to be stored away in boxes someplace. You might have to keep after them in order to motivate them to actually look for the microfilm.
You bought it, you are at fault for not doing your own dew Diligence. Quite your FUCKING WHINING!!!!!!!!!!!!
Awe cute little guy is mad 😆🤣😂😹😆🤣
@Dale How u gonna edit your comment and still screw up your spelling.
@@tyzorg Dew Diligence is the new Mountain Dew flavor. It’s “quite” good.
@@bobbyread LOL!
It’s a bit difficult to check the vehicle and the title to compare the data when it is an online auction from another state and payment is done online before arrangements to pick it up are even made. The auction company should have confirmed it was correct before even listing the truck, and in some states they are required to do a confirmation of it by law and if they are caught selling a vehicle without confirming the title and vehicle are a match or having a bill of sale with vehicle make, year, model, VIN number, stating the vehicle is being sold without title, and must state there is no title in the auction listing for that vehicle, that auction company can be fined thousands of dollars and/or have its auctioneers license temporarily suspended or revoked or they can even be permanently revoked and banned from doing any future auctions in that state and in some cases even be sentenced to jail or even prison.
You can get a vermont title without an address there. I think all you need is a proof of sale and a vin, maybe worth looking into.
Same with New Hampshire
Yeap just call Vermont dmv run vin pay sales tax and registration fees and get plates and regy in mail
You can do that with any car? So for example if I have a car that can’t pass inspection I can have it registered in Vermont and be all good? Whaaaaat
@@icepop54367 I don't think so it has to be a certain age I believe
@@icepop54367 yeap
Hey Randy I saw you and your wife yesterday driving the driving the old school car on 29th and Douglas looking good
Heeey!! Yeah you can't miss that car huh?? LOL I'll be doing a video of the 53 Pontiac Chieftain soon!
Build a custom low rider ramp truck
@@AutoAuctionRebuilds vermont registration, no title needed for cars older than 15 or 20 years. just a bill for sale
Look up the Vermont title process buddy. People do it all the time. Once you get it transfer it to okc
@@AutoAuctionRebuilds You finally got it???? Awesome!!!!!
Randy,remove the bed. Put a wooden flat bed on it and apply for a builder's title. After you get your builders title replace the old bed.
I’ve studied these old Chevy/GMC trucks since I was in junior high and I’ve owned and rebuilt more of this generation pickups than I can count. Back in the early to mid 80’s these trucks were parked out behind barns and sitting in fields just about everywhere. From my experience with many, many of these trucks over the years is the title VIN# and VIN# on the body tag itself will often be different. Some states used the engine serial number on the title instead of the body tag VIN. The same state would also use the body tag VIN on the title. It just depends on the county registration department at the time of original registration within that state. Also, many trucks were retitled in another state and depending on the state and county they would use the body tag VIN exclusively in most cases due to the fact that the original engine had been replaced and that serial number no longer was attached to the truck meaning the ONLY remaining serial number on many trucks is the body VIN tag. So in situations like this where the title has an engine serial number as the truck’s VIN, it doesn’t match the body VIN tag and county tax assessor’s will not want to issue a new title due to the obvious discrepancy. So the next step is the have the truck inspected by your local authorities like the motor vehicle task force or DMV. They need to visually inspect the truck’s VIN tag for authenticity as well as the VIN on the frame. The serial number on the engine will also be checked and recorded.
In this specific situation in this video it is clearly the correct title to the truck!!! Why do I say this? Because the most unique and identifiable part of any truck’s body VIN# is the last five or six digits. If those match as well as the other VIN codes for date, etc then that is the correct title for the truck. There was simply a lazy person at the registration office back when it was registered for use on public roads back in the late 70’s. You have to remember this. Most all of the big 1 and 2 ton trucks back then where farm trucks. They were never used off the farm hence they were not so much concerned about registering them for use on public roadways. At some point the truck was sold or the owner decided to register and retitle the truck to a new owner and at that point they recorded the truck’s VIN as it appeared on the original title or else the employee at the tax office was just simply incompetent and didn’t entire the entire VIN sequence in their system. My bet is that the original VIN on the original title was correct but upon it original sale they didn’t enter the entire VIN for some stupid reason. Bottom line is this. The last five to six digits do match and if you use a VIN decoder it will verify the other portions of the VIN do match the truck model, date, engine, etc. You have to get the local law enforcement or DMV inspector to do these simple steps and verify the truck and VIN’s authenticity then take that paperwork to your local tax office and they will correct and issue you a new title.
By the way, the truck in this video is VERY rare in multiple ways!
#1 It’s a GMC
#2 It’s a 1955 1st series which only had a limited production due to it being the very end of 1954 when GM was beginning the major design change for their new trucks. “Advanced Design”.
#3 The truck has factory stainless steel window, windshield and door moldings as well as a factory chrome grill center as well as the upper grill surround. Very rare and very rare for a large work truck to have these rare options.
It’s a very desirable work truck for collectors. Period.
Yes sir that is a good response, and it shows that there are ways to be able to deal with the discrepancies involved in dealing with the paperwork on these older vehicles.
Go to your local county auto theft division and request a vehicle identification inspection. They will inspect and document the vehicle’s identification numbers and provide you with documents that can be used at the DMV to correct the title vin number. It’s an extra step but this is how it’s done. Your local county auto theft division has serious authority and is heavily involved in these situations and the DMV will accept their findings and documents they provide.
That truck looks good material for whistlin diesel.. looks indestructible to me .. I can see whistlin having fun with it
tHanks for the video. When you mentioned that it is all about how you respond after a mistake is made....is pure legend.
In NY you can apply for a new vin plate if one is "missing" just need old title and bill of sale paperwork.
Hi randy it's collin from the UK in Liverpool I think that car is looking good with its new windscreen mate since you put a lot into this car randy I bet if you decided to paint it you suddenly see pound $$$ and seeing the end result is the best ever
Just reading the comments made my day. Love the old truck.
Yes,
I would love to see you fixing up this old truck.
Randy thanks for lesson on tittles hopefully you can solve your problem keep up the good work I'll be watching
I need a lesson or two on titties..
Keep that thing and use it around the shop. We had one up on the farm. As a young kid, I sat in the seat on my knees, Dad would set the throttle it to a crawl. I would steer in thru the hay fields while the men loaded the hay bales. Wonderful memories growing up on a farm. We all loved that old truck. Used it for everything.
20 years ago I had a 1971 F600. It had a 300-6 and 4 speed with a single speed rear axle. I absolutely loved driving it. Sold it after a few years later to the father of the young man I bought it from.
I bought a 2013 Saturn ION from a Chevrolet dealership In Oklahoma. I was living in Arkansas. Someone somewhere mis typed the VIN. CHEVY dealer didn’t notice. I financed the car. Didn’t see the title. Eventually the finance company told me I had a problem with the VIN.
I had to have the Arkansas state police validate the VIN so the typo could be fixed.
Sadly they won't do that for me here. Glad you got it resolved though!
@@AutoAuctionRebuilds so how does validate the vins. Here in MA I had to get several forms done and notarized and also a affidavid stateing where the car has been etc, and notarized. Had a form for a LEO to come byy to sign off also had to have the vin ran for theft , They didn't want to but I forced it. .
They actually have a form for vehicles that you bought from a farmer that has been idle. . I know OK is tuff.
@@kapekodbob lol Assachusetts. Did you go to bear-week fisting party @ 0blizmo's?
@@kapekodbob Yes and those bureaucrats can be mighty difficult to deal with if there is some real thinking to be done.
Good move Randy. Unfortunately, honestly and integrity is lacking these days. I had a similar experience with a company sending invalid parts for my car and wasn't working with me to fix the problem. So I called my credit card company and reported it as fraud. "Miraculously", they contacted me and the issue was resolved. Bad companies can screw the little guy, but they can not screw big banks.
The credit card companies can threaten to remove a companies ability to accept credit card payments. This would cripple and spell an end to most retailers. The retailer quickly finds out they only think they own there business!
The truck sure deserves some TLC from you. It's a timeless design. It'll be amazing to see the truck getting fixed upon. Hope that the title issues are sorted soon.
Love this truck. Being 68 I can appreciate it as I grew up on a farm. I doubt it would be a benefit to you, but it sure would look good in parades.
I can't believe Rick at CTR doesn't have one he always seems like a stand up guy even on his price
like everyone else Rick is busy to. Randy needs to get him to check his stash to see if he even has one. May take a followup call. He did mention in one of his vids he had to take a look for Randy.
Randy, it would be awesome to watch you fix up that classic truck, it would be worth the time and trouble. By the way, the Kansas Attorney General's Office would probably like to know that these people are selling vehicles whose title doesn't match the VIN. It is illegal to do that. A quick letter to the State Attorney General might be worth the time if it prevents them from selling anymore vehicles illegally.
Great old truck . Takes me back to my teen years working on a farm. Drove a GMC just like that jocking grain from the field to the dryer and storage bins.
Thanks for the update Randy 👊
Give her a bit of well dese3rved love randy!!!! What a cool piece of history right there. Respect from Ont, Canada!!
You are favored. Positive thoughts and persistence will get the job done.
Go on buddy, I like to see hands at work, I am learning something everytime!!!
You sound like my cousin...I was listening to your struggles at the same time I'm working on a 1956 Chevy dually dump truck! Believe me, I can empathize!!!😂
I would definitely fix it up to where it can be driven. Even if you don't get the title maybe you can use it to do errands. It's such a beautiful truck and personally i would keep it the way it is.
You can register the truck in Vermont online they will give you a transferable registration which can turn to a title if you put the full vin on the Vermont paperwork I believe Oklahoma would have to give you your title I did it on a 88ford
Microfiche is a means of which to store alot of data in photo type format . So the operator will have to look thru all the microfiche tape for the year and month of the last registration.
Nobody has anything like her on YT I'm a GM fanboy so I'm glued to the GMC vids. She'd be awesome painted and all original. I love the classic colors. I'm a truck driver and started driving old V8 Chevy 6 wheelers like her when I first started.
Late to the game but I'm following. Love the truck. Drive it in the mean time! Don't let it rot!
You probably will not have trouble registering the car but you might have trouble with the inspection if they compare your registration VIN to the actual VIN.
Yes i would be really happy to see this old classic truck at the road again.. you wont regret..Do it...yahhooo..!!!
Microfilm means proof of ownership or purchase was taken as a picture on a miniature piece of film that was often used to store records in city halls etc. You can go to a state that doesn't need proof of previous ownership to register it (ie Vermont)
Doing the repairs one at a time sounds like a plan, with a video on each one essentially paying for the part(s).
Luv those camera Angeles.
Keep the truck as a long-term project and fix it from time to time between your other projects
I live in Wisconsin, and I bought a 1970 Cadillac Coupe Deville with a short vin on the title. I think mine was 7 digits or so and I had no problems registering it, but here we don't have to bring in a vehicle to register it. If they don't need to inspect the vehicle there I'd just try and register it as is.
Get it running. Sound good putting the Elca engine in that thing
Great video. I hope can solve the case and the truck goes too a good home, its a great truck and yes will see more😁❤️
A local auction house recently sold a 67 Corvette from an estate. The VIN matched the number on the title. Trouble is the VIN on the car was for a 66 Roadster and the car was VERY clearly a 67 Coupe. They even pointed out that the VIN on the car matched the VIN number on the title when questioned about it.
Felony.
Yes sir but I understand there is a VIN number on the frame somewhere. Just somewhere is the mystery but there are those who do know due to their experience in fooling with those vehicles.
Havin U as a dad would be Great!!!! im 35, greetz from Sweden!! cheers
If a vehicle is old enough, in some states, a bill of sale is all that is needed to transfer ownership. I'm not sure how that works for a title though as I don't know if they issue titles for older cars in those states.
i understand that some states will issue a title based on a bill of sale on these older vehicles. It is just a bureaucratic solution to a problem. And it makes easier on all parties involved. It does vary from state to state.
Old vehicles in general since they were made simpler it really doesn’t take much for them to start. Try that with a modern car that’s been sitting for a while. Especially with a modern GM. The body is in immaculate shape and she could be eligible for a paint job.
Randy I love the truck I hope you can keep it and fix it up. I will be watching!
Put it back together Randy. The new content on it would be great to watch
If you're a dealer and the truck runs good drive it and keep it play with the hydramatic and the two speed rear axle
Here's one for you. Back in 1980 I did some work for a fellow who traded me a 1946 GMC 11/2 ton flatbed. The truck had Colorado paperwork on it and was in his name. Well I live here in Florida and when I inquired as to the procedure to change the Colorado paper into Florida paper I was told that a FHP trooper had to verify the serial number on the truck and of course the Colorado title to match. But I was further informed that the engine number must be verified as prior to 1955 Florida titles went by engine serial numbers (I think that was pretty much the standard through all states). In 1955 Florida recognized the numbers on the firewall plate such as you have pictured here. Well the truck did not have its original engine (the fellow drove it from Colorado to Florida with a later model Oldsmobile engine and automatic trans and he had junked the original engine. Posed quite a problem and the state of Florida DMV would not budge on this. So I put a SBC in the truck and went down to see about doing something about the title using the numbers off of that engine. When I went down to the tag agency the girl doing the administrative work was experienced in doing older vehicles as her father just so happened to own a hot rod Corvette used car dealership and she knew what to ask. She asked me that on the Colorado paperwork serial number "is this number on the frame"? and I just happened to know it was as I found it on the passenger side of the truck up on the top rail of the frame right around where the front axle was located. Bingo!!!!!!!!!. That satisfied the problem and I have a proper Florida title for that truck. I would have to say in your situation the outfit that you bought it from provided you with a proper Kansas title (I will assume so, as I'm not looking at it) and the state of Oklahoma is not recognizing the Kansas title as being incomplete. I would also submit that this is indeed a good lesson and others should be aware of this problem with older vehicles doing title swaps. It would seem to me that there should be a procedure for one to be able to nail down a vehicle like this online pending a refund based on this procedure that different states have not recognizing paperwork from other states. Of course your credit card company has protected you by issuing a refund on your initial purchase but your expenses are on you.
You can sell it in Vermont no title. 15 year or older
Not sell. Vermont will issue a registration and plates as long as not on insurance list somewhere. Once you have Vermont reg, you do a transfer to your local state who will issue a title.
In Texas you could get a new title. The VIN needs a inspection. The county police used to come out and inspect the VIN, but its hard to get that done now. Now, we have to tow it to DMV location where the VIN can be inspected.
I don't know if you still have the truck or not, but there's a couple of possibilities. First, being a 55 first series truck, it's possible that the title matches the engine number instead of the body number. If that doesn't work out, here in Texas, we can get what's called a bonded title. I don't know if you have that option in Oklahoma, but if you do, that may be the only way to get it straightened out. I just recently did that for a 52 GMC. It's VIN is on the engine.
The body on the grain truck looks very clean and complete including chrome pieces. That's worth money when it comes to making a good looking driver out of it. You are right about the title. Title first. If it was taken or stolen from the original owner, the original owner would get it back with all the improvements you have made. The engine-transmission combo should be one set up for a truck, with torque figures at lower RPM more important than horsepower and RPM. It would be a great delivery truck for a feed store as a moving advertisement.
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Randy, how can I get a hold of you. My son and his business partner have a auto restoration business in Vermont. I'm sure he will be able to get paperwork from Vermont since they don't issue titles after 15 years . Let me know if you can and I'll contact him. If there is a work around they will have done it.
Randy you gotto say “BRING the thunder !!
It would make a perfect truck for a farmer at harvest time
I am pretty sure that Oklahoma is like Texas in that in the case of an old vehicle with a title problem you can get what is called a ‘bonded title’. I did it once for an old trailer. You pay a surety bond fee of around a hundred bucks, fill out some dmv paperwork, a police officer inspects your car, and then the dmv gives you your title.
I'm wondering the same. I've had to get a couple bonded titles myself.
That bonded title is fine if you are keeping the vehicle. Randy will sell this and it can't be on a bonded title. The title has to be clear of all liens.
I can't believe they are looking on micro fishe. That would consist of one person sitting down and looking for hours . It's like looking for something through old film negatives. Dang man. I like the old truck.
Well back in the seventies we had microfilm, and of course microfiche. That is just what was used, and of course the government agencies around the country (state agencies) would not need to update old information or did not update information that old to modern computers.
Randy, glad to see an update on the GMC. If it were me, I wouldn't spend a dime on it until I got a good title. Why waste your money that could be put to better use?
Microfilm is what they put old newspaper/documents on to preserve them. Check with Kansas. In order to get a vehicle licensed from out of state here, highway patrol has to verify vin. You could call an inspection station and see if there willing to reverify the vin
She is worth it good luck buddy you an santa can fixit
Nice job the old truck looks great 👍🚘❤️
That exact thing happend to my friend here in Sweden he still has that car today he got it like 5 years ago but he never got one because the owner were gonna send it in the mail. Hope you solve it
I worked at a Bank and had to pull stuff off micro film for court cases and it is time consuming and hope where they are filed the numbers are correct
Up here in Massachusetts I have seen cars and trucks with missing vin number plates issued a new vin number by the registry of motor vehicles. They send you a decal that you put on the truck with their serial number and paperwork to go with it. Maybe you can talk to your registry and see if they will do something similar in your state. Wonderful old truck my friend. Also the companies that sell hot rod parts must have motor mount kits to convert those old trucks to v8's ,they do it to pickups all the time.
This is not missing a VIN plate.
Late 90’s I had a red 2 door Plymouth Colt hatchback I bought from a customer that I delivered pizza to. I saw another one identical to it driven by another customer I had delivered pizza to and bought it. He said my mom has the title and she will mail it to you. No title and I call him and got her work address and she’s still looking for the title. She quit that job and the son moved and my trail runs dry. I paid $200 for it so I made lemonade from lemons and I stripped it of the 4 new tires and a bunch of other parts then it went to a salvage yard. They were made by Mitsubishi and the little engines were sweet.
Hell yeah man she's a damn good old truck. Paint her cherry red with all that stainless on the front she'd look excellent.
Keep it! fix it up and use it as the AAR a car hauler/show truck for closer to home pick ups ya know
Hi Randy! I love this old truck! I was thinking about your water pump debacle, would it be possible to put an electric water pump on the truck. I know it wouldn’t keep the originality totally in tact but it would solve the problem and be less expensive so you could run the truck without worrying about overheating the engine. Just a thought and I’m not sure if it’s a possibility?
You could go through a civil small claims court ( I don't know what is the equivilent in the US, or your state) and explain everything to a judge and they could re-instate the full VIN number. After all its a case of registering it with the full number. All old documents about this truck will be usefull and you will basically need to prove its the same vehicle since it was built. Some support from the auction company would also help.
If you go for a bonded tittle keep the engine until you have the proper papers. Usually the vin is also on the engine and they like to see that . Good luck .have a good day
Can you register this in Vermont to get a new title issued? Seems to be a loophole many people have used.
If you have a bill of sale, VTs the way to go. I've done it. Less than $100, you get a Vermont Bill of sale, and a tag. You can sell vehicle with VT tag and bos. You can also take VT paperwork to your local tag office and get a title. No title? No prob. Last one took 7 weeks due to corona. It works. Google VT title. Good luck!
You should be able to get a rebuild kit for the water pump and if not you should be able to get the parts individually by doing some cross referencing and/or measuring the bearings/bushings and the seal. Gaskets can be easily made as well. I have rebuilt several this way because replacement pumps were not available or affordable, just never done it for this engine in specific. You may even be able to get them or either a new or rebuilt pump from Egge Machine but they might be a bit pricier than buying the components yourself.
Crazy that your DMV took the time to compare the title to the VIN. I've registered a dozen or more cars in my life in IL and MI and not once has someone taken the title outside to check against the car. I'd grab the plates from a Currency Exchange, say as little as possible, and run it.
On a vehicle that is over 25 years old some states will allow a bill of sale. So you may be able to sell it to someone in another state. Also you have a dealer's license. You may be able to put a lien if that truck is on your commercial property. Check your local laws but once the lien has exceeded the value of the truck, the truck is yours to sell.
I had that happen once with a jeep. What fixed it was I took the bill of sale to the tax collector and told them I had to title a vehicle previously untitled (the age of the Jeep was sufficient that 17 digit VIN did not exist and back then you did not have to title a vehicle). We did a brand new title application, crossed fingers and 6 weeks later got the title. You should try the same. I guarantee they won’t find a prior application. Tell them it is a farm truck and has been a farm truckk.
I always thought that the auction house, as part of their service, would have to verify the the title and car matched.
Tow it to a parking lot. Take a picture and send location to the owners of where they can pick up the money pit. If you got your money back it's their problem now.
The issue is if he is disputing the charge on his credit card, the bank will give him a "temporary" credit until they verify through the seller as to whether or not it was a valid charge. If the seller says it is, the bank will take their money back and re-apply it to the card.
@@johngriffith7032 Yes and technically it is like putting a deposit on a vehicle where the owner of the vehicle is holding it for the person who put the deposit on it to pay for it. But in this case the full payment has to be made and any refunds must be based on whether the seller is entitled to the amount or not. These days with these online auctions that is just how it is. It is definitely a buyer beware situation.
Sorry to hear of the issues you’ve had but surely you’ve made your money back out of content you’ve made with the truck. Maybe look at donating it to a local farmer that needs a truck or a local school work shop that could be used to tear down and rebuild it in a mechanical workshop.
Love your channel Randy great work as always 👍🏻
Glad I live in Maine. No titles needed on anything manufactured prior to 1995. Just need a bill of sale and a copy of the last registration - if it is available.
Randy where there’s a will there’s a way. As the other viewer said file for a lost title. At least in California you can do it, and California DMV will issue a new title for it. Have a good day. 😎
The truck looks great but the interior needs much love👌 nice ride🔥
I’m an upholsterer lol
I used to work for NAPA. They carry a lot of hard-to-find parts.
Randy, I hope you can get problem resolved with the truck. It's a cool truck to drive around town and the Pontiac chieftain with the flathead inline 8, sweet
Sorry about the truck buddy hope you make it up on other cars good luck
LS1 swap weld the diff & some nitrous and make it a totally rad burnout truck, that old wagon with the long bed whipping around limiter bashing would be so freakin' cool man you would win on style points alone
I recommend that you look into the state of Maine. You would have to register the vehicle there they were than issue the title to the truck. Up there they don’t care.
Hey Randy! I don't know if you see this or not but. How is the 240d doing? Can't wait to see more of it. And I hope that you get the brakes and the water pump so you can drive with the gmc truck. I think it would be nice. Stay tuned Randy
damn that sucks man! hopefully you can get it straightened out
Randy the word you were looking for was "perfect"!
Randy the water pump to me would be more important than the gas tank. Then address the brakes, as for fuel you can use some sort of auxilary tank, just saying. I thinking, dont quote the water pump up to 1957 I was told years ago might fit. Don't give up on the olde boy they don't build them like that any more. As alwas be safe. Peace.🇺🇸
Maybe you should put a fifth wheel on it, since you bought a trailer to it, put it on it.
That would be cool!
And do more! It would be SO cool!
Put your logo on it and park it for advertising purposes. Use your dealer tag to pick up parts and to help with moving. No need to rent a u-haul.
As a classic car dealer I have run into numerous discrepancies with GM and Chevrolet trucks from this era. There's no stamp in the frame. It was very common when the trucks were new for them to title them using the engine number which is located on the right side of the block towards the back. In California we would have a peace officer do a VIN verification using the correct serial number and give DMV a statement of facts that it was incorrectly titled using an engine number which had since been replaced. The DMV would then issue a new title with the correct serial number on it
I have a 1946 GMC 11/2 ton truck that does indeed have a number stamped on the frame that matches the serial number plate on the firewall and the numbers that were on the Colorado title that i got from the fellow I acquired it from. I accidently discovered it when cleaning the frame right up on the passenger side up by the front axle. That discovery saved my bacon when titling the truck as the engine had been removed and junked out in Colorado.
In California a DMV employee, a police officer, or a licensed verifier has to verify the VIN on vehicles being registered that have out of state title. They just put the correct number on the new registration and title and take your money. I've run into many vehicles with incorrect VINs on the paperwork. Most common is missing numbers.
In this case they are going to tell you that Kansas has to correct the title. There isn't enough of the real VIN on his title to even be close.
Randy, have you checked with your local courthouse regarding a court ordered title? - Given the age of the truck and the circumstances, I suspect that might be a possibility. There is also the Quiet Title Statute in Kansas that might be another method of getting clear title to your truck - probable place to start would be Saline County courthouse in Salina, Kansas since that is where the truck was purchased.
Hello Randy. Sorry to hear about the 1955 Grain Truck.
File for a lost title or even a bonded title. You have a bill of sale. You can legally do whatever at said point…
Yes and it is advisable to get a legal bill of sale on these vehicles even if you are provided with a title as you never know what bureaucratic difficulties you will run into. Here in Florida there is a Florida Bill of Sale form available from the DMV. It would be advisable for both parties to have their signatures notarized. The clerks at the tag agencies can notarize the signatures as well but there is quite a wait for both parties to accomplish this. However a regular notary can notarize the sellers signature and then the buyer can do his thing. The problem here is people just do not want to take the time to dot their i"s and cross their t"s and then the problem snowballs. there are ways to do this stuf but it takes a little effort on both seller and buyer.
I wouldn't put another nickel into it for now. Give the state some time to find the old microfilm. That stuff is probably going to be stored away in boxes someplace. You might have to keep after them in order to motivate them to actually look for the microfilm.
That would make an awesome ramp truck for hauling cars. Make it the official aar car hauler. That would be great content Randy. Just an idea
I was thinking the same thing.