But you just have to imagine everything magically working on his model. They can only come up with some idea of how a single observation might be possible (not really) on their flat earth. They can't get everything we observe in reality to work at the same time.
lmao how is it possible for the sun to be over australia (north of the observed) but somehow they see the sun circling directly south. What physics is your “model” using
@ that’s exactly what i’m asking. what mechanism/physics is using in the model to project a sun that is north on the other side of flat earth to appear south for the observe, directly opposite. The real sun is to their back and not visible, but the “apparent” sun is to their front? Why does this apparent sun not light up an equal amount of land area as the real sun opposite the earth? Lets have a back and forth so i can learn how this model works
Can you please explain not only how we observe the "sun," but also how we feel the heat and get sunburn, etc., with an apparent sun model. Also, plants seem to also react to the apparent sun and not the original source, (although there do not seem to be any plants in Antarctica).
There is no “apparent” Sun. Only the single, actual Sun is observed, exactly where it should be. The only explanation is… The Earth is a globe. It’s as simple as that.
If the sun reflects on a mirror, will you feel the heat if you step into the reflected beam of light? Yes! Exactly the same, the dome reflects and refract sun light.
This is how flat earthers have always been: they try to explain a phenomenon and end up getting everything else wrong. For some reason it was disproved centuries and centuries ago...
@@briancash1405 1) all maps are flats... 2) Check the dates because it has been known for more than two thousand years that the Earth has a spherical shape or similar...
But you haven't explain how amd why Sun is visible from South of this perspective done when sun is at Australia... Why its tilted? Why when sun over Australia not visible from Northern side of this perspective dome at Antarctica... What stoping this to from northen side but allowing it to visible from south side of perspective dome ....
The visualization layer is not the same as the data layer. I developed the model. You can predict the 24 hour sun in Antarctica using Flat Earth Science without relying on any globe based models or any astronomical models at all. The concept revolves around understanding solar zeniths and how they correspond to latitude. You can replicate this process at home today, which validates the Scientific Method.
@@usmcyounggun6879 bah, you don't know what you're talking about... If someone says lots of sciency sounding words you don't understand, that means they're smart and whatever they say should be immediately taken as incontrovertible fact with no further investigation. Unless it doesn't support your preferred conclusion, then they're a shill and it should be dismissed out of hand. 🧐 "if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bulls**t"
How is it nighttime in chile punta arenas but daylight with a sun in sky just 1500 miles south and why doesn't that happen during winter. No reflectio, Does the light bend or jump over the night to reflect of the dome? You FE are dumb. One model cannot contradict the other. You have to produce multiple models to explain. Different phenomena. Explain the aurora australis. How is your south in every direction when thats not how magnets work? How does the magnetosphere work in FE? All with the same model. Explain asteroids. How do they get thru the "glass dome". Explain the 24 hr moon in antartica. Explain eclipses both solar and lunar. Explain difference in air densities. If the world is in a dome pressurized, why does oxigen and air thin out the higher we go? Explain tectonic shifts, earthquakes, the ring of fire in the pacific. Volcanoes where does the lava come from? Explain how a FE was able to fly direct feom Australia to Chile with the published flight plan from his gps tracker. Such a flight is imposible on the AE map as the time a d distance exceed current safety guidelines. Explain the coriolis effect. Explain spin of stars around the souther cross. The fact you need several models to explain this many things should be you first indication that your models are wrong.
I love the breaking of physics that has to go here for this work....hense why Walter Bislin who created this says he made it to show how stupid and impossible light has to bend to make it
😂😂😂😂😂😂 yet you believe in the ridiculous bending of space time and NEVER PROVEN gravity. You need 95% of "dark energy" and "dark matter"- also NEVER been proven, to make your ridiculous spinny waterball flying through space model
@@briancash1405 " yet you believe in the ridiculous bending of space time and NEVER PROVEN gravity." Still not true that gravity has never been proven but I know flat Earthers love to repeat lies. I guess weight isn't a thing in your world but that's ok. "You need 95% of "dark energy" and "dark matter"- also NEVER been proven, to make your ridiculous spinny waterball flying through space model" Again: not true. We had the model of our solar system long before thinking of Dark Matter. Dark Matter is just our best guess for some anomalies we found in the universe. Not knowing everything doesn't mean things don't work. By your logic humans weren't able to breath before we discovered oxygen. I think you guys are pretty funny though. The globe can't be true because of things you don't understand or misunderstand but a flat Earth is fine although it literally needs magic. Something as simple as a sunset doesn't make sense on a flat Earth. I know, some of you try perspective but everyone who knows how perspective works, knows it doesn't make things disappear from the bottom up. You guys even fail to see the irony in your "we see too far" attempts. It's the other way around: we don't see far enough far a flat Earth.
@@briancash1405space time curvature has been experimentally tested and confirmed. See the Eddington Experiment with the deflection of light around the sun. See observed and recorded gravitational lensing
@@briancash1405 Gravity is easy Brian,a little research on Bombs from aircraft will help your education, Barnes Wallis created the Tallboy and Grandslam Earthquake bombs, dropped from 18000 ft they accelerated to almost the speed of sound, not quite breaking the sound barrier, they needed more altitude as the Lancaster Bomber had maxed out on altitude. Hiroshima had the Atomic Bomb Little Boy, dropped from 31660 ft it fell for 43 seconds. Space time alters and has been proven by using Atomic clocks on GPS Satellites,to deny science and believe that a pancake-domed planet with or without an invisible sky daddy is merely a mental health issue.
The challenges were completely loaded questions. Duffy was like i need to see the measurement of the firmament curvature, how about Duffy shows us a measurement of the earths curvature
@@jd1677 He shared. Wolfie (an airline pilot) used his "math" to calculate a flight route, and between two airports 10 miles apart his math gave 2800km. He is obviously a scammer trying to sell e-books, as you can see in his youtube and facebook page.
He asked because the participant gave actual numbers for the firmament, so he is only checking the source of those numbers (which he took from the so claimed radius of the earth). But why can't you show measurements of the firmament? A very common question we see is "show measurement of the curve", so why the question "show measurements of the firmament" is not endorsed by you?
This is indeed how it is with celestial bodies you don't see their physical location you see their apparent location _edit:_ _unless the physical location is within your perspective_
that said, if Witsit's testimony&footage is *not legitimate and there's actually no 24h sun in Antarctica, it would mean that the sun does not have an apparent location
@@Sqort-em7or there is only one sun. Every observer has their perspective relative to them. For example Polaris is a gold example. If will appear lower when you walk away from. Lowering in your perspective by 1 degree every 69 miles you move away
@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology Interesting. That math is exactly what a globe Earth predicts. 1 degree of curvature every 69 miles for a circumference of approximately 24,850 miles.
@@JournalofGeocentricCosmologyEstas olvidando que Polaris debe ser la estrella más alta en el firmamento. Por ende, en una Tierra plana nunca se vería cerca del horizonte.
1) a ball of reflected light changes its size depending on the distance from the light source. 2) The Sun cannot reflect balls because it is not a flashlight: it emanates light in all directions. 3) If we take the example of the video, it is very stupid to think that the Sun can be reflected in "something" when it is over Australia (on the other side of the planet) but when the Sun reaches Argentina and is in front of the observer, the reflected light "disappears." (If that were the case, the observer should see the "real Sun" in the north and the "projected Sun" in the South at the same time.) In short, it is a much more anti-scientific system that is forced to not accept reality: that on a flat earth with a local sun they cannot see the south when they are in Antarctica, much less see them 24 hours a day.
And they will confirm the Sun is exactly where the model shows them. This is called the Solar Zenith and the latitude and longitude is easily verified.
@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology This model shows the sun over Antartcia at the same time it would be seen over Africa but completely dark in the North Pole.. you know.. the area the light would have to travel over to get to Africa. Your grift is so easily debunked I'm surprised (not really) you have people commenting on it.. Grasping at straws at it's finest!
Do you know that it's about this FE submitter winning the FE submissions predictions (and he was the only one that submitted something in all 3 categories for FE), right? Which means 3 globers won 3 of the globe predictions submissions. Are you part of the lie or being lied to?
@@BrickWilbur2020 They are lying to you, this is the explanation. Both this channel and this Alonzo guy is pushing courses, e-books and apps through a series of distorted lies about TFE. He was the only FE submitter for the 3 FE predictions challenges, so he "won" the Flat Earth submissions. He used globe numbers (like radius) in his submissions, btw. And 3 globers won the 3 globe predictions challenges. As my other comments states: "Do you know that it's about this FE submitter winning the FE submissions predictions (and he was the only one that submitted something in all 3 categories for FE), right? Which means 3 globers won 3 of the globe predictions submissions. Are you part of the lie or being lied to?" "He shared. Wolfie (an airline pilot) used his "math" to calculate a flight route, and between two airports 10 miles apart his math gave 2800km."
@@guidourados Globie and reality denier wastes over $500,000 and the sun produces No spin and No curve of said spinning ball. One of the biggest failures of the Helios globe religion.
The circumference of the Earth at 8° North latitude is approximately 39,900 kilometers (or 24,800 miles) It is 12,400 miles from Phuket Thailand to the Republic of Panama Central America also located 8° North latitude At sunset in Phuket,,, At the exact same time sunrise is occurring in the Republic of Panama 12,400 miles away. Using simple trigonometry for this to occur on a flat Earth The sun must have an altitude above the flat Earth of 54.09 miles Angle A 0.25° (Angle of the sun above the horizon at sunset) Angle B 90° Angle C 89.75° Side a 54.09 miles (Sun at 54.09 mi above its surface of the Flat Earth) Side b 12,396.52 miles Side c 12,396.64 miles Isn't math fun It never lies
Flatzoid and his crew are saying this is direct proof. Why doesn't this fool cover the entire rim with these domes and show how that works. He must have been so proud of himself when he made this. He should have looked in the middle of the map. Full 24 hour sun
No. The sun is refracting on the reflective dome around the regions of Antarctica. It's really awesome. Watch his videos to understand. #FlatEarthforever.
assuming that the Sun is a "flashlight" that points its photons in a single direction. If this projection took the real Sun, we would see multiple suns...
@@rasta4eye480Assuming this is the case: 1) they have the equipment to know if it is a "projected sun" or the Sun as it is; 2) at some point two suns must be seen: the real one, seen in the north, and the "projected" one, seen in the south (if the sun can be projected on the supposed dome being on the opposite side of the world, even more so must be seen from the front); 3) Differences in the size of the projection should be perceived depending on the distance from the real Sun (something that does not happen, obviously). 4) The Midnight Sun is not seen exclusively where the TFE equipment is located, but in almost all of Antarctica: looking at it from a flat Earth perspective, the Midnight Sun is seen throughout the Antarctic Circle, therefore the Sun must be projected everywhere. addresses. If the Sun manages to do that, it will also be able to do it along the supposed dome, with which we would see suns all the time from different points on the Earth...
@@wideotekatwilight Globie and reality denier wastes over $500,000 and the sun produces No spin and No curve of said spinning ball. One of the biggest failures of the Helios globe religion.
@@briancash1405 "Now we have one and all you have is Nuh Huh." Nope, "nuh huh" is claiming all footage of Earth from space was CGI without providing proof. We're just pointing out obvious flaws in this model. It simply doesn't match reality. As I pointed out in another comment at about 0:45 the sun is on the complete opposite side of Earth. How is it possible that the sun on the other side of the flat Earth illuminates the observer in Antarctica while a lot of land in between is in darkness? No, claiming it would somehow be reflected doesn't cut it. You'd see the reflected light in the areas between the sun and Antarctica, too.
@@briancash1405 why the sun is not changing size in the source video? wasn't night on FE caused by sun being far away? why is the apparent sun showing up on the opposite side of the "reflection dome" (?) as it goes away? what even causes this "reflection dome" effect in the first place? if it's just perspective, why there is not a 24h apparent sun everywhere?
So, how do you account for the speed the sun would have to be traveling? If the sun is visible in Chile for 14 hours, then it travels around the rest of the space pizza in 10 hours? YOUR MODEL DOESN'T WORK WITH ANYTHING MORE THAN 6 HOURS OF SUN ANY PLACE WE CONSIDER THE SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE
JESUS MAN!! YOU SHOULD BE IGNORED, CAUSE YOU USED GLOBE MATH!! IT WAS PROVEN TO YOU!! YOU WERE NOT THROWN AWAY< CAUSE DUFFY SAID FROM THE VERY BEGINNING... FE ENTRY WILL BE ACCEPTED :d
@@willdavis5636 please tell me the names of the controllers. Not some broad agency or entity, but actual people. You people are losers who just want to feel like you have special information that others don't know about
What? Sorry but this does NOT prove FE, and I'm a flat earther. This is embarrassing. It could ONLY work if a person was standing at one spot on the ice wall, and seeing the sun make a little local circle around him, not going dark while the sun is way over 1000s of miles on the other side of the fe.
@rzella8022 So, you all were wrong. Plenty of us tried to warn you. It is an apparent sun. Nothing is physical. It is a projection of the "real sun" that circles in the 2d ecliptic plane around the black hole, which is in the perfect center of the vortex at the N Pole. This is why ancients said, "Only one sun, but seen in many places." The two magnetic fields (n hemisphere and s hem) are like two ring magnets that separate (n winter) and come closer (s winter) over the course of a year. Tomb of Ellumination has been putting out the truth for 7years now, but because his pedagogy is challenging, ppl wrote him off. Imo, he's been right since day one, and this further proves it.
@@TheJonny01But if the Sun were over Australia, according to this model, it is impossible for South America to be nighttime and where the TFE team is standing to be daytime.
Ok, so you show a cartoon and you say ''this is the flat earth model '' and we just have to believe that? Cool story, bro... Your evidence-free cartoon is 100% worthless...
The little dome is always there, it is arbitrary and doesn't exist in real life, it's just your perspective. For example during Sunrises and Sunsets we know that the Sun is not actually rising and setting into the ground.
@JournalofGeocentricCosmology again, though, wouldn't this effect occur during the period when no sun is supposed to he visible? And how is sunlight reaching or perspective from across the earth?
@@xiTzShAdOwx The "effect" you're referring to is just the humans' perspective from their position on earth; it is always present, regardless of the sun, or anything else. As for sunlight reaching from across the earth, it is due to sunlight reflecting on the firmament.
@ishallneverdie2445 how is that light reaching the wall from across the earth though? I thought the reason we don't see the sun at all hours of the day was because the atmosphere was too thick for light to reach through. And why would the light suddenly stop reflecting off the wall during through the rest of the year? And as for the reflection, couldn't a sun filter be used to determine if it was a reflection or the actual sun? This model is certainly interesting, but it's a stretch to assume this accurately reflects what we see in reality
The light reaching the wall from across the earth is due to it reflecting on the firmament all around. To see you can type in google images _"coffee cup caustic",_ or use your phone's flashlight inside some type of bowl. The effect differs based on the sun's varying altitudes throughout the months. _"Couldn't a sun filter be used to determine if it was a reflection or the actual sun?"_ Since I think that the part of the perceived location of the sun which is inside the firmament (displayed in the video) is the apparent location *of the actual sun, I would say no, but I'm not sure. And, regarding whether a sun filter could be used to determine it for the part of the perceived location of the sun which is outside the firmament, I don't know. Yeah we can't blindly believe the reasonings&experiments of sinners or what models they come up with. We can only blindly believe what GOD's word says.
Funny how the entire earth is lit up at all times in your model huh? That's what a small local light source above the dirt pizza will do for you. Like all normal people have tried to get you guys to understand for 10 years now.
yeah this model is stupid and makes no sense. I think they are lying and those two FEs are controlled opposition. But the truth will come out at some point anyway. it could have been done this summer in the northpole and they are releasing it now. The earth is flat, no doubt. They cannot fool me.
@@pilgrimsnest592 were't they live streaming at some point, even calling by phone a flat earther ( sorry, I forgot his name, I believe it's Oackley). Plus, north pole isn't a continent, there's no mountain.
Weird. So there is one big sun circulating on a plane earth and one small one locally? Or what this the physics behind it, please elaborate or refer me to a qualified link. Thanks.
@@Alex-d3b4d I'm the developer of the model. The large Sun is the only physical Sun located at the Solar Zenith. As it shines through the Firmament dome refraction causes us to see all celestial objects through our own perspective. Everyone sees objects different. So if we plotted multiple observers there would be two smaller Suns. Just like Polaris and how it's declination is 1 degree every 69 miles we move away from it despite its physical altitude never changing.
Yeah, sure, that was totally predicted. How many different suns do you see at Antarctica? People actually think this is real? Hilarious. Btw: what is this huge light in the middle where we currently have 24h of darkness?
@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology How exactly does the light manage to light up Antarctica while it doesn't light up a lot of Earth between the sun and Antarctica? At 0:45 for example the sun is pretty much on the other side of the Earth from the observers in Antarctica. There is a direct line between the sun and the observer that goes over areas that currently experience 24h of darkness. How can one sun illuminate something on the other side of Earth while keeping the middle in the dark?
The globe earth completely done by this. And now the last straw: The globe earth, using a proper scaled model, cannot have a 24 hours Sun anywhere: th-cam.com/video/R96llz3K9As/w-d-xo.html The diagram is in 10:58 of the video. It is from a book written by flat earther Albert Smith in the 19th century. To be able to see a 24 hours Sun in the globe earth, the Sun would need to rise to position Q in the diagram, but since the globe earth model puts the Sun's Zenith in the Summer solstice in point F, that could take the role of either Capricorn or Cancer Tropic (since in the globe the observer is considered to be at the top of the globe), it is clear that the observer, that would be at point M, would have to look down and through the physical dimensions of the earth to actually see the Sun at midnight in both hemispheres, which is a complete impossibility.
@@VitorDamasceno-q3f It's obviously not the same. You claimed it was to scale and it is obviously not. You can claim it was equivalent all you want. It's not. You were simply lying about it being "to scale". Of course it would be very different with a sun that is way bigger than Earth and emits light.
This doesn't explaina nything. Why would an observer in Antartica, see the, that is above Mexico, in the opposite direction as a sun above China, even tho they woul be in the same direction of the observer? It is basicly the same angle of incidence.
Yes!! I was so sick of hearing from the ppl who were dissappointed. I'm thrilled!!!! Now the community can get on board with reality instead of drowning out the voices that told you this would happen.
Grasping at those straws huh? Look closer. Ask yourself does this actually work? Don't just take this because it reaffirms your belief. He's feeding you just what you want to see.
@JeepinReefer406 For 7 years now, every observation I already knew, and then new ones I'd personally discover match Tomb's model. Hanby also recently made a visual representation of exactly what Tomb has been saying FOR YEARS. Tomb's pedagogy may be convoluted at times, but it is understandable for sure. I'm gobsmacked that so many people think this realm should be fully explained in a couple of twitter- ready sentences. The whole system is more complex than that, with multiple layers of factors all converging to create the phenomena we see as the apparent sun inside our personal "arc of horizon," as Tomb of Ellumination calls it, or our "personal dome of vision," as DITRH calls it, or simply our "azimithal grid of vision" as mainstream science calls it. This is exactly why ppl were upset with Jeran for not understanding that the 24-hour sun, after Dec. 21 has already been expected by a good chunk of us in the FE community. The only ppl who FEEL like this is grasping at straws are the ones who were wrong. Some of us feel vibdicated, especially because we were poo-pooed in the ridiculous run-up to this false dichotomy of an "experiment."
@@joanmargaret4899 not sure what you are saying here. Nothing has been vindicated by this model. It's literally the same model that flat domed earthers have been spouting. The stars don't work how we see them, and the sun doesn't act this way.
@JeepinReefer406 You just don't have the info. Tomb of Ellumination has definitely been vindicated. Nothing is physical. It's all a 3d projection from the 2d ecliptic plane inverted in South. Two ring magnets circling the central vortex. N closest then s. ring. Gotta erase both globe and typical (popular) FE set up. I can't explain it in this short format only with words- as is happening, you won't be able to follow. Tomb of Ellumination has laid it out numerous times but like I said, his pedagogy is tricky. EVERYTHING he says is verified so far by the reality we see.
Actually what if they just went to the other side of Antarctica? Would it do the same thing? What if someone went on the completely opposite side of the "world" Antarctica.... No matter where you're at on the whole ice wall it's always going to have a 24-hour sun? Until somebody flys south and immediately starts going north again I'm out on the ball.
The problem with a local sun circling any part of FE Antarctica (which we know from Jeran and Witsit it currently is) is that it would mean like 2/3 of the world should be now completely dark, especially Australia.
From parallel 70°S to 90°S, the SAME Sun is seen, at the SAME time, for 24 hours. That means that throughout the Antarctic "ring" of flat-earthism it is daylight 24 hours a day. Obviously, this video is an idea as desperate as it is refutable...
So the moon is brighter than the sun in your model?
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What is the mechanism "translating" Sun location from its actual to the apparent? How it works without distortion, and heat coming from the apparent and making the real Sun invisible? How it keeps the same side of the Sun visible for everybody all over the World? How is the Sun kept not just the correct face and shape, but also the correct size all the time, for everybody, everywhere, all at the same time? Just putting observation onto a AE map is not an answer. Saying "It might be" is not an answer. It must be something plausible and not contradicting other things. Magic is not the answer. That would be equal to: "We have no idea".
So each person has their own small moving dome above them? Yes the hanvey model works because it's a physical dome but we don't have a surface for the apparent sun to be projected on to.
@JournalofGeocentricCosmology so why can't I see the sun on the other side of the plane during USA midnight? Is it because Antarctica is closer to the firmaments outer wall and it refracts/reflects up against it somehow during its midnight?
That's great news well done,I have been wondering if this location is actually where they say it is as Vanson Mountain was named after a scientist. You can see a 24-hour Sun in December in places located within the Arctic Circle, such as northern parts of Norway, Sweden, Finland, Alaska, and parts of Canada. New Subscriber!
@paulreed8658 You can see a 24-hour sun in regions inside or near the Arctic Circle during the summer solstice, around June 21st each year. Locations like northern Norway, Sweden, Finland, parts of Alaska, Canada, and Russia experience the phenomenon known as the Midnight Sun, where the sun remains visible for the full 24 hours due to the Earth's axial tilt. These areas have continuous daylight during this time of the year, providing a unique and mesmerizing natural spectacle. Source: Scienceabc
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It's because it's an apparent reflection of the sun behind a super fluid medium below the reflective dome. That's why the Antarctica sun always looks so much different than the sun observed anywhere else.
@Flat_Works that's possible. I did that experiment in my kitchen with my children in the glass bowl. .. But also think it's highly possible that those guys just sold themselves out. And when Jaren came on that video he didn't look like somebody who was humbled he looked like somebody who was lying.. just my opinion right now it could be wrong
@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology ah, so this represnts that the sun is being refracted around the dome and the refracted light is creating the 24 hr sun. Wouldn't this be all year round though rather than just the summer? would you be able to do a 3d render showing the refraction work?
@Anontesla hello What wrong have I done ? I love many of Flat Earth people and Know. What You want to say ? And For sure awakening (some sort of demonic thing which is not Biblical) , yoga , astrology - these things are demonic.
Perspective rises and falls by 1 degree every 69 miles you move away from it. You can test this with Polaris. I am the developer of this model, let me know if you have any questions.
The reference to a curving dome that is encircling earth is incorrect. The firmament is a rectangular cubed enclosure. The land/earth isn't the firmament enclosure that is encompassing everything, the land earth is within the firmament. The top of the firmament is flat as are the four sides encompassing us & everything else. The bottom is somewhat undetermined & as the Abyss, bottomless pit. Scripture also speaks of gates, doors, windows, four corners, the depths beneath, foundation as well as pillars & far more. here's a few Scripture shared in parts regarding everything, my friend. Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness [a]was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. 3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. [b]So the evening and the morning were the first day. 6 Then God said, “Let there be a [c]firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” 7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day. 9 Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.11 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13 So the evening and the morning were the third day. 14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16 Then God made two great [d]lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. 17 God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.20 Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living [e]creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the [f]firmament of the heavens.” 21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.” 23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day. Genesis 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened. Genesis 8:2 The fountains of the deep and the windows of heaven were also stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained. Revelation 4:1After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” 2 At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it. 3 And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and ruby. A rainbow that shone like an emerald encircled the throne. 4 Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads. 5 From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. In front of the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits[a] of God. 6 Also in front of the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal. Revelation 6:12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and [g]behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the [h]moon became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14 Then the sky [i]receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, [j]the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
"The Flat Earth model" created by glober Walter Bislin with disclaimer that the data is taken from the heliocentric model and projected onto a flat Earth dome in a way which makes light bend in ways that are not pysically possible. Good job, flat-Earthers. Its a GLOBE PROJECTION.
@@JSSTyger Why would I give it to a glerf? Especially a lying glerf? Your lot tend to be terrible and dangerous people. You're a random nobody online, not entitled to anything.
Aside from a few locations/times in the north, the sun always travels out of viewing range. How could it not also move out of viewing range if someone were actually located on the lands that surrounds us/"antarctica"? Also, did the people who performed the "final experiment" prove where they actually were?
@@jd1677 I find it amusing globetardia claims to have sent a space probe to the sun to confirm the physical ball of fire nuclear fusion or whatever fiction you want to call it to explain your beliefs 🫡 touché
@@permafreemanshow4317 "Your floor will always be flat, water finding its level and no curvature can be detected" Repeating your lies doesn't make them true. If there was no curvature, we could see much further than we actually can.
You need to watch some of his other videos….he MEANS his FE model. He proved that a 24 hour Antarctic sun IS possible on FE. But if you’re still thinking about the sun simply being seen as it traverses around the tropic lines….it at first doesn’t seem to fit. Do a little more investigation 😁
Just use as many suns and domes as you need and put them wherever you want…Then say “well we figured it out!! The problem was we weren’t using enough suns and domes.”
Those are called Equatorial Grids, every person has one, even you, on the globe too. You can learn about this with Stellarium, turn on the Equatorial Grid using the menu on the bottom. Study science, don't deny it.
The video is NOT from Antarctica, relax ☝ There is no polar day there, otherwise they wouldn't have had to try to falsify it so many times ☝ and everyone would have been able to see it in December
Is the real sun orbiting the north pole, between the tropics? Do we see that sun? Tomorrow morning, in USA where I live, when I walk outside and look at the sun, am I looking at the "real sun" or an "apparent sun"?
We only ever see an Apparant Sun, even on the globe models too due to astromspheric conditions, etc. The major difference on Flat Earth is that we also have the sun shining through the Firmament which allows refraction up to 180 degrees. The concept revolves around understanding solar zeniths and how they correspond to latitude. You can replicate this process at home today, which validates the Scientific Method.
@@ishallneverdie2445, what do you mean? CGI in the video shows two suns: one going around the world and another one going around a person in Antarctica. How does that work?
regarding celestial bodies: → there is the physical location (the real location) → there is the apparent location (the view of humans' perspective from earth)
Genesis 1:9 And God [AbbaFather] said, “Let the waters under heaven[g] be gathered to one place, and let the dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 And [Abba Father] God called the dry ground “[earth],” and he called the collection of the waters “seas.” And [AbbaFather] God saw that it was good.
Yes but Steve Alonzo used the circumference of the earth to accurately measure flight distances!😂😂 No wonder he won the challenge and wonder why there was so many globers who submitted entries but only Steve Alonzo who used the circumference of the earth anyway! What a cheat!😂
Revelation 7:1After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. Revelation 15:2 And I saw something like a sea of glass mingled with fire, and those who have the victory over the beast, over his image and over his mark and over the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, having harps of God. Revelation 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth-Gog and Magog-and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire. Job 9:6 He shakes the earth out of its place, And its pillars tremble; 7 He commands the sun, and it does not rise; He seals off the stars; 8 He alone spreads out the heavens, And [b]treads on the [c]waves of the sea; 9 He made [d]the Bear, Orion, and the Pleiades, And the chambers of the south; 10 He does great things past finding out, Yes, wonders without number. Job 37:1 “At this also my heart trembles, And leaps from its place. 2 Hear attentively the thunder of His voice, And the rumbling that comes from His mouth. 3 He sends it forth under the whole heaven, His [a]lightning to the ends of the earth. 4 After it a voice roars; He thunders with His majestic voice, And He does not restrain them when His voice is heard. 5 God thunders marvelously with His voice; He does great things which we cannot comprehend. 6 For He says to the snow, ‘Fall on the earth’; Likewise to the [b]gentle rain and the heavy rain of His strength. 7 He seals the hand of every man, That all men may know His work. 8 The beasts go into dens, And remain in their lairs. 9 From the chamber of the south comes the whirlwind, And cold from the scattering winds of the north. 10 By the breath of God ice is given, And the broad waters are frozen. 11 Also with moisture He saturates the thick clouds; He scatters His [c]bright clouds.12 And they swirl about, being turned by His guidance, That they may do whatever He commands them On the face of [d]the whole earth. 13 He causes it to come, Whether for [e]correction, Or for His land, Or for mercy. 14 “Listen to this, O Job; Stand still and consider the wondrous works of God. 15 Do you know when God [f]dispatches them, And causes the light of His cloud to shine? 16 Do you know how the clouds are balanced, Those wondrous works of Him who is perfect in knowledge? 17 Why are your garments hot, When He quiets the earth by the south wind? 18 With Him, have you spread out the skies, Strong as a cast metal mirror?
@JournalofGeocentricCosmology So is the sun reflecting off an apparent dome inside the dome? If the sun is behind me how do I see a reflection in front of me? What is it reflecting off? If the 24 hour sun in Antarctica is a reflection of the actual sun then are we saying there is a dome within the dome because the sun has to have something to reflect off for me to see it if I'm facing away from the actual sun. Please explain.
Is this a parabolic dome reflection? Repeating along the great circle with the west to east ? Very impressive illustration. Perhaps you can draw the LINE showing the path direction from the SUN source of light?
@@Anontesla The sun is in the firmament, not outside. The sun moon and stars are all in the firmament. There is heaven where the birds fly, 2nd heaven with the sun moon and stars and then above the dome 3rd heaven.
Seem to have missed that second sun coming into frame? Also is this second southern sun only spinning in that one spot or are there multiple southern suns. Come on guys getting riddiculous and desperate
It is summer in the Antarctic. Means sun is in Capricorn while following the ecliptic in the sky. These two factors should make up the main parameters on the movement of the sun in your animation. Correct me if am wrong but the sun I. Your animation is way below Tropic of Capricorn.
No, the name is stated in video description. The Walter Bislin model was the first 3D model ever created, however it was limited to only the Sun, Moon, and Polaris; lacking significantly to what we created in 2024 with the Firmament Trackers Flat Earth App.
@@briancash1405 Actually Shane had very little to do with it. It was probably through Sly Sparkane or Wolfie that I was introduced to one of Walter Bislins' calculators.
First of all is the flat earth dome tilted....if not something wrong here. Am I'm the alone freaky person seeing the sun moving in a wave form like this〰️〰️〰️〽️〽️〽️ the moving like up down up down up down on flat earth it's just circles
The dome is not titled. You are thinking of the equatorial grid of perspective. That represents star trails and the celestial poles. It's of arbitrary size and is only to represent angles of elevation and compass direction. Yes it is really cool to be above to see it in 3D. This is something that's never been done before so it can confusing if you are only used to looking at the 2D birds eye view flat earth models.
Flat-Earth prediction? Really? Point me to where I can hear a flerf who predicting the altitudes of the Sun above the horizon with corresponding times. I’ll wait. LMAO! 🤣
@@jd1677 Walter Bislin’s model in 2017 was the first animated model to predict it. A model made by a globe proponent to try and falsify FE. The guy who made the video of this post is a flat earther who won all 3 of Will Duffy’s TFE challenges. He’s also the developer of the firmament trackers app that predicts the phenomenon as well.
@@josephhanvey5891 And I hope this doesn’t get me banned, but I’d still like to hear the explanation of how an equatorial mount works on a flat Earth, particularly South of the equator. A video would be super awesome for flat-Earth astronomers.
@ I’m planning on doing that one night soon. However it’s quite simple. They demand the earth be horizontal. There is no other way for them to work properly without a horizontal plane of reference to wrap a grid system around.
So what was the average AIRSPEED of the 4hour flight from Chile to Union Station?? Spinning Globe ----> -53 degrees latitude at Chile, South America ----> 780mph GROUND SPEED (does the air also move 780mph with the GROUND there in Punta Arenas??) Spinning Globe ----> -80 degrees latitude at Union Station, Antarctica ----> 180mph GROUND SPEED (does the air also move 180mph with the GROUND there at Union Station??) So the Airport at Union Station is supposed to PHYSICALLY be moving 600mph SLOWER to the West....than the Airport at Punta Arenas only 4hours away. How does an Airplane taking off with 780mph initial velocity to the West....then fly dead South towards an Airport and snow and mountains moving 600mph SLOWER to the West....and even be able to land?? How do you SLOW DOWN an Airplane taking off with 780mph initial velocity to the West...to a mere 180mph to the West...so it can line up with the Airport runway moving 180mph to the West (600mph SLOWER) than the one it took off from just 4hours earlier???? Please tell everyone how this is possible in the real world. I mean if you really were on a spinning ball in Punta Arenas moving 780mph to the West...on the runway before take off....and 4 hours away dead South was another runway moving 600mph SLOWER.....and you take off get up to say 500mph and keep that speed.......oh dear Lord this has now gone into the realm of Make Believe. Can anyone from TFE please tell me how to make this work in the real world??
“Dr” David. I didn’t get a chance to see the flight on FR24. Do you have the flight number? How long did the flight take? If the distance from Punta Arenas is approximately 1870 miles, then simple division should do quite nicely for an approximation of the average speed. Allowing for ascent and descent would be even better.
Some people just doesn't have a brain for physics. Yes, the air has basicly the same speed as the ground, otherwise you would constantly experience wind. The air plane has always a certain velocity relative to the air. Yes, it does slows down its westward speed. (by the way, this is an acceleration of 600 mph / 4h = 0.73 inches/sec² ..damn freedom units... or 0.0185 m/s²... or 0.0019 g ) But imagine this: You have a giant pool (lets say 10 meters (30 feet) in radius), that is rotating at 10 rpm ( so, the rim has a speed of about 10 m/s ). Would a swimmer, that starts from the center, would have trouble to reach a ladder on the edge of the pool?
Thanks for the feedback. I made the video and Joe is using it with permission from me. I will make sure to lower the audio is the next one. Sometimes the Latin music becomes too enjoyable for me and I forget its louder than should be.
Now consider the rainbow. i.e. arch , bow, halo, circle of earh & more. Pay attention ok my friend: Genesis 9:8 Then God spoke to Noah and to his sons with him, saying: 9 “And as for Me, behold, I establish My covenant with you and with your [a]descendants after you, 10 and with every living creature that is with you: the birds, the cattle, and every beast of the earth with you, of all that go out of the ark, every beast of the earth. 11 Thus I establish My covenant with you: Never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood; never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth.” 12 And God said: “This is the sign of the covenant which I make between Me and you, and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: 13 I set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for the sign of the covenant between Me and the earth. 14 It shall be, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow shall be seen in the cloud; 15 and I will remember My covenant which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh. 16 The rainbow shall be in the cloud, and I will look on it to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.” 17 And God said to Noah, “This is the sign of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that is on the earth.” Isaiah 40:22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. 2 Samuel 22:10 He bowed the heavens also, and came down With darkness under His feet. Psalm 18:9 He bowed the heavens also, and came down With darkness under His feet. Ezekiel 1:22 The likeness of the [f]firmament above the heads of the [g]living creatures was like the color of an awesome crystal, stretched out over their heads. 23 And under the firmament their wings spread out straight, one toward another. Each one had two which covered one side, and each one had two which covered the other side of the body. 24 When they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of many waters, like the voice of the Almighty, a tumult like the noise of an army; and when they stood still, they let down their wings. 25 A voice came from above the firmament that was over their heads; whenever they stood, they let down their wings. 26 And above the firmament over their heads was the likeness of a throne, in appearance like a sapphire stone; on the likeness of the throne was a likeness with the appearance of a man high above it. 27 Also from the appearance of His waist and upward I saw, as it were, the color of amber with the appearance of fire all around within it; and from the appearance of His waist and downward I saw, as it were, the appearance of fire with brightness all around. 28 Like the appearance of a rainbow in a cloud on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the brightness all around it. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord. Revelation 10:1I saw still another mighty angel coming down from heaven, clothed with a cloud. And a rainbow was on his head, his face was like the sun, and his feet like pillars of fire. Revelation 4:3 And He who sat there was like a jasper and a sardius stone in appearance; and there was a rainbow around the throne, in appearance like an emerald.
Agree. And it does not show the FIXED 24 hour sun of the globe model. We now have time laps video and testimony of the sun circling a stationary earth. FE confirmed.
If a local sun rotates 24 hours a day over the place in Antarctica where the TFE team is located, three things happen: 1) In Chile and Argentina they never have a Sun at its zenith at noon. Something that is false at this time of the year. 2) It would be nighttime, 24 hours a day in North America, Europe, Asia and Africa and 3) In the rest of the Antarctic "circle" it would be nighttime, although in reality, they are also seeing the SAME Sun, at the SAME time, for 24 hours.
@@sarlanga1991 1. Silly assumption without evidence. 2. Silly assumption without evidence 3. Silly assumption without evidence. The video shows the sun circling and a stationary earth. Testimony states a circling sun. Observation shows a circling sun and a stationary earth. FE - A stationary earth. Check ✔ And a circling sun Check ✔ Globe - A FIXED 24 hour sun Fail ❌ And a rotating earth Fail ❌ FE confirmed ✔
@@IvanMectinThe silly assumption is precisely yours, because those three phenomena I described to you occur if the earth were stationary while a local Sun revolves around a small geographic point all day, as YOU think.hahahaha. Just grab a FE map and look at it yourself (ignoring that Sun above a plane illuminate the entire surface).
Why is there light at the North Pole the entire time? It’s currently in completely darkness.
But you just have to imagine everything magically working on his model.
They can only come up with some idea of how a single observation might be possible (not really) on their flat earth.
They can't get everything we observe in reality to work at the same time.
It's moonlight in this model
@@canadaizacorp2203 So does the moon have its own light? Or is it reflecting sunlight? In this model.
Flat Earthers when ask ANY question. SHOULD JUST SAY "TAH DUH, MAGIC!!"
@@Zigma123... the Bible & the Book of Enoch say the moon has her own light, nothing to do with the sun's reflection.
lmao how is it possible for the sun to be over australia (north of the observed) but somehow they see the sun circling directly south. What physics is your “model” using
You are confused on the physical sun and the observers apparent sun due to perspective. I'm the developer if you have any questions.
@ that’s exactly what i’m asking. what mechanism/physics is using in the model to project a sun that is north on the other side of flat earth to appear south for the observe, directly opposite. The real sun is to their back and not visible, but the “apparent” sun is to their front? Why does this apparent sun not light up an equal amount of land area as the real sun opposite the earth? Lets have a back and forth so i can learn how this model works
also, what do you mean you are the developer? like you wrote the code? What differs yours from Walter Bislin
@@JournalofGeocentricCosmologyThe model is simply wrong because it does not respect physics as well as perspective.
@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology How many lines of longitude are there in this presentation?
Can you please explain not only how we observe the "sun," but also how we feel the heat and get sunburn, etc., with an apparent sun model. Also, plants seem to also react to the apparent sun and not the original source, (although there do not seem to be any plants in Antarctica).
There is no “apparent” Sun. Only the single, actual Sun is observed, exactly where it should be.
The only explanation is… The Earth is a globe. It’s as simple as that.
@@jd1677No its flat and these people are lying. It could be that they are at the northpole. I dont trust any or them. someone is lying here.
@@jd1677 Disagree 100%. Globe has already been falsified 100's of ways.
@@jd1677keep dreaming ❄️ flake
If the sun reflects on a mirror, will you feel the heat if you step into the reflected beam of light? Yes! Exactly the same, the dome reflects and refract sun light.
Lines connected to random dots dancing around somehow = EVERY flat earth prediction has come true. What?!?! I just cant anymore...
Yes this is Dome Refraction
@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology why the refraction only occur in thwe places on earth, north and South?
1) north pole is dark
2) explain the sun setting in Chile
3) explain how the sun goes behind them on your model
What is the mechanism that determines that the sun is going to do 24hr appearance... Why is the 24hr behavior not seen at the equator?
This is how flat earthers have always been: they try to explain a phenomenon and end up getting everything else wrong. For some reason it was disproved centuries and centuries ago...
@@sarlanga1991🤣🤣🤣 centuries ago EVERY group of people had their OWN Flat map. Joe's model shows everything. THE GLOBE IS DEAD
It's too far away from the firmament to make a reflection
@@briancash1405 1) all maps are flats... 2) Check the dates because it has been known for more than two thousand years that the Earth has a spherical shape or similar...
@@RascalKyng Because it's in the middle of the tropical gap.
But you haven't explain how amd why Sun is visible from South of this perspective done when sun is at Australia... Why its tilted? Why when sun over Australia not visible from Northern side of this perspective dome at Antarctica... What stoping this to from northen side but allowing it to visible from south side of perspective dome ....
Earth has a torodial field.
@FirmamentTrackersApp So toroidal filed bending sun light? Sun temperature?
@@FirmamentTrackersApp Which is what exactly?
OMG, this is the dumbest thing I ever heard. Wow, you guys really were dropped on your head as kids
This matches all of their observations.
😂😂
Ad hominem attack from globe worshiper. Again.
Sorry i dont understand your comment youtube doesn't translate hebrew
@JournalofGeocentricCosmology
What is the reflective surface and why don't we see 2 Suns when the reflection is south of Antarctica?
It's not a big win, because we are relying on cartoon models that doesn't show 24-hour darkness in the Arctic simultaneously 🤷🏾♂️
The visualization layer is not the same as the data layer. I developed the model. You can predict the 24 hour sun in Antarctica using Flat Earth Science without relying on any globe based models or any astronomical models at all. The concept revolves around understanding solar zeniths and how they correspond to latitude. You can replicate this process at home today, which validates the Scientific Method.
@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology Absolute gibberish..
@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology Show it
@@JournalofGeocentricCosmologynone of that made any sense.
@@usmcyounggun6879 bah, you don't know what you're talking about... If someone says lots of sciency sounding words you don't understand, that means they're smart and whatever they say should be immediately taken as incontrovertible fact with no further investigation. Unless it doesn't support your preferred conclusion, then they're a shill and it should be dismissed out of hand. 🧐
"if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bulls**t"
Stop pointing at the sky to tell me about the ground I live on. The Earth is a level plane.
How is it nighttime in chile punta arenas but daylight with a sun in sky just 1500 miles south and why doesn't that happen during winter. No reflectio, Does the light bend or jump over the night to reflect of the dome? You FE are dumb. One model cannot contradict the other. You have to produce multiple models to explain. Different phenomena. Explain the aurora australis. How is your south in every direction when thats not how magnets work? How does the magnetosphere work in FE? All with the same model. Explain asteroids. How do they get thru the "glass dome". Explain the 24 hr moon in antartica. Explain eclipses both solar and lunar. Explain difference in air densities. If the world is in a dome pressurized, why does oxigen and air thin out the higher we go? Explain tectonic shifts, earthquakes, the ring of fire in the pacific. Volcanoes where does the lava come from? Explain how a FE was able to fly direct feom Australia to Chile with the published flight plan from his gps tracker. Such a flight is imposible on the AE map as the time a d distance exceed current safety guidelines. Explain the coriolis effect. Explain spin of stars around the souther cross.
The fact you need several models to explain this many things should be you first indication that your models are wrong.
Hang on mate they can only get one thing at one location to work , you just got to imagine rest of the world doesn't exist at that moment (its joke )
I love the breaking of physics that has to go here for this work....hense why Walter Bislin who created this says he made it to show how stupid and impossible light has to bend to make it
😂😂😂😂😂😂 yet you believe in the ridiculous bending of space time and NEVER PROVEN gravity. You need 95% of "dark energy" and "dark matter"- also NEVER been proven, to make your ridiculous spinny waterball flying through space model
@@briancash1405 " yet you believe in the ridiculous bending of space time and NEVER PROVEN gravity." Still not true that gravity has never been proven but I know flat Earthers love to repeat lies. I guess weight isn't a thing in your world but that's ok.
"You need 95% of "dark energy" and "dark matter"- also NEVER been proven, to make your ridiculous spinny waterball flying through space model" Again: not true. We had the model of our solar system long before thinking of Dark Matter. Dark Matter is just our best guess for some anomalies we found in the universe. Not knowing everything doesn't mean things don't work. By your logic humans weren't able to breath before we discovered oxygen.
I think you guys are pretty funny though. The globe can't be true because of things you don't understand or misunderstand but a flat Earth is fine although it literally needs magic. Something as simple as a sunset doesn't make sense on a flat Earth. I know, some of you try perspective but everyone who knows how perspective works, knows it doesn't make things disappear from the bottom up.
You guys even fail to see the irony in your "we see too far" attempts. It's the other way around: we don't see far enough far a flat Earth.
@briancash1405 I don't need any of those things and never claimed them. Also earths a globe measurably and the sun in Antarctica proves it
@@briancash1405space time curvature has been experimentally tested and confirmed. See the Eddington Experiment with the deflection of light around the sun. See observed and recorded gravitational lensing
@@briancash1405
Gravity is easy Brian,a little research on Bombs from aircraft will help your education, Barnes Wallis created the Tallboy and Grandslam Earthquake bombs, dropped from 18000 ft they accelerated to almost the speed of sound, not quite breaking the sound barrier, they needed more altitude as the Lancaster Bomber had maxed out on altitude.
Hiroshima had the Atomic Bomb Little Boy, dropped from 31660 ft it fell for 43 seconds.
Space time alters and has been proven by using Atomic clocks on GPS Satellites,to deny science and believe that a pancake-domed planet with or without an invisible sky daddy is merely a mental health issue.
The challenges were completely loaded questions. Duffy was like i need to see the measurement of the firmament curvature, how about Duffy shows us a measurement of the earths curvature
@@kingovredcar3090 I'm Steven. I was still able to show my math for why the Flat Earth model is accurate.
Will you share it with everyone, please?
@@jd1677 He shared. Wolfie (an airline pilot) used his "math" to calculate a flight route, and between two airports 10 miles apart his math gave 2800km. He is obviously a scammer trying to sell e-books, as you can see in his youtube and facebook page.
@@guidouradosI was referring to Steven’s math.
He asked because the participant gave actual numbers for the firmament, so he is only checking the source of those numbers (which he took from the so claimed radius of the earth). But why can't you show measurements of the firmament? A very common question we see is "show measurement of the curve", so why the question "show measurements of the firmament" is not endorsed by you?
This is indeed how it is with celestial bodies
you don't see their physical location
you see their apparent location
_edit:_
_unless the physical location is within your perspective_
GOLD
that said, if Witsit's testimony&footage is *not legitimate and there's actually no 24h sun in Antarctica, it would mean that the sun does not have an apparent location
lool ffs, GO EARN YOUR FAMILY SOME MONEY
So is that Sun a duplicate Sun, or is it THE Sun? I'm confused by the bit where there are TWO Suns joined by a piece of string. How does that work?
@@Sqort-em7or there is only one sun. Every observer has their perspective relative to them. For example Polaris is a gold example. If will appear lower when you walk away from. Lowering in your perspective by 1 degree every 69 miles you move away
@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology
Interesting. That math is exactly what a globe Earth predicts. 1 degree of curvature every 69 miles for a circumference of approximately 24,850 miles.
@@JournalofGeocentricCosmologylol, liar
Simplemente no funciona. No tiene sentido.
@@JournalofGeocentricCosmologyEstas olvidando que Polaris debe ser la estrella más alta en el firmamento. Por ende, en una Tierra plana nunca se vería cerca del horizonte.
All these people in the comments don't know what a reflection is or never looked in a mirror apparently lol. "Light in sky make ground a ball"
1) a ball of reflected light changes its size depending on the distance from the light source. 2) The Sun cannot reflect balls because it is not a flashlight: it emanates light in all directions. 3) If we take the example of the video, it is very stupid to think that the Sun can be reflected in "something" when it is over Australia (on the other side of the planet) but when the Sun reaches Argentina and is in front of the observer, the reflected light "disappears." (If that were the case, the observer should see the "real Sun" in the north and the "projected Sun" in the South at the same time.) In short, it is a much more anti-scientific system that is forced to not accept reality: that on a flat earth with a local sun they cannot see the south when they are in Antarctica, much less see them 24 hours a day.
Light in the sky of antartica for 24hrs makes the world a sphere due to the earths tilt.
Except when you ask somebody where the sun is on the other side of the country at the same time of the day. Fail. Model falsified.
And they will confirm the Sun is exactly where the model shows them. This is called the Solar Zenith and the latitude and longitude is easily verified.
@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology try again. CT and his friend in Brisban did it live and it didn't work on the stupid AE model.
@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology This model shows the sun over Antartcia at the same time it would be seen over Africa but completely dark in the North Pole.. you know.. the area the light would have to travel over to get to Africa.
Your grift is so easily debunked I'm surprised (not really) you have people commenting on it.. Grasping at straws at it's finest!
Cool how flat earth won all 3.
Please explanation needed
Do you know that it's about this FE submitter winning the FE submissions predictions (and he was the only one that submitted something in all 3 categories for FE), right? Which means 3 globers won 3 of the globe predictions submissions. Are you part of the lie or being lied to?
@@BrickWilbur2020 They are lying to you, this is the explanation. Both this channel and this Alonzo guy is pushing courses, e-books and apps through a series of distorted lies about TFE. He was the only FE submitter for the 3 FE predictions challenges, so he "won" the Flat Earth submissions. He used globe numbers (like radius) in his submissions, btw. And 3 globers won the 3 globe predictions challenges.
As my other comments states:
"Do you know that it's about this FE submitter winning the FE submissions predictions (and he was the only one that submitted something in all 3 categories for FE), right? Which means 3 globers won 3 of the globe predictions submissions. Are you part of the lie or being lied to?"
"He shared. Wolfie (an airline pilot) used his "math" to calculate a flight route, and between two airports 10 miles apart his math gave 2800km."
@@guidourados Globie and reality denier wastes over $500,000 and the sun produces No spin and No curve of said spinning ball. One of the biggest failures of the Helios globe religion.
@@FlatWater588 Part of the lie it is! U go on and do your mega job my man, scam the rest of this community, sell the app, e-books, push everything.
The circumference of the Earth at 8° North latitude is approximately 39,900 kilometers (or 24,800 miles)
It is 12,400 miles from Phuket Thailand to the Republic of Panama Central America also located 8° North latitude
At sunset in Phuket,,, At the exact same time sunrise is occurring in the Republic of Panama 12,400 miles away.
Using simple trigonometry for this to occur on a flat Earth The sun must have an altitude above the flat Earth of 54.09 miles
Angle A 0.25° (Angle of the sun above the horizon at sunset)
Angle B 90°
Angle C 89.75°
Side a 54.09 miles (Sun at 54.09 mi above its surface of the Flat Earth)
Side b 12,396.52 miles
Side c 12,396.64 miles
Isn't math fun It never lies
Flatzoid and his crew are saying this is direct proof.
Why doesn't this fool cover the entire rim with these domes and show how that works.
He must have been so proud of himself when he made this. He should have looked in the middle of the map. Full 24 hour sun
I have a new video with 4 observers along the outter rim. I'm the developer of this model.
So how does the sun go SOUTH of the Tropic or Capricorn?
It’s a house of mirrors
@jennaluvsflatearth8303 Job 37:18 Jubilee Bible 2000 Hast thou with him spread out the sky, which is strong and as a molten looking glass?
So this model assumes 2 suns? Just curious..
No. The sun is refracting on the reflective dome around the regions of Antarctica. It's really awesome. Watch his videos to understand. #FlatEarthforever.
@@rasta4eye480 It's complete BS.
assuming that the Sun is a "flashlight" that points its photons in a single direction. If this projection took the real Sun, we would see multiple suns...
@@rasta4eye480Assuming this is the case: 1) they have the equipment to know if it is a "projected sun" or the Sun as it is; 2) at some point two suns must be seen: the real one, seen in the north, and the "projected" one, seen in the south (if the sun can be projected on the supposed dome being on the opposite side of the world, even more so must be seen from the front); 3) Differences in the size of the projection should be perceived depending on the distance from the real Sun (something that does not happen, obviously). 4) The Midnight Sun is not seen exclusively where the TFE equipment is located, but in almost all of Antarctica: looking at it from a flat Earth perspective, the Midnight Sun is seen throughout the Antarctic Circle, therefore the Sun must be projected everywhere. addresses. If the Sun manages to do that, it will also be able to do it along the supposed dome, with which we would see suns all the time from different points on the Earth...
@@rasta4eye480 Light does not magically break like that, stop fooling yourself.
Is this a debunk or a bunk? I'm getting confused :-))
Epic footage by Dave. It will live forever.
Definitely debunks flat-Earth. They made no “predictions”. lol
@@pwmiles56 this has confirmed the Flat Earth model.
@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology MODEL DO NOT EXIST!! AE MAP IS DEAD!! TFE JUST DEBUNKED IT :d
@@wideotekatwilight Globie and reality denier wastes over $500,000 and the sun produces No spin and No curve of said spinning ball. One of the biggest failures of the Helios globe religion.
@@wideotekatwilightWhat they are proving is everyone has their own personal ferment...?!?
THAT is supposed to be evidence for a flat earth? Seriously? The only thing you’re confirming is your refusal to be honest about nature. It’s tragic.
😂😂😂😂😂😂 you guys have been crying for a model. Now we have one and all you have is Nuh Huh.
@@briancash1405 "Now we have one and all you have is Nuh Huh." Nope, "nuh huh" is claiming all footage of Earth from space was CGI without providing proof. We're just pointing out obvious flaws in this model. It simply doesn't match reality. As I pointed out in another comment at about 0:45 the sun is on the complete opposite side of Earth. How is it possible that the sun on the other side of the flat Earth illuminates the observer in Antarctica while a lot of land in between is in darkness? No, claiming it would somehow be reflected doesn't cut it. You'd see the reflected light in the areas between the sun and Antarctica, too.
@@briancash1405 There is no explanation of what is going on in this video. Just some yellow dots with lines connecting them.
@@briancash1405 brian, this is not a model, this is hot garbage giving no answers and raising only further questions.
@@briancash1405 why the sun is not changing size in the source video? wasn't night on FE caused by sun being far away? why is the apparent sun showing up on the opposite side of the "reflection dome" (?) as it goes away? what even causes this "reflection dome" effect in the first place? if it's just perspective, why there is not a 24h apparent sun everywhere?
Why is the rest of the ice wall dark? Can you add a few more domes and suns?
😂😭 That legit made my day. A+ Poe brother.
So, how do you account for the speed the sun would have to be traveling? If the sun is visible in Chile for 14 hours, then it travels around the rest of the space pizza in 10 hours? YOUR MODEL DOESN'T WORK WITH ANYTHING MORE THAN 6 HOURS OF SUN ANY PLACE WE CONSIDER THE SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE
Superb visualization thank you very much. Now I understand why they pick this timing to go down there it was all set up but the controllers.
"The controllers" please provide evidence of this other than "trust me bro." List the controllers, name them.
What an ignorant statement! If someone has to ask who the controllers are it's pointless even continuing with them. Good luck smart guy@@MotownModels
JESUS MAN!! YOU SHOULD BE IGNORED, CAUSE YOU USED GLOBE MATH!! IT WAS PROVEN TO YOU!! YOU WERE NOT THROWN AWAY< CAUSE DUFFY SAID FROM THE VERY BEGINNING... FE ENTRY WILL BE ACCEPTED :d
@@willdavis5636 please tell me the names of the controllers. Not some broad agency or entity, but actual people. You people are losers who just want to feel like you have special information that others don't know about
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What? Sorry but this does NOT prove FE, and I'm a flat earther. This is embarrassing. It could ONLY work if a person was standing at one spot on the ice wall, and seeing the sun make a little local circle around him, not going dark while the sun is way over 1000s of miles on the other side of the fe.
They are standing at one spot
@rzella8022 So, you all were wrong. Plenty of us tried to warn you. It is an apparent sun. Nothing is physical. It is a projection of the "real sun" that circles in the 2d ecliptic plane around the black hole, which is in the perfect center of the vortex at the N Pole. This is why ancients said, "Only one sun, but seen in many places." The two magnetic fields (n hemisphere and s hem) are like two ring magnets that separate (n winter) and come closer (s winter) over the course of a year. Tomb of Ellumination has been putting out the truth for 7years now, but because his pedagogy is challenging, ppl wrote him off. Imo, he's been right since day one, and this further proves it.
@@TheJonny01But if the Sun were over Australia, according to this model, it is impossible for South America to be nighttime and where the TFE team is standing to be daytime.
I don't think anyone said it proves flat earth. It is what the FE predicted.
Flerfs contradicting each other, who would have thought. Strange that that never happens about the globe model for normal people.
And At That Last Portion we have to observe then 2 suns at that point in Antarctica, so why not seen ?
Ok, so you show a cartoon and you say ''this is the flat earth model '' and we just have to believe that? Cool story, bro... Your evidence-free cartoon is 100% worthless...
The visualization layer is separate from the data layer.
@@FirmamentTrackersApp But still just a worthless cartoon though
what happens to this little dome 6 months from now when its supposed to be 24 hours of darkness?
The little dome is always there, it is arbitrary and doesn't exist in real life, it's just your perspective. For example during Sunrises and Sunsets we know that the Sun is not actually rising and setting into the ground.
@JournalofGeocentricCosmology again, though, wouldn't this effect occur during the period when no sun is supposed to he visible? And how is sunlight reaching or perspective from across the earth?
@@xiTzShAdOwx The "effect" you're referring to is just the humans' perspective from their position on earth; it is always present, regardless of the sun, or anything else.
As for sunlight reaching from across the earth, it is due to sunlight reflecting on the firmament.
@ishallneverdie2445 how is that light reaching the wall from across the earth though? I thought the reason we don't see the sun at all hours of the day was because the atmosphere was too thick for light to reach through. And why would the light suddenly stop reflecting off the wall during through the rest of the year? And as for the reflection, couldn't a sun filter be used to determine if it was a reflection or the actual sun? This model is certainly interesting, but it's a stretch to assume this accurately reflects what we see in reality
The light reaching the wall from across the earth is due to it reflecting on the firmament all around. To see you can type in google images _"coffee cup caustic",_ or use your phone's flashlight inside some type of bowl.
The effect differs based on the sun's varying altitudes throughout the months.
_"Couldn't a sun filter be used to determine if it was a reflection or the actual sun?"_
Since I think that the part of the perceived location of the sun which is inside the firmament (displayed in the video) is the apparent location *of the actual sun, I would say no, but I'm not sure.
And, regarding whether a sun filter could be used to determine it for the part of the perceived location of the sun which is outside the firmament, I don't know.
Yeah we can't blindly believe the reasonings&experiments of sinners or what models they come up with.
We can only blindly believe what GOD's word says.
Funny how the entire earth is lit up at all times in your model huh?
That's what a small local light source above the dirt pizza will do for you. Like all normal people have tried to get you guys to understand for 10 years now.
Joseph”s sun count is rightfully jumping like a 🦘 lol amen
How can one travel through the dome to end up being under it?
yeah this model is stupid and makes no sense. I think they are lying and those two FEs are controlled opposition. But the truth will come out at some point anyway. it could have been done this summer in the northpole and they are releasing it now. The earth is flat, no doubt. They cannot fool me.
In a soul
Teleportation
You can't, Blanche! We're trapped like RATS.
@@pilgrimsnest592 were't they live streaming at some point, even calling by phone a flat earther ( sorry, I forgot his name, I believe it's Oackley).
Plus, north pole isn't a continent, there's no mountain.
Weird. So there is one big sun circulating on a plane earth and one small one locally? Or what this the physics behind it, please elaborate or refer me to a qualified link. Thanks.
Reflection
@@Alex-d3b4d I'm the developer of the model. The large Sun is the only physical Sun located at the Solar Zenith. As it shines through the Firmament dome refraction causes us to see all celestial objects through our own perspective.
Everyone sees objects different. So if we plotted multiple observers there would be two smaller Suns.
Just like Polaris and how it's declination is 1 degree every 69 miles we move away from it despite its physical altitude never changing.
Is not the real sun that's why it looks fake and glitchy
It's a reflection off the dome at that angle.
@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology And a billion observers would generate a billion smaller Suns?
Yeah, sure, that was totally predicted. How many different suns do you see at Antarctica? People actually think this is real? Hilarious.
Btw: what is this huge light in the middle where we currently have 24h of darkness?
Only one Sun. The smaller equatorial grids show the observer perspective.
@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology How exactly does the light manage to light up Antarctica while it doesn't light up a lot of Earth between the sun and Antarctica? At 0:45 for example the sun is pretty much on the other side of the Earth from the observers in Antarctica. There is a direct line between the sun and the observer that goes over areas that currently experience 24h of darkness. How can one sun illuminate something on the other side of Earth while keeping the middle in the dark?
The globe earth completely done by this. And now the last straw: The globe earth, using a proper scaled model, cannot have a 24 hours Sun anywhere: th-cam.com/video/R96llz3K9As/w-d-xo.html
The diagram is in 10:58 of the video. It is from a book written by flat earther Albert Smith in the 19th century. To be able to see a 24 hours Sun in the globe earth, the Sun would need to rise to position Q in the diagram, but since the globe earth model puts the Sun's Zenith in the Summer solstice in point F, that could take the role of either Capricorn or Cancer Tropic (since in the globe the observer is considered to be at the top of the globe), it is clear that the observer, that would be at point M, would have to look down and through the physical dimensions of the earth to actually see the Sun at midnight in both hemispheres, which is a complete impossibility.
Where exactly is the proper scale? It shows a tiny sun close to Earth. The sun is huge in very far away.
@@ruor1984 Both are equivalent. The angular size is the same. And it does not change a iota. Sun cannot go beyond F, the Tropic. Game over.
@@VitorDamasceno-q3f It's obviously not the same. You claimed it was to scale and it is obviously not. You can claim it was equivalent all you want. It's not. You were simply lying about it being "to scale". Of course it would be very different with a sun that is way bigger than Earth and emits light.
sun glitches out too much in the timelapse
Maybe because is a reflection of the real sun?
It's a 60 second timelapse but they have over 100TB so terabytes of data they are bringing back. Can't upload it all from Antarctica.
What happened to the dome?
Currently it doesn't fit his narrative.... I'm sure it'll get back when it does.
Its ridiculous 😂😂😂
What aspect did you have trouble understanding?
This doesn't explaina nything.
Why would an observer in Antartica, see the, that is above Mexico, in the opposite direction as a sun above China, even tho they woul be in the same direction of the observer?
It is basicly the same angle of incidence.
Why are the sun and moon circling the Pacific?
If they were doing that, how would they be observing a 24 hour Sun in Antarctica and no Moon?
The Sun and Moon circle above our Flat Earth.
@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology But why does this model have them circling over the Pacific? Don’t they circle the North Pole?
time of the year ofc
I don't get it. Is there more in-depth explanation?
The Journal of Geocentric Cosmology has a 27minute 4K video with multiple observers plotted in real time using the model. It will help clarify things.
Yes!! I was so sick of hearing from the ppl who were dissappointed. I'm thrilled!!!! Now the community can get on board with reality instead of drowning out the voices that told you this would happen.
Grasping at those straws huh? Look closer. Ask yourself does this actually work? Don't just take this because it reaffirms your belief. He's feeding you just what you want to see.
@JeepinReefer406 For 7 years now, every observation I already knew, and then new ones I'd personally discover match Tomb's model. Hanby also recently made a visual representation of exactly what Tomb has been saying FOR YEARS. Tomb's pedagogy may be convoluted at times, but it is understandable for sure. I'm gobsmacked that so many people think this realm should be fully explained in a couple of twitter- ready sentences. The whole system is more complex than that, with multiple layers of factors all converging to create the phenomena we see as the apparent sun inside our personal "arc of horizon," as Tomb of Ellumination calls it, or our "personal dome of vision," as DITRH calls it, or simply our "azimithal grid of vision" as mainstream science calls it. This is exactly why ppl were upset with Jeran for not understanding that the 24-hour sun, after Dec. 21 has already been expected by a good chunk of us in the FE community. The only ppl who FEEL like this is grasping at straws are the ones who were wrong. Some of us feel vibdicated, especially because we were poo-pooed in the ridiculous run-up to this false dichotomy of an "experiment."
@JeepinReefer406 Tomb of Ellumination vindicated and unfalsified again.
@@joanmargaret4899 not sure what you are saying here. Nothing has been vindicated by this model. It's literally the same model that flat domed earthers have been spouting. The stars don't work how we see them, and the sun doesn't act this way.
@JeepinReefer406 You just don't have the info. Tomb of Ellumination has definitely been vindicated. Nothing is physical. It's all a 3d projection from the 2d ecliptic plane inverted in South. Two ring magnets circling the central vortex. N closest then s. ring. Gotta erase both globe and typical (popular) FE set up. I can't explain it in this short format only with words- as is happening, you won't be able to follow. Tomb of Ellumination has laid it out numerous times but like I said, his pedagogy is tricky. EVERYTHING he says is verified so far by the reality we see.
Honestly, this didn't win, it's just the least crappy entrant.
It matches all observations.
Actually what if they just went to the other side of Antarctica? Would it do the same thing? What if someone went on the completely opposite side of the "world" Antarctica.... No matter where you're at on the whole ice wall it's always going to have a 24-hour sun? Until somebody flys south and immediately starts going north again I'm out on the ball.
The problem with a local sun circling any part of FE Antarctica (which we know from Jeran and Witsit it currently is) is that it would mean like 2/3 of the world should be now completely dark, especially Australia.
From parallel 70°S to 90°S, the SAME Sun is seen, at the SAME time, for 24 hours. That means that throughout the Antarctic "ring" of flat-earthism it is daylight 24 hours a day. Obviously, this video is an idea as desperate as it is refutable...
So the moon is brighter than the sun in your model?
What is the mechanism "translating" Sun location from its actual to the apparent? How it works without distortion, and heat coming from the apparent and making the real Sun invisible? How it keeps the same side of the Sun visible for everybody all over the World? How is the Sun kept not just the correct face and shape, but also the correct size all the time, for everybody, everywhere, all at the same time?
Just putting observation onto a AE map is not an answer.
Saying "It might be" is not an answer. It must be something plausible and not contradicting other things.
Magic is not the answer. That would be equal to: "We have no idea".
So each person has their own small moving dome above them? Yes the hanvey model works because it's a physical dome but we don't have a surface for the apparent sun to be projected on to.
No. It's a perspective grid. No different than the Equatorial Grid of Perspective. It's arbitrary.
@JournalofGeocentricCosmology so why can't I see the sun on the other side of the plane during USA midnight? Is it because Antarctica is closer to the firmaments outer wall and it refracts/reflects up against it somehow during its midnight?
That's great news well done,I have been wondering if this location is actually where they say it is as Vanson Mountain was named after a scientist.
You can see a 24-hour Sun in December in places located within the Arctic Circle, such as northern parts of Norway, Sweden, Finland, Alaska, and parts of Canada.
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…name a city in the northern hemisphere that you can see a 24h sun during December. I think you mean 24hrs of no sun?
@paulreed8658 You can see a 24-hour sun in regions inside or near the Arctic Circle during the summer solstice, around June 21st each year. Locations like northern Norway, Sweden, Finland, parts of Alaska, Canada, and Russia experience the phenomenon known as the Midnight Sun, where the sun remains visible for the full 24 hours due to the Earth's axial tilt. These areas have continuous daylight during this time of the year, providing a unique and mesmerizing natural spectacle.
Source: Scienceabc
How come the sun doesn't change apperent size? How does your model "predict" that?
That's how refraction works
Job 38:1 Then the Lord spoke to Job out of the storm. He said: 2 “Who is this that obscures my plans with words without knowledge? 3 Brace yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer me. 4 “Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand. 5 Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! Who stretched a measuring line across it? 6 On what were its footings set, or who laid its cornerstone- 7 while the morning stars sang together and all the angels[a] shouted for joy? 8 “Who shut up the sea behind doors when it burst forth from the womb, 9 when I made the clouds its garment and wrapped it in thick darkness, 10 when I fixed limits for it and set its doors and bars in place, 11 when I said, ‘This far you may come and no farther; here is where your proud waves halt’? 12 “Have you ever given orders to the morning, or shown the dawn its place, 13 that it might take the earth by the edges and shake the wicked out of it?14 The earth takes shape like clay under a seal; its features stand out like those of a garment. 15 The wicked are denied their light, and their upraised arm is broken. 16 “Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea or walked in the recesses of the deep? 17 Have the gates of death been shown to you? Have you seen the gates of the deepest darkness? 18 Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth? Tell me, if you know all this.19 “What is the way to the abode of light? And where does darkness reside? 20 Can you take them to their places? Do you know the paths to their dwellings? 21 Surely you know, for you were already born! You have lived so many years!22 “Have you entered the storehouses of the snow or seen the storehouses of the hail, 23 which I reserve for times of trouble, for days of war and battle? 24 What is the way to the place where the lightning is dispersed, or the place where the east winds are scattered over the earth? 25 Who cuts a channel for the torrents of rain, and a path for the thunderstorm, 26 to water a land where no one lives, an uninhabited desert, 27 to satisfy a desolate wasteland and make it sprout with grass? 28 Does the rain have a father? Who fathers the drops of dew? 29 From whose womb comes the ice? Who gives birth to the frost from the heavens 30 when the waters become hard as stone, when the surface of the deep is frozen?31 “Can you bind the chains[b] of the Pleiades? Can you loosen Orion’s belt? 32 Can you bring forth the constellations in their seasons[c] or lead out the Bear[d] with its cubs? 33 Do you know the laws of the heavens? Can you set up God’s[e] dominion over the earth? 34 “Can you raise your voice to the clouds and cover yourself with a flood of water? 35 Do you send the lightning bolts on their way? Do they report to you, ‘Here we are’?
Jeremiah 31:37
This is what the Lord says: “Only if the heavens above can be measured and the foundations of the earth below be searched out will I reject all the descendants of Israel because of all they have done,” declares the Lord.
Jeremiah 51:53 Even if Babylon ascends to the heavens and fortifies her lofty stronghold, I will send destroyers against her,” declares the Lord.
Psalm 33:6 By the word of the Lord the heavens were made, And all the host of them by the breath of His mouth.
Isaiah 34:4 All the host of heaven shall be dissolved, And the heavens shall be rolled up like a scroll; All their host shall fall down As the leaf falls from the vine, And as fruit falling from a fig tree.
Isaiah 45:12 I have made the earth, And created man on it. I-My hands-stretched out the heavens, And all their host I have commanded.
Isaiah 66:Thus says the Lord: “Heaven is My throne, And earth is My footstool. Where is the house that you will build Me? And where is the place of My rest? 2 For all those things My hand has made, And all those things exist,” Says the Lord. “But on this one will I look: On him who is poor and of a contrite spirit, And who trembles at My word.
Amos 9:6 he builds his lofty palace[a] in the heavens and sets its foundation[b] on the earth; he calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out over the face of the land- the Lord is his name.
Acts 7:48 “However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands, as the prophet says: 49 ‘Heaven is My throne, And earth is My footstool. What house will you build for Me? says the Lord, Or what is the place of My rest? 50 Has My hand not made all these things?’
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Very cool 🤩👍
The sun in that video looks kind of fake and glitchy sometimes. Maybe just cuz it's a time-lapse
We will be getting more footage. The background mountains absolutely everyone's live streams.
Is a reflection of the real sun, nada knows that that's why they don't upload to many videos on their website about the antarctic 24 hrs sun,
It's because it's an apparent reflection of the sun behind a super fluid medium below the reflective dome. That's why the Antarctica sun always looks so much different than the sun observed anywhere else.
@Flat_Works that's possible. I did that experiment in my kitchen with my children in the glass bowl. ..
But also think it's highly possible that those guys just sold themselves out.
And when Jaren came on that video he didn't look like somebody who was humbled he looked like somebody who was lying.. just my opinion right now it could be wrong
@No1LikeYahuah I’ve watched it several times in 4K and see no glitching whatsoever.
i mean, what the actual does Animation actually represent?
Dome Refraction. I'm the developer of the model used if you have any questions.
@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology ah, so this represnts that the sun is being refracted around the dome and the refracted light is creating the 24 hr sun. Wouldn't this be all year round though rather than just the summer? would you be able to do a 3d render showing the refraction work?
Are there 2 suns. And Does it's reflection have sun spots . The Light is So bright and it cannot replicate or mirror sun spots.
Earth is a Globe
No, it’s not that is funny as hell Spark you need to look into it for real or watch the awakening of Owen Benjamin best of luck hope you wake up
@Anontesla hello What wrong have I done ?
I love many of Flat Earth people and Know.
What You want to say ?
And For sure awakening (some sort of demonic thing which is not Biblical) , yoga , astrology - these things are demonic.
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If this perspective dome exists for every observer, why can't everyone in the world see a circling Sun? Why only those in Antarctica can see it?
Perspective rises and falls by 1 degree every 69 miles you move away from it. You can test this with Polaris. I am the developer of this model, let me know if you have any questions.
We will be adding a new feature for Joe's Biblical model that will be available in the Free version of our App.
you forsaken by god grifter. May the great one spare thy soul when your judgement comes.
Reality is becoming clearer and more fascinating with every factual observation. It's cool as sh*t to be alive right now.
The reference to a curving dome that is encircling earth is incorrect. The firmament is a rectangular cubed enclosure. The land/earth isn't the firmament enclosure that is encompassing everything, the land earth is within the firmament. The top of the firmament is flat as are the four sides encompassing us & everything else. The bottom is somewhat undetermined & as the Abyss, bottomless pit. Scripture also speaks of gates, doors, windows, four corners, the depths beneath, foundation as well as pillars & far more. here's a few Scripture shared in parts regarding everything, my friend.
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness [a]was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. 3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. [b]So the evening and the morning were the first day. 6 Then God said, “Let there be a [c]firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.” 7 Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day. 9 Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. 10 And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.11 Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so. 12 And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13 So the evening and the morning were the third day. 14 Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years; 15 and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so. 16 Then God made two great [d]lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also. 17 God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth, 18 and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.20 Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living [e]creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the [f]firmament of the heavens.” 21 So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.” 23 So the evening and the morning were the fifth day.
Genesis 7:11
In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, on that day all the fountains of the great deep were broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
Genesis 8:2
The fountains of the deep and the windows of heaven were also stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained.
Revelation 4:1After this I looked, and there before me was a door standing open in heaven. And the voice I had first heard speaking to me like a trumpet said, “Come up here, and I will show you what must take place after this.” 2 At once I was in the Spirit, and there before me was a throne in heaven with someone sitting on it. 3 And the one who sat there had the appearance of jasper and ruby. A rainbow that shone like an emerald encircled the throne. 4 Surrounding the throne were twenty-four other thrones, and seated on them were twenty-four elders. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads. 5 From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. In front of the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits[a] of God. 6 Also in front of the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal.
Revelation 6:12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and [g]behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the [h]moon became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14 Then the sky [i]receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, [j]the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”
Has anyone come across/seen the Antarctic Ice Wall??
"The Flat Earth model" created by glober Walter Bislin with disclaimer that the data is taken from the heliocentric model and projected onto a flat Earth dome in a way which makes light bend in ways that are not pysically possible. Good job, flat-Earthers. Its a GLOBE PROJECTION.
Nope, the video is showing the Firmament Trackers Flat Earth model.
@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology Whats the address for the main "flat earth university" building?
@@JSSTyger Why would I give it to a glerf? Especially a lying glerf? Your lot tend to be terrible and dangerous people. You're a random nobody online, not entitled to anything.
Although I find this video and your app view fascinating, I found the app very difficult to understand and use when I downloaded it.
Aside from a few locations/times in the north, the sun always travels out of viewing range. How could it not also move out of viewing range if someone were actually located on the lands that surrounds us/"antarctica"? Also, did the people who performed the "final experiment" prove where they actually were?
In Antarctica obviously. It is the only place that has 24 hours of Sun these weeks from the 70th to the 90th parallel.
1) Antarctica doesn't surround us. It's a continent with the South Pole at its centre.
2) Yes, they proved where they were.
@@Andyroid62 Source - "Trust me, bro". . .
@@sarlanga1991 Source - "Trust me, bro". . .
This is absolutely ridiculous. The sun is not even following the map anymore. You got it all over the place. Stop with your lies and accept defeat
I find it to be amusing, although it’s a bit worrisome that anyone would actually buy into it. 😂🤨
Your floor will always be flat, water finding its level and no curvature can be detected 🤷
@@jd1677 I find it amusing globetardia claims to have sent a space probe to the sun to confirm the physical ball of fire nuclear fusion or whatever fiction you want to call it to explain your beliefs 🫡 touché
@@permafreemanshow4317 "Your floor will always be flat, water finding its level and no curvature can be detected" Repeating your lies doesn't make them true. If there was no curvature, we could see much further than we actually can.
You need to watch some of his other videos….he MEANS his FE model. He proved that a 24 hour Antarctic sun IS possible on FE. But if you’re still thinking about the sun simply being seen as it traverses around the tropic lines….it at first doesn’t seem to fit. Do a little more investigation 😁
This would cause a 24 hour sun in Antarctica year round. Why in July is there not a 24 hr sun?
altitude
Just use as many suns and domes as you need and put them wherever you want…Then say
“well we figured it out!! The problem was we weren’t using enough suns and domes.”
Those are called Equatorial Grids, every person has one, even you, on the globe too. You can learn about this with Stellarium, turn on the Equatorial Grid using the menu on the bottom. Study science, don't deny it.
@@JournalofGeocentricCosmologybullshit
No domes
You lie
The video is NOT from Antarctica, relax ☝ There is no polar day there, otherwise they wouldn't have had to try to falsify it so many times ☝ and everyone would have been able to see it in December
Is the real sun orbiting the north pole, between the tropics? Do we see that sun? Tomorrow morning, in USA where I live, when I walk outside and look at the sun, am I looking at the "real sun" or an "apparent sun"?
We only ever see an Apparant Sun, even on the globe models too due to astromspheric conditions, etc. The major difference on Flat Earth is that we also have the sun shining through the Firmament which allows refraction up to 180 degrees.
The concept revolves around understanding solar zeniths and how they correspond to latitude. You can replicate this process at home today, which validates the Scientific Method.
@@JournalofGeocentricCosmology so does every person have their own reflective dome that moves with them?
Are you suggesting there is a sun circling entire world and also another sun circling one person on Antarctica?
Yes hahahhahha😂😂😂😂
@sarlanga1991, how does that work? Wouldn't that one person in Antarctica see two suns? 😂
No, you are confusing the sun's physical location with it's apparent location
@@ishallneverdie2445, what do you mean? CGI in the video shows two suns: one going around the world and another one going around a person in Antarctica. How does that work?
regarding celestial bodies:
→ there is the physical location (the real location)
→ there is the apparent location (the view of humans' perspective from earth)
Genesis 1:9 And God [AbbaFather] said, “Let the waters under heaven[g] be gathered to one place, and let the dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 And [Abba Father] God called the dry ground “[earth],” and he called the collection of the waters “seas.” And [AbbaFather] God saw that it was good.
The coping is hard. Move in with you life. The grift is over. TFE. RIP flatearth
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Yes but Steve Alonzo used the circumference of the earth to accurately measure flight distances!😂😂
No wonder he won the challenge and wonder why there was so many globers who submitted entries but only Steve Alonzo who used the circumference of the earth anyway!
What a cheat!😂
That's the height of the Firmament
Hahahahahaha. This must be a joke.
Revelation 7:1After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree.
Revelation 15:2
And I saw something like a sea of glass mingled with fire, and those who have the victory over the beast, over his image and over his mark and over the number of his name, standing on the sea of glass, having harps of God.
Revelation 20:7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth-Gog and Magog-and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God’s people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.
Job 9:6 He shakes the earth out of its place, And its pillars tremble; 7 He commands the sun, and it does not rise; He seals off the stars; 8 He alone spreads out the heavens, And [b]treads on the [c]waves of the sea; 9 He made [d]the Bear, Orion, and the Pleiades, And the chambers of the south; 10 He does great things past finding out, Yes, wonders without number.
Job 37:1 “At this also my heart trembles, And leaps from its place. 2 Hear attentively the thunder of His voice, And the rumbling that comes from His mouth. 3 He sends it forth under the whole heaven, His [a]lightning to the ends of the earth. 4 After it a voice roars; He thunders with His majestic voice, And He does not restrain them when His voice is heard. 5 God thunders marvelously with His voice; He does great things which we cannot comprehend. 6 For He says to the snow, ‘Fall on the earth’; Likewise to the [b]gentle rain and the heavy rain of His strength. 7 He seals the hand of every man, That all men may know His work. 8 The beasts go into dens, And remain in their lairs. 9 From the chamber of the south comes the whirlwind, And cold from the scattering winds of the north. 10 By the breath of God ice is given, And the broad waters are frozen. 11 Also with moisture He saturates the thick clouds; He scatters His [c]bright clouds.12 And they swirl about, being turned by His guidance, That they may do whatever He commands them On the face of [d]the whole earth. 13 He causes it to come, Whether for [e]correction, Or for His land, Or for mercy. 14 “Listen to this, O Job; Stand still and consider the wondrous works of God. 15 Do you know when God [f]dispatches them, And causes the light of His cloud to shine? 16 Do you know how the clouds are balanced, Those wondrous works of Him who is perfect in knowledge? 17 Why are your garments hot, When He quiets the earth by the south wind? 18 With Him, have you spread out the skies, Strong as a cast metal mirror?
You can't be serious! This has to be a joke.
What's the little dome as the side of the earth with a light in it?😂😂
Equatorial Grid of Perspective. Every astronomical model uses it.
@JournalofGeocentricCosmology So is the sun reflecting off an apparent dome inside the dome?
If the sun is behind me how do I see a reflection in front of me? What is it reflecting off?
If the 24 hour sun in Antarctica is a reflection of the actual sun then are we saying there is a dome within the dome because the sun has to have something to reflect off for me to see it if I'm facing away from the actual sun.
Please explain.
Is this a parabolic dome reflection? Repeating along the great circle with the west to east ? Very impressive illustration. Perhaps you can draw the LINE showing the path direction from the SUN source of light?
That a few times they’ve already said that they don’t know where the original source light for the sun is it’s outside of the firmament we believe
@@Anontesla The sun is in the firmament, not outside. The sun moon and stars are all in the firmament. There is heaven where the birds fly, 2nd heaven with the sun moon and stars and then above the dome 3rd heaven.
they forgot add neon color near horizont . which itself debung this tosh . poor effort from witsit and daffy
Seem to have missed that second sun coming into frame? Also is this second southern sun only spinning in that one spot or are there multiple southern suns.
Come on guys getting riddiculous and desperate
Nice one.
It is summer in the Antarctic. Means sun is in Capricorn while following the ecliptic in the sky. These two factors should make up the main parameters on the movement of the sun in your animation.
Correct me if am wrong but the sun I. Your animation is way below Tropic of Capricorn.
Sun is not in Capricorn right now. Sun will be moving out of Sagittarius into Capricorn soon. Tropic of Capricorn is not Capricorn.
Not nearly enough explanation by OP. I'm a Flerfer, the graphics are quite obv BS, law of perspective completely ignored.
Is that Walter Bislins' model?
No, the name is stated in video description. The Walter Bislin model was the first 3D model ever created, however it was limited to only the Sun, Moon, and Polaris; lacking significantly to what we created in 2024 with the Firmament Trackers Flat Earth App.
No
And you never heard of Bislins' model till Shane made his video
@@briancash1405 Actually Shane had very little to do with it. It was probably through Sly Sparkane or Wolfie that I was introduced to one of Walter Bislins' calculators.
@@jnoort ok but Shane's model was extensively called out as stolen from Bislin. I apologize for assuming
First of all is the flat earth dome tilted....if not something wrong here. Am I'm the alone freaky person seeing the sun moving in a wave form like this〰️〰️〰️〽️〽️〽️ the moving like up down up down up down on flat earth it's just circles
The dome is not titled. You are thinking of the equatorial grid of perspective. That represents star trails and the celestial poles. It's of arbitrary size and is only to represent angles of elevation and compass direction.
Yes it is really cool to be above to see it in 3D. This is something that's never been done before so it can confusing if you are only used to looking at the 2D birds eye view flat earth models.
Prove it with physics! Not CGI 😝
The visualization layer is separate from the data layer.
Flat-Earth prediction? Really? Point me to where I can hear a flerf who predicting the altitudes of the Sun above the horizon with corresponding times. I’ll wait. LMAO! 🤣
@@jd1677 Walter Bislin’s model in 2017 was the first animated model to predict it. A model made by a globe proponent to try and falsify FE.
The guy who made the video of this post is a flat earther who won all 3 of Will Duffy’s TFE challenges. He’s also the developer of the firmament trackers app that predicts the phenomenon as well.
@@josephhanvey5891 Is this the guy who used globe Earth mathematics in his solutions?
@@josephhanvey5891 And I hope this doesn’t get me banned, but I’d still like to hear the explanation of how an equatorial mount works on a flat Earth, particularly South of the equator. A video would be super awesome for flat-Earth astronomers.
@ I’m planning on doing that one night soon.
However it’s quite simple. They demand the earth be horizontal. There is no other way for them to work properly without a horizontal plane of reference to wrap a grid system around.
@ Awesome. That should be interesting. I don’t have all the gear you do, but have been an on again, off again amateur astronomer for 44 years.
Why do globers sperg out so hard over this?
Because it (re)affirms the terrestrial sphericity and destroys (again) flat earthism at the same time.
Globers don't like it because they went to Antartica to try to disprove Flat Earth but ended up actually proving the Flat Earth model.
@@sarlanga1991 if it destroys flat earth, wouldn't you just move on with your life at that point? Like, why are you here?
So what was the average AIRSPEED of the 4hour flight from Chile to Union Station??
Spinning Globe ----> -53 degrees latitude at Chile, South America ----> 780mph GROUND SPEED (does the air also move 780mph with the GROUND there in Punta Arenas??)
Spinning Globe ----> -80 degrees latitude at Union Station, Antarctica ----> 180mph GROUND SPEED (does the air also move 180mph with the GROUND there at Union Station??)
So the Airport at Union Station is supposed to PHYSICALLY be moving 600mph SLOWER to the West....than the Airport at Punta Arenas only 4hours away.
How does an Airplane taking off with 780mph initial velocity to the West....then fly dead South towards an Airport and snow and mountains moving 600mph SLOWER to the West....and even be able to land??
How do you SLOW DOWN an Airplane taking off with 780mph initial velocity to the West...to a mere 180mph to the West...so it can line up with the Airport runway moving 180mph to the West (600mph SLOWER) than the one it took off from just 4hours earlier????
Please tell everyone how this is possible in the real world. I mean if you really were on a spinning ball in Punta Arenas moving 780mph to the West...on the runway before take off....and 4 hours away dead South was another runway moving 600mph SLOWER.....and you take off get up to say 500mph and keep that speed.......oh dear Lord this has now gone into the realm of Make Believe.
Can anyone from TFE please tell me how to make this work in the real world??
Do you realize Wolf Packs flight would have traveled over North America on its way to Santiago in flerfland?
You sound like someone who has never seen an airplane, let alone ridden in one
“Dr” David. I didn’t get a chance to see the flight on FR24. Do you have the flight number? How long did the flight take? If the distance from Punta Arenas is approximately 1870 miles, then simple division should do quite nicely for an approximation of the average speed. Allowing for ascent and descent would be even better.
@@MotownModels who, the “dr”?
Some people just doesn't have a brain for physics.
Yes, the air has basicly the same speed as the ground, otherwise you would constantly experience wind.
The air plane has always a certain velocity relative to the air.
Yes, it does slows down its westward speed. (by the way, this is an acceleration of 600 mph / 4h = 0.73 inches/sec² ..damn freedom units... or 0.0185 m/s²... or 0.0019 g )
But imagine this:
You have a giant pool (lets say 10 meters (30 feet) in radius), that is rotating at 10 rpm ( so, the rim has a speed of about 10 m/s ).
Would a swimmer, that starts from the center, would have trouble to reach a ladder on the edge of the pool?
Is this Walter Bislin's model?
No, this is the 2024 Firmament Trackers model. You are thinking of the outdated 2017 Walter Bislin model.
@JournalofGeocentricCosmology what's your contention with it that makes it outdated?
You sell a lot of TFE/Duffy merch!
Plasma moon world map vibes if cosmos
This guys attempt is not as good as your attempt Joe.
You mean there is an attempt from someone else having even more flaws in it???
WTf is that superfluous grid
over active imagination I would think
Love it, but music is always too loud:(
Thanks for the feedback. I made the video and Joe is using it with permission from me. I will make sure to lower the audio is the next one. Sometimes the Latin music becomes too enjoyable for me and I forget its louder than should be.
Now consider the rainbow. i.e. arch , bow, halo, circle of earh & more. Pay attention ok my friend: Genesis 9:8 Then God spoke to Noah and to his sons with him, saying: 9 “And as for Me, behold, I establish My covenant with you and with your [a]descendants after you, 10 and with every living creature that is with you: the birds, the cattle, and every beast of the earth with you, of all that go out of the ark, every beast of the earth. 11 Thus I establish My covenant with you: Never again shall all flesh be cut off by the waters of the flood; never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth.”
12 And God said: “This is the sign of the covenant which I make between Me and you, and every living creature that is with you, for perpetual generations: 13 I set My rainbow in the cloud, and it shall be for the sign of the covenant between Me and the earth. 14 It shall be, when I bring a cloud over the earth, that the rainbow shall be seen in the cloud; 15 and I will remember My covenant which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; the waters shall never again become a flood to destroy all flesh. 16 The rainbow shall be in the cloud, and I will look on it to remember the everlasting covenant between God and every living creature of all flesh that is on the earth.” 17 And God said to Noah, “This is the sign of the covenant which I have established between Me and all flesh that is on the earth.”
Isaiah 40:22
It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.
2 Samuel 22:10
He bowed the heavens also, and came down With darkness under His feet.
Psalm 18:9
He bowed the heavens also, and came down With darkness under His feet.
Ezekiel 1:22 The likeness of the [f]firmament above the heads of the [g]living creatures was like the color of an awesome crystal, stretched out over their heads. 23 And under the firmament their wings spread out straight, one toward another. Each one had two which covered one side, and each one had two which covered the other side of the body. 24 When they went, I heard the noise of their wings, like the noise of many waters, like the voice of the Almighty, a tumult like the noise of an army; and when they stood still, they let down their wings. 25 A voice came from above the firmament that was over their heads; whenever they stood, they let down their wings.
26 And above the firmament over their heads was the likeness of a throne, in appearance like a sapphire stone; on the likeness of the throne was a likeness with the appearance of a man high above it. 27 Also from the appearance of His waist and upward I saw, as it were, the color of amber with the appearance of fire all around within it; and from the appearance of His waist and downward I saw, as it were, the appearance of fire with brightness all around. 28 Like the appearance of a rainbow in a cloud on a rainy day, so was the appearance of the brightness all around it. This was the appearance of the likeness of the glory of the Lord.
Revelation 10:1I saw still another mighty angel coming down from heaven, clothed with a cloud. And a rainbow was on his head, his face was like the sun, and his feet like pillars of fire. Revelation 4:3
And He who sat there was like a jasper and a sardius stone in appearance; and there was a rainbow around the throne, in appearance like an emerald.
That was the dumbest shit I have ever seen. Wth was that. 0 logic in that diagram at all
Agree. And it does not show the FIXED 24 hour sun of the globe model. We now have time laps video and testimony of the sun circling a stationary earth. FE confirmed.
You are being manipulated.
If a local sun rotates 24 hours a day over the place in Antarctica where the TFE team is located, three things happen: 1) In Chile and Argentina they never have a Sun at its zenith at noon. Something that is false at this time of the year. 2) It would be nighttime, 24 hours a day in North America, Europe, Asia and Africa and 3) In the rest of the Antarctic "circle" it would be nighttime, although in reality, they are also seeing the SAME Sun, at the SAME time, for 24 hours.
@@JeepinReefer406 And you're daft enough to think that a 93 million miles sun can circle the earth in 24 hours.
@@sarlanga1991 1. Silly assumption without evidence.
2. Silly assumption without evidence
3. Silly assumption without evidence.
The video shows the sun circling and a stationary earth. Testimony states a circling sun. Observation shows a circling sun and a stationary earth.
FE - A stationary earth. Check ✔ And a circling sun Check ✔
Globe - A FIXED 24 hour sun Fail ❌ And a rotating earth Fail ❌
FE confirmed ✔
@@IvanMectinThe silly assumption is precisely yours, because those three phenomena I described to you occur if the earth were stationary while a local Sun revolves around a small geographic point all day, as YOU think.hahahaha. Just grab a FE map and look at it yourself (ignoring that Sun above a plane illuminate the entire surface).
Flat earth confirmed thanks will.