I was in band for 1 year in middle school, I originally played the Trumpet, when about a 1/3 of the way through the school year, someone stole my trumpet and the band teacher had to give me her cornet because they didn’t have any extra trumpets, I remember enjoying the sound a lot more. 20 years old now, full time job but with a lot of free time, decided to get back into playing to fill the time and for fun and wasn’t sure if I would want a cornet or trumpet more. This video has helped me decide, definitely going to get a cornet.
It takes more than simply putting a cornet up to your lips to make a cornet truly sound like a cornet. It's important to understand the difference in playing technique. I hear too many players who make a cornet sound like a trumpet (and vice versa) because they don't understand that.
Thank you, I am a fairly new trumpet player of about 2.5 years and never really knew the difference between a trumpet and a cornet. I knew they sounded different but didn't know why until now and I've never seen a cornet mouthpiece used with an extension tube for a trumpet before. I didn't even know they existed. I'll be keenly going through your videos to learn more. Thank you heaps.
My middle school started everyone on cornet. It being more compact is easier for young players imo. The cornet is also said to be slightly more flexible due to the more conical bore.
Great video thanks! I recently got one of the new PUJE horns, A cornet/trumpet hybrid now made by Brent Peters. Seems to have characteristics of both cornet and TRUMPET, especially with different MOUTHPIECES that can either accentuate the bright and brassy or more mellow side of the instrument. Wondered if you’ve played one before, would love your take on it!
Brent is starting work next week on my Puje Double, Ron. I’m super excited. Which Puje do you have? Would love to hear your impressions now that you’ve had it for a little while.
It helps to close your eyes when listening to the comparisons. I prefer the brighter, more concise sound of the trumpet (ex HS band cornet player here), but I wonder if the way Brian played the trumpet in the last comparison made a noticeable difference in the sound? To my ears, it sounded as if he was more aggressive with his blowing and fingering when starting the notes and ending them on the trumpet. The cornet version seemed to be played in a slightly smoother manner. Could be the difference in mouthpieces, but I don't think it's that.
Up until now, I have never even heard about the cornet. I came across the word in an old wafer recipe... I feel ashamed, and I'm going to assume this is how people feel when they first hear about the viola... If they care.
Good video. The only problem (not your fault), is that you have to hear maybe the whole second variation to really get the difference. I have much better luck making a trumpet sound like a cornet than vice versa.
You have an outstanding fast attack of the note, there is almost no noise first, the note starts immediately with full intensity. Perhaps mouthpiece of trumpet enhance that effect?
The differences between the cornet and the flugelhorn are much the same as between the trumpet and cornet, the flugelhorn taking the same steps a little further with the tubing being even more conical and giving a more mellow sound again than the cornet. You can then go a step further and play the mellophone which is a much rarer instrument.
@@soundsdigital Assuming you're talking about the marching mellophone that we see in DCI, it isn't rare and it's pitched in F. A fourth lower than all three of these.
Nope, You can get all sorts of mouthpieces with different cups sizes, shanks and so on. You can get trumpet mouthpieces with deep cups and cornet mouthpieces with shallow cups
I played the trumpet since I was in 4th grade and I’m thinking about trying something new now that I haven’t been playing for a year since I had to drop band. I was thinking either the corner or I think the Fluegelhorn so I don’t have to relearn any keys and start practicing some jazz lol.
Hello Dr. Brian. Thank you for the video. I have a quick question. I have two sons. They just started to get a private lesson for Trumpet. Their teacher is using a French Horn book to teach them trumpet. I am a little confused with it. Would you give us advice for that?
That sounds like a horrible idea. They should most definitely be using a trumpet book. I would ask the teacher why he/she is using a French horn book and see what they say, but that is indeed very odd.
harryoakley I play cornet since not a long timeand my dad plays both trumpet and cornet, On my opinion the easier to play is trumpet, because I think you have to blow harder on a cornet, I mean not harder but it’s a bit difficult to make it sound like a cornet (idk how to explain). I think it’s also easier to start with trumpet since it’s a lot easier to find a teacher (however most of teachers might know how to play both), and there are more pieces you can learn. You have way more exemples of how a certain piece should sound on a trumpet than if you were to look how it sounds on a cornet. I think you can also start with trumpet better and have a cornet if you enjoy it .
Trumpet Master Classes with Dr. Brian Shook Thank you very much, my doubt was because it is very similar to your cornet that I have that is precisely the Yamaha brand, greetings, thank you.
The cornet is different from a trumpet in how to play. It becomes only the similar sound if it blows in the same how to play. I think that it is impossible to have both perfect how to play at the same time. this man is trumpetter.
I like the cornet more! I played trumpet but I notice that the Trumpet has more of a buzz like buMMmmmmm and the cornet is more of a smooth/projecting. basically like buMMMMMMM
The cornet sounds more like a typical brass instrument because of that conical bore. Trumpet is bright, a solo instrument that cuts through, but cornet sounds more like a brass band instrument. (but check out Bix Beiderbecke, who made the cornet his thing)
Great video Brian. Having measured hundreds of cornets, I can safely say that only around 2% were truly conical bore instruments. All others were cylindrical bore.
The trumpet shank is going to be longer and wider than a cornet shank. Everything from the cup up on a trumpet mouthpiece and cornet mouthpiece are relatively the same--it is the bottom half of the mouthpiece that is different. In other words, if you took just the cup of a trumpet mouthpiece and attached it to a shank of a cornet mouthpiece, it would still work on the cornet. However, to get a true cornet sound, you would want to use a cup that is designed to sound warmer to match the other characteristics of the cornet.
Probably because its cheaper and easier to find. And more people that don't play instruments know what your talking about when you say trumpet. Not a lot of normal people know what a cornet is. Which is sad because the cornet is awesome
With it's brighter sound, a trumpet has become more popular. I have often wondered if the brighter and louder sound came across better with early sound recording equipment. For example, Louis Armstrong originally played cornet and later switched to trumpet. Changes in jazz at the time may have played a part. For example, listen to TH-cam videos of "What a wonderful world" played on each instrument. Maybe because people are more used to hearing Armstrong's low gravely voice, the cornet versions seem "better" to me. A trumpet seems too bright for that song.
Is it just me or do non Salvation Army musicians pronounce cornet weirdly, ie cor net whereas I’ve and everyone I know has pronounced it cor nit, trumpet is pronounced trump it even though it is spelled trump et as opossed to cornet’s pronunciation...
Wouldn't saying it more like the spelling actually make it the less-weird pronunciation? A lot of the time, the pronunciation that's more accurate to the spelling is more historically correct (aside from, say, a loanword from a language with significantly different spelling rules, like the French "foyer" (though since the word is being loaned, I still prefer the pronunciation that chooses to try to match the spelling)).
I always felt like the cornet had a cleaner, milkier tone, while the trumpet had more of a "duck quacking" sound to it. Of course, either one being skillfully played sounds beautiful.
I can't stand this American pronunciation of "cornet" with the stress on the second syllable. It's not a "cornette" -- it's a cornet. Stress on the first syllable as in 98 percent of two-syllable words in English.
It's not the same across the board in the U.S.; I've always heard it with the first syllable stressed. Regardless, both are correct. Likewise, I cant stand "vitamin" being pronounced with the first "I" short instead of long, but I don't go complaining about it. (To elaborate, the first vowel is at the _end_ of the syllable it resides in. This is a little-known rule, but when that happens, the sound should be long, like in "fever". If it is to be short rather than long despite this, then the spelling is changed, the following consonant doubled---like in "butter" (Compare the spellings and pronunciations of the words "tiny" and "tinny" for an idea of what I mean). Most words adhere to this rule, barring some fairly common words like "never" and "lemon" (Compare to "demon"). But that's just the way English is.. And, of course, some words have two dialectal pronunciations in which one follows the rule and the other doesn't: Americans say "vitamin", many Brits say "vittamin" instead; likewise the Brits say "lever", while Americans say "levver". ....But they both say "nevver" rather than "never" (according to spelling, meant to be said as "nee-ver"). We're all fucked.
It is not true that the cup of a cornet mouthpiece and trumpet mouthpiece are necessarily different. Before about 1920 cornet mouthpieces had a deeper cup than trumpet mouthpieces. But since then most mouthpiece manufacturers make many of the same sizes available for cornet and trumpet. For example, I use a 5C cornet mouthpiece on my cornet and a 5C trumpet mouthpiece on my trumpet. I also have a 7C for each instrument. Those numbers and letters are the Bach designations. Some other manufacturers, for example, Denis Wick and Schilke, use different designations. Also, there are a lot more parameters that describe the shape of a mouthpiece than just a number and a letter. For example: www.schmidt-brass.de/englisch/worth-knowing-mouthpieces.htm, www.deniswick.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Denis-Wick-Products-Mouthpiece-Mute-Comparison-Chart.pdf, and www.schilkemusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/2016-MPC-Catalog-LR.pdf
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I was in band for 1 year in middle school, I originally played the Trumpet, when about a 1/3 of the way through the school year, someone stole my trumpet and the band teacher had to give me her cornet because they didn’t have any extra trumpets, I remember enjoying the sound a lot more. 20 years old now, full time job but with a lot of free time, decided to get back into playing to fill the time and for fun and wasn’t sure if I would want a cornet or trumpet more. This video has helped me decide, definitely going to get a cornet.
Aww❤
That’s an awesome and interesting story. 🙂
I’m a low brass player and I personally enjoy the sound of the cornet a lot more than the sound of the trumpet.
Where the fuck is the difference between the sounds
@@replamerdo8504 lf you can't tell you have a problem
@@replamerdo8504 the cornet has a darker sound
I always classified the sound of a cornet as "warmer" than that of a trumpet.
I have and play both but the cornet is my favorite.
It takes more than simply putting a cornet up to your lips to make a cornet truly sound like a cornet. It's important to understand the difference in playing technique. I hear too many players who make a cornet sound like a trumpet (and vice versa) because they don't understand that.
This!^^^ As a low brass player myself, I’ve learned the same thing for trombone and Euphonium.
Thank you, I am a fairly new trumpet player of about 2.5 years and never really knew the difference between a trumpet and a cornet. I knew they sounded different but didn't know why until now and I've never seen a cornet mouthpiece used with an extension tube for a trumpet before. I didn't even know they existed. I'll be keenly going through your videos to learn more. Thank you heaps.
Kinda same
My middle school started everyone on cornet. It being more compact is easier for young players imo. The cornet is also said to be slightly more flexible due to the more conical bore.
We had to watch this in band since we have Cornet players and Trumpet players and they wouldn't stop talking. 😂
That clear mouth piece tho, pretty sick
"You can tell they both produce a concert b-flat."--Can I?
Lol I'm guessing he has perfect pitch
I believe he just meant that you can tell they're both the same base pitch.
This made me laugh more than it should have. Thanks.
Best explanation I've heard on this topic, thank you!
Thank you Doctor.
Excellent video examination.
Thanks a lot for fantastic explaining.
The cornet sounds less aggressive, a mellow sound...
Fine video! Thank you for the comparison.
Wonderful video! Thank you!
Great video thanks! I recently got one of the new PUJE horns, A cornet/trumpet hybrid now made by Brent Peters. Seems to have characteristics of both cornet and TRUMPET, especially with different MOUTHPIECES that can either accentuate the bright and brassy or more mellow side of the instrument. Wondered if you’ve played one before, would love your take on it!
Brent is starting work next week on my Puje Double, Ron. I’m super excited. Which Puje do you have? Would love to hear your impressions now that you’ve had it for a little while.
Great video. Gracias.
GREAT and CLEAR PRESENTATION
Played both in Jr. High and high school. Then the baritone my senior year. Brass section ftw.
It helps to close your eyes when listening to the comparisons. I prefer the brighter, more concise sound of the trumpet (ex HS band cornet player here), but I wonder if the way Brian played the trumpet in the last comparison made a noticeable difference in the sound? To my ears, it sounded as if he was more aggressive with his blowing and fingering when starting the notes and ending them on the trumpet. The cornet version seemed to be played in a slightly smoother manner. Could be the difference in mouthpieces, but I don't think it's that.
thanks you just ended my heated debate !!!
Many thanks! Very useful information! :)
Up until now, I have never even heard about the cornet. I came across the word in an old wafer recipe... I feel ashamed, and I'm going to assume this is how people feel when they first hear about the viola... If they care.
Thank you!
thank you much sir
doc Goodweather playing the trumpet ! nice video.
Thank you very much. Good explanation.
Gracias, buen video para ver las diferencias
This was great! Are you playing Jackie Gleason "young man and his horn"? I know Gleason was a conductor , don't know if that's his original. ☮️ Thx
I have a sensitivity to higher frequencies and more strident tones. So I much prefer the sound of a coronet❤️🎺
I like more the Cornet more : )
Thank you!!
Good video. The only problem (not your fault), is that you have to hear maybe the whole second variation to really get the difference. I have much better luck making a trumpet sound like a cornet than vice versa.
You have an outstanding fast attack of the note, there is almost no noise first, the note starts immediately with full intensity. Perhaps mouthpiece of trumpet enhance that effect?
I'm an old fellow learning the fluglehorn for a local band and it's coming along. Have you a video contrasting the fluglehorn and the cornet?
The differences between the cornet and the flugelhorn are much the same as between the trumpet and cornet, the flugelhorn taking the same steps a little further with the tubing being even more conical and giving a more mellow sound again than the cornet. You can then go a step further and play the mellophone which is a much rarer instrument.
Actually, you just saw it... All three are Bb, Fluglehorn is even more conical and more forgiving.
@@soundsdigital Assuming you're talking about the marching mellophone that we see in DCI, it isn't rare and it's pitched in F. A fourth lower than all three of these.
Nice explanation!
Thank you
Excellent demonstration.
Does using a cornet mouthpiece on a trumpet make the trumpet any more free-blowing or open?
Nope, You can get all sorts of mouthpieces with different cups sizes, shanks and so on. You can get trumpet mouthpieces with deep cups and cornet mouthpieces with shallow cups
what type of mouthpeace do you use dr.
I played the trumpet since I was in 4th grade and I’m thinking about trying something new now that I haven’t been playing for a year since I had to drop band. I was thinking either the corner or I think the Fluegelhorn so I don’t have to relearn any keys and start practicing some jazz lol.
Nice video
Hello Dr. Brian. Thank you for the video. I have a quick question. I have two sons. They just started to get a private lesson for Trumpet. Their teacher is using a French Horn book to teach them trumpet. I am a little confused with it. Would you give us advice for that?
That sounds like a horrible idea. They should most definitely be using a trumpet book. I would ask the teacher why he/she is using a French horn book and see what they say, but that is indeed very odd.
Hey did you ever as the teacher about this, if so, what answer did you get?
Great video, thanks. As a composer I would request playing forte, I believe the difference would have been more pronounced.
The one question that I can't get an answer to is: Which is easier to play - or, in other words, which wears out the embouchure the least?
harryoakley I play cornet since not a long timeand my dad plays both trumpet and cornet, On my opinion the easier to play is trumpet, because I think you have to blow harder on a cornet, I mean not harder but it’s a bit difficult to make it sound like a cornet (idk how to explain). I think it’s also easier to start with trumpet since it’s a lot easier to find a teacher (however most of teachers might know how to play both), and there are more pieces you can learn. You have way more exemples of how a certain piece should sound on a trumpet than if you were to look how it sounds on a cornet. I think you can also start with trumpet better and have a cornet if you enjoy it .
For as far as I know, mouth pieces with deeper cups wear out the embouchure more.
cornets are made into lamps while trumpets are not. that's because trumpets are more useful.
What piece did you use for the demonstration?
DeepDive Arban's Carnival of Venice.
Hi Professor!! 1 question, your cornet is Yamaha?? Thank you very much!!!
It's a Mt. Vernon Bach
Trumpet Master Classes with Dr. Brian Shook Thank you very much, my doubt was because it is very similar to your cornet that I have that is precisely the Yamaha brand, greetings, thank you.
Trumpet Master Classes with Dr. Brian Shook Excellent video, thanks for sharing your knowledge, greetings.
The cornet is different from a trumpet in how to play. It becomes only the similar sound if it blows in the same how to play. I think that it is impossible to have both perfect how to play at the same time.
this man is trumpetter.
Interesting comment. Thank you.
how about Fujiyama trumpet
I like the cornet more! I played trumpet but I notice that the Trumpet has more of a buzz like buMMmmmmm and the cornet is more of a smooth/projecting. basically like buMMMMMMM
The cornet sounds more like a typical brass instrument because of that conical bore. Trumpet is bright, a solo instrument that cuts through, but cornet sounds more like a brass band instrument. (but check out Bix Beiderbecke, who made the cornet his thing)
I can hear the difference, and you really have a nice "tone" on both.
Great video Brian. Having measured hundreds of cornets, I can safely say that only around 2% were truly conical bore instruments. All others were cylindrical bore.
Been trying to play my dads old cornet my mom is annoyed cause she wanted to sleep and my mom took it away
Great video is anyone watching this in 2019?
2020 my dude
In February 2021 right here.
So a trumpet mouth piece size is the same mouth piece as a cornet?
The trumpet shank is going to be longer and wider than a cornet shank. Everything from the cup up on a trumpet mouthpiece and cornet mouthpiece are relatively the same--it is the bottom half of the mouthpiece that is different. In other words, if you took just the cup of a trumpet mouthpiece and attached it to a shank of a cornet mouthpiece, it would still work on the cornet. However, to get a true cornet sound, you would want to use a cup that is designed to sound warmer to match the other characteristics of the cornet.
A trumpets mouth piece is bigger and longer than a corners mouth piece.
Cornet is cooler. Miles played a cornet
Nat Adderley.
Favor narrar em português
What kind of mouthpiece is he using on the trumpet??
A custom mouthpiece made for me by Peter Pickett from Pickett Brass. The top is made of acrylic.
I own play a Conn Victor A with a Coprion Bell, an awesome rarer horn
I plat the cornet
I Play the Trumpet i mean the cornet is cool but i just like the normal trumpet better its just my opinion
I have a Vincent Bach 7C mouth piece.......Cornet or Trumpet...?
But why is the trumpet more popular than the cornet?
Probably because its cheaper and easier to find. And more people that don't play instruments know what your talking about when you say trumpet. Not a lot of normal people know what a cornet is. Which is sad because the cornet is awesome
With it's brighter sound, a trumpet has become more popular. I have often wondered if the brighter and louder sound came across better with early sound recording equipment.
For example, Louis Armstrong originally played cornet and later switched to trumpet. Changes in jazz at the time may have played a part.
For example, listen to TH-cam videos of "What a wonderful world" played on each instrument. Maybe because people are more used to hearing Armstrong's low gravely voice, the cornet versions seem "better" to me. A trumpet seems too bright for that song.
The trumpet can cut through a bigger band more clearly.
#cornet4laif
so the difference between the Trumpet and Cornet is almost like the difference between you and Eminem..:)
joke aside, thanks sir for the demonstration
Is it just me or do non Salvation Army musicians pronounce cornet weirdly, ie cor net whereas I’ve and everyone I know has pronounced it cor nit, trumpet is pronounced trump it even though it is spelled trump et as opossed to cornet’s pronunciation...
Wouldn't saying it more like the spelling actually make it the less-weird pronunciation? A lot of the time, the pronunciation that's more accurate to the spelling is more historically correct (aside from, say, a loanword from a language with significantly different spelling rules, like the French "foyer" (though since the word is being loaned, I still prefer the pronunciation that chooses to try to match the spelling)).
they sound virtually identical
Cornet was smoother
Cornet is cooler and warmer
prefer the trumpet sound
Trumpet wins.
I always felt like the cornet had a cleaner, milkier tone, while the trumpet had more of a "duck quacking" sound to it. Of course, either one being skillfully played sounds beautiful.
I can't stand this American pronunciation of "cornet" with the stress on the second syllable. It's not a "cornette" -- it's a cornet. Stress on the first syllable as in 98 percent of two-syllable words in English.
It's not the same across the board in the U.S.; I've always heard it with the first syllable stressed. Regardless, both are correct. Likewise, I cant stand "vitamin" being pronounced with the first "I" short instead of long, but I don't go complaining about it.
(To elaborate, the first vowel is at the _end_ of the syllable it resides in. This is a little-known rule, but when that happens, the sound should be long, like in "fever". If it is to be short rather than long despite this, then the spelling is changed, the following consonant doubled---like in "butter" (Compare the spellings and pronunciations of the words "tiny" and "tinny" for an idea of what I mean). Most words adhere to this rule, barring some fairly common words like "never" and "lemon" (Compare to "demon"). But that's just the way English is..
And, of course, some words have two dialectal pronunciations in which one follows the rule and the other doesn't: Americans say "vitamin", many Brits say "vittamin" instead; likewise the Brits say "lever", while Americans say "levver".
....But they both say "nevver" rather than "never" (according to spelling, meant to be said as "nee-ver"). We're all fucked.
It is not true that the cup of a cornet mouthpiece and trumpet mouthpiece are necessarily different. Before about 1920 cornet mouthpieces had a deeper cup than trumpet mouthpieces. But since then most mouthpiece manufacturers make many of the same sizes available for cornet and trumpet. For example, I use a 5C cornet mouthpiece on my cornet and a 5C trumpet mouthpiece on my trumpet. I also have a 7C for each instrument. Those numbers and letters are the Bach designations. Some other manufacturers, for example, Denis Wick and Schilke, use different designations. Also, there are a lot more parameters that describe the shape of a mouthpiece than just a number and a letter. For example: www.schmidt-brass.de/englisch/worth-knowing-mouthpieces.htm, www.deniswick.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/Denis-Wick-Products-Mouthpiece-Mute-Comparison-Chart.pdf, and www.schilkemusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/2016-MPC-Catalog-LR.pdf
Thank you!
Thank you!