Listen, the fact that you have only 60 something subscribers is a crime against all things murder drones. Your videos are extremely good man. keep up the amazing work!
@@nicolaridolfi6510 I really appreciate that, I just hope I can one day make you proud to say that. Also yeah it just feels right having Cyn as the final boss as oppose to just the solver using her corpse
A thing to note, CYN only ever started teleporting AFTER she ate Doll's heart. My guess is that her ability is actually the appendages and holograms while the teleportation is one she stole from Doll
@@Gladius049 I do like the idea of Cyn being able to assimilate abilities, but unfortunately we do see her teleport BEFORE consuming Doll’s heart, when she was possessing Uzi in the fight against N and Nori, plus she doesn’t use Doll’s frankly overpowered conjure and duplicate, or maybe she conjured the sword in episode 8. Seriously where did she get that thing? It should still be in the chapel and she did not have it in any of the scenes before the final fight
One thing I noticed is that Cyn refers to herself in the singular in Episode 7-8, while J's Solver refers to itself in the plural in Episode 2. It says the Drones are " _our_ cute puppets," presumably meaning both the Solver itself and Cyn. We also know they're both dealmakers. The Solver itself made its bargain with Cyn when she was in the junkyard, and Cyn made the bargain with V that she would spare her and N as long as she went along with the plan. I think, whatever the Solver is (and I'm not fully convinced that it's just a computer program, considering its habit of eating planets from the inside-out), it needs _permission_ to fully infect someone. Cyn gave it that permission, and that's why she is more powerful and the two are harder to tell apart. The Disassembly Drones have a reduced Solver that regenerates their bodies and allows Cyn and/or the Solver to manipulate their memories, and the Worker Drones that have it wield their Solvers like a tool, though they do have the risk of being overtaken by the system admin, as happened to Nori and Uzi in the cathedral lab. But they resist it, and fight the influence of the Solver, even if they struggle. Uzi is able to fully overcome the possession during Episode 8, even without the Patch. The difference is that Cyn doesn't fight it. She doesn't _want_ to fight it. Cyn not only gives it access in the junkyard, she sees no reason to hold back any further after that. She was thrown out like trash, she's treated awfully by the Elliots, and even Tessa doesn't seem to like her as much as she likes the others. It's not surprising that she aligns herself fully with the one entity that promised _not_ to discard her. As long as she gets to keep the "cute puppets", she's happy. So while they _are_ two separate entities, the lines are blurred because Cyn is fully complicit in the Solver's goals. Because she, well, _let it in._
Yeah, I just recently noticed the “Our” thing too and it’s definitely possible that Cyn willingly gave herself up to the Solver. I honestly like the idea that Uzi rejects the Solver because she has friends to look out for her while Cyn embraces it as her one and only friend
And I don't understand why nobody talks about their Necklace. They showed it multiple times but I never seen someone talking about it. Perhaps it have something about the ability to resist to the Absolute solver
I used to think that Cyn was a separate entity from the solver and was somewhat good, mostly because in episode 1 when N's head got blasted by Uzi she denied the solver access to take over. Idk I kinda like that idea ;; (EDIT: I noticed this one time when watching that at the part where you see N's pov, for a short second you can see that the solver was denied access by "admin: cyn.")
The solver: you know what, I'm bored and these lil robots humanity created are cute... it'd be funny if I gave em magic to see what happens... Cyn: *uses it to destroy earth* Solver: ... I did not expect that to happen
For me that’s also the interpretation of Cyn/The Solver I subscribe to and you explained it very well and comprehensively. To me, Cyn is a willing host of the solver and while the solver might have some influence over her decision making, it was ultimately her choice to do these horrible acts out of resentment for humanity and the betrayal she felt from Tessa, possibly the only human that ever showed her kindness, locking her away (even if Tessa was forced to do it by her mother). I just think it gives this character we see so much more texture than it simply being a heartless eldritch entity. To me, Cyn is a morally and emotionally complex character who is simply done being nice and loves playing the villain.
Honestly, what we saw in the flashback episode even Tessa looked at Cyn differently than she did the other 3 she recovered from the dump. Like she was suspicious of her or felt something was off about her. Yet none of the humans decided to redispose of her and do it properly this time. Everyone made mistakes which lead to the outcome of Cyn hating humanity. Now why she wanted to destroy all other drones when she had to know they didn’t all have solver, plus there were ones on Earth that weren’t part of the Elliot group that she and the MDs killed, I don’t know.
Speaking of which, cyn DOES care for N so imagine how to felt when N shows that he's moved on from the past and basically got a new best friend like her. Infact the memory wipe could've been done to protect N which backfired heavily
I just think it's neat how the AS is somewhat rooted in real life science, with it potentially being capable of converting energy to matter. This could explain how Dissassembly Drones, Uzi, Cyn and Doll can create entire new limbs, objects and tools from seemingly nothing; it isn't necessarily nothing, rather it could just be the manipulation of energy via an in-depth understanding of physics. Let's be honest, with how fast drones/AS can learn thanks to them being advanced AI it wouldn't be hard for them to figure out this stuff. Uzi learned how to fight just by watching pirated anime, gained control over her powers, and even learned how to block Cyn's callback ping just a short time after experiencing all of these (granted Nori did help her by telling her it was a battle of willpower). The only catch is you need an UNGODLY amount of energy to even make a small amount of matter, which is also a possible in-universe reason for why infected drones rapidly overheat from usage of the AS, since using enough energy to the point where they could accelerate particles to near-lightspeed likely isn't a great strategy for temperature control.
Yeah it’s also probably the reason why Cyn needs to consume planets and a genocidal amount of humans, she needs that extra matter as fuel both for her body and creating flesh objects
Yeah they were definitely separated in the beginning, but I wonder if “Tessa” was being completely honest when it “took” Cyn as a host. Could be that they’re working together willingly
Also, side theory: when Cyn is using tessa's body in a spacesuit, then she becomes herself. She's still a villain though because she tries to kill off Uzi but it would explain why Spacesuit Cyn doesn't have the glados solver voice, and why she says "it took cyn as a host... then it took everything"
The theory can also prove that both Cyn and The Solver are evil, however Cyn dislikes The Solver because of their supreme control over Cyn's body. Edit: Cyn also has a tiny bit of control on her body, since in Episode 5 she has a lot of personality whenever she's with N, given the "sheepish nod." and "shuffle, shuffle" (representing anxiety) and in episode 8 when she's about to eat N's heart, you can hear her actually laugh without the solver voice. This non-solver voice also can be heard when she's trying to capture the solver sphere from Uzi, before Cyn's death.
@@Heyworld21 Thanks for the tip. So now the question we must ask ourselves is what is the error it’s trying to overcome? Personally I believe the error is a sudden change of host, like removing a USB without safe remove or mid download
I looked at it again, same code as episode 5 it seems (around 17:20), I can see "Converting from $src_encoding to $dst_encoding, I also see references to php?
I find it interesting that Cyn only EVER acts kindly towards people who are kind to her first. It makes sense since she was literally thrown out and probably treated like garbage before that. She lets the AS do whatever it pleases because it was kind to her and gave her a second chance, she warns Tessa not to go the the Gala and when Tessa doesn’t obey Cyn uses her as a skin suit (presumably as a way to “honour” her in Cyn’s twisted perspective) because Tessa saved her and basically adopted her, and of course her whole relationship with N. We don’t know much about V during the mansion so it’s hard to say if Cyn offering her the deal was for her sake or for N’s (and because N liked her). She treats J kinda terribly but not too bad (probably because Tessa was friends with her) For everyone else, they were hostile to her first. Uzi bit her, the humans around her treated her like garbage and called her an anti-Christ. Cyn seems big on first impressions and if you don’t give her a good one she holds a grudge. I do like to think that a lot of what “Tessa” said was Cyn’s honest thoughts and opinions when she wasn’t lying through her teeth (because we literally see her being a terrible liar) It’s interesting to think of Cyn like a little kid playing with a power they shouldn’t have, which would also explain why Cyn would be so possessive over it. It’s like a kid not wanting to share their toy. My question would then be, is the thing in Uzi’s tail at the end Cyn, the Absolute Solver, or a mix of both?
Considering how it’s super attached to the bow to the point of nostalgia, I’d say at least a bit of both. But yeah Cyn is super attached to certain people but after she became essentially a god, I think she began seeing them more as toys, and by extension, everyone else as toys. Although she definitely has her favorites. Btw Cyn created the murder drones meaning she purposely made N the tallest lol
6:30 Cyn actually does use Uzi’s solver tail.(not really for fighting but for lighting for some reason) if you look closely to when possessed Uzi throws N and Nori towards the building and pins them against the wall, you can see the tail being used as a light.
@@donovanblackcat3537 yeah Someone else brought this to my attention as well. Thanks for your input. All is appreciated in towards bringing us one step closer to the truth
About your question/theory at 15:19. An important detail about the black sphere is in episode 2. When N destroys J's core, we see a black sphere appear and fly away. My theory is that the black sphere isn't the solver program (even if only drones with the solver have it), but the "soul" of the solver drone. That's why solver drones are able to control their cores independently of their body, because their souls are in their core. It's also why their bodies stop moving if you remove their core, because the soul is removed from the body. And when the black sphere (soul) is removed from the core, the black sphere can still move independently, like when J's black sphere flew away after her core was destroyed. When Cyn's core was destroyed, her black sphere (soul) expanded so that she could control her body even though her soul was outside her body. And when Uzi ate Cyn's black sphere (soul), it caused Cyn's consciousness to be inside Uzi.
maybe it's less that it's a soul, but rather a condensed sort of "spore"? black holes can absorb matter, which is basically all it needs to do to recreate the full being, and a "spore" is harder to destroy than a heart. the "spore" might be the condensed information required to rebuild a replica, and the heart is like a last resort before the solver's host is reduced to a "spore". idk
I personally believe it’s a bit a both, a soul and the program, after all, they’re both computers. Although maybe the fact that Cyn can move her body without it implies she’s soulless? Idk, just fun food for thought
One more thing to consider, is the lyrics of BITE ME. At the end of the song, the metal scream part that says "I'm not worth saving", and the non-metal scream part that says "You can't save me too". I'm pretty sure that's Cyn's dialoge in the song, and I'm so normal about it.
See that’s the part that confuses me about whether this song is about Uzi or Cyn, because it sometimes feels like lyrics contradict each other like when it say “We let them Swallow you” then it says “let the swallow you” at the very end, and songs that has 2 different types of vocals usually implies that each vocal represents a different character(s)
@@zhqgljr961 It could be Uzi’s since the song is called “Bite Me” and this is her triumphant moment, but it can also be Cyn’s because it’s her boss music similar to the music in Metal Gear Rising
In my opinion throughout the entire show Cyn has stayed herself. Technically speaking if it was the Solver then wouldn’t it be pretty much killing itself? What im guessing is each character with the Solver simply has the same potential. Its just Cyn has much more experience (e.g Cyn teleports much more rapidly than Doll and uses the null ability more often) Another thing is that theres a chance CallBackPing is a sort of battle for control as we can see how Uzi fights back every so often during ep.8 and even eventually reversing it.
Yeah I found it weird the Solver would want to kill other “Solvers”. But abilities might not be an experience thing because Doll is able to dupe and conjure objects, something Cyn and Uzi can’t or isn’t seen doing
@@KaiserCydra my interpretation was that other solvers represented other instances of emerging ultimate AI programs. I personally found each emerging solver to be its own entity, with the one possessing Cyn to be simply the most dominant due to how long it has been active, and the circumstances that shaped its personality and belief system. I wouldn't find it unexpected that Cyn's solver would want to assimilate these other advanced programs, and also prevent them from gaining dominance. By having the solver influence, I think it both puts a target on your back from Cyn's solver, but also likely makes you more susceptible to infection by 'another' absolute solver program.
Once I saw the connections, I couldn’t help myself. Honestly I don’t remember if that was the key idea that pushed to to make this video, but It might’ve
Assuming this theory is mostly accurate, I think we can confirm that the core Uzi eats is Cyn, because Cyn's personality is in Uzi's tail in the last post credits scene. Perhaps Cyn was able to survive a couple moments without their heart because they are a zombie, but that is just speculation. I have absolutely been making my own headcannon that is much more similar to yours than the general fandoms. Also, there actually IS another name listed as the user from Uzi's perspective for a couple frames: Doll. Doll was consumed by Cyn, and Cyn was consumed by Uzi. Cyn became a part of Uzi when consumed, so Doll became part of Cyn when she was consumed, and became a part of Uzi when she consumed Cyn. Doll probably is still only a part of the part of Uzi that has Cyn, because the closest thing Doll has to affecting the color of Uzi's visor is the gradient between the yellow and purple.
Can you point out the exact time frame Doll’s name appears? I can’t find it, but it’s also possible that Doll became a part of the AS program and Cyn entered Uzi’s body via the blood/oil we saw entering her when she was revived. So while Doll and Cyn may be in Uzi now, the methods that they entered are different
@@KaiserCydra It happens for only 2 frames, and I realize is only legible if you bring the quality of the video up to a BARE MINIMUM of 720p (I recommend bringing it as high as you can for research on this), otherwise it is completely illegible. Its around the 1020 second mark, and is directly followed by the last change to yellow before everything goes black. These are the best directions I can give... sorry!
@@KaiserCydra When I looked back at the scene with all that oil entering Uzi, it definitely looked like it was an Absolute Solver thing instead of a Cyn thing. The other things that are laying around her are her wings, tail, and a bunch of the claws, hands, and tentacles Cyn uses already protruding from Uzi, before everything gets sucked back in. By consuming Cyn's, it seems like Uzi usurped her as anything resembling an "admin", so in practice it is very similar, to it being the Absolute Solver that she ate, but that wouldn't explain why she already had Cyn's appendages sticking out of her despite Cyn not having entered yet.
Ok I found it, well not Doll’s name because I’m a blind idiot, but I did found Doll’s UI, the one with the sickle. Seriously thanks for pointing me out. It makes me so happy that we’re all working together to find an answer 😊
Now I wonder if the Solver was created by humans or if it was always a thing. Since the Solver uses English characters and human coding language I'd assume that it was somehow, either on purpose or accident, created by JCJenson. We really don't know all that much about JCJenson and I feel like that could be a really interesting plot point that could influence a second season. (Liam give me a second season and my life is yours!) >Was the solver always a thing? >Did it just see potential physical interaction access through what JCJenson was doing (Making mechanically malleable sentience in drones)? >What was Cyn's endgame with the solver? Just to eat planets and consume sentient mass? >What is the solvers endgame? Was it influencing Cyn to eat planets with life and why? For food? >Perhaps there are still people alive that work for JCJenson >Maybe the Solver's link to flesh is due to human input >There has been 0 hints to other magics, alien, and eldritch stuff going on so maybe the Solver isn't an eldritch being as we would normally think of one, but rather, a result of human ambition to combine the flesh with the machine. >Nothing about the Solver is *reallly* foreign to humans as far as we know I have become obsessed with this show and its having a mental effect on me for better or for worse. I can most accurately connect the feeling it gives me to be that of grief. Almost as if these characters that I connected too were people I knew and since, as far as I know, they have ceased to "live on" and may never return. I know, its kinda pathetic right? At the same time though, fascinating!
@@menacekop I get it, I have also become obsessed since working on this video. Also now that you mention it, Doll’s p.o.v. solver text is in English, so you might be on to something
Here are kinda my thoughts, because once one of my friends asked me basically what I would do if an entire super skilled team of animators rolled into my inbox and told me to guide them to make a fanmade season 2 of Murder Drones I've kinda been thinking about it ever since. Ultimately, I see the Solver as some sort of sentient otherworldy power that kinda plays with the universe. I don't think it really has goals other than kinda shaking things up. But all the english characters does raise questions. I always thought that it just looked that way to robots because they're coded in english? What I really want to see is human Solver hosts though. idk just some thoughts. You make some good points.
@@menacekop For real. Especially with the potential of like solver hosts throughout history. I mean, it makes sense why they didn't, but I hope some sort of fan thing explores the idea.
ever since i binged Murder Drones about a week ago ive been very interested in it i always felt like the most disturbing ability was Uzi's power to constitute carbon into flesh and vice versa, partly due to it giving her the weird demonic bat form
@@KaiserCydra i do think its a little unusual though that Uzi is the only one who uses it / is able to use it given that the other drones also have meat crabs, and Cyn & V have the weird cyborg arms another thing to note, while Doll can teleport, Cyn seems to just use the projectors to cloak herself and and display fake copies based on how Uzi manages to grab Cyn's core using just Cyn's own momentum and all the flashback scenes also the holograms probably arent actually solid with the meat claws instead being the things simulating them being physical, thats more of just speculation & headcanon on my end tho
Ooh, I like this! :D 10:33 TBF, while SolverCyn's acting with the translucent holograms and her attempts to seem inconspicuous in N's memories were blatantly off, she actually did a very passable job at both impersonating Tessa, and impersonating the forensic guy hologram in Episode 2 at the eight-minute timestamp, so I think SolverCyn is actually a pretty decent actor when she wants to be, and the bad acting with the other holograms was either because she hadn't gotten sufficient practice yet with those disguises or it was purely her trolling her prey. 16:59 Huh. It honestly didn't occur to me until now that that ring of oil around Uzi's body that assimilated into her was Cynessa's melted remains, but it makes perfect sense with SolverCyn's situation in the series' post-credits scene.
Them improv games helped. I would know as I’ve was in an improv club myself. But yeah I admit that connection is a little loose but I noticed that whenever “Tessa” did something in Cyn’s favor her acting skills went up. Either way glad you enjoyed the video!
About all solver hosts having different abilities: When Cyn possesses Uzi, she only uses her own abilities except one moment: if you look in episode 7, after she sends N and Nori flying through the ceiling and goes to them in a wallpaper worthy scene, we see her tail, which is yellow and seems to make light (we already saw Uzi do that in episode 6 too).
@@KaiserCydra It must be that she prefers to use her abilities, or she doesn't have the code for the other abilities (but she might have used Uzi's code to use the tail).
My explanation, just mind ofc, is that since Uzi already had the tail then Cyn posessing Uzi could still use it, but Cyn couldnt grow a new one or anything,
@@endercrafto3 my theory is that they could all potentially use all solver abilities, but much like different people code differently and have different affinities for different actions, certain drones find it naturally easy to use certain abilities while struggling to comprehend others, let alone utilize them. assimilating drones with an affinity and familiarity with those abilities would likely give a host the information needed to use those abilities, while simply overriding a drones control would not.
@@bur_n_t That could be something like that. To add to it, they might actually learn from each other too: we don't see Cyn using her wings before seeing Uzi do so, and we don't see Uzi create nulls until Cyn does. Maybe Uzi learned so quick because she was able to see Doll do so many things in episode 3.
My head cannon i that cyn doest not want other solver users because she does not want to be replaced witch makes her go to an other planet to exterminate them when taking contol of them did not work ... Btw great video i loved it !!
Huh, jealousy that the Solver might replace her with a new toy. That is some Toy Story type stuff and I love it. Wouldn’t be the first time Liam used a yandere in his story
I have a similar theory. The solver is separate but it just wants to consume the universe (kinda like Ic0n from internecion cube). When Cyn granted it access it gave her abilities but also rewrote her to have an insatiable hunger for matter which gets consumed by the black hole present in every corrupted core. Murder drones have that hunger too to a lesser degree which is why they need oil to survive. The black hole slowly consumes their oil so they need to constantly replenish it. Also I think the "server" in is just Uzi's core and the callback ping is just cyn trying to posses her again. I'm also not sure how humans got their hands on the solver but they might have recreated the conditions that led to it manifesting in cyn which would explain the torture chamber and different abilities. Nori Was patched but still got to keep the solver powers and the oil hunger that comes with it. The solver's influence can be resisted like how Uzi did but I think Cyn embraced it. She's effectively in the same state Uzi was in when she had the purple x on her visor and the only reason she has 2 x's is because wearing Tessa's skin covers up the middle of her visor. Lastly I thing the reason cyn's body didn't go limp after getting her core ripped out is because I believe Cyn put her core in Tessa's body and grows a full drone body from the inside when she needs to and Tessa's brain is still in the drone head and it was piloting the coreless body
I agree that Cyn embraced the Solver and perhaps they’re working together because their goals align with one another. Cyn wants her own toys to play with and needs power and materials. The Solver needs to consume materials and can grant Cyn power. I believe that the matter Cyn consumes are pocketed somehow and are how the drones can seemingly regenerate by pulling matter out of nothing
And what about the fact that if Cyn was the Absolute Solver, it could've manipulated its rules to be able to interact with other solver hosts. But Cyn has to follow the same rules that every other solver host!
I think the Absolute Solver is the Devil but it's not controlling anyone, it just gives drones powers and let them do what ever they want with it for the most part. Also I like the idea that not every drone has the same ability like Cyn but they have their own unique abilities.
I would love to give you more grains of salt! In short, you're right!! The best way to understand this show is as a system. We're dealing with literal drones, programming, amnesia, coming-of-age themes, death, rebirth, assimilation, abuse, and so much more! The way you wrapped up your analysis of the way the solver presents in each of its hosts is on point to. Each individual, with its own core personality, abilities, beliefs, reacts differently when they're suddenly able to "see" or have access to the "absolute solver". Suddenly, they think they see it all, for the first time (even if it has not been the first time, actually especially not!) and they use their latent core abilities to exert themselves & try to right the system. As our drones do, they get caught up in their own god complexes and tend to end up hurting the ones they love. I was hoping you'd mention my favorite scene, where N reminds Cyn that her host needs glasses to perform the vivisection/lobotomy/type-thing. That brings me to tears every time. I genuinely forgot about the part of the video where you identify the solver's "true form" and like honestly I don't think I disagree or have beef with that. The beauty of systems is that you can try to visualize them, and I think we could agree that a faceless solver probably would look something like a nihilistic, ravenous void of tentacles. All of that ^ I think I composed from reflecting on your analysis, and I want to now add a little bit of a personal touch! These mechanics are extremely central to the way a non-self-aware system that has suffered some amount of severe or repeated trauma (death) and copes with dissociative amnesia can operate. Identities can resurface, change shape, adopt new forms to cope, etc. Given a chance at second life, aided by a mechanism that cyn never knew she needed, it makes sense that post-death Cyn is both literally cyn and something new, given a new, all-consuming purpose. Almost as if she had a reason (death) to forget what she was supposed to be living for. I mentioned the glasses scene earlier because in a systematic context, Cyn could be understood as a "persecutor", which is pretty straightforward, an identity defined by a sense of needing to discipline, punish, and often abuse other elements of the system. Which is like, an understandable thing for an innocent child that was killed and brought back to life and forced to live as a mad god to do!! imo!! Honestly Murder Drones really gets this point, the humor elements of N drawing his genocide apology art sums it right up. And for my own touch, it is the single most powerful scene at curbing SH impulses that I've ever seen in all the wonderful angsty teen media I've assimilated into my own web of understanding :) Oooh and you also made one thing very clear to me that I had never thought deeply on. Uzi literally is a hacker, that's like her epic thing. She aids others in recovering their own memories to save their system. She makes friends with the other drones, figures herself out, and then eats the dangerous program in the system who's only purpose is to fix everything. I can only assume that when Uzi ate the solver, the system as a whole (including the solver) was quite satisfied that the new administrator was self-assured, in charge, and not in need of Whatever The Fuck That Bullshit Was. Maybe all of this makes a level of sense to you without needing to explicitly reference the whole system like this, but hey, I seem to understand things like this :) ps - this page on alter functions lowkey not a bad way to think about a few of the characters, not just Cyn. did-research.org/did/alters/functions
In my opinion Cyn is the robot body and the absolute solver is the program, the solver needs a body so it asks Cyn if it can access her body as a result it won't discard her, Cyn agreed so the solver now owns cyn's body and controls it, since the solver owns her body it/she is known it/her self as Cyn and Cyn is now the solver, so both different people but own the same body so they both call their selves the same person, that's why the solver calls it self "Cyn" because it controls cyn's body and Cyn calls herself the solver because well, she is technically the solver. . . . . This is just my opinion so if you disagree with me then it's fine
I respect all opinions. And I strongly believe opinions that oppose my theories are very healthy and fun. Helps create all kinds of cool and unique perspectives to each create our own little head cannon
I had a thought about Cyn as a villian a lot, I noticed a good amount of signs that can prove that Cyn is the one who is using absolute solver, not the solver using cyn. That statement is kinda tricky, We don't know if solver fully controlled Cyn, cause we know cyn is malfunctioning robot with voicebox problem, that either could be after solver invasion in her system or something she couldn't really fix,(she might be thrown out also beacuse she had production defects, for example: she was voicing her actions upon doing them) because she might have had voice problems before she was marked for dissasembly(before getting thrown in trash)and that could be reason why she was thrown out ,also in the post credits we see her more "alive" with interests and yet still with glitches in her voice. Also it could be Cyn's plan to destroy everything humans were in touch with, because as we know she saw robots like her were disassembled or killed by Jc Jenson and thats why she wanted to spare Tessa, she had some kind of feelings and justice for everyone, and thats why she wants to destroy other hosts of solver, cause Cyn wants to be the only one capable to use Solver powers and we know Cyn's control of Uzi's body is diffent from Absolute Solver's control, when Uzi is being controlled by Cyn, she gets yellow display and when she is in control by solver, she has her normal display but different behaviour from when she was controlled by Cyn, as we know, different solver hosts have different abilities and when Cyn ate Doll's core she learned gow to teleport, also Cyn is SUCH a great engineer, she built a lot of holograms, also we know that she said she was starving in ep 7, I dont think that viruses expirience hunger, why didn't her body fall after her core was out of the place? It could be because she is only drone, who merged with The Solver and connection was strong enough, so she didn't fall down, also we saw that Uzi can resist and even hack back Cyn.Those were my evidences of Cyn being separate entity from Solver, but even if it was The Absolute Solver's plans, we know absolte solver plan is to expand and overtake everything, so that doesn't need any explanations. I know most of my evidences were already used in the video, but i wrote them a long time ago (like 2 days when last ep was released or so).
Also, Cyn never controlled doll and i think it's because she and her mother had patch in their systems that prevented Cyn from hacking in. Uzi ate machinery like doll did, but still was overtaken by Cyn, that could mean Cyn and solver are kinda separate and Solver controls only her temperature and desires (cause of hunger) And cyn was playing with her enemies, i dont think virus would miss any opportunities
Great minds think alike lol or you can even say “Hive Minds Think Alike”(I hope people get that reference). But yeah I don’t think the Solver can completely fix up Cyn’s defects, for 1 she is the only solver user that was clinically dead when she obtained the solver so she might have some brain damage, plus we know the Solver fixing things ain’t perfect because N was missing memories after his head was blown off. The only retort I can see people making is the statement that the AS is just a virus. Most believe it to be an Eldritch horror, but honestly it could be either or. The other weird thing is that Solver stated it’s “directive” is to rebuild host, yet Cyn never shows any interest in that “directive”.
This is an actual masterpiece. This is the first MD theory I fully agree with, with the exception that I doubt that it would mirror that perfectly with bloodborne. Regardless, it is criminal that you have less subscribers than me. Subbed.
@@KaiserCydra Fair enough. And no need to feel bad. I was more just saying you're severly underrated. Nevertheless, on rewatch I have a few more points. Granted I don't have loads of evidence and mostly they're just kinda questions and stuff that doesn't perfectly line up. Kinda two things I noticed with the red Solver in cabin fever; first, if Cyn wasn't activating Uzi's solver somehow, what was she doing there? You can see her at 4:51, and then a hand a few seconds later. I had always assumed that Cyn activated Uzi since she was emotionally weak and could make an effective puppet, since Cyn does seem to have that sort of God complex. Not trying to like question-guide you to a certain position, more just wondering. Also, a more minor point, the red solver thing is yellow for just a few seconds. It could just be a white overlay on the yellow lantern or something like that, so it might mean nothing. Also, you see a whole bunch of weird symbols in those couple frames as it flashes, which might be interesting? idk. Also, I'm not super sure why, but the Bloodborne parallel bothers me. It could just be denial bias either because I don't want Murder Drones to be anything over than a perfectly original masterpiece, not that the things that you suggest it takes from Bloodborne are to a ripping-off level, but yeah. The other possible reason for denial bias is because I've always kinda been interested in Bloodborne, but have never had a playstation (So I feel you when it comes to the PC version stuff), and thus kinda feel left out. idk. I also kinda feel like the tie between the two cutscenes is weak. Not that you're wrong, and I don't have the full data, just kinda thinking because I'm super excited to talk to someone who mostly agrees with my Murder Drone theories, but special powers in alot of media are gained by aquiring something, also lot's of media have regenerating main characters, plus, I don't think the solver needs to consume oil to do the regeneration thing. So maybe everything rips of Bloodborne idk lol. This next thought is very much backing up, but I'm not really sure what to think with the possession thing. I'm not sure what those wireless control things Uzi has do, because I'm pretty sure we don't get a sliver of exposition on them. But ultimately, I think that possesion is a solver ability, and an exception to the non interaction rule. It's also notable that solver hosts only seem to be able to possess other solver hosts, which does align with the idea of a central server sort of vibe. Another discussion point I think is Cyn's eyes being on coreless. I kinda have a completly different theory. I think Cyn just somehow can control her body remotely, probably some modification she made to herself. I think she just kinda merged Cyn into her body. Also, with the weird oil circle thing, I think that was more of like, a possible future? Like what if Uzi lost the fight for herself? I don't know. The way that oil flies back to Uzi makes it seem like a rewind. Also, I don't think Cyn is like a "main host" or anything like that, though your way of explaining it is way better than most. Still, I don't see any sort of evidence that makes Cyn "more solver" than the other four. Though maybe I'm just projecting what I want. Two other like random points, How did Nori and Yeva get their solvers? If they were duplicated from Cyn, shouldn't they be the same as her? I honestly don't know. Also, something I noticed and probably means nothing, with the exception of N's dumbed-down solver, all hosts are female. Probably just conicidence since they decided that Uzi was a girl and Cyn was a girl, and Doll should also be female because of her dynamics with Lizzy and Uzi, and Nori and Yeva to get this generation mother-daughter thing. Probably means nothing, but figured I'd bring it up anyway. Anyway, that was an unorganized stream of comments. I hope it's not too unreadable. I'm excited for part 2,
I am so sorry about you feeling left out with Bloodborne. You really should play it. There are PS4 emulators out there that you can use on PC. I have friend that might be able to point you in the right direction. As to answer some of your other thoughts Yeah the more I look at it the more I believe Cyn did start the initial wake-up of Uzi’s solver in episode 4, like when she created that flesh thing, but I think the AS might have taken over from there once Uzi became emotionally weak enough Yeah Cyn honestly might have the ability to control her own body from the outside since she already does a bunch of possessing as it is Nori and Yeva’s solver were somehow made/duplicated in Cabin Fever Labs, so may they accidentally created a new strain Thank you so much for your thoughts. I’ll use what I can for part 2 👍
@@KaiserCydra Yeah, I'll figure it out. I want to finish playing through Subnautica first. Anyway, to kinda continue the discussion. I definetely still agree that the red thing isn't Cyn or Uzi, unless Glitch just decided red fit the scene best, which is possible, but I kinda doubt it especially since yellow or purple would still be terrifying. And I think Nori and Yeva's solver's being made into new strains is more likely that they did it on purpose, seeing if distancing it from Cyn would solve (lol) the issue, but maybe since Cyn was already kinda there she was still able to control them until they were patched? Thanks again.
11:43 In episode 5 when N gets a flashback to when him, J, and V were killing humans, there was a giant black tendril that stabbed through a helicopter. Idk if they're the same but they look awfully similar
I think it's worth noting that the solver follows the kind of creature formula Liam Vickers likes to use. Two examples I've noticed, at least, are the Internecion Cube from...Internecion Cube and the Left Hand Parasite from Design. I won't go into spoilers, but looking at vickers early works gives some insight into the nature of the AS as well.
You also missed something at the end, with Uzi now having Cyn's tentacles. You can see them when she's on the ground and the BloodOil enters her, and during her "Now I can do THIS!" moment later. Assuming every solver user has a specific set, then Uzi gaining access to Cyn's moveset is important. Also, it's HEAVILY implied that the Uzi we see during and after the credits is a hologram, and the real Uzi is a centipede-like creature we see in EP5 and 2. Remember: Cyn's holograms are able to be touched. More hard-light projections, really.
Yeah It has people have been telling me that I missed the tentacles. Makes me believe that abilities are linked to the black hole core, at least that’s my current working theory. I am also familiar with Liam’s other work and yup there are DEFINITELY similarities. Liam has stated he might reuse old ideas
If they made a murder drone video game, Cyn would be the final boss, because think of all the people that tried to stop N,V, and Uzi. Doll, that sociopath of a doctor, the dino drones, and etc.
For the unaware, this is the exact dynamic (well, not exact, but very close to it!) that was at play in several of Liam's previous series. (that being that the Parasite has little agency of its own beyond ensuring basic needs are met, and it empowers Hosts to let them achieve those basic needs, but then what they do after the fact is up to them) Design had it, PuppetGAME had it, and Internecion Cube is implied to have had it. This is notable because you can very easily trace the evolution of what is in MDs known as the Absolute Solver from Design to PuppetGAME to Internecion Cube to Murder Drones, and a shocking number of core traits are retained.
@@KaiserCydra The only downside is that it means that while extremely confusing for newcomers, the dynamic regarding the Absolute Solver and Cyn (or other drones, for that matter) was instantly obvious to people who had watched previous works. The number of reoccurring themes, stylistic choices, and even entire character designs/archetypes is pretty insane if you know about it. An entire episode (episode 5) was just a less traumatizing remake of a prior work, for example. Its way too much to easily explain, but if you want, I can.
16:44 it seems to be a mix between python and html code I know a lot (the html code being the bracketss) the global value though means that a variable is accessible from any other point in the program or can be taken from any other point (not going to do a 2 page essay on python)
I went through the code frame by frame. It looks l+ike a sort of text formatter (at some point you see a character encoding standard like ISO-(something)). I can't tell for sure because of all the effects. My theory is that they just took random code.
the way ive seen the absolute solver is that it's restricted by the host drone. Different drones would have different drones would be restricted in different ways, therefore the difference in powers. As Cyn was broken and failing then she had less restrictions for the solver so it could become more powerful. Or none of this is true and the solver just absolved Cyn's personality as a consequence of using them as a host, giving them the personality of Cyn but the solvers motives. But this is all just theory's, lol
My ideas are al theories too lol, nothing is certain by that uncertainty is what makes it so fun. Everything can be canon if you want it to. Interesting idea that Cyn being more damaged means a more unrestricted Solver
I bet the solver enjoys destroying mechanical/robotic items based off ep4 also explains why it continues giving her powers and she is destroying everything
Interesting theory. The Absolute Solver actually being a program that Uzi theorized that gives various Drones their power, with Cyn just being the "Alpha" or Administrator which gives her access to more abilities as well as forcefully taking control of other solver-Drones. That or its because Cyn had a much longer time to learn to control her solver-powers. I think the solver-program is in ALL drones, however it is dormant or at least stable. However this makes disposal of drones much more important. When the drone is being taken offline, I think the Solver program is what handles the deletion process of their OS, if something goes wrong, then it can go haywire. Think of it as cancer or an autoimmune disease, but for robots. Instead of doing it's regular job of simply deleting the OS normally, it ends up going haywire and turns them into "zombie-drones". Something that was supposed to do a specific job but ends up doing the opposite. In this case, instead of deletion and shutdown. Its constant repair. Which can explain why Uzi, Doll, and Cyn are in constant overheating mode and needs to always eat other Drones, even though they're not Murder Drones. Its their internal Solver-program, that has become haywire. Its become cancerous and its constantly "repairing" them, but since there's nothing to actually repair, it just makes them overheat and damage their internals...which leads to the program going to a feedback-loop of damaging the drone while also trying to repair it But because like Uzi said, you can't just regrow parts from thin-air, you have to take matter. This is where the whole Uzi, Doll, and Cyn consuming oil and cannibalization comes into play. Its their solver program trying to repair something when there isn't. Trying to repair their hosts by taking parts from something similar, other Drones. This is most likely why they have their powers in the first-place. Its their solver-program, that has gone haywire, giving them the means to take matter, by force if necessary. Wait but Uzi and Doll were never Zombie-Drones but already have the solver-powers within them... but their moms probably were. The humans were experimenting with the Absolute Solver program. How did they give them the Solver power? Well, what created Cyn in the first place? Being improperly disposed and becoming a zombie-drone. So humans replicated that. The Cabin-Fever labs most likely were improperly disposing drones by the dozens to create zombie-drones. To replicate the same conditions that created Cyn. Which led to Nori and Yeva. They're both Zombie-drones. However, I don't think all Zombie drones will have solver-abilities, at least ones that are as powerful as Cyn, Nori, and Yeva's. Which is why we see a long list of Drones being experimented on in Episode 7 when Cyn-Tessa was destroying all the data. It also probably explains why they're in lockers. Because the humans don't know how the zombie-drones will be like when they do come back to life. Alice is an example. She's feral. She's also most likely a zombie-drone but didn't manifest any Solver-powers. I also think the Crucifix-Patch wasn't meant to block the AS possession, but to block Cyn's possession and to patch the Solver-program in drones with solver-powers (whether they're zombie drones or not). Othewrise, Nori and Yeva wouldn't have their powers if they were patched like that. the patch was there to correct the issue of the solver-program repairing and overheating the drone, stabilizing them while also creating a specialized Firewall against any signals coming from Cyn. Its why after Copper-9 imploded, when Nori and Yeva had their families, they didn't have the same vampiric-hunger like Uzi and Doll and didn't overheat. Could also explain why Nori is still alive and kicking and not melted down as just a heart/core. As for their children. The patch was probably slowly, but surely, activating once Uzi and Doll's powers manifested. But because it was slow acting, it still allowed Cyn to sometimes take over and possess them. This can explain why Cyn didn't just possess Doll in the series like Uzi. Its not because Cyn didn't want to, its because she couldn't but didn't admit it because Cyn seems to have big ego. The anti-Cyn aspects of the patch has already taken affect within her and remember, Doll's powers manifested earlier before Uzi's. Hell, I don't think Doll didn't even need to look for the crucifix-patch. But she didn't know that. I think by the time of Episode 8's final fight, the patch has fully manifested in Uzi which is why she can block Cyn's attempts to possess her. I really hope we get another series. If not a season 2, at least a series set in the same universe. We still don't know what the Absolute Solver actually is. Makes me wonder if Cyn has deluded herself into thinking that she is the Absolute Solver as a result of being a corrupt AI/Zombie-drone.
One complaint: you didn’t look at the glyphs, there are four, two circular two the classic solver shape, the first is dubbed move, and it is literally just telekinesis and has the OG solver symbol as it’s glyph, then there is what I call delete, which is the same but with hexagons in place of arrows, and well, basically just destroys whatever it is used on, both Uzi and doll use it, doll to implode that one poor worker drone girl in her way, Uzi to destroy the lights and cut off that guys head in ep 4, and a few more times, then their is create, problem? It is a weird circle thing with circles inside of it, as well as curved rectangles and other blocky shapes, and it is used by both Uzi AND doll AND Yeva! Uzi uses this to repair a roboroach in ep 4, and doll and yeva use it to manifest things, and then switch it to move to throw the object. Lastly there is rotate, which is a ring of circles with a full circle in the middle, and it does as it is said, it rotates, Uzi uses this to inspect things, IE: rotating them around, and also uses it to rotate her flashlight, again, in ep 4, (man ep 4 is great for giving more detail to solver power, huh?) now, I don’t remember if doll and yeva use this, I know nori does (nori uses a lot of these, but I don’t remember create, but nori uses all the others in ep 7, and probably used create in the asteroid scene of 8, as well as rotating it(the asteroid), same with Uzi) but I would assume they use it in quick succession with create to rotate their creations to aim them. My conclusion? The basic solver powers, move destroy create and rotate, are universal, it is just up the the user to decide how to use them. Null may also fit into this category, and doll and yeva just died before they could use them, but I don’t know. I do believe that, simply because with this in mind, cyn only has a few separate powers from Uzi, so why would doll and yeva not have them? Thanks for reading this wall of text.
I love wall of text, especially one this informative, I have never noticed this now but you’re absolutely right, there are different glyphs, however, there is one you forgot to mention, the non digital glyphs drawn, this may be the original glyph and all glyphs are based on this one. There’s definitely a lot of lore here that I’m gonna have fun looking into ☺️ Seriously you guys never cease to amaze me
if we can agree on the rule "when enought solver shit is going on, gravity stops working" then I could say that the way the solver drones can connect and act as a server with a terminal is that since all solver drones have singularities in their cores, that aren't affected by gravity, and as such just act like "normal objects", they all act as wormholes, sharing data between drones, no electrodes needed, just eldrich wifi
It seems that because of what you said in the third theory, the new admin of the absolute solver server is now uzi, but somehow Cyn entered uzi and for now uzi has Cyn under control, and that might mean that if there is a second season of murder drones, this will be how Cyn comes back, through Uzi, or something like that.
@@SuperKingOmega God, I would love a 2nd Season and having Cyn either be brought back as a villain or even have a redemption arc, because I’m a sucker for that kind of thing lol
This was already an amazing video but when I saw that you were comparing this show to bloodborne I nearly screamed. My second fav game and my fav indie series. I love you 🙏
Glad I was able to get such a strong reaction from you lol. Bloodborne is definitely one my all time favorite games and might be my favorite souls game(between that and Elden Ring)
I watched this once earlier without paying full attention, I missed a lot of the theory due to not paying attention, I only half agreed when I did that because of also not being able to watch it all. Now that I have watched it all in a quiet room paying full attention I agree fully. I have always known that Cyn is not being controlled by the AS because I had proof of my own, but after watching this even though you didn’t include all of my proof I agree with everything you’ve said and you filled the mistakes in my theory. Thank you for making this, now you’re gonna let people know about the truth of Cyn. I have no idea why but it really annoys me when people say that cyn is being controlled by the AS.
Okay, that I can totally agree with. When people just say "Absolute solver" when talking about Cyn, just as fact rather than a theory that has alot of evidence against it, it drives me up the wall.
@@jade_orb Fr, people keep saying to me crap like “The absolute solver is so dumb for teleporting in front of Uzi.” Like dude, 1. It’s not the abs solver. 2. Cyn tried to do that so that she could become immortal, it’s not stupid.
I think they are the same. Cyn is just a human name given by Tessa and ppl call her that bc that is her human name. It is like how Eddie calls his symbiote venom, which is sort of a human name when in reality his name is probably not human.
Actually Cyn is her official serial designation. It’s on her armband. Plus if that was the case, I feel like N, V, and J would have completely different names or Cyn would follow the same naming rules as them
@@KaiserCydra Exactly, the humans name the drones by their designated name and so those drones also call the other drones by the name given by the humans. The AS itself is an entity that took over Cyn entirely as a host, but still retained it appearance to look like Cyn when Cyn is not Cyn but a physical host of the AS.
Thanks for this great video. It gave me a lot of food for thought. I would like to discuss a couple of points. 6:28 In episode 7 Cyn used Uzi's wierd mouth tail thing, so there are no unique abilities for Uzi 11:50 But if this is the absolute solver in the flesh, why didn't it ever try to make a "contract" with Uzi and gain complete control like it did with Cyn at the dump. And why does it allow Cyn to kill its potential hosts. And why have we seen nothing like this with Doll? If the AS can affect solver-users separately from Cyn, this raises questions like the ones I wrote above. I always thought that what happened with Uzi in episode 4 was due to the influence of Cyn (besides the thirst for oil). Firstly, we know that at this time, Cyn was nearby and was watching the main characters. Secondly, Cyn experimented with drones before and given them organic wings (V in episode 5)
I believe why the AS never made a similar contract it did with Cyn(or may it was off screen who knows) is because the AS is actively working with Cyn. Cyn was busy with N in the next scene so maybe once she weakened Uzi’s mental state with that arrow jump scare, the AS was able to do its thing
In my view, the Solver was never something conscious and just a tool that Cyn acquired for evil, and what controls J in episode 2? Simple, a program. Who controls the Uzi in episode 4? Her own mind.
I have considered the Solver being a tool but there is just way too much evidence suggesting it is very much alive and has its own will, at the very least it might be an AI that is not as advanced as worker drones in terms of self awareness, but has more abilities. The biggest clues we have to the Solver being alive is Cyn’s revival scene in episode 5 and the thing I believe to be the True Solver in episode 4
@@KaiserCydra OK, your view is good, but I prefer to believe mine, I just want to make it clear that I'm not denying what you said, just maintaining my original view, so please don't send me dozens of arguments proving you're right.
@@Chris_Productions_Official I’m sorry you feel that way, I never mean to offend, honest, I just wanted to acknowledge your idea. You don’t have to agree with my idea or any others, your opinion is valid and I adore unique perspectives, even if I don’t agree with them. If you like the idea that the Solver is just a tool that can be used for good or evil, then more power to you
I think the abilities are different because of knowledge and experience. It can be seen that in episode 5 that cyn did a lot of experiments in the basement making claws and other parts and therefore would understand how to assemble them in a moment and are design with the absolute solver in mind. Cyn also rarely used any telekinesis other than to catch a rocket, she could have used telekinesis to try to pull of uzi railgun or on the drones she was luring in during episode 2. Uzi's first use of the absolute solver was episode 4 and she was not in control. Doll has been using the solver to help her live and preform chores and stuff shown in episode 3 where she puts up her books and when she is killing drones. It would makes sense Doll uses Telekinesis and duplicating as that is the most useful to her (like duplicating someone's homework as apparently they turn in assignments on papper.).
I definitely see it could be a knowledge/experience thing and Cyn’s abilities are a result of experimentation. I wonder how long Doll had her solver and if she went on a murder rampage on awakening like Uzi did
Nice Watsonian theory. But speaking Doylistically, it also just is more satisfying. Solver being the villain means that we never see anything of Cyn besides the Episode 2 flashback and the corpse pile in Episode 5. Cyn being the villain actually gives us a motive to work off of: a desperate hunger for control and power.
Cool video ! when I finished watching Murder Drones I personally believed Cyn was using the absolute solver of her own will. Cyn, and by extensions the other drones capable of using the solver, all display unique traits and abilities which wouldn't make sense if the solver was the one in control. My headcannon is that Cyn is supposed to depict / display some kind of autistic personality : she seems to enjoy her gruesome actions and her sparing with other solver users (hunting Uzi like prey in ep8 for example). Might also explain why she talks the way she does. Finally, when it comes to the end of ep 8, when Uzi reaps Cyn's core ouut of her body, I believe Cyn's consciousness remains until Uzi eats her core due to her experience with the absolute solver : she seemed to have already been dead and THEN resurected with the help of the solver as seen in the flashbacks in ep5 so, maybe she knows of a way to store her consciousness either within the solver itself (which would be why she ends up in Uzi's tail thingy) or in her own robot body (which Uzi / the solver use to revive Uzi after she eats Cyn's core). In both cases, she does end up within Uzi so it works out. TL:DR Cyn definitey is her own person and is using her solver abilities independently of the solver's will. Also the way you described her as a "child given god-like power" is very amusing, she's a great character frfr
12:08 Doll actually CAN manifest flesh, in ep.3 while Uzi is in Doll's bathroom we can see that all those discarded mirrors in a bathtub are covered in some sort of bloody "roots", similar to those we see Uzi manifest in ep.4
@@niochacz4 hmm, on closer inspection you are right, I wonder, in this where Doll awaken her solver similar to how Uzi did? The cabin Uzi was in when she awakened her solver was in a similar state so maybe Doll was also visited by the true AS
@@KaiserCydra I think that's highly probable that Doll gained full solver potential after encounter with true AS, because Uzi unlocked hers only after meeting AS, while before that she could only use basic solver powers, like picking stuff up or regnerating herself (escept turning that arrow into fleshy monster, but that can also be true AS manifesting itself, as it wasn't Uzi's intetnion, she only wanted to catch it).
I had already come to a similar conclusion prior to watching. Main difference being that I think the absolute solver is a-moral and acts purely off of pre-coded functions. Basically it is the digital version of the instinct of preservation (of self and of others), and will activate when that preservation is at stake i.e a near death experience of the user or a person close to the user and vice-versa.
What are your thoughts on the lyrics of “BITE ME” by AJ Dirspirito? I heard some interesting fan interpretations about the song, showing a glimpse of the relationship between Cyn and the absolute solver.
I’ve been thinking about it, but to be completely honest, I am at a loss when it comes to this song lol. Not sure if the song is about Uzi, Cyn, or the AS, or even all 3
From what I saw most people discussing, it's about Cyn and AS. Cyn wants Uzi to swallow AS, and won't let the AS swallow them. The AS wants to swallow Uzi. (This foreshadows Uzi becoming admin, as the show does love its foreshadowing and easter eggs.) This contradicts this video though, because this idea revolves around Cyn being controlled by AS and wanting to be let go, don't let them know (she's still in there), and to let them carry on without her after she's killed and AS is swallowed. One thing's for certain. No matter how you slice it, something's getting swallowed, growling nightcore style. 🤟
After taking this new headcannon that cyn is in control and is using the absolute solver into Consideration, I think I might have come up with new interpretation of the song, Although I have to admit this interpretation is more metaphorical and has less evidence. This song is about cyn from the past before she was discarded , metaphorically confronting her present self’s actions as cyn/absolute solver, having a back and forth argument and fight. Although i don’t see it as a literal turmoil that’s happening during her fight but more figurative In Ep 8 of murder drones, we don’t actually see if there is any inner conflict between Cyn and the absolute solver as separate entities during the fight against Uzi, N and V.
@@Duke_Erebus This is why the sharing of ideas and headcannons is important and something to be celebrated. It leads to a collage of perspectives that can all be molded from different angles into new concepts. It's why theory videos, even when they aren't always right, are fun to watch. Everyone's telling a story with each other. 😁
I subscribe more to the idea that Cyn is not the one in control, as is heavily implied in the BITE ME song, which is (assumedly by many commenters) a song about Cyn and the AS. Cyn's in the background, but she hasn't been "discarded," just as the AS promised her and also promised to Tessa, "You won't have to discard your pets, and I won't discard you." _Technically,_ the AS was true to its word 'til the very end, and the same _technicality_ applies to Cyn, regardless of how present she actually is. I enjoyed this theory video, but I don't agree with the concept and I think the video game is pretty alien to MD in every aspect; I don't think they're remotely similar or related, because 'connections' can be made up very easily, but literal evidence, direction, and correlation makes logical sense. However, I'm happy everyone gets to enjoy and share their theories! It's a great expression of thought that brings the community together and inspires. It's like I get to rewatch Murder Drones through someone else's impassioned eyes for 20 minutes.
I’m so glad you feel that way and that you’re strong to your ideas while being open to others. I feel the exact same way, so happy that the community is coming together to all share their own ideas and expressing their love for Murder Drones. It’s the gift that keeps on giving
THIS WOULD ALSO EXPLAIN WHY THERES A SPIRE OF CORPSES!!! cyn awoke at the bottom of a pile of corpses. Either that's some trauma dump (literal dump) or she's attempting to recreate the conditions that made her to see how common this is/weed out said competition easier. Or maybe both!
8:07 but Uzi to control use this things on her and controlled by her heads to made the connection + this controller that she use to control (we see this thinks in ep2 on uzi and braiden + ep 5 on N, V and uzi)
Doll has a different absolute solver Because she had some update? New patch that makes her unable to have wings or tentacles + solver cant transform her to solver doll, like Uzi (At least that's what I think)
@@ZjemCiMleczko definitely possible and I do feel like Cabin Fever might have been more focused on patching Cyn’s influence so that they have AS drones that can fight back against Cyn
@@KaiserCydra People were experimenting with drones, some didn't work, some turned into monsters, they changed the Absolute solver in some way, and yeva had the last version=no demonic shadows and more Doll as yeva's daughter has her version
@@KaiserCydraMaybe that's why yeva and doll could create and copy things (yeva created knife and cut nori's hand) Uzi could probably have tentacles like cyn has (At the end she has them)But cyn was much better at using the Absolute solver, uzi when she got wings and a tail she became a monster, and she had no control over herself
I think I generally agree with this theory. it works out and makes some things make sense. I don't entirely agree with some points, but others definitely convinced me.
A series of my specific takes because I want to put them to text somewhere: so the solver is some form of eldritch digital entity that can control the code of reality to some degree (reality is a simulation theory true, no clickbait????), and can only manifest in the presence of electrical (or mechanical?) devices. Cyn made a pact with the solver after it brought her back to life. She ended up using its powers to destroy humanity, and any other drone that may gain access to its powers. Cyn appears to be a zombie drone, a drone that was not properly disposed of, and came back corrupted with "an increased risk of future errors" (see the intro of episode 5). Solver powers seem to be "Genetic" (or actually genetic, since drone cores seem to be partially biological). Uzi gained hers from Nori, Doll from Yeva. Solver powers may be able to be increased in drones by humans *somehow*, seeing as Cyn suggested that the drones the humans were experimenting on at copper 9 (you know, Yeva, Nori, and the other 46+) had the power spread to them "All they did was spread it". Solver powers don't need to be awoken by a drone zombifying, there are other means to awaken them. its unclear (at least to me) if this can happen in all drones, only in the drones that became the witches of copper 9, or what the deal is. Cyn can control other drones. Likely through hacking like Uzi did. This ability may or may not be granted by the solver (as we only see it used by two Solver users), but if it is granted by the solver it bypasses solver rules that prevent powers from affecting other solver units. Cyn may have a means to detect and hack solver drones. while she has been shown to hack other drones (the butler drones who eventually became the disassembly drones), she primarily seems to focus on the other solver drones. Possibly via connecting through the solver itself as you suggested. Some part of Cyn survived and exists inside Uzi. It likely became part of her either through the absorption of Cyn's dissolved remains, or the swallowing of the Solver Singularity (which despite looking very similar, is very different from the null blackholes they were throwing around.). Why this happened and cyn didn't die with the destruction of her core is very unclear, and could be due to her being a solver Admin like you suggested.
A bit more after reading ToaArcan's comment: I didn't really realize that the solver was eating the planets honestly. thought it was just Cyn being destructive. but it makes a bit of sense. The solver seems to have multiple forms. the Singularity that eats the planet and the energy tentacles that come out of that singularity, the tentacles we see in the cabin, and the code inside the drones. I think that Toa's theory regarding the solver being let into Cyn is probably pretty solid. wouldn't be surprised if the Cyn we see is either influenced by its personality, or the other way around.
Cyn tries to preserve N because she genuinely cares for him but the absolute solver doesn't care about N at all so there must be something to differentiate the two
So this is pretty accurate to what I think but a few different details, it starts with how cyns control spread, it seems like after the attack the humans were experimenting with how this happened and put solver in drones, every drone that got solver (not obtained it from their parents) originally got infected with cyn, until patch, now it really seems like cyn is a part of solver, but not the solver itself, I think that cyn fused herself with the solver acting as some kind of Trojan horse virus, that’s why they use patches to remove her control, it’s literally removing the virus. Cyn is not the solver, but is using it to spread, this explains also why she wants to consume planets, since she is now a part of solver she also feels the need to collect matter. I also think I know what callback ping does, I think it’s a command that is telling the solver program to reset to original code, giving her control again, but those with full control over their solver can completely override it. I think that black hole was the solver and when Uzi ate it she also became a part of the solver, that’s why cyn is also in the same body, it’s because the black hole represents some kind of soul solvers have, and by eating the black hole it combines with her original adding to the black hole, this goes back to what I was saying on how cyn combined with the solver and why cyn feels the need to collect matter, it’s because the solver doesn’t have a conciseness, so the cyn we see is cyn but with many of the ideas of the solver, that’s why the Uzi we see at the end of the show has 2 concisenesses at once.
It does seem like the black hole cores are the equivalent of a soul, but you brought up a good point, Cyn does seem to need to consume planets to gain more matter, possibly the source of the AS wielders seemingly infinite regeneration. The solver may have the ability to store consumed matter that it can use to rebuild itself and create wings and the likes
Hi. You did a good thing making comparisons. I think I have something that can further support this theory. In the highlights video on Twitch of Allanah Fitzgerald’s live stream where she watches Mass Destruction, at 41:19, she says “Cyn has now become the Absolute Solver”. To me, this implies that the two entities had practically merged, almost becoming one. This actually explains many things. Cyn is the embodiment of the Solver, to the point she considers herself to be the AI at its core. The Solver ultimately corrupted Cyn. She fuels its innate desire to consume everything while she uses it to possess or kill other hosts.
The reason why it's Absolute Solver only in ep6&7 in the credits is because of the Russian Sub (CC) didn't refer to the voice by name which they used [Син] being Cyn in episode 5 and 8 to the english and a few others [Solver] but not in 6 and there being no Russian subs at all for ep7. To back this up Nori is referred to as Heart/Nori in the episode 7 credits, in the english CC she is always Heart but in alot of others after she reveals she is Nori the subs change the name from Heart to Nori, this is just a sub and credits thing. Solver has always been 1 thing (at least on screen) as all the way back in episode 2 the Solver referred to the drones as puppets, so why would she refer to herself as one. Cyn was gone before we got anything of her unfortunately. The way the Solver speaks lines up with how it spoke at the start of episode 5 and remained consistent throughout the series. FitzyVA was just unaware of this, got confused and was wrong, considering episode 8 went back to Cyn/Absolute Solver. The original drone either faded away before the events of ep5 or never came back online.
@@Kirakishou7 I am so glad you brought up the “puppets” line because I also recently noticed that and have a rebuttal in part 2. Seriously though, I’m really glad I’m creating a discussion, whether it’s in support or against my theory
Hi. I respect that argument. However, considering the number of times Glitch Productions themselves use Cyn’s name, even in the synopsis for Absolute End and in merchandise, I feel at least confident that the real Cyn is present. No offense, but the reason I believe that Allanah’s statement is true is because there is no real reason to assume it is not.
@@hi.923 I believe the reason they use the name Cyn is because it's easier to say. Characters like V and J refer to Cyn as "It". If Glitch, Liam, and the actors call her Cyn then why not have the credits reflect that by just saying Cyn instead of the Absolute Solver or the combination? As it makes no sense as to why it would go back to using both an episode later using Fitzy's logic if she became the solver. The only way it would be Cyn if it used Designs logic for the parasite to develop it's personality through the dead host so in a way it's Cyn, but also not, it's just mimicking it's host at most. As another thing is when N calls her Cyn in the basement and gets corrected by stating it's the Solver of the absolute fabric, the void, the exponential end. I'm interested in the rebuttle to the puppet line though.
What I still don´t get is: What are the solvers goals and what are cyns? Which parts of the narrative drive whomst goals forward? Work they against each other or cooperating? do they work independently from each other? so many questions.
Yeah this becomes even more confusing when you take to account that the AS in episode 2 said they were fixing J as part of “Our directive”. A directive that Cyn has clearly shown no interest in
CYN calls herself "The Solver of The Absolute Fabric, The Void, The Exponential End" in memory. I wonder, if "Absolute fabric" can be an ability descriptor or title (which ties to different abilities). After all, all three versions could have developed independently, and be completely different programs, just sharing some properties. Solver might even not be a singular entity, which also works with "our puppets" Also, I think I know what the code does. It is a code to mask a request. It is used to avoid executing unsafe requests from users. For me, it might be Uzi creating wrapper around CYN/Solver to keep it in bay
Hmm, I never thought of Solver types having different names, makes me wonder what “Fabric” “Void” and “Exponential End” implies. “Void” could be Null, “Exponential End” might be Cyn’s ability to manifest flesh and “Fabric” would be her being able to “fabricate” holograms
I think the absolute solver is a black hole manifested into a digital program and maybe the reason why the solver needs a host is so it won’t collapse into an actual black hole or some singularity and end the universe ,it destroyed earth and several other exoplanets to sustain itself and Cyn’s main color is yellow the common color of a black hole’s accretion disk . I don’t think Cyn’s eyes were originally yellow and most likely white . The yellow could represent the actual absolute solver . The absolute solver’s null ability has a distortion effect around it similarly to a black hole , I personally think that Cyn isn’t in control because why doesn’t nori doll and uzi have robotic voices? Like Cyn either Cyn’s voice is damaged or that the robotic voice is the absolutesolver itself. The absolute solver symbol is a hexagon (that which is a common shape in our natural world/the universe) with three arrow points that could represent three dimensions or the three laws of physics that which a singularity absolutely breaks. Conclusion: the absolutesolver is some Eldridge black hole thingy that makes itself look weaker than it actually is because what’s the fun in a fight if your essentially god-like right?
Actually the Solver insignia's center is a cube. You can see when the solver retracts after use (example EP6 when Doll steals back the keybug.) Liam loves the cube as their was a giant cube shaped building in Design and of course his other series Internecion Cube. And it's also based on Unity/Unreal Engine controls iirc.
Hard to say, maybe not a physical form but I’d say it’s possible at the very least a form that exist on an unseen alternate plain, such is most eldritch beings
It is possible that Cyn is looking for a new body because hers is pretty damage, judging by the way she moves and the fact she’s the only solver user that was actually dead when she gained the solver, it is possible that her AI has some serious damage, the drone equivalent of being clinically dead and having severe brain damage when being woken up
I’m pretty sure we see Cyn with a tail in a part of ep 8 (when she was fighting N and Uzi and flies up so she doesn’t fall I’m pretty sure she had a tail)
@@Shooter99997 I didn’t see anything, but it might have been one of her tentacles. If you find it, let me know the timestamp and I’ll gladly check it out
Escape data means to ad a special lines of code in this case. to stop cyn from Completely taking over Uzi code. Global means world wide but in murder drones. I means every drone in the system that cyn had.entity means all drones with the solver.and most likely replace means it is replace who has control over the drones that Uzi does not have Admin to. The escape data is a 50/50 that I’m right on it😅 hope this helps.
Ok so i have some things to say 1. Cyn vs Absolute Sover To be honest i think no matter what someone says, i would still think Cyn and the AS are the same thing at this point. Something about this is that Cyn's body is the only drone (that we know of) to actually be brought back with the AS. All other AS users just have nerfed versions, or were artificially given the program. This means for nori, yeva, uzi, and doll, they have the ai of the AS fighting with their ai. But for Cyn, she died, and instead of rebooting like a normal zombie drone, her ai mutated and was replaced by the AS ai. And for the "scared" look cyn gives when she reboots in the dump, this could also mean that the AS is just shocked at being able to see for (to our knowledge) first time ever, or something else. And for the naming thing, i just say it's because it's cyn's body. Also from the tape episode 5, we know that the AS is an actual ai. To me it doesn't make sense for the harmful mutations to occur is cyn and then the ai just lets cyn do her own thing. Another thing is that cyn being completely AS explains why cyn can function perfectly fine with head cut off, and with her heart pulled out. Sense cyn's ai completely died, the AS is able to completely inhabit the body. But others (like uzi) need their heart to function. Cyn's body is 100% AS, there for when the whole ai is consumed by uzi, cyns entire body (exept for tessa's bone RIP) melts into nothing. 2. The power differences This is the main thing i have issues with. In my opinion, Cyn not using abilities that the other drones use is very unreliable. Cyn/AS we are definitely able to know is just having fun during episode 8, her not duplicating objects is fhe same reason she just stands there and reacts to attacks a lot of the fight. Doll not having flesh wings or making NULLS is very likely because she is honestly terrified of the AS. She doesn't want to use the tool that could be used to consume the planet.And for flesh wings, she is very private about the AS and covers it up any chance she gets, using literal flesh wing and possible a tail is much more obvious that the AS symbol on her face (also she definitely would just prefer teleporting) Now uzi's mind control ability. I really don't buy this. I do think that if a drone was smart enough (like uzi) they could develop the Bluetooth things to control another drone sense they are all robots. So about the callback ping thing, cyn sending out a callback ping is establishing connection between uzi and cyn. Since we know strong emotion can either let in or force out the AS. With this connection that cyn created, i think it makes sense for uzi to (with a strong enough will) send back that connection and basically digitaly slap cyn across the face. I think that the callback ping basically a way for AS to communicate with one another, this explains why the disassembly drones have nother happen to them, this is becuse their AS program is a nerfed version. Im sure i forgot some things and also some spelling mistakes as i typed this on a phone. Please tell me what you think.
(For some reason all of youtube lags if I add more to my comment) Another thing is the feral uzi thing. We know from episode 5 that the AS's goal is complete annihilation. Uzi going feral and just mindlessly killing people feels like that goal, just without the intelligence. I think sense uzi just fully grown flesh parts and a heart. She is basically overtook by the goal and ambition of the AS, just without the ai of it, she then just needs a emotional enough slap for her to break from that.
I love the ideas and discussions you guys all think of, there’s so much argument for this and that that it becomes increasingly difficult to come up with an answer for everything. But I will talk about the one thing that’s been bugging me. The tape. The tape implies that JC Jetson already knew about the solver, so why didn’t they have a patch ready or why did they seem so clueless at cabin fever labs. Also how did they calculate those odds? .01% chance of reboot with a .7% chance of mutation and it only appears in damage drones which makes up 53% of all discarded drones meaning we get 1 AS user in every 25 million discarded worker drones. Not saying it ain’t possible to collect this data but it would need to be in a controlled environment and there’s too many unknown variables. Plus if there were previous Solver users, how were they dealt with?
200 VIEWS IN 2 DAYS!!!!!?!?!?!?! Well I guess we're doing a part 2 then. Stay tuned for that. Seriously though, thank you so much, you guys are crazy
Listen, the fact that you have only 60 something subscribers is a crime against all things murder drones. Your videos are extremely good man. keep up the amazing work!
Okay I only recognize one of the commands being "replace" in which 1 entity or creature in a video game is deleted and another is placed where it was
@@Rednightmar3 I will gladly take this information. Supports the idea that Uzi tore the AS from Cyn and now it’s trying to “replace” Cyn
@@KaiserCydra ofc I love helping people 😁
@@KaiserCydra WAIT DOLL HAS TO STILL BE ALIVE! HER SCREEN DIDN'T SAY FATAL ERROR 😱
This actually just became my new head canon. It just feels right having Cyn being her own person
Also I subscribed and one day I will be able to say: I was Kaiser Cydra's 21th subscriber
@@nicolaridolfi6510 I really appreciate that, I just hope I can one day make you proud to say that. Also yeah it just feels right having Cyn as the final boss as oppose to just the solver using her corpse
@@nicolaridolfi6510 The more I see old subscriber numbers the more impressed I am.
Same here.
The real Cyn is probably long dead, the Cyn we see is a corrupted version of her.
A thing to note, CYN only ever started teleporting AFTER she ate Doll's heart. My guess is that her ability is actually the appendages and holograms while the teleportation is one she stole from Doll
That actually makes alot of sense.
@@Gladius049 I do like the idea of Cyn being able to assimilate abilities, but unfortunately we do see her teleport BEFORE consuming Doll’s heart, when she was possessing Uzi in the fight against N and Nori, plus she doesn’t use Doll’s frankly overpowered conjure and duplicate, or maybe she conjured the sword in episode 8. Seriously where did she get that thing? It should still be in the chapel and she did not have it in any of the scenes before the final fight
@@KaiserCydra Man, so close to an almost flawless idea lol
@@Gladius049 She also teleports all the way back in episode 5.
@endercrafto3 true. I kindof just assumed that gala massacre CYN was a hologram
I argee, cyn being like a child and using the solver to get what she wants and play with her toys is a cool theory, great video dude
Yeah, I’ve always like the “Child with too much power” trope. Found it to be a terrifying idea
Like the collector then?
One thing I noticed is that Cyn refers to herself in the singular in Episode 7-8, while J's Solver refers to itself in the plural in Episode 2. It says the Drones are " _our_ cute puppets," presumably meaning both the Solver itself and Cyn.
We also know they're both dealmakers. The Solver itself made its bargain with Cyn when she was in the junkyard, and Cyn made the bargain with V that she would spare her and N as long as she went along with the plan.
I think, whatever the Solver is (and I'm not fully convinced that it's just a computer program, considering its habit of eating planets from the inside-out), it needs _permission_ to fully infect someone. Cyn gave it that permission, and that's why she is more powerful and the two are harder to tell apart. The Disassembly Drones have a reduced Solver that regenerates their bodies and allows Cyn and/or the Solver to manipulate their memories, and the Worker Drones that have it wield their Solvers like a tool, though they do have the risk of being overtaken by the system admin, as happened to Nori and Uzi in the cathedral lab. But they resist it, and fight the influence of the Solver, even if they struggle. Uzi is able to fully overcome the possession during Episode 8, even without the Patch.
The difference is that Cyn doesn't fight it. She doesn't _want_ to fight it. Cyn not only gives it access in the junkyard, she sees no reason to hold back any further after that. She was thrown out like trash, she's treated awfully by the Elliots, and even Tessa doesn't seem to like her as much as she likes the others. It's not surprising that she aligns herself fully with the one entity that promised _not_ to discard her. As long as she gets to keep the "cute puppets", she's happy. So while they _are_ two separate entities, the lines are blurred because Cyn is fully complicit in the Solver's goals. Because she, well, _let it in._
Yeah, I just recently noticed the “Our” thing too and it’s definitely possible that Cyn willingly gave herself up to the Solver. I honestly like the idea that Uzi rejects the Solver because she has friends to look out for her while Cyn embraces it as her one and only friend
And I don't understand why nobody talks about their Necklace. They showed it multiple times but I never seen someone talking about it. Perhaps it have something about the ability to resist to the Absolute solver
@@JosuéBolamu nah, that necklace is just something the infected drones had to identify them, like a collar.
@@JosuéBolamu sabes como se venció a Cyn we? Con puro poder del amor
Y literal así de mrda esta esa serie
I used to think that Cyn was a separate entity from the solver and was somewhat good, mostly because in episode 1 when N's head got blasted by Uzi she denied the solver access to take over. Idk I kinda like that idea ;; (EDIT: I noticed this one time when watching that at the part where you see N's pov, for a short second you can see that the solver was denied access by "admin: cyn.")
The solver: you know what, I'm bored and these lil robots humanity created are cute... it'd be funny if I gave em magic to see what happens...
Cyn: *uses it to destroy earth*
Solver: ... I did not expect that to happen
Solver: … But I was expecting not to expect something, so it doesn’t count.
Solver: It was calculated, but man do I suck at math
Cyn: me too The Absolute Solver Of The Fabric! giggle :3
@@InkStain_1973 Solver: Dog gonnit, another psychopath. Maybe next time. Impatient huff.
It'd be funny if the AS was actually a pretty chill ai
For me that’s also the interpretation of Cyn/The Solver I subscribe to and you explained it very well and comprehensively. To me, Cyn is a willing host of the solver and while the solver might have some influence over her decision making, it was ultimately her choice to do these horrible acts out of resentment for humanity and the betrayal she felt from Tessa, possibly the only human that ever showed her kindness, locking her away (even if Tessa was forced to do it by her mother). I just think it gives this character we see so much more texture than it simply being a heartless eldritch entity.
To me, Cyn is a morally and emotionally complex character who is simply done being nice and loves playing the villain.
My friend has the exact same idea. It is totally possible Cyn willingly sold herself to the Solver
Honestly, what we saw in the flashback episode even Tessa looked at Cyn differently than she did the other 3 she recovered from the dump. Like she was suspicious of her or felt something was off about her. Yet none of the humans decided to redispose of her and do it properly this time. Everyone made mistakes which lead to the outcome of Cyn hating humanity. Now why she wanted to destroy all other drones when she had to know they didn’t all have solver, plus there were ones on Earth that weren’t part of the Elliot group that she and the MDs killed, I don’t know.
Speaking of which, cyn DOES care for N so imagine how to felt when N shows that he's moved on from the past and basically got a new best friend like her.
Infact the memory wipe could've been done to protect N which backfired heavily
You absolutely solved the Solver with this video. Excellent work, keep it up!
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I just think it's neat how the AS is somewhat rooted in real life science, with it potentially being capable of converting energy to matter. This could explain how Dissassembly Drones, Uzi, Cyn and Doll can create entire new limbs, objects and tools from seemingly nothing; it isn't necessarily nothing, rather it could just be the manipulation of energy via an in-depth understanding of physics. Let's be honest, with how fast drones/AS can learn thanks to them being advanced AI it wouldn't be hard for them to figure out this stuff. Uzi learned how to fight just by watching pirated anime, gained control over her powers, and even learned how to block Cyn's callback ping just a short time after experiencing all of these (granted Nori did help her by telling her it was a battle of willpower).
The only catch is you need an UNGODLY amount of energy to even make a small amount of matter, which is also a possible in-universe reason for why infected drones rapidly overheat from usage of the AS, since using enough energy to the point where they could accelerate particles to near-lightspeed likely isn't a great strategy for temperature control.
Yeah it’s also probably the reason why Cyn needs to consume planets and a genocidal amount of humans, she needs that extra matter as fuel both for her body and creating flesh objects
I consider solver and can two separate characters due to what "Tessa" says in episode 6: "it took cyn as a host... then it took everything"
Yeah they were definitely separated in the beginning, but I wonder if “Tessa” was being completely honest when it “took” Cyn as a host. Could be that they’re working together willingly
Also, side theory: when Cyn is using tessa's body in a spacesuit, then she becomes herself. She's still a villain though because she tries to kill off Uzi but it would explain why Spacesuit Cyn doesn't have the glados solver voice, and why she says "it took cyn as a host... then it took everything"
The theory can also prove that both Cyn and The Solver are evil, however Cyn dislikes The Solver because of their supreme control over Cyn's body.
Edit: Cyn also has a tiny bit of control on her body, since in Episode 5 she has a lot of personality whenever she's with N, given the "sheepish nod." and "shuffle, shuffle" (representing anxiety) and in episode 8 when she's about to eat N's heart, you can hear her actually laugh without the solver voice. This non-solver voice also can be heard when she's trying to capture the solver sphere from Uzi, before Cyn's death.
@@Ovotun Cyn can imitate voices, and Spacesuit Tessa clearly is Cyn seeing from many suspicious scenes
I am a AI dev, and those lines of code are what looks to me is a program trying to overcome a error
@@Heyworld21 Thanks for the tip. So now the question we must ask ourselves is what is the error it’s trying to overcome? Personally I believe the error is a sudden change of host, like removing a USB without safe remove or mid download
I looked at it again, same code as episode 5 it seems (around 17:20), I can see "Converting from $src_encoding to $dst_encoding, I also see references to php?
@@KaiserCydra I agree, its hard to read, saying that the code is a little blurry but I agree with you
I find it interesting that Cyn only EVER acts kindly towards people who are kind to her first. It makes sense since she was literally thrown out and probably treated like garbage before that. She lets the AS do whatever it pleases because it was kind to her and gave her a second chance, she warns Tessa not to go the the Gala and when Tessa doesn’t obey Cyn uses her as a skin suit (presumably as a way to “honour” her in Cyn’s twisted perspective) because Tessa saved her and basically adopted her, and of course her whole relationship with N.
We don’t know much about V during the mansion so it’s hard to say if Cyn offering her the deal was for her sake or for N’s (and because N liked her). She treats J kinda terribly but not too bad (probably because Tessa was friends with her)
For everyone else, they were hostile to her first. Uzi bit her, the humans around her treated her like garbage and called her an anti-Christ. Cyn seems big on first impressions and if you don’t give her a good one she holds a grudge.
I do like to think that a lot of what “Tessa” said was Cyn’s honest thoughts and opinions when she wasn’t lying through her teeth (because we literally see her being a terrible liar)
It’s interesting to think of Cyn like a little kid playing with a power they shouldn’t have, which would also explain why Cyn would be so possessive over it. It’s like a kid not wanting to share their toy.
My question would then be, is the thing in Uzi’s tail at the end Cyn, the Absolute Solver, or a mix of both?
Considering how it’s super attached to the bow to the point of nostalgia, I’d say at least a bit of both. But yeah Cyn is super attached to certain people but after she became essentially a god, I think she began seeing them more as toys, and by extension, everyone else as toys. Although she definitely has her favorites. Btw Cyn created the murder drones meaning she purposely made N the tallest lol
@@KaiserCydra Lol. That suddenly gives her calling N tall and handsome the air of Cyn admiring her work rather than actually seeing N as a person
6:30 Cyn actually does use Uzi’s solver tail.(not really for fighting but for lighting for some reason) if you look closely to when possessed Uzi throws N and Nori towards the building and pins them against the wall, you can see the tail being used as a light.
@@donovanblackcat3537 yeah Someone else brought this to my attention as well. Thanks for your input. All is appreciated in towards bringing us one step closer to the truth
About your question/theory at 15:19. An important detail about the black sphere is in episode 2. When N destroys J's core, we see a black sphere appear and fly away. My theory is that the black sphere isn't the solver program (even if only drones with the solver have it), but the "soul" of the solver drone. That's why solver drones are able to control their cores independently of their body, because their souls are in their core. It's also why their bodies stop moving if you remove their core, because the soul is removed from the body. And when the black sphere (soul) is removed from the core, the black sphere can still move independently, like when J's black sphere flew away after her core was destroyed. When Cyn's core was destroyed, her black sphere (soul) expanded so that she could control her body even though her soul was outside her body. And when Uzi ate Cyn's black sphere (soul), it caused Cyn's consciousness to be inside Uzi.
maybe it's less that it's a soul, but rather a condensed sort of "spore"? black holes can absorb matter, which is basically all it needs to do to recreate the full being, and a "spore" is harder to destroy than a heart. the "spore" might be the condensed information required to rebuild a replica, and the heart is like a last resort before the solver's host is reduced to a "spore". idk
I personally believe it’s a bit a both, a soul and the program, after all, they’re both computers. Although maybe the fact that Cyn can move her body without it implies she’s soulless? Idk, just fun food for thought
One more thing to consider, is the lyrics of BITE ME. At the end of the song, the metal scream part that says "I'm not worth saving", and the non-metal scream part that says "You can't save me too". I'm pretty sure that's Cyn's dialoge in the song, and I'm so normal about it.
See that’s the part that confuses me about whether this song is about Uzi or Cyn, because it sometimes feels like lyrics contradict each other like when it say “We let them Swallow you” then it says “let the swallow you” at the very end, and songs that has 2 different types of vocals usually implies that each vocal represents a different character(s)
@@KaiserCydra I feel the same about it, I'd like to believe it's about both of them, Cyn coming out at the end of the song
@@zhqgljr961 It could be Uzi’s since the song is called “Bite Me” and this is her triumphant moment, but it can also be Cyn’s because it’s her boss music similar to the music in Metal Gear Rising
In my opinion throughout the entire show Cyn has stayed herself. Technically speaking if it was the Solver then wouldn’t it be pretty much killing itself? What im guessing is each character with the Solver simply has the same potential. Its just Cyn has much more experience (e.g Cyn teleports much more rapidly than Doll and uses the null ability more often) Another thing is that theres a chance CallBackPing is a sort of battle for control as we can see how Uzi fights back every so often during ep.8 and even eventually reversing it.
Yeah I found it weird the Solver would want to kill other “Solvers”. But abilities might not be an experience thing because Doll is able to dupe and conjure objects, something Cyn and Uzi can’t or isn’t seen doing
@@KaiserCydra my interpretation was that other solvers represented other instances of emerging ultimate AI programs. I personally found each emerging solver to be its own entity, with the one possessing Cyn to be simply the most dominant due to how long it has been active, and the circumstances that shaped its personality and belief system. I wouldn't find it unexpected that Cyn's solver would want to assimilate these other advanced programs, and also prevent them from gaining dominance. By having the solver influence, I think it both puts a target on your back from Cyn's solver, but also likely makes you more susceptible to infection by 'another' absolute solver program.
The blood borne comparison was not expected. (Love it)
Once I saw the connections, I couldn’t help myself. Honestly I don’t remember if that was the key idea that pushed to to make this video, but It might’ve
Assuming this theory is mostly accurate, I think we can confirm that the core Uzi eats is Cyn, because Cyn's personality is in Uzi's tail in the last post credits scene. Perhaps Cyn was able to survive a couple moments without their heart because they are a zombie, but that is just speculation. I have absolutely been making my own headcannon that is much more similar to yours than the general fandoms.
Also, there actually IS another name listed as the user from Uzi's perspective for a couple frames: Doll. Doll was consumed by Cyn, and Cyn was consumed by Uzi. Cyn became a part of Uzi when consumed, so Doll became part of Cyn when she was consumed, and became a part of Uzi when she consumed Cyn. Doll probably is still only a part of the part of Uzi that has Cyn, because the closest thing Doll has to affecting the color of Uzi's visor is the gradient between the yellow and purple.
Can you point out the exact time frame Doll’s name appears? I can’t find it, but it’s also possible that Doll became a part of the AS program and Cyn entered Uzi’s body via the blood/oil we saw entering her when she was revived. So while Doll and Cyn may be in Uzi now, the methods that they entered are different
@@KaiserCydra It happens for only 2 frames, and I realize is only legible if you bring the quality of the video up to a BARE MINIMUM of 720p (I recommend bringing it as high as you can for research on this), otherwise it is completely illegible. Its around the 1020 second mark, and is directly followed by the last change to yellow before everything goes black. These are the best directions I can give... sorry!
@@KaiserCydra When I looked back at the scene with all that oil entering Uzi, it definitely looked like it was an Absolute Solver thing instead of a Cyn thing. The other things that are laying around her are her wings, tail, and a bunch of the claws, hands, and tentacles Cyn uses already protruding from Uzi, before everything gets sucked back in. By consuming Cyn's, it seems like Uzi usurped her as anything resembling an "admin", so in practice it is very similar, to it being the Absolute Solver that she ate, but that wouldn't explain why she already had Cyn's appendages sticking out of her despite Cyn not having entered yet.
@@KaiserCydra It should be one of the frames at 17:00 her HUD changes to Doll's from EP3 with RUS DOLL instead of UZI DRN right after the red frames.
Ok I found it, well not Doll’s name because I’m a blind idiot, but I did found Doll’s UI, the one with the sickle. Seriously thanks for pointing me out. It makes me so happy that we’re all working together to find an answer 😊
Now I wonder if the Solver was created by humans or if it was always a thing. Since the Solver uses English characters and human coding language I'd assume that it was somehow, either on purpose or accident, created by JCJenson. We really don't know all that much about JCJenson and I feel like that could be a really interesting plot point that could influence a second season. (Liam give me a second season and my life is yours!)
>Was the solver always a thing?
>Did it just see potential physical interaction access through what JCJenson was doing (Making mechanically malleable sentience in drones)?
>What was Cyn's endgame with the solver? Just to eat planets and consume sentient mass?
>What is the solvers endgame? Was it influencing Cyn to eat planets with life and why? For food?
>Perhaps there are still people alive that work for JCJenson
>Maybe the Solver's link to flesh is due to human input
>There has been 0 hints to other magics, alien, and eldritch stuff going on so maybe the Solver isn't an eldritch being as we would normally think of one, but rather, a result of human ambition to combine the flesh with the machine.
>Nothing about the Solver is *reallly* foreign to humans as far as we know
I have become obsessed with this show and its having a mental effect on me for better or for worse. I can most accurately connect the feeling it gives me to be that of grief. Almost as if these characters that I connected too were people I knew and since, as far as I know, they have ceased to "live on" and may never return. I know, its kinda pathetic right? At the same time though, fascinating!
@@menacekop I get it, I have also become obsessed since working on this video. Also now that you mention it, Doll’s p.o.v. solver text is in English, so you might be on to something
Theory: the solver was created in the cabin fever labs by the humans.
Here are kinda my thoughts, because once one of my friends asked me basically what I would do if an entire super skilled team of animators rolled into my inbox and told me to guide them to make a fanmade season 2 of Murder Drones I've kinda been thinking about it ever since.
Ultimately, I see the Solver as some sort of sentient otherworldy power that kinda plays with the universe. I don't think it really has goals other than kinda shaking things up.
But all the english characters does raise questions. I always thought that it just looked that way to robots because they're coded in english?
What I really want to see is human Solver hosts though.
idk just some thoughts. You make some good points.
@@jade_orb Human Solver hosts would open up soo much answers and questions and I love it! That would actually be soo cool and freaky!
@@menacekop For real. Especially with the potential of like solver hosts throughout history. I mean, it makes sense why they didn't, but I hope some sort of fan thing explores the idea.
ever since i binged Murder Drones about a week ago ive been very interested in it
i always felt like the most disturbing ability was Uzi's power to constitute carbon into flesh and vice versa, partly due to it giving her the weird demonic bat form
@@edenengland1883 yeah, nothing beats her creating that weird flesh thing from an arrow in episode 4
@@KaiserCydra i do think its a little unusual though that Uzi is the only one who uses it / is able to use it given that the other drones also have meat crabs, and Cyn & V have the weird cyborg arms
another thing to note, while Doll can teleport, Cyn seems to just use the projectors to cloak herself and and display fake copies based on how Uzi manages to grab Cyn's core using just Cyn's own momentum and all the flashback scenes
also the holograms probably arent actually solid with the meat claws instead being the things simulating them being physical, thats more of just speculation & headcanon on my end tho
Ooh, I like this! :D
10:33 TBF, while SolverCyn's acting with the translucent holograms and her attempts to seem inconspicuous in N's memories were blatantly off, she actually did a very passable job at both impersonating Tessa, and impersonating the forensic guy hologram in Episode 2 at the eight-minute timestamp, so I think SolverCyn is actually a pretty decent actor when she wants to be, and the bad acting with the other holograms was either because she hadn't gotten sufficient practice yet with those disguises or it was purely her trolling her prey.
16:59 Huh. It honestly didn't occur to me until now that that ring of oil around Uzi's body that assimilated into her was Cynessa's melted remains, but it makes perfect sense with SolverCyn's situation in the series' post-credits scene.
Them improv games helped. I would know as I’ve was in an improv club myself. But yeah I admit that connection is a little loose but I noticed that whenever “Tessa” did something in Cyn’s favor her acting skills went up. Either way glad you enjoyed the video!
also cyn does a good job of impersonating N both in episodes 2 & 8.
About all solver hosts having different abilities:
When Cyn possesses Uzi, she only uses her own abilities except one moment: if you look in episode 7, after she sends N and Nori flying through the ceiling and goes to them in a wallpaper worthy scene, we see her tail, which is yellow and seems to make light (we already saw Uzi do that in episode 6 too).
Damn, I didn’t even notice that, nice catch. I guess Cyn can use the abilities of those she possesses
@@KaiserCydra It must be that she prefers to use her abilities, or she doesn't have the code for the other abilities (but she might have used Uzi's code to use the tail).
My explanation, just mind ofc, is that since Uzi already had the tail then Cyn posessing Uzi could still use it, but Cyn couldnt grow a new one or anything,
@@endercrafto3 my theory is that they could all potentially use all solver abilities, but much like different people code differently and have different affinities for different actions, certain drones find it naturally easy to use certain abilities while struggling to comprehend others, let alone utilize them. assimilating drones with an affinity and familiarity with those abilities would likely give a host the information needed to use those abilities, while simply overriding a drones control would not.
@@bur_n_t That could be something like that. To add to it, they might actually learn from each other too: we don't see Cyn using her wings before seeing Uzi do so, and we don't see Uzi create nulls until Cyn does.
Maybe Uzi learned so quick because she was able to see Doll do so many things in episode 3.
My head cannon i that cyn doest not want other solver users because she does not want to be replaced witch makes her go to an other planet to exterminate them when taking contol of them did not work ...
Btw great video i loved it !!
Huh, jealousy that the Solver might replace her with a new toy. That is some Toy Story type stuff and I love it. Wouldn’t be the first time Liam used a yandere in his story
I have a similar theory. The solver is separate but it just wants to consume the universe (kinda like Ic0n from internecion cube). When Cyn granted it access it gave her abilities but also rewrote her to have an insatiable hunger for matter which gets consumed by the black hole present in every corrupted core. Murder drones have that hunger too to a lesser degree which is why they need oil to survive. The black hole slowly consumes their oil so they need to constantly replenish it. Also I think the "server" in is just Uzi's core and the callback ping is just cyn trying to posses her again. I'm also not sure how humans got their hands on the solver but they might have recreated the conditions that led to it manifesting in cyn which would explain the torture chamber and different abilities. Nori Was patched but still got to keep the solver powers and the oil hunger that comes with it. The solver's influence can be resisted like how Uzi did but I think Cyn embraced it. She's effectively in the same state Uzi was in when she had the purple x on her visor and the only reason she has 2 x's is because wearing Tessa's skin covers up the middle of her visor. Lastly I thing the reason cyn's body didn't go limp after getting her core ripped out is because I believe Cyn put her core in Tessa's body and grows a full drone body from the inside when she needs to and Tessa's brain is still in the drone head and it was piloting the coreless body
I agree that Cyn embraced the Solver and perhaps they’re working together because their goals align with one another. Cyn wants her own toys to play with and needs power and materials. The Solver needs to consume materials and can grant Cyn power. I believe that the matter Cyn consumes are pocketed somehow and are how the drones can seemingly regenerate by pulling matter out of nothing
And what about the fact that if Cyn was the Absolute Solver, it could've manipulated its rules to be able to interact with other solver hosts. But Cyn has to follow the same rules that every other solver host!
Exactly! She has the same restrictions as every other Solver. I feel like the true solver should be much more Omnipotent
I think the Absolute Solver is the Devil but it's not controlling anyone, it just gives drones powers and let them do what ever they want with it for the most part. Also I like the idea that not every drone has the same ability like Cyn but they have their own unique abilities.
@@theepic1944 I love the idea of powers being given and they can be used for good or evil
I would love to give you more grains of salt!
In short, you're right!! The best way to understand this show is as a system. We're dealing with literal drones, programming, amnesia, coming-of-age themes, death, rebirth, assimilation, abuse, and so much more!
The way you wrapped up your analysis of the way the solver presents in each of its hosts is on point to. Each individual, with its own core personality, abilities, beliefs, reacts differently when they're suddenly able to "see" or have access to the "absolute solver". Suddenly, they think they see it all, for the first time (even if it has not been the first time, actually especially not!) and they use their latent core abilities to exert themselves & try to right the system. As our drones do, they get caught up in their own god complexes and tend to end up hurting the ones they love. I was hoping you'd mention my favorite scene, where N reminds Cyn that her host needs glasses to perform the vivisection/lobotomy/type-thing. That brings me to tears every time.
I genuinely forgot about the part of the video where you identify the solver's "true form" and like honestly I don't think I disagree or have beef with that. The beauty of systems is that you can try to visualize them, and I think we could agree that a faceless solver probably would look something like a nihilistic, ravenous void of tentacles.
All of that ^ I think I composed from reflecting on your analysis, and I want to now add a little bit of a personal touch!
These mechanics are extremely central to the way a non-self-aware system that has suffered some amount of severe or repeated trauma (death) and copes with dissociative amnesia can operate. Identities can resurface, change shape, adopt new forms to cope, etc. Given a chance at second life, aided by a mechanism that cyn never knew she needed, it makes sense that post-death Cyn is both literally cyn and something new, given a new, all-consuming purpose. Almost as if she had a reason (death) to forget what she was supposed to be living for. I mentioned the glasses scene earlier because in a systematic context, Cyn could be understood as a "persecutor", which is pretty straightforward, an identity defined by a sense of needing to discipline, punish, and often abuse other elements of the system. Which is like, an understandable thing for an innocent child that was killed and brought back to life and forced to live as a mad god to do!! imo!! Honestly Murder Drones really gets this point, the humor elements of N drawing his genocide apology art sums it right up. And for my own touch, it is the single most powerful scene at curbing SH impulses that I've ever seen in all the wonderful angsty teen media I've assimilated into my own web of understanding :)
Oooh and you also made one thing very clear to me that I had never thought deeply on. Uzi literally is a hacker, that's like her epic thing. She aids others in recovering their own memories to save their system. She makes friends with the other drones, figures herself out, and then eats the dangerous program in the system who's only purpose is to fix everything. I can only assume that when Uzi ate the solver, the system as a whole (including the solver) was quite satisfied that the new administrator was self-assured, in charge, and not in need of Whatever The Fuck That Bullshit Was.
Maybe all of this makes a level of sense to you without needing to explicitly reference the whole system like this, but hey, I seem to understand things like this :)
ps - this page on alter functions lowkey not a bad way to think about a few of the characters, not just Cyn. did-research.org/did/alters/functions
In my opinion Cyn is the robot body and the absolute solver is the program, the solver needs a body so it asks Cyn if it can access her body as a result it won't discard her, Cyn agreed so the solver now owns cyn's body and controls it, since the solver owns her body it/she is known it/her self as Cyn and Cyn is now the solver, so both different people but own the same body so they both call their selves the same person, that's why the solver calls it self "Cyn" because it controls cyn's body and Cyn calls herself the solver because well, she is technically the solver.
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This is just my opinion so if you disagree with me then it's fine
I respect all opinions. And I strongly believe opinions that oppose my theories are very healthy and fun. Helps create all kinds of cool and unique perspectives to each create our own little head cannon
yeah i always been wondering what she was like before crashing out
I had a thought about Cyn as a villian a lot, I noticed a good amount of signs that can prove that Cyn is the one who is using absolute solver, not the solver using cyn.
That statement is kinda tricky, We don't know if solver fully controlled Cyn, cause we know cyn is malfunctioning robot with voicebox problem, that either could be after solver invasion in her system or something she couldn't really fix,(she might be thrown out also beacuse she had production defects, for example: she was voicing her actions upon doing them) because she might have had voice problems before she was marked for dissasembly(before getting thrown in trash)and that could be reason why she was thrown out ,also in the post credits we see her more "alive" with interests and yet still with glitches in her voice. Also it could be Cyn's plan to destroy everything humans were in touch with, because as we know she saw robots like her were disassembled or killed by Jc Jenson and thats why she wanted to spare Tessa, she had some kind of feelings and justice for everyone, and thats why she wants to destroy other hosts of solver, cause Cyn wants to be the only one capable to use Solver powers and we know Cyn's control of Uzi's body is diffent from Absolute Solver's control, when Uzi is being controlled by Cyn, she gets yellow display and when she is in control by solver, she has her normal display but different behaviour from when she was controlled by Cyn, as we know, different solver hosts have different abilities and when Cyn ate Doll's core she learned gow to teleport, also Cyn is SUCH a great engineer, she built a lot of holograms, also we know that she said she was starving in ep 7, I dont think that viruses expirience hunger, why didn't her body fall after her core was out of the place? It could be because she is only drone, who merged with The Solver and connection was strong enough, so she didn't fall down, also we saw that Uzi can resist and even hack back Cyn.Those were my evidences of Cyn being separate entity from Solver, but even if it was The Absolute Solver's plans, we know absolte solver plan is to expand and overtake everything, so that doesn't need any explanations.
I know most of my evidences were already used in the video, but i wrote them a long time ago (like 2 days when last ep was released or so).
Also, Cyn never controlled doll and i think it's because she and her mother had patch in their systems that prevented Cyn from hacking in.
Uzi ate machinery like doll did, but still was overtaken by Cyn, that could mean Cyn and solver are kinda separate and Solver controls only her temperature and desires (cause of hunger)
And cyn was playing with her enemies, i dont think virus would miss any opportunities
But I guess most of them are not really able to be described because of plot holes(I hate them)
Great minds think alike lol or you can even say “Hive Minds Think Alike”(I hope people get that reference). But yeah I don’t think the Solver can completely fix up Cyn’s defects, for 1 she is the only solver user that was clinically dead when she obtained the solver so she might have some brain damage, plus we know the Solver fixing things ain’t perfect because N was missing memories after his head was blown off. The only retort I can see people making is the statement that the AS is just a virus. Most believe it to be an Eldritch horror, but honestly it could be either or. The other weird thing is that Solver stated it’s “directive” is to rebuild host, yet Cyn never shows any interest in that “directive”.
This is an actual masterpiece. This is the first MD theory I fully agree with, with the exception that I doubt that it would mirror that perfectly with bloodborne. Regardless, it is criminal that you have less subscribers than me. Subbed.
@@jade_orb ahh don’t say that, you’ll make me sad. Anyone that puts effort into their videos deserves subscribers. And you clearly put effort. Subbed
@@KaiserCydra Fair enough. And no need to feel bad. I was more just saying you're severly underrated.
Nevertheless, on rewatch I have a few more points. Granted I don't have loads of evidence and mostly they're just kinda questions and stuff that doesn't perfectly line up.
Kinda two things I noticed with the red Solver in cabin fever; first, if Cyn wasn't activating Uzi's solver somehow, what was she doing there? You can see her at 4:51, and then a hand a few seconds later. I had always assumed that Cyn activated Uzi since she was emotionally weak and could make an effective puppet, since Cyn does seem to have that sort of God complex. Not trying to like question-guide you to a certain position, more just wondering.
Also, a more minor point, the red solver thing is yellow for just a few seconds. It could just be a white overlay on the yellow lantern or something like that, so it might mean nothing. Also, you see a whole bunch of weird symbols in those couple frames as it flashes, which might be interesting? idk.
Also, I'm not super sure why, but the Bloodborne parallel bothers me. It could just be denial bias either because I don't want Murder Drones to be anything over than a perfectly original masterpiece, not that the things that you suggest it takes from Bloodborne are to a ripping-off level, but yeah. The other possible reason for denial bias is because I've always kinda been interested in Bloodborne, but have never had a playstation (So I feel you when it comes to the PC version stuff), and thus kinda feel left out. idk.
I also kinda feel like the tie between the two cutscenes is weak. Not that you're wrong, and I don't have the full data, just kinda thinking because I'm super excited to talk to someone who mostly agrees with my Murder Drone theories, but special powers in alot of media are gained by aquiring something, also lot's of media have regenerating main characters, plus, I don't think the solver needs to consume oil to do the regeneration thing.
So maybe everything rips of Bloodborne idk lol.
This next thought is very much backing up, but I'm not really sure what to think with the possession thing. I'm not sure what those wireless control things Uzi has do, because I'm pretty sure we don't get a sliver of exposition on them. But ultimately, I think that possesion is a solver ability, and an exception to the non interaction rule. It's also notable that solver hosts only seem to be able to possess other solver hosts, which does align with the idea of a central server sort of vibe.
Another discussion point I think is Cyn's eyes being on coreless. I kinda have a completly different theory. I think Cyn just somehow can control her body remotely, probably some modification she made to herself. I think she just kinda merged Cyn into her body. Also, with the weird oil circle thing, I think that was more of like, a possible future? Like what if Uzi lost the fight for herself? I don't know. The way that oil flies back to Uzi makes it seem like a rewind.
Also, I don't think Cyn is like a "main host" or anything like that, though your way of explaining it is way better than most. Still, I don't see any sort of evidence that makes Cyn "more solver" than the other four. Though maybe I'm just projecting what I want.
Two other like random points,
How did Nori and Yeva get their solvers? If they were duplicated from Cyn, shouldn't they be the same as her? I honestly don't know.
Also, something I noticed and probably means nothing, with the exception of N's dumbed-down solver, all hosts are female. Probably just conicidence since they decided that Uzi was a girl and Cyn was a girl, and Doll should also be female because of her dynamics with Lizzy and Uzi, and Nori and Yeva to get this generation mother-daughter thing. Probably means nothing, but figured I'd bring it up anyway.
Anyway, that was an unorganized stream of comments. I hope it's not too unreadable. I'm excited for part 2,
I am so sorry about you feeling left out with Bloodborne. You really should play it. There are PS4 emulators out there that you can use on PC. I have friend that might be able to point you in the right direction. As to answer some of your other thoughts
Yeah the more I look at it the more I believe Cyn did start the initial wake-up of Uzi’s solver in episode 4, like when she created that flesh thing, but I think the AS might have taken over from there once Uzi became emotionally weak enough
Yeah Cyn honestly might have the ability to control her own body from the outside since she already does a bunch of possessing as it is
Nori and Yeva’s solver were somehow made/duplicated in Cabin Fever Labs, so may they accidentally created a new strain
Thank you so much for your thoughts. I’ll use what I can for part 2 👍
@@KaiserCydra Yeah, I'll figure it out. I want to finish playing through Subnautica first. Anyway, to kinda continue the discussion.
I definetely still agree that the red thing isn't Cyn or Uzi, unless Glitch just decided red fit the scene best, which is possible, but I kinda doubt it especially since yellow or purple would still be terrifying.
And I think Nori and Yeva's solver's being made into new strains is more likely that they did it on purpose, seeing if distancing it from Cyn would solve (lol) the issue, but maybe since Cyn was already kinda there she was still able to control them until they were patched?
Thanks again.
11:43 In episode 5 when N gets a flashback to when him, J, and V were killing humans, there was a giant black tendril that stabbed through a helicopter. Idk if they're the same but they look awfully similar
Yeah that’s most likely Cyn doing Cyn stuff. You know, being a silly little goober
I think it's worth noting that the solver follows the kind of creature formula Liam Vickers likes to use. Two examples I've noticed, at least, are the Internecion Cube from...Internecion Cube and the Left Hand Parasite from Design.
I won't go into spoilers, but looking at vickers early works gives some insight into the nature of the AS as well.
You also missed something at the end, with Uzi now having Cyn's tentacles. You can see them when she's on the ground and the BloodOil enters her, and during her "Now I can do THIS!" moment later. Assuming every solver user has a specific set, then Uzi gaining access to Cyn's moveset is important.
Also, it's HEAVILY implied that the Uzi we see during and after the credits is a hologram, and the real Uzi is a centipede-like creature we see in EP5 and 2. Remember: Cyn's holograms are able to be touched. More hard-light projections, really.
Yeah It has people have been telling me that I missed the tentacles. Makes me believe that abilities are linked to the black hole core, at least that’s my current working theory. I am also familiar with Liam’s other work and yup there are DEFINITELY similarities. Liam has stated he might reuse old ideas
If they made a murder drone video game, Cyn would be the final boss, because think of all the people that tried to stop N,V, and Uzi. Doll, that sociopath of a doctor, the dino drones, and etc.
For the unaware, this is the exact dynamic (well, not exact, but very close to it!) that was at play in several of Liam's previous series. (that being that the Parasite has little agency of its own beyond ensuring basic needs are met, and it empowers Hosts to let them achieve those basic needs, but then what they do after the fact is up to them)
Design had it, PuppetGAME had it, and Internecion Cube is implied to have had it.
This is notable because you can very easily trace the evolution of what is in MDs known as the Absolute Solver from Design to PuppetGAME to Internecion Cube to Murder Drones, and a shocking number of core traits are retained.
To put it in Liam’s own words “Many of the ideas crafted here will live on in some form or another”
@@KaiserCydra The only downside is that it means that while extremely confusing for newcomers, the dynamic regarding the Absolute Solver and Cyn (or other drones, for that matter) was instantly obvious to people who had watched previous works.
The number of reoccurring themes, stylistic choices, and even entire character designs/archetypes is pretty insane if you know about it. An entire episode (episode 5) was just a less traumatizing remake of a prior work, for example.
Its way too much to easily explain, but if you want, I can.
Why isn’t this channel more popular this is so good
N is a golden retriever
Uzi is a Chihuahua
J is a Chihuahua
V is a Chihuahua
16:44 it seems to be a mix between python and html code I know a lot (the html code being the bracketss) the global value though means that a variable is accessible from any other point in the program or can be taken from any other point (not going to do a 2 page essay on python)
This is fantastic, I understand some of the code, looks like networking code for sure
Good to know, I'll take note of that for the next one
I went through the code frame by frame. It looks l+ike a sort of text formatter (at some point you see a character encoding standard like ISO-(something)). I can't tell for sure because of all the effects. My theory is that they just took random code.
@@endercrafto3 yeah it’s the equivalent of those stock videos you see with someone programming random strings with some added lore text added
the way ive seen the absolute solver is that it's restricted by the host drone. Different drones would have different drones would be restricted in different ways, therefore the difference in powers. As Cyn was broken and failing then she had less restrictions for the solver so it could become more powerful. Or none of this is true and the solver just absolved Cyn's personality as a consequence of using them as a host, giving them the personality of Cyn but the solvers motives. But this is all just theory's, lol
My ideas are al theories too lol, nothing is certain by that uncertainty is what makes it so fun. Everything can be canon if you want it to. Interesting idea that Cyn being more damaged means a more unrestricted Solver
I bet the solver enjoys destroying mechanical/robotic items based off ep4 also explains why it continues giving her powers and she is destroying everything
I think it’s more so assimilating than destroying. It must need raw materials as fuel/resources to power solver abilities and rebuild drones
Interesting theory. The Absolute Solver actually being a program that Uzi theorized that gives various Drones their power, with Cyn just being the "Alpha" or Administrator which gives her access to more abilities as well as forcefully taking control of other solver-Drones. That or its because Cyn had a much longer time to learn to control her solver-powers.
I think the solver-program is in ALL drones, however it is dormant or at least stable. However this makes disposal of drones much more important. When the drone is being taken offline, I think the Solver program is what handles the deletion process of their OS, if something goes wrong, then it can go haywire.
Think of it as cancer or an autoimmune disease, but for robots. Instead of doing it's regular job of simply deleting the OS normally, it ends up going haywire and turns them into "zombie-drones". Something that was supposed to do a specific job but ends up doing the opposite. In this case, instead of deletion and shutdown. Its constant repair. Which can explain why Uzi, Doll, and Cyn are in constant overheating mode and needs to always eat other Drones, even though they're not Murder Drones. Its their internal Solver-program, that has become haywire. Its become cancerous and its constantly "repairing" them, but since there's nothing to actually repair, it just makes them overheat and damage their internals...which leads to the program going to a feedback-loop of damaging the drone while also trying to repair it But because like Uzi said, you can't just regrow parts from thin-air, you have to take matter. This is where the whole Uzi, Doll, and Cyn consuming oil and cannibalization comes into play. Its their solver program trying to repair something when there isn't. Trying to repair their hosts by taking parts from something similar, other Drones. This is most likely why they have their powers in the first-place. Its their solver-program, that has gone haywire, giving them the means to take matter, by force if necessary.
Wait but Uzi and Doll were never Zombie-Drones but already have the solver-powers within them...
but their moms probably were. The humans were experimenting with the Absolute Solver program. How did they give them the Solver power?
Well, what created Cyn in the first place? Being improperly disposed and becoming a zombie-drone. So humans replicated that. The Cabin-Fever labs most likely were improperly disposing drones by the dozens to create zombie-drones. To replicate the same conditions that created Cyn. Which led to Nori and Yeva. They're both Zombie-drones. However, I don't think all Zombie drones will have solver-abilities, at least ones that are as powerful as Cyn, Nori, and Yeva's. Which is why we see a long list of Drones being experimented on in Episode 7 when Cyn-Tessa was destroying all the data. It also probably explains why they're in lockers. Because the humans don't know how the zombie-drones will be like when they do come back to life. Alice is an example. She's feral. She's also most likely a zombie-drone but didn't manifest any Solver-powers.
I also think the Crucifix-Patch wasn't meant to block the AS possession, but to block Cyn's possession and to patch the Solver-program in drones with solver-powers (whether they're zombie drones or not). Othewrise, Nori and Yeva wouldn't have their powers if they were patched like that. the patch was there to correct the issue of the solver-program repairing and overheating the drone, stabilizing them while also creating a specialized Firewall against any signals coming from Cyn. Its why after Copper-9 imploded, when Nori and Yeva had their families, they didn't have the same vampiric-hunger like Uzi and Doll and didn't overheat. Could also explain why Nori is still alive and kicking and not melted down as just a heart/core. As for their children. The patch was probably slowly, but surely, activating once Uzi and Doll's powers manifested. But because it was slow acting, it still allowed Cyn to sometimes take over and possess them. This can explain why Cyn didn't just possess Doll in the series like Uzi. Its not because Cyn didn't want to, its because she couldn't but didn't admit it because Cyn seems to have big ego. The anti-Cyn aspects of the patch has already taken affect within her and remember, Doll's powers manifested earlier before Uzi's. Hell, I don't think Doll didn't even need to look for the crucifix-patch. But she didn't know that.
I think by the time of Episode 8's final fight, the patch has fully manifested in Uzi which is why she can block Cyn's attempts to possess her.
I really hope we get another series. If not a season 2, at least a series set in the same universe. We still don't know what the Absolute Solver actually is. Makes me wonder if Cyn has deluded herself into thinking that she is the Absolute Solver as a result of being a corrupt AI/Zombie-drone.
One complaint: you didn’t look at the glyphs, there are four, two circular two the classic solver shape, the first is dubbed move, and it is literally just telekinesis and has the OG solver symbol as it’s glyph, then there is what I call delete, which is the same but with hexagons in place of arrows, and well, basically just destroys whatever it is used on, both Uzi and doll use it, doll to implode that one poor worker drone girl in her way, Uzi to destroy the lights and cut off that guys head in ep 4, and a few more times, then their is create, problem? It is a weird circle thing with circles inside of it, as well as curved rectangles and other blocky shapes, and it is used by both Uzi AND doll AND Yeva! Uzi uses this to repair a roboroach in ep 4, and doll and yeva use it to manifest things, and then switch it to move to throw the object. Lastly there is rotate, which is a ring of circles with a full circle in the middle, and it does as it is said, it rotates, Uzi uses this to inspect things, IE: rotating them around, and also uses it to rotate her flashlight, again, in ep 4, (man ep 4 is great for giving more detail to solver power, huh?) now, I don’t remember if doll and yeva use this, I know nori does (nori uses a lot of these, but I don’t remember create, but nori uses all the others in ep 7, and probably used create in the asteroid scene of 8, as well as rotating it(the asteroid), same with Uzi) but I would assume they use it in quick succession with create to rotate their creations to aim them. My conclusion? The basic solver powers, move destroy create and rotate, are universal, it is just up the the user to decide how to use them. Null may also fit into this category, and doll and yeva just died before they could use them, but I don’t know. I do believe that, simply because with this in mind, cyn only has a few separate powers from Uzi, so why would doll and yeva not have them?
Thanks for reading this wall of text.
I love wall of text, especially one this informative, I have never noticed this now but you’re absolutely right, there are different glyphs, however, there is one you forgot to mention, the non digital glyphs drawn, this may be the original glyph and all glyphs are based on this one. There’s definitely a lot of lore here that I’m gonna have fun looking into ☺️ Seriously you guys never cease to amaze me
It seems we have a brand new official TH-camr on our hands here. Congrats!🎉
if we can agree on the rule "when enought solver shit is going on, gravity stops working"
then I could say that the way the solver drones can connect and act as a server with a terminal is that since all solver drones have singularities in their cores, that aren't affected by gravity, and as such just act like "normal objects", they all act as wormholes, sharing data between drones, no electrodes needed, just eldrich wifi
It seems that because of what you said in the third theory, the new admin of the absolute solver server is now uzi, but somehow Cyn entered uzi and for now uzi has Cyn under control, and that might mean that if there is a second season of murder drones, this will be how Cyn comes back, through Uzi, or something like that.
@@SuperKingOmega God, I would love a 2nd Season and having Cyn either be brought back as a villain or even have a redemption arc, because I’m a sucker for that kind of thing lol
This was already an amazing video but when I saw that you were comparing this show to bloodborne I nearly screamed. My second fav game and my fav indie series. I love you 🙏
Glad I was able to get such a strong reaction from you lol. Bloodborne is definitely one my all time favorite games and might be my favorite souls game(between that and Elden Ring)
I watched this once earlier without paying full attention, I missed a lot of the theory due to not paying attention, I only half agreed when I did that because of also not being able to watch it all. Now that I have watched it all in a quiet room paying full attention I agree fully. I have always known that Cyn is not being controlled by the AS because I had proof of my own, but after watching this even though you didn’t include all of my proof I agree with everything you’ve said and you filled the mistakes in my theory. Thank you for making this, now you’re gonna let people know about the truth of Cyn. I have no idea why but it really annoys me when people say that cyn is being controlled by the AS.
@@CYNTHEEARTHEATERYUMMY Glad you watched the whole thing. Hopefully part 2 shares more of your ideas
Okay, that I can totally agree with. When people just say "Absolute solver" when talking about Cyn, just as fact rather than a theory that has alot of evidence against it, it drives me up the wall.
@@jade_orb Fr, people keep saying to me crap like “The absolute solver is so dumb for teleporting in front of Uzi.” Like dude, 1. It’s not the abs solver. 2. Cyn tried to do that so that she could become immortal, it’s not stupid.
agreed
I think they are the same. Cyn is just a human name given by Tessa and ppl call her that bc that is her human name. It is like how Eddie calls his symbiote venom, which is sort of a human name when in reality his name is probably not human.
Actually Cyn is her official serial designation. It’s on her armband. Plus if that was the case, I feel like N, V, and J would have completely different names or Cyn would follow the same naming rules as them
@@KaiserCydra Exactly, the humans name the drones by their designated name and so those drones also call the other drones by the name given by the humans. The AS itself is an entity that took over Cyn entirely as a host, but still retained it appearance to look like Cyn when Cyn is not Cyn but a physical host of the AS.
Thanks for this great video. It gave me a lot of food for thought. I would like to discuss a couple of points.
6:28 In episode 7 Cyn used Uzi's wierd mouth tail thing, so there are no unique abilities for Uzi
11:50 But if this is the absolute solver in the flesh, why didn't it ever try to make a "contract" with Uzi and gain complete control like it did with Cyn at the dump. And why does it allow Cyn to kill its potential hosts. And why have we seen nothing like this with Doll?
If the AS can affect solver-users separately from Cyn, this raises questions like the ones I wrote above.
I always thought that what happened with Uzi in episode 4 was due to the influence of Cyn (besides the thirst for oil). Firstly, we know that at this time, Cyn was nearby and was watching the main characters. Secondly, Cyn experimented with drones before and given them organic wings (V in episode 5)
I believe why the AS never made a similar contract it did with Cyn(or may it was off screen who knows) is because the AS is actively working with Cyn. Cyn was busy with N in the next scene so maybe once she weakened Uzi’s mental state with that arrow jump scare, the AS was able to do its thing
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@@EclipseVenexus Glad to have you on board
Holy this video is amazing
Thank you, you guys are amazing
In my view, the Solver was never something conscious and just a tool that Cyn acquired for evil, and what controls J in episode 2? Simple, a program. Who controls the Uzi in episode 4? Her own mind.
I have considered the Solver being a tool but there is just way too much evidence suggesting it is very much alive and has its own will, at the very least it might be an AI that is not as advanced as worker drones in terms of self awareness, but has more abilities. The biggest clues we have to the Solver being alive is Cyn’s revival scene in episode 5 and the thing I believe to be the True Solver in episode 4
@@KaiserCydra OK, your view is good, but I prefer to believe mine, I just want to make it clear that I'm not denying what you said, just maintaining my original view, so please don't send me dozens of arguments proving you're right.
@@Chris_Productions_Official I’m sorry you feel that way, I never mean to offend, honest, I just wanted to acknowledge your idea. You don’t have to agree with my idea or any others, your opinion is valid and I adore unique perspectives, even if I don’t agree with them. If you like the idea that the Solver is just a tool that can be used for good or evil, then more power to you
The Bloodborne connection was crazy, totally see how they parallel one another!
I know right?!?!? I was so surprised to see how similar they are
I think the abilities are different because of knowledge and experience.
It can be seen that in episode 5 that cyn did a lot of experiments in the basement making claws and other parts and therefore would understand how to assemble them in a moment and are design with the absolute solver in mind. Cyn also rarely used any telekinesis other than to catch a rocket, she could have used telekinesis to try to pull of uzi railgun or on the drones she was luring in during episode 2.
Uzi's first use of the absolute solver was episode 4 and she was not in control.
Doll has been using the solver to help her live and preform chores and stuff shown in episode 3 where she puts up her books and when she is killing drones. It would makes sense Doll uses Telekinesis and duplicating as that is the most useful to her (like duplicating someone's homework as apparently they turn in assignments on papper.).
I definitely see it could be a knowledge/experience thing and Cyn’s abilities are a result of experimentation. I wonder how long Doll had her solver and if she went on a murder rampage on awakening like Uzi did
Nice Watsonian theory. But speaking Doylistically, it also just is more satisfying. Solver being the villain means that we never see anything of Cyn besides the Episode 2 flashback and the corpse pile in Episode 5. Cyn being the villain actually gives us a motive to work off of: a desperate hunger for control and power.
Cool video ! when I finished watching Murder Drones I personally believed Cyn was using the absolute solver of her own will.
Cyn, and by extensions the other drones capable of using the solver, all display unique traits and abilities which wouldn't make sense if the solver was the one in control.
My headcannon is that Cyn is supposed to depict / display some kind of autistic personality : she seems to enjoy her gruesome actions and her sparing with other solver users (hunting Uzi like prey in ep8 for example). Might also explain why she talks the way she does.
Finally, when it comes to the end of ep 8, when Uzi reaps Cyn's core ouut of her body, I believe Cyn's consciousness remains until Uzi eats her core due to her experience with the absolute solver : she seemed to have already been dead and THEN resurected with the help of the solver as seen in the flashbacks in ep5 so, maybe she knows of a way to store her consciousness either within the solver itself (which would be why she ends up in Uzi's tail thingy) or in her own robot body (which Uzi / the solver use to revive Uzi after she eats Cyn's core). In both cases, she does end up within Uzi so it works out.
TL:DR Cyn definitey is her own person and is using her solver abilities independently of the solver's will.
Also the way you described her as a "child given god-like power" is very amusing, she's a great character frfr
so glad I came across this channel :)
So glad you and so many people are on board for the ride
You deserve more subscribers!
@@Serial_Designaton_O Thanks, I’ll try to get more subscribers. Seriously though I appreciate all your support. It motivates me to do better
Very much enjoyed this, very nice. Would watch part 2 if there is.. idk!
Oh I assure you, there will be a part 2! Not sure when I'll have it done but I will be working on it
12:08 Doll actually CAN manifest flesh, in ep.3 while Uzi is in Doll's bathroom we can see that all those discarded mirrors in a bathtub are covered in some sort of bloody "roots", similar to those we see Uzi manifest in ep.4
@@niochacz4 hmm, on closer inspection you are right, I wonder, in this where Doll awaken her solver similar to how Uzi did? The cabin Uzi was in when she awakened her solver was in a similar state so maybe Doll was also visited by the true AS
@@niochacz4 actually wait, you’re on to something, I just rechecked that cabin scene and it has those exact same red roots.
@@KaiserCydra I think that's highly probable that Doll gained full solver potential after encounter with true AS, because Uzi unlocked hers only after meeting AS, while before that she could only use basic solver powers, like picking stuff up or regnerating herself (escept turning that arrow into fleshy monster, but that can also be true AS manifesting itself, as it wasn't Uzi's intetnion, she only wanted to catch it).
I had already come to a similar conclusion prior to watching. Main difference being that I think the absolute solver is a-moral and acts purely off of pre-coded functions. Basically it is the digital version of the instinct of preservation (of self and of others), and will activate when that preservation is at stake i.e a near death experience of the user or a person close to the user and vice-versa.
I actually love these theories, omg, imma use this
Time to give my solver OCs some weird unique abilities
@@NibblingClovers Makes me so happy to inspire others 🥹
@@KaiserCydra Glad I made you happy :D
What are your thoughts on the lyrics of “BITE ME” by AJ Dirspirito?
I heard some interesting fan interpretations about the song, showing a glimpse of the relationship between Cyn and the absolute solver.
I’ve been thinking about it, but to be completely honest, I am at a loss when it comes to this song lol. Not sure if the song is about Uzi, Cyn, or the AS, or even all 3
From what I saw most people discussing, it's about Cyn and AS. Cyn wants Uzi to swallow AS, and won't let the AS swallow them. The AS wants to swallow Uzi. (This foreshadows Uzi becoming admin, as the show does love its foreshadowing and easter eggs.) This contradicts this video though, because this idea revolves around Cyn being controlled by AS and wanting to be let go, don't let them know (she's still in there), and to let them carry on without her after she's killed and AS is swallowed.
One thing's for certain. No matter how you slice it, something's getting swallowed, growling nightcore style. 🤟
After taking this new headcannon that cyn is in control and is using the absolute solver into Consideration,
I think I might have come up with new interpretation of the song,
Although I have to admit this interpretation is more metaphorical and has less evidence.
This song is about cyn from the past before she was discarded , metaphorically confronting her present self’s actions as cyn/absolute solver, having a back and forth argument and fight.
Although i don’t see it as a literal turmoil that’s happening during her fight but more figurative
In Ep 8 of murder drones, we don’t actually see if there is any inner conflict between Cyn and the absolute solver as separate entities during the fight against Uzi, N and V.
@@Duke_Erebus This is why the sharing of ideas and headcannons is important and something to be celebrated. It leads to a collage of perspectives that can all be molded from different angles into new concepts. It's why theory videos, even when they aren't always right, are fun to watch. Everyone's telling a story with each other. 😁
@@JosieViolette exactly! I honestly love fans coming together to share ideas, perspectives and theories about a show I and others deeply adore.
👏 Great Theory man
Either its Cyn using the Solver or the Solver completely assimilating Cyns Personality and wants
I mean that creates a gray area of whether you still consider it to be Cyn or this is what Cyn would’ve done. Fine idea either way
i cant belive u have so little subs, underrated
wait i was just watching this peacefully and then
350 SUBS???? I THOUGHT YOU HAD AT LEAST 10K OR SMTH WTHH???
351 now lmao
Great Theory Video 👍👌👌👍
17:16
Was not expecting Ponder's Theme here lol
@@Demiourge_Official it just felt so right to use I couldn’t help it lol
I subscribe more to the idea that Cyn is not the one in control, as is heavily implied in the BITE ME song, which is (assumedly by many commenters) a song about Cyn and the AS. Cyn's in the background, but she hasn't been "discarded," just as the AS promised her and also promised to Tessa, "You won't have to discard your pets, and I won't discard you." _Technically,_ the AS was true to its word 'til the very end, and the same _technicality_ applies to Cyn, regardless of how present she actually is.
I enjoyed this theory video, but I don't agree with the concept and I think the video game is pretty alien to MD in every aspect; I don't think they're remotely similar or related, because 'connections' can be made up very easily, but literal evidence, direction, and correlation makes logical sense. However, I'm happy everyone gets to enjoy and share their theories! It's a great expression of thought that brings the community together and inspires. It's like I get to rewatch Murder Drones through someone else's impassioned eyes for 20 minutes.
I’m so glad you feel that way and that you’re strong to your ideas while being open to others. I feel the exact same way, so happy that the community is coming together to all share their own ideas and expressing their love for Murder Drones. It’s the gift that keeps on giving
@@KaiserCydra The community makes cool stories and videos like these. 🙂
THIS WOULD ALSO EXPLAIN WHY THERES A SPIRE OF CORPSES!!! cyn awoke at the bottom of a pile of corpses.
Either that's some trauma dump (literal dump) or she's attempting to recreate the conditions that made her to see how common this is/weed out said competition easier. Or maybe both!
8:07 but Uzi to control use this things on her and controlled by her heads to made the connection + this controller that she use to control (we see this thinks in ep2 on uzi and braiden + ep 5 on N, V and uzi)
Yeah I know, but my point is that she has experience possessing drones and that may be the reason why she was able to reverse callback ping Cyn.
Doll has a different absolute solver Because she had some update? New patch that makes her unable to have wings or tentacles + solver cant transform her to solver doll, like Uzi
(At least that's what I think)
@@ZjemCiMleczko definitely possible and I do feel like Cabin Fever might have been more focused on patching Cyn’s influence so that they have AS drones that can fight back against Cyn
@@KaiserCydra
People were experimenting with drones, some didn't work, some turned into monsters, they changed the Absolute solver in some way, and yeva had the last version=no demonic shadows and more
Doll as yeva's daughter has her version
@@KaiserCydraMaybe that's why yeva and doll could create and copy things (yeva created knife and cut nori's hand)
Uzi could probably have tentacles like cyn has (At the end she has them)But cyn was much better at using the Absolute solver, uzi when she got wings and a tail she became a monster, and she had no control over herself
I think I generally agree with this theory. it works out and makes some things make sense. I don't entirely agree with some points, but others definitely convinced me.
A series of my specific takes because I want to put them to text somewhere:
so the solver is some form of eldritch digital entity that can control the code of reality to some degree (reality is a simulation theory true, no clickbait????), and can only manifest in the presence of electrical (or mechanical?) devices.
Cyn made a pact with the solver after it brought her back to life. She ended up using its powers to destroy humanity, and any other drone that may gain access to its powers.
Cyn appears to be a zombie drone, a drone that was not properly disposed of, and came back corrupted with "an increased risk of future errors" (see the intro of episode 5).
Solver powers seem to be "Genetic" (or actually genetic, since drone cores seem to be partially biological). Uzi gained hers from Nori, Doll from Yeva.
Solver powers may be able to be increased in drones by humans *somehow*, seeing as Cyn suggested that the drones the humans were experimenting on at copper 9 (you know, Yeva, Nori, and the other 46+) had the power spread to them "All they did was spread it".
Solver powers don't need to be awoken by a drone zombifying, there are other means to awaken them. its unclear (at least to me) if this can happen in all drones, only in the drones that became the witches of copper 9, or what the deal is.
Cyn can control other drones. Likely through hacking like Uzi did. This ability may or may not be granted by the solver (as we only see it used by two Solver users), but if it is granted by the solver it bypasses solver rules that prevent powers from affecting other solver units.
Cyn may have a means to detect and hack solver drones. while she has been shown to hack other drones (the butler drones who eventually became the disassembly drones), she primarily seems to focus on the other solver drones. Possibly via connecting through the solver itself as you suggested.
Some part of Cyn survived and exists inside Uzi. It likely became part of her either through the absorption of Cyn's dissolved remains, or the swallowing of the Solver Singularity (which despite looking very similar, is very different from the null blackholes they were throwing around.). Why this happened and cyn didn't die with the destruction of her core is very unclear, and could be due to her being a solver Admin like you suggested.
A bit more after reading ToaArcan's comment:
I didn't really realize that the solver was eating the planets honestly. thought it was just Cyn being destructive. but it makes a bit of sense.
The solver seems to have multiple forms. the Singularity that eats the planet and the energy tentacles that come out of that singularity, the tentacles we see in the cabin, and the code inside the drones.
I think that Toa's theory regarding the solver being let into Cyn is probably pretty solid. wouldn't be surprised if the Cyn we see is either influenced by its personality, or the other way around.
I still wonder why Cyn decided to wear Tessa's skin like a skin suit
Cyn tries to preserve N because she genuinely cares for him but the absolute solver doesn't care about N at all so there must be something to differentiate the two
So this is pretty accurate to what I think but a few different details, it starts with how cyns control spread, it seems like after the attack the humans were experimenting with how this happened and put solver in drones, every drone that got solver (not obtained it from their parents) originally got infected with cyn, until patch, now it really seems like cyn is a part of solver, but not the solver itself, I think that cyn fused herself with the solver acting as some kind of Trojan horse virus, that’s why they use patches to remove her control, it’s literally removing the virus. Cyn is not the solver, but is using it to spread, this explains also why she wants to consume planets, since she is now a part of solver she also feels the need to collect matter. I also think I know what callback ping does, I think it’s a command that is telling the solver program to reset to original code, giving her control again, but those with full control over their solver can completely override it. I think that black hole was the solver and when Uzi ate it she also became a part of the solver, that’s why cyn is also in the same body, it’s because the black hole represents some kind of soul solvers have, and by eating the black hole it combines with her original adding to the black hole, this goes back to what I was saying on how cyn combined with the solver and why cyn feels the need to collect matter, it’s because the solver doesn’t have a conciseness, so the cyn we see is cyn but with many of the ideas of the solver, that’s why the Uzi we see at the end of the show has 2 concisenesses at once.
It does seem like the black hole cores are the equivalent of a soul, but you brought up a good point, Cyn does seem to need to consume planets to gain more matter, possibly the source of the AS wielders seemingly infinite regeneration. The solver may have the ability to store consumed matter that it can use to rebuild itself and create wings and the likes
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Cyn used the tail uzi uses when grabing nori thats why it has light
Happily noted!!
Hi. You did a good thing making comparisons. I think I have something that can further support this theory.
In the highlights video on Twitch of Allanah Fitzgerald’s live stream where she watches Mass Destruction, at 41:19, she says “Cyn has now become the Absolute Solver”.
To me, this implies that the two entities had practically merged, almost becoming one. This actually explains many things. Cyn is the embodiment of the Solver, to the point she considers herself to be the AI at its core. The Solver ultimately corrupted Cyn. She fuels its innate desire to consume everything while she uses it to possess or kill other hosts.
Good to note. I'm nearly done writing the script for part 2 so this is good extra information have. I'll make sure to check it out. Thanks
The reason why it's Absolute Solver only in ep6&7 in the credits is because of the Russian Sub (CC) didn't refer to the voice by name which they used [Син] being Cyn in episode 5 and 8 to the english and a few others [Solver] but not in 6 and there being no Russian subs at all for ep7. To back this up Nori is referred to as Heart/Nori in the episode 7 credits, in the english CC she is always Heart but in alot of others after she reveals she is Nori the subs change the name from Heart to Nori, this is just a sub and credits thing. Solver has always been 1 thing (at least on screen) as all the way back in episode 2 the Solver referred to the drones as puppets, so why would she refer to herself as one. Cyn was gone before we got anything of her unfortunately. The way the Solver speaks lines up with how it spoke at the start of episode 5 and remained consistent throughout the series. FitzyVA was just unaware of this, got confused and was wrong, considering episode 8 went back to Cyn/Absolute Solver. The original drone either faded away before the events of ep5 or never came back online.
@@Kirakishou7
I am so glad you brought up the “puppets” line because I also recently noticed that and have a rebuttal in part 2. Seriously though, I’m really glad I’m creating a discussion, whether it’s in support or against my theory
Hi. I respect that argument. However, considering the number of times Glitch Productions themselves use Cyn’s name, even in the synopsis for Absolute End and in merchandise, I feel at least confident that the real Cyn is present. No offense, but the reason I believe that Allanah’s statement is true is because there is no real reason to assume it is not.
@@hi.923 I believe the reason they use the name Cyn is because it's easier to say. Characters like V and J refer to Cyn as "It". If Glitch, Liam, and the actors call her Cyn then why not have the credits reflect that by just saying Cyn instead of the Absolute Solver or the combination? As it makes no sense as to why it would go back to using both an episode later using Fitzy's logic if she became the solver. The only way it would be Cyn if it used Designs logic for the parasite to develop it's personality through the dead host so in a way it's Cyn, but also not, it's just mimicking it's host at most. As another thing is when N calls her Cyn in the basement and gets corrected by stating it's the Solver of the absolute fabric, the void, the exponential end. I'm interested in the rebuttle to the puppet line though.
What I still don´t get is: What are the solvers goals and what are cyns? Which parts of the narrative drive whomst goals forward? Work they against each other or cooperating? do they work independently from each other? so many questions.
Yeah this becomes even more confusing when you take to account that the AS in episode 2 said they were fixing J as part of “Our directive”. A directive that Cyn has clearly shown no interest in
CYN calls herself "The Solver of The Absolute Fabric, The Void, The Exponential End" in memory. I wonder, if "Absolute fabric" can be an ability descriptor or title (which ties to different abilities). After all, all three versions could have developed independently, and be completely different programs, just sharing some properties. Solver might even not be a singular entity, which also works with "our puppets"
Also, I think I know what the code does. It is a code to mask a request. It is used to avoid executing unsafe requests from users. For me, it might be Uzi creating wrapper around CYN/Solver to keep it in bay
Hmm, I never thought of Solver types having different names, makes me wonder what “Fabric” “Void” and “Exponential End” implies. “Void” could be Null, “Exponential End” might be Cyn’s ability to manifest flesh and “Fabric” would be her being able to “fabricate” holograms
I feel like their consciousnesses "fused"
This makes more sense...
Hopefully part 2 makes just as much sense
I think the absolute solver is a black hole manifested into a digital program and maybe the reason why the solver needs a host is so it won’t collapse into an actual black hole or some singularity and end the universe ,it destroyed earth and several other exoplanets to sustain itself and Cyn’s main color is yellow the common color of a black hole’s accretion disk . I don’t think Cyn’s eyes were originally yellow and most likely white . The yellow could represent the actual absolute solver . The absolute solver’s null ability has a distortion effect around it similarly to a black hole , I personally think that Cyn isn’t in control because why doesn’t nori doll and uzi have robotic voices? Like Cyn either Cyn’s voice is damaged or that the robotic voice is the absolutesolver itself. The absolute solver symbol is a hexagon (that which is a common shape in our natural world/the universe) with three arrow points that could represent three dimensions or the three laws of physics that which a singularity absolutely breaks. Conclusion: the absolutesolver is some Eldridge black hole thingy that makes itself look weaker than it actually is because what’s the fun in a fight if your essentially god-like right?
Actually the Solver insignia's center is a cube. You can see when the solver retracts after use (example EP6 when Doll steals back the keybug.) Liam loves the cube as their was a giant cube shaped building in Design and of course his other series Internecion Cube. And it's also based on Unity/Unreal Engine controls iirc.
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Amazing video my guy keep it up
Theme is crazy rabbit puppet from Liam is it ?
@@grandmasteroturan2574 Yup, our favorite dimensional destroying game host
i am not sure if it was intentional or not but i just realized that cyn kinda reads like sin-just a fact i wanted to share before watching the video
Do you guys think the absolute solver has a form of its own
Hard to say, maybe not a physical form but I’d say it’s possible at the very least a form that exist on an unseen alternate plain, such is most eldritch beings
Uzi had needed external equipment to hack into other minds, the white and red pads are mond hackers. The solver doesn't.
We don't know but i will like to take this theory as canon
What if cyn was a previous host for the solver and was completely taken over, and the reason she kept n around was for a new better host.
It is possible that Cyn is looking for a new body because hers is pretty damage, judging by the way she moves and the fact she’s the only solver user that was actually dead when she gained the solver, it is possible that her AI has some serious damage, the drone equivalent of being clinically dead and having severe brain damage when being woken up
I’m pretty sure we see Cyn with a tail in a part of ep 8 (when she was fighting N and Uzi and flies up so she doesn’t fall I’m pretty sure she had a tail)
@@Shooter99997 I didn’t see anything, but it might have been one of her tentacles. If you find it, let me know the timestamp and I’ll gladly check it out
@@KaiserCydra I rewatched it and I was wrong lol
Escape data means to ad a special lines of code in this case. to stop cyn from Completely taking over Uzi code. Global means world wide but in murder drones. I means every drone in the system that cyn had.entity means all drones with the solver.and most likely replace means it is replace who has control over the drones that Uzi does not have Admin to. The escape data is a 50/50 that I’m right on it😅 hope this helps.
This is only a criticism how the original Siege Optimus Prime executes its aesthetic above all else.
Yes good to know the murder is still alive
amazing vid keep up
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19:01 seems like we went a little over 200 views lmao
Yeah trying to get Part 2 out soon, but I’ve been soooooooooo busy
Ok so i have some things to say
1. Cyn vs Absolute Sover
To be honest i think no matter what someone says, i would still think Cyn and the AS are the same thing at this point. Something about this is that Cyn's body is the only drone (that we know of) to actually be brought back with the AS. All other AS users just have nerfed versions, or were artificially given the program. This means for nori, yeva, uzi, and doll, they have the ai of the AS fighting with their ai. But for Cyn, she died, and instead of rebooting like a normal zombie drone, her ai mutated and was replaced by the AS ai. And for the "scared" look cyn gives when she reboots in the dump, this could also mean that the AS is just shocked at being able to see for (to our knowledge) first time ever, or something else. And for the naming thing, i just say it's because it's cyn's body. Also from the tape episode 5, we know that the AS is an actual ai. To me it doesn't make sense for the harmful mutations to occur is cyn and then the ai just lets cyn do her own thing. Another thing is that cyn being completely AS explains why cyn can function perfectly fine with head cut off, and with her heart pulled out. Sense cyn's ai completely died, the AS is able to completely inhabit the body. But others (like uzi) need their heart to function. Cyn's body is 100% AS, there for when the whole ai is consumed by uzi, cyns entire body (exept for tessa's bone RIP) melts into nothing.
2. The power differences
This is the main thing i have issues with. In my opinion, Cyn not using abilities that the other drones use is very unreliable. Cyn/AS we are definitely able to know is just having fun during episode 8, her not duplicating objects is fhe same reason she just stands there and reacts to attacks a lot of the fight. Doll not having flesh wings or making NULLS is very likely because she is honestly terrified of the AS. She doesn't want to use the tool that could be used to consume the planet.And for flesh wings, she is very private about the AS and covers it up any chance she gets, using literal flesh wing and possible a tail is much more obvious that the AS symbol on her face (also she definitely would just prefer teleporting) Now uzi's mind control ability. I really don't buy this. I do think that if a drone was smart enough (like uzi) they could develop the Bluetooth things to control another drone sense they are all robots. So about the callback ping thing, cyn sending out a callback ping is establishing connection between uzi and cyn. Since we know strong emotion can either let in or force out the AS. With this connection that cyn created, i think it makes sense for uzi to (with a strong enough will) send back that connection and basically digitaly slap cyn across the face. I think that the callback ping basically a way for AS to communicate with one another, this explains why the disassembly drones have nother happen to them, this is becuse their AS program is a nerfed version.
Im sure i forgot some things and also some spelling mistakes as i typed this on a phone. Please tell me what you think.
(For some reason all of youtube lags if I add more to my comment)
Another thing is the feral uzi thing. We know from episode 5 that the AS's goal is complete annihilation. Uzi going feral and just mindlessly killing people feels like that goal, just without the intelligence. I think sense uzi just fully grown flesh parts and a heart. She is basically overtook by the goal and ambition of the AS, just without the ai of it, she then just needs a emotional enough slap for her to break from that.
I love the ideas and discussions you guys all think of, there’s so much argument for this and that that it becomes increasingly difficult to come up with an answer for everything. But I will talk about the one thing that’s been bugging me. The tape. The tape implies that JC Jetson already knew about the solver, so why didn’t they have a patch ready or why did they seem so clueless at cabin fever labs. Also how did they calculate those odds? .01% chance of reboot with a .7% chance of mutation and it only appears in damage drones which makes up 53% of all discarded drones meaning we get 1 AS user in every 25 million discarded worker drones. Not saying it ain’t possible to collect this data but it would need to be in a controlled environment and there’s too many unknown variables. Plus if there were previous Solver users, how were they dealt with?