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- Special Stage Route X is currently the last of several Special Stage courses to make its debut on Gran Turismo, and also the last Special Stage course to appear on a Gran Turismo title at all, on Gran Turismo 7. It first appeared on Gran Turismo 5 as downloadable content, before appearing in GT6, GT Sport, and of course GT7.
The series' developers once built a second infield layout of Special Stage Route X. A layout that, even ten years on now, has never been released on any Gran Turismo game.
In this video, we'll take a look at the remains of this alternate layout which live out of bounds of the regular circuit and we'll also take a look at the other clues we have to paint a picture of what this track would have originally looked like.
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Kinda sad they didn't make a complete version of it, it looks really cool
Same for the Gran Turismo Arena from GT6
@@ImadHadjersi yep. But they did added it on GT6 Spec II Mod.
@@purwantiallan5089 the whole track? Never heard of this
The full GT Arena track had a rising multi tiered layout. It looked crazy. There's an easter egg in the form of a framed image in one of the buildings at Driving Park in GT Sport.
my guess is that going upside down on the ceiling in the tube tunnel was behaving strangely with the physiscs and given how much value they put in accurate physics, they didn't want to release a track that would showcase strange physics
Could've limited it to just the SRT Tomahawk X or something and use the excuse that it's futuristic.
The problem is that the cars behaves weirdly when they flip and roll over in Gran Turismo, like they lose all weight, inertia and flop wildly when they're upside down.
So much that in Gran Turismo 1 to 4 there was a deliberate limitation on how much the cars could incline when they had one wheel out of the surface, tmsaid limitation was one of the reasons why we had the infamous Escudo wheelie glitch in GT2 and GT3.
Because of this, I doubt we will ever see the infield of Route X getting finished.
They could easily add walls to the sides of the tube to prevent you from driving upside down. Yeah, it would suck, but at least we'd have the track.
Alternatively, they could fix the inverted behavior of the cars. That's a lot more work, but the result would be a much better game overall.
@@moperry8399 I agree, invisible walls sucks but in this case it would prevent the track from being scrapped...
Polyphony Digital should add that layout to GT7.
It looks fun to drive on.
Something quite difficult to happen, but I would love it if they did!
You can actually properly drive on this track on BallisticNG via a Steam Workshop mod.
@@MBeekes Gonna assume you meant Beam NG lol. Also I wonder if anyone has ported it to Assetto Corsa because that would be insane. AC has many cars from GT games through mods, including the X2010.
@@midlifehemi88 nope, ballisticNG is a modern wipeout styled game
@@poopmeat15 Today I learned
I've always wanted to drive around on this alternate layout of SSRX ever since I first saw the map of the and the screenshots of it's unused corners and map. I hope it makes it's proper debut in a GT7 update or a future GT title, it would be a blast to drive around.
yeah at like 241km/h because the cars are getting nerfed super badly and the speed might not even be 100% accurate so it'd be 161km/h
imagine the bugatti veyron from gt6 (patch 1.00) driving on this layout and entering at 500km/h
@Damar Fadlan That wouldnt be possible unless you hacked gt5 super badly, its possible to get 10000kmh in gt3 but theres no special stage route x (I had a car with millions of bhp and it was more uncontrollable than a car with 50k bhp and didnt gain that much more topspeed)
You can drive it on PC. Someone ripped the model from GT Sport or GT7 and imported it into Assetto Corsa, then they completed the missing tunnel section using Gran Turismo's own assets.
@@LewisHamiltonMSPRBut it’s not accurate at all. Still probably the closer we’ll get to drive the Infield layout.
Maybe the real infield layout was the friends we made along the way?
Wholesome.
That was smooth
LMAO
@@MattJ155 Ayumu Uehara, Shioriko Mifune, and Yuu Takasaki all loved the infield layout of SSRX. Shame that PD not allow this infield layout to appear in any GT games.
@@sapras76 smooth operator??
You know, the way this infield layout is designed gives me vibes of the Cyber Formula anime. Would've been soo amazing to have this layout fully playable.
Yep. Ayumu Uehara, Setsuna Yuki, Shioriko Mifune, Yuu Takasaki, and Ai Miyashita and Lanzhu Zhong all love this infield track layout of SSRX obviously.
This layout would probably be the only course I'd enjoy driving Vision GT cars on, typically they're too fast for me to control
@@tetsmon and those midget vans from gt2...
Hardcore bobsled/trackmania vibes
And for those that'd want to drive on this track, there is a pretty good version someone made for Assetto Corsa. Has the normal & this infield layout, so that's a way you are able to go on it. Still a shame it never made it in the GT series officially though.
Wait really? Do you know the creator or where to find it?
@@Zoonsky Have downloaded it eariler this year myself, and the link is in the description of this video here th-cam.com/video/9GQ9tKPUGj0/w-d-xo.html
@@Zoonsky You might be able to find it on Race Department if you look hard enough
@@Zoonsky here's a video on it:
th-cam.com/video/9GQ9tKPUGj0/w-d-xo.html
AC version for pcs?
I love how trippy and ethereal this whole environment is, even the final track evokes this feeling. It's like you're in a parallel universe or another planet that's also inhabited by humans. The music that you chose at the end further drives it home.
So great to see you going back to making Gran Turismo videos again! Hope all is well.
Thanks Randy! After taking a break from GT, I've definitely got some new ideas for videos now. :) Hope you're doing good!
10:35
I remember years ago, before GT Sport was even announced, Gameinformer magazine did a short piece of upcoming next gen games, and GT7 was part of the article.
1 in-game screenshot was included, and I distinctly remember seeing a black and silver Pagani Huayra driving through that same exact tube section over 200 mph with GT6's HUD layout. I could never figure out what track that was or if was just crazy until now.
Share a screenshot in Reddit and farm that karma yay!
No but seriously, you got me intrigued...
Do you have a link? Please I’m dying to know😭
i need to see this
that article wouldn't happen to be "Catching Up With Next-Gen's Racing Games" from the 24th of august 2013? cause the only thing i'm getting for the gt6 section outside of the text is a gray square with text saying "Sorry, this video is not available", i want to find this
It looks incredibly fun. Still a slipstreamfest at its core, but with much more variety than the standard SSRX
6:54 Eiger Nordwand track have 4 four layouts and can loads all them.
12:42 Actually there's a track that was used for x2010 speed testing, it looks like "Salzburg Airport" for me. It's an unused track that was seen on GT5 E3 2009 trailer, GT5 AGS 2009 trailer, Mercedes SLS AMG trailer, from a Japanese TV commercial called "we love cars", from photo location mode which is called "Red Bull Hangar-7" and from Red Bull X2010 challenge special event intro cutscene.
GT5 E3 2009 trailer shows Mazda 787B and Audi R10 TDI drag racing:
th-cam.com/video/991WcoEPwb8/w-d-xo.htmlsi=WZaFEQXT97hxjokU&t=103
GT5 AGS 2009 trailer shows an airplane chasing Mazda 787B and Audi R10 TDI:
th-cam.com/video/y0znWIEkxRY/w-d-xo.htmlsi=yCxwuhHdT0b-jmPT&t=85
Mercedes SLS AMG trailer:
th-cam.com/video/-m3cy7uK5js/w-d-xo.htmlsi=L7846P6lPsg04_dU&t=34
We love cars commercial:
th-cam.com/video/cMcYfgmzz_o/w-d-xo.htmlsi=-hzaT3kYt0F904DN&t=29
Red Bull X2010 challenge:
th-cam.com/video/L_3SgadybWw/w-d-xo.htmlsi=iucWq2N4vQLAjAw4&t=103
Wow, I've never heard the Salzburg Airport story before. I'll have to check that out!
I have a suspicion that the infield may be a sort of dev track. You have a handful of corner types that may serve to test how the handling model stacks up, and corners with very large banks, much more than possibly ever necessary, to stress test the engine in extreme situations.
The textures chosen do seem quite unfit for racing afterall. The game's a simulator, so unpaved roads would be poor fits for something you're expected to believe you're really driving on. And the pack the oval came with was a "speed test" pack, so I do not struggle to believe they used this developer infield to test the redbulls and the physics engine.
Nah. A developer test track would be just a bunch of gray roads (see the dynamic sky test tracks in GT6 for example), they wouldn't waste all this time modelling and texturing all these details if they didn't intend the player to see them.
I disagree, this wouldn't make sense because why would they develop a polished and finished layout in a existing track when a simple test level can do all the job? This would consume too much time in the deveopment for something that wouldn't go to the final game. So I strongly disagree...
@@huks. EXACTLY!
What's crazy to me was that there was also a Matterhorn rally track that was scrapped. There are also pics of it (1 or 2 I believe).
Any links to those pics?
It's also in a leaked pre-release build of GT5, but it rarely loads.
@@sokerestarhuehue2296 Search gran turismo 5 cut tracks
Oh my god, I want to live near that track. This stupid deleted test track touches my heart like I've never felt before. Its like a clean minimalist Nürburgring or an IRL trackmania track.
I FUCKING LOVE THIS, POLYPHONY, PUT THIS IN OR ILL DIE IRL
I second the Trackmania energy I get from this. It legitimately feels like a combo of what you saw back in the TM Sunrise days with the island environment combined with the track pieces from TM2's Canyon
Same, when I look to the images and footage of that track I almost feel immerse, I can imagine the sun's heat during the day and the noise of the ambient and the cold and silence during the night... I know, sounds pretty weird, but I definitevely can imagine that...
Bro your vids are too good. You should have at least triple the amount of subs
Thanks - I appreciate that!
someone made the track in Assetto Corsa with the infield layout. was very weird
Oh wow, I must check that out!
Where can I find that mod?
RandomCarGuy17 on TH-cam made a video on it. It's not a 100% accurate recreation.
Big respect for using Harrison BDP - Decompression
One of my favourite artists and songs in the genre
I checked the remains in GT7... What you can see is even less than GT6, the lines were removed from the 180° turn... It seems its been promoted to environment, never to be seen again...
Haven't played GT since GT5 as ive been on xbox since then. I've played other racing games like Forza and PGR. I've always found racing sim games to have this really charming but at times slightly mysterious vibe/aesthetic to them. They go for such realism that it can feel weird to be driving a real car, with real stats, in a real world location (or based on one) but then theres all this weird programming nonsence none of us would pick up on behind the scenes.
Amazingly, I was thinking of this layout today and here you are uploading a video about it. Glad to see a new video from you Matt. :)
RandomCarGuy17, Ayumu, Shioriko, Setsuna, Yuu Takasaki, Ai Miyashita, Karin, Kanon Shibuya, and Maki Nishikino all love this track layout.
Thanks for stopping by!
Some of the corners and loops on the map layout remind me of Complex String from GT3. It definitely seems like something that would be used for testing. I would love to have an opportunity to drive around this though.
Complex string was the first thing I thought of aswell
Same, this could've been a nice spiritual successor to Complex String, like the final SSRX was to Test Course
@@Legend0P wasn't Complex String implied to be within or next to Test Course?
Came for the track, stayed for the music. Nice selection!
Thanks! I really tried to match the music to the ambiance of the circuit. I spent a lot of time picking out the tracks. Originally, I was going to use a track called Fireworks by Greenface for the ending sequence, but I decided to change it to Harrison BDP as it was more like the other tracks I'd used.
This track already looked magic but when you showed this layout it just looks so incredible.just imagine if this existed in real life,it would be a dream
I remember seeing the half circle part of it and thinking they need to add that. Itd probably be some of the funnest races, people driving cars that can barely go upside down in that tunnel and falling onto other drivers lol.
I was wondering why there was a mystery overpass that had to do something, it was another course!
That one bit about Grand Valley and Autumn Ring using two different files to load in the selected layout is interesting. Since I’m assuming it was done to conserve memory, could that be a hint that the reason we never got the infield layout was due to memory limitations possibly because of how detailed SSRX was on top of how big the track was? I think I remember in the thread on GTPlanet where people were discussing about the layout, someone found a dirt trail outside of SSRX’s boundaries that looked detailed and took screenshots of it. Honestly maybe this track is just more detailed than what we thought and the reason why we didn’t got the track until 2 years after the release of Gran Turismo 5 despite SSRX being in the game’s files at launch was because Polyphony was still trying to limit the amount of memory Special Stage Route X was taking up and the alternate layout got cut because it couldn’t get along with what the PS3 could handle despite Polyphony using that same method to load in the layouts for Grand Valley and Autumn Ring using two different files.
They use two different files to save on memory and VRAM, especially if you're using the short layout. Autumn Ring long layout wouldn't benefit much from having the short sections removed.
It might not be that intensive since it's a relatively simple, undetailed track, especially compared to say the Madrid, London, Rome tracks etc.
Those city tracks are densely detailed with many different assets close together, whereas SSRX is much more simple and less cluttered, it's a lot of copy/pasting of far fewer assets.
I remembered looking at that layout in GT6 and thought “How fun would it be if I drove on there”
wow glad i found this video after i open up my gt7... good to know it. have a nice day!
I've known about this for awhile, I think it's a part of series lore. Really wish PD made an easter egg about it like a sign that says "No tunnels to drive upside down in exist here" on the offramp. They've upped their game for other easter eggs and inside jokes within the community. Only thing missing is Zombie Jeff Gordon.
I want an open world map with all the special stage routes connected into one giant highway system. Drive around it finding opponents to race head to head ala tokyo xtreme racer. Gran Turismo would have an ace up it's sleeve.
I love how there are spectators on the closed section of the circuit 😂
This track has always fascinated me, glad to finally see this video
Gran Turismo and Lo-Fi house go together so well (when you're not racing ofc). Surprised they haven't made any official inclusions in their soundtrack.
happy to have you back again man!
It's good to be back. :)
it might just simply be that the physics engine wouldve just made that big bank not work in regular gameplay but still it wouldve been so cool
they should release it, even if it sucks for racing, chilling would be good on it
Your music choices are absolutely wonderful.
We need an iceberg part 2
Thank you, I always wanted to see this!
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Really appreciate this video gt has had some amazing tracks created and I miss alot of create your own tracks and snow ones
Matt you absolute legend! I have been wanting to see this since the layout theory threads on GTPlanet during the GT5 days. Someone has made a recreation of this course which has the full layout completely drivable in Assetto Corsa. An interesting thing is that the course map seems to show that the divergence from the main oval is before the pit lane, where you start the lap in this video. However, the course would be more functional if the divergence was afterward, and if you drive along the front straight, you'll see there is a section of the track which veers left off of the front straight, at the 600m line.
God this would have been a great track to fuck around with. Very disappointed this never saw the day. Too many cut original tracks from GT these days.
I love SSRX. I just put on some music and floor it. I like watching all the light posts, advertising and other details go past. It makes me feel calm somehow.
Epic choice of background music here.
Nice one!
I can only image how much popularity SSRX would have been if they went with a second layout being the infield layout. it really is a let down that so many GT fans including myself would have hoped for this mystery infield layout to let the players see it in action. but unfortunately the devs have just left it there to be in the background as a scraped abandoned idea.
Thanks for the video! SSR10 is good for testing top speed, but I always thought that there’s something more on the track. I’d love to see the Infield tunnels and other sections completed.
The vibe of the infield layout in gt5 honestly scares me
Assetto Corsa has a mod of SSRX with the secret "Road course" layout
This is an amazing video! I think someone actually made a mod for Assetto Corsa on PC with this track...
Thanks!
you should do a video on how SSR5 SSR7 and SSR11 are connected! There is a map of it online
That's interesting. In GT5, when the SSR7 first appeared, in the first corner of the SSR5 (in the tunnel) there is a deviation and a sign that reads SSR7
@@dalh426 SSR11 connects at turn 10 on SSR5 its a interesting setup
Another one for me would be the Special stage route 5 and 7 being seemingly linked together from what people have gathered from background landmarks and highway signs. Would have made for a great Tokyo Extreme racer style map if we could seemingly hop between the two on the same map.
there is a mod of ssrx for assetto corsa and it has the infield course.
You have great music taste! 🤩
What a cool hidden track!
Thanks for posting this Matt, I have been a huge Gran Turismo fan since the first game, and I have had questions about the other bits of track visible from the drivable parts of Special Stage Route X. I wish all of this had been fleshed out and completed, I would love to drive on it! Please Polyphony, finish this, so all of us Gran Turismo fans can drive on it and enjoy another cool track instead of just seeing bits of scenery!
Thanks for watching!
A good test track (the cut areas at 9:03 and the arrow marked for GT6 look like something from F Zero as most games don't offer this vertically, sure Crash Team Racing's Sewer Speedway I guess for tunnels but no came has that on the ceiling without antigravity ,sure WipEout has some antigravity among other futuristic racers but not an F Zero way, but a Sim racer I wouldn't have expected they would present it testing powerful cars or not) I think Test Course always I'd get under the limit of certain cars in GT3&4 so it was always hard to tell if you could reach an LM car's limit with faster cars especially those with upgrades while with SSX you can easily see them and have a more interesting Like the Wind race.
Out of bounds or unfinished development stuff is always cool. Not surprised other tracks cut off as they don't need to be visible/the game loads less/benefits load times not being wasted on content it doesn't need to so makes sense.
I'm always sad Complex String never got to later versions (PSP or GT4 files but unused). The 'every corner to test players in GT3' and while others get close you aren't getting Tahiti Maze or certain other corners besides Slaloms as the closest to that in and out weaving or the larger swinging one side to the other at the top of the course. It's why for a GT3 mod I wondered if that was ever a thing to allow AI to race on it not making it only a license test or time trial course. I haven't used or checked GT3 modes and assumed most went to GT4 like I've seen with the mission challenge style ones people have done.
I wonder if the possibility of having cars fall helplessly from the ceiling looks bad for manufacturers. Many auto makers reportedly don’t like seeing their products take normal road collisions, I bet that has something to do with it.
Someone put the infield layout in Asseto Corsa but yeah this is a true unicorn for GT fans,it's a mad track,don't know what inspired Kaz to do it.
one thing in this video gave me special chills: third soundtrack in this video is actually based on Nujabes - Latitude remix. he is my number one favorite artist for many years and i discovered him and this kind of music through the fanmade music video from Tokyo highway game Shutokou Battle X/Import Tuner Challenge and this song on youtube called Shutokou Battle X music video!
They need to make this a thing in Gran Turismo 7!!!
There's Alot of unique things to find on tracks if one moves around via replay camera
Theres a mod of this track for assetto corsa wich includes the infield circuit (yes you can drive it). Its fun but the more realistig physics of AC also makes the quite bumpy high banked turn quite a challange especially on high downforce cars
Really makes you curious of why they really decided not to complete this layout.
they need to make an option in online lobbies or singleplayer (time trials) where you can change the physics from each game (maybe gt3 or 4, gt5, gt6 (patch 1.00 included) and gt sport) and if u beat the game fully 100%, you can change the physics on any type of event
COME ON PD! PLEASE BRING THIS INFIELD LAYOUT TO GT7! PLEASE?! 🙏🙏🙏😔😔😔
Hey man great videos as always and this is my favourate track of all in gt.
Thanks Luis!
I wish that mystery variant is incorporated into Gran Turismo 7. So I want to know how much aerodynamics the cars can handle through these types of banked corners.
9:50 "I'm not even sure what to call this"
Call it kreisel, from the bobsleigh world.
secret stage route, this is a track to test the gravity physics including driving high downforce cars upside down i would love it getting real in my lifetime
We need this!
I hope the other part of Special Stage Route X is raceable.
Like imagine Hot Wheels being Part of gran turismo.
And the Shadow MK II Should be a new LM Race Car with it.
Special Stage Route X gives off a strong Ace Combat vibe.
As if this track is built on Strangereal not Earth.
yeaaa finally someone said it
@@NiffersFoapi - fellow Ace here.
Driving on the ceiling successfully means that Belkan Witchcraft has blessed the driver... or they have no blood like the mute protagonists.
@@pmayo7894 eh??
Certainly one of my favorite tracks in the game it’s especially nice at night time.
man why does it look smooth beautiful and emotionally phenomenal
could it be the reason the track isn't finished is the fact that you would be able to drive on the ceiling seems like pure chaos to me.
Damn, this track would've definitely been fun to race on. We can only imagine what it would be like.
It would have been an amazing circuit if it was completed
We can't have good things 😔
Wow, that's crazy 😳
PD should make it final so we could use it 🤪🥳
the track itself is literally the definition of liminal spaces
No
More videos like this please
Polyphony unlock that layout we need to drive up to the celling
But can't someone make a mod of this secret version of Special Stage Route X???
We dont have anything like this in modern gran turismo and i want to
theres a track mod for the infield layout for Assetto Corsa
Oh yes: The White Whale of GT.
Nothing like the days of the gt-r 35 glitch under the course for start/finish line donuts to make 200 laps or w/e it was for the money
Can you use that camera underground? I mean following the map where the tunnel was suppossed to be, probably someone can discover if there is something there. Another great scenario where we could play in GT7, if developers want it, is the Moon missions with any car. It would be absolutely great hahahaha
The game doesn’t load the infield layout, there isn’t any 3D model so it makes no sense.
My question is why do they still keep it one the map after GT5, 6, Sport, and now 7? Are they trying to bring it back or is just part of the environment? Because I would think by now that they would remove it from the map if they weren’t gonna go through with it.
you know what i find really annoying from Polyphony? they have lots, LOTS of tools and potential to make the best game ever any single time they're involved in the creation of a GT chapter, and throw it all away randomically. Every, single, frickin, time.
An experimental track for an experimental racecar. To put it through a truly unique test. Could've made for some interesting, wipeout-type racing. Maybe that strayed too far from what they consider Gran Turismo to be, and that's why they scrapped it.
Looks awesome and very different to other tracks
I found 7 different sections (including 01,02 and 03)
what always perplexed me was that this track was dropped at release. it seems they’ve put in effort to develop it, with a lot of files indicating its existence and probably supposed to be released. why, then, was it dropped? and never to be spoken of again by polyphony? interesting, isn’t it?
my guess is that it broke the physics engine, probably wouldn’t work with most cars let alone for racing.
@@ryeb I guess they could've limited it to the Tomahawk X in GT6 onwards. Make it a challenge event or something.
@@SonicBoone56 yeah i’d love that.
This find is epic, I want the infield layout!!
Aye lmao I was just talking wit the pioneers too
~ Todd
This track is so liminal
It was made in an assetto corsa mod and it’s awesome!
I had a dream about this once
i think polyphony will add that.