Why Atk is misleading
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2020
- Now some of you may have already realized that Atk from stats(attributes) are weaker than Atk from gears and runes.
This difference in Atk quality between them is the main reason why adding Luk gives more damage to Lightbringers than adding Str.
In this video I'm going to explore a bit behind the reason why this happens.
Sorry for some of the typos as I was working on it in the middle of the night and I didn't catch them until I published the video T.T
Special thanks to Idlehands, Grawrz and Exclusale as I learned about the attack/damage formulas from their posts in Discord and the Chinese forums
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Just to clarify a bit, there’s actually no “equipAtk” parameter in the formula. I’ve simplified some of the terms for the sake of this video.
This term is however used extensively in the Chinese forums to refer to Atk from non-attribute sources, because of the damage formula in the code base as well a remnant from the PC RO days where Atk from different sources are calculated differently.
What I call “equipAtk” here is written as “Atk - baseAtk” in the code, with “Atk” referring to the the total Atk from all sources (baseAtk + Atk from gears, runes, handbook, etc.). The chinese forums have been referring to this remaining Atk (after subtracting baseAtk) as “equipAtk” so I’ll be using it in this video as well.
Hopefully the term doesn’t confuse you as it also includes the Atk from runes, handbook, etc.
if i dont have mastering,vaga, etc, but use saint cape, still max dex, luk, 240 str and 300k vit right?
yup, but you don't necessarily need to max out luk at 159, 119-13x would be good enough, the rest you can add vit for more hp to survive or even add back to str for some atk. For revo build i would continue to pump vit and add some in int.
Even though baseAtk is lower quality, it is still multiplied by the race and boss modifiers and the final damage multipliers) which helps in your final damage. Adding that last 10-20 luk points to hit 159 may not be that worth it.
@@CherrySmith thank you do much, i just dont have time to try out build, this reference really helps. also what is your opinion on zipper bear star card for acc, is it worth it or race element card better? 🙏
zipper star is not worth it, it's just a lazy build to not change cards
@@CherrySmith thank you 😊
really in depth explanation into the difference between “atks”, great stuff!!
Thanks lodi
This is an awesome video! Bravo!
With This calculation and explanation worth a subscribe, keep it up
Hoping till someone make such in depth explanation on phantom dancer bow class..
Awesome work Cherry Smith 😁😁 thanks for the video
thats a really good job, congrats!
just watch ur video, and thats a frecking good explanation
kinda mind blowing how it works, and made me realize how important thats so called "equip attack"
damn that aeisr node
Great video man, great job
Glad you enjoyed it!
Hi great video break down of the stats. Would the "atk" gained from toad star card be considered baseATK or equipATK?
that’s Atk%, not base nor equip Atk. equip Atk is multiplied by Atk% in the attack formula
I love how u math! Subscibed!
Is guild pray consider as equip atk?
Or to be precise, does base atk only comes from str? Thanks!
yup
Loving this vid Cherry, any chance u can make a video about equip enchaments PDI% vs SB ? is there such thing like an soft formula like 1 PDI% = 2.2 ATK%
Nah those are just effective damage comparisons (or popularly known as DE in the Doram circles), it varies for different people and depends on the target's stats as well. Maybe I'll make one video about this.
@@CherrySmith That be great thank you, i think there are talks about +10 Silent Sinking vs +15 monacle, with Silent as the best F2P item ever
How do you get or what is the definition of "DamReduc2", "Vit2" and "VitPer2" by the way?
you deserve a sub keep up with the content also can you make a guide for new player on new server
Does this apply if im using vagabond star? Or still better str/dex full if using vagabond star?
I have a question . Melee DMG % .. calculate as Base AtK or Equip ATK? Cus I sacrifice my Morale 2 10% Ignore Def to ShardBlade 2 5% Melee DMG . If u don't mind can u answer me .... Thank you CherrySmith
Hi, I watched your video about Saint's Cape.
Will str > dex > vit deal more damage than activating luk switch? (str >dex>luk) KB Mecha here.
Dex > luk > str will be best for just KB/pioneer
Where do you think "AOE damage" enters the equation for Final Damage (e.g. SOE/Unlimited)? Would it be classified under damChangePer(skill multiplier), DamIncrease, or multiplied at the end?
Nah, that's actually same level as skill damage%, it's another layer of damage calculation (not shown here)
At 3:00 in the formula, you have "VIT2" and "VITPer2". What does these two mean? Does they mean, respectively, "VIT x 2" and "VIT Percentage x 2"?
So basically what we need is the atk from equips and aesir and for the stats is luk and dex?
Yoo Cherryyy, is there any chance that you'll post and in depth guide on PVP LB?
안유진 I’ve been playing regretter in pvp but I wanna try playing LB this week, so maybe I’ll make one video after this week’s 6v6 to share my thoughts. But because I don’t have much experience playing LB in this mode (only in pve or gvg) so I may not be very good in it hahaha.
Yow bro cherry. Is it ok if i put 240 total str only. Then max my dex, and put some vit. And the rest is luk? When i got all luk switch nodes in mu aesir. Or just put int for sp and not luk for the damage of revo? Which is better for high dps. And what do you should i focus first in my aesir is it suicidal or luk switch? tia. Im new in LB community. Spare me more knowledge. More power.
For me I would go for Vit+Int for revo damage, for non-revo builds you should increase luk to like 119-135 then the rest you can put Vit for survivability or even some points in Str because for the same points to add the last 10-20 Luk stats to hit 159, you can add a lot in the other stats.
@CherrySmith
Great Video, how does this work with skills, enhancing ATK/DMG eg. Raiders' Song (ATK/DMG% increase), Humming (ATK increase) or Imposito Manus (ATK increase) do these impact the "stronger" ATK parameter the weaker one or both? or completely different? Imposito Manus vs Blessing is such a case where its easy to see but Raiders Song says increase ATK+DMG is this all “equipAtk” ?!
The rule of thumb is the Atk you gain indirectly from adding stats (whether from allocating stat points or adding stats from runes or gears) is weaker. Everything else (raw +xxx atk) from any source (buffs, alloy, runes, gears, etc.) is better than the ones from stats.
Atk% / Dmg% is a separate thing.
So what does this mean, we only put stats on str just to activate the passive of avalanche right? Then focus more on Dex and Vit?
nice contribution to the RO community.Keep doing stuff like this Idol!
Thanks for the support!
is this also true for crit types? because I dump a shit ton of Str rather than Luk
so this work for photon to?
in the woe/woc?
how about "Str" increases "Stun" on the target ? more "Str" more increases the chance of "stun" right?
So wht the best stat for lb?
Can you make an in depth calculation like this for regetter?
would you happen to have the comparison regarding pdi vs melee atk? like 4.0pdi = to melee atk?
effective damage differs depending on the target and your own stats. I can make a video about this but the numbers won’t apply for everyone.
tyvm for the daily wyvern and also this... very iformative :) more power
Can I join the daily whyvern?
follow my facebook page (cherrysmithro) for wyvern timing updates!
@@CherrySmith thanks!
@@CherrySmith are you playing in SEA? I just visited whitebait lake ID 71 at 6.22 am, but I didn't see you. What's your account name?
@@borrish7184 My guildmate Merile is the Wyvern owner. So keep a lookout for her name.
How about sir the "str+1" in aesir runes does it fall in base atk or equip atk?
Str sources from Aesir and Attribute runes increases your baseAtk
If your soulblade which is better str or dex?
So Vagabond * also count as equipatk ? And Do I need to increase str after 240 or change to Luk also ?
Atk% is different and equipAtk is multiplied by Atk%, baseAtk isn't.
If you have Vagabond star, you should increase your Str.
@@CherrySmith LB Knuckle type better use vaga*?
STR = BaseAtk = Normal / Base Damage.
LUK= Skill Damage.
With regards to the video, does it mean that adding Luk doesn't give critical hit? What I mean to say that is there a different slot or method to add for critical damage?
Sir, how about atk and dmg% in handbook ? is that refers to base atk or eq atk? please answer thanks
atk is baseAtk
dmg% is atk% (mistranslated) and is a multiplier of baseAtk
How about the atk stats from headgears and cards; unlock and/or deposit? Does it fall to base atk or equipment atk? Excellent guide. A must like.
Those are treated as EquipAtk as well
@@CherrySmith so the best food for physical dmg is Satisfied Feast for any kind of target(s) no contest?
yeah, that has been my experience but i never tested it in detail though
@@WaterFooLTon2 someone tested it in detail. a monk compared a satisfied feast v.s an ice cream. just search satisfied feast v.s ice cream on yt
Are those calculations from mere observation or are there any reference you've got them from?
Mined from game code, it's available in the unofficial discord channel and Chinese forums.
is this effective for Int switch too ??
Hello Cherry, Amazing video. Can you please investigate and explain the asura Skill mechanics/formula? I will appreciate to see some info like this for asura/water asura
local A = (((AtkFinal * (1 - DamReduc2) + Refine) * (damChangePer + Sp / 100 + RuneDamage + a + b + c + d) + 2500 + 500 * damChangePer1) * (1 + DamIncrease - ShortRangeDamReduc2) * (1 - RefineDamReduc) * GemDam + BaseLvDamage) * potian
potian is the SBDF multiplier in SEA's case it's 95%
@@seiggy245 what is a, b, c and d there? What about gemdam? Finally, does Asura have a reduction from ranged damage? That means if I boost somehow My Ranged damage, I should do better damage?
- a, b, c, d are equipment bonuses like Staunch Ring bonus.
- gemDam is advanced rune
- No reduction from ranged. The ShortRange means melee
- Damage doesn't work that way. Your damage type is based on your weapon melee/range and physical/magic, but how the skill can be reduced depends on the skill formula., like Arm Cannon is melee physical but can be reduced by ranged damage reduction.
@@CherrySmith Amazing, thank You so much
is there an Assassin version of this?
How about those atk you get on enchant, is it considered equip atk?.
Yup, those are equip atk
So the best stats allocation for lb will be luk>dex>vit?? btw nice content
Dex > Luk > then depends on your build.
You don't necessarily need to max Luk but adding least 119 and above would be good
@@CherrySmithty bro :)
How about atk from book deposit? Is it considered as equip or base atk?
equip
backsound soo touching
I believe the sound makes you feel as if we were living a lie this entire time which we all have prior to learning about dex + luk builds. The face when you learn that str for merchant class has been a lie the whole time
cherry....if I syenthesis Saint cape to shinewhole...I can get more damage or atk????
you’ll get slightly more maxhp, which will give you a little bit of attack if you haven’t reached 300k maxhp
so best stat for LB (MR) is full dex, vit-int, and str (just for bonus avalache) ?
Full Dex and Luk(maybe a little bit of str) is best for damage.
full dex, then vit and int is for Revo build as the revo skill damage depends on HP, SP and vit
Even though your Revo damage may be higher if you go for vit-int, your KB/pioneer damage will still lose out to max Luk builds
Just get hp% for enchant for machine revo
Ty bro so much.
No problem
Ty. Quality Content.
Ian Srl thanks for watching
@@CherrySmith tried +15 Greed shirt and somehow its weaker than a +6 saints cape lol. both no enchants. wonder why..
@@iansrl2127 yeah it's possible as I've heard some cases in China server as well. Not too sure what factors will push Saint's Cape to be better than +15 GS because there are tests where +15GS is slightly better. Seems like it's something to explore.
@@CherrySmith yeah earlier i tried greed gave me around 900-1m increase on my kb. Now. Saints is suddenly better under the same testing conditions.
Better focus at ignore def and pen??
I cant figure out whats the problem on my end
I have an spare 75 points for stat allocation, tried comparing the damge out put by adding 2 str (278k dmg output) and 2luk (277.9k)
I cant still figure out what could be the possible flaw with my build.
I dont have a decent garment card yet so i tried a high luk build for mastering card.
what’s your total stat numbers?
@@CherrySmith 145 dex 120 str 101 luk, oh these are just the stats i added, ill check the total later im still away from my computer
336 total str 160 total luk 215 total dex
Hi cam you share your stats build skill and equips
Hmm.. where is penetration here? Isn't it that dmg reduc counters penetration and that pdi is by far the only modifier that has no known counter?
Edit nevermind. Got confused. It was written on the right side.
What about atk in homunculus
how about the refine attack stat? I think its underrated especially if you have high refine weapon and accessories like +10 up
it’s not really that good, you can see in the formula that it’s only added at the end. But because of that it’s not reduced by the different element size and racial reductions too. it’s better for PVP damage
@@CherrySmith would you know if the secret stat or multiplier of +15 weap and accesories are true? how is it calculated. thank you!
@@condoinvestor
There's hidden penetration(mpen too) from refine levels:
Refine < 5 Pen= 0
Refine 5-9 Pen= 0.9%
Refine 10-14 Pen = 1.8%
Refine 15 Pen = 3.6%
This is applicable for weapon and accessories.
@@CherrySmith wow thanks! I thought it was refine atk multipliers lol!
Im really impressed with the whole explanation with these atk stuff. Does this apply to other classes as well or nah?
it applies as well to ranged atk and magic atk
@@CherrySmith So max dex in a ranger adl build is not necessary? Only put enough to activate buffs?
@@davidsonabreudasilva4995 But for ranger you don't have better options other than Dex to increase your atk right? It works for LBs because we have Dex and Luk switches.
@@CherrySmith Ok. So really need to improve atk that came from book :/
Nkakadugo ng ilong idol. sub nko agad haha
Oh man.. Thank u..
You're welcome!
whats in damreduc2 ?
cherryy..mind share ur best stat for ttL
You can go max luk if you have enough HP.
If you want more HP and want to play revo build, then you can spend some stats on Vit and Int.
For adl builds. Do you agree that ignore defense is worthless? What if your opponent has high crit reductions lets say for pvp
i think for adl what we need are physical penetration, crit dmg, and pdi%
@@kadalkobong2800 actually I am a trapper for pve and planning to go sp stellar for pvp since I only need to change my offhand, some cards and headwear. No way am I gonna get high enough crit damage and pdi without compromising my trap damage so I was wondering if ignore defense can be useful in this case
uhmm i don't think ignore def is useful in adl build, cause crit dmg is already ignoring enemies def. cmiiw
I did try using a majestic goat headwear and my white/non crit damage from fear breeze did increase lol. at least that is something
Very good backsound bro
Easy understanding
Can u make another guide?
more guides on the way
@@CherrySmith thx please use this bgm or something confortable like thus
This is applicable for assassin job right?
yup
I don't get it broo, if it's not str, what should we do for get higher dmg?
Luk switch gives more atk I think so more luk is better
@@fayis4everlove well, I'm still job 3, my mecha is agi build for miniboss specialist that's why need str, idk about LB that much
so the point is increase LUK better than STR?
even if you dont have mastering star card?
nope, STR still better.. this build is good if u rich already and have big amount of gold medal.
Yup, max luk for maximum damage, but the equation changes if you have Vagabond star or if you want to focus on revo damage at the expense of Kb/pioneer damage
at this stage of the game, even in global I would say you’re doing something wrong if you don’t have enough gold medals to max your dex and luk switches
Maybe Arif is just playing for only a few weeks on this game.
BTW I agree with this, luk is gives more dmg.
My LB HP is 500k on the field full buffs
excellent video! so just need 240 str to get avalanche buff and then the rest should be go to dex luk and vit, but i think vit its just to get 300k hp fot saint cape and then the rest back to dex and luk i guess? xD i will test it! thank u to share this
Dex definitely need to max 159. For Luk, it may not be worth it to add the last 10-20 Luk to hit 159 as the points can be used to add way more points in other stats. It depends on what build you're going for. For Revo builds you can consider splitting the remnants to Vit/Int
1 sub here..its true and im fucosing on having my attck hb now i have 1.5k they said that i should stop now fucosing on synt and refine if nid +12..is the right thing buy doing it dont save to prontera
Next MAtk please..... spesifically mdmg and healing
Im getting more dmg (KB) when str and luk is balanced.
159 dex , 114str, 113luk
I’ll make another video about stat distribution
So get enough str to activate Doom/Avalanche Bonus
Get all attack nodes in Aesir
Get better Size/Element/Race modifiers from book and card
Get enhance equip gives better overall attack then plain str
Equipment give better overall attack than just plain str
Now I am running little to no str i get better damage
Thanks keep it going been learning here
Well the reason I'm recommending no points in Str because going for Vit/Int is better for overall total damage if you're using your Machine Revo.
But if purely talking about Pioneer/KB damage without considering Revo damage, you may still learn some points in Str above 240 as the last 20-30 points or so you put in Luk to reach from 129/139 to 159 can be used to add about 90 points into Str which may give you overall slightly higher damage compared to 159 Luk
@@CherrySmith noted. Currently running 20str base just to activate doom
I am currently running 159 base dex
would it be better if i spread out vit and int? or luck/5 for the bonus and more vit to reach 300k base hp then int would be better?
What name of the game?
ragnarok m: eternal love
My head hurts hahaha
Im to stupid to understand 😭 i really want u just guide what stats and what equip and where to put runes i play only for 2 months now
Just Keep Searching there's a many full guide in this class and Don't Feel stupid Bro!😊
great advice!
What is revo build sir?
a build that focuses on Machine Revolution damage
@@CherrySmith i still cant get it hahaha. Do you mean when im on madogear form?.
@@CherrySmith or is that a skill?
@@aprilcabrera6036 A Lightbringer skill
@@CherrySmith ohh ty verymuch
damn 47% atk depo
That’s not only from depo, that Dmg%(Atk%) number also includes Atk% from buffs and gears (like +12 rosa, rune boots and ancient cape bonuses)
@@CherrySmith cool cool. so mastering star card > toad star card
Yeah for max damage that would be the case. Mastering adds PDI while Toad Star card adds Atk%(mistranslated as Dmg% in the board)
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@@CherrySmith best reply ever, haaha
this is so true, while equipatk had better increase multiplier for atk, but baseatk is good for high reduction opponent, thats why bash on swordsman is good for pvp, but trash at pve.
Bodyfit Station if Str is used in the skill’s damage formula like Bash, then it’s definitely worth it to add more points to Str but for LB there’s really no need to add more after reaching 240 str, unless you have a vagabond star card
@@CherrySmith its worth but u are gonna having a hard time to increase the damage, because not much multiplier can affect baseatk (PVE), but for pvp its huge, because not much reduction for it
Shit fast forward
This game has been out for two years, isnt this is a basic 101 knowledge?
I’m sure many know about this, but there’s many more who don’t. There’s also way too many misinformation out there. Many resources are also distributed among different discord channels, facebook groups, forums, etc.
Is this build applicable for PVP too?
Yeah, I would recommend full Vit Dex and Luk for PVP rather than Str