Jorge Adrian Hernández The bumpers are mechanical until you push them in to a certain point. This was used for soft-shields(?) in melee, but has no use in smash 4. If you press them all the way they will send a digital signal, but because of the extra push and sort of bad indication, it makes it slightly harder to time. Digital buttons are simply a bit more responsive, especially if the you are doing something reaction based. Bumpers also make it hard to do fast consecutive inputs. I mean, have you tried doing mewtwo footstool -> double jump cancel combos with L or R as your jump button? It's hell! This is why Abadango jumps with Z.
jrnoobzero Currently Shield (L) and Jump (R), but i have looked at a lot of different combos and techs both universal and character specific and tried to create an optimal control scheme that will work well for every character. Still figuring out some details and I have an important tournament tomorrow so I need to stick with what I'm used to for a couple of more days. My new setup will probably have shield or grab (L) and special move (R) with an alternate shield button (B(?)) for when my thumb is not on "busy" to allow for easier techs and perfect shields. Jump will be on Z and maybe Y for easier short hop nairs without losing grip or using diagonal tilt stick. I will try to get used to Z + diagonal tilt stick nairs too, especially if it works with double-sticking. Also still trying to figure out if alt. smash has any effect on c-bouncing. Keep in mind, only the gamecube controller has the issue with mechanical buttons. So if you are using pro controller, you should be fine either way.
the meaning behind the shirt is that in donkey kong country 64 or something the sound that plays when you save is DK saying 'OKAY'. also it looks like one of those 'obey' branded shirts in the logo so i guess that's a joke too. i need that shirt!
Hmmmm...More optimal I say, he's better at conditioning than Will. Similar to comparing Scatt and kameme, they're both godlike but one is more consistent than the other in my opinion.
That's a little too convoluted to argue, generally because consistency just shows a players average performance, but not their potential. Ally isn't as consistent as his Evo performance, but he's still #2 hands down...if you get what I'm saying. In the FGC transitive property doesn't work quite the same. Just because A > B and B > C doesn't mean A > C.
+ATARi the transitive property stuff you just mentioned doesn't apply to what i was saying. You made a comment implying that just because someone is more consistent(performs better consistently) does not mean that person is a better player. I don't find this statement true. For example, let's say Player A manages to get into top 8 in many tournaments, but not get a single tournament win, while let's say Player B wins a couple of tournaments, but doesn't manage to get top 8 in most. I'd say that Player A is the better player, because though Player B did take tournaments, he loses a lot more consistently in most tournaments so Player B's win ratio is still smaller. Again, potential is a whole different story and should not be used to assess a players skill in the present(because "potential" always implies the future) and it was not what i was talking about in the first place.
Hmmm, somewhat I suppose. It's a very difficult decision nonetheless. Again, Ally's best performance was Evo 2016, but he hasn't nearly gotten as many consistent results to solidly aim him at #2 without being on par with other players. As for player performances...I suppose in tourney results you can be superior, but as a player and skill...that has many other factors to be taken into account. Samsora goes to more events than SlayerZ, so does that mean he's light years ahead of SlayerZ? ...Nope...In fact, I still found SlayerZ MUCH harder to play vs than Samsora in our little encounter. But this is what I mean about nothing is consistent in FGC.
People who say slow heavy characters can't fight fast characters, refer them to this video. I almost thought Sammy would bring it back. This was such a good tournament.
Idk much about the Pika/Dong MU, but I feel Esam should've went Samus this whole set based on weight alone. Esam gave DK rage, then died to DK's *as Esam would say* Smash4-factor at 33%! That's BANANAS!!! Samus would have given him longer stocks, racked up percent in advantage state with up-airs because Dong sucks at landing, and out-spaced him with projectiles and Zairs. Plus, Samus was on FIRE from eliminating Ally!...ugh, hope Esam considers it in the future.
Jeremy Jones I see this matchup played at a decently high level in my region because two of the best players around here are Captain L and Konga, and I honestly don't even know who wins the matchup. On one hand, DK can't land for shit and has one of the largest upthrow > thunder windows in the game. On the other, though, Pikachu gets outspaced by DK extremely easily; including by his grab, which is by far DK's scariest tool both for racking up damage and for killing. I could see it being even or 55:45 in either character's favor.
Samus DEFINITELY does better against DK than Pikachu. Pikachu can edgeguard DK but that's about it. Pika's bad range really hurts him here, as he's constantly having to function in DK's grab range. Pika being so small helps get around bair in neutral, but I'd still just go Samus and camp. DK can't deal with projectiles.
Those are pretty much my exact thoughts on the MU. I just didn't assert that Samus or Pika was better in the MU since I personally don't have much experience with any of the 3 characters in question. Samus just appears to be better based on the basic game-plan of each character. DK wants to get in an grab, space his limbs. Pika has to be close-up to reach opponents, then tries to get edge guards. Samus spaces projectiles and forces the opponent into situations with them....so when looking at in layman's terms, lol, Samus just looked good to me. Glad to get some confirmation!
I agree. I secondary DK for some matchups but Samus definitely beats him. It's definitely not as terrible as, say, Toon Link or ZSS, but it can be very difficult to get in or escape pressure against Samus (especially without platforms).
japanese players are really good. I wish they could attend tourneys more often. I love they use so many characters over there and still manage to beat the top players of the west
Hikaru seems cool and I to want to see a heavy character top tier in tournaments and all but not so much with that silly ding dong combo thats ez asf to pull off. Luckily Hikaru does some other stuff
How long are commentators going to say things like "that LOOKED true" about Pikachu's up-throw to down-B combo. It IS true, as ESAM has been telling people for years.
Ugh esam needs to learn his matchups. You're gonna get killed at 60 by literally anything by such a strong/heavy char. Should've stuck with samus for this one
Roman 3MP1R3 Pika/DK isn't free at all. DK has disadvantages, but he also outranges the shit out of Pikachu and can kill him off of grabs ridiculously early. Most DK mains agree that it's +1 for Pikachu at best, which is definitely winnable if DK is playing well or is more familiar with the matchup. I honestly think it might be even.
DK's range advantage isn't terribly helpful when considering the superior spacing utility of Pikachu's fair. Pikachu also happens to be one of the three characters of this game that can genuinely play not to get grabbed; or at least to wait out Ding Dong percents. In theory, Pika wins the MU 70-30 at least because Pika needs to win the neutral but once: 40-50% combo, juggle offstage, keep DK there forever. ESAM's edge guarding is the best in the game, but DK is a character you ledge trap, at least with characters that can prevent him from landing (and can therefore noncommitally cover jump). But of course, as with all of Pika's MUs, it's all so easy on paper. In practice, you drop a juggle, somehow get grabbed at 60%, and die.
I mean, any matchup sounds really hard on paper if the other person's strategy is just "never get punished" and they're actually good at doing that. DK struggles hardest against characters who can zone and juggle him easily (especially characters whose juggle moves can also kill). Toon Link is considered his hardest matchup because he's good at zoning and his weight/fall speed make him the hardest character to kill with ding dong; it's a true combo at kill percents for like a 4% range iirc. Add in the fact that DK has to account for his own rage and that Toon Link can use bombs to put himself out of ding dong range and you've got one of the few characters that utterly invalidates DK's best tool. And even that matchup is "only" 65:35 or 70:30 at worst.
DK up throw to up air combo should be nerfed. This tournament really says it all. Hikaru only killed with that single move, with only like a couple exceptions out of the 100+ stocks he's taken at this tournament.
TheLavaCrafter well if you were to buff anything you would have to take away his up throw up air combo, or else he'd be completely broken, you can't have a heavy character that racks up damage quickly and can kill off of a throw at 60.
KJ Corp yeah, idk what you call a step brother that you arent step brothers with anynore because of a divorce, but ive actually lived with and had to help deal with a retarded brother... He just had a stuttering problem, and for whatever reason couldnt count.. He was about 8 i believe.
actually its just when a chubby/stocky bald guy does it, seen many a skinny kid with bald hair and skinny jeans that werent skin heads that worked out fine.
I wish more players could be as happy and nice as Hikaru is when playing. He looks like he's genuinely having a good time playing smash.
ZeeJayBay probably because bayo is cancer, and dk is uncommon af, and hella hype. also everyone loves the Japanese players
Johan Bayo isn't cancer. Give me 5 reasons why she is.
Hickaru seems very hypocrite when he smiles idk why i feel that
Do you even know what hypocrite means...?
Ghost Fart - Might be autocorrect.
回避読みでリフコンを決められたときに拍手するESAM好き
Hikaru, Fatality, T, and Esam
The kings of Civil War as far as I'm concerned.
2glistenin maybe Locus too and Komo in crew battlw
Locus definitely deserves to be on that list. Sending both Nairo and Ally to losers is crazy.
That entire tournament was insane though.
lordofthewog luithe?
I exist because. Luithi gave everyone else a chance to win the tournament by eli zero...
jrnoobzero nah he beat ZeRo and then got 3-0d by Fow
Part of the reason why HIKARU is so good at teching, is that he uses a digital button (Y) to shield instead of the bumbers. Really recommend it.
Matias Uppstad whats the difference?
Jorge Adrian Hernández The bumpers are mechanical until you push them in to a certain point. This was used for soft-shields(?) in melee, but has no use in smash 4. If you press them all the way they will send a digital signal, but because of the extra push and sort of bad indication, it makes it slightly harder to time. Digital buttons are simply a bit more responsive, especially if the you are doing something reaction based. Bumpers also make it hard to do fast consecutive inputs. I mean, have you tried doing mewtwo footstool -> double jump cancel combos with L or R as your jump button? It's hell! This is why Abadango jumps with Z.
Matias Uppstad now i gonna try to shield with X
So what inputs you guys have on the bumpers?
jrnoobzero Currently Shield (L) and Jump (R), but i have looked at a lot of different combos and techs both universal and character specific and tried to create an optimal control scheme that will work well for every character. Still figuring out some details and I have an important tournament tomorrow so I need to stick with what I'm used to for a couple of more days. My new setup will probably have shield or grab (L) and special move (R) with an alternate shield button (B(?)) for when my thumb is not on "busy" to allow for easier techs and perfect shields. Jump will be on Z and maybe Y for easier short hop nairs without losing grip or using diagonal tilt stick. I will try to get used to Z + diagonal tilt stick nairs too, especially if it works with double-sticking. Also still trying to figure out if alt. smash has any effect on c-bouncing.
Keep in mind, only the gamecube controller has the issue with mechanical buttons. So if you are using pro controller, you should be fine either way.
ひかるの愛想笑いからの真顔に笑う
8:22. so sick
ひかるさんマジですごい
人としてもゴリラとしても
Esam is such a good sport. And so happy to see Hikaru place to high. Wouldn't mind seeing a rematch
the meaning behind the shirt is that in donkey kong country 64 or something the sound that plays when you save is DK saying 'OKAY'. also it looks like one of those 'obey' branded shirts in the logo so i guess that's a joke too. i need that shirt!
@spifspace made it
thanks!
Thank you! I've been waiting for this one!!
8:23 was siiiick
"Yeah he [Hikaru] is in a bad spot right now! Trying to get stage control - oh he's dead" so perfect
as a Dk main myself, it satisfies me to see esam get bodied by just Dk #BlackDong=BestDong
Chubbs Mclovin as a samus main I still enjoyed seeing hikaru destroy folks in this tournament
BBC
I believe you mean #HarambeDong.
Alexander Barker 👌
Alexander Barker I believe you mean #deadmemeDong
that regrab was so hype when you watched it live
The "Okay" comes from DK 64 when you start up the game and DK says that.
6:31 that reverse up b to avoid pikachus Nair was genius
Esam was doing quite well with Samus there in the last match! It is unfortunate that he lost. Dat DK Punch.
I feel like I would be more mad about this if Hikaru wasn't so frickin adorable
6:53かわいいｗｗｗ
ESAMの負けた時も笑顔なの好き。
SPは早すぎるからfor見ると見やすくて良いな。
So apparently back air tech chase dong punch is a thing
back air tech chase has always been a thing with every character
Hikaru was making waves at this tournament lol good stuff
1:22 what was that, a wave dash? I've never seen that before.
Aflay That's a crouching perfect pivot. ESAM plays with Bidou, making complicated and complex tech such ad that easier to perform.
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH NOH! THE BANANA SLAMMA! HE GAVE HIM THE BANANA SLAMMA!
That regrab was godlike
リフコンえぐいww
Hikaru is better than DK Will.
Hmmmm...More optimal I say, he's better at conditioning than Will. Similar to comparing Scatt and kameme, they're both godlike but one is more consistent than the other in my opinion.
+ATARi lol, but I would say that the more consistent person is the better player. There isn't really any sugar coating you can say about that.
That's a little too convoluted to argue, generally because consistency just shows a players average performance, but not their potential. Ally isn't as consistent as his Evo performance, but he's still #2 hands down...if you get what I'm saying. In the FGC transitive property doesn't work quite the same. Just because A > B and B > C doesn't mean A > C.
+ATARi the transitive property stuff you just mentioned doesn't apply to what i was saying. You made a comment implying that just because someone is more consistent(performs better consistently) does not mean that person is a better player. I don't find this statement true.
For example, let's say Player A manages to get into top 8 in many tournaments, but not get a single tournament win, while let's say Player B wins a couple of tournaments, but doesn't manage to get top 8 in most. I'd say that Player A is the better player, because though Player B did take tournaments, he loses a lot more consistently in most tournaments so Player B's win ratio is still smaller. Again, potential is a whole different story and should not be used to assess a players skill in the present(because "potential" always implies the future) and it was not what i was talking about in the first place.
Hmmm, somewhat I suppose. It's a very difficult decision nonetheless. Again, Ally's best performance was Evo 2016, but he hasn't nearly gotten as many consistent results to solidly aim him at #2 without being on par with other players. As for player performances...I suppose in tourney results you can be superior, but as a player and skill...that has many other factors to be taken into account.
Samsora goes to more events than SlayerZ, so does that mean he's light years ahead of SlayerZ? ...Nope...In fact, I still found SlayerZ MUCH harder to play vs than Samsora in our little encounter. But this is what I mean about nothing is consistent in FGC.
ESAM is such a good sport.
2:08 start
Watching my two favorites go at it is amazing. Great games.
starts at 2:09
Good lord, HIKARU is actually the living embodiment of the Dong himself.
hikaru is a beast that was cool as fck. that pikachu regrab was great but and bringing back that samus match i respect that.#god from another land
How do they not recognize the N64 DK...OKAAAYYYYYYY~
I feel like Hikaru should've stuck it out with DK when he was going against dabuz
weird girl pretty sure he gave up
8:23 ！？
In ESAM's wrap-up video, I understood that Hikaru bodied him. But actually ESAM played well this set
i there is a player named hikaru, is there a player named hotaru?
People who say slow heavy characters can't fight fast characters, refer them to this video.
I almost thought Sammy would bring it back. This was such a good tournament.
*Best set so far*
This was heartbreaking for Team Esam. That being said, Hikaru's matches after this were all hype af.
Idk much about the Pika/Dong MU, but I feel Esam should've went Samus this whole set based on weight alone. Esam gave DK rage, then died to DK's *as Esam would say* Smash4-factor at 33%! That's BANANAS!!!
Samus would have given him longer stocks, racked up percent in advantage state with up-airs because Dong sucks at landing, and out-spaced him with projectiles and Zairs. Plus, Samus was on FIRE from eliminating Ally!...ugh, hope Esam considers it in the future.
Jeremy Jones I see this matchup played at a decently high level in my region because two of the best players around here are Captain L and Konga, and I honestly don't even know who wins the matchup.
On one hand, DK can't land for shit and has one of the largest upthrow > thunder windows in the game. On the other, though, Pikachu gets outspaced by DK extremely easily; including by his grab, which is by far DK's scariest tool both for racking up damage and for killing. I could see it being even or 55:45 in either character's favor.
Samus DEFINITELY does better against DK than Pikachu. Pikachu can edgeguard DK but that's about it. Pika's bad range really hurts him here, as he's constantly having to function in DK's grab range. Pika being so small helps get around bair in neutral, but I'd still just go Samus and camp. DK can't deal with projectiles.
Those are pretty much my exact thoughts on the MU. I just didn't assert that Samus or Pika was better in the MU since I personally don't have much experience with any of the 3 characters in question. Samus just appears to be better based on the basic game-plan of each character. DK wants to get in an grab, space his limbs. Pika has to be close-up to reach opponents, then tries to get edge guards. Samus spaces projectiles and forces the opponent into situations with them....so when looking at in layman's terms, lol, Samus just looked good to me. Glad to get some confirmation!
I agree. I secondary DK for some matchups but Samus definitely beats him. It's definitely not as terrible as, say, Toon Link or ZSS, but it can be very difficult to get in or escape pressure against Samus (especially without platforms).
The shirt is referencing DK64
4:58 htf did that up tilt connect
三戦目の回避読みリフコンのとこ脳汁やばそう
Still my all-time favorite set!
Even though im trash at smash 4, i main donkey kong and this made me super excited :)
Wow what fun personalities lol. Hikaru has definitely made an impression!
japanese players are really good. I wish they could attend tourneys more often. I love they use so many characters over there and still manage to beat the top players of the west
That last kill is the reason why I feel DK mains should do math. A fully charged DK Punch is weaker than the 10-8 wind punch.
Not in knockback?
Weaker in terms of knock back.
holy shit why is there a caveman sitting next to esam?
8:27 Esam opening his mouth and accepting the dong.
戦場のピカチュウ2ストック目のバースト「うーまw」ってなった
one of the best sets ever
7:59
11:30
8:23
Memories of Captain L vs Nurse.
Hikaru seems cool and I to want to see a heavy character top tier in tournaments and all but not so much with that silly ding dong combo thats ez asf to pull off. Luckily Hikaru does some other stuff
Watching Hikaru is good for the heart
When the japanese people do the "peace" sign, it actually means "V" as in victory.
They're both such good sports :D
Just think about how many ding dongs he had to do to to get into top 8.
When japanese people hold up the peace sign it is actually supposed to be a v for victory
Esam have good sportsmanship!
Maybe I should take notes from Esam
A Tactician named Lucky Pikachu I secondary samus and I take notes from him
Kinda annoyed that the commentators couldnt get the DK64 refrence from Hikaru's sweater.
Can I adopt Hikaru? He's so fucking adorable man.
hehe during tokaigi friendlies ESAM got 2 stocked with absolutely no ding dongs
How long are commentators going to say things like "that LOOKED true" about Pikachu's up-throw to down-B combo. It IS true, as ESAM has been telling people for years.
Joshua Johnston He said that about Dthrow down b
Johan That's true too, unless enemy DI's away.
Down throw is a DI mixup because DI'ing toward center stage is a common habit when people get grabbed at the ledge.
Regardless, if Esam gets a throw into a thunder and it looks true, that's probably because It's true.
omg the platform drop donkey punch thooo
Hikaruのピース好きww
ヒカル神
how could he be savage and beat someone with cancer
Hikaru is so fucking good at the game.
Peace sign is a v for victory in japan
Esam got this but he sleep on Hikaru after the spike on the final game.
I have that shirt
xD
Of all the professional gamers, smash players by far look the nerdiest.
Not a peace sign my friends. In Asian countries its "V" for victory.
Ugh esam needs to learn his matchups. You're gonna get killed at 60 by literally anything by such a strong/heavy char. Should've stuck with samus for this one
Joel Warzecha ESAM knows the MU, but Hikaru just outplayed him.
Poor ESAM. After he beat Ally too. That was rough.
Dong
Ho lee crapp
both MU's were so free for ESAM how did he lose lol
Roman 3MP1R3 Pika/DK isn't free at all. DK has disadvantages, but he also outranges the shit out of Pikachu and can kill him off of grabs ridiculously early. Most DK mains agree that it's +1 for Pikachu at best, which is definitely winnable if DK is playing well or is more familiar with the matchup. I honestly think it might be even.
DK's range advantage isn't terribly helpful when considering the superior spacing utility of Pikachu's fair. Pikachu also happens to be one of the three characters of this game that can genuinely play not to get grabbed; or at least to wait out Ding Dong percents.
In theory, Pika wins the MU 70-30 at least because Pika needs to win the neutral but once: 40-50% combo, juggle offstage, keep DK there forever. ESAM's edge guarding is the best in the game, but DK is a character you ledge trap, at least with characters that can prevent him from landing (and can therefore noncommitally cover jump).
But of course, as with all of Pika's MUs, it's all so easy on paper. In practice, you drop a juggle, somehow get grabbed at 60%, and die.
that's basically every MU vs DK lol
"You win in theory, but theory doesn't prepare your anus for the Dong."
I mean, any matchup sounds really hard on paper if the other person's strategy is just "never get punished" and they're actually good at doing that.
DK struggles hardest against characters who can zone and juggle him easily (especially characters whose juggle moves can also kill). Toon Link is considered his hardest matchup because he's good at zoning and his weight/fall speed make him the hardest character to kill with ding dong; it's a true combo at kill percents for like a 4% range iirc. Add in the fact that DK has to account for his own rage and that Toon Link can use bombs to put himself out of ding dong range and you've got one of the few characters that utterly invalidates DK's best tool. And even that matchup is "only" 65:35 or 70:30 at worst.
Guys... I found the devil. This video has 666 likes. If you see this from the future don't have a negative reply.
bunny hop what?
Sidney Hinds when I watched this yesterday it 666 likes.
bunny hop but what do you mean don't have a negative reply?
The shirt was being sold there....whhhyyyyyyyy
DK up throw to up air combo should be nerfed. This tournament really says it all. Hikaru only killed with that single move, with only like a couple exceptions out of the 100+ stocks he's taken at this tournament.
Grant the Dragon no.
DJ Serpent yes
+DJ Serpent Someone doesn't understand satire.
TheLavaCrafter well if you were to buff anything you would have to take away his up throw up air combo, or else he'd be completely broken, you can't have a heavy character that racks up damage quickly and can kill off of a throw at 60.
depends how they buff him, also it isn't so free, Hikaru just knew exactly when to do them with those excellent read pivot grabs.
Ok esam got bodied god damn
KJ Corp the fuck? Did you watch this video? Hahaha the DK got bodied the fuck up. Got mad. Grabbed the Pikachu, and won. Lolololol
KJ Corp were we watching the same video?
yes we did, airdodge and roll reads were clean af. Dk getting juggled is just normal stuff gtfo jim
KJ Corp yeah, idk what you call a step brother that you arent step brothers with anynore because of a divorce, but ive actually lived with and had to help deal with a retarded brother... He just had a stuttering problem, and for whatever reason couldnt count.. He was about 8 i believe.
true, though he was finished off brutally.
Bald dudes and skinny jeans just don't work, dude looks like his pants are blowing a bubble
people can wear whatever tf they want
I'm sorry bout ur bubble head, dude
2GG strides He's didn't say he couldn't wear them, he said they don't go well together
Which is true
actually its just when a chubby/stocky bald guy does it, seen many a skinny kid with bald hair and skinny jeans that werent skin heads that worked out fine.
Esam looks stupid claping , just trying to hide his saltines
Exactly, He got memed on and couldnt hide it
Esam just loves the game. Anything that is hype he likes; even if it means he loses.
8:22