We run two cross connected sea chests which work well. Several builders (including, I'm told, Fedship) will now extend the top of the sea chest above the water line for full access even on the water.
Aluminium work hardens/ age hardens. If you need to bend aluminium without cracking it, obtain the cheapest hard white soap and scribble with it on one side of the aluminium. (used as a temperature indicator) On the other side, heat up the aluminium with a blow torch until the soap turns brown, then quench the aluminium. This will aneal the Aluminium allowing it to be bent without cracking. I feel for you and the aluminium rot.
I liked the blue 🤣🤣🤣 I worked at the Alcan smelter in Kitimat for a few years. Company colors were blue and white with a sort of light green strip. The boat that went to Kemano was a 78 foot aluminum craft painted blue and white so I guess I was getting a bit nostalgic.
For welding in the area of your gasoline tanks, if you open the tank and fill all the air space with shielding gas from your welder then close it back up you can weld all you want with no fires or explosions... supposedly... No oxygen = no fire. I wouldn't trust it personally but I have witnessed a guy weld up a pinhole in a car gas tank using that method and it worked for him
Definitely not for me. Welding near any fuel tank terrifies me. When we used to work on yachts we had a guy come in to do a tank repair and he did just that. Worked like a charm. It was a diesel tank though, not gasoline. Blaine
Get yourselves a C02 fire extinguisher. They work really well for stuff you don't want that powder all over. We keep them in electrical rooms here. And the powder does not gum up the extinguisher valve. Ie they are *not* 1 time use. Just be careful in confined spaces and using large amounts of CO2...
The powder was definitely messy. Took a bit of time to clean it all out. Our main large extinguishers are CO2. We will likely look into some hand extinguishers for that as well. Unfortunately all spaces on a boat are confined so CO2 is a bit scary. Blaine
Definitely would have worked quicker. We found out later that it was actually fairly labour intensive to get the heavier grinding scratches out of the aluminum afterwards. We do eventually want to get the hull taken up to a finer grit. Not polished but uniform anyway. Blaine
Better you than me! I put two USN destroyers through overhaul/dry-dock periods. And then COMPOUNDED my stupidity by working for a civilian yard. The USN will have an entire department to standing firewatch.... P.S the bigger of two destroyers was 596 feet long! A coat of paint took THREE WEEKS with four people SPRAYING!
@OnboardTangaroaSeatrial if you just measure length times width (596x 55ft beam, width which accounts for curves and dead-rise on the hull) gives you something like 32,780 Sq feet. Two coats red lead, a coat of epoxy primer, two (or three, cannot remember) coats of anti-fouling paint (you do NOT want to know what USN pays for that!).
Like the job you are doing, that boat has great lines . As for bottom paint, sailboats will often alternate paint colours ( grey, red, green, black, etc...) in any order and the reason is so they know how much paint is left before next repaint,
This is after the fact but suggest you check out Element fire extinguishers. They are really effective (personal experience) and leave no residue or toxic fumes and are light and quickly deployable. There are various YT postings. That said, they're single-use and not yet Transport Canada approved, which means you need to keep conventional extinguishers aboard for inspection. I keep them on standby in my home and cars. Best wishes and HNY from Nanaimo.
I bet since you guys did all this work on the hull it's a great piece of mind knowing a hole isn't going to magically appear through the hull. I'd say your hull is the most important part of the boat next to the engine. 😋
Great job you guys! 🎉 I was thinking. 🤔 That aft platform with the anchor well and the two build in gasoline tanks, on each end, yeah? On your next haul-out. Why not cut that platform completely off? Using a cutting disk or saws all. Something thats non flammable. Then you can design a new platform and build it when funds are available.
That's is our swim and boarding platform so I don't think we will do anything with it. The two tanks are pretty much just additional aft floatation now and will sit unused. Blaine
So of course I have a PPK ( powder) fire extinguisher in my airplane.... if a fire doesn't destroy the plane, the fire extinguisher will. Probably going to put in a tremendously expensive Halon fire extinguisher.
Our main engine room extinguishers are CO2 but the handies are all powder. We are looking into some better options. Definitely would have been nice to have something like a CO2 for the fire watch. Blaine
We have thought about it at times. It is a very large expense and honestly, the boat maneuvers with the engines quite well and Janis and I have a lot of experience working dock lines to assist in docking and such. We don't go to the dock often but we haven't had any issues in 5 years. It's more of a nice to have vs a requirement for us and just hasn't justified the expense yet. Blaine Blaine
For the welding in this video I was using a Miller Dynasty 200. It is what I use at my shop and I just packed it up and brought it to the yard when I needed it. I now have a Miller Multimatic 220 AC/DC that lives permanently on the boat. It works quite well too but does not have a water cooler for the torch. I am planning to get a spoolgun in the future for it as well. Blaine
Hi.If you would be able to remove the previous epoxy down to bare hull,would you still epoxy fill the hull or just use primar and antifoul,there are two different camps
Haha when Blaine showed the water coming out of the hull and Janis started laughing, then she TASTED it herself to confirm salt water, I laughed so hard. Janis, you're a heck of a woman and Blaine, you're a lucky man to have a partner like that.
Blaine did you guys ever remove the gas that was in the back of the boat? I kind of remember a video of it. Probly good to get rid of that I would think?
If you are not using the gas tanks why are you not emptying them and water wash them a couple times and if you are welding near them fill them with water when you are welding near them.
That is a good idea. They are empty now and well ventilated. Unfortunately we have so many projects on the go that some get delayed. We didn't end up getting these emptied for quite some time. Blaine
Oh, they definitely need them. We have several large anodes welded onto the hull in multiple places as well as the typical shaft and rudder anodes. They may just not show in this video. I also have a guage to measure galvanic potential on the hull that I monitor regularly. Blaine
I see that you are struggling with wind problems when welding. At the risk of teaching grandmother to suck eggs I assume that you know that you can weld aluminum with oxi/acetylene. This is how I learned before the days of tig and mig. The trick is using the correct rods which have to be compatible with the base alloy. We use to get around this by using an off cut of the base material plus it solved the wind problem.
They taught us oxy welding in when I was in school for aircraft maintenance. Its been a looooong time since I touched that stuff. I am pretty spoiled with the tig stuff. Blaine
This is no where near as bad as it could be. When I saw your first video on the boat I said about them turning into cheese. I had nightmares of how much work you would have to do. It's certainly a lot of work, but it could have been even more.
It really isn't terrible. Under the deck was tragic in places but the hull is actually in pretty decent shape. It's accessible pretty much everywhere on the interior for inspection and I typically keep the bilges completely dry. Blaine
The boat didn't come with an anchor and we have one designed for that pocket. We may build a Bulwaga or put a Bulwaga on our bow and use the bow anchor as the stern anchor. We are still discussing it. As for the gas - we didn't have time to remove it in this boatyard trip but it does come out in the future - you'll see in another video. Right now those tanks are empty. Thanks for the comment. Janis
Why not combine unuse gas tanks and stern anchor compartment into a storage locker. U dont' really need that rear anchor set up. Probably will never use.
Not really sure what we will end up doing with them. For now they will just stay as additional floatation in the rear. We have never used the rear anchor setup as it has never had an anchor since we bought the boat but we do like the idea of it. We have tons of storage onboard so we will likely just leave it as-is for now. Blaine
The Steamship inspection which you guys dont have to have as you are a pleasure craft. The regulations got changed many years ago made "doubler" plates not allowed. If your vessel has patches welded over the original hull plating. It has to be removed the damaged hull plating removed and replaced. This regulation has taken quite a few vessels out of commercial service. Its cost the owner thousand to 10s of thousands to do the work to bring the vessel up to standards or scrap the boat. They can re-register the boat as a pleasure craft. They can continue to use the boat but not for commercial use. If the coast guard catches you using it for commercial use you are in deep sh*t. I can imagine getting the layers of old antifoul and barrier coat off was a pain in the a**. A sand blast the sand would bounce off of ablative paint. It was good you plugged up old thru hulls. Finding that corroded hole even better. How many owners did Tangaroa have over the years it almost seems like she sat for many years and neglected.
Definitely the better way to do it. I hate patches. It's just masking the problem on aluminum and causes more problems in the future. My motto is "fix the cause of the problem as well as the problem."
The red bottompaint was probably an etching wash primer containing Chrome-6. The use is widely forbidden in the 90‘s. Tha dust can cause the rash you had. It was very wise to use good masks, the dust can cause all kinds of sicknesses, one of which is cancer. Be varefull with this stuff!
While we are bad with wearing masks sometimes this project was definitely one of those "masks every time" projects. Some of that stuff was pretty nasty. It very well could have been that stuff. Blaine
I’ve tried to watch your channel a couple times but each time I have to change channels because I can’t stand listening to your wife blather on. Here i go again.
This makes zero sense... why are you watching then? Just don't watch then. This gets dumbest comment of the year for me so far. Congrats @jimcongdon8191!
Bro stupid and cruel comment .I suggest you lack the people skills to understand the nuance of their life journey. The came to a decision to change their way of life mainly to relieve pressure so his wife could recover from severe ptsd. Blane is unwavering in his practical support for his wife and family .she is quirky for sure most people with ptsd are .but she's now having fun exploring a new way of life that that will allow the ptsd a distant memory .she is intensely interested in every aspect of the refurbished and contributes really logical and insightful insights to contribute to solving problems at hand .and as for work I am in awe at her commitment tenacity in that respect .so that's some of what's really going on here .lighten up there is no such thing as perfection with us humans .but these guys are about as close as it gets .
@@andresenmarc I've had to point this problem out to him as well I suspect it's a personal problem with him 😉. Though I've also encountered a few that cannot cope with two people speaking together or even low level background music .... Clue it's not always heating related.🤷🏻🧙🏼♂️
OUTSTANDING! great job. That will last anotner 50 years.
We run two cross connected sea chests which work well. Several builders (including, I'm told, Fedship) will now extend the top of the sea chest above the water line for full access even on the water.
I have debated doing this many times. It could very well be on the list for the future. I very much like the theory behind it.
Blaine
Looks great the red strip really makes it. Nice job
Thanks! We love it.
Blaine
Aluminium work hardens/ age hardens. If you need to bend aluminium without cracking it, obtain the cheapest hard white soap and scribble with it on one side of the aluminium. (used as a temperature indicator) On the other side, heat up the aluminium with a blow torch until the soap turns brown, then quench the aluminium. This will aneal the Aluminium allowing it to be bent without cracking.
I feel for you and the aluminium rot.
Thanks for the tip! I am certain I will use that al some point in the future.
Blaine
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I liked the blue 🤣🤣🤣
I worked at the Alcan smelter in Kitimat for a few years. Company colors were blue and white with a sort of light green strip. The boat that went to Kemano was a 78 foot aluminum craft painted blue and white so I guess I was getting a bit nostalgic.
Lol, maybe a bit of nostalgia. I suppose we like this color scheme because its a bit different than typical.
Blaine
I really like that camera shot at 35:11. Big powerful and majestic!
She is a big girl when she is out of the water. When you see her in the water it's hard to imagine how much boat is under the water.
Blaine
What a beautiful aluminum boat and what a great project. It's fun to watch you all bring her back from all of the neglect!
Thanks! Glad you like the videos. Tons more to come.
Blaine
For welding in the area of your gasoline tanks, if you open the tank and fill all the air space with shielding gas from your welder then close it back up you can weld all you want with no fires or explosions... supposedly... No oxygen = no fire. I wouldn't trust it personally but I have witnessed a guy weld up a pinhole in a car gas tank using that method and it worked for him
Definitely not for me. Welding near any fuel tank terrifies me. When we used to work on yachts we had a guy come in to do a tank repair and he did just that. Worked like a charm. It was a diesel tank though, not gasoline.
Blaine
Get yourselves a C02 fire extinguisher.
They work really well for stuff you don't want that powder all over.
We keep them in electrical rooms here. And the powder does not gum up the extinguisher valve. Ie they are *not* 1 time use.
Just be careful in confined spaces and using large amounts of CO2...
The powder was definitely messy. Took a bit of time to clean it all out. Our main large extinguishers are CO2. We will likely look into some hand extinguishers for that as well. Unfortunately all spaces on a boat are confined so CO2 is a bit scary.
Blaine
i would have tried a 36 grit disc, but you got it off. good work, hard job,
Definitely would have worked quicker. We found out later that it was actually fairly labour intensive to get the heavier grinding scratches out of the aluminum afterwards. We do eventually want to get the hull taken up to a finer grit. Not polished but uniform anyway.
Blaine
@@OnboardTangaroaSeatrial i understand, 36g would make a few scratches
Just a few. 😁
I know i say it in every comment, but that boat has amazing lines. What a find you two.
Thanks! We do love the lines and we are trying our best to not disturb them.
Blaine
Wow, a lot of work.. but it seemed to pay off. A Very Happy New Year to ya'll. Looking forward to more! A bit scary on the fire, but handled.
Happy New Year! It was definitely an effort but we are happy with the results. The fire was definitely a pucker moment. 😂
Blaine
It's a lot easier to mig weld your hull as you get less distortion than with tig tig is just too hot.
Better you than me! I put two USN destroyers through overhaul/dry-dock periods. And then COMPOUNDED my stupidity by working for a civilian yard.
The USN will have an entire department to standing firewatch....
P.S the bigger of two destroyers was 596 feet long! A coat of paint took THREE WEEKS with four people SPRAYING!
That sounds brutal! so much surface area!
Blaine
i painted my house with an airless sprayer, i was super fast, compared a to brush/roller. but 596f, thats a lot.
@OnboardTangaroaSeatrial if you just measure length times width (596x 55ft beam, width which accounts for curves and dead-rise on the hull) gives you something like 32,780 Sq feet. Two coats red lead, a coat of epoxy primer, two (or three, cannot remember) coats of anti-fouling paint (you do NOT want to know what USN pays for that!).
Lol, more than I can afford.
Thanks!
Happy to share!
Blaine
Great job Josh. Smart to have a fire watch.
He is very good under pressure. We are proud of him.
Blaine
Like the job you are doing, that boat has great lines . As for bottom paint, sailboats will often alternate paint colours ( grey, red, green, black, etc...) in any order and the reason is so they know how much paint is left before next repaint,
Thanks! Definitely a good idea to be able to keep track of bottom paint wear. Always good to catch it before its gone.
Blaine
This is after the fact but suggest you check out Element fire extinguishers. They are really effective (personal experience) and leave no residue or toxic fumes and are light and quickly deployable. There are various YT postings. That said, they're single-use and not yet Transport Canada approved, which means you need to keep conventional extinguishers aboard for inspection. I keep them on standby in my home and cars. Best wishes and HNY from Nanaimo.
Thanks for the tip! Will have to check them out for sure. Cleaning up nasty powder is no fun and CO2 can be dangerous in confined spaces.
Blaine
I bet since you guys did all this work on the hull it's a great piece of mind knowing a hole isn't going to magically appear through the hull. I'd say your hull is the most important part of the boat next to the engine. 😋
That was the main reason we tackled all of this first. Making sure the boat doesn't sink is priority one! 😂
Blaine
Looks good great color combo
Thanks! We love the colors as well.
Blaine
Great job you guys! 🎉
I was thinking. 🤔 That aft platform with the anchor well and the two build in gasoline tanks, on each end, yeah?
On your next haul-out. Why not cut that platform completely off? Using a cutting disk or saws all. Something thats non flammable.
Then you can design a new platform and build it when funds are available.
That's is our swim and boarding platform so I don't think we will do anything with it. The two tanks are pretty much just additional aft floatation now and will sit unused.
Blaine
Wow amazing job
Thanks!
Blaine
Would have been nice and cleaner to have a CO2 extinguisher for emergency fire watch.
Yeah, not only caustic on aluminum, but really will destroy electronics And screw up electrical contacts and connection
So of course I have a PPK ( powder) fire extinguisher in my airplane.... if a fire doesn't destroy the plane, the fire extinguisher will. Probably going to put in a tremendously expensive Halon fire extinguisher.
Our main engine room extinguishers are CO2 but the handies are all powder. We are looking into some better options. Definitely would have been nice to have something like a CO2 for the fire watch.
Blaine
Did the thought of a Bow Thruster come to mind? Just a thought. Jim Rio Vista, CA
We have thought about it at times. It is a very large expense and honestly, the boat maneuvers with the engines quite well and Janis and I have a lot of experience working dock lines to assist in docking and such. We don't go to the dock often but we haven't had any issues in 5 years. It's more of a nice to have vs a requirement for us and just hasn't justified the expense yet.
Blaine
Blaine
Looks great. Thanks for the update. Take care, and have a fantastic 2025
Thanks! Happy new year!
Nicely done.
Happy New Year 🎉
Thanks! Happy New Year to you and yours as well!
I’m curious on the welder your running?
For the welding in this video I was using a Miller Dynasty 200. It is what I use at my shop and I just packed it up and brought it to the yard when I needed it. I now have a Miller Multimatic 220 AC/DC that lives permanently on the boat. It works quite well too but does not have a water cooler for the torch. I am planning to get a spoolgun in the future for it as well.
Blaine
Hi.If you would be able to remove the previous epoxy down to bare hull,would you still epoxy fill the hull or just use primar and antifoul,there are two different camps
Personally, we would always epoxy barrier coat. Just something to seal up the hull well.
Blaine
Haha when Blaine showed the water coming out of the hull and Janis started laughing, then she TASTED it herself to confirm salt water, I laughed so hard. Janis, you're a heck of a woman and Blaine, you're a lucky man to have a partner like that.
Lol, yes, I am very lucky. We definitely work well together. She is pretty amazing.
Blaine
Blaine did you guys ever remove the gas that was in the back of the boat? I kind of remember a video of it. Probly good to get rid of that I would think?
We did get rid of it on the last yard visit. That project was long overdue.
If you are not using the gas tanks why are you not emptying them and water wash them a couple times and if you are welding near them fill them with water when you are welding near them.
That is a good idea. They are empty now and well ventilated. Unfortunately we have so many projects on the go that some get delayed. We didn't end up getting these emptied for quite some time.
Blaine
Don’t forget test before putting in the water
We always check everything while we are still in the slings in the water. If there is ever a leak we just have them lift us back up.
Blaine
Don't ships have sacrificial anodes bolted onto them? Do aluminum ships not need that?
Oh, they definitely need them. We have several large anodes welded onto the hull in multiple places as well as the typical shaft and rudder anodes. They may just not show in this video. I also have a guage to measure galvanic potential on the hull that I monitor regularly.
Blaine
I see that you are struggling with wind problems when welding. At the risk of teaching grandmother to suck eggs I assume that you know that you can weld aluminum with oxi/acetylene. This is how I learned before the days of tig and mig. The trick is using the correct rods which have to be compatible with the base alloy. We use to get around this by using an off cut of the base material plus it solved the wind problem.
They taught us oxy welding in when I was in school for aircraft maintenance. Its been a looooong time since I touched that stuff. I am pretty spoiled with the tig stuff.
Blaine
This is no where near as bad as it could be. When I saw your first video on the boat I said about them turning into cheese. I had nightmares of how much work you would have to do. It's certainly a lot of work, but it could have been even more.
It really isn't terrible. Under the deck was tragic in places but the hull is actually in pretty decent shape. It's accessible pretty much everywhere on the interior for inspection and I typically keep the bilges completely dry.
Blaine
@OnboardTangaroaSeatrial yeah. I was expecting to see it turn to powder in places. But 90%+ of it is all surface rust? Corrosion.
Pretty much all poultice corrosion from the paint. Very little filiform corrosion. There is the odd spot but completely maneagable.
Blaine
Why remove the useful anchor instead of the unused gasoline?
The boat didn't come with an anchor and we have one designed for that pocket. We may build a Bulwaga or put a Bulwaga on our bow and use the bow anchor as the stern anchor. We are still discussing it. As for the gas - we didn't have time to remove it in this boatyard trip but it does come out in the future - you'll see in another video. Right now those tanks are empty. Thanks for the comment. Janis
You need hazmat suits sanding all that stuff off.
Who would seal up a gasoline storage tank? That's got to drained and come out,right?
Oh gosh yes. They have all been drained and well ventilated.
Blaine
@@OnboardTangaroaSeatrial Thanks for the reply,
Go the new Zealand products
you need to check the sound when you make your video , looks better in blue and you needed to paint the white
Why not combine unuse gas tanks and stern anchor compartment into a storage locker. U dont' really need that rear anchor set up. Probably will never use.
Not really sure what we will end up doing with them. For now they will just stay as additional floatation in the rear. We have never used the rear anchor setup as it has never had an anchor since we bought the boat but we do like the idea of it. We have tons of storage onboard so we will likely just leave it as-is for now.
Blaine
The Steamship inspection which you guys dont have to have as you are a pleasure craft. The regulations got changed many years ago made "doubler" plates not allowed. If your vessel has patches welded over the original hull plating. It has to be removed the damaged hull plating removed and replaced. This regulation has taken quite a few vessels out of commercial service. Its cost the owner thousand to 10s of thousands to do the work to bring the vessel up to standards or scrap the boat. They can re-register the boat as a pleasure craft. They can continue to use the boat but not for commercial use. If the coast guard catches you using it for commercial use you are in deep sh*t. I can imagine getting the layers of old antifoul and barrier coat off was a pain in the a**. A sand blast the sand would bounce off of ablative paint. It was good you plugged up old thru hulls. Finding that corroded hole even better. How many owners did Tangaroa have over the years it almost seems like she sat for many years and neglected.
Definitely the better way to do it. I hate patches. It's just masking the problem on aluminum and causes more problems in the future. My motto is "fix the cause of the problem as well as the problem."
@OnboardTangaroaSeatrial Thats my motto too
Beautiful boat I love the design. Looks like she’s had a stern extension a some point.
Thanks! She was extended by 13ft some time in the 80's. It added tankage for another 1300 gallons of diesel and 750 gallons of water.
Blaine
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Cheers Joe!
The red bottompaint was probably an etching wash primer containing Chrome-6. The use is widely forbidden in the 90‘s. Tha dust can cause the rash you had. It was very wise to use good masks, the dust can cause all kinds of sicknesses, one of which is cancer. Be varefull with this stuff!
While we are bad with wearing masks sometimes this project was definitely one of those "masks every time" projects. Some of that stuff was pretty nasty. It very well could have been that stuff.
Blaine
I’ve tried to watch your channel a couple times but each time I have to change channels because I can’t stand listening to your wife blather on. Here i go again.
This makes zero sense... why are you watching then? Just don't watch then. This gets dumbest comment of the year for me so far. Congrats @jimcongdon8191!
If all thru holds are similar then u have problems (corrison) on all thru holds?
Bro stupid and cruel comment .I suggest you lack the people skills to understand the nuance of their life journey. The came to a decision to change their way of life mainly to relieve pressure so his wife could recover from severe ptsd. Blane is unwavering in his practical support for his wife and family .she is quirky for sure most people with ptsd are .but she's now having fun exploring a new way of life that that will allow the ptsd a distant memory .she is intensely interested in every aspect of the refurbished and contributes really logical and insightful insights to contribute to solving problems at hand .and as for work I am in awe at her commitment tenacity in that respect .so that's some of what's really going on here .lighten up there is no such thing as perfection with us humans .but these guys are about as close as it gets .
@@andresenmarc
I've had to point this problem out to him as well
I suspect it's a personal problem with him 😉.
Though I've also encountered a few that cannot cope with two people speaking together or even low level background music .... Clue it's not always heating related.🤷🏻🧙🏼♂️
@@andresenmarcHello…didn’t you listen. I am gone. I like these type of videos but I just can’t take her. What is so dumb about that?