CORRECTION: A Black Hawk helicopter SLAMMED into a passenger airplane. Stop the stupid propaganda. There is NOTHING the airplane pilot could have done, they were approaching the landing, 100% the helicooter's fault. Enough already!
The Plane was on flaps, therefore it had little maneuverability and pilots had very little control of the craft! Why would Military craft be in Civilian Airspace? They stay away from it. I would believe it was a DRONE that went straight at the Airliner! That would be more believable!! Make more sense.
@@bossfootbagstwo2078 hell I could be mistaken. Whichever light is on the left is the one that is creating the impact. It moving so fast I took it as the plane.
They were told to pass behind the plane. Hesgeth's military understood that as "fly directly into the path of an oncoming plane you have already confirmed as seen".
It's over the river. The angle fools the eye and perspective. They run up and down the Potomac on PAT training and practice runs for VIP DC personal. It is a know thing that runs almost daily. I think they didn't expect the plane to be there because they were also supposed to be there.
There were two planes about two miles apart. I would guess the helicopter pilot verified a visual on the trailing plane and missed seeing the one he hit.
They didn't COLLIDE; the AA plane was EXACTLY where it was supposed to be. The Army helicopter failed to identify the passenger plane as it was supposed to do, then THE HELICOPTER crashed into the plane. Don't use word that make it sound like the pilots of the AA plane had ANYTHING to do with the crash. Also, the helo didn't have ADSB or if it had it installed it wasn't turned on, either way it's inexcusable. The AA pilots had no way of seeing the Army helo without it. Now 60+ people are dead. Catastrophic systemic failure!!
@loganfrazer8461 Person on a highway would be jaywalking and breaking a law. The person in the car that hit this person is an innocent bystander and a victim of the jaywalker’s stupidity.
@@dustintacohands1107 You need to one, listen to the communications, and two, understand the regs. The helicopter pilot reported the CRJ in sight and requested approval to exercise visual separation which means he was then responsible for separation.
The military base the helicopter flew from has been flying aircraft for about 10 years longer than the civilian airport has existed. So it'd be more proper to ask why a civilian airport was built next to a operating military air base.
@@donkey3187 nope, thats inaccurate. The Aircraft was on an ILS controlled approach ON the glide-path, IN THE CORRECT POSITION, the Chopper was VFR under ATC communication. The VFR chopper was asked by ATC if they had visual contact with the landing IFR aircraft, they responded in the affirmative, they then proceeded to intersect with the IFR aircraft. It is the responsibility of the VFR aircraft to avoid the intersect. CHOPPER IS AT FAULT. NO FAULT on ATC as they asked the correct questions of the VFR chopper, and NOT the inbound ILS aircraft as they were on the glide-path, in the correct position and in communication with ATC. The military pilot took 66 souls and himself.
@@sounddoctor5decades Chopper may have made mistakes, but ultimately ATC was at fault. They asked the chopper if they saw the plane. Chopper said yes, But chopper was looking at the wrong plane. ATC was supposed to say, "Do you see the plane to your left at 11:00" ,for example, to make sure the pilot has eyes on the correct plane. You can see how not doing that allowed the accident to happen. Also, ATC could have given the chopper directions on where to go when they saw an impending possibe collision on radar, instead of, "do you see it" ATC didnt follow protocol and f'd up big time. They actually saw both aircraft and were in a position prevent it with more direction and specificity. ATC failed.
@@donkey3187 See though, what you are choosing to ignore is that we all have access to listen to the ATC recording at the time of the incident. The 18m32s leading up to it and the 13m24s directly following it. ATC asked the helo if they could see the plane. PAT25 (the helo) confirmed. ATC told PAT25 to pass *behind* CRJ (the passenger plate). Then PAT25 was flown directly into the passenger plane's approach.
are you fuckin retarded? like actually mentally defunct? A plane coming down on glide path to landing did not get rammed by anything. They came down ontop of the helicopter who never knew they were there. You got to be the stupidest fucking asshole in the usa
That was head-on. There is no way they didn't see that massive plane right in front of them. What happened inside that helicopter? A lot of lives were just forever changed. So sad. I feel for the families.
It is common for the military to have ports next to international airports. They didn't say they were training in the path of the airliner. They were on a training mission, which can be reasonably be concluded to mean they were in transit or returning to base.
@@makingadjustments What word would mister "I take it you never served?" use to describe this event? Bonus point: describe the Dunning-Kreuger effect and explain how it applies to this statement.
That helicopter made NO attempt to evade a collision. I want to know who those three soldiers were onboard, and whether they were motivated by some ideology or other. Stranger things can happen, and have happened.
One expert I follow on YT said they were probably wearing night vision goggles. And, it was supposedly a training flight, so tons of distractions in the cockpit.
While I'm sure you want this to be about ideology, suicide doesn't need an ideology. Pilots do this every few years - it is rarely motivated by ideology - I don't know what the motivation would be other than some sort of Trump protest - don't blame the other soldiers for what the pilot did.
@theRealJohnErtel oh you're sure what I want is that right? Sit down you mor0n. Take your Trump derangement syndrome with you. You had four years to rant
Why was a "training" flight conducted anywhere near the approach lanes to the airport? The helo should have never been near the airport to begin with. What kind of training flight enters live airspace at an active airport?
Mil Heli uses civ air EVERYDAY all the time. A DEI helicopter and DEI Tower Control hires could be the culprits. DEI killed many many soldier and pilot on the mil side (including multiple F-35), bound to happen on civ side.
@@ThereIsAlwaysaWay2 It is Marine One's home base and it's a helicopter, not a plane. Air Force One (and AF2 also) flies out of Joint Base Andrews in Maryland.
Why do you assume that he didn't see it? There are other reasons for hitting something that not being able to see it. He could have had a stearing malfunction. It could be suicide. Who knows?
The camera angle has the plane flying towards us, and the helicopter flying sideways. A different camera angle in the direction of the helicopter's flifhgt would show the helicopter appearing to be stationary, and the landing plane flying towards it. That said, from what I understand, the helicopter was supposed to stay below 200 ft. And this collision appears to have happened above that. So the helo would seem to have been the one out of position.
So why didn't the lord save any of those who prayed this time? Being in the US, there would have been passengers who prayed before take off, prayed the night before etc. Your comment is almost as bad as someone who praises the lord because a bible was exposed on the ground after a tornado, with some comforting prose, and the person says how much they thank good for keeping them safe, while 30 kids just died around the corner after they were trapped in a school basement and drowned, killed by the same loving god. Obscene logic in play there friend.
Nah flying is a risk they decided to take that's on them natural selection maybe next times mfs won't put kids on a plane acting like its completely fucking safe
A DEI helicopter and DEI Tower Control hires could be the culprits. Tower did not give the altitude and location of incoming flight, looks like tower is at fault. DEI killed many many soldier and pilot on the mil side (including multiple F-35), bound to happen on civ side. One of the President plane is based there BTW, this airport has a full military contingent.
@@unoimright5153 That a lie, Donald took Eps airplane exactly 4 times, and only in Florida and New York. Never went to the island, contrary to Bill Gates who went 61 times, and admitted to be blackmailed by Eps.
The chopper was instructed (By ATC) to pass behind the approaching jet. Very likely the chopper misidentified another aircraft as that target. Which can easily happen at night with all the light pollution. The landing jet would be IFR the helicopter would likely be VFR (Visual flight rules) You can hear ATC call to the chopper... "Can you see the CRM?" just before the collision.
Was the chopper the small light coming from the left side of the screen on the Earthcam video, and the AA jet the bright light in the middle coming toward the camera?
Look how bright that plane light is. How does the helicopter make this mistake? And the ATC audio shows the helicopter stop responding to ATC before the crash happened.
Please note that helicopter was on a different frequency. The helicopter responded that the it had the airliner in sight and was approved for visual separation. Currently it is believed that the helicopter crew may have been looking at the flight following behind (3130) or at the aircraft taking off the runway. it is unknown why the helicopter did not see 5342 and maintain separation.
only bright from the ground. Though Something is off why in the hell a helicopter is flying in front of a runway with a plane on approach with a tower controlling the airspace. That I do not understand. The airplane would have had zero visibility of that helicopter since its nose would have been pointed up. The Only thing I can think of is the training flight thought they had a box around the airport for training and someone at the tower effed up and sent the plane to the wrong runway.
Maybe one day you will understand that FAA investigations are fully public the exact moment they are started. I'm kidding, you will never understand common knowledge.
Both were being guided by ATC. PAT25 chose to ignore ATC's instructions to pass *behind* the CRJ and instead put itself directly in the path of plane it had already confirmed visual on.
At night when you’re at the same altitude or above another aircraft it’s extremely difficult to see the other plane. The position lights and anti collision strobes blend in with the city lights.
Heli can't see with night vision google on it's side + focusing on the other plane in front of him. Air Traffic Control did not give altitude and location of the incoming flight. Looks like it's ATC fault with limited info we have atm. My bet is ATC DEI hiring, FAA has creasy Diversity and Inclusions quotas to fulfill when hiring Tower Controllers.
The helicopter was also following Baltimore Washington terminal chart helicopter route 4, which for a few miles north and south of the airport requires helicopters to travel no higher than 200 feet ASL. The helicopter was at 200 for most its flight but climbed to 300 feet moments before the collision. Was it trying to avoid and mistakenly climbed right into it, or was it a deliberate act? That is where we are now.
INTERESTING no names released.. Not because of next of kin.. BUT another cover up?... Clearly this was beyond just a "accident".... WHAT are the names of those pilots and their backgrounds
They were over a river doing a know daily PAT run. If the place defended even a little too soon into the helos path..like an early decent..winds wrong. It would have put them right in line. They were actually both were they were supposed to be but it lined up exactly thus time for disaster
How many times has a car pulled out in front of an oncoming semi-truck they didn't see. How many times has someone walked across a train track in a station and got hit by a train they didn't see coming. Accidents happen. Besides which, the helicopter pilot was wearing night-vision, which restricts your field of vision.
@@ToEuropa My boy think the military helicopter is just like a passenger vehicle. It has tons of sensors equipped, radars and lidars. IDK how this fucking pilot missed it.
These exercises are normal practice that has happened every day for decades. They usually fly VFR, the pilots are responsible for avoiding other aircraft. Practicing in the airspace you regularly fly through is necessary.
Seeing how you don't know how to use capital letters or punctuation, even if it was explained to you, you probably don't have the mental capacity to understand anyway.
"Training" is vague - they were on a "recertification" flight, meaning that the pilot had already been trained and was just doing an annual check up of sorts, the military base there does these daily and this is nothing unusual. Also it's already been verified publicly that all three service members on the helicopter were very experienced pilots, it wasn't like someone was doing their first ever flight, stop overreacting to headlines.
@@CadericDo you have the mental capacity to see that you are criticizing a bot/troll account? The bot has a point though, unless you can explain why this type of "training" has gone on for decades, yet on 9/11 they failed to protect the country.
It's very evident that it was an intentional wreck, the helicopter turned right and very rapidly picked up speed to intercept the plane as it was on final to land , the air traffic controller gave the helicopter pilot an instruction to go behind the landing CRJ but he didn't do it he went directly towards the airplane.
Hard to avoid something you can’t see. Pilot of the helo may have been wearing NVGs which severely restrict peripheral vision, and they likely were focused on the plane further down the river.
My deepest condolences to each and every person that lost a loved one in that horrific crash. I cannot even imagine your deep pain, grief and sorrow. The world is standing with you all!😢😢😢😢❤
This is terrifying for me as a traveling worker who flies many times a month. I'm hearing more and more about unsafe aircraft, deregulation, increased turbulence due to climate change and stressed out/understaffed ATC. It might be time for me to consider changing career paths... Thoughts going out to the families of this tragedy - this is horrible.
Well unless it emerges that the helicopter pilot went psycho or something, Let's hold off on irresponsible tin-foil-hat interpretations for the moment.
@@donkey3187 nope.... refer to the plane tracking history. There are you plenty of videos already analysing it. The chopper did a right 90, up to about 20 seconds or so before the impact. It was also at 400' elevation, when the max approved elevation in that zone is 200' for PAT helos.
On the road imagine an 18 wheeler trying to evade a motorbike. It would have been impossible to control that fast. That's exactly the same with the plane.
They did. And they told the helo to pass behind the jet. The jet probably thought the helo pilot was willing to follow ATC instructions. The jet most likely didn't know the helo had instructions from someone higher up than ATC.
I’ve heard the ATC recordings from VHF and UHF levels, they were in contact with tower who double checked with the helo pilot that he had visual on the CRJ, but he must have been focusing on the wrong plane.
You know that the aviation industry has been saying FOR YEARS that these incidents are inevitable because of how terrible our air practices are all these years later they havent evolved. Many think it won't change until a huge catastrophic accident, like Tenerfie. I hope they're wrong....
What hasn't evolved? You apparently don't know much about the modernization of ATC and aircraft navigation that took place since 2010. It doesnt matter how much it evolves, you can't take the human facter out of it. Whether it's the human that programs it or the human that flys it. Ultimately, there is a human somewhere.
Airplanes are really safe now. Human errors happen and not only humans, machines also malfuncion and there is gonna be an accident like this from time to time, but for every accident like this there is millions of safe flights.
@@12w0He is taking that out of Trumps play book! Just say something that nobody is talking about and say everyone is taking about it! Then boom! Everyone is talking about it! LOL! This dude probably works at Wendy’s and has no connection to the aviation industry! 😂😂
Something is going on for sure!?? Then fires here in Cali, the Tesla bombing at Trump tower in las Vegas on January 1 , the new Orleans massacre also Jan 1st, the mass deportations happening. Wtf 2025???
If this wasnt intentional the incompetence needed by the helicopter pilot is staggering. That would imply he was so distracted, inside the airspace of a major international airport, he didnt see the plane until it was too late. Not that ATC did them any favors by not calling out their collision course. Such a tragedy.
That flashing red "CA" on the ATC screen means collision alert. 1:22 The ATC knew they were on a collision course but didn't alter either aircraft's course but rather just ask the chopper pilots if they had the plane in sight. That would assume the copper pilots were seeing the plane ATC wanted them to see and not some other plane in this very busy airspace. That's how it appears to me anyways.
They may have "known" but that would have to be properly placed on the timeline of events. Which looks like it may have been about 3 seconds before the collision.
That's what they want you to think. Live your life, nobody knows when their time is up. What should we do, cower in fear and never leave the house? No thanks
I'm not a pilot, but...why does it seem like it would be harder for two aircrafts to collide at what seemed like a perpendicular angle, in mid air, as one is also descending?
Looks intentional, we don't know if the military pilot went awol or hijacked the helicopter or was on a sleeper cell mission, let's hear the names of the crew on the helicopter, we had the ex military terrorists in New Orleans recently and the other ex military in Vegas and now this ...... someone needs to start taking a deeper look into this.
Actually it wasn't an American Airlines plane. It was a PSA airline regional aircraft. PSA is a wholly own subsidiary of American. Totally different pilot group. Helicopter was told about the PSA aircraft and he replied the aircraft was in sight and that he would maintain visual separation. Tower asked him again and he replied that he had him in sight. Tower then said to fly behind PSA.
Training the route to fly when they transport VIPs around DC. Unfortunately they failed to stay in the helicopter corridor which is below 200 feet on the far bank of the river. They appear to have been in the middle of the river at 300 feet.
@@donkey3187from the sounds of it the ice skaters made up a small number of people on that plane. Unless I’ve been given incorrect numbers, there are many more victims as well and it’s really all devastating.🥺
The heli pilot screwed up And they doed for it along with dozens of innocents. We cant talk to them so we dont know but its suspected they were looking at a plane behing this plane, and didnt notice this one so close
The person ultimately responsible is dead, the helicopter pilot. They flew into the landing space of an incredibly busy commercial airport. Could have flown a quarter mile farther away at that altitude and been totally fine and out of danger.
They were supposed to have an operational ceiling of 200 feet, well under where the plane was coming in at. Seems they strayed since the collision happened at about 350 ft.
Tower did not give altitude, location and bearings of incoming plane AS PER MANUAL. Plane came on the side, impossible to see with night visions google. ATC fucked up bad. Possibly DEI hiring related.
Mil bas if 5 miles away. They both share same airspace. Mil pass there dozens of times a day, authorized by tower each time. Tower did not give altitude, location and bearings of incoming plane AS PER MANUAL. ATC fucked up bad. Possibly DEI hiring related. We'll see.
The majority of people within the system don’t realize how flawed it is because it’s all they’ve ever known. In the U.S., air traffic control practices and regulatory allowances create unnecessary risks that would be considered unacceptable elsewhere. Some American pilots argue that it's fine to switch their collision avoidance system to a less sensitive mode just to avoid minor alerts, even though those alerts are meant to help prevent midair crashes. Refusing to follow an alert simply because they have the traffic in sight, undermining the automated safety system designed to prevent midair collisions. Others accept visual separation at night-when even daytime visual separation carries inherent risks-or agree to late visual switches. The fact that U.S. controllers find it acceptable to “slam dunk” a heavy jet, in uncontrolled VFR traffic, which is permitted within 500 feet of commercial operations-a level of proximity that is outright reckless-is just insane. The structural flaws of the system extend beyond fixed-wing operations. A look at the helicopter route chart for Washington, D.C., shows that the Blackhawk involved in the recent incident was flying from Route 1 to Route 4-routes that literally require helicopters to pass underneath landing airliners on final approach to KDCA. The current configuration was a matter of "when," not "if."
I'm assuming that you're implying that the US is backwards in comparison to Europe? (You certainly can't be implying Asia, lol). You realize that the US fields more flights per day than any one European country sees in a year, right? It's a lot easier to implement some complex and unnecessary flight protocol when you have 200 flights per day, as opposed to the 50,000 flights per day the US sees in peak. The fact that this is the first major crash the USA has seen in 15 years says a lot about the efficiency of the way we operate our airspace. We invented and pioneered aviation, and are still the recognized world leader in air travel, so quit trying to denigrate our ATC and pilots as though we operate at a deficiency compared to some unnamed, nonexistent "elsewhere" country. You, thinking that 'helicopters passing under aircraft on final approach' is some great taboo that is inherently more risky than passing under aircraft at any other point in their flight, tells me all that I need to know about your understanding of aeronautics. In your world, no aircraft should ever pass over or under any other aircraft, which would limit us to about 1000 flights per day, at best, which might work for Belgium, but it won't work for the United States.
@@RockandrollNegro I'm studying aviation law, so I welcome the rebuttle. However, your argument relies on two main claims: (1) that the U.S. handles far more air traffic than Europe, making stricter protocols impractical, and (2) that the absence of a major crash in 15 years proves the system’s efficiency. However, both points overlook critical nuances. First, volume alone does not justify lower safety standards. While it’s true that the U.S. manages more flights per day than any single European country, Europe as a whole handles a comparable amount of air traffic under stricter regulations without compromising efficiency. The argument that higher traffic volumes prevent safer practices assumes that efficiency and safety are mutually exclusive when, in reality, well-designed regulations enhance both. If complexity were the sole limiting factor, the U.S. wouldn’t lead in areas like NextGen ATC implementation. Second, the “15 years without a major crash” argument is misleading. Aviation safety isn't just about avoiding catastrophic accidents but also about preventing near misses, midair incursions, and runway incidents. The FAA's own data shows a rising number of runway incursions and TCAS Resolution Advisories in U.S. airspace. A system that routinely relies on last-minute conflict resolution rather than proactive risk mitigation is not a model of efficiency-it’s a game of statistical luck. Regarding helicopter routes, your dismissal of the concern misses the point. The issue isn’t whether aircraft should ever pass over or under each other but rather whether the specific traffic patterns in controlled airspace unnecessarily increase collision risks. The DCA helicopter corridor forces helicopters to fly directly beneath airliners on final approach, at low altitudes, in a congested urban environment. The fact that you compare this to routine over-and-under flight at cruising altitude suggests a misunderstanding of why this particular setup is problematic. No one is arguing that the U.S. is "backwards" in aviation, nor that it should adopt Europe’s system wholesale. The point is that certain U.S. ATC practices-such as allowing uncontrolled VFR traffic within 500 feet of commercial operations, frequent “slam dunk” approaches, and questionable TCAS practices-are riskier than they need to be. Recognizing and addressing those risks isn’t an attack on U.S. aviation; it’s a call to make a strong system even better.
@@RockandrollNegro I'm studying aviation law, so I welcome you rebuttle. However, your argument relies on two main claims: (1) that the U.S. handles far more air traffic than Europe, making stricter protocols impractical, and (2) that the absence of a major crash in 15 years proves the system’s efficiency. However, both points overlook critical nuances. First, volume alone does not justify lower safety standards. While it’s true that the U.S. manages more flights per day than any single European country, Europe as a whole handles a comparable amount of air traffic under stricter regulations without compromising efficiency. The argument that higher traffic volumes prevent safer practices assumes that efficiency and safety are mutually exclusive when, in reality, well-designed regulations enhance both. If complexity were the sole limiting factor, the U.S. wouldn’t lead in areas like NextGen ATC implementation. Second, the “15 years without a major crash” argument is misleading. Aviation safety isn't just about avoiding catastrophic accidents but also about preventing near misses, midair incursions, and runway incidents. The FAA's own data shows a rising number of runway incursions and TCAS Resolution Advisories in U.S. airspace. A system that routinely relies on last-minute conflict resolution rather than proactive risk mitigation is not a model of efficiency-it’s a game of statistical luck. Regarding helicopter routes, your dismissal of the concern misses the point. The issue isn’t whether aircraft should ever pass over or under each other but rather whether the specific traffic patterns in controlled airspace unnecessarily increase collision risks. The DCA helicopter corridor forces rotary-wing aircraft to fly directly beneath airliners on final approach, at low altitudes, in a congested urban environment. The fact that you compare this to routine over-and-under flight at cruising altitude suggests a misunderstanding of why this particular setup is problematic. No one is arguing that the U.S. is "backwards" in aviation, nor that it should adopt Europe’s system wholesale. The point is that certain U.S. ATC practices-such as allowing uncontrolled VFR traffic within 500 feet of commercial operations, frequent “slam dunk” approaches, and questionable TCAS practices-are riskier than they need to be. Recognizing and addressing those risks isn’t an attack on U.S. aviation; it’s a call to make a strong system even better.
@@RockandrollNegro Im currently studying aviation law, so I welcome the rebuttal. However, your argument relies on two main claims: (1) that the U.S. handles far more air traffic than Europe, making stricter protocols impractical, and (2) that the absence of a major crash in 15 years proves the system’s efficiency. However, both points overlook critical nuances. First, volume alone does not justify lower safety standards. While it’s true that the U.S. manages more flights per day than any single European country, Europe as a whole handles a comparable amount of air traffic under stricter regulations without compromising efficiency. The argument that higher traffic volumes prevent safer practices assumes that efficiency and safety are mutually exclusive when, in reality, well-designed regulations enhance both. If complexity were the sole limiting factor, the U.S. wouldn’t lead in areas like NextGen ATC implementation. Second, the “15 years without a major crash” argument is misleading. Aviation safety isn't just about avoiding catastrophic accidents but also about preventing near misses, midair incursions, and runway incidents. The FAA's own data shows a rising number of runway incursions and TCAS Resolution Advisories in U.S. airspace. A system that routinely relies on last-minute conflict resolution rather than proactive risk mitigation is not a model of efficiency-it’s a game of statistical luck. Regarding helicopter routes, your dismissal of the concern misses the point. The issue isn’t whether aircraft should ever pass over or under each other but rather whether the specific traffic patterns in controlled airspace unnecessarily increase collision risks. The DCA helicopter corridor forces rotary-wing aircraft to fly directly beneath airliners on final approach, at low altitudes, in a congested urban environment. The fact that you compare this to routine over-and-under flight at cruising altitude suggests a misunderstanding of why this particular setup is problematic. No one is arguing that the U.S. is "backwards" in aviation, nor that it should adopt Europe’s system wholesale. The point is that certain U.S. ATC practices-such as allowing uncontrolled VFR traffic within 500 feet of commercial operations, frequent “slam dunk” approaches, and questionable TCAS practices-are riskier than they need to be. Recognizing and addressing those risks isn’t an attack on U.S. aviation; it’s a call to make a strong system even better.
@RockandrollNegro I welcome the rebuttle. However, your argument relies on two main claims: (1) that the U.S. handles far more air traffic than Europe, making stricter protocols impractical, and (2) that the absence of a major crash in 15 years proves the system’s efficiency. However, both points overlook critical nuances. First, volume alone does not justify lower safety standards. While it’s true that the U.S. manages more flights per day than any single European country, Europe as a whole handles a comparable amount of air traffic under stricter regulations without compromising efficiency. The argument that higher traffic volumes prevent safer practices assumes that efficiency and safety are mutually exclusive when, in reality, well-designed regulations enhance both. If complexity were the sole limiting factor, the U.S. wouldn’t lead in areas like NextGen ATC implementation. Second, the “15 years without a major crash” argument is misleading. Aviation safety isn't just about avoiding catastrophic accidents but also about preventing near misses, midair incursions, and runway incidents. The FAA's own data shows a rising number of runway incursions and TCAS Resolution Advisories in U.S. airspace. A system that routinely relies on last-minute conflict resolution rather than proactive risk mitigation is not a model of efficiency-it’s a game of statistical luck. Regarding helicopter routes, your dismissal of the concern misses the point. The issue isn’t whether aircraft should ever pass over or under each other but rather whether the specific traffic patterns in controlled airspace unnecessarily increase collision risks. The DCA helicopter corridor forces rotary-wing aircraft to fly directly beneath airliners on final approach, at low altitudes, in a congested urban environment. The fact that you compare this to routine over-and-under flight at cruising altitude suggests a misunderstanding of why this particular setup is problematic. No one is arguing that the U.S. is "backwards" in aviation, nor that it should adopt Europe’s system wholesale. The point is that certain U.S. ATC practices-such as allowing uncontrolled VFR traffic within 500 feet of commercial operations, frequent “slam dunk” approaches, and questionable TCAS practices-are riskier than they need to be. Recognizing and addressing those risks isn’t an attack on U.S. aviation; it’s a call to make a strong system even better.
Arm chair quarterback comments here, as per usual! That AA was approaching at probably 130 knots = 150mph. At these speeds, circumstances happen rapidly. The Black Hawk helicopter in the video is traveling fast also, and without seeing the descending plane, it would be easy, unfortunately to hit the passenger jet. Plus, the original video shows a jet taking off in the path of both, in the opposite direction, and the BH crew might have mistaken that plane for the AA jet that the the air traffic controller warned them about. Only time will figure it out. But, on a positive note, it was a miracle both crashed into the Potomac, because there would more than likely be, additional casualties in that populated area, from the falling flaming debris. *R.i.P. & God Bless the victims.
@@mimcduffee86 They mistaken plane in front of them for the CRJ, they had no idea tower was talking about another plane. Tower did not give altitude, location and bearings of incoming plane AS PER MANUAL. Helo maintained visual contact with plane in front of them and had no idea of the second incoming plane. ATC fucked up bad. Possibly DEI hiring related.
bad news always sells, and this should have never happened. we can always put the blame on someone else. The military is aware of what they are doing. They travel everywhere and everyday. it's not like someone new traveling. There should be more safety precautions to happen when people aboard an airplane.
CORRECTION: A Black Hawk helicopter SLAMMED into a passenger airplane. Stop the stupid propaganda. There is NOTHING the airplane pilot could have done, they were approaching the landing, 100% the helicooter's fault. Enough already!
And...so...why did they crash? Why was the helicopter in the airplanes air space?
@@Brisket187Nah, you can clearly see that copter hit that plane…
The Plane was on flaps, therefore it had little maneuverability and pilots had very little control of the craft!
Why would Military craft be in Civilian Airspace?
They stay away from it.
I would believe it was a DRONE that went straight at the Airliner!
That would be more believable!! Make more sense.
@ Smells Fishy!
You don't train over Civilian Airspace!
@@bossfootbagstwo2078 hell I could be mistaken. Whichever light is on the left is the one that is creating the impact. It moving so fast I took it as the plane.
Stop saying the jet collided with the helicopter! It is obvious the helicopter crashed into the jet!
if someone walks out onto the highway and gets hit by a car did the pedestrian crash into the car?
@@loganfrazer8461it’s more like a bike hitting a car
@@loganfrazer8461 more onic analogy
I'm NOT sure that it wasn't a DRONE that hit the airliner!
The Military stays away from Civilian air space. Too Risky!!!
@@loganfrazer8461 Yes he did.
WHY does the military do flight training in the path of commercial airliners taking off and landing?
Because the precious military is above all rules and morals.
They were told to pass behind the plane. Hesgeth's military understood that as "fly directly into the path of an oncoming plane you have already confirmed as seen".
It's over the river. The angle fools the eye and perspective. They run up and down the Potomac on PAT training and practice runs for VIP DC personal. It is a know thing that runs almost daily. I think they didn't expect the plane to be there because they were also supposed to be there.
It's Reagan National Airport. It's right by the Pentagon, White House, and Capital. Black Hawks, do training operations all the time there.
@@mimcduffee86Still suffering from four years of corruption, DEI and far lowered standards. Going to take time to get everything back in order.
How didn't the helicopter not know where the hell it was at???? Smh
There were two planes about two miles apart. I would guess the helicopter pilot verified a visual on the trailing plane and missed seeing the one he hit.
I wonder if there were any “important” passengers, all lives are worth the same still
@@buckhorncortezhelo should have been nowhere near an active runway at night so low to the ground! Regardless of military, training or whatever!
And not one of them looked up from their instruments?
as an ex-commercial traffic controller it seems like a breakdown in communication.
They didn't COLLIDE; the AA plane was EXACTLY where it was supposed to be. The Army helicopter failed to identify the passenger plane as it was supposed to do, then THE HELICOPTER crashed into the plane. Don't use word that make it sound like the pilots of the AA plane had ANYTHING to do with the crash. Also, the helo didn't have ADSB or if it had it installed it wasn't turned on, either way it's inexcusable. The AA pilots had no way of seeing the Army helo without it. Now 60+ people are dead. Catastrophic systemic failure!!
if someone walks out onto the highway and gets hit by a car did the pedestrian crash into the car?
well no, they did indeed collide you genius
@loganfrazer8461 Person on a highway would be jaywalking and breaking a law. The person in the car that hit this person is an innocent bystander and a victim of the jaywalker’s stupidity.
When 2 objects hit one another collide is the correct answer unless the word has a new meaning since yesterday
@ you're misinterpreting what he said
That is 100% the helicopter pilot's fault. ☹
Link to your information?
Are you sure??? Air traffic control is another thing I’m wondering about
@@dustintacohands1107 You need to one, listen to the communications, and two, understand the regs. The helicopter pilot reported the CRJ in sight and requested approval to exercise visual separation which means he was then responsible for separation.
Nobody knows
@ you need to learn some manners I asked a simple question don’t tell me what to do Grandma.
That helicopter seemed to go directly into the plane. So sad.
like... deliberately. it's hard to watch that and see an accident, that looked like a directed attack.
Why the hell is a military helicopter flying near a civilian airport??? What a disgrace.
Bruh they fly around this airport everyday.. the president plane is there.. lol
They do this everyday, all the time, and mil base is it's next neighbor.
The military base the helicopter flew from has been flying aircraft for about 10 years longer than the civilian airport has existed. So it'd be more proper to ask why a civilian airport was built next to a operating military air base.
@@thatguydy5089 Actually the President's plane is stationed at Joint Base Andrews in Maryland, not a Reagan National.
Heli was at 400 feet it should have been at only 200 near the airport. Pilot error.
Stop covering up for the military!!!!! The AA pilot was absolutely NOT at fault !. The Military Helicopter was ABSOLUTELY at fault!!!! Periodt!!!!!!
They may have made mistakes in the chopper, but actually it was primarily ground controls fault.
@@donkey3187
You don't know that.
@@donkey3187 nope, thats inaccurate. The Aircraft was on an ILS controlled approach ON the glide-path, IN THE CORRECT POSITION, the Chopper was VFR under ATC communication. The VFR chopper was asked by ATC if they had visual contact with the landing IFR aircraft, they responded in the affirmative, they then proceeded to intersect with the IFR aircraft. It is the responsibility of the VFR aircraft to avoid the intersect. CHOPPER IS AT FAULT. NO FAULT on ATC as they asked the correct questions of the VFR chopper, and NOT the inbound ILS aircraft as they were on the glide-path, in the correct position and in communication with ATC. The military pilot took 66 souls and himself.
@@sounddoctor5decades Chopper may have made mistakes, but ultimately ATC was at fault. They asked the chopper if they saw the plane. Chopper said yes, But chopper was looking at the wrong plane. ATC was supposed to say, "Do you see the plane to your left at 11:00" ,for example, to make sure the pilot has eyes on the correct plane. You can see how not doing that allowed the accident to happen. Also, ATC could have given the chopper directions on where to go when they saw an impending possibe collision on radar, instead of, "do you see it" ATC didnt follow protocol and f'd up big time. They actually saw both aircraft and were in a position prevent it with more direction and specificity. ATC failed.
@@donkey3187 See though, what you are choosing to ignore is that we all have access to listen to the ATC recording at the time of the incident. The 18m32s leading up to it and the 13m24s directly following it. ATC asked the helo if they could see the plane. PAT25 (the helo) confirmed. ATC told PAT25 to pass *behind* CRJ (the passenger plate). Then PAT25 was flown directly into the passenger plane's approach.
It was not a plane crash
It was military helicopter ramming into a plane.
Why is not known at this time.
Well no the plane hit the black hawk, but the black hawk was in the way. It should not have been in the direct line of the runway
are you fuckin retarded? like actually mentally defunct? A plane coming down on glide path to landing did not get rammed by anything. They came down ontop of the helicopter who never knew they were there. You got to be the stupidest fucking asshole in the usa
That is a ridiculous comment
no? the plane hit the black hawk, and the black hawk was in the way for whichever reason
Investigate first
The Army is 100% responsible for this tragedy.
Family of the victims better get a BIGGGG lawsuit from the army
Not surprised lol
That was head-on. There is no way they didn't see that massive plane right in front of them. What happened inside that helicopter? A lot of lives were just forever changed. So sad. I feel for the families.
my bet is someone had a bad reaction to a panic and made a bad move. or he was feeling extra sad that day
Maybe a terror attack?? The cegas and new Orleans attacks were caused by former servicemen
Did the pilot of the helicopter still have his night vision giggles on?? He's be blinded by those light
It was on purpose
Yep looks that way
Training around airports? Many lawsuits coming.
It is common for the military to have ports next to international airports. They didn't say they were training in the path of the airliner. They were on a training mission, which can be reasonably be concluded to mean they were in transit or returning to base.
That’s the funny thing. You cannot sue the military. Not even for malpractice.
this sort of training has been ongoing for decades now, so you'd have to prove this instance was somehow different.
Running right into a jet the size of 2 huge school busses. At some point visuals need to matter.
It's over the river..not iver an airport. Yes it's a necessary safety training for the president and staffers. But keep going off.
Military helicopters shouldn’t be PLAYING at a commercial airport!
So true
Playing would not be the word to use here. I take it you never served? I did, and ima let you know right now the dunning kreuger effect is very real
@@makingadjustmentsthey played with the lives on the airplane. Ridiculous.
@@makingadjustments What was your rank?
@@makingadjustments What word would mister "I take it you never served?" use to describe this event?
Bonus point: describe the Dunning-Kreuger effect and explain how it applies to this statement.
It is clear the helicopter crashed into the plane. I’m sure family members don’t really want to see this. Very sad.
That helicopter made NO attempt to evade a collision. I want to know who those three soldiers were onboard, and whether they were motivated by some ideology or other. Stranger things can happen, and have happened.
One expert I follow on YT said they were probably wearing night vision goggles. And, it was supposedly a training flight, so tons of distractions in the cockpit.
While I'm sure you want this to be about ideology, suicide doesn't need an ideology. Pilots do this every few years - it is rarely motivated by ideology - I don't know what the motivation would be other than some sort of Trump protest - don't blame the other soldiers for what the pilot did.
@theRealJohnErtel oh you're sure what I want is that right? Sit down you mor0n. Take your Trump derangement syndrome with you. You had four years to rant
@@Grammy52 expert huh? The only experts were the ones on the aircraft.
Why was a "training" flight conducted anywhere near the approach lanes to the airport? The helo should have never been near the airport to begin with. What kind of training flight enters live airspace at an active airport?
Mil Heli uses civ air EVERYDAY all the time. A DEI helicopter and DEI Tower Control hires could be the culprits.
DEI killed many many soldier and pilot on the mil side (including multiple F-35), bound to happen on civ side.
@@ThereIsAlwaysaWay2 It is Marine One's home base and it's a helicopter, not a plane. Air Force One (and AF2 also) flies out of Joint Base Andrews in Maryland.
@@Vipre77 thx
The plane appeared to be highly illuminated on the video. I can't imagine how the Blackhawk pilot didn't see it.
Headlights on a car aren’t nearly as visible from the side. Same thing in the sky except they don’t have the ground to reflect light either.
Would the cabin windows be visible due to the passenger lighting? I hardly think every windows shade was closed and the cabin lights were turned off.
@@LgSutterby so they couldn't see the illuminated cabin lights, either? Take a seat.
Why do you assume that he didn't see it? There are other reasons for hitting something that not being able to see it. He could have had a stearing malfunction. It could be suicide. Who knows?
@Cartilog-z4f he could be looking the other way.
Helicopter appears to be flying straight towards the plane
Well that's how mid air collisions happen🙄
Never once shifted left or right nor up or down. Very sus
The camera angle has the plane flying towards us, and the helicopter flying sideways. A different camera angle in the direction of the helicopter's flifhgt would show the helicopter appearing to be stationary, and the landing plane flying towards it.
That said, from what I understand, the helicopter was supposed to stay below 200 ft. And this collision appears to have happened above that. So the helo would seem to have been the one out of position.
Condolences to the victims' Family 🙏❤🌹
How on earth could he not have seen that plane - just strange
May have been wearing night vision goggles which severely inhibit peripheral vision, and was focused on the other plane down the river
Why did air traffic even ok the take off in the first place?
Night vision goggles. Probably trying to use instruments
Looked to me to be deliberate. Just my opinion…Prayers to those who lost loved ones…🙏🏻
they were hot dogging..pilot fault trump will say,,WATCH THIS LOSER..
Every time one boards a plane... ask the Lord for safe travels. And Thank Him when you arive safely. ❤❤❤❤
Does god do that to the children that are being trafficked by pedophiles or he decided to something nice when you worship him
Superstition
So why didn't the lord save any of those who prayed this time? Being in the US, there would have been passengers who prayed before take off, prayed the night before etc.
Your comment is almost as bad as someone who praises the lord because a bible was exposed on the ground after a tornado, with some comforting prose, and the person says how much they thank good for keeping them safe, while 30 kids just died around the corner after they were trapped in a school basement and drowned, killed by the same loving god.
Obscene logic in play there friend.
This is so sad. They were so close to landing safely. Something sounds SUS to me.
Nah flying is a risk they decided to take that's on them natural selection maybe next times mfs won't put kids on a plane acting like its completely fucking safe
A DEI helicopter and DEI Tower Control hires could be the culprits. Tower did not give the altitude and location of incoming flight, looks like tower is at fault.
DEI killed many many soldier and pilot on the mil side (including multiple F-35), bound to happen on civ side.
One of the President plane is based there BTW, this airport has a full military contingent.
Why does every media outlet say that a plane crashed into the helicopter? Cheesy journalism(?).
So the military won’t take accountability & pay
Because they are maintaining the image that our Military is competent and not a scheme to enrich military contractors.
Controlling the narrative
ummm, because it did... Are you fuckin retarded?
I mean it's generally a plane flying forward and a helicopter hovering. Contextually it makes sense. Shrug
RELEASE THE EPSTEIN FILES
They did ! Trumpf went to Jeffery’s island 6 times on Jeffery Epstein’s private jet
They will after they ‘Photoshop’ the right names out and put the fictional narrative in.
Bullshit you ass
Why, do they contain information about why a military helicopter flew directly into a passenger jet?
@@unoimright5153 That a lie, Donald took Eps airplane exactly 4 times, and only in Florida and New York. Never went to the island, contrary to Bill Gates who went 61 times, and admitted to be blackmailed by Eps.
This is absolutely terrible 🙏🏽🙏🏽
So sorry for the loss grieving for the families
How is posible something like that happened 😢😢 inexcusable!!
If i didnt know any better it looks as if the helicopter is bee lining it straight for the Airplane.. inexcusable
Maybe it was bee lining for it.....intentionally crashing into the plane.
Looked that way, didn’t it?
The chopper was instructed (By ATC) to pass behind the approaching jet. Very likely the chopper misidentified another aircraft as that target. Which can easily happen at night with all the light pollution. The landing jet would be IFR the helicopter would likely be VFR (Visual flight rules) You can hear ATC call to the chopper... "Can you see the CRM?" just before the collision.
Was the chopper the small light coming from the left side of the screen on the Earthcam video, and the AA jet the bright light in the middle coming toward the camera?
@@Lacronh Yes. But the helicopter would not be seeing those bright lights the same way we do. They're coming at it obliquely.
Look how bright that plane light is. How does the helicopter make this mistake? And the ATC audio shows the helicopter stop responding to ATC before the crash happened.
like on purpose. .agenda
He responded, the military uses a different radio channel/frequency which the ATC can here but you cant.
@@shans1986 He responded, the military use a different radio which the ATC can here but you cant. Fucking idiot
Please note that helicopter was on a different frequency. The helicopter responded that the it had the airliner in sight and was approved for visual separation. Currently it is believed that the helicopter crew may have been looking at the flight following behind (3130) or at the aircraft taking off the runway. it is unknown why the helicopter did not see 5342 and maintain separation.
only bright from the ground. Though Something is off why in the hell a helicopter is flying in front of a runway with a plane on approach with a tower controlling the airspace. That I do not understand. The airplane would have had zero visibility of that helicopter since its nose would have been pointed up. The Only thing I can think of is the training flight thought they had a box around the airport for training and someone at the tower effed up and sent the plane to the wrong runway.
Maybe one day the news will get a backbone and actually do some real reporting and stuff just going along with the song of the mockingbird
They won’t. They’re too deep into the op.😵💫
its a report about a tragedy moron
You don't understand, the plane was resisting
Maybe one day you will understand that FAA investigations are fully public the exact moment they are started. I'm kidding, you will never understand common knowledge.
Considering it was at a civilian airport I would say the military helicopter ran into the plane. Not the other way around.
Yep. And copters-can literally stop in mid air and stay in the air. Don’t see how this happens unless..intentional.
That's what the video shows
That video hurts my heart. I pray for comfort and peace for the families.
The helicopter pilot has much better visual/radar than the CRJ pilot who was actually being guided by the tower for the final approach
Both were being guided by ATC. PAT25 chose to ignore ATC's instructions to pass *behind* the CRJ and instead put itself directly in the path of plane it had already confirmed visual on.
At night when you’re at the same altitude or above another aircraft it’s extremely difficult to see the other plane. The position lights and anti collision strobes blend in with the city lights.
Heli can't see with night vision google on it's side + focusing on the other plane in front of him. Air Traffic Control did not give altitude and location of the incoming flight. Looks like it's ATC fault with limited info we have atm. My bet is ATC DEI hiring, FAA has creasy Diversity and Inclusions quotas to fulfill when hiring Tower Controllers.
The helicopter was also following Baltimore Washington terminal chart helicopter route 4, which for a few miles north and south of the airport requires helicopters to travel no higher than 200 feet ASL. The helicopter was at 200 for most its flight but climbed to 300 feet moments before the collision. Was it trying to avoid and mistakenly climbed right into it, or was it a deliberate act? That is where we are now.
The chopper hit that plane on purpose
That is very clear
THE BLACKHAWK FLEW RIGHT INTO THE SIDE OF THE JET..WOW HE GOT THE TARGET
Who was flying that helicopter?... From that angle, it looked intensional
INTERESTING no names released.. Not because of next of kin.. BUT another cover up?... Clearly this was beyond just a "accident".... WHAT are the names of those pilots and their backgrounds
You will not catch me in an airplane. It's dangerous enough on the ground.
Helicopter should NOT have been there crossing a flight path.....period.
They were over a river doing a know daily PAT run. If the place defended even a little too soon into the helos path..like an early decent..winds wrong. It would have put them right in line. They were actually both were they were supposed to be but it lined up exactly thus time for disaster
@@breezeh1127 chopper was 200' above approved vertical clearance.
@IrriGRAYHowToChannel from what I read, Chopper was at 350, and the plane was at 375.
So u telling me helicopter piolet didn't see that big ass plane and lights and didn't move
THAT part…
That’s what I’m saying how did he not see that especially if there experienced no excuses
How many times has a car pulled out in front of an oncoming semi-truck they didn't see. How many times has someone walked across a train track in a station and got hit by a train they didn't see coming. Accidents happen. Besides which, the helicopter pilot was wearing night-vision, which restricts your field of vision.
You telling me you don't know a helicopter pilot can't look up? Or that they were wearing night vision which limits your field of view??
@@ToEuropa My boy think the military helicopter is just like a passenger vehicle. It has tons of sensors equipped, radars and lidars. IDK how this fucking pilot missed it.
why the hell was there a retraining military air craft in civilian airspace
These exercises are normal practice that has happened every day for decades. They usually fly VFR, the pilots are responsible for avoiding other aircraft. Practicing in the airspace you regularly fly through is necessary.
Seeing how you don't know how to use capital letters or punctuation, even if it was explained to you, you probably don't have the mental capacity to understand anyway.
@@Caderic this is a youtube comment section not a peer reviewed research article smartass
"Training" is vague - they were on a "recertification" flight, meaning that the pilot had already been trained and was just doing an annual check up of sorts, the military base there does these daily and this is nothing unusual. Also it's already been verified publicly that all three service members on the helicopter were very experienced pilots, it wasn't like someone was doing their first ever flight, stop overreacting to headlines.
@@CadericDo you have the mental capacity to see that you are criticizing a bot/troll account?
The bot has a point though, unless you can explain why this type of "training" has gone on for decades, yet on 9/11 they failed to protect the country.
SOO SOO SAD!! I can't believe this happened with all the technology we have , heartbreaking
Please don't say Good Afternoon after showing a crash where 67 people died.. Poor taste. Bad timing.
Bad afternoon
That’s terrible. Getting ready to land and end your flight and that happens..
With the agility and maneuverability of the helicopter, why didn’t the pilot move to avoid hitting the plane??? Suspect!
It's very evident that it was an intentional wreck, the helicopter turned right and very rapidly picked up speed to intercept the plane as it was on final to land , the air traffic controller gave the helicopter pilot an instruction to go behind the landing CRJ but he didn't do it he went directly towards the airplane.
Hard to avoid something you can’t see. Pilot of the helo may have been wearing NVGs which severely restrict peripheral vision, and they likely were focused on the plane further down the river.
@@josephbennett3482FOH with the conspiracy theories.
@@LgSutterby they reported that they were all wearing nvg's. I am hoping your assessment is correct and it was a terrible accident :(
@@LgSutterby Three pilots on the helicopter! Someone saw the plane!
This is questionable.
Prayers to the families and friends involved 🙏 this is such sad news😢
So sorry to hear this. So many deaths please investigate this. My condolences to their families
I just came here to look at all the idiots that are all of the sudden aviation experts. Bunch of clowns 🤡
Clearly Helicopter should NOT BE ANYWHERE NEAR REG. AIRLINER CORRIDOR.
They are all the time.
You do realize that they were flying the designated helicopter corridor. As directed by ATC. As cleared by ATC.
My deepest condolences to each and every person that lost a loved one in that horrific crash. I cannot even imagine your deep pain, grief and sorrow. The world is standing with you all!😢😢😢😢❤
This is terrifying for me as a traveling worker who flies many times a month. I'm hearing more and more about unsafe aircraft, deregulation, increased turbulence due to climate change and stressed out/understaffed ATC. It might be time for me to consider changing career paths... Thoughts going out to the families of this tragedy - this is horrible.
Yoy'll risk death more with other forms of travel. Flying is the safest.
stfu about climate change you moron
Am I crazy or does it look as if the helicopter is aiming for the plane?!
yes
You're not crazy.
@@virginiaevelyn8278 That’s clear as day…
Well unless it emerges that the helicopter pilot went psycho or something, Let's hold off on irresponsible tin-foil-hat interpretations for the moment.
What’s weird is they have ATC communication where the helo confirms visual of the CRJ.
Interesting... The military clearly turned into the path of the commercial flight.
Nope...the chopper was flying straight the whole time. It was the plane coming down in elevation for a landing.
@@donkey3187 nope.... refer to the plane tracking history. There are you plenty of videos already analysing it. The chopper did a right 90, up to about 20 seconds or so before the impact. It was also at 400' elevation, when the max approved elevation in that zone is 200' for PAT helos.
I don't understand why the helicopter didn't avoid this. 😢 prayers for all the families.
Why didn't traffic control let the plane know?
On the road imagine an 18 wheeler trying to evade a motorbike. It would have been impossible to control that fast. That's exactly the same with the plane.
Hmmm…could it be because Trump fired 800 of them 8 days ago???
plane was focused on landing.
Traffic control asked if the helicopter had visual of the plane and told them to go behind it. There was no answer.
They did. And they told the helo to pass behind the jet. The jet probably thought the helo pilot was willing to follow ATC instructions. The jet most likely didn't know the helo had instructions from someone higher up than ATC.
Before any investigations into this horrible tragedy, our esteemed president started blaming DEI. Unbelievable.
Chopper was at fault.
I'm so sorry to all the families that lost there loved ones..Such a tragedy. We will miss them.❤🦋
Who was at the controls of the helicopter??? Were they in contact with air traffic control?
allegedly they were, becasue ATC could contact them
I’ve heard the ATC recordings from VHF and UHF levels, they were in contact with tower who double checked with the helo pilot that he had visual on the CRJ, but he must have been focusing on the wrong plane.
Yes, @blancolirio and @VASAviation have already posted this here on TH-cam.
@@LgSutterby The wrong plane? Even though ATC asked about the plane specifically and the PAT25 confirmed seeing the jet they collided with? Ok, sure.
You know that the aviation industry has been saying FOR YEARS that these incidents are inevitable because of how terrible our air practices are all these years later they havent evolved.
Many think it won't change until a huge catastrophic accident, like Tenerfie. I hope they're wrong....
i did not know they were saying that. care to link to some info outlining these sayings?
What hasn't evolved? You apparently don't know much about the modernization of ATC and aircraft navigation that took place since 2010. It doesnt matter how much it evolves, you can't take the human facter out of it. Whether it's the human that programs it or the human that flys it. Ultimately, there is a human somewhere.
Airplanes are really safe now. Human errors happen and not only humans, machines also malfuncion and there is gonna be an accident like this from time to time, but for every accident like this there is millions of safe flights.
Everything here sucks, immigration, citizenship, Healthcare, food quality.
@@12w0He is taking that out of Trumps play book! Just say something that nobody is talking about and say everyone is taking about it! Then boom! Everyone is talking about it! LOL! This dude probably works at Wendy’s and has no connection to the aviation industry! 😂😂
YALL REALLY THINK THIS WAS AN ACCIDENT WAKE UP 👁️
After the fires in Cali this happens. Tragedy after tragedy. This year started off wrong.
Something is going on for sure!?? Then fires here in Cali, the Tesla bombing at Trump tower in las Vegas on January 1 , the new Orleans massacre also Jan 1st, the mass deportations happening. Wtf 2025???
We live in a society of 350,000,000+. Terrible things are statistically guaranteed to happen.
trump in charge, why your surprised
@loganretamoza7134 wtf 2025 .
Yup, it started on a wednesday, witch means this year started with WTF. 😱😱
Pretty tough to sue the Government
If this wasnt intentional the incompetence needed by the helicopter pilot is staggering. That would imply he was so distracted, inside the airspace of a major international airport, he didnt see the plane until it was too late. Not that ATC did them any favors by not calling out their collision course. Such a tragedy.
I'm not ruling out intentional until they investigate fully
That flashing red "CA" on the ATC screen means collision alert. 1:22 The ATC knew they were on a collision course but didn't alter either aircraft's course but rather just ask the chopper pilots if they had the plane in sight. That would assume the copper pilots were seeing the plane ATC wanted them to see and not some other plane in this very busy airspace. That's how it appears to me anyways.
The ATC told them to go behind the plane...
The chopper shouldn't have been that high in the first place.
This happens TENS of THOUSANDS of times a day. Visual separation is a common and effective thing.
They may have "known" but that would have to be properly placed on the timeline of events. Which looks like it may have been about 3 seconds before the collision.
Who was on that plane? That looked like a hit!!
Safe to say they failed the night flight test?
it’s not safe anywhere now
That's what they want you to think. Live your life, nobody knows when their time is up. What should we do, cower in fear and never leave the house? No thanks
Never was, never will be. Driving is far more dangerous, but you don't realize it because you feel more in-control.
Might want to get your heart checked.
Beside that, best not to cheat death and end up on that list
The US figure skating team was on that plane.... absolutely horrific
Was it some kind of attack? 🤔
I'm not a pilot, but...why does it seem like it would be harder for two aircrafts to collide at what seemed like a perpendicular angle, in mid air, as one is also descending?
Looks intentional, we don't know if the military pilot went awol or hijacked the helicopter or was on a sleeper cell mission, let's hear the names of the crew on the helicopter, we had the ex military terrorists in New Orleans recently and the other ex military in Vegas and now this ...... someone needs to start taking a deeper look into this.
Exactly, we need to know who was on board that helicopter
Tower did not give altitude, location and bearings of incoming plane AS PER MANUAL. ATC fucked up bad. Possibly DEI hiring related.
I can see conspiracy theories rising from this soon. Like was the Blackhawk suddenly remotely taking over in the last seconds?
Actually it wasn't an American Airlines plane. It was a PSA airline regional aircraft. PSA is a wholly own subsidiary of American. Totally different pilot group. Helicopter was told about the PSA aircraft and he replied the aircraft was in sight and that he would maintain visual separation. Tower asked him again and he replied that he had him in sight. Tower then said to fly behind PSA.
Why are they doing training maneuvers near busy commercial airports!? Surely, there are some rural open spaces that are better suited!
Training the route to fly when they transport VIPs around DC. Unfortunately they failed to stay in the helicopter corridor which is below 200 feet on the far bank of the river. They appear to have been in the middle of the river at 300 feet.
becasue there is a military base across the street.....
the question is...who was on that plane?
Exactly My question. Sending a message? Or Whose families were they?
ice skaters
@@donkey3187from the sounds of it the ice skaters made up a small number of people on that plane. Unless I’ve been given incorrect numbers, there are many more victims as well and it’s really all devastating.🥺
Maybe you should listen to President Trump's response to it. He listed a few on board. Not just ice skaters.
My thoughts and prayers go out to everyone involved. This should have never happened! Im so very sorry!
God bless the families of these people that are no longer with us.
Not even ONE survivor???😢
4 survivors
@wearethedivineoneearth They said today no survivors. Last night they said 4. Maybe they passed from injuries?
@@pagirl8757Yes
@@pagirl8757 I hadn't heard that yet. Sad.
Thanks for the reply.
I like this anchor man. He has such a good demeanor for news reporting.
What a shame. Whoever screwed up needs to lose their job. Human errors like this should never happen. My sincere sympathy to everyone involved. 😢
Whoever screwed up lost their lives by the looks of it
they definitely lost their job alright
"What a shame?" NO, no, see....tearing your new shirt is a shame. This is horrific.
The heli pilot screwed up
And they doed for it along with dozens of innocents. We cant talk to them so we dont know but its suspected they were looking at a plane behing this plane, and didnt notice this one so close
The person ultimately responsible is dead, the helicopter pilot. They flew into the landing space of an incredibly busy commercial airport. Could have flown a quarter mile farther away at that altitude and been totally fine and out of danger.
What was the helicopter doing in the flight path. The tower should have seen it.
Why does a military helicopter have to fly at the same altitude and crossing a normal landing path while being that close to the airport?
They were supposed to have an operational ceiling of 200 feet, well under where the plane was coming in at. Seems they strayed since the collision happened at about 350 ft.
Well Skippy, thats what the investigation is going to find out.
Why did the helicopter turn and collide into the plane? Very strange!!!
Military helicopter at fault.
Tower did not give altitude, location and bearings of incoming plane AS PER MANUAL. Plane came on the side, impossible to see with night visions google. ATC fucked up bad. Possibly DEI hiring related.
Not very good training, if you ask me!!!😮
Maybe it's the exact opposite. Maybe they are really good at following orders.
@mimcduffee86 no because a expert knows what he's doing
Hold the military accountable 👎🏻👎🏻👎🏻🗑️🗑️🗑️ it’s their fault the should have never been in the sky to begin with
Nope, trump will put the blame on Biden.
Mil bas if 5 miles away. They both share same airspace. Mil pass there dozens of times a day, authorized by tower each time.
Tower did not give altitude, location and bearings of incoming plane AS PER MANUAL. ATC fucked up bad. Possibly DEI hiring related. We'll see.
First the drones and now this. The military is fucking around for sure.
who is in charge of the militairy in your country?
is that Trump or the cabal?
Sad Just Sad sending sincere condolences to all the families and friends of the victims
Attempting to land. Helicopter at fault. Pilot should be aware
Is it only January, and are we already experiencing such a high volume of unfortunate events?😢
only 11 days in charge and this happened.
People voted for Trump, people wanted a series of unfortunate events.
@@kamikeserpentail3778yes cause trump was totally in control of the plane or helicopter. stfu😂
@@kamikeserpentail3778was it Trump who made all the decisions in California that made the wildfires much worse?
@@kamikeserpentail3778Sure!! You have to say that because you don't have anything else to say!!
The military shouldn't have been flying at night, this was the fault of the helicopter if they couldn't see the airline.
They was doing a required annual night evaluation
The military shouldn’t have been flying at night? What an epic, asinine thing to say!
@@jeffmorton9220 I telling what TF the Defense secretary said
I don't know what to say😢I feel so bad 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 I really wish I prayed for them😭😭😭😭😭
And what would you praying have achieved for them?
Prayers for ALL FAMILIES.
The majority of people within the system don’t realize how flawed it is because it’s all they’ve ever known. In the U.S., air traffic control practices and regulatory allowances create unnecessary risks that would be considered unacceptable elsewhere.
Some American pilots argue that it's fine to switch their collision avoidance system to a less sensitive mode just to avoid minor alerts, even though those alerts are meant to help prevent midair crashes. Refusing to follow an alert simply because they have the traffic in sight, undermining the automated safety system designed to prevent midair collisions. Others accept visual separation at night-when even daytime visual separation carries inherent risks-or agree to late visual switches.
The fact that U.S. controllers find it acceptable to “slam dunk” a heavy jet, in uncontrolled VFR traffic, which is permitted within 500 feet of commercial operations-a level of proximity that is outright reckless-is just insane.
The structural flaws of the system extend beyond fixed-wing operations. A look at the helicopter route chart for Washington, D.C., shows that the Blackhawk involved in the recent incident was flying from Route 1 to Route 4-routes that literally require helicopters to pass underneath landing airliners on final approach to KDCA. The current configuration was a matter of "when," not "if."
I'm assuming that you're implying that the US is backwards in comparison to Europe? (You certainly can't be implying Asia, lol). You realize that the US fields more flights per day than any one European country sees in a year, right? It's a lot easier to implement some complex and unnecessary flight protocol when you have 200 flights per day, as opposed to the 50,000 flights per day the US sees in peak.
The fact that this is the first major crash the USA has seen in 15 years says a lot about the efficiency of the way we operate our airspace. We invented and pioneered aviation, and are still the recognized world leader in air travel, so quit trying to denigrate our ATC and pilots as though we operate at a deficiency compared to some unnamed, nonexistent "elsewhere" country.
You, thinking that 'helicopters passing under aircraft on final approach' is some great taboo that is inherently more risky than passing under aircraft at any other point in their flight, tells me all that I need to know about your understanding of aeronautics. In your world, no aircraft should ever pass over or under any other aircraft, which would limit us to about 1000 flights per day, at best, which might work for Belgium, but it won't work for the United States.
@@RockandrollNegro I'm studying aviation law, so I welcome the rebuttle. However, your argument relies on two main claims: (1) that the U.S. handles far more air traffic than Europe, making stricter protocols impractical, and (2) that the absence of a major crash in 15 years proves the system’s efficiency. However, both points overlook critical nuances.
First, volume alone does not justify lower safety standards. While it’s true that the U.S. manages more flights per day than any single European country, Europe as a whole handles a comparable amount of air traffic under stricter regulations without compromising efficiency. The argument that higher traffic volumes prevent safer practices assumes that efficiency and safety are mutually exclusive when, in reality, well-designed regulations enhance both. If complexity were the sole limiting factor, the U.S. wouldn’t lead in areas like NextGen ATC implementation.
Second, the “15 years without a major crash” argument is misleading. Aviation safety isn't just about avoiding catastrophic accidents but also about preventing near misses, midair incursions, and runway incidents. The FAA's own data shows a rising number of runway incursions and TCAS Resolution Advisories in U.S. airspace. A system that routinely relies on last-minute conflict resolution rather than proactive risk mitigation is not a model of efficiency-it’s a game of statistical luck.
Regarding helicopter routes, your dismissal of the concern misses the point. The issue isn’t whether aircraft should ever pass over or under each other but rather whether the specific traffic patterns in controlled airspace unnecessarily increase collision risks. The DCA helicopter corridor forces helicopters to fly directly beneath airliners on final approach, at low altitudes, in a congested urban environment. The fact that you compare this to routine over-and-under flight at cruising altitude suggests a misunderstanding of why this particular setup is problematic.
No one is arguing that the U.S. is "backwards" in aviation, nor that it should adopt Europe’s system wholesale. The point is that certain U.S. ATC practices-such as allowing uncontrolled VFR traffic within 500 feet of commercial operations, frequent “slam dunk” approaches, and questionable TCAS practices-are riskier than they need to be. Recognizing and addressing those risks isn’t an attack on U.S. aviation; it’s a call to make a strong system even better.
@@RockandrollNegro I'm studying aviation law, so I welcome you rebuttle. However, your argument relies on two main claims: (1) that the U.S. handles far more air traffic than Europe, making stricter protocols impractical, and (2) that the absence of a major crash in 15 years proves the system’s efficiency. However, both points overlook critical nuances.
First, volume alone does not justify lower safety standards. While it’s true that the U.S. manages more flights per day than any single European country, Europe as a whole handles a comparable amount of air traffic under stricter regulations without compromising efficiency. The argument that higher traffic volumes prevent safer practices assumes that efficiency and safety are mutually exclusive when, in reality, well-designed regulations enhance both. If complexity were the sole limiting factor, the U.S. wouldn’t lead in areas like NextGen ATC implementation.
Second, the “15 years without a major crash” argument is misleading. Aviation safety isn't just about avoiding catastrophic accidents but also about preventing near misses, midair incursions, and runway incidents. The FAA's own data shows a rising number of runway incursions and TCAS Resolution Advisories in U.S. airspace. A system that routinely relies on last-minute conflict resolution rather than proactive risk mitigation is not a model of efficiency-it’s a game of statistical luck.
Regarding helicopter routes, your dismissal of the concern misses the point. The issue isn’t whether aircraft should ever pass over or under each other but rather whether the specific traffic patterns in controlled airspace unnecessarily increase collision risks. The DCA helicopter corridor forces rotary-wing aircraft to fly directly beneath airliners on final approach, at low altitudes, in a congested urban environment. The fact that you compare this to routine over-and-under flight at cruising altitude suggests a misunderstanding of why this particular setup is problematic.
No one is arguing that the U.S. is "backwards" in aviation, nor that it should adopt Europe’s system wholesale. The point is that certain U.S. ATC practices-such as allowing uncontrolled VFR traffic within 500 feet of commercial operations, frequent “slam dunk” approaches, and questionable TCAS practices-are riskier than they need to be. Recognizing and addressing those risks isn’t an attack on U.S. aviation; it’s a call to make a strong system even better.
@@RockandrollNegro Im currently studying aviation law, so I welcome the rebuttal. However, your argument relies on two main claims: (1) that the U.S. handles far more air traffic than Europe, making stricter protocols impractical, and (2) that the absence of a major crash in 15 years proves the system’s efficiency. However, both points overlook critical nuances.
First, volume alone does not justify lower safety standards. While it’s true that the U.S. manages more flights per day than any single European country, Europe as a whole handles a comparable amount of air traffic under stricter regulations without compromising efficiency. The argument that higher traffic volumes prevent safer practices assumes that efficiency and safety are mutually exclusive when, in reality, well-designed regulations enhance both. If complexity were the sole limiting factor, the U.S. wouldn’t lead in areas like NextGen ATC implementation.
Second, the “15 years without a major crash” argument is misleading. Aviation safety isn't just about avoiding catastrophic accidents but also about preventing near misses, midair incursions, and runway incidents. The FAA's own data shows a rising number of runway incursions and TCAS Resolution Advisories in U.S. airspace. A system that routinely relies on last-minute conflict resolution rather than proactive risk mitigation is not a model of efficiency-it’s a game of statistical luck.
Regarding helicopter routes, your dismissal of the concern misses the point. The issue isn’t whether aircraft should ever pass over or under each other but rather whether the specific traffic patterns in controlled airspace unnecessarily increase collision risks. The DCA helicopter corridor forces rotary-wing aircraft to fly directly beneath airliners on final approach, at low altitudes, in a congested urban environment. The fact that you compare this to routine over-and-under flight at cruising altitude suggests a misunderstanding of why this particular setup is problematic.
No one is arguing that the U.S. is "backwards" in aviation, nor that it should adopt Europe’s system wholesale. The point is that certain U.S. ATC practices-such as allowing uncontrolled VFR traffic within 500 feet of commercial operations, frequent “slam dunk” approaches, and questionable TCAS practices-are riskier than they need to be. Recognizing and addressing those risks isn’t an attack on U.S. aviation; it’s a call to make a strong system even better.
@RockandrollNegro I welcome the rebuttle. However, your argument relies on two main claims: (1) that the U.S. handles far more air traffic than Europe, making stricter protocols impractical, and (2) that the absence of a major crash in 15 years proves the system’s efficiency. However, both points overlook critical nuances.
First, volume alone does not justify lower safety standards. While it’s true that the U.S. manages more flights per day than any single European country, Europe as a whole handles a comparable amount of air traffic under stricter regulations without compromising efficiency. The argument that higher traffic volumes prevent safer practices assumes that efficiency and safety are mutually exclusive when, in reality, well-designed regulations enhance both. If complexity were the sole limiting factor, the U.S. wouldn’t lead in areas like NextGen ATC implementation.
Second, the “15 years without a major crash” argument is misleading. Aviation safety isn't just about avoiding catastrophic accidents but also about preventing near misses, midair incursions, and runway incidents. The FAA's own data shows a rising number of runway incursions and TCAS Resolution Advisories in U.S. airspace. A system that routinely relies on last-minute conflict resolution rather than proactive risk mitigation is not a model of efficiency-it’s a game of statistical luck.
Regarding helicopter routes, your dismissal of the concern misses the point. The issue isn’t whether aircraft should ever pass over or under each other but rather whether the specific traffic patterns in controlled airspace unnecessarily increase collision risks. The DCA helicopter corridor forces rotary-wing aircraft to fly directly beneath airliners on final approach, at low altitudes, in a congested urban environment. The fact that you compare this to routine over-and-under flight at cruising altitude suggests a misunderstanding of why this particular setup is problematic.
No one is arguing that the U.S. is "backwards" in aviation, nor that it should adopt Europe’s system wholesale. The point is that certain U.S. ATC practices-such as allowing uncontrolled VFR traffic within 500 feet of commercial operations, frequent “slam dunk” approaches, and questionable TCAS practices-are riskier than they need to be. Recognizing and addressing those risks isn’t an attack on U.S. aviation; it’s a call to make a strong system even better.
Can you imagine witnessing this in real time?
I dont think it makes any difference real time vs 30 minutes later on a video. Its just as horrible either way.
Arm chair quarterback comments here, as per usual! That AA was approaching at probably 130 knots = 150mph. At these speeds, circumstances happen rapidly. The Black Hawk helicopter in the video is traveling fast also, and without seeing the descending plane, it would be easy, unfortunately to hit the passenger jet. Plus, the original video shows a jet taking off in the path of both, in the opposite direction, and the BH crew might have mistaken that plane for the AA jet that the the air traffic controller warned them about. Only time will figure it out. But, on a positive note, it was a miracle both crashed into the Potomac, because there would more than likely be, additional casualties in that populated area, from the falling flaming debris. *R.i.P. & God Bless the victims.
ATC asked if they saw the CRJ. PAT25 confirmed they saw it. It wasn't confusion like you're trying to claim.
@@mimcduffee86 They mistaken plane in front of them for the CRJ, they had no idea tower was talking about another plane. Tower did not give altitude, location and bearings of incoming plane AS PER MANUAL. Helo maintained visual contact with plane in front of them and had no idea of the second incoming plane. ATC fucked up bad. Possibly DEI hiring related.
@ I never stated confusion, everything is amateur speculation at this point. Mistaken and confusion are two separate meanings.
May God bless all those souls involved in this tragic crash.
Why didnt god help them avoid the crash?
bad news always sells, and this should have never happened. we can always put the blame on someone else. The military is aware of what they are doing. They travel everywhere and everyday. it's not like someone new traveling. There should be more safety precautions to happen when people aboard an airplane.
How does the military not know what they are doing?
how you gonna put ads on this and make money from it
They’re providing a free service sharing the news. Regular news channels do this on tv all the time