Yes! And also in Sense and Sensibility where Elinor says, Do you compare your conduct with his? And Marianne says, No, I compare it with what it ought to have been--I compare it with yours.
The whole confession came right from the book, it made the book came to live and the expressions were so spot on, this version of Emma is truly very close to my heart like no other.
I like all the other "Mr Knightly" versions equally well. However, Mark Strong's "Mr Knightly," in looks, bearing and voice delivery seems to me most like Jane Austen's vision of the character as she wrote him.
This would be my favorite version of Emma if it wasn't for the "I held you in my arms when you where three weeks old" line. What a way to make a scene turn from romantic to yikes
Haha I came here to post EXACTLY that! I love Mark Strong, he is such a fantastic actor, and it was going so well until then, that line is creepy as hell -- mind, I think it may be in the book (I haven't reread it in a while), but it isn't the age difference that's troubling, it's exactly that, the having known her as a child!!! Yikes, as you say...
"I held you in my arms when you where three weeks old" means in plane modern English " I have known you and loved you your whole life ".. Very 18th century way of writing.
Yeah he was 16 then...most regency couples had a certain age difference even if I personally find this one a bit too much 😂 I think Darcy and Lizzy also had an age difference of 7-8 years or so🙄 can't really be helped when ladies were "out" in society and encouraged to marry at 17 or even earlier while gentleman married much later
I'm sorry but i laughed so hard when she asked him if he loved her as well now as he did when she was a baby. yes but hopefully he didn't wanna get down with you when you were a baby, emma.
He didn't? The point of that cringe line IS that Mr Knightley is very, very far removed from a romantic hero. He's the polar opposite of Frank Churchill who can charm just about anyone LMAO Mr Knightley is saying, very badly that he knew she would be beloved to him the moment he saw her as a baby. It was a deep, platonic love. They didn't know when, but that changed into romantic love as they both fell in love with each other.
@@winterblossom9546 He said it as an irony, dear. It is very clear that he fell in love with her as an adult woman, so much so that he was not aware until Frank Churchill returned.
That line ruined it for me. How creepy to kiss a girl you just said you remember holding as a baby lmao. And that line is NOT in the book so no one @ me lmao
“It was badly done, indeed! You, whom she had known from an infant, whom she had seen grow up from a period when her notice was an honour, to have you now, in thoughtless spirits, and the pride of the moment, laugh at her, humble her-and before her niece, too-and before others, many of whom (certainly some,) would be entirely guided by your treatment of her.-This is not pleasant to you, Emma-and it is very far from pleasant to me; but I must, I will,-I will tell you truths while I can.”
@@kimquinn7728 I have just read the book now again. And I was reading "Pride and Predjudice" the other day. As a Swede I have some trouble with the language though. I even started with Emily Brontes "Wuthering Heights" but it proved too difficult to follow because of the dialects so I have to read it in Swedish. I love to read instead of staring into a smartphone.....
@@dubbelhenke854 I so agree. My eye sight isn't what it was so sometimes it's hard and I do use ebooks from time to time. Nothing beats the weight of words bound and in my hands. Appreciate your reply.🌻
@@dubbelhenke854 Bronte is moody and self indulgent; Austen is sharp and witty and humerous. Have you ever read any of Thomas Hardy? There is resignation in his books. Sadness. Such beauty also. My two favorite are Far From The Madding Crowd and Tess, of the D'Urbervilles. He describes the settings, countryside, seasons, people with absolute perfection and each one becomes another character. It may sound odd, but, I am glad he sleeps and waits for an awakening, he had a sad life. He needs to understand the ....not joy...the beauty that his work brings to people.
i think you misunderstood his meaning.... I think what he was trying to say is that sometimes the things you keep looking for in life, in this case love/a partner, have been standing right in front of you the whole time and you were too blind to notice... he basically meant that he never expected to fall in love with her because he has known her since she was a baby... but in the end you can't control who you fall for. They are not related or anything so I don't see how that's creepy.
Kind of what Dorothy meant when she said "If I ever go looking for my hearts desire again I won't go looking for it any further than my own back yard." Sometimes we can't see what is right in front of us clear as day.
pookasky - I have to disagree with you, it does give a creepy feeling. Maybe back in Austen’s day when women married much older men it would have made some sense, but I think that line should be left out of modern adaptations.
@@dallasjones8185 But this is a story that is sunk in a different era. To change these things would not be the work of Jane Austen. Instead of people needing to constantly change things to make them current so that it fits their own standard, people need to, instead, write their own stories. Isn't this supposed to be a 'modern, enlightened time' we live in? Are people's sensibilities so fragile that they can't project themselves for two hours into a different life, a different set of morals without being scandalized? Offended? This story isn't about women today. It is the era of Austen.
I think it's fine as long as he doesn't keep pulling out the baby photos when company comes over. That could get tiresome for her at the dinner parties.
А мне Эмма нравится. Она, на самом деле, очень добрая и готова осознать свои ошибки, хоть и не без помощи Найтли, и сделать всё, что может, чтобы их исправить. Мне нравится, что она готова меняться, расти над собой. Она способна честно оценить достоинства других и свои недостатки. Очень хорошая девушка, на самом деле. И да, Джордж Найтли , возможно, лучший из всех главных мужских персонажей Джейн Остин. Впрочем, полковник Брендон тоже близок к Найтли.
@@samhart4205 On another YT post "Which Emma Is better 1996 or 2020" I posted this, from which you can tell I didn't like the 2020 version. Something appealing, something appalling. Something for everyone, a comedy all right! .... Poor Mr. Knightly, he will be a miserable man (to quote him referring to Jane!).....But here the humor stops. So much for mean girls. He will be hen-pecked and pussy-whipped until he no longer remembers who he is. He will descend from puzzlement to unhappiness, from hurt to sourness, and finally to silence and withdrawal, his only defenses, finding stoical solace in his farming and men friends. Mr Knightly and Mr. Elton will become friends (having so much in common) and play cards at the Crown weekly along with other disaffected husbands to escape their wives. Including farmer Martin who married that stupid twit of a Harriet, which he will shortly come to regret.. This Emma and Augusta are two of a kind, sharp and selfish. She is only more well mannered than Augusta, and hides is better. Claws and hat pins en garde.
@@Missmethinksalot1 Yes, the 2020 version set that off. When I was in school the snippy cute girls who prissed around putting other people down grew up to become ball breakers. I'm now 74 and have seen this play out over and over again. I have really enjoyed all the other Emma's and all the other verisons, rewrites and all. I think this version was set too high in the social scale and it skewed other things. The basis of the humor in the book is that these are middle class people some of whom are putting on pretensions :-) Mr Woodhouse was a simple country gentleman with little land and no aristocratic connections. My Knightly, while landed, did not have a great estate and his house was an "old manor with one or two good rooms." Still, I enjoyed the settings and I love period clothes, and obviously so did the director. It was interesting to watch her choices unfold in setting, characterizations, and screenplay.
I know, I mean I was a history major, that age gaps were normal in Austen's era that would get some raised eyebrows now (at least outside of Hollywood). But the, "I held you in my arms when you were 3 weeks old", just takes me out of the romance. Granted, he could have been 9yrs old (such as Prince Philip in SLEEPING BEAUTY having been ten-ish looking when be brings a Christening gift to baby Aurora), but the way he says it, I always get the impression he was fairly grown, if not fully grown up at the time. Still my favourite version of EMMA.
With the new 2020 Emma, I've been rewatching all the previous versions and this scene. My favorite is still Jeremy northam as Mr. Knightley and Mark strong is my 2nd favorite. Johnny Lee Miller and Johnny Flynn look so baby faces to Me that it's distracting. At least to me.And Johnny Flynn is actually in the same age range as the actual character. Nothing against their actual performance. It's just my opinion.
Actors that play Jane Austen 's male characters need to ooze masculinity, Jeremy Northam, Mark Strong, Colin Firth, Ciarán Hinds, they fit right in . Her books are elaborate female fantasies and we don't care for soy boys.
the 2020 Emma is my favourite but I already am quite impartial to Johnny Flynn, and I like that they don't seem as far apart in age. I understand in other versions and the book it is a larger factor in the story.
"Imust tell you ,what you will not ask................. I am LORD BLACKWOOD !! the nemesis of Sherlock Holmes ,who cannot kill me ,as I am also the space alien trying to kill John Carter!!
It's the very fact that she grew up with him that makes it weird, he's like an older brother. It's the closeness that makes people siblings not so much as blood relation. It's the same as Return to the Blue Lagoon.
@@arckocsog253 That sounds almost incestuous. Most normal people resist such impulses so I hope you did because though you may have been a minor at the time you may have set up a sexual behaviour that later could lead to a far more serious criminal situation. The family home is supposed to be a sexually safe place for children - that is part of marriage. I know a man who revealed to me one day that he and his younger brother had been used and sexually abused by his older sister when they were 7 and 9 years of age. He broke down and cried that day and asked me if he had committed incest. It had bothered him for years poor guy - he was 60 when he told me about it. It affected his relationship with his sister and with women. I told him that his sister, who was around 13/14 years of age, had acted in an untrustworthy manner considering she was often left in charge of the two little boys and that she had betrayed everyone's trust. The two little boys were blameless at that age - "stranger danger" is not always the problem but weak parenting can be. Sexual abuse of minors is not uncommon among women, we are now just beginning to talk about that behaviour, even little girls are now at risk from female teachers because lesbianism is being encouraged. Young boys have usually been the target. I hope that if you ever become a mother that you will supervise your children and make sure that they play in similar age groups. Older children can try to take all sorts of advantage over the younger ones at times. Good supervision and educational parenting protects children from early abuses. It probably now depends on the values people are being taught - seems we have none any more.
In that comment which is NOT in the book there is no mention of what age he was when Emma was born or that he was there with her throughout her whole younger life - in the book there is a comment of his feeling beginning when she is 13. Most men in that era had to go elsewhere to make a living depending on the families financial situation and their education. The more the feminists alter and "adapt" these stories the greater the mess they make of fun and romance. This is where we are now.
Shut up you guys! This was perfectly done and it's truly the best version of emma out there! It's the best cuz it's actually faithful to the book & well acted out! The other ones failed to deliver cuz of their weak acting that comes off as too scripted but actually they didn't even followed the script! They freakin' changed it! Badly done! Plus they lacked real emotion which is not good! They're just meh and weren't selling it for me. Kate Beckinsale & Mark Strong, however, are far more believable as Emma & Mr. Knightley and did the characters justice by portraying them exactly as they were in the book! So kudos to them for actually following the script & doing it right! Oh, and thanks to the uploader of these videos! :)
Though this version of Emma isn't my favourite I actually thought this scene was done quite well (I do wish they would have removed the line "I held you in my arms when you were 3 weeks old" from being said right before the kiss, though) I preferred this scene to Jeremy Northam/Gywneth Paltrow's one but yes I do agree with you in terms of Johnny Lee Miller being the best Knightley and I have to say that I love Romola Garai's Emma :)
I have watched all the versions of Emma and find that the 2020 version is the closest to the book. Emma is a comedy with eccentric characters. Emma is a meddling snob at first and Mr. Knightly is the only one who corrects her behavior and she respects him and becomes a better person for it. The 2020 version is the best in showing the annoying Emma, the others try to make her more likeable. As far as Mr. Knightly goes, I find Jeremy N. the worst actor of them all. When he confesses his love you can see him acting, it looks so fake. If you watch all versions of this scene you will see it. I like Johnny Flynn best because he has comedic scenes that the others don’t have and his dance scene with Emma is intense.
🤷🏻♀️ I have to disagree. After I read the book, I immediately watched the movies. I watched the 2020 version first, but this version (with Kate Beckinsale) is the most faithful to the book.
I don’t think this version (1996 ITV) makes her more likable. Instead, as a reader/viewer knowing everything, we already recognize Emma’s unlikability... and since Kate’s portrayal of Emma’s unlikability is less painfully obvious than Anya’s, I can better understand how anyone in Highbury could receive Emma into their homes and be her friend. And _Highbury society_ don’t see it because Emma’s unlikability isn’t on the surface like a wart on her face. If it were so obvious, like Anya’s portrayal in the 2020 movie-her body language alone would make an outsider think she’s not a nice girl-then why would anyone in Highbury accept her as a friend? Mrs. Bates wasn’t comfortable around her, only _after_ Emma was so plainly rude to her. So it’s clear, Emma was a bit likable on the outside, except for when she used her sharp tongue and spoke not-so-kind thoughts.
@@lauriebriggs9705 I disagree. I find her very confident in this version. Did you not see the Box Hill scene, for instance? Nobody without confidence could behave like that. Or when she met Frank Churchill? As someone without confidence, I could never meet and talk with a stranger like that. She only knew him for what, less than one day, a few hours, and they’re already acting like friends? Being so open like that with a new acquaintance, that’s confidence! But she isn’t supposed to be confident _all the time,_ or did you forget when Mr. Knightley scolded her for being rude to Ms. Bates. She lost her confidence temporarily, feeling so ashamed of herself that she willingly walked to visit her. She learns her lesson in behaving so superior to Ms. Bates. Outgoing? She is! You must be joking by saying she isn’t. Kate’s Emma is unreserved, communicative, open, and socially confident-the definition of the word “outgoing,” look it up! If you think her Emma isn’t like that, what do you think of Jane Fairfax? She’s reserved, the antonym of outgoing. Kate’s Emma isn’t like Jane, and Jane isn’t like Emma here-and if you can’t see that, then fix your definition of what “outgoing” looks like.
@@winterblossom9546 Emma's personality was constrained by manners and etiquette of her time. Etiquette was merely a set of rules between people of good society. Not just hvng money but being in same strata, that's why difficult for people without the right connections to be accepted when trying to better themselves. Etiquette comes from french word for ticket to private gatherings must show the invitation. Difference between private n public assemblies. Eg Northanger Abbey. The master of ceremonies at public functions wld make suitable introductions.
@@ffeff8353 He knew that he would see Emma as someone as close as loveable to him for all his life. He had a deep, platonic, love and attachment to her. The point he was making, is, it changed into a romantic love without them both realising. With time, they both fell in love with each other.
@@samhart4205 -- yeah, I get the point. I got it from the start, it's spelled out in the book itself. I love the book, I don't have a problem with the age gap, I don't have a problem with them knowing each other, I DO find it somewhat creepy that a parental-type relationship "evolves" into a romantic one. There is a fundamental imbalance of power there that I (and many others) find concerning. That's it. I'm done explaining, we are all going to believe what we want to believe (though naturally I am right, hahaha)!
@@ffeff8353 Well..that depends how you see their relationship from the get go LMAO Mr Knightley was always the "friend" not the parental surrogate in the situation LOL Mr W turned out to be a better father and their governess was a better mother than expected. Mr Knightley was therefore more like the older friend who knew all her embarrassing secrets LMAO Their was no parental/sibling void to be filled in Emma's life. Everyone EXPECTED her to be lonely, moody girl without a mother but she had a great support system. Mr Knightley therefore, assumed a role of a friend in her life other than anything else. To me, it made sense. They were never "brother, and sister" LMAO But everyone interprets differently 😊😂
This was a story of its time. I try my best to ignore the squick factor it now has in current times. I don't think it's the age gap that bothers me in their case. What makes me cringe is that Mr. Knightley was very present in Emma's childhood. When you've held a baby, played with them, and taught them, the only kind of love you should be feeling for them is familial love. Having it cross over into romantic love is creepy.
I get it I do, but that's what makes the dynamic. People tend to forget, that even though Mr Knightley wasn't living in house with the Woodhouses he was still on their minds. If the story had to be updated the closest thing would be if Mr Knightley lived next door or in neighbourhood and as a friend watched her grow up. He had great affection for her and her well being. Yes, he was older than her but somehow still managed to connect to her and steer her away from trouble with his advice. They were friends first, and lovers only after Mr Knightley realised she was not the little girl he saw grow up. She was an adult without either of them realising. Frank Churchill's arrival was the catalyst for Mr Knightley to realise his love for her was romantic and that Emma was now capable of forming "serious attachment" to suitors and men. It was like an ugly duckling transformation in rom coms that happens 😂 Personally I believe that fans can't connect to this dynamic because they have a hard time modernising it. Society has changed alot since then. Friends and family would have to watch you grow up as social class determined your place in society and of course your company.
@@samhart4205 Yes, I understand the dynamic between Emma and Mr. Knightley. You put it beautifully into words. It really is one of Austen's best novels. I immerse myself in the story and get taken along for the ride as Mr. Knightley's perception of Emma changes and she realizes her love for him. But once the novel is over, and my modern sensibilities kick back in, I will forever have a small urge to cringe. Given that he has lectured her and scolded her and she has born it as no other woman would have... it teeters on the edges of child grooming. Obviously it ISN'T because he never saw her that way when she was a child. I very much know that he was NOT grooming her. Yet because he was so present in her childhood, he essentially though unintentionally helped raise the perfect wife for himself.
@@JNEsco Thanks 😊 It's definitely one of my favourite novels of her too. Although Emma isn't likeable as Anne or Lizzie the other heroines she still can be understood by the reader. She's more obviously flawed which I love about her. She's such a loud personality, even though she's civil in an uptight society. Yes, I find it hard to digest a few things myself. Mr Knightley was so present in her life as a friend, family member and she had no trouble accepting the role change. Emma didn't seem to fight it in the book neither does Mr Knightley. Mr Knightley's pov is generally scarcely shown apart from being a steady influence in her life. He has no other romantic interests as an older gentleman of fortune making me wonder how subconscious was his love for Emma? To me, I don't think Austen intended for the dynamic to be, that Mr Knightley had purposefully written as though he was waiting for Emma..it's still a possibility though. I mean..it is a gender swap to some degree as to the lonely girl, waiting for her jock best friend to realise she's the one. Or even the guy bff waiting for his best friend to look twice at him. Sweet, but still at some point intentional.
I just can’t get over his being there practically when she was born, raising her in manners like a father, and then wanting to marry her. Like a cult leader! Ugh.
i just watched the 2009 version and now this, and it's like there's barely any emotions in this scene lol. i way prefer the Romola Garai-Jonny Lee Miller version!!
Romola's Emma was too modern! She is supposed to be upper class, and proper. I just couldn't not see her as a modern girl throughout the whole series. And she never had her hair properly done, the lower class ladies had proper curls and she didn't, when Emma lives in a huge estate and is supposed to have maids to take care of her. (Face palm).
Romola is my favorite Emma; she retained likability despite her meddling and unconscious snobbery. Jeremy Northam, though, is by far my favorite Knightley!
I do not agree: Jonny Lee Miller was a DISASTER as Knightley. JLM is boring, lifeless, tasteless. Mark Strong's portrayal of Mr Knightley is more faithful to the book; and Northam is simply irresistible, and his Mr Knightley is so handsome and funny and cool.
Indeed...this is my least favourite adaption of the three I have seen because of the lack of intimacy and chemistry displayed here. The 1996 movie version is *very* good with the lovely Jeremy Northam :) but my favourite has to be the 2009 version with THE best portrayl of Mr Knightley, Jonny Lee Miller and his chemistry with Romola Garia.
Not, really? Mr Knightley may have wanted to be her, her surrogate father/brother but he was relegated to her "friend." Mr Woodhouse, may be a fussy man, but he was very involved in the details of his daughter's upbringing. The dude, was downright paranoid on that issue.
I didn't like this version very much. It does have some interesting parts in it at the end that are NOT in the other two. My favorite scene of all 3 that I know of is the several hour one..can't remember the name of the actress...when they are dancing together and each are so TREMENDOUSLY happy and don't ...quite...know...why...yet. ;) LOVE IT.
It's only ackward because we marry today when people are still childish. It was not unusual then for their to be large gaps in age. Marriage was about so much more than sexual chemistry. It's important but so is maturity, a balanced sense of honor, loyalty, responsibility, integrity. People don't look for these qualities today. Today, it's "I'm 15+. I have rights. I can have sex cuz he or she is sooo cute!. Hot. etc." No job? "We'll make it work." You hate to do chores like clean your own room, dishes, laundry? Help out? "It's different. It will be our own place." You're sexual active and still in school? Can't manage to do your homework and the teachers, principals or parents are too restrictive? "I'm pregnant!......"I'm pregnant, I made a mistake." I think Knightly grew to love her by watching her become the woman she grew to be. A lady. A designation people, especially women, fail to appreciate today.
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ok I think he is one of the few actors that can say 'abominable scoundrel' and actually sound angry without yelling.
I have always considered "It was badly done Emma, badly done indeed" to be a great moment in Jane Austen's writings.
Yes! And also in Sense and Sensibility where Elinor says, Do you compare your conduct with his? And Marianne says, No, I compare it with what it ought to have been--I compare it with yours.
""yes, his misfortunes have been great indeed"" Is another of my favorites
My favorite Knightly, my favorite Emma. My favorite adaptation of this beloved book!
Juonithz Ramos I absolutely agree.
Same here.It was my first so it will be my favourite forever.Even if the ending isn't as romantic as the others .
Me, too!
Agreed!
Totally agree! ❤️❤️❤️
The whole confession came right from the book, it made the book came to live and the expressions were so spot on, this version of Emma is truly very close to my heart like no other.
Mine too. its my favourite version
@@AmidalaEmma which one is your favourite Jane Austin novel? Or favourite novel in general? And who is your favourite author?
It’s the best and every word believable others I have soon it’s like there reading from an autocue
Loooooove Mark Strong as Mr Knightley! He's got such beautiful and loving eyes!
He does, doesn't he? He is of course very handsome, but those eyes are to die for!
Yes. He isn't pretty. He's real.
Mines Johnny Lee Miller
He's my favourite Mr Knightley.
I love that back then it was considered reprehensible for a man even to falsely lead a woman on.
"I held you in my arms when you were three weeks old." This part is where they lose me. 😆
Yeah, that’s a little creepy 😳
Maybe Austen had a thing for older men? That's kind of a running trend in her books.
He would only have been about 10. Not so creepy, eh?
@@lillianfoulkes4084 he is 16 years older than Emma
@@glen7318 thanks.
I like all the other "Mr Knightly" versions equally well. However, Mark Strong's "Mr Knightly," in looks, bearing and voice delivery seems to me most like Jane Austen's vision of the character as she wrote him.
The best Knightley ever!
Totally agree!! I love this version of Knightley!
I actually liked Johnny Flynn's portrayal of Mr Knightly.
That’s Jeremy Northam, to my mind. “Marry me, my wonderful, darling friend!”
This is my favorite Emma by far.
Superb acting best yet, how did I miss this version
The best version with the best actors.
One of my favorite versions of Jane Austen’s, Emma!
I love me some Mr Strong . He has the greatest eyes and voice! So great to see him get the girl
Best Mr. Knightley. I love Mark Strong!
This would be my favorite version of Emma if it wasn't for the "I held you in my arms when you where three weeks old" line. What a way to make a scene turn from romantic to yikes
Same!
Haha I came here to post EXACTLY that! I love Mark Strong, he is such a fantastic actor, and it was going so well until then, that line is creepy as hell -- mind, I think it may be in the book (I haven't reread it in a while), but it isn't the age difference that's troubling, it's exactly that, the having known her as a child!!! Yikes, as you say...
"I held you in my arms when you where three weeks old" means in plane modern English " I have known you and loved you your whole life ".. Very 18th century way of writing.
@@bluemandarin701 Still creepy.
@@ffeff8353 yes it is if you do have creepy experience, notion, knowledge to put in modern time sexual context
This is my favourite version by far 😍🥰
Mark Strong is such a good actor. I loved him in tinker tailor soldier spy.
he: "I held you in my arms when were 3 weeks old"
me watching: 👁👄👁
Same!!!o.o
Yeah he was 16 then...most regency couples had a certain age difference even if I personally find this one a bit too much 😂 I think Darcy and Lizzy also had an age difference of 7-8 years or so🙄 can't really be helped when ladies were "out" in society and encouraged to marry at 17 or even earlier while gentleman married much later
Don't read the bible, because that happened all the time.
Two Great Actors ❤️🙏❤️
Mark Strong is so much stronger here than in any of his villain roles...sorry Jaguar!
I'm sorry but i laughed so hard when she asked him if he loved her as well now as he did when she was a baby. yes but hopefully he didn't wanna get down with you when you were a baby, emma.
He didn't? The point of that cringe line IS that Mr Knightley is very, very far removed from a romantic hero. He's the polar opposite of Frank Churchill who can charm just about anyone LMAO Mr Knightley is saying, very badly that he knew she would be beloved to him the moment he saw her as a baby. It was a deep, platonic love. They didn't know when, but that changed into romantic love as they both fell in love with each other.
In the book, Mr. Knightley told Emma that he fell in love with her when she was 13 (he would’ve been 29 at that time).
@@winterblossom9546 He said it as an irony, dear. It is very clear that he fell in love with her as an adult woman, so much so that he was not aware until Frank Churchill returned.
That line ruined it for me. How creepy to kiss a girl you just said you remember holding as a baby lmao. And that line is NOT in the book so no one @ me lmao
I guess it would seem strange in this society where everything has to be sexual, and where sexuality is so confused.
“It was badly done, indeed! You, whom she had known from an infant, whom she had seen grow up from a period when her notice was an honour, to have you now, in thoughtless spirits, and the pride of the moment, laugh at her, humble her-and before her niece, too-and before others, many of whom (certainly some,) would be entirely guided by your treatment of her.-This is not pleasant to you, Emma-and it is very far from pleasant to me; but I must, I will,-I will tell you truths while I can.”
The writing is such quality. Today language is so dumbed down, full of slang and curses. This is a joy to read.
@@kimquinn7728 I have just read the book now again. And I was reading "Pride and Predjudice" the other day. As a Swede I have some trouble with the language though. I even started with Emily Brontes "Wuthering Heights" but it proved too difficult to follow because of the dialects so I have to read it in Swedish. I love to read instead of staring into a smartphone.....
@@dubbelhenke854 I so agree. My eye sight isn't what it was so sometimes it's hard and I do use ebooks from time to time. Nothing beats the weight of words bound and in my hands. Appreciate your reply.🌻
@@dubbelhenke854 Bronte is moody and self indulgent; Austen is sharp and witty and humerous. Have you ever read any of Thomas Hardy? There is resignation in his books. Sadness. Such beauty also. My two favorite are Far From The Madding Crowd and Tess, of the D'Urbervilles. He describes the settings, countryside, seasons, people with absolute perfection and each one becomes another character. It may sound odd, but, I am glad he sleeps and waits for an awakening, he had a sad life. He needs to understand the ....not joy...the beauty that his work brings to people.
@@kimquinn7728 I haven't. I saw the movie "Far from the madding crowd" many years ago.
gosh, kate beckinsale so young...time flys^^ but in her case it took a little break^^ she still looks stunning^^
This version of Emma is the very best!
The new Emma movie... she had a nosebleed... hahaha! I haven’t watched this version yet... i like this more!!! 😍😍😍
i think you misunderstood his meaning.... I think what he was trying to say is that sometimes the things you keep looking for in life, in this case love/a partner, have been standing right in front of you the whole time and you were too blind to notice... he basically meant that he never expected to fall in love with her because he has known her since she was a baby... but in the end you can't control who you fall for. They are not related or anything so I don't see how that's creepy.
Kind of what Dorothy meant when she said "If I ever go looking for my hearts desire again I won't go looking for it any further than my own back yard." Sometimes we can't see what is right in front of us clear as day.
pookasky - I have to disagree with you, it does give a creepy feeling. Maybe back in Austen’s day when women married much older men it would have made some sense, but I think that line should be left out of modern adaptations.
@@dallasjones8185 But this is a story that is sunk in a different era. To change these things would not be the work of Jane Austen. Instead of people needing to constantly change things to make them current so that it fits their own standard, people need to, instead, write their own stories. Isn't this supposed to be a 'modern, enlightened time' we live in? Are people's sensibilities so fragile that they can't project themselves for two hours into a different life, a different set of morals without being scandalized? Offended? This story isn't about women today. It is the era of Austen.
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I think it's fine as long as he doesn't keep pulling out the baby photos when company comes over. That could get tiresome for her at the dinner parties.
My favorite Austen hero, George Knightly. I think I like Emma best as far as learning about the British life and character.
А мне Эмма нравится. Она, на самом деле, очень добрая и готова осознать свои ошибки, хоть и не без помощи Найтли, и сделать всё, что может, чтобы их исправить. Мне нравится, что она готова меняться, расти над собой. Она способна честно оценить достоинства других и свои недостатки. Очень хорошая девушка, на самом деле. И да, Джордж Найтли , возможно, лучший из всех главных мужских персонажей Джейн Остин. Впрочем, полковник Брендон тоже близок к Найтли.
Absolutely my favourite by far!!!!!!
"I held you in my arms when you were just 3 weeks old." Now that's just a little fucked up
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Depends what you took from that line LMAO
you made me LOL.
It was a different time
Yeah... very strange especially in 2020...
Mark Strong has such huge eyes. He looks like a hawk.
Kate Beckinsale looked stunning here..but who would have guessed 24 years later she'd become one of the most beautiful women on the planet?
What a great Mr. Knightly.
Absolutely agreed. So underrated 😔❤
@@samhart4205 On another YT post "Which Emma Is better 1996 or 2020" I posted this, from which you can tell I didn't like the 2020 version. Something appealing, something appalling. Something for everyone, a comedy all right! .... Poor Mr. Knightly, he will be a miserable man (to quote him referring to Jane!).....But here the humor stops. So much for mean girls. He will be hen-pecked and pussy-whipped until he no longer remembers who he is. He will descend from puzzlement to unhappiness, from hurt to sourness, and finally to silence and withdrawal, his only defenses, finding stoical solace in his farming and men friends. Mr Knightly and Mr. Elton will become friends (having so much in common) and play cards at the Crown weekly along with other disaffected husbands to escape their wives. Including farmer Martin who married that stupid twit of a Harriet, which he will shortly come to regret.. This Emma and Augusta are two of a kind, sharp and selfish. She is only more well mannered than Augusta, and hides is better. Claws and hat pins en garde.
He's great. I never could adjust to Arnold Schwartzenegger as Mr. Knightly even though he's very rugged & dashing.
@@cs3742 oh wow that was extremely depressing to read. Was it triggered by the 2020 version or ... ?
@@Missmethinksalot1 Yes, the 2020 version set that off. When I was in school the snippy cute girls who prissed around putting other people down grew up to become ball breakers. I'm now 74 and have seen this play out over and over again. I have really enjoyed all the other Emma's and all the other verisons, rewrites and all. I think this version was set too high in the social scale and it skewed other things. The basis of the humor in the book is that these are middle class people some of whom are putting on pretensions :-) Mr Woodhouse was a simple country gentleman with little land and no aristocratic connections. My Knightly, while landed, did not have a great estate and his house was an "old manor with one or two good rooms." Still, I enjoyed the settings and I love period clothes, and obviously so did the director. It was interesting to watch her choices unfold in setting, characterizations, and screenplay.
The best Emma by leaps and bounds.
I know, I mean I was a history major, that age gaps were normal in Austen's era that would get some raised eyebrows now (at least outside of Hollywood). But the, "I held you in my arms when you were 3 weeks old", just takes me out of the romance. Granted, he could have been 9yrs old (such as Prince Philip in SLEEPING BEAUTY having been ten-ish looking when be brings a Christening gift to baby Aurora), but the way he says it, I always get the impression he was fairly grown, if not fully grown up at the time.
Still my favourite version of EMMA.
He should be the next James Bond or his villain
With the new 2020 Emma, I've been rewatching all the previous versions and this scene. My favorite is still Jeremy northam as Mr. Knightley and Mark strong is my 2nd favorite. Johnny Lee Miller and Johnny Flynn look so baby faces to Me that it's distracting. At least to me.And Johnny Flynn is actually in the same age range as the actual character. Nothing against their actual performance. It's just my opinion.
I must say Jeremy Northam is my favourite as well, but all the others are also very good.
Actors that play Jane Austen 's male characters need to ooze masculinity, Jeremy Northam, Mark Strong, Colin Firth, Ciarán Hinds, they fit right in . Her books are elaborate female fantasies and we don't care for soy boys.
@@Daniela-pr7rz and mr knightley is the older of austen's heroes.
the 2020 Emma is my favourite but I already am quite impartial to Johnny Flynn, and I like that they don't seem as far apart in age. I understand in other versions and the book it is a larger factor in the story.
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It's the very fact that she grew up with him that makes it weird, he's like an older brother. It's the closeness that makes people siblings not so much as blood relation. It's the same as Return to the Blue Lagoon.
I don’t know… I had sexy moments with my brother
@@arckocsog253 That sounds almost incestuous. Most normal people resist such impulses so I hope you did because though you may have been a minor at the time you may have set up a sexual behaviour that later could lead to a far more serious criminal situation.
The family home is supposed to be a sexually safe place for children - that is part of marriage.
I know a man who revealed to me one day that he and his younger brother had been used and sexually abused by his older sister when they were 7 and 9 years of age. He broke down and cried that day and asked me if he had committed incest. It had bothered him for years poor guy - he was 60 when he told me about it.
It affected his relationship with his sister and with women. I told him that his sister, who was around 13/14 years of age, had acted in an untrustworthy manner considering she was often left in charge of the two little boys and that she had betrayed everyone's trust.
The two little boys were blameless at that age - "stranger danger" is not always the problem but weak parenting can be.
Sexual abuse of minors is not uncommon among women, we are now just beginning to talk about that behaviour, even little girls are now at risk from female teachers because lesbianism is being encouraged. Young boys have usually been the target.
I hope that if you ever become a mother that you will supervise your children and make sure that they play in similar age groups. Older children can try to take all sorts of advantage over the younger ones at times. Good supervision and educational parenting protects children from early abuses. It probably now depends on the values people are being taught - seems we have none any more.
In that comment which is NOT in the book there is no mention of what age he was when Emma was born or that he was there with her throughout her whole younger life - in the book there is a comment of his feeling beginning when she is 13.
Most men in that era had to go elsewhere to make a living depending on the families financial situation and their education. The more the feminists alter and "adapt" these stories the greater the mess they make of fun and romance. This is where we are now.
Shut up you guys! This was perfectly done and it's truly the best version of emma out there! It's the best cuz it's actually faithful to the book & well acted out! The other ones failed to deliver cuz of their weak acting that comes off as too scripted but actually they didn't even followed the script! They freakin' changed it! Badly done! Plus they lacked real emotion which is not good! They're just meh and weren't selling it for me. Kate Beckinsale & Mark Strong, however, are far more believable as Emma & Mr. Knightley and did the characters justice by portraying them exactly as they were in the book! So kudos to them for actually following the script & doing it right! Oh, and thanks to the uploader of these videos! :)
Arozua the others fail because they try to turn it into a comedy.
@@lilacdaisycrafts8181 Because it sort of is!
Correct me if I'm wrong but I counted 34 "indeed"s in the film, lol. Best version of Emma! Kate B is so good!
Yes, indeed! :) HAHA!! "Indeed." :D
Yes, indeed! :) HAHA!! "Indeed." :D
Yes, indeed! :) HAHA!! "Indeed." :D
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La mejor versión...
My favorite one
Well. A nice adaptation but I like the current adaptation by bbc in the year 2008. The emotions are more well pronounced
I agree with you completely!
Though this version of Emma isn't my favourite I actually thought this scene was done quite well (I do wish they would have removed the line "I held you in my arms when you were 3 weeks old" from being said right before the kiss, though) I preferred this scene to Jeremy Northam/Gywneth Paltrow's one but yes I do agree with you in terms of Johnny Lee Miller being the best Knightley and I have to say that I love Romola Garai's Emma :)
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I have watched all the versions of Emma and find that the 2020 version is the closest to the book. Emma is a comedy with eccentric characters. Emma is a meddling snob at first and Mr. Knightly is the only one who corrects her behavior and she respects him and becomes a better person for it. The 2020 version is the best in showing the annoying Emma, the others try to make her more likeable. As far as Mr. Knightly goes, I find Jeremy N. the worst actor of them all. When he confesses his love you can see him acting, it looks so fake. If you watch all versions of this scene you will see it. I like Johnny Flynn best because he has comedic scenes that the others don’t have and his dance scene with Emma is intense.
🤷🏻♀️ I have to disagree. After I read the book, I immediately watched the movies.
I watched the 2020 version first, but this version (with Kate Beckinsale) is the most faithful to the book.
I don’t think this version (1996 ITV) makes her more likable. Instead, as a reader/viewer knowing everything, we already recognize Emma’s unlikability... and since Kate’s portrayal of Emma’s unlikability is less painfully obvious than Anya’s, I can better understand how anyone in Highbury could receive Emma into their homes and be her friend. And _Highbury society_ don’t see it because Emma’s unlikability isn’t on the surface like a wart on her face.
If it were so obvious, like Anya’s portrayal in the 2020 movie-her body language alone would make an outsider think she’s not a nice girl-then why would anyone in Highbury accept her as a friend? Mrs. Bates wasn’t comfortable around her, only _after_ Emma was so plainly rude to her.
So it’s clear, Emma was a bit likable on the outside, except for when she used her sharp tongue and spoke not-so-kind thoughts.
@@winterblossom9546 Kate was so bland and boring. Emma is supposed to be outgoing and confident. It was very poor casting.
@@lauriebriggs9705 I disagree.
I find her very confident in this version. Did you not see the Box Hill scene, for instance? Nobody without confidence could behave like that. Or when she met Frank Churchill? As someone without confidence, I could never meet and talk with a stranger like that. She only knew him for what, less than one day, a few hours, and they’re already acting like friends? Being so open like that with a new acquaintance, that’s confidence!
But she isn’t supposed to be confident _all the time,_ or did you forget when Mr. Knightley scolded her for being rude to Ms. Bates. She lost her confidence temporarily, feeling so ashamed of herself that she willingly walked to visit her. She learns her lesson in behaving so superior to Ms. Bates.
Outgoing? She is! You must be joking by saying she isn’t. Kate’s Emma is unreserved, communicative, open, and socially confident-the definition of the word “outgoing,” look it up!
If you think her Emma isn’t like that, what do you think of Jane Fairfax? She’s reserved, the antonym of outgoing. Kate’s Emma isn’t like Jane, and Jane isn’t like Emma here-and if you can’t see that, then fix your definition of what “outgoing” looks like.
@@winterblossom9546 Emma's personality was constrained by manners and etiquette of her time. Etiquette was merely a set of rules between people of good society. Not just hvng money but being in same strata, that's why difficult for people without the right connections to be accepted when trying to better themselves. Etiquette comes from french word for ticket to private gatherings must show the invitation. Difference between private n public assemblies. Eg Northanger Abbey. The master of ceremonies at public functions wld make suitable introductions.
I still love you like when you was a baby because you never really stopped being dribbley.
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I find Mark Strong here is more handsome than George Knightley in 2020 version of Emma.
They are both drop dead gorgeous. 🤣
So cute!!!!
Well guys he is 17 years older....creepy to some but not all.
So what? Age dosn't matter if is true love.
It's not the age gap -- it's the knowing her from a baby.
@@ffeff8353 He knew that he would see Emma as someone as close as loveable to him for all his life. He had a deep, platonic, love and attachment to her. The point he was making, is, it changed into a romantic love without them both realising. With time, they both fell in love with each other.
@@samhart4205 -- yeah, I get the point. I got it from the start, it's spelled out in the book itself. I love the book, I don't have a problem with the age gap, I don't have a problem with them knowing each other, I DO find it somewhat creepy that a parental-type relationship "evolves" into a romantic one. There is a fundamental imbalance of power there that I (and many others) find concerning. That's it. I'm done explaining, we are all going to believe what we want to believe (though naturally I am right, hahaha)!
@@ffeff8353 Well..that depends how you see their relationship from the get go LMAO Mr Knightley was always the "friend" not the parental surrogate in the situation LOL Mr W turned out to be a better father and their governess was a better mother than expected. Mr Knightley was therefore more like the older friend who knew all her embarrassing secrets LMAO Their was no parental/sibling void to be filled in Emma's life. Everyone EXPECTED her to be lonely, moody girl without a mother but she had a great support system. Mr Knightley therefore, assumed a role of a friend in her life other than anything else. To me, it made sense. They were never "brother, and sister" LMAO
But everyone interprets differently 😊😂
Love this
Mark strong was the best Mr knightley
This was a story of its time. I try my best to ignore the squick factor it now has in current times. I don't think it's the age gap that bothers me in their case. What makes me cringe is that Mr. Knightley was very present in Emma's childhood. When you've held a baby, played with them, and taught them, the only kind of love you should be feeling for them is familial love. Having it cross over into romantic love is creepy.
I get it I do, but that's what makes the dynamic. People tend to forget, that even though Mr Knightley wasn't living in house with the Woodhouses he was still on their minds. If the story had to be updated the closest thing would be if Mr Knightley lived next door or in neighbourhood and as a friend watched her grow up. He had great affection for her and her well being. Yes, he was older than her but somehow still managed to connect to her and steer her away from trouble with his advice. They were friends first, and lovers only after Mr Knightley realised she was not the little girl he saw grow up. She was an adult without either of them realising. Frank Churchill's arrival was the catalyst for Mr Knightley to realise his love for her was romantic and that Emma was now capable of forming "serious attachment" to suitors and men. It was like an ugly duckling transformation in rom coms that happens 😂
Personally I believe that fans can't connect to this dynamic because they have a hard time modernising it. Society has changed alot since then. Friends and family would have to watch you grow up as social class determined your place in society and of course your company.
@@samhart4205 Yes, I understand the dynamic between Emma and Mr. Knightley. You put it beautifully into words. It really is one of Austen's best novels. I immerse myself in the story and get taken along for the ride as Mr. Knightley's perception of Emma changes and she realizes her love for him. But once the novel is over, and my modern sensibilities kick back in, I will forever have a small urge to cringe. Given that he has lectured her and scolded her and she has born it as no other woman would have... it teeters on the edges of child grooming. Obviously it ISN'T because he never saw her that way when she was a child. I very much know that he was NOT grooming her. Yet because he was so present in her childhood, he essentially though unintentionally helped raise the perfect wife for himself.
@@JNEsco Thanks 😊 It's definitely one of my favourite novels of her too. Although Emma isn't likeable as Anne or Lizzie the other heroines she still can be understood by the reader. She's more obviously flawed which I love about her. She's such a loud personality, even though she's civil in an uptight society.
Yes, I find it hard to digest a few things myself. Mr Knightley was so present in her life as a friend, family member and she had no trouble accepting the role change. Emma didn't seem to fight it in the book neither does Mr Knightley. Mr Knightley's pov is generally scarcely shown apart from being a steady influence in her life. He has no other romantic interests as an older gentleman of fortune making me wonder how subconscious was his love for Emma? To me, I don't think Austen intended for the dynamic to be, that Mr Knightley had purposefully written as though he was waiting for Emma..it's still a possibility though. I mean..it is a gender swap to some degree as to the lonely girl, waiting for her jock best friend to realise she's the one. Or even the guy bff waiting for his best friend to look twice at him. Sweet, but still at some point intentional.
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I just can’t get over his being there practically when she was born, raising her in manners like a father, and then wanting to marry her. Like a cult leader! Ugh.
i just watched the 2009 version and now this, and it's like there's barely any emotions in this scene lol. i way prefer the Romola Garai-Jonny Lee Miller version!!
Emma practically needed to be restrained in the 2009 version. It was so painful 😂😂😂
Romola's Emma was too modern! She is supposed to be upper class, and proper. I just couldn't not see her as a modern girl throughout the whole series. And she never had her hair properly done, the lower class ladies had proper curls and she didn't, when Emma lives in a huge estate and is supposed to have maids to take care of her. (Face palm).
Romola is my favorite Emma; she retained likability despite her meddling and unconscious snobbery. Jeremy Northam, though, is by far my favorite Knightley!
Not used to seeing Mark Strong with hair.
I do not agree: Jonny Lee Miller was a DISASTER as Knightley. JLM is boring, lifeless, tasteless.
Mark Strong's portrayal of Mr Knightley is more faithful to the book; and Northam is simply irresistible, and his Mr Knightley is so handsome and funny and cool.
msinvincible2000 I actually loved JLM as Knightley!
Never Austen wrote these silly words nor nosebleeds
Well I couldn't bear a man irascibile like Mr. Knightley by Mark Strong
I really like this version! What year was this released?
1996
Same year as the Gwyneth Paltrow version. Never knew about this one.
"I held you in my arms when you were just 3 weeks old." ofcourse he was changing the diaper.
Nah, the nurse would’ve done that
Mark Strong was so young but his hair started~~bald,(forehead) that'why he played bad guy role these years
very superficial of me, but I never could fall for him as Mr Knightley completely because of his somewhat receding hairline. Still a gem.
He already was bald as he is today. It was a wig.
Super
The kiss is awful!
Indeed...this is my least favourite adaption of the three I have seen because of the lack of intimacy and chemistry displayed here.
The 1996 movie version is *very* good with the lovely Jeremy Northam :) but my favourite has to be the 2009 version with THE best portrayl of Mr Knightley, Jonny Lee Miller and his chemistry with Romola Garia.
I guess I need to read the book, because I don't get Knightley's love for her. Maybe she wasn't as much of a brat, growing up.
I want a special edition that digitally inserts a nosebleed.
to be sure !!!
Was he a child himself when he held her in his arms at three weeks old?
Not really.
She looks like she has a mustache or is it just me.
that totly reminded me of twilight when Jacob inprints on Bellas baby.. except this is when they grow up!.... if that makes sense.... ahah
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This relatonship is kind of creepy. Imagine someone telling you he's known you since you were a baby, it's like saying he's your dad.
Not, really? Mr Knightley may have wanted to be her, her surrogate father/brother but he was relegated to her "friend." Mr Woodhouse, may be a fussy man, but he was very involved in the details of his daughter's upbringing. The dude, was downright paranoid on that issue.
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i like emma but i found this whole dialog so gross.
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emma should be blond.
Who says? Jane Austen makes no mention of her hair colour.
I didn't like this version very much. It does have some interesting parts in it at the end that are NOT in the other two. My favorite scene of all 3 that I know of is the several hour one..can't remember the name of the actress...when they are dancing together and each are so TREMENDOUSLY happy and don't ...quite...know...why...yet. ;) LOVE IT.
It is pretty creepy though, for people 17ish years apart to get married.
It's only ackward because we marry today when people are still childish. It was not unusual then for their to be large gaps in age. Marriage was about so much more than sexual chemistry. It's important but so is maturity, a balanced sense of honor, loyalty, responsibility, integrity. People don't look for these qualities today. Today, it's "I'm 15+. I have rights. I can have sex cuz he or she is sooo cute!. Hot. etc." No job? "We'll make it work." You hate to do chores like clean your own room, dishes, laundry? Help out? "It's different. It will be our own place." You're sexual active and still in school? Can't manage to do your homework and the teachers, principals or parents are too restrictive? "I'm pregnant!......"I'm pregnant, I made a mistake."
I think Knightly grew to love her by watching her become the woman she grew to be. A lady. A designation people, especially women, fail to appreciate today.
This is the worst version of Emma.