Thank you. Mine was updated on the 24th. it took two days in Durham dealership. The staff are lovely. They've extended our VIP privilege from Korea all the way to the UK.
@saviomendonsa5029 fire level membership also includes access to members only live stream where you can ask me anything. I will start doing this probably monthly once I have a few more fire level members.
I really hope they will updated this with better logic in the future. To have a hard limit at 24%SOC is lazy programming imo. It should be dynamic, dependent on distance to chargestation and predicted consumption.
I have booked my MSG GTL RWD into my dealer next week for the battery preconditioning update, with no problem at all. The update also involves a couple of other things to do with the head unit. The number of the KIA service bulletin if your dealer can't find it is KGE22-17 E131-CV.
Hi, in Slovakia Kia/Hyundai stated that the update which will support battery pre-heating can be updated only in authorized service and they ask 50 eur for update. From their point if view it is not and update but upgrade for the olders cars and that is the reason why they asking to pay for it.
Hi Brian, as another has mentioned, winter mode disappears after you get the upgrade and replaced with battery pre-conditioning. If this hasn’t changed then the update has not been fully done. Also if you have a model 21/22 it shows the snow flake. In model 23 its a heater element symbol. I haven’t tried this myself but I also believe if you set a destination and then the charging station as a waypoint/stop off point it also works. Not sure 100% but i have heard it works this way.
Cheers for the info Mark. Quite few commenters from my previous videos are still seeing Winter Mode but the Snowflake still comes on for them as far as i know indicating the heater is working. Wish i could test this myself.
@@evodessey That’s strange as mine had winter mode and then changed to battery pre-conditioning and the description info also changed. I have heard others having this situation, but the upgrade wasn’t fully completed or they didn’t have all the current software updates. I also heard others saying this and even with the snow flake it didn’t work?🤷🏻♂️. Be Interesting to see if the guys with snow mode and the snow flake comes up that it actually works? Stupid question but as there is a new navigation software update from Kia just been released. If i have my old update on my usb stick and need to download this which is well over 33gb. Can i delete the older July update from my USB to free up space for the new update? In other words I don’t need to leave the old update on my USB in order for the new one to work? Hope that makes sense. By the way people been getting 230kw at 4/5c over here with the new pre-conditioning update. 👍👍
@@markgeezey1809 When you run the Navigation Updater from update.kia.com it compares what the USB version has to the version on Kia’s servers. It will overwrite the old version if you force it or it detects a new version so there is no need to free up space. You just need to ensure you have at least a 64 Gb flash drive. Rumours are that a November Entertainment update is imminent..
@@evodessey it was something I saw something on Technically Jeff 24th October. But may have misunderstood it. Could be the one that you mention is due in November. 🤦🏻♂️🤣.
Hi Brian once again thanks for these videos, there really helpful I may have a stuip question but I'll ask it anyway. with regards to the preconditioning of the battery, can you pre condition when using a home (Pod Point) 7 kw charger ? would you need to ? if so how?
Cheers. No you can’t as it needs to be a destination charger in the Nav system. Unless you could put a manual POI Charger in for your home address? I don’t think you need to at 7kw anyways. The slower the speed of charging the less resistance the charger is pushing against in the battery. For Ultra-rapid speeds (200kWh+) it makes a big difference though. They will probably release a manual battery heater button in the head unit now because i’ve said that it won’t do it😂. To be fair in really cold countries it probably would make some difference but i just don’t know how much.
The upgrade is internally called KTI_2022-178 or KTI_2022-183 requirements for pre-conditioning to start are: - Battery Pre-Conditioning has to be enabled - DC FAST CHARGER set as a destination in the satnav - high voltage battery temp below 21°C - high voltage battery SOC at least 24% - time to reach optimal temperature = 21°C - HV-Battery-SOC travel time to charger
@@evodessey yeah the problem with the upgrade vs update is. Kia does supply the software for free to the dealership but most charge 70-200€ to install it from what I read on german forums.
@@koaschten in the Netherlands Kia sended a message to the dealers where they say. The upgrade is not for free but they suggest the dealer adds it as a service. So basically it helps calling a few different dealers to see of they will do it for free or not.
For the public Tesla superchargers in the UK, does the navigation recognise them and therefore allow preconditioning? Also does it have to be Type 3 charger or does it also work for Type 2?
Pre-conditioning only works with DC charging. The online Kia database only gets updated once a year. Last updated February i think. You would think that the 15 Tesla charging stations would appear but they don’t. I just tested Cardiff by setting destination to Cardiff Supercharger then searching for chargers near destination. It found nothing Tesla.
Hi Martin. Thank you for the video. So if I have the winter mode enabled and set my navigation to a DC fast charger, will that pre condition the battery same as the 2023 models which have the battery pre conditioning mode?
Sorry who’s Martin?😂 I’m Brian. As far as i’ve read as long as you have had the BMS update (KTI_2022-183) applied by your Kia Dealer it should work yes.Mine is MY22 made in 2nd half of 2021 and from what i’ve read on a German EV6 forum this weekend it should work.
Is battery preconditioning only needed if you plan to charge at a level 3 charger? Meaning, if all the other conditions are met for temperature, but I'm charging at home with my level 1 or 2 charger, is it unnecessary? I have a garage, but all but the middle of the summer is below 21°C (~69°F) where I live, and in the winter, quite a bit colder than that.
@@evodessey yeah, I'm just trying to figure out the nuance here. Does that mean battery preconditioning is unnecessary when charging at those lower levels, and that's why it doesn't engage? Because it exists to care for the battery, correct?
@Edward Petersen As far as I know the BMS update is for DC fast charging. I don’t know for sure if Winter Mode engages the battery heater during AC charging. There is also no way to manually engage it. For sure the colder the battery becomes the more resistance there is and the slower it will charge. The only way to prove if Winter Mode engages Battery Heater when temperature drops below a certain level is to use Car Scanner & OBD dongle to monitor whilst charging.
@@evodessey Ah, that makes sense. So, although cooler weather clearly effects the ability for the battery to consume the electricity, it really only matters when it is DC. I'm glad I cleared that up. We are getting our Level 2 charger installed at the house tomorrow, just in time for our holiday driving. But we will still need to stop at a DC fast charger on the way to our destination. So we will be sure to set the *commercial charger* as the destination in our Nav, and not my in-laws house!
I have the update since yesterday not been able to test it yet due to the warm temperatures atm. Also noticed the Kia connected app now shows an animation of the battery conditioning when activated.
Hi, thanks for this update. I am lucky enough to have a 72 plate with the update.. does anyone know if you can use other map options such as ABRP or Google Maps and it will still enable pre conditioning on a set destination or if you have to use the installed Nav software?
Hi,you’ve got to use the built in Nav to enable the Battery heating to work. It’s a pity there is not a manual option to start it.Where in the world are you?
@@MikeJohnson-qk9wr There is rumored to be more support for pre-heating coming in the November Software update (head unit Maps) which should be out the middle of November. So your car is new enough to have the pre-heating update built in. Is it an MY23 do you know?
Hi Brian, my dealer tells me that he can only do the updates requested by Kia. So, how I can get this update for have the battery preheating ? I'm in France. Thanks
That’s nonsense. Service desk only show recall updates on their systems. This update has to be searched on the master techincians system and is an enhancement. I had the same problem trying to get my dealer to get my update done. Kia France should be able to confirm it as well.
Morning Brian As I got Battery Precondition update done, I will check it by navigating to the Gridserve chargers at Gatwick. Charge to 80%, then drive navigating to Shell Shoreham. I have the state of charge OK, but how do I check the temperature of the battery? Also will it be above 21 degrees at Gatwick before a drive to Shoreham. Can you advise please as I want to do it tomorrow morning or Wednesday Looking forward to your reply James Duffy
Need car scanner for battery temps,ambient temp here is just 11c so unlikely battery will get that warm unless you are really hammering it.Car scanner will tell u all things,any back to decorating....
@EV Odessey Thanks Brian I'll look out for it Looking forwards to setting up car scanner One thing I am interested in is from one charger io another. I.E. Milton Keynes to Leeds. The second leg of my journey to Scotland Hope you get it on wendnesday
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Thank you. Mine was updated on the 24th. it took two days in Durham dealership. The staff are lovely. They've extended our VIP privilege from Korea all the way to the UK.
@saviomendonsa5029 fire level membership also includes access to members only live stream where you can ask me anything. I will start doing this probably monthly once I have a few more fire level members.
I really hope they will updated this with better logic in the future. To have a hard limit at 24%SOC is lazy programming imo. It should be dynamic, dependent on distance to chargestation and predicted consumption.
Agreed. Still waiting for the update in the UK. Any fix is better than nothing.
I have booked my MSG GTL RWD into my dealer next week for the battery preconditioning update, with no problem at all. The update also involves a couple of other things to do with the head unit. The number of the KIA service bulletin if your dealer can't find it is KGE22-17 E131-CV.
Hi, in Slovakia Kia/Hyundai stated that the update which will support battery pre-heating can be updated only in authorized service and they ask 50 eur for update. From their point if view it is not and update but upgrade for the olders cars and that is the reason why they asking to pay for it.
Hi Brian, as another has mentioned, winter mode disappears after you get the upgrade and replaced with battery pre-conditioning. If this hasn’t changed then the update has not been fully done. Also if you have a model 21/22 it shows the snow flake. In model 23 its a heater element symbol. I haven’t tried this myself but I also believe if you set a destination and then the charging station as a waypoint/stop off point it also works. Not sure 100% but i have heard it works this way.
Cheers for the info Mark. Quite few commenters from my previous videos are still seeing Winter Mode but the Snowflake still comes on for them as far as i know indicating the heater is working. Wish i could test this myself.
@@evodessey That’s strange as mine had winter mode and then changed to battery pre-conditioning and the description info also changed. I have heard others having this situation, but the upgrade wasn’t fully completed or they didn’t have all the current software updates. I also heard others saying this and even with the snow flake it didn’t work?🤷🏻♂️. Be Interesting to see if the guys with snow mode and the snow flake comes up that it actually works? Stupid question but as there is a new navigation software update from Kia just been released. If i have my old update on my usb stick and need to download this which is well over 33gb. Can i delete the older July update from my USB to free up space for the new update? In other words I don’t need to leave the old update on my USB in order for the new one to work? Hope that makes sense. By the way people been getting 230kw at 4/5c over here with the new pre-conditioning update. 👍👍
@@markgeezey1809 When you run the Navigation Updater from update.kia.com it compares what the USB version has to the version on Kia’s servers. It will overwrite the old version if you force it or it detects a new version so there is no need to free up space. You just need to ensure you have at least a 64 Gb flash drive. Rumours are that a November Entertainment update is imminent..
You say a new entertainment update has been released but nothing for me. I checked this morning.
@@evodessey it was something I saw something on Technically Jeff 24th October. But may have misunderstood it. Could be the one that you mention is due in November. 🤦🏻♂️🤣.
Hi Brian once again thanks for these videos, there really helpful
I may have a stuip question but I'll ask it anyway.
with regards to the preconditioning of the battery, can you pre condition when using a home (Pod Point) 7 kw charger ? would you need to ?
if so how?
Cheers. No you can’t as it needs to be a destination charger in the Nav system. Unless you could put a manual POI Charger in for your home address? I don’t think you need to at 7kw anyways. The slower the speed of charging the less resistance the charger is pushing against in the battery. For Ultra-rapid speeds (200kWh+) it makes a big difference though. They will probably release a manual battery heater button in the head unit now because i’ve said that it won’t do it😂. To be fair in really cold countries it probably would make some difference but i just don’t know how much.
@@evodessey many thanks Brian for the quick and clear reply
Thanks. Best regards Martin
The upgrade is internally called KTI_2022-178 or KTI_2022-183
requirements for pre-conditioning to start are:
- Battery Pre-Conditioning has to be enabled
- DC FAST CHARGER set as a destination in the satnav
- high voltage battery temp below 21°C
- high voltage battery SOC at least 24%
- time to reach optimal temperature = 21°C
- HV-Battery-SOC travel time to charger
Thank you that’s full and detailed information i’ve been waiting weeks for. Very useful.
@@evodessey yeah the problem with the upgrade vs update is. Kia does supply the software for free to the dealership but most charge 70-200€ to install it from what I read on german forums.
@@koaschten in the Netherlands Kia sended a message to the dealers where they say. The upgrade is not for free but they suggest the dealer adds it as a service. So basically it helps calling a few different dealers to see of they will do it for free or not.
Is there en icon in the Kia connect app that shows
@@jt19767171 shows what? The pre conditioning state? Doubt it. Because you have to be driving to an hpc to trigger the activation.
The heating indicator (snowflake) shows in MY22, in MY23 it will show heating coil.
Cheers,i’ve updated notes in description.
For the public Tesla superchargers in the UK, does the navigation recognise them and therefore allow preconditioning? Also does it have to be Type 3 charger or does it also work for Type 2?
Pre-conditioning only works with DC charging. The online Kia database only gets updated once a year. Last updated February i think. You would think that the 15 Tesla charging stations would appear but they don’t. I just tested Cardiff by setting destination to Cardiff Supercharger then searching for chargers near destination. It found nothing Tesla.
Hi Martin. Thank you for the video. So if I have the winter mode enabled and set my navigation to a DC fast charger, will that pre condition the battery same as the 2023 models which have the battery pre conditioning mode?
Sorry who’s Martin?😂 I’m Brian. As far as i’ve read as long as you have had the BMS update (KTI_2022-183) applied by your Kia Dealer it should work yes.Mine is MY22 made in 2nd half of 2021 and from what i’ve read on a German EV6 forum this weekend it should work.
@@evodessey Ah sorry Brian 😊. I think in Canada, we don't have the option for that dealer update yet.
@@Yubuzka3774 We are still waiting in the UK as well.
How low shall the temperature be outside before the pre heat of the battery starts?
It should always start if the battery temp is below 21°C, see my post further up for all the requirements
It’s the Battery temp that is key so
Is battery preconditioning only needed if you plan to charge at a level 3 charger? Meaning, if all the other conditions are met for temperature, but I'm charging at home with my level 1 or 2 charger, is it unnecessary? I have a garage, but all but the middle of the summer is below 21°C (~69°F) where I live, and in the winter, quite a bit colder than that.
It only only works on DC Fast Charging 50-350kW chargers where you have set the destination of the fast charger in the Nav.
@@evodessey yeah, I'm just trying to figure out the nuance here. Does that mean battery preconditioning is unnecessary when charging at those lower levels, and that's why it doesn't engage? Because it exists to care for the battery, correct?
@Edward Petersen As far as I know the BMS update is for DC fast charging. I don’t know for sure if Winter Mode engages the battery heater during AC charging. There is also no way to manually engage it. For sure the colder the battery becomes the more resistance there is and the slower it will charge. The only way to prove if Winter Mode engages Battery Heater when temperature drops below a certain level is to use Car Scanner & OBD dongle to monitor whilst charging.
@@evodessey Ah, that makes sense. So, although cooler weather clearly effects the ability for the battery to consume the electricity, it really only matters when it is DC. I'm glad I cleared that up. We are getting our Level 2 charger installed at the house tomorrow, just in time for our holiday driving. But we will still need to stop at a DC fast charger on the way to our destination. So we will be sure to set the *commercial charger* as the destination in our Nav, and not my in-laws house!
Winter mode is gone after the update. For me only battery conditioning mode.
I have the update since yesterday not been able to test it yet due to the warm temperatures atm. Also noticed the Kia connected app now shows an animation of the battery conditioning when activated.
@@MChellinga cheers that's good to know
Damn here in the Netherlands still winter mode. Also on forums it seems it needs to be done by the dealer? Don’t know why.
Hi, thanks for this update. I am lucky enough to have a 72 plate with the update.. does anyone know if you can use other map options such as ABRP or Google Maps and it will still enable pre conditioning on a set destination or if you have to use the installed Nav software?
Hi,you’ve got to use the built in Nav to enable the Battery heating to work. It’s a pity there is not a manual option to start it.Where in the world are you?
@@evodessey Thank you for replying. That is a shame as ABRP is a very good tool
I'm near Reading in the UK
@@MikeJohnson-qk9wr There is rumored to be more support for pre-heating coming in the November Software update (head unit Maps) which should be out the middle of November. So your car is new enough to have the pre-heating update built in. Is it an MY23 do you know?
@@evodessey I took delivery 30th September 2022 so I guess it is
Hi Brian, my dealer tells me that he can only do the updates requested by Kia. So, how I can get this update for have the battery preheating ? I'm in France. Thanks
That’s nonsense. Service desk only show recall updates on their systems. This update has to be searched on the master techincians system and is an enhancement. I had the same problem trying to get my dealer to get my update done. Kia France should be able to confirm it as well.
Morning Brian
As I got Battery Precondition update done, I will check it by navigating to the Gridserve chargers at Gatwick. Charge to 80%, then drive navigating to Shell Shoreham.
I have the state of charge OK, but how do I check the temperature of the battery?
Also will it be above 21 degrees at Gatwick before a drive to Shoreham.
Can you advise please as I want to do it tomorrow morning or Wednesday
Looking forward to your reply
James Duffy
Need car scanner for battery temps,ambient temp here is just 11c so unlikely battery will get that warm unless you are really hammering it.Car scanner will tell u all things,any back to decorating....
@EV Odessey Thanks Brian
Enjoy your decorating
@@jamesduffy8669 Enjoy is not a good word for decorating😂😂 Assuming i can get the update on Wednesday i will do a video of how to setup car scanner.
@EV Odessey Thanks Brian
I'll look out for it
Looking forwards to setting up car scanner
One thing I am interested in is from one charger io another. I.E. Milton Keynes to Leeds. The second leg of my journey to Scotland
Hope you get it on wendnesday
And if you are already within 40km of the fast charger? My experience is it would pre condition, anyone has other knowledge?
I’ve heard the version released in North America behaves slightly differently to the EU version.