Making a Black Panther 2 without the main lead was always going to be difficult. They ended up in the unfortunate position of "Dammed if you do and damned if you don't."
I still can’t believe that Chadwick Boseman’s is no longer with us. When I first heard about his passing 4 years ago, I was shocked and in disbelief, but when I found out it was in fact real, I didn’t know what to say. It is still sad to know that we’ll never see his performance as T’Challa progress in throughout MCU besides his appearance in 4 of the movies. Rest In Power Chadwick Boseman ❤.
@@anubusx No they shouldn't have. I don't even think it would've been disrespectful it just wouldn't feel right. Recasting Rhodey and Ross made sense cause those characters meant nothing before the recasts. T'Challa was actually a main character with an important legacy in this franchise. And the film ended up being better for letting the emotional weight focus on his death and Shuri's journey
@@cainekass No, it proved the opposite. Nobody cares about Ross that character means nothing to anyone. T'Challa was actually a lead character that went through actual development.
People really don't understand how much Chadwick's passing affected the MCU. He was the only infinity saga lead that people were really excited for post endgame
Lol people were excited for Spider-Man and Doctor Strange to return as well. Edit: Read your post wrong, thought you meant phase 3 leads only. People were excited for Thor and Scarlet Witch to return too among others, definitely not just Black Panther.
@@skatemo100 like he said ppl were really excited to see black panther that simple like you clowns always got to add something like what he said wasn’t true clown 🤡
2 Black Panthers (Brother & Sister) fighting together would've been epic. I think Namor would've kidnapped T' Challa's son instead of Shuri or still kidnapped Shuri while T' Challa is on his trip.
What tha phuck or you talkin' about? There would've been nothing epic about it. There has only ever been One Black Panther to Protect and Lead Wakanda. Watch the First movie again.
I personally think that if the Boseman version had been made, Black Panther: The Two Kings or Black Panther: Two Kings would’ve been a perfect name, as it highlights both T’Challa and Namor, but I also think Wakanda Forever is the perfect name for the movie
I remember seeing Black Panther: Wakanda Forever in the theater and I was sobbing. I heard several people sobbing in the opening scene. That’s definitely a memory I’ll never forget, film is great that way because it can bring everyone inner humanity out. RIP Chadwick… also screw cancer.
I wish that had been mine. In mine I had several teenagers LAUGHING during his funeral and the opening intro. I don't know if they wear laughing at the film, something on a phone or at something between them but regardless they wear showing ZERO respect.
Chadwick Boseman is the only celebrity death that genuinely hurt me. I cried the day, and spent a summer just watching his movies; BP, 42, and Ma Rainey.
As much as i love the film we got, it still saddens me that Chadwick was taken from us too soon. That man deserved a long life. RIP to the King. Wakanda Forever.
Knowing the massive undertaking that had to be done after the untimely passing of Chadwick Boseman, this film really came together the best way it could have, Ryan Coogler really is a super talented director and writer. Thanks for another brilliant episode bro.
I do think that Ryan Coogler made the best film possible out of a horrible situation. Chadwick's passing was treated respectfully and beautifully. Everything fits. Nakia doesn't need to be disrespected in favor of Storm now, as their son can now fill that role with some inevitable time jumps/incursion/multiverses ending/timeline unification to age him up. And it won't take away from Chadwick's legacy.
I find it a very interesting topic, especially considering how the film Black Panther 2 might have turned out with Chadwick Boseman if he were still alive. Regardless, this actor will always be remembered as Black Panther, and may his soul rest in peace.
No it did not, continue on with the Iconic character & lead of the franchise by continuing his work by eventually recasting would've been true Honoring Chadwick! Acting & score was dope again but writing & story wasnt
That's a good one but I don't think there's been a whole lot of plot details come out, other than Derrickson wanted it to be a straight-up horror film. Truthfully, the final version could have it's own video since so much was cut out.
@@cinemaarts8795 I'm most curious about the writing differences. Famously, MoM was rewritten and cut apart and stitched back together many times and the script only came together months before shoot, which is why some parts are so poorly written -- despite Raimi directing the absolute hell out of the film. I doubt Derrickson's version would have been anywhere near as well directed, but it might've been a more cohesive story (or perhaps it was just bad, which is why he was let go??)
@@Visulth Or Derrickson wanted MoM to be more stand-alone, that's been a big issue with some directors (like Edgar Wright). I remember he also wanted Nightmare to be the main villain.
@kdusel1991 DON'T YOU DARE. That movie sucked absolute ass and I waited YEARS for it. It had no head or tail, no real rythm, what was even the point of America Chavez? Why ruin Wanda's villainy in Wanda Vision just to make her a villain in MOM anyway? WHY WHY waste the amazing set up for Mordo like that? The only redeeming element of the movie was the fight scene with the evil Doctor Strange variant. That was it. I don't even blame Raimi, since the shtshow is definitely credited to poor planning and this dumbass need to include the Fox MCU. What a waste. Shtty greenscreen too
I remember being at work and getting a notification from my friend that Chadwick had passed. I looked it up and started to cry after I learned that he had been suffering in silence which is relatable to me
Rip Chadwick boseman he will forever be the greatest black panther ever and I think the current version of black panther 2 is great as well and how they included him in the movie but I think this version would've been great too
Chadwick made the black panther movie special too me. It show about black history and a family drama and getting together and many more. But he is a Legend
I was heartbroken when I woke up to hear the tragic news of Chadwicks passing as the man was not just perfectly cast T'Challa, but he was an exceptional actor and human being who even with his condition he still dedicated himself to continuing with his career and I respect that he kept it to himself. Even without Chadwick in the role I did quite like Wakanda Forever and I thought even though it wasn't perfect, it was still an incredibly heartfelt and somber goodbye to both T'Challa and Chadwick, tackling grief, isolation, colonisation etc...and exploring other characters like Shuri, Queen Ramonda, M'Baku, Namor etc... Although I wish we could've gotten the original script of T'Challa and Namor facing off together, I do think this was of course a difficult situation and in my eyes they did the best they could and I think they did a good job respecting the character and actors passing. Rest in peace Chadwick Boseman, rest in power my King👑🕊️🐈⬛ WAKANDA FOREVER🙅🏾♂️
1:05 also in the comics T'Challa and Shuri have an Adopted brother named Hunter who was bullied by most of the other Wakandaian kids for being white he would also take on the mantle of the White Wolf after he was banished
Also,, your legible way of speaking lends itself well to captions. Your channel and work is accessible for readers that may be deaf or hard of hearing. Don’t listen to fools you’re doing great !
😳 Man, seeing Chadwick again in your video, reliving the cultural impact The Black Panther movie had on the world, and seeing what could’ve happened next - all hit me really hard right now. I also remember how emotional it was to watch Wakanda Forever and the actors cry real tears on screen because they were grieving the loss of their friend in real time. And then the surprise of seeing his son at the mid credit scene. Man… there wasn’t a dry eye in the movie theatre… Thank you for sharing this breakdown while 1) explaining the challenge that Ryan Coogler had, 2) expressing the logic behind the creative changes that were made, and 3) still honoring Chadwick Boseman’s legacy in a respectful manner, and how he changed Marvel cinematic history forever. Well done, sir. #NewSubscriber
He was a true king to hold it down and take the pain in silence and not let use as his fans feel sad knowing there is nothing we can do but cheer him on and be happy for his long Success from where he came love you always and will see you one day again brother
In the long run they should’ve just recast Delay the film for a few years Do your tributes, and move forward Now it feels like we’ll never see Tchalla again
@@Christian39521well they named T'Challa's son after him. So I think it was the filmmakers way of having the best of both worlds where they can Shuri as Black Panther for a number of years while also waiting until this new T'Challa becomes an adult and you tell stories about him when that day comes
@@bigstunna2049 His Black Panther just isn't as iconic as several other characters. You couldn't recast Iron Man, Captain America or Thor since they've been with us since the beginning. Black Panther had Civil War, his own movie and Infinity War, plus a short appearance in the climax of Endgame. Chadwick was good in the role, but not so good he couldn't be replaced.
No, they should have just left it as T'Challa returns home (as in the end of Endgame) and he either quietly retires, or he remains in the background while we focus on other characters.
For BP2 I wish they pivoted by having either Daniel kaluyas character become the Panther so as to honour his best friend or a multiversal Kilmonger whose world was wiped out by Kang
It would have made a fortune if Chadwick Boseman was in Black Panther 2. In honor of Chadwick I did not watch part 2 nor do I want to and I'm sure I not the only one. He worked so hard to make the movie how could they not present it beats me.
Did not plan on getting emotional again watching this. Its hard to express the joy i had seeing kids in theaters getting hyped and enjoying the first black panther and into the spiderverse in theaters in 2018.
He definitely deserves all the love and respect from his fans. I miss Chadwick deeply. However it’s becoming slightly frustrating how Marvel doesn’t want T’challa to exist in any media right now even with what happened in the New X-men cartoon. I hope that they will give us the character back in the future because T’challa was an amazing character long before Chadwick but he will always be one of my favorite MCU actors without a doubt. I wish all his friends and family well too.
Apart of me did wish he was recast but after seeing the movie I think it was well put together movie and one of the better ones in Phase 4. I appreciate the emotion that was put into this and I think they did a terrific job of honoring Chadwick Boseman. Plus at the end they gave Black Panther a son so in several years from now when the son grows into an adult they can tell more T'Challa stories later on and Shuri being Black Panther has a bunch of story potential. That's one part of the original draft I don't like where having two Black Panthers at once feels too repetitive. Superheroes have always had sidekicks and mirror copycats of each other but I felt like this was not only too on the nose but also wouldn't have brought as much story potential as what we got instead. And while Chadwick Boseman would want his legacy continue and recast even I'm that he would also respect Kevin Fiege and Marvel's decision on not recasting him
This is my biggest “what if” movie as someone who is a massive fan of Black Panther. But also knowing that Marvel wanted this character to be such a big player in the Multiverse saga.
@@torrencesampson3584 with the critical and commercial failure of Multiverse of Madness and the Marvels and Letita Wright's controversial statements, those plans completely failed. Now Marvel is hoping Deadpool and Wolverine become marvel Jesus.
RIP Boseman. It's a shame because this movie sounds much better than the underwhelming one we got instead. Honestly they should've just recast and did it in a way that honored him.
I So Sad Loss is Never See Chadwick Boseman Return and Original Version in MCU Timeline , But I Hope Can Make Happen of Chadwick Boseman Version on What If Season 3 !
While obviously the original idea of Black Panther 2 would've naturally been better as it would've been T'Challa's story continued, I do think Coogler and Marvel did the best they could to move forward after Boseman's death. No matter what they did, some fans would be upset. I think they upheld Boseman's legacy and showed alot of respect to him.
For once I think the final product was better, but I miss Chadwick so much. Only celeb deaths that affected me this much were Robin Williams and Jeff Beck.
God, I wish we got this and so many more films with Chadwick Boseman as Black Panther. But Coogler and everyone involved I think did a great job with Wakanda Forever.
Black Panther 2 was still very good considering the unfortunate circumstances in which Boseman passed! to make a quality project with such short time and drastic alterations! I credit everyone who contributed to the adjustment!
Chadwick’s T’Challa was also gonna be a part of the new Big Three, which was Spider man, Black Panther, and Falcon, but they were scrapped after the actor passed away RIP KING 😭
They did the best they could with what they had. Black Panther 2 was a good, emotional movie. But you can't help but think while watching how much better it could have been with Chadwick Boseman. He was the future of marvel and could have carried the next avengers movie. Marvel is really missing a huge talent with Boseman gone. The future movies have no one of his caliber to replace him.
Man, this is one of those what if movies that I wish we could’ve gotten. Don’t get it twisted, I really liked what we got in the theater and the music, however, this script sounded even better than the revised version. If only Chadwick was still alive, I think the second movie would’ve surpassed the first one smh!!!😔😔 I can still remember where I was when I first heard about his passing.
They have to recast Tchalla. I think Chadwick would want the character to continue. He’s our only black male superhero other than Blade. To carry on with a female lead is not what we need right now.
@@nathanieldiaz5254 No they didn't shill, sit down. Even Boseman said he wanted it to go on even if it wasn't him, initially telling us something. Only idiots think killing off a man's legacy was a good idea
@@EmperorGuyver Why the insults? You're actively looking for a fight where there is none. You think they should've recast him, I don't. No need to be disrespectful about it.
The version of the movie that was released really sat with me and made me emotional, not JUST bc the tribute they paid to Chadwick, which was extremely beautiful and heartwarming, but bc both opposing sides portrayed in the movie make up both of my ethnic backgrounds and just really hit home.
Just because Chadwick Boseman died, didn't mean that T'Challa had to die with him, as they could have recasted since it wouldn't have been the first time that Marvel Studios had done so, even for dead actors such as the case for the recasting of General Ross for the upcoming release of Captain America: Brave New World. Besides, the MCU ended with Avengers: Endgame.
With or without Chadwick Boseman I think they made the right choice killing Queen Ramonda because Shuri needed a reason to take up the mantle as Black Panther. An argument could be made she shouldn't until the third movie if Chadwick Boseman lived but that were the case and I wrote the movie I'd keep that and the conversation she had with Killmonger the same with a few minor changes in dialogue of course. I would also change the scene where Shuri and Ramonda talk about the lost of T'Challa to them talking about the lost of T'Chaka and the final fight would be between Namor and the two Black Panthers that ends the same, with Shuri showing mercy.
I actually came out of Tenet when I read that Chadwick had passed and that hit me more than Tenet's twist. My only tiny gripes with Wakanda Forever are that despite sitting in a Megalodon jaw, there's not one in the film. Also the rumors of Doctor Doom made me hopeful that there'd be one.
I was hoping doom would be the reason for tchalla death in the movie fr...but I suppose I get why the director wanted shuri to not have someone to blame and whatnot
“He suffered in silence.”
Cant believe he fought through that shit since like…Civil War.
That's how much of a badass he was.
Making a Black Panther 2 without the main lead was always going to be difficult. They ended up in the unfortunate position of "Dammed if you do and damned if you don't."
And it sucked 💀
In your opinion. But it was Avery good movie @@ParaplegicKeanuReeves
@@ParaplegicKeanuReeves please make a better movie 🙏🏾
@@ParaplegicKeanuReeves nah it was pretty good.
@@ParaplegicKeanuReevesno it didn’t
I still can’t believe that Chadwick Boseman’s is no longer with us.
When I first heard about his passing 4 years ago, I was shocked and in disbelief, but when I found out it was in fact real, I didn’t know what to say.
It is still sad to know that we’ll never see his performance as T’Challa progress in throughout MCU besides his appearance in 4 of the movies.
Rest In Power Chadwick Boseman ❤.
Bro was destined for greatness. He was gonna be the next big star, sad it ended so sudden
Believe he's still alive in some other universe and the mcu is still great there too
@@emanueloliveira7997 And in that universe Disney files for Ch 11. Sounds wonderful!
@@matrix-5466 I was on vacation when I heard the news. I was shocked and devastated.
@@kdusel1991 I still remember the day I opened my TH-cam feed and saw the news…
Ryan Coogler was in a no win scenario making Black Panther 2
They should've recast him.
@@anubusx No they shouldn't have. I don't even think it would've been disrespectful it just wouldn't feel right. Recasting Rhodey and Ross made sense cause those characters meant nothing before the recasts.
T'Challa was actually a main character with an important legacy in this franchise. And the film ended up being better for letting the emotional weight focus on his death and Shuri's journey
Nah. We all knew he had died but that doesn't mean the character has to. Harrison Ford in the MCU is proof of that. WF really dragged
@@cainekass No, it proved the opposite. Nobody cares about Ross that character means nothing to anyone. T'Challa was actually a lead character that went through actual development.
@@nathanieldiaz5254 i think they should have made a black panther origin to show how the first black panther was like
People really don't understand how much Chadwick's passing affected the MCU. He was the only infinity saga lead that people were really excited for post endgame
Lol people were excited for Spider-Man and Doctor Strange to return as well.
Edit: Read your post wrong, thought you meant phase 3 leads only. People were excited for Thor and Scarlet Witch to return too among others, definitely not just Black Panther.
I think the rest of the cast returning was exciting too but having him show up during the portal scene is a big part of why it's so exciting
nah bp is a trash character, but they should have recasted the role
@@skatemo100 like he said ppl were really excited to see black panther that simple like you clowns always got to add something like what he said wasn’t true clown 🤡
@jonzu4 spidey didn't crack a billion till no way home, black panther did and won multiple Oscar's. I'm still hyped for spiderman 4
2 Black Panthers (Brother & Sister) fighting together would've been epic. I think Namor would've kidnapped T' Challa's son instead of Shuri or still kidnapped Shuri while T' Challa is on his trip.
What tha phuck or you talkin' about? There would've been nothing epic about it. There has only ever been One Black Panther to Protect and Lead Wakanda. Watch the First movie again.
RIP Chadwick 😔
Wakanda Forever!!
He maybe gone but never forgotten right?
@@kaidenzarif9086”In my culture, death is not the end.” -T’Challa
@@freemakerthings4518 it's more of a jumping off point.
I still tear up when they show the slow motion clip of his smile.
I personally think that if the Boseman version had been made, Black Panther: The Two Kings or Black Panther: Two Kings would’ve been a perfect name, as it highlights both T’Challa and Namor, but I also think Wakanda Forever is the perfect name for the movie
@erikdaniels0n King of Wakanda vs King of the Ocean would've incredible
@@sam041390 plus what they did with Namor in the actual movie was really good.
Wakanda Forever should’ve been the name of the fourth movie
I could’ve sworn at one point one of the rumored titles was “The War of Two Kings”
@@giancosheridan1490 could’ve been used for a third movie.
I remember seeing Black Panther: Wakanda Forever in the theater and I was sobbing. I heard several people sobbing in the opening scene. That’s definitely a memory I’ll never forget, film is great that way because it can bring everyone inner humanity out. RIP Chadwick… also screw cancer.
You were probably crying about how terrible the movie was.
That moment of silence was so loud 😪.
No chill. Dayummm @@fishertheadore6095
I wish that had been mine. In mine I had several teenagers LAUGHING during his funeral and the opening intro. I don't know if they wear laughing at the film, something on a phone or at something between them but regardless they wear showing ZERO respect.
They made money off your emotions bro
Chadwick Boseman forever!
Chadwick Boseman is the only celebrity death that genuinely hurt me. I cried the day, and spent a summer just watching his movies; BP, 42, and Ma Rainey.
As much as i love the film we got, it still saddens me that Chadwick was taken from us too soon. That man deserved a long life. RIP to the King. Wakanda Forever.
I loved the film as well. Just wonder what if??? I really did enjoyed wakanda forever don’t see why it got so much hate
Knowing the massive undertaking that had to be done after the untimely passing of Chadwick Boseman, this film really came together the best way it could have, Ryan Coogler really is a super talented director and writer. Thanks for another brilliant episode bro.
#1 It would've been Better NOT being made.
or #2 It would've been Better continuing T'Challa's legacy.
I do think that Ryan Coogler made the best film possible out of a horrible situation.
Chadwick's passing was treated respectfully and beautifully. Everything fits. Nakia doesn't need to be disrespected in favor of Storm now, as their son can now fill that role with some inevitable time jumps/incursion/multiverses ending/timeline unification to age him up. And it won't take away from Chadwick's legacy.
I find it a very interesting topic, especially considering how the film Black Panther 2 might have turned out with Chadwick Boseman if he were still alive. Regardless, this actor will always be remembered as Black Panther, and may his soul rest in peace.
Finally someone gets it. T'Challa was and will always be the Black Panther.
Thank you I’ve been wondering about this one for a while. I miss Chadwick so much
Same
This movie honored Boseman so so well. I cried during… most of it.
No it did not, continue on with the Iconic character & lead of the franchise by continuing his work by eventually recasting would've been true Honoring Chadwick! Acting & score was dope again but writing & story wasnt
You should make Scott Derrickson original version of doctor strange multiverse of madness
That's a good one but I don't think there's been a whole lot of plot details come out, other than Derrickson wanted it to be a straight-up horror film. Truthfully, the final version could have it's own video since so much was cut out.
@@cinemaarts8795And Marvel wouldn't let him. I think what Raimi did was fine. At least Scott got a producer credit on it.
@@cinemaarts8795 I'm most curious about the writing differences. Famously, MoM was rewritten and cut apart and stitched back together many times and the script only came together months before shoot, which is why some parts are so poorly written -- despite Raimi directing the absolute hell out of the film. I doubt Derrickson's version would have been anywhere near as well directed, but it might've been a more cohesive story (or perhaps it was just bad, which is why he was let go??)
@@Visulth Or Derrickson wanted MoM to be more stand-alone, that's been a big issue with some directors (like Edgar Wright). I remember he also wanted Nightmare to be the main villain.
@kdusel1991 DON'T YOU DARE. That movie sucked absolute ass and I waited YEARS for it. It had no head or tail, no real rythm, what was even the point of America Chavez? Why ruin Wanda's villainy in Wanda Vision just to make her a villain in MOM anyway? WHY WHY waste the amazing set up for Mordo like that?
The only redeeming element of the movie was the fight scene with the evil Doctor Strange variant. That was it. I don't even blame Raimi, since the shtshow is definitely credited to poor planning and this dumbass need to include the Fox MCU. What a waste. Shtty greenscreen too
I loved Chad's black panther and it's sad that he died so young man😢
I remember being at work and getting a notification from my friend that Chadwick had passed. I looked it up and started to cry after I learned that he had been suffering in silence which is relatable to me
Glad to see you're still doing the voiceover! Great vid
Thanks!
This was the first What Could’ve been I asked you to do so thank you for it, I didn’t know how vastly different the movie was. RIP Chadwick Boseman
I think while it may have rubbed some people the wrong way initially, recasting would have been the better option.
Even Boseman's family said that's what he wanted
I agree 100%.
@@EmperorGuyver this is infuriating
Absolutely
Nah
Rip Chadwick boseman he will forever be the greatest black panther ever and I think the current version of black panther 2 is great as well and how they included him in the movie but I think this version would've been great too
Thanks for the amazing video. RIP Chadwick Boseman
I mean, while I did liked Wakanda Forever for what it was, it would’ve been interesting to see this version had T’Challa been alive.
Wakanda Forever. We Miss You Chadwick Boseman.
It's a shame Chadwick passed away would've loved to see this movie R.I.P. Chadwick Boseman gone but not forgotten
People say this even though Chadwick said he's replaceable 💀.....get a life
My heart still hearts over this. Chadwick was such a gem
This is what ive been trying to search ever since i watched the film, thanks man
If only this version can be made into a animated film
Just recast the character. The mcu is for men and boys....period
I can confidently say we've all been waiting for this video🙏🏾...
Chadwick sounds like a great guy, hope his legacy’s honored❤
Thank you for making this video...just rewachted the movie and damn how much I missed Chadwick
Chadwick made the black panther movie special too me. It show about black history and a family drama and getting together and many more. But he is a Legend
I was heartbroken when I woke up to hear the tragic news of Chadwicks passing as the man was not just perfectly cast T'Challa, but he was an exceptional actor and human being who even with his condition he still dedicated himself to continuing with his career and I respect that he kept it to himself.
Even without Chadwick in the role I did quite like Wakanda Forever and I thought even though it wasn't perfect, it was still an incredibly heartfelt and somber goodbye to both T'Challa and Chadwick, tackling grief, isolation, colonisation etc...and exploring other characters like Shuri, Queen Ramonda, M'Baku, Namor etc... Although I wish we could've gotten the original script of T'Challa and Namor facing off together, I do think this was of course a difficult situation and in my eyes they did the best they could and I think they did a good job respecting the character and actors passing.
Rest in peace Chadwick Boseman, rest in power my King👑🕊️🐈⬛
WAKANDA FOREVER🙅🏾♂️
Can you do the alternate plans for Spider-Man:No Way Home? It was going to have Kraven as the villain and no multiverse plot
We're so lucky they didn't go with that version. Now we get to see how Sony screws Kraven up in his own film. Classic Sony.
@@nathanieldiaz5254 Doesn't really matter since they basically just recycled the basic premise for Spider Man 2
@@CoolManCoolMan123 How so?
@@nathanieldiaz5254 Kraven is in SM2. They also probably would've introduced venom for next few movies.
I can look into it
1:05 also in the comics T'Challa and Shuri have an Adopted brother named Hunter who was bullied by most of the other Wakandaian kids for being white he would also take on the mantle of the White Wolf after he was banished
Your voiceovers are great man. Just wanna remind you !
Also,, your legible way of speaking lends itself well to captions. Your channel and work is accessible for readers that may be deaf or hard of hearing. Don’t listen to fools you’re doing great !
Thanks!
😳 Man, seeing Chadwick again in your video, reliving the cultural impact The Black Panther movie had on the world, and seeing what could’ve happened next - all hit me really hard right now. I also remember how emotional it was to watch Wakanda Forever and the actors cry real tears on screen because they were grieving the loss of their friend in real time. And then the surprise of seeing his son at the mid credit scene. Man… there wasn’t a dry eye in the movie theatre… Thank you for sharing this breakdown while 1) explaining the challenge that Ryan Coogler had, 2) expressing the logic behind the creative changes that were made, and 3) still honoring Chadwick Boseman’s legacy in a respectful manner, and how he changed Marvel cinematic history forever. Well done, sir.
#NewSubscriber
Rest in peace Chadwick Boseman
It still hurts man...
@@kdusel1991 I know my friend. He was fantastic as Black Panther.
He was a true king to hold it down and take the pain in silence and not let use as his fans feel sad knowing there is nothing we can do but cheer him on and be happy for his long Success from where he came love you always and will see you one day again brother
In the long run they should’ve just recast
Delay the film for a few years
Do your tributes, and move forward
Now it feels like we’ll never see Tchalla again
Pretty much. They recast Thunderbolt Ross.
@@Christian39521well they named T'Challa's son after him. So I think it was the filmmakers way of having the best of both worlds where they can Shuri as Black Panther for a number of years while also waiting until this new T'Challa becomes an adult and you tell stories about him when that day comes
Idk some roles recasting just doesn't work. I think recasting only works for side characters
@@bigstunna2049 His Black Panther just isn't as iconic as several other characters. You couldn't recast Iron Man, Captain America or Thor since they've been with us since the beginning. Black Panther had Civil War, his own movie and Infinity War, plus a short appearance in the climax of Endgame. Chadwick was good in the role, but not so good he couldn't be replaced.
No, they should have just left it as T'Challa returns home (as in the end of Endgame) and he either quietly retires, or he remains in the background while we focus on other characters.
For BP2 I wish they pivoted by having either Daniel kaluyas character become the Panther so as to honour his best friend or a multiversal Kilmonger whose world was wiped out by Kang
Another great video
Keep it up man you continue to knock it out of the park
Appreciate it! Thank you and will do my best
Rest in peace Chadwick boseman
WAKANDA FOREVER
To me, this is better than Wakanda Forever.
Other than T'challa wanting to bring his 8 year old son on a potentially deadly mission, it did sound like a great plot.
"Black Panther Love & Thunder" ass plot
@@RoasterProductionsWas that English?
@@detroitdiezel7856 I understood it. Read it slowly and maybe you'd comprehend
I absolutely love the effort you put into these videos. They're so interesting. Thanks for the great content!
Can't wait for your video on the canceled Avengers: Kang Dynasty
It would have made a fortune if Chadwick Boseman was in Black Panther 2. In honor of Chadwick I did not watch part 2 nor do I want to and I'm sure I not the only one. He worked so hard to make the movie how could they not present it beats me.
5:51 Beautiful picture.
Did not plan on getting emotional again watching this. Its hard to express the joy i had seeing kids in theaters getting hyped and enjoying the first black panther and into the spiderverse in theaters in 2018.
Black panther 2 was still pretty good. But had Chadwick not unfortunately died it could've been even better! RIP 😭😭
He definitely deserves all the love and respect from his fans. I miss Chadwick deeply. However it’s becoming slightly frustrating how Marvel doesn’t want T’challa to exist in any media right now even with what happened in the New X-men cartoon. I hope that they will give us the character back in the future because T’challa was an amazing character long before Chadwick but he will always be one of my favorite MCU actors without a doubt. I wish all his friends and family well too.
Man the one with the panther sibling duo sounds amazing.
Wakanda Forever is the best movie I don't think I can ever watch again. Too heart breaking.
I like black panther wakanda forever
That's so unfortunate. This movie sounds like it would have been great. I love the son dynamic. Rip Chadwick
R.I.P. Mr. Boseman.
Apart of me did wish he was recast but after seeing the movie I think it was well put together movie and one of the better ones in Phase 4. I appreciate the emotion that was put into this and I think they did a terrific job of honoring Chadwick Boseman. Plus at the end they gave Black Panther a son so in several years from now when the son grows into an adult they can tell more T'Challa stories later on and Shuri being Black Panther has a bunch of story potential. That's one part of the original draft I don't like where having two Black Panthers at once feels too repetitive. Superheroes have always had sidekicks and mirror copycats of each other but I felt like this was not only too on the nose but also wouldn't have brought as much story potential as what we got instead. And while Chadwick Boseman would want his legacy continue and recast even I'm that he would also respect Kevin Fiege and Marvel's decision on not recasting him
This is my biggest “what if” movie as someone who is a massive fan of Black Panther. But also knowing that Marvel wanted this character to be such a big player in the Multiverse saga.
Yeah. Supposedly, Dr Strange, Captain Marvel and Black Panther were supposed to be the leaders of this saga like Iron Man, Thor & Captain America.
@@BurritoKingdom we were robbed 😪
@@torrencesampson3584 with the critical and commercial failure of Multiverse of Madness and the Marvels and Letita Wright's controversial statements, those plans completely failed. Now Marvel is hoping Deadpool and Wolverine become marvel Jesus.
a legend lives on a great actor WAKANDA FOREVER
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RIP Boseman. It's a shame because this movie sounds much better than the underwhelming one we got instead. Honestly they should've just recast and did it in a way that honored him.
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I like Black Panther Wakanda forever but I kind of wish we got this
Shuri's suit and the concepts were sick as fuck, ngl
Long live CB76 Long live the Black Panther
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What could’ve been: Joe Zito’s Spider-Man
4:19 I always wished to see Halle Berry’s Storm interact with Chadwick Boseman’s Black Panther
While obviously the original idea of Black Panther 2 would've naturally been better as it would've been T'Challa's story continued, I do think Coogler and Marvel did the best they could to move forward after Boseman's death. No matter what they did, some fans would be upset. I think they upheld Boseman's legacy and showed alot of respect to him.
For once I think the final product was better, but I miss Chadwick so much. Only celeb deaths that affected me this much were Robin Williams and Jeff Beck.
God, I wish we got this and so many more films with Chadwick Boseman as Black Panther. But Coogler and everyone involved I think did a great job with Wakanda Forever.
W.Snipes needs to be in one of these, hopefully as Blade-cameo thing, or at least a villain as the MF is great in such rolls.
We lost Kobe, Nip, and Chadwick Boseman in an eerily close proximity 🙏🏿🙏🏿♥️💪🏿✊🏿
The MCU should have recast Chadwick Boseman and not kill off his character
Black Panther 2 was still very good considering the unfortunate circumstances in which Boseman passed! to make a quality project with such short time and drastic alterations! I credit everyone who contributed to the adjustment!
Coogler and the crew did a great job making the movie we got despite the circumstances
Chadwick’s T’Challa was also gonna be a part of the new Big Three, which was Spider man, Black Panther, and Falcon, but they were scrapped after the actor passed away
RIP KING 😭
They should have recast
They did the best they could with what they had. Black Panther 2 was a good, emotional movie. But you can't help but think while watching how much better it could have been with Chadwick Boseman. He was the future of marvel and could have carried the next avengers movie. Marvel is really missing a huge talent with Boseman gone. The future movies have no one of his caliber to replace him.
Recast Tchalla 💯💯💯
Should be Ryan Gosling
Man, this is one of those what if movies that I wish we could’ve gotten.
Don’t get it twisted, I really liked what we got in the theater and the music, however, this script sounded even better than the revised version.
If only Chadwick was still alive, I think the second movie would’ve surpassed the first one smh!!!😔😔 I can still remember where I was when I first heard about his passing.
coffee is ready bossman let go lol
They have to recast Tchalla. I think Chadwick would want the character to continue. He’s our only black male superhero other than Blade. To carry on with a female lead is not what we need right now.
This movie could have benefitted from a recast.
No, they made the right choice.
@@nathanieldiaz5254 No they didn't shill, sit down. Even Boseman said he wanted it to go on even if it wasn't him, initially telling us something.
Only idiots think killing off a man's legacy was a good idea
@@EmperorGuyver Why the insults? You're actively looking for a fight where there is none. You think they should've recast him, I don't. No need to be disrespectful about it.
@@nathanieldiaz5254 Disrespectful is killing off a man's legacy who made these while dying for you ungrateful children
Rip Chadwick what an actor
Wonder if there’s an alternative reality where there is a BP2 with Chadwick. Major loss, RIP.
The version of the movie that was released really sat with me and made me emotional, not JUST bc the tribute they paid to Chadwick, which was extremely beautiful and heartwarming, but bc both opposing sides portrayed in the movie make up both of my ethnic backgrounds and just really hit home.
They should’ve recasted him and dedicate the movie to his memory
Coogler had an incredibly difficult task ahead of him but I think the end producto came out great given the circumstances
Chadwick you will be known as the black panther of the MCU best part of it
Ryan coogler is a genius. He had to go through all that and still manage to make a little over 800 million.
Just because Chadwick Boseman died, didn't mean that T'Challa had to die with him, as they could have recasted since it wouldn't have been the first time that Marvel Studios had done so, even for dead actors such as the case for the recasting of General Ross for the upcoming release of Captain America: Brave New World.
Besides, the MCU ended with Avengers: Endgame.
With or without Chadwick Boseman I think they made the right choice killing Queen Ramonda because Shuri needed a reason to take up the mantle as Black Panther. An argument could be made she shouldn't until the third movie if Chadwick Boseman lived but that were the case and I wrote the movie I'd keep that and the conversation she had with Killmonger the same with a few minor changes in dialogue of course. I would also change the scene where Shuri and Ramonda talk about the lost of T'Challa to them talking about the lost of T'Chaka and the final fight would be between Namor and the two Black Panthers that ends the same, with Shuri showing mercy.
I actually came out of Tenet when I read that Chadwick had passed and that hit me more than Tenet's twist. My only tiny gripes with Wakanda Forever are that despite sitting in a Megalodon jaw, there's not one in the film. Also the rumors of Doctor Doom made me hopeful that there'd be one.
I was hoping doom would be the reason for tchalla death in the movie fr...but I suppose I get why the director wanted shuri to not have someone to blame and whatnot
Absolutely wonderful. Thank you!
RIP Chadwick 💔