THE BEST OIL PAINTING SURFACE PT 2: How to Make Linen Panels at Home
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- I'n my previous video I talked about why ACM (aluminum composite panels or Dibond) is the absolute best surface to paint on and showed you how to create a custom ground for it. But what if you want to paint on linen? In part 2 of this series I'm walking through the full process to prepare linen painting panels at home using ACM.
If you missed part 1 where I talk about why you should use ACM and how to prepare it using a custom ground, check it out here: • WHAT OIL PAINTING SURF...
Here are the supplies you'll need:
A sheet of aluminum composite material (ACM): Get this from a local sign supply
A roll of linen large enough to cover your panel (I'm using Claessens C13DP): www.jerrysartarama.com/canvas...
Lineco pH Neutral PVA Glue: www.jerrysartarama.com/lineco...
Tools:
X-acto knife to trim the linen/remove excess glue
Palette knife to reapply glue into areas that didn't fully adhere
A brayer or other smooth tool to disperse the glue
To prep the ACM:
320 grit sandpaper (to dull the enamel, if your sheet has that coating)
Rubbing alcohol to remove any oil or residue after removing the film and sanding
And if you just want to skip this whole process and buy panels with linen on it 😂, check out Raymar: www.raymarart.com/collections...
They don't have my preferred linen on ACM at this point, but I believe I've heard that they will in the future.
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I feel your pain watching this Chelsea, I too used to play Tetris with books for weight on a newly glued panel, but discovered a more efficient method. I bought 2 sheets of drywall and 2 large cement blocks from local home improvement store. I cut the sheets of drywall down to the exact size of my table. Now, once glueing is done I simply set both sheets of drywall over the panel (covering the entire table) and place the concrete blocks on top (I have 3). Since using this method I have found that I rarely, if ever, have an edge that isn't adhered to the panel. When not in use, I store the drywall along a wall next to the table & the blocks are stored under the table to avoid a trip hazard. Hope this helps you or someone else Chelsea! Cheers.
Great suggestion. I will definitely try this.
Thank you for sharing the process. I've wanted to try ACM surface for painting for a while now, and knowing that I can add linen this way is awesome. Thank you! 😊
Love your art library! Thanks for the explanation.
Cool cool. Just started thinking about mounting linen to a substrate. Thanks.
Glad to help! I wish you the very best of luck. :)
Thank you so much for this very informative video .
Glad it was helpful! You are very welcome. :)
Thank you for this wonderful video. Just wondering, what's your advise on gluing on a backing of a stretched exhibition canvas before oil painting?
Great video .. I learned a lot.
I am very new to painting but I have spent decades working wood. I don't know if you still use this method as the video is 4 years old. I would suggest using a polyurethane glue " Gorilla" or something similar instead of PVA for a better adhesion. Also, if you use PVA glue it is heat activated so if your ends are not completely bonded after the first clamping you can use a regular household iron to reactivate that glue on the ends or anywhere you may find a bubble that did not adhere, I've done this many times with thin wood veneer. If you get any bleeding through the canvas, I believe the oil paint will adhere better to the polyurethan glue than the PVA. I would suggest trying the polyurethane on a small panel to see if you like the results as it has totally different properties when gluing. I love all your videos and am totally grateful for your insight and the time you spend to teach us newbies, Thank You!!
from experience I would recommend making a backing frame to surround the sheet with a cross member as it can twist and warp if not stored safely with nothing leaning against it. best to frame it after you're painting is complete also be careful not to use too much glue as the panel can slide on the canvas when weight is applied during the drying process. Ps these materials generally are expensive especially PH neutral glue. use a rolling pin to smooth out air bubbles prior to weighing the canvas down. A table lamp directed at a low angle will help you see those annoying air pockets under the canvas. too too late once its dry so be aware and take you're time
I like your no bs, stay calm and carry on, videos. I just started painting a few weeks ago and have been making DIY birch and linen panels so ACM panels make a lot of sense. I found some ACM panels. The standard 3mm thick panels have .085 aluminum on both sides as opposed to Dibond’s .12 aluminum, but standard 3mm Dibond costs $300 a sheet versus generic ACM at $75. For painting I doubt the thickness of the aluminum is very important. Also the 4ftx8ft 3mm sheet seemed slightly flimsy at that size. We’ll see when I cut it down to smaller panels. The ACM is available in 6mm at $140 but it was not available due to “supply chain issues”. I plan to try it next time as even at twice the thickness it only weighs about 2 lbs per sq ft. I also plan to try the ACM with just ground, cotton canvas, and linen. I am curious as to linen vs cotton for archival purposes, not that I give a rip (ha!). As usual, The net seems to have conflicting info on this. If I like cotton I’ll probably use it as the cost is much less, although if I like naked ground I’ll probably go there. Keep up the good work.
Oh man, so jealous of your art books! Especially the Loish one.
Thank you! 😂My art book buying habit can definitely feel like a problem sometimes.
@@ChelseaLang The best kind of problem!
If I want to be able to erase back to the white ground of my painting as you talk about around 3:01 can I just prime my surface with multiple layers of oil paint? Seeing as your linen is oil primed? Or is it a special type of oil. Love your videos very informative
Great tutorial. One question, because I messed up. When trimming the linen I accidentally trimmed too much into the canvas. Then, when sizing, the fabric shrunk ever more. Any suggestions on how to remove the linen altogether, once its been adhered?
Hi Chelsea. Thanks for the video. What thickness are these ACM /ACP panels please?
I’m crying because you put these valuable books that I am looking for in my country but I cannot get them
Thank you very much, but before I paint (egg tempera) much better to stick very fine linen on plywood, and make gesso on the canvas when stuck on the plywood? Which linen is the best I need by weight or thickness?
Have you ever considered putting another sheet of the aluminum over the linen before adding the books? Or a piece of plywood? Might help evently distribute the weight.
I am glad to see this video as when I called an supplier of aluminum panels, he said the ph neutral glue (I use the same one as you) won’t penetrate the surface of the aluminum and there won’t be a bond. Your video seems to show otherwise.
How often do you get air bubbles inside your panels?
Can you give me an idea of the price of this method vs getting it premade (good quality pre-made) thx
you dont need to scuff the aluminum panel for better adhesion ?
What did i see, Anders Zorn book?! where did you get that?
After applying the glue and the layer of fabric, would it be possible to flip the canvas over into your cutting mat before adding the books? The heavier and stiffer underlayer (now on top) would help to evenly distribute the weight of the books all the way out to the edges and could save the amount of edge curling and separation you're getting from your linen.
Just a thought.
I enjoy your videos (the few I've watched so far) and will be working my way through the rest shortly. Thank you for sharing.
Thank you Tim! I think this is a really good idea. 😊I haven't tried it but next time I have a small panel (easy to experiment) I'll give that a go! This is definitely something where I'd use glassine between my panel and the table itself. I think it could work though.... I am not sure if the edges lift because they don't have enough glue or don't get enough pressure, but I do know that most artists who make panels have the same thing happen. Maybe one day we can all just have vacuum tables to do the hard part for us... 😂
I was going to say something similar. I will be doing this as a test since I have not yet used the aluminum panels yet, but i'm am curious. I would recommend keeping an extra panel, or a similarly sized flat board to place on top of the panel you are preparing after laying the canvas down on the glue. Then you could place weights on that panel without worrying as much about getting glue on your books or whatever you are using to weigh it down. This also provides a clean surface against your canvas instead of the books, bricks, or whatever you might use .
Try ABS plastics also. It is a good alternative.
How do you hang your painting on the wall?
You might want to consider putting the same type of canvas on both sides of the panel. The reason is that it is possible to make an unstable lamiante if the fabric changes dimensions when wet with the glue. If the fabric adheres as the glue dries, but is still tacky, then the fabric becomes stuck in its wet dimension, but when the fabic becomes bone dry, it wants to return to its original dimension.That may evenetually warp the panel? Also, what is the effect of continued tension over time with its bonding to the panel, and with the surface paint layer?...If both front and rear of the panel are bonded with the same material, then they may balance each other. Which one possible answer to the question of laminating material which have different coefficients of expansion...over time, With only one surface laminated the layers are in conflict could their has been problems . For instance, there is an old church in Californis ( churthe Ch of St Francis, if I remember??) which was orginally finished in lime stucco, but when later covered in Portaland cement stucco. The new stucco's lack of flexabilty and hardness, destroyed the original soft underlying building blocks, causing major structual failure... Just a concern.
Thanks! I would definitely jump the gun and not wait long enough!
How did this work out for u dear? Was thinking about ordering some ACM and lineco adhesive, but rublev I know has adhesive($20 shipping) that def works for ACM. and my local acm supplier closes before I'm off work. But they 4'x8' sheets for $58! (3mm) the 4mm I think was like $75. Still, quite a bit cheaper than jerrys if u can pick it up. I think I'm gna try both, using ur lineco, then if it doesn't yield good results I'll spend another $50 and try rublevs
Linecos bond to acm is maybe as strong as maskin tape...its rather very strong on ampersand hardbosrd
Warm the panel with hair dryer while peeling film.
Maybe aluminium is not good for pv glue?
Is this what Jessica zoob using
Here's a problem. The primed linen has pin holes. Put it up to a light and you may see it on primed linen bought from a manufacturer. Guess what? When you glue that primed linen onto a surface, whatever glue you use will make its way to the painting side of the canvas. You might not even notice it. But years after painting on it, the paint starts to fragment as it is detaching from the canvas because you painted on glue. Something to consider. Every canvas panel I bought from a company that glues pre primed linen canvas on panels has developed problems due to this.
One maufacturer says these panels are only good for 30 years. Eventually the plastic in the middle will break down. Can't see why with all your great talent you'd want to go against the wisdom of t he ages.
I'm sure this manufacturer was talking about when they are used for their typical purpose out on the store front of some gas station somewhere subject to weather and environmental change much greater.... Is sort of like compairing house primer actually used on a outside wall of house as opposed to a piece of art sitting on someone's living Room wall. And I don't know if you've noticed, that if you look around you can find conflicting evidence for just about any artistic Claim. We just do the best we can with what we can and here in 30 years it will be someone else's problem to replace the substrate. Which I guess is the benefit of using a reversible glue like she did
You so beutifull
Why panels?!
Good question! So panels are generally easier to transport, take up less space, but most importantly they aren't subject to warping the way stretched canvas is, making your work even more archival. :)
@@ChelseaLang ok so are you saying my paintings will warp with time 🤤
@@k.k8791 Don't despair! I'm thinking forward a couple hundred years. If well cared for, paintings on stretched canvas do just fine. I just don't want to take any chances I don't have to, and enjoy work on panels. :)
@@ChelseaLang oh ok 👌 but i have more important question : how bad is cotton canvas, is it really that it will last only for 10 years till it starts to tear up and crack due to the oil reaction with the fibers?
@@k.k8791 I took a look at MITRA and didn't see anything damning about cotton as a canvas type, but I do tend to avoid cotton canvases because the texture and absorbency is never appealing to me. I'd say in general, if you think your work warrants the cost, linen is considered the professional standard and has a much nicer appearance and working quality than cotton. That being said, if you are still seeing improvements piece after piece, it is probably more beneficial to focus on cost effective materials because you likely won't care too much about today's paintings a year from now. :)
From 8:24 , everyting just became a blur except the cleavitch. Thanks..
Great video but the “upspeak”, or uptalk” as it is also called, just kills me. Sorry.