Fr. Even LA is better to live in at this point. Goes to show if people get told a city is good enough times they’ll start to believe it enough to live there
Also coming from someone who grew up In Cattaraugus County, New York (western NY), there's a huge divide between that region and NYC...it might as well be in a different state altogether. Most people have nothing but disdain and disgust for anything having to do with NYC, Long Island, and Albany.
Grew up in upstate NY Rochester area actually grew up in Hamlin NY and I agree NYC and Albany has ruined NY. I live in Jacksonville FL now and can't wait to get the hell out of here.
@@Ecotechnologist Albany is where the governor is and, more often than not, their interests are opposed to a lot of the people in the more rural areas of the state
As a lifelong New Yorker, the #1 reason has to be rising costs. Rents were always ridiculous but they’ve exploded the last few years. My small one bedroom was $2200 a month in 2020. When I checked about moving back in 2022, two years later, it was $2600, and that’s a rent stabilized apartment.
Even up here in Buffalo it's bad. And it used to be cheap to live here. I rented when I was first out of college for several years in the mid 2000's and it was $500/mo for a descent sized place and that included heat which is huge. Now something similar is $1700-2000. Yes of course there has been inflation, but that only accounts for some of the increase. It would maybe be a grand if it was just straight inflation, but now pushing 2 grand something else is definitely at play here. One thing for certain is property tax. The property owners pay way more and pass the cost on to the tenants.
@@User-LS-n5m I'm sure they are not all democrat. But most are. Most people are leaving democrat states because their policies are catching up with them. Relaxed crime. Illegal immigrants. High taxes.
It has nothing to do with democrats or republicans. There’s nowhere near enough affordable housing in the city, and way too much luxury housing development. It’s an extremely complex issue, and anyone dumbing it down to “it’s the democrats” has no idea what they’re talking about. Much of it is the result of gentrification, lacking regulations to protect renters, and corporate greed.
As a New Yorker, I will give you some context. The New York City population does leave quite a bit. However, they don’t just all leave the state. A lot of them move upstate to places like Albany. A lot of the upstate residences are moving out. But it doesn’t show that because of the New York City residences Moving upstate so it makes it look a lot slower than it really is.
True I’m from upstate and people are flooding out of here on the regular. I’ve already had 5 friends I grew up with and went to high school with leave for the Sun Belt and I’m 22
This exactly. You can see this by looking at the Capitol region presidential results. Saratoga and Rensselaer counties used to vote Republican but because of downstate transplants and Republicans leaving they now vote Democrat
This! I rented a basement in Queens at $1300 plus $100 for the parking space. During COVID this rent went up $100 so I was going to pay $1500 in a basement. So my husband and I realized this was going to get too damn high soon enough. Flash Forward to 2023 and we were able to buy an old house in Syracuse, NY to pay only $700 in mortgage, and the house has its own parking. In total I'm paying half in mortgage in Syracuse than what it costs to rent a basement (not precisely legal actually) in the city. And stories like mine are very common. Many people move out of the city and buy an old abandoned house upstate where is soo damn cheap because locals are leaving.
22:56 That's the weird thing with my peers, they all are in good professions, but don't complain about housing costs seemingly content with achieving what middleclass people had decades ago. I chalk it up to not having a frame of reference to compare (maybe they don't have parents in the area) and think this is what is normal to achieve for their level of income.
I was apart of that group, since I've left I have felt so much better and far from room to stretch to, sometimes I question how ppl can live in a sardine can for 3K a month considering the rest of the country is massive, spacious with peace and quiet depending where you live
As a 25 y/o who lives in NJ and commutes to NYC for work, I think the biggest issue is really the incredibly high rents. The City is still a highly desirable place to live, especially for young professionals in media, finance, banking, consulting and fashion. However, it has become too expensive for young professionals starting their careers to move in. It's also starting to get tougher because not many companies are fully remote anymore. Most companies have implemented a hybrid working schedule at this point that requires employees to come into the office at least some days. I don't know a single person now who is fully remote, whereas 2-3 years, most of us were remote. Not sure how this will effect the situation but I can only imagine it will put more pressure on the rental market.
The RTO mandates may cause more housing demand, but there was a significant cohort of people who moved away from NY during COVID to a lower cost of living market. Some of the cohort return to NY to keep their jobs, but others may quit to find a job in their local market (or remotely). However, fed rate cuts may also induce sidelined renters to qualify for mortgages and buy houses, putting downward pressure on rents. Ultimately, a renter should compare their income and consider an appropriate situation and commute.
How does working remote help NYC, People who work remote normally font live in NYC. Plus if you make really good money and work remote, you obviously move to a tax friendly state. I have a director who visit us once a week every month in California. He saves so much money by not being a California resident. Cant wait to be in that position.
After 18 years I left the city, covid was the catalyst that made me buy a house upstate, NYC became such an expensive 💩 hole, I was paying 2400 for an apartment infested with roaches and mice, now I pay 1900 for two story house, huge front and backyard with a pool, my kids are so happy.
My question as someone who’s lived here for 14 years has always been: where’s the supply and demand? I thought that if demand goes down, then supply should be up and therefore prices should come down. However, even on a declining population, rent prices continue to skyrocket in NYC. It’s like this city ignores all rules of capitalism to screw you over.
I've had a running theory that most of the rental properties are owned by a handful of people that have conspired to run NYC real estate as a monopoly.. So if they start to drop the rent on one building that sets a precedent to drop the rent on all of the buildings.. so its more profitable to just keep many empty even for years so as not to devalue the properties that are cash flowing.
One explanation is that people who can’t afford to live there leave, but the people who remain have a lot of money and are willing to pay the premium to live in nyc, since it offers things you can’t get anywhere else. Also mostly wealthy people from other states and countries are crazy enough to move here
I've lived in NY state all my life. It really sucks being in a small city with prices as high as NYC. Rent is expensive, food is expensive, and they are seemingly unable to control inflation. If you don't live in NYC, there's not really a whole lot to do, either. Most of the state is rural, or is a small city with insanely high violent crime rates. It's cold as balls. The Bills are like the only thing NY state has going for it besides the big apple. Id rather live most other places
While New York is the fastest shrinking state, Florida is one of the fastest growing state. 1830 New York: 1,918,608 people 1900 New York: 7,268,894 people 1960 New York: 16,782,304 people 2024 New York: 19,469,232 people Now compare that to Florida of similar size... 1830 Florida: 34,730 people 1900 Florida: 528,542 people 1960 Florida: 4,951,560 people 2024 Florida: 22,975,931 people
Fast growth is dangerous as well. We’ve seen this in American cities, fast growth typically means terribly planned and terribly inefficient infrastructure and city planning. Florida is suburban sprawl, we need to do better.
Life long NYC resident here. Here's what I've noticed since 1988: crime and cleanliness kept improving dramatically since the early 90's when it was really bad, but then started digressing in the 2010's, cost of housing and living has absolutely skyrocketed to obscene levels to the point that it's basically impossible to live alone, there are no nyc 'locals' in the main part of the city bc they can't afford it, way too many regulations, way too pricey to build anything here or run a business, high taxes, corporatism has led to a loss of culture bc only places like TD banks can afford rent in most areas, cool neighborhoods become gentrified with luxury housing within a decade, giving them weird dystopian ghostown vibes and pricing out the residents that made it cool, there's lot of traffic made worse by anti-car culture permeating the city. A lot of the manufacturing and design and art studios that used to exist here are long gone, nightlife has been overrun with bottle service type experiences catering the the IG lifestyle. Not to mention our state and local leaders are more often than not corrupt and incompetent. All in all it feels like the character of the city is eroding and you're paying way more for that privilege.
I want ny to have what pa have we need to split it make it a state that represents the people of it region more better as Pennsylvania does even so it does have it own flaws it still better than this
I grew up in Brooklyn. The biggest problem w/ NYC is that the incredible advantages and accumulated resources of the city are completely taken advantage of and neglected. Go to any major, wealthy city in other developed nations and you will see that the wealth and development provides obvious and basic benefits like well-maintained public transit, clean and beautfied surroundings, bike lanes, and ample economic opportunities. NY has the 'capacity' for all these things - robust infrastructure, transit, workforce, and jobs -- but all of it is neglected and taken advantage of. Why is there so much garbage verywhere? Why is the subway so degraded, dysfunctional, and generally unpleasant to be on? Good luck relying on the many, many buses to arrive on time. The streets are absolutely clogged with cars and trucks despite the abundance of public transit, which creates excessive noise, pollution, and congestion. Congestion pricing, the bare minimum to address that last issue, was scrapped for no good reason by a politician who has no connection to the city. This will accelerate and worsen the financial spiral of the MTA. The police act like an occupying military, the rich are disconnected from the civic life and live in privileged bubbles, most neighborhoods and areas outside the wealthy core are perpetual ghettos with extremely low rates of homeownership, and landlords generally have 0 respect or care for their tenants. Not to mention political corruption, everything being incredible expensive, and many, many jobs paying low wages and no benefits. This city would be 10X better if the people with power and authority cared to improve the most basic and obvious problems.
i always compare NYC to London they just seem like sister cities and have been the 2 most important cities for the last 150 years and the former has fallen so far behind these days its sad. its filthy too. i moved from NYC to London in 2018 and don't regret it for a single second. NYC is dying
Living in Chicago, I can relate to every single problem except that rent is more reasonable here. I want to start a family, and as fun as this place is to be a young adult, I think my priorities have changed and it's time to leave.
No way in F**k is rent even on average $3000/mo in Jersey City. I found a luxury 2br apartment for $2100. The mean was $2000-2300...versus $2800-4000 in Brooklyn & Queens - not Manhattan! Also property taxes in NJ is at least 10% cheaper than anywhere in "downstate" NY.
Grew up in the NYC suburbs and left after college. It's too expensive to live there & too crowded. Great place to live if you love that kind of thing and have the $$$ but it's not for me.
They say to live in NYC you either need to be really rich, or really poor.. .the middle class makes too much money to quality for government subsides but not enough to really live well in that expensive city.
I still live and work on Long Island in the suburbs with my parents. I refuse to move to the city like many young folk typically do, it’s too expensive. But Long Island and other suburban areas in NY also suck. They only cater to wealthier boomers with new high cost construction, there is zero affordable housing on Long Island and it’s no place for young people, just old people and families. What’s even sadder about the NY metro is that right outside the city limits is only just suburbs. Even DC has a much greater variety of housing and denser housing developments outside the city than NYC, and with more affordable options, especially for young people. I went to college near there and my brother moved there, thinking of going. Even if the DC area is still expensive, it’s still much more affordable and all around offers more than the NY metro area.
@@Ryan-cb1eias a fellow islander I second this. It’s fucking disgusting what they do in this region, the only good part about living here while between 18-35 is the fact that you can work in the city and pay less taxes. Other than that this island is expensive as all hell and the only new construction, I swear to god, are expensive houses and 55+ rental units 😐. Idk how it makes sense to charge $2,200 to an established population but me, at 20, couldn’t afford to get an apartment in Oceanside (which was the cheapest in 2022-23) because they think I should pay $2,800 😂 then to add on that they don’t have shit for young ppl and NIMBY the hell out of everything. Mazzi Pilip ruining the area even more and moving farther east mean you get less access to everything the city can offer but then can’t enjoy much since everything else that is entertaining is near the hamptons and cost Hampton prices. Need to finish my years of college then I’m out of here, I hope this fake retirement region gets what’s coming to them especially since I constantly hear the old folks here talking about relocating to Florida, Texas, or the Carolina’s. A solid place to raise a family though
@@Botyoutubeaccount Your comment got censored probably due to profanity lol, but I can see the reply in my notifications. I agree, I hope this place gets what they deserve, it’s actually such a joke the way Long Island operates. Unfortunately, I don’t think anything will ever happen because so long as people have money, they come here to outbid others for a house so their kids get access to the top schools. Even though many of the top schools (including the one I went to) are inflated in value, but the reputation is everything to these types of people, and our society still cares about that. And yeah, the NIMBYism on Long Island is out of control. You’d think they’d realize that given the only nice towns people visit here were built a very long time ago with the people in mind first, but I guess not. Everyone’s head is too deep in their pockets here to do anything legit and I’ve seen it with my own eyes, all they care about is screwing others over for their own selfish gain. I’ve seen the community leaders here, the politicians, even your average parents here are unbearable. They absolutely wouldn’t know what’s best for people.
@@Botyoutubeaccount Oh yeah and that’s right, LI is only worth it because you can commute to NYC and make that city salary. That’s the only real benefit, but it’s still crazy to think how many people will travel an hour or more to work and back everyday just to get that NYC money so they can come back to their cozy suburbs. Thank god for the LIRR, by far the best and most popular commuter train in America. Without it, this place would be a suburban sprawl hellscape of inefficiency. I’m shocked more LI NIMBY’s don’t drive into the city for work, sounds like the selfish and wasteful thing they’d likely do 😂
Extremely high cost of living, high taxes and regulations, high crime, terrible climate, very rude and disrespectful people. That’s just the most obvious starting point.
Likely mummy was patting the kiddo on the shoulder and he was not happy about it so tried to shrug her off and she just fell. Not a biggie, but weird anyway.
I had to stop and watch it again. It may have been two kids. It cuts before the other one get back up, so the edit makes it look more brutal. It was pretty jarring.
New York State is beautiful especially near the finger lakes area. Another beautiful state is Pennsylvania especially Lancaster where the Dutch people live.
Interesting fact I myself only became aware of fairly recently..."Pennsylvania Dutch" is actually German! "Dutch" came from a mispronounciation of "Deutsch" and just stuck. As a native of New York and a frequent visitor of Pennsylvania (grew up 6 miles from the PA line), I definitely agree it's beautiful country up here. I have a friend on one of the finger lakes and I go out there frequently.
6:54 this guy just said the loud part out loud upstate can not survive with the lower state control and we need to separate it split upstate, for they have different economy, social fabric, styles of living and so much more they are to different states and needs to be treated as much no longer can the upstate population be controlled by the downstate vote when they are not even the same culture anymore we need to split it. And upstate have try in the past but the city will not allow it, it is complete corruption and it makes no sense to keep it this way. SPLIT NY✊✊
Lived in NY the first nearly 30 years of my life (born in Queens, lived on and off between Queens, Brooklyn and Long Island) and moved to Jersey 4 years ago. This is why I left: 1. Traffic and infrastructure is terrible and gets worse each and every year 2. The hipsters who moved into Brooklyn and Queens that ruined everything and were happy to over pay to be in the “hustle and bustle” of the city 3. Formerly diverse and great neighborhoods got divided up into chain stores, one ways that killed navigating and are unrecognizable 4. Did I mention how damned expensive everything got? 5. Local municipalities rely on fines and tickets far too much for their yearly budgets and over pay government officials, which causes these random pushes where you’ll start getting these pockets of “ticket pushes” at random, where things that you’ve been doing for years all of a sudden is illegal, and the population suffers for it.
Previously lived in "rural" upstate New York. Most people are tired of paying exorbitant taxes to live in a terrible climate with state representation that doesn't ever throw them a bone. To make it worse, it's incredibly hard to start a small business in New York, so there's no way to improve your towns. It's time to leave.
Rochester native, here. Still have most of my family and more than a few of my friends back home. A couple of years ago I decided I didn't want to be half a country away from my aging parents anymore, but Pittsburgh was as close as I was willing to get.
We started a business in 2017 (WNY) and barely survived COVID lockdowns...business post-COVID has not returned to former levels. We are out of this state as soon as we are able.
And they say it's worth it for food scene. 😂 Meanwhile Texas has better BBQ, California has better tacos, and Hawaii has better burgers. Basically people paying $2000-4000 on rent for good pizza. 😂
@@nagasako7NYC has diverse options. All of those places you named are only regional that caters to their local cuisine and demographics. In New York, you can get American, Italian, Chinese, Vietnamese, Indian, Puerto Rican, Dominican, Mexican, Black American, Jamaican, Haitian, Greek, Turkish, Israeli, Thai, Nigerian, Middle Eastern cuisine all in one.
Long Island resident here. Cant get a good apartment for less than $1,800-$2,200 /month here. Real hard to live on your own before 30. It’s pretty insane
The high number of millionaires in New York State can be attributed to the significant number of individuals who own a home valued at one million dollars or more. However, these homes are often old and in need of significant repairs, while simultaneously commanding excessive rental rates. Furthermore , many of these units are barely legal, tenants are often having to file complaints to the housing authorities in order to obtain the necessary repairs
As an upstate Nee Yorker, I can tell you exactly why the population has been shrinking. Everyone who lives here has heard it from every generation above them since the day they were born - unfriendly business environment. Taxes and government fees are out of control. Forget about NYC, do a show that focuses on the thousands of factories that have closed up and left NY State because of the policies there.
And UNIONS! NY is not a right to work State and the unions got the wages of many low skill jobs so high that I don't blame industry for fleeing the State.
50% mis-management actually. The other 50% is mis-voting. At a certain point if people keep voting for corrupt people.... You've got to assume it's because they want corrupt people more than they want to fix it. Even if they don't consciously know it. At what point do actions become louder than words??? I don't know where that line is. Maybe it isn't 50/50. -- But it's certainly not ONLY politician's fault. It's also the citizen's fault for letting it go on and on so long as they can keep living life without needing to fix it. -- at a certain point the people will say they've had enough. But ain't nothing getting fixed until then. Until then, we'll just say it's 100% mis-management.
New York needs to do something about land owners just sitting on property without developing them, or allowing apartments to go vacant while rents skyrocket.
I live in NYC. I'm commenting this before starting the video. It's fucking expensive up here, cost of living is far too high, wages are far too low to keep up, and no one wants to build ACTUAL affordable housing while current "affordable" options would sink 90% of a montly minimum wage income into rent. See yall in a half hour to see if my suspicions are correct.
Literally saw my apartment building in this video. Besides the first few minutes of the history lesson, glad to see I mostly knew exactly what was up 🤣
Yeah, right everyone who could did. That's why NYC is still home to (checks notes) more billionaires than anywhere else in the US. So why are they still there if they can afford to leave?
Yep, on top of that were family lives they have village, town, county and states taxes, layer on layer of greedy dicks who dont actually do anything but embezzle cash
@@gibsonflyingv2820 because they are the ones paying the local politicians to get away with their schemes. they'd have to make new connections if they moved.
As a NYer $1600 doesn’t get you a decent studio in the city anymore. You now have to spend well over $2200. The minimum wage monthly is $2600 Most cases you need to roommate just to make shit happen. Shit isn’t fun here anymore
@@TheCman183You think the other cities of the state get an equal representation in the state? The state literally has the same name as the city. If you’re going to live in New York you better work in finance & manhattan or get out.
As a upstate New Yorker I can say this is mostly accurate accept for you missing some details about how many state laws are tailored for the city not the whole state and have kept upstate New York from growing and causes constant issues. But otherwise a great summary of the states history from someone outside of the state (you pronounced Albany wrong)
Western New Yorker here, we’re more than a city, where I live is cheaper, a friend of mine literally sold a house of his for 45k, and you can still get nice properties for less than 100k here. It’s very cheap where I live. You can rent a 3 bed apartment for less than 1000 but you gotta look for bit, as it’s still rare. It’s not nearly as expensive as the city is that I live 6 hours away from.
I love Western NY, plenty of fresh water, no earthquakes, no hurricanes, no wild fire's & depending where you are the snow isn't bad. So yeah I'll stay here & watch the rest of the country get wiped off the map.
@@christianweibrecht6555But there aren't the jobs there. Hence why cost of living is low. They don't have the major population centers the big states have. Potentially in this work from home environment we have now these states and others will grow. Time will tell. I do personally know of a few people here in NY that moved to places like Tennessee and West Virginia and work remotely for NY companies and reside in other states. However NY will still tax you on your income even if you don't live here but work for a company out of here.
Love the detail guys! This channel just can’t get compared too! Content that is more than a half an hour is what I need and only way to understand what you’re listening to. Thank you
@@ry1023.3 Yeah, no more hellish cities like new york that drive the nations economy and financial system. Great idea! This is why country yokels arent in charge, you have no grasp of how things work.
@@ry1023.3 Yeah, no more hellish cities like New York that prop up the nations economy and competitive place in the world. This is why we don't have inbreds making the decisions, you people have no grasp.
I think upstate NY will see a bit of a resurgence. For one, it’s not NYC. They have some nice small towns and cities upstate that aren’t overcrowded or nearly as expensive. They have a lot of nice scenery, historical towns, and room to grow. If upstate NY can continue to keep up the recent emphasis on new manufacturing and technologies, and get new companies and existing companies to shift there, that can create a lot of growth. And if they build and expand their cities right, sounds like it’d be a good place to live (besides for the snow). I just hope they build right and build smarter, nobody wants to be like those car-dependent Texas cities. Just because you have the space, doesn’t mean you build in such an inefficient, spread out manner. They should also build more train lines upstate between downstate and upstate NY.
I started living in Brooklyn NY About 4 months ago and I’m planning to move out here asap because everything expensive everywhere traffic toll is damn too high and no job here
As a New Yorker, I can confirm high taxes and bad winters, especially in the great lakes region where I am are the two biggest factors. And because of the shrinking population and less than optimal business environment, jobs are also leaving and cities like Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Binghamton, Utica, and pretty much everywhere else are struggling because there are so few descent jobs available. Jamestown, NY where I was born was at one point the largest furniture manufacturing city in North America and now hase zero furniture factories. It was once the home of the American Furniture Exposition, that building is now a call center...go figure.
But isn’t some of the manufacturing (and technologies and energies) sector coming back to upstate NY? I think they have a lot of potential to grow and really have something nice if they play their cards right.
@@Ryan-cb1eiUpstate yes. Not sure about the city. Tesla opened a big operation in Buffalo. Also Amazon has large warehouses here, but that might be just about everywhere for all I know as they are huge and have to distribute nationwide. Buffalo also becoming a major healthcare center. We will see how it goes. Other things have left, a lot of the banking, and the industry mostly left decades ago. We actually have fairly descent local government here. Taxes are still terrible because it's New York, but Erie county has put out a lot of tax incentives for business.
6:54 this guy just said the loud part out loud upstate can not survive with the lower state control and we need to separate it split upstate, for they have different economy, social fabric, styles of living and so much more they are to different states and needs to be treated as much no longer can the upstate population be controlled by the downstate vote when they are not even the same culture anymore we need to split it. And upstate have try in the past but the city will not allow it, it is complete corruption and it makes no sense to keep it this way. SPLIT NY✊✊
@@zacharym167 they never were the same culture .. someone from the projects in Brooklyn is clearly different from someone from the projects in Buffalo … they have more in common with Erie PA and we have more in common with Jersey city NJ … we have a different climate .. everything from accents to infrastructure and history. Original NY colony didn’t even stretch that far west
First, in Buffalo and Rochester, we don’t refer to ourselves as “Upstate” New York. We are Western New Yorkers. Second, a lot of this video from a WNY and CNY perspective does not highlight the importance of the loss of some huge companies and jobs to outsourcing.
6:54 this guy just said the loud part out loud upstate can not survive with the lower state control and we need to separate it split upstate, for they have different economy, social fabric, styles of living and so much more they are to different states and needs to be treated as much no longer can the upstate population be controlled by the downstate vote when they are not even the same culture anymore we need to split it. And upstate have try in the past but the city will not allow it, it is complete corruption and it makes no sense to keep it this way. SPLIT NY✊✊
My brother moved back up here because the state is blue on paper, but he failed to realize that this is not the city up here, and everyone is a backwards hick in his mind that only wants to keep their guns and their pro life views. But it just goes to show how shallow people's views are with the state and how easy it is for them to see the state as a whole and not two wholly different demographics
@@zacharym167 No that will be financial devastating for upstate. About 200 people from downstate NY pay 50% of New York State's budget. By splitting the state, it would be economically devastating, especially with the states economic revitalization strategy.
@TheSmokinApples And devastating to who? Chances are the money going to upstate are going to connected crooks that don't even benefit the residents. Splitting would probably be a net wash considering the end to the massive corruption
Being that my hometown is in the most northern area in NY State, the line "mostly rural, sparcey populated, and more impoverished north" felt like an attack. i mean its true, but damn.
@@nankerphelgetv9308"low costs" still end up higher than everywhere else. When you are in bumfuck NY with a shitty place to deal with in bad weather, you tend to feel like a moron when you realize the same exact amount of money can get you a 900sq foot apartment in most other states, but because I decide to live in NY I just get to be broke AND in the middle of nowhere, with every single cost rising in winter. Compare those "low costs" to the low costs of most other states. Its a fucking joke. And you get nothing out of living here as opposed to anywhere else, you just get to pay more.
Yeah, I left because it was expensive and there's nothing there for me anymore. I feel like I outgrew the city for what it has to offer compared to what I have to pay to be in it.
My daughter moved from Fla. to the Bronx for 3 years. She absolutely couldn’t wait to move out of there. There is nothing to recommend NYC. Yeah, there are great restaurants and cool shows. But it is literally cheaper to live in Minnesota and fly to NYC twice a year than to live in NYC. You still see the same number of shows, and eat at the same number of high end restaurants.
Meanwhile rent prices continue going up because the city can't be bothered to build anything. At least this should debunk the theory of population decline = rent decline.
@@nickd2296 Good point but Chinese cities and Toronto build upwards. New York and Chicago used to do more of that. Toronto is building as many high rises as the next 13 cities in Canada and the United States combined - and that doesn't include all the high rises being built in "suburban" cities around Toronto. And in New York as in many cities new construction doesn't have to be high rises. Single family homes can be replaced with duplexes that are no more tall than the houses they replace.
1:05 IDK man, seems like the same number of ppl as in 2019 with unexpected temporary peak in 2020. What happened in 2020 to have additional 800k ppl just for 1 or 2 years?
Why is nobody noticing this? It's the first obvious thing that jumps out of the graphs - and should have redirected the narrative of this entire video. Very poor analysis.
@@LuckyAJC Review the graphs again. The population was *spiking* *pre-covid* (2019), to new record highs. Then in 2020 (when covid hit) there was a dramatic reversal, huge decline (how were so many people moving with all the lockdowns and eviction moratoriums?). However, in spite of the decline, the population is still higher in 2023 than the end of 2018. So, this interesting question is: what happened in 2019? Why the huge influx of people (from where)?
Well housing is becoming an issue everywhere in America, not just NYC. It's just more noticeable/outrageous. It's because real estate just like almost every other sector is becoming more and more monopolized. A few people owning everything means they can control the prices and you'd have no choice but to pay as there is no alternative. NYC is just worse because of the population density and the bullshit zoning laws. But the nation as a whole is becoming more and more like South Korea where monopolies make literally everything too expensive.
The parallels between New York and the UK are striking. The UK is a rural, depressed economy, but also the gleaming financial hub of London. And New York is becoming the same thing. A single city-state.
A lot of these people are coming to live in Pennsylvania and making the commute back to the city. Theyve been building ample apartments around here but theyre not deemed "affordable" housing if you're on a Pennsylvania income. They're basically being built to appease New Yorkers, pricing out Pennsylvanians but not equaling the cost of actually living in New York.
Your basically going to become the new Jersey City or Stanford CT. Sorry bro, but I think in the coming decades that entire metro will be run by NY lol
"Affordable Texas Housing" yeah my house trippled in value in 12 years. Wages certainly haven't trippled and much lower than New York. It's still "more" affordable than one of the most desirable places to live on the planet sure but it's not really that affordable anymore.
i came to upstate in 2020 because i was priced out of the West Coast. couldn't buy a house on the West Coast in a decade of trying, and within 2 years here i bought 3 houses and land. i work remote. from my perspective what sucks is that upstate is a different world from NYC, but nyc controls the state laws which end up feeling way too harsh and difficult in remote rural upstate. the sales tax is one of the highest. property taxes are very high. there is an authoritarian police state vibe that i don't like. aside from that, there is a lot of opportunity to become a first time homeowner and to bring new life and business into some of these rust belt communities that have been decimated when their old industries left. overall it's ok, if they could just lower all the taxes it would be better.
Taxes are a balancing act. Too little and you don't have services, too much without covering an equivalent amount of services means either corruption or waste.
NYC born and bred here. There is no need to live in NYC when remote work and other factors make living in proximity to NYC no longer necessary. In my prior career as a video editor, I had no choice but to work in NYC to be part of the TV commercial production industry serving Madison Avenue. Not the case anymore, and that is a good thing, IMO. Also, NYC as the center of cultural innovation, music, and entertainment has long since disappeared. There is no need to go to NYC to be famous anymore - you can just be a TH-camr.
@@gibsonflyingv2820who? Rich people only like the novelty of it and poor people are only there because of the jobs, if those people can do their jobs else where they will
@@ry1023.3 who? idk dude the 8.3 million people who live here maybe? Are you dense? You people really live in an alternate reality or something. NYC is the most populous city in the nation and its not even close. There are no poor people in NYC fyi, very few exist an they're in the bronx.
@@gibsonflyingv2820 there’s no poor people in NYC💀 what is it a utopia? Lmao. A high population doesn’t mean people want to live there, it just means that that city has a lot of jobs. Also there’s countless videos of homeless people in NYC, actually the homeless problem is so bad it’s become a business. Genuinely, now people are making money off of helping homeless people because there are just that many in NYC. You can look it up.
@@ry1023.3 No poor people in the way you're thinking, a poor person in NYC still earns more than 99% of poor people in other states and cities. We don't have mountain holler hillbilly generational poverty. That's just a fact. Everyone knows nyc has homeless people, but fun fact! alot of those homeless people are actually con artists that make close to 50k a year. You'd be surprised. Career homeless they are called. look it up.
New York State resident and college student here, this is becoming such a problem that they've started to give out a scholarship called the Excelsior Scholarship where they will pay your full tuition as long as you promise to stay and work in the state after for however many years you took the scholarship. So for example if you take the scholarship for 4 years, you must stay here for another 4 years. There's no GPA requirement or anything, you just have to be making under $125k and going to a SUNY or CUNY school. I think this really shows how desperate they are for people to stay. I took this scholarship because I plan on living with my family for the foreseeable future on LI and because I'm doing an approved 5 year program I literally get a free MBA (which if you don't know, can cost ~$7500 or more per semester for the master's portion of the degree.) I think it's a good program but really sets in how desperate they are to keep people here
Yeah my girlfriend is using that program since her mom is a single mother. It's great for her to get her education, but since she's getting a PhD we are gonna be stuck here until we are 38 😅. Luckily I'm getting an affordable education in finance or otherwise i don't know what a good future for us would possibly look like here. I love every part of new York, but it's just so unmanageable unless you make upper middle class money
NYS is also considering doing a Canada where they tax you for all of your total earnings in NY as a cost for moving out of state if you ever wanted to relocate
When it's $3000 for a studio apartment and jobs are scare, you're telling me people commit more financial-related crimes? REALLY??? Obviously... If cities want to solve their most pressing issues they need to make AFFORDABLE HOUSING, GOOD MIDDLE CLASS JOBS AND ACCESS TO UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE the Top 3 priorities because these concepts are related. You can't be rich and healthy without proper housing. Shit, you can't even be getting by if you're stressed about housing...
9:16 the railroads utterly obliterated the Erie Canal not even years after it was completed. Once New York State laws that prohibited freight traffic on the railroads was abolished, the then newly growing New York and Hudson River Railroad (that would later be the iconic New York Central) took literally almost all of that traffic with it.
The "Swells" in the metro NYC area know jack about "Upstate". But, they have so much influence that they pass laws for the whole state. The rest of the state is largely rural. NYC takes care of NYC at the expense of not NYC. So, hardly surprising that people upstate just pack it in and leave.
If live close enough that you can commute into NYC for work on a daily basis, you are downstate. If you can ask someone from upstate without a hint of irony how far on the other side of the river they live, you are from downstate. If you look at a cow and genuinely think you are looking at a dog, you are from downstate. If you find yourself somewhere and don’t understand why you can’t tune to your usual radio stations, you are from downstate. If you find all of these people adorably amusing, you are from upstate.
Dude I'm a canadian from saskatchewan (probably the only province besides alberta actively telling trudeau to shove it) and I live in central NJ. My experience with New Yorkers is nothing but negative too, these people are not only rude as all get out but just flat out evil too.
@@TheMelnTeamNot only are both of those teams New Jerseyan, they’re both based in the same stadium. It doesn’t seem right to have two teams in the same league call the same stadium home. Back when New York had three MLB teams (Yankees, Dodgers, and Giants), at least they all used separate stadiums.
Except Floridas actually lost the most residents of any state in the nation. Look it up. Lil bro is stuck in 2021, nobodys flocking to those states anymore.
I moved to Rochester about 3 years ago for work. Something RLL missed on is that Rochester was a company town with massive companies like Kodak, Bausch and Lomb, and Xerox. When Kodak didn’t adapt to the digitalization of technology, it started a chain reaction that exploded when the Great Recession began in 2007. It’s taken years to recover though the optical industry is strong in Rochester.
Less the case the past few years. Here in Rochester we barely had winter last year. Buffalo got dumped on once or twice, sure, but the trend is to warmer winters.
I fear I’m doing the same (here on Long Island). Currently live with my parents to save money as there’s no affordable place downstate and I refuse to move to the city. I wanna save so I have a future… I like my current job but I have opportunities almost anywhere, and as soon as I feel my time is up at this job (or I go back to school) I plan on finding something out of state.
He discusses some pretty interesting history of upstate NY going back to the Erie Canal, and then talks about the region where 2/3 of the population lives. And refers back to upstate when it was relevant. What else did you want said about upstate?
@@kandiruacu Northern, Central and Western New York don't have a singular economic focus. Northern NY has always been a combination of historical and natural reserves with a larger tourism focus to support the smaller agricultural areas, Central NY is a mix of industrial and agrarian areas that has the largest extent of suburbanization in the state and Western NY is majority agricultural areas with a chain of central industrial urban hubs. These different mixes of factors mean the local economy reacts differently across regions. Essentially, the video lacks any attempt at distinction of analysis of New York regions outside of NYC, which regardless of population share will never represent the entire state because it quite simply ISN'T the entire state
As a New Yorker from Queens let me tell you the reasons why New York City and New York State have become so awful: 1. Cost of Living. 2. Domestic and Migrant "Incidents" 3. Government Corruption, Bureaucracy, and Red Tape 4. High regulation on businesses in general. Ranked last place for being the least libertarian state according to the Cato Institute 5. The wokification of the workplace and academia 6. Smelly and old Subways as well as the inability to stop said "Incidents" on subways 7. Rats 8. Lack of parenting and discipline in today's youth 9. Homelessness and trash are everywhere in NYC especially in Manhattan 10. NYC is terrible for dating 11. High recidivism and bail reform 12. It's an echo chamber ran by donkeys. 13. Mental health illnesses are rising 14. Multiculturalism 15. Getting a job and a career here in New York is very hard
24:00 Thank you for explaining the correlation between job growth and residential demand. It's so obvious, and yet so many people act like they are not inexorably linked. Remote work allows the wealthy to live anywhere, but the service workers who can least afford megacommutes or market rents are far less likely to be able to work remote. Born in NYC. Grew up in the NYC Metro. I miss it.
I left NYC a couple of years ago due to rising crime and rising prices. I got attacked by a crazed homeless person on the subway the week before I moved, which solidified my decision.
@gibsonflyingv2820 all i can tell you is personal experience. I saw crime all the time there, but after the pandemic it got much worse and much more frequent, at least on the subway
@@RushedAnimation Yeah no that's true, in 2021 things were very off and dangerous feeling in NYC. Especially in the subway. Around 2023 that really decreased however. Just in my experience.
@@gibsonflyingv2820 Very good chance those numbers are wrong. Those crime studies everyone keeps talking about is only reported crime, which a lot of crimes go unreported especially in places like NYC.
@@Vertigation Lmfao crime isn't reported? You have a very childish view of how the world works. The police have every incentive to report crime statistics and do. It's what keeps them having a job, they get more support if crime is higher. They inflate crime statistics if anything.
The “The Rent is Too Damn High” Guy was right. The rent IS too damn high
1000 in Tupelo 😃😃😃
Jimmy McMillan was up to smth.
Plus that mustache
@jadar9356 what jobs are available there just out of curiosity?
@@rowec6472Could always be a crazy guy on the subway although idk what it pays.
It’s expensive and it sucks. Saved you half an hour lol
Fr. Even LA is better to live in at this point. Goes to show if people get told a city is good enough times they’ll start to believe it enough to live there
Bro you ain’t even watched the video either 😂😂to be fair you ain’t wrong though
@@Surl9596LA and NYC are both as bad as each other
Buh byeee
Also the politics of this state means that NJ is just as bad and I want out too
Also coming from someone who grew up In Cattaraugus County, New York (western NY), there's a huge divide between that region and NYC...it might as well be in a different state altogether. Most people have nothing but disdain and disgust for anything having to do with NYC, Long Island, and Albany.
Can't say i blame you i hate them too and i live in nyc
Grew up in upstate NY Rochester area actually grew up in Hamlin NY and I agree NYC and Albany has ruined NY. I live in Jacksonville FL now and can't wait to get the hell out of here.
Too many laws are written for NYC that don't apply to the rest of NY.
Albany? Lol what’s more upstate than Albany? It does suck but I don’t get the point
@@Ecotechnologist Albany is where the governor is and, more often than not, their interests are opposed to a lot of the people in the more rural areas of the state
As a lifelong New Yorker, the #1 reason has to be rising costs. Rents were always ridiculous but they’ve exploded the last few years. My small one bedroom was $2200 a month in 2020. When I checked about moving back in 2022, two years later, it was $2600, and that’s a rent stabilized apartment.
It's democrat policies
Even up here in Buffalo it's bad. And it used to be cheap to live here. I rented when I was first out of college for several years in the mid 2000's and it was $500/mo for a descent sized place and that included heat which is huge. Now something similar is $1700-2000. Yes of course there has been inflation, but that only accounts for some of the increase. It would maybe be a grand if it was just straight inflation, but now pushing 2 grand something else is definitely at play here. One thing for certain is property tax. The property owners pay way more and pass the cost on to the tenants.
@iseeblood lmao If you think the landlords in NY are all democrat you are fooling yourselves
@@User-LS-n5m I'm sure they are not all democrat. But most are. Most people are leaving democrat states because their policies are catching up with them. Relaxed crime. Illegal immigrants. High taxes.
It has nothing to do with democrats or republicans. There’s nowhere near enough affordable housing in the city, and way too much luxury housing development. It’s an extremely complex issue, and anyone dumbing it down to “it’s the democrats” has no idea what they’re talking about. Much of it is the result of gentrification, lacking regulations to protect renters, and corporate greed.
Pretty good timing as well considering Eric Adams just got federally indicted on corruption charges
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Yup! And Governor Kathy isn't far behind with Chinese spies in her office...
This city will be so much better off when Mayor McSwagg is in prison where he belongs
The timing... he was too outspoken about migrants and the border.
“New York City is the Guantanamo bay of America.”
-Eric Adams right now, probably.
As a New Yorker, I will give you some context. The New York City population does leave quite a bit. However, they don’t just all leave the state. A lot of them move upstate to places like Albany. A lot of the upstate residences are moving out. But it doesn’t show that because of the New York City residences Moving upstate so it makes it look a lot slower than it really is.
True I’m from upstate and people are flooding out of here on the regular. I’ve already had 5 friends I grew up with and went to high school with leave for the Sun Belt and I’m 22
This exactly. You can see this by looking at the Capitol region presidential results. Saratoga and Rensselaer counties used to vote Republican but because of downstate transplants and Republicans leaving they now vote Democrat
This! I rented a basement in Queens at $1300 plus $100 for the parking space. During COVID this rent went up $100 so I was going to pay $1500 in a basement. So my husband and I realized this was going to get too damn high soon enough. Flash Forward to 2023 and we were able to buy an old house in Syracuse, NY to pay only $700 in mortgage, and the house has its own parking. In total I'm paying half in mortgage in Syracuse than what it costs to rent a basement (not precisely legal actually) in the city.
And stories like mine are very common. Many people move out of the city and buy an old abandoned house upstate where is soo damn cheap because locals are leaving.
New Yorkers finally realized they don't have to live in a shoebox for $3,000/monthly rent.
Why, did they move to Buffalo?
22:56 That's the weird thing with my peers, they all are in good professions, but don't complain about housing costs seemingly content with achieving what middleclass people had decades ago. I chalk it up to not having a frame of reference to compare (maybe they don't have parents in the area) and think this is what is normal to achieve for their level of income.
I was apart of that group, since I've left I have felt so much better and far from room to stretch to, sometimes I question how ppl can live in a sardine can for 3K a month considering the rest of the country is massive, spacious with peace and quiet depending where you live
@@Racko.some people don’t like driving
@@LucasDimoveo then you have the option to stay in a transit oriented city with very expensive rent
As a 25 y/o who lives in NJ and commutes to NYC for work, I think the biggest issue is really the incredibly high rents. The City is still a highly desirable place to live, especially for young professionals in media, finance, banking, consulting and fashion. However, it has become too expensive for young professionals starting their careers to move in. It's also starting to get tougher because not many companies are fully remote anymore. Most companies have implemented a hybrid working schedule at this point that requires employees to come into the office at least some days. I don't know a single person now who is fully remote, whereas 2-3 years, most of us were remote. Not sure how this will effect the situation but I can only imagine it will put more pressure on the rental market.
The RTO mandates may cause more housing demand, but there was a significant cohort of people who moved away from NY during COVID to a lower cost of living market. Some of the cohort return to NY to keep their jobs, but others may quit to find a job in their local market (or remotely). However, fed rate cuts may also induce sidelined renters to qualify for mortgages and buy houses, putting downward pressure on rents. Ultimately, a renter should compare their income and consider an appropriate situation and commute.
Yep.
How does working remote help NYC, People who work remote normally font live in NYC. Plus if you make really good money and work remote, you obviously move to a tax friendly state. I have a director who visit us once a week every month in California. He saves so much money by not being a California resident. Cant wait to be in that position.
@@infocenter5 but what happens when the RTO mandate comes?
Media, finance, banking, consulting, fashion- pretty much all the groups I don't have sympathy for save for including tech as well
After 18 years I left the city, covid was the catalyst that made me buy a house upstate, NYC became such an expensive 💩 hole, I was paying 2400 for an apartment infested with roaches and mice, now I pay 1900 for two story house, huge front and backyard with a pool, my kids are so happy.
Uh, where you livin' now?! 😂❤️🥹
@@AdamGoudjilFor that price, not anywhere in Canada.
My question as someone who’s lived here for 14 years has always been: where’s the supply and demand? I thought that if demand goes down, then supply should be up and therefore prices should come down. However, even on a declining population, rent prices continue to skyrocket in NYC. It’s like this city ignores all rules of capitalism to screw you over.
I've had a running theory that most of the rental properties are owned by a handful of people that have conspired to run NYC real estate as a monopoly.. So if they start to drop the rent on one building that sets a precedent to drop the rent on all of the buildings.. so its more profitable to just keep many empty even for years so as not to devalue the properties that are cash flowing.
It's simply because NY housing market is not about housing, it's about investment.
@@jonathantaylor6926nailed it… and cool name. 🤣
A lot of landlord use algorithmic pricing, which according to a lawsuit by the doj and 8 state AG, allowed for unfair price fixing.
One explanation is that people who can’t afford to live there leave, but the people who remain have a lot of money and are willing to pay the premium to live in nyc, since it offers things you can’t get anywhere else. Also mostly wealthy people from other states and countries are crazy enough to move here
Showing the pie chart for Hawaii around the 6:45 mark was so absolutely unnecessary, I couldn’t help but chuckle.
Did you know that the majority of British people in Britain live on an island?
@@MastersharkmappingYou're making claims without evidence!
They should compare miles of interstate highway on each island in the next video
I moved from Monroe County, New York to Oklahoma County, Oklahoma last year and couldn't be happier.
It's funny this came out with Mayor Adams
Should’ve never given the city’s key to P Diddy 😂
Go woke, go broke.
Oh word? Rip
@@jcnot9712Now that I think about it, Diddy must've has some crazy dirt on Adams to get the key to the city
New York and California run by Dems ruining their states lol
Drink every time you hear "combined" or "vast"
Gonna end up in the ER 🚑
I'd still die even if I used water lol
Do you want alcohol poisoning? Because that's how you get alcohol poisoning.
"It's beginning"
Don’t forget “significantly”
I've lived in NY state all my life. It really sucks being in a small city with prices as high as NYC. Rent is expensive, food is expensive, and they are seemingly unable to control inflation. If you don't live in NYC, there's not really a whole lot to do, either. Most of the state is rural, or is a small city with insanely high violent crime rates. It's cold as balls. The Bills are like the only thing NY state has going for it besides the big apple. Id rather live most other places
This popped up in my feed literally as I'm packing to move out of New York on Monday. Crazy.
Enjoy your new adventure
@@Knights0fTheRound thank you!
@@Monocultured01 where 2?
Nice. Where u goin
Congrats. You've managed to escape. I need to save more money.
While New York is the fastest shrinking state, Florida is one of the fastest growing state.
1830 New York: 1,918,608 people
1900 New York: 7,268,894 people
1960 New York: 16,782,304 people
2024 New York: 19,469,232 people
Now compare that to Florida of similar size...
1830 Florida: 34,730 people
1900 Florida: 528,542 people
1960 Florida: 4,951,560 people
2024 Florida: 22,975,931 people
that's where boomers and elderly move to after coming from NYC
Florida being Florida 😎😎
Fast growth is dangerous as well. We’ve seen this in American cities, fast growth typically means terribly planned and terribly inefficient infrastructure and city planning. Florida is suburban sprawl, we need to do better.
Fleeing the rule of the nutjobs in NY. I would too, if I lived there.
@@Ryan-cb1ei this problem is much more severe, considering the frequency of hurricanes in Florida
Life long NYC resident here. Here's what I've noticed since 1988: crime and cleanliness kept improving dramatically since the early 90's when it was really bad, but then started digressing in the 2010's, cost of housing and living has absolutely skyrocketed to obscene levels to the point that it's basically impossible to live alone, there are no nyc 'locals' in the main part of the city bc they can't afford it, way too many regulations, way too pricey to build anything here or run a business, high taxes, corporatism has led to a loss of culture bc only places like TD banks can afford rent in most areas, cool neighborhoods become gentrified with luxury housing within a decade, giving them weird dystopian ghostown vibes and pricing out the residents that made it cool, there's lot of traffic made worse by anti-car culture permeating the city. A lot of the manufacturing and design and art studios that used to exist here are long gone, nightlife has been overrun with bottle service type experiences catering the the IG lifestyle. Not to mention our state and local leaders are more often than not corrupt and incompetent. All in all it feels like the character of the city is eroding and you're paying way more for that privilege.
I live in the Poconos of north east PA and since early 2000s it has been an ever increasing influx of New Yorkers
You thought PA drivers suck ass get ready for NY drivers.
Pray before every drive, trust me lol
I went on holiday there once when visiting the USA. I love where you live, it’s beautiful
I'm sorry you're getting stuck with them.
I want ny to have what pa have we need to split it make it a state that represents the people of it region more better as Pennsylvania does even so it does have it own flaws it still better than this
My family left NYC in 2021 for Easter PA
I grew up in Brooklyn. The biggest problem w/ NYC is that the incredible advantages and accumulated resources of the city are completely taken advantage of and neglected. Go to any major, wealthy city in other developed nations and you will see that the wealth and development provides obvious and basic benefits like well-maintained public transit, clean and beautfied surroundings, bike lanes, and ample economic opportunities. NY has the 'capacity' for all these things - robust infrastructure, transit, workforce, and jobs -- but all of it is neglected and taken advantage of. Why is there so much garbage verywhere? Why is the subway so degraded, dysfunctional, and generally unpleasant to be on? Good luck relying on the many, many buses to arrive on time. The streets are absolutely clogged with cars and trucks despite the abundance of public transit, which creates excessive noise, pollution, and congestion. Congestion pricing, the bare minimum to address that last issue, was scrapped for no good reason by a politician who has no connection to the city. This will accelerate and worsen the financial spiral of the MTA. The police act like an occupying military, the rich are disconnected from the civic life and live in privileged bubbles, most neighborhoods and areas outside the wealthy core are perpetual ghettos with extremely low rates of homeownership, and landlords generally have 0 respect or care for their tenants. Not to mention political corruption, everything being incredible expensive, and many, many jobs paying low wages and no benefits. This city would be 10X better if the people with power and authority cared to improve the most basic and obvious problems.
Also on top of that NYC is one of the few cities in the US to charge its own income tax on top of federal and state taxes which is some bullshit
i always compare NYC to London they just seem like sister cities and have been the 2 most important cities for the last 150 years and the former has fallen so far behind these days its sad. its filthy too. i moved from NYC to London in 2018 and don't regret it for a single second. NYC is dying
Living in Chicago, I can relate to every single problem except that rent is more reasonable here. I want to start a family, and as fun as this place is to be a young adult, I think my priorities have changed and it's time to leave.
It’s the lack of federal funding. In other nations they pay for cities. In us we pay for corporations
I'm sure the wall-to-wall unions had absolutely nothing to do with it 🤔
No way in F**k is rent even on average $3000/mo in Jersey City. I found a luxury 2br apartment for $2100. The mean was $2000-2300...versus $2800-4000 in Brooklyn & Queens - not Manhattan! Also property taxes in NJ is at least 10% cheaper than anywhere in "downstate" NY.
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It’s the average lol
Grew up in the NYC suburbs and left after college. It's too expensive to live there & too crowded. Great place to live if you love that kind of thing and have the $$$ but it's not for me.
They say to live in NYC you either need to be really rich, or really poor.. .the middle class makes too much money to quality for government subsides but not enough to really live well in that expensive city.
I still live and work on Long Island in the suburbs with my parents. I refuse to move to the city like many young folk typically do, it’s too expensive. But Long Island and other suburban areas in NY also suck. They only cater to wealthier boomers with new high cost construction, there is zero affordable housing on Long Island and it’s no place for young people, just old people and families. What’s even sadder about the NY metro is that right outside the city limits is only just suburbs. Even DC has a much greater variety of housing and denser housing developments outside the city than NYC, and with more affordable options, especially for young people. I went to college near there and my brother moved there, thinking of going. Even if the DC area is still expensive, it’s still much more affordable and all around offers more than the NY metro area.
@@Ryan-cb1eias a fellow islander I second this. It’s fucking disgusting what they do in this region, the only good part about living here while between 18-35 is the fact that you can work in the city and pay less taxes. Other than that this island is expensive as all hell and the only new construction, I swear to god, are expensive houses and 55+ rental units 😐. Idk how it makes sense to charge $2,200 to an established population but me, at 20, couldn’t afford to get an apartment in Oceanside (which was the cheapest in 2022-23) because they think I should pay $2,800 😂 then to add on that they don’t have shit for young ppl and NIMBY the hell out of everything. Mazzi Pilip ruining the area even more and moving farther east mean you get less access to everything the city can offer but then can’t enjoy much since everything else that is entertaining is near the hamptons and cost Hampton prices. Need to finish my years of college then I’m out of here, I hope this fake retirement region gets what’s coming to them especially since I constantly hear the old folks here talking about relocating to Florida, Texas, or the Carolina’s. A solid place to raise a family though
@@Botyoutubeaccount Your comment got censored probably due to profanity lol, but I can see the reply in my notifications. I agree, I hope this place gets what they deserve, it’s actually such a joke the way Long Island operates. Unfortunately, I don’t think anything will ever happen because so long as people have money, they come here to outbid others for a house so their kids get access to the top schools. Even though many of the top schools (including the one I went to) are inflated in value, but the reputation is everything to these types of people, and our society still cares about that. And yeah, the NIMBYism on Long Island is out of control. You’d think they’d realize that given the only nice towns people visit here were built a very long time ago with the people in mind first, but I guess not. Everyone’s head is too deep in their pockets here to do anything legit and I’ve seen it with my own eyes, all they care about is screwing others over for their own selfish gain. I’ve seen the community leaders here, the politicians, even your average parents here are unbearable. They absolutely wouldn’t know what’s best for people.
@@Botyoutubeaccount Oh yeah and that’s right, LI is only worth it because you can commute to NYC and make that city salary. That’s the only real benefit, but it’s still crazy to think how many people will travel an hour or more to work and back everyday just to get that NYC money so they can come back to their cozy suburbs. Thank god for the LIRR, by far the best and most popular commuter train in America. Without it, this place would be a suburban sprawl hellscape of inefficiency. I’m shocked more LI NIMBY’s don’t drive into the city for work, sounds like the selfish and wasteful thing they’d likely do 😂
Watch any Louis Rossmann NYC bureaucracy video....
Real New Yorkers don’t watch Louis Rossmann
@@mon3ylounge why
L take 😂🫵🏽
@@TheRevengeSocietybecause they are mentally challenged
@@Rkhsk45speak up Rasheed
Extremely high cost of living, high taxes and regulations, high crime, terrible climate, very rude and disrespectful people.
That’s just the most obvious starting point.
Nobody gonna mention 4:04
Did that guy knock that old lady over?
It was a kid 😂
Wtf rofl
Yeah I just saw that. Mad angry😂
Likely mummy was patting the kiddo on the shoulder and he was not happy about it so tried to shrug her off and she just fell. Not a biggie, but weird anyway.
I had to stop and watch it again. It may have been two kids. It cuts before the other one get back up, so the edit makes it look more brutal. It was pretty jarring.
New York State is beautiful especially near the finger lakes area. Another beautiful state is Pennsylvania especially Lancaster where the Dutch people live.
Interesting fact I myself only became aware of fairly recently..."Pennsylvania Dutch" is actually German! "Dutch" came from a mispronounciation of "Deutsch" and just stuck. As a native of New York and a frequent visitor of Pennsylvania (grew up 6 miles from the PA line), I definitely agree it's beautiful country up here. I have a friend on one of the finger lakes and I go out there frequently.
I grew up in Seneca Falls and currently live in Syracuse. It’s expensive to live here but it’s one of the most beautiful places in the country
6:54 this guy just said the loud part out loud upstate can not survive with the lower state control and we need to separate it split upstate, for they have different economy, social fabric, styles of living and so much more they are to different states and needs to be treated as much no longer can the upstate population be controlled by the downstate vote when they are not even the same culture anymore we need to split it.
And upstate have try in the past but the city will not allow it, it is complete corruption and it makes no sense to keep it this way.
SPLIT NY✊✊
@@LovestarVGCyou can have the same as pa if you just split ny it let the state represent the people more and the type of economy it truly should have
We live in Rensselaer.
Lived in NY the first nearly 30 years of my life (born in Queens, lived on and off between Queens, Brooklyn and Long Island) and moved to Jersey 4 years ago. This is why I left:
1. Traffic and infrastructure is terrible and gets worse each and every year
2. The hipsters who moved into Brooklyn and Queens that ruined everything and were happy to over pay to be in the “hustle and bustle” of the city
3. Formerly diverse and great neighborhoods got divided up into chain stores, one ways that killed navigating and are unrecognizable
4. Did I mention how damned expensive everything got?
5. Local municipalities rely on fines and tickets far too much for their yearly budgets and over pay government officials, which causes these random pushes where you’ll start getting these pockets of “ticket pushes” at random, where things that you’ve been doing for years all of a sudden is illegal, and the population suffers for it.
Previously lived in "rural" upstate New York. Most people are tired of paying exorbitant taxes to live in a terrible climate with state representation that doesn't ever throw them a bone. To make it worse, it's incredibly hard to start a small business in New York, so there's no way to improve your towns. It's time to leave.
Same, I live in upstate NY too. I really need to get out this hole
Rochester native, here. Still have most of my family and more than a few of my friends back home. A couple of years ago I decided I didn't want to be half a country away from my aging parents anymore, but Pittsburgh was as close as I was willing to get.
Hmm. I live in Amsterdam NY and they’ve been turning the city around immensely the last few years
@@kirosasher I'm glad to hear it. In my area however it just wasn't working. Lots of industry leaders taking off nearby sealed the coffin for my city.
We started a business in 2017 (WNY) and barely survived COVID lockdowns...business post-COVID has not returned to former levels. We are out of this state as soon as we are able.
New yorkers when you tell them that you don’t want to pay $2500 to sleep next to a shared toilet: 🤯
And they say it's worth it for food scene. 😂 Meanwhile Texas has better BBQ, California has better tacos, and Hawaii has better burgers. Basically people paying $2000-4000 on rent for good pizza. 😂
@@nagasako7NYC has diverse options. All of those places you named are only regional that caters to their local cuisine and demographics. In New York, you can get American, Italian, Chinese, Vietnamese, Indian, Puerto Rican, Dominican, Mexican, Black American, Jamaican, Haitian, Greek, Turkish, Israeli, Thai, Nigerian, Middle Eastern cuisine all in one.
@@C1K450 what, can't people make that food at home?
@@C1K450ayyyy you can also do that literally anywhere else, welcome to the free market it’s called competition
@@nagasako7outside of maybe Florida you can’t find good Caribbean food in the US other than NYC
Long Island resident here. Cant get a good apartment for less than $1,800-$2,200 /month here. Real hard to live on your own before 30. It’s pretty insane
The high number of millionaires in New York State can be attributed to the significant number of individuals who own a home valued at one million dollars or more. However, these homes are often old and in need of significant repairs, while simultaneously commanding excessive rental rates. Furthermore , many of these units are barely legal, tenants are often having to file complaints to the housing authorities in order to obtain the necessary repairs
I never understood this. So many of those buildings are about to crumble and no one is doing anything about it.
As an upstate Nee Yorker, I can tell you exactly why the population has been shrinking. Everyone who lives here has heard it from every generation above them since the day they were born - unfriendly business environment. Taxes and government fees are out of control. Forget about NYC, do a show that focuses on the thousands of factories that have closed up and left NY State because of the policies there.
Live in NYC and went to college upstate. I’d love to see a video about this
And UNIONS! NY is not a right to work State and the unions got the wages of many low skill jobs so high that I don't blame industry for fleeing the State.
Yes, you heard him. The financial capital of america, is "unfriendly business environment".
And yet NY votes blue.
@@happyappy19931 Meanwhile florida is drowning in garbage water LOL enjoy loser;
Thanks!
The timing of this video along with Eric Adams corruption charges is just perfect.
And now someone more radical is taking his place
Feels strange to see a comment of yours that’s not just complaining about something/someone 😂
You realize this an AI account right?
This comment makes no sense, yet it's been said more than once in the comments. Too many people are so fucking dumb.
illuminati conspiracy
100% mis-management, I moved out 4 years ago for this reason.
all government is mismanagement
50% mis-management actually. The other 50% is mis-voting. At a certain point if people keep voting for corrupt people.... You've got to assume it's because they want corrupt people more than they want to fix it. Even if they don't consciously know it. At what point do actions become louder than words???
I don't know where that line is. Maybe it isn't 50/50. -- But it's certainly not ONLY politician's fault. It's also the citizen's fault for letting it go on and on so long as they can keep living life without needing to fix it. -- at a certain point the people will say they've had enough. But ain't nothing getting fixed until then. Until then, we'll just say it's 100% mis-management.
Not mis-management, but working as intended. The real estate lobby and their NIMBY movement ensures artificial scarcity to protect rent prices.
@@sor3999 watch out he might delete your comment for saying that, I've already had 3 removed for that opinion
tell me you didn't watch any part of the video without saying you didn't watch the video
New York needs to do something about land owners just sitting on property without developing them, or allowing apartments to go vacant while rents skyrocket.
I live in NYC. I'm commenting this before starting the video. It's fucking expensive up here, cost of living is far too high, wages are far too low to keep up, and no one wants to build ACTUAL affordable housing while current "affordable" options would sink 90% of a montly minimum wage income into rent. See yall in a half hour to see if my suspicions are correct.
Literally saw my apartment building in this video. Besides the first few minutes of the history lesson, glad to see I mostly knew exactly what was up 🤣
@@gwenpoole1071 Vote for Republicans. Less crime, less inflation, America First! MAGA Trump2024!!!!
@spencerlaverde6674 no thank you.
@@gwenpoole1071 why.
@@spencerlaverde6674 They will never put two and two together.
They also raised taxes massively. Everyone who could afford to move, did.
Yeah, right everyone who could did. That's why NYC is still home to (checks notes) more billionaires than anywhere else in the US. So why are they still there if they can afford to leave?
Yep, on top of that were family lives they have village, town, county and states taxes, layer on layer of greedy dicks who dont actually do anything but embezzle cash
@@gibsonflyingv2820are we celebrating billionaires over the middle class? Wow the left really has become the party of the elites
@@gibsonflyingv2820 because they are the ones paying the local politicians to get away with their schemes. they'd have to make new connections if they moved.
And watch they vote for the same policies that caused them to move that shit hole.
As a NYer
$1600 doesn’t get you a decent studio in the city anymore.
You now have to spend well over $2200.
The minimum wage monthly is $2600
Most cases you need to roommate just to make shit happen. Shit isn’t fun here anymore
ITs expensive to live and with remote work, you dont have to live there to work there anymore.
I live in WY and work for a company in upstate NY :)
Working from home might actually be overall better for theaverage worker
Cuz nobody wants to spend 1 million dollars on a 2 person house
1 million? You have to go much, much higher.
It's not even like that in the vast majority of the state. Doesn't make it any better though lol
You guys know there's an entire state outside of the city right?
@@TheCman183You think the other cities of the state get an equal representation in the state? The state literally has the same name as the city. If you’re going to live in New York you better work in finance & manhattan or get out.
1 million that's cheap
As a upstate New Yorker I can say this is mostly accurate accept for you missing some details about how many state laws are tailored for the city not the whole state and have kept upstate New York from growing and causes constant issues. But otherwise a great summary of the states history from someone outside of the state (you pronounced Albany wrong)
Western New Yorker here, we’re more than a city, where I live is cheaper, a friend of mine literally sold a house of his for 45k, and you can still get nice properties for less than 100k here. It’s very cheap where I live. You can rent a 3 bed apartment for less than 1000 but you gotta look for bit, as it’s still rare. It’s not nearly as expensive as the city is that I live 6 hours away from.
Yeah but why the hell would you do all that.
There's nothing out there
I love Western NY, plenty of fresh water, no earthquakes, no hurricanes, no wild fire's & depending where you are the snow isn't bad. So yeah I'll stay here & watch the rest of the country get wiped off the map.
@@danseeloff867plus we have Josh Allen, you forgot to mention that lol
this. theres nothing to do other than get lost in the woods but its cheap and quiet.
@@angrymaninapandamask6432 Greater Buffalo, Greater Rochester, and Greater Syracuse are all in Western New York.
"It's so cheap in *MISSISSIPPI*."
Hmm. I WONDER WHY THAT IS.
Agreed, if cost-of-living was everything millions of people would be surging into Mississippi and Kansas
@@christianweibrecht6555But there aren't the jobs there. Hence why cost of living is low. They don't have the major population centers the big states have. Potentially in this work from home environment we have now these states and others will grow. Time will tell. I do personally know of a few people here in NY that moved to places like Tennessee and West Virginia and work remotely for NY companies and reside in other states. However NY will still tax you on your income even if you don't live here but work for a company out of here.
@@100percentSNAFU did they move to the big towns in eastern Tennessee?
@@100percentSNAFU they're living in mad max times over there of course it's cheap
theyre moving to Tennessee, the Carolinas, Georgia, Florida...
Mississippi and Louisiana are the only exceptions in the south
Love the detail guys! This channel just can’t get compared too! Content that is more than a half an hour is what I need and only way to understand what you’re listening to. Thank you
Its obvious, people can now work from home. So why live where a 600 square foot apartment is 5 grand a month.
I just moved to rural missouri. Got starlink and work from home. I see my area in the video is one of the growing ones.
Right?
This might mean that the population may start to spread out, and fingers crossed that means no more hellish city’s like new york
@@ry1023.3 Yeah, no more hellish cities like new york that drive the nations economy and financial system. Great idea! This is why country yokels arent in charge, you have no grasp of how things work.
@@ry1023.3 Yeah, no more hellish cities like New York that prop up the nations economy and competitive place in the world. This is why we don't have inbreds making the decisions, you people have no grasp.
I live in Upstate and I too plan on adding to the Shrinkage
Same brother or sister
do you think you'll be missed?
Shrinkage?
I was in the pool, it was cold...
You mean it shrinks?!
Like a scared turtle! 😂😂😂
It is truly a different state up there. I went to college up there.
I think upstate NY will see a bit of a resurgence. For one, it’s not NYC. They have some nice small towns and cities upstate that aren’t overcrowded or nearly as expensive. They have a lot of nice scenery, historical towns, and room to grow. If upstate NY can continue to keep up the recent emphasis on new manufacturing and technologies, and get new companies and existing companies to shift there, that can create a lot of growth. And if they build and expand their cities right, sounds like it’d be a good place to live (besides for the snow). I just hope they build right and build smarter, nobody wants to be like those car-dependent Texas cities. Just because you have the space, doesn’t mean you build in such an inefficient, spread out manner. They should also build more train lines upstate between downstate and upstate NY.
I started living in Brooklyn NY About 4 months ago and I’m planning to move out here asap because everything expensive everywhere traffic toll is damn too high and no job here
as a life long new yorker who left in 2022. The 'juice is not worth squeeze' in terms of costs of living.
👌
As a New Yorker, I can confirm high taxes and bad winters, especially in the great lakes region where I am are the two biggest factors. And because of the shrinking population and less than optimal business environment, jobs are also leaving and cities like Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Binghamton, Utica, and pretty much everywhere else are struggling because there are so few descent jobs available. Jamestown, NY where I was born was at one point the largest furniture manufacturing city in North America and now hase zero furniture factories. It was once the home of the American Furniture Exposition, that building is now a call center...go figure.
But isn’t some of the manufacturing (and technologies and energies) sector coming back to upstate NY? I think they have a lot of potential to grow and really have something nice if they play their cards right.
@@Ryan-cb1eiUpstate yes. Not sure about the city. Tesla opened a big operation in Buffalo. Also Amazon has large warehouses here, but that might be just about everywhere for all I know as they are huge and have to distribute nationwide. Buffalo also becoming a major healthcare center. We will see how it goes. Other things have left, a lot of the banking, and the industry mostly left decades ago. We actually have fairly descent local government here. Taxes are still terrible because it's New York, but Erie county has put out a lot of tax incentives for business.
Also lots of prisons closed since 2010 so rural HS diploma and GED holders can’t get any work anymore with the state pens closing.
6:54 this guy just said the loud part out loud upstate can not survive with the lower state control and we need to separate it split upstate, for they have different economy, social fabric, styles of living and so much more they are to different states and needs to be treated as much no longer can the upstate population be controlled by the downstate vote when they are not even the same culture anymore we need to split it.
And upstate have try in the past but the city will not allow it, it is complete corruption and it makes no sense to keep it this way.
SPLIT NY✊✊
@@zacharym167 they never were the same culture .. someone from the projects in Brooklyn is clearly different from someone from the projects in Buffalo … they have more in common with Erie PA and we have more in common with Jersey city NJ … we have a different climate .. everything from accents to infrastructure and history. Original NY colony didn’t even stretch that far west
Great to Visit & be a Tourist in.
Terrible to Live in Long Term.
Saved you 30 Minutes of your life.
First, in Buffalo and Rochester, we don’t refer to ourselves as “Upstate” New York. We are Western New Yorkers. Second, a lot of this video from a WNY and CNY perspective does not highlight the importance of the loss of some huge companies and jobs to outsourcing.
6:54 this guy just said the loud part out loud upstate can not survive with the lower state control and we need to separate it split upstate, for they have different economy, social fabric, styles of living and so much more they are to different states and needs to be treated as much no longer can the upstate population be controlled by the downstate vote when they are not even the same culture anymore we need to split it.
And upstate have try in the past but the city will not allow it, it is complete corruption and it makes no sense to keep it this way.
SPLIT NY✊✊
My brother moved back up here because the state is blue on paper, but he failed to realize that this is not the city up here, and everyone is a backwards hick in his mind that only wants to keep their guns and their pro life views. But it just goes to show how shallow people's views are with the state and how easy it is for them to see the state as a whole and not two wholly different demographics
Fr, he focused 95% of this video on problems of NYC
@@zacharym167 No that will be financial devastating for upstate. About 200 people from downstate NY pay 50% of New York State's budget. By splitting the state, it would be economically devastating, especially with the states economic revitalization strategy.
@TheSmokinApples And devastating to who?
Chances are the money going to upstate are going to connected crooks that don't even benefit the residents.
Splitting would probably be a net wash considering the end to the massive corruption
Being that my hometown is in the most northern area in NY State, the line "mostly rural, sparcey populated, and more impoverished north" felt like an attack. i mean its true, but damn.
what I hear is "lost of space, low costs!"
@@nankerphelgetv9308"low costs" still end up higher than everywhere else. When you are in bumfuck NY with a shitty place to deal with in bad weather, you tend to feel like a moron when you realize the same exact amount of money can get you a 900sq foot apartment in most other states, but because I decide to live in NY I just get to be broke AND in the middle of nowhere, with every single cost rising in winter.
Compare those "low costs" to the low costs of most other states. Its a fucking joke. And you get nothing out of living here as opposed to anywhere else, you just get to pay more.
The professionalism in editing and presentation makes this video highly commendable!
2:16 The audacity to suggest that the 70’s were half a century ago. Literally shaking.
Lies and propaganda 😂
I dunno, I mean I'm only 34, but the 70's really do seem like 50 years ago to me
30 years ago, it was the 90s... whoa
Yeah, I left because it was expensive and there's nothing there for me anymore. I feel like I outgrew the city for what it has to offer compared to what I have to pay to be in it.
My daughter moved from Fla. to the Bronx for 3 years. She absolutely couldn’t wait to move out of there. There is nothing to recommend NYC. Yeah, there are great restaurants and cool shows. But it is literally cheaper to live in Minnesota and fly to NYC twice a year than to live in NYC. You still see the same number of shows, and eat at the same number of high end restaurants.
Is this video actually gonna be about the state or just mostly New York City? Because the prices being too high doesn't apply up here in rural NY
It's the lack of jobs in the rest of the state
Bullshit. Syracuse here and the rents are UP
@@DSGLABELSyracuse is such a pretty city.
Jersey and West NY state pay NYCs bills.
The weekenders and third-house types are driving up the property taxes here in the Hudson Valley. Otherwise I agree with your comment
Meanwhile rent prices continue going up because the city can't be bothered to build anything. At least this should debunk the theory of population decline = rent decline.
Build where lol. New York City has no land left unless you artificially make more land.
@@nickd2296It’s always the people with the softest hands saying “jUSt bUIld mOre HOuSes”
@@nickd2296 zoning laws prevent many single-family houses from being replaced with apartment complexes
@@franksailor1894it’s always ppl with the hardest hands unaware of simple shit like NIMBY
@@nickd2296
Good point but Chinese cities and Toronto build upwards.
New York and Chicago used to do more of that.
Toronto is building as many high rises as the next 13 cities in Canada and the United States combined - and that doesn't include all the high rises being built in "suburban" cities around Toronto.
And in New York as in many cities new construction doesn't have to be high rises.
Single family homes can be replaced with duplexes that are no more tall than the houses they replace.
as someone who lives in a ~ 60m²/650 ft² flat in austria for ~400-600€/month depending on warm or cold rent those prices are baffeling to me
1:05 IDK man, seems like the same number of ppl as in 2019 with unexpected temporary peak in 2020. What happened in 2020 to have additional 800k ppl just for 1 or 2 years?
Why is nobody noticing this? It's the first obvious thing that jumps out of the graphs - and should have redirected the narrative of this entire video. Very poor analysis.
the population was still in decline before covid, it's probably be far worse today if covid didn't happen
@@LuckyAJC Review the graphs again. The population was *spiking* *pre-covid* (2019), to new record highs. Then in 2020 (when covid hit) there was a dramatic reversal, huge decline (how were so many people moving with all the lockdowns and eviction moratoriums?). However, in spite of the decline, the population is still higher in 2023 than the end of 2018. So, this interesting question is: what happened in 2019? Why the huge influx of people (from where)?
@geoffhart they aren't sending their best
@@geoffhartIn 2019 we were in peak Trump economy, record wage growth, record wealth growth since at least the 60s.
“Oh, no! There’s a luck of potential tenants! Imma doubling the rent” - every landlord in the city
Read your comment… stay in school, kid.
@@austins.2495 , I’m an immigrant who tries their best to get into an English speaking environment, so they could community in English freely.
@@austins.2495 eh. I'm guessing an autocorrect.
Well housing is becoming an issue everywhere in America, not just NYC. It's just more noticeable/outrageous.
It's because real estate just like almost every other sector is becoming more and more monopolized.
A few people owning everything means they can control the prices and you'd have no choice but to pay as there is no alternative.
NYC is just worse because of the population density and the bullshit zoning laws. But the nation as a whole is becoming more and more like South Korea where monopolies make literally everything too expensive.
@@austins.2495 I’d better stay in your mama’s house.
The parallels between New York and the UK are striking. The UK is a rural, depressed economy, but also the gleaming financial hub of London. And New York is becoming the same thing. A single city-state.
The UK is 84% urban…that’s with London, but it’s still one of the more urbanized European countries.
UK is a rural, depressed economy?
You really know nothing about the UK 😂
@@kon497 He means depressed emotionally which the Bri'ish are
Hold it! 3:07 Are those men walking up the bridge cable with regular shoes on and their hands in their pockets? What in the hell?
I wish I could live life that casually.
I literally said out loud, "Fu** that"
A lot of these people are coming to live in Pennsylvania and making the commute back to the city. Theyve been building ample apartments around here but theyre not deemed "affordable" housing if you're on a Pennsylvania income. They're basically being built to appease New Yorkers, pricing out Pennsylvanians but not equaling the cost of actually living in New York.
Your basically going to become the new Jersey City or Stanford CT. Sorry bro, but I think in the coming decades that entire metro will be run by NY lol
We like doing things quickly here in New York, that includes leaving
"Affordable Texas Housing" yeah my house trippled in value in 12 years. Wages certainly haven't trippled and much lower than New York. It's still "more" affordable than one of the most desirable places to live on the planet sure but it's not really that affordable anymore.
At least say "in the country". Most of the world wouldnt even want to live in america, be it nyc or anywhere else.
i came to upstate in 2020 because i was priced out of the West Coast. couldn't buy a house on the West Coast in a decade of trying, and within 2 years here i bought 3 houses and land. i work remote. from my perspective what sucks is that upstate is a different world from NYC, but nyc controls the state laws which end up feeling way too harsh and difficult in remote rural upstate. the sales tax is one of the highest. property taxes are very high. there is an authoritarian police state vibe that i don't like.
aside from that, there is a lot of opportunity to become a first time homeowner and to bring new life and business into some of these rust belt communities that have been decimated when their old industries left. overall it's ok, if they could just lower all the taxes it would be better.
Taxes are a balancing act. Too little and you don't have services, too much without covering an equivalent amount of services means either corruption or waste.
Upstate NY is underrated in terms of natural beauty in the Northeast US. If only the taxes were lower and there were actual job opportunities...
@@RFDN0there is plenty of taxe revenue, there is just too much waste, fraud and corruption.
Want lower taxes and the Rust Belt lifestyle? Move to Northeast Ohio.
@@katieandkevinsears7724 ive thought about exactly that honestly, but im entrenched for a while now
Moved out of New York 7 years ago… best decision I’ve ever made. Never going back.
The "*position shifted" on Hawaii is my favorite part of this video 😂
Better watch the video quick before it's arbitrarily demonitized. Anyway, I'm from NY... it's not good.
I will never understand why so many people want to live in such a small space
Because it turns out they don’t call them steamed hams.
you call them steamed hams despite the fact they're obviously grilled
4:00 why did he bush her like that 😂
Thats obviously a time-traveler. Why he did that i do not know, but im not about to get involve with another mans time-line. 😂
Upstate NY has been growing a lot.
Running away from diddy
😂😂😂
NYC born and bred here. There is no need to live in NYC when remote work and other factors make living in proximity to NYC no longer necessary. In my prior career as a video editor, I had no choice but to work in NYC to be part of the TV commercial production industry serving Madison Avenue. Not the case anymore, and that is a good thing, IMO.
Also, NYC as the center of cultural innovation, music, and entertainment has long since disappeared. There is no need to go to NYC to be famous anymore - you can just be a TH-camr.
Its not about need lmao. People want to live in NYC.
@@gibsonflyingv2820who? Rich people only like the novelty of it and poor people are only there because of the jobs, if those people can do their jobs else where they will
@@ry1023.3 who? idk dude the 8.3 million people who live here maybe? Are you dense? You people really live in an alternate reality or something. NYC is the most populous city in the nation and its not even close. There are no poor people in NYC fyi, very few exist an they're in the bronx.
@@gibsonflyingv2820 there’s no poor people in NYC💀 what is it a utopia? Lmao. A high population doesn’t mean people want to live there, it just means that that city has a lot of jobs.
Also there’s countless videos of homeless people in NYC, actually the homeless problem is so bad it’s become a business. Genuinely, now people are making money off of helping homeless people because there are just that many in NYC. You can look it up.
@@ry1023.3 No poor people in the way you're thinking, a poor person in NYC still earns more than 99% of poor people in other states and cities. We don't have mountain holler hillbilly generational poverty. That's just a fact. Everyone knows nyc has homeless people, but fun fact! alot of those homeless people are actually con artists that make close to 50k a year. You'd be surprised. Career homeless they are called. look it up.
New York State resident and college student here, this is becoming such a problem that they've started to give out a scholarship called the Excelsior Scholarship where they will pay your full tuition as long as you promise to stay and work in the state after for however many years you took the scholarship. So for example if you take the scholarship for 4 years, you must stay here for another 4 years. There's no GPA requirement or anything, you just have to be making under $125k and going to a SUNY or CUNY school. I think this really shows how desperate they are for people to stay. I took this scholarship because I plan on living with my family for the foreseeable future on LI and because I'm doing an approved 5 year program I literally get a free MBA (which if you don't know, can cost ~$7500 or more per semester for the master's portion of the degree.) I think it's a good program but really sets in how desperate they are to keep people here
Yeah my girlfriend is using that program since her mom is a single mother. It's great for her to get her education, but since she's getting a PhD we are gonna be stuck here until we are 38 😅. Luckily I'm getting an affordable education in finance or otherwise i don't know what a good future for us would possibly look like here. I love every part of new York, but it's just so unmanageable unless you make upper middle class money
NYS is also considering doing a Canada where they tax you for all of your total earnings in NY as a cost for moving out of state if you ever wanted to relocate
When it's $3000 for a studio apartment and jobs are scare, you're telling me people commit more financial-related crimes? REALLY??? Obviously... If cities want to solve their most pressing issues they need to make AFFORDABLE HOUSING, GOOD MIDDLE CLASS JOBS AND ACCESS TO UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE the Top 3 priorities because these concepts are related. You can't be rich and healthy without proper housing. Shit, you can't even be getting by if you're stressed about housing...
this is what late stage NIMBYism causes
9:16 the railroads utterly obliterated the Erie Canal not even years after it was completed. Once New York State laws that prohibited freight traffic on the railroads was abolished, the then newly growing New York and Hudson River Railroad (that would later be the iconic New York Central) took literally almost all of that traffic with it.
Even if the math checks out, I refuse to accept that the 1970s are “half a century ago” by now…
same way I refuse to say that 30 years ago was 1994.
4:01 bro at the bottom really shoulder shrugged her so bad she fell 💀
The "Swells" in the metro NYC area know jack about "Upstate". But, they have so much influence that they pass laws for the whole state. The rest of the state is largely rural. NYC takes care of NYC at the expense of not NYC. So, hardly surprising that people upstate just pack it in and leave.
Taxes, don’t cares much, but very high cost of living, it’s most what impacts.
If live close enough that you can commute into NYC for work on a daily basis, you are downstate. If you can ask someone from upstate without a hint of irony how far on the other side of the river they live, you are from downstate. If you look at a cow and genuinely think you are looking at a dog, you are from downstate. If you find yourself somewhere and don’t understand why you can’t tune to your usual radio stations, you are from downstate. If you find all of these people adorably amusing, you are from upstate.
Does indigestion count as amusement?
As a Floridian who has met several New Yorkers, this is half entertaining
Dude I'm a canadian from saskatchewan (probably the only province besides alberta actively telling trudeau to shove it) and I live in central NJ. My experience with New Yorkers is nothing but negative too, these people are not only rude as all get out but just flat out evil too.
Because they have to choose between the Giants and the Jets
The New Jersey teams? No wonder NY is dysfunctional :D.
NY does have a team though: the Bills!
@@TheMelnTeamNot only are both of those teams New Jerseyan, they’re both based in the same stadium.
It doesn’t seem right to have two teams in the same league call the same stadium home. Back when New York had three MLB teams (Yankees, Dodgers, and Giants), at least they all used separate stadiums.
@@TheMelnTeamIronacally the best comment in the thread
@@DiamondKingStudios the LA rams and chargers are in the same stadium
@@ErikCB912 Is the stadium within the state of California? If so then slightly forgivable.
Yeah expensive asf and they want a whole lot of money for such little space... everyone is moving to Texas and Florida for the most part
Except Floridas actually lost the most residents of any state in the nation. Look it up. Lil bro is stuck in 2021, nobodys flocking to those states anymore.
@gwenpoole1071 Vote for Republicans. Less crime, less inflation, America First! MAGA Trump2024!!!!
@@gibsonflyingv2820Floridians are leaving in droves while NY and NJ moved in. Locals can’t keep up
As a Floridian, we really do not want more people here
I moved to Rochester about 3 years ago for work. Something RLL missed on is that Rochester was a company town with massive companies like Kodak, Bausch and Lomb, and Xerox. When Kodak didn’t adapt to the digitalization of technology, it started a chain reaction that exploded when the Great Recession began in 2007. It’s taken years to recover though the optical industry is strong in Rochester.
Why are the rents still so damn high?
Corruption and arrogance!
Cuz -u, pay me!
Nicely made video, small nitpick though, it's All-bany, not Al-bany
Immediately triggered me as an Albany native
I was going to say the same thing!
He's Texan, he thinks the Georgia pronunciation is national. They actually do call it elbow-knee down South
Made me rethink anything else he has said in all other videos
Where I grew up in central Florida used to be amazing. Now it’s horrible with how crowded it is
The weather in upstate ny is terrible, the cloudiest places in the country, with a lot of lake effect snow
Less the case the past few years. Here in Rochester we barely had winter last year. Buffalo got dumped on once or twice, sure, but the trend is to warmer winters.
We haven’t had a proper winter in years….its all rain and mud
Have you considered coming east of the Hudson? It sounds like your experience of NYS has been shaped primarily by the Tug Hill plateau
As a lifelong NYS resident. This state sucks. The moment I get accepted to a job out of state I’m leaving and never coming back.
I fear I’m doing the same (here on Long Island). Currently live with my parents to save money as there’s no affordable place downstate and I refuse to move to the city. I wanna save so I have a future… I like my current job but I have opportunities almost anywhere, and as soon as I feel my time is up at this job (or I go back to school) I plan on finding something out of state.
property taxes are out of this world in ny if you want to be a small homeowner
"Why is New York State declining?" Mentions Upstate once, spends 25 minutes talking about NYC.
Yup, sounds about right.
He discusses some pretty interesting history of upstate NY going back to the Erie Canal, and then talks about the region where 2/3 of the population lives. And refers back to upstate when it was relevant. What else did you want said about upstate?
Of course, the city is the source of the state’s population decline. So his discussion centered on the source of the video’s topic
"90% of the loss comes from NYC." Literally in the 1st 5 minutes
@@kandiruacu Northern, Central and Western New York don't have a singular economic focus. Northern NY has always been a combination of historical and natural reserves with a larger tourism focus to support the smaller agricultural areas, Central NY is a mix of industrial and agrarian areas that has the largest extent of suburbanization in the state and Western NY is majority agricultural areas with a chain of central industrial urban hubs. These different mixes of factors mean the local economy reacts differently across regions.
Essentially, the video lacks any attempt at distinction of analysis of New York regions outside of NYC, which regardless of population share will never represent the entire state because it quite simply ISN'T the entire state
Never talks about the north country, so be happy upstate gets mentioned.
As a New Yorker from Queens let me tell you the reasons why New York City and New York State have become so awful:
1. Cost of Living.
2. Domestic and Migrant "Incidents"
3. Government Corruption, Bureaucracy, and Red Tape
4. High regulation on businesses in general. Ranked last place for being the least libertarian state according to the Cato Institute
5. The wokification of the workplace and academia
6. Smelly and old Subways as well as the inability to stop said "Incidents" on subways
7. Rats
8. Lack of parenting and discipline in today's youth
9. Homelessness and trash are everywhere in NYC especially in Manhattan
10. NYC is terrible for dating
11. High recidivism and bail reform
12. It's an echo chamber ran by donkeys.
13. Mental health illnesses are rising
14. Multiculturalism
15. Getting a job and a career here in New York is very hard
24:00 Thank you for explaining the correlation between job growth and residential demand. It's so obvious, and yet so many people act like they are not inexorably linked. Remote work allows the wealthy to live anywhere, but the service workers who can least afford megacommutes or market rents are far less likely to be able to work remote.
Born in NYC. Grew up in the NYC Metro. I miss it.
I left NYC a couple of years ago due to rising crime and rising prices. I got attacked by a crazed homeless person on the subway the week before I moved, which solidified my decision.
Sure, except crimes down compared to any other time in the cities history.
@gibsonflyingv2820 all i can tell you is personal experience. I saw crime all the time there, but after the pandemic it got much worse and much more frequent, at least on the subway
@@RushedAnimation Yeah no that's true, in 2021 things were very off and dangerous feeling in NYC. Especially in the subway. Around 2023 that really decreased however. Just in my experience.
@@gibsonflyingv2820 Very good chance those numbers are wrong. Those crime studies everyone keeps talking about is only reported crime, which a lot of crimes go unreported especially in places like NYC.
@@Vertigation Lmfao crime isn't reported? You have a very childish view of how the world works. The police have every incentive to report crime statistics and do. It's what keeps them having a job, they get more support if crime is higher. They inflate crime statistics if anything.