Rc Heli Troubleshooting guide...TAIL WAG (freddy can fly)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ธ.ค. 2012
- in this video we cover:
The possible problems for tail wag and how to trouble shoot them. A solid wag free tail is very important for a proper performing tail. For anyone lookin for rc heli help or just somebody to talk to please feel free to call or tex me any time at
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No one,and I mean that no one I have ever spoken with has explained this problem better than you do! As a Rookie that can't even build a Helicopter yet,you give me knowledge,possibilities and even more hope for learning the intricate operation's of the Radio controlled Helicopter! Most people that I know of that do know Helicopter's are extremely stingy,and hateful of helping other's! And the biggest shame is that these Guy's own Hobby Shop's in my area! I would have thought at first that they would want to educate their new customer's,and make it easier for them to come back to make more purchases,not here in Toledo! They are more "Buddy Boy Oriented!" Thank You!
8 years later .. this video is still the best to explain tail wag .. I don't care about the quality because the information is price less
Yes this may need a good old fashion update lol ill get it on the list
I don't care what your background music is. As a matter of fact,that's what caught my attention when I started watching your videos 3 years ago. I have 2 T-Rex 450's,and recently replaced the tail rotor sliding mechanism on both of them. One is plastic,and the other one is metal. When I test hovered both of them in the house,both of them had the exact same problem. I suspected that the tail mechanisms were too tight,and you just confirmed it! Thank you sir!
Dude! I'm a novice flyer; I've had several helis but never got past sports flying. After a 4 year lay away I just bought a TREX 500L Dominator, BeastX. Only three hovers so far and I have tail wag. Your video caused me to go look at the tail and... a) binding in the tail linkages, but, b) *more importantly* one of the screws almost backed out. I was going to fly this tomorrow and while I would have done a basic pre-flight and control check I am sure I *would* have missed this. You sir, saved my heli. Thank you. I will be more diligent in future. Oh, and I still have a little binding at the extremes of movement, but not nearly so much. And yes, metal grips, screws, loctite and I'll need it, because I sure can't tighten the screws right up without binding.
Your videos are great Freddy...keep up the good work it is appreciated.
Still solid advice ten years later. Where you flying now these days Freddy?
Wow, I gotta get some Choppers from Align. I love your Nitro Chopper 600. I gotta get me a Nitro. I have Nitro Cars, but it's Choppers I really love. I have just gotten an offer to buy an older Nitro Chopper I not could refuse, fully assembled and only flown a few times, not even enough to break it in. I got it for a mere 800 USD, can you believe it and it flies like a dream. I would never have the patience to sit and build all from the bottom, even I learn more and more as I go. The other day I smacked my Swashplate and a lot broke and had to build a new top out of another destroyed model I use for spare parts(same model ofc). And it now flies like new again, actually even a bit better as I tracked the Rotors well, which removed the very little Tail-swag I experienced. Amazing. I did not think I could do it, but I still would never build my own Chopper, I would pay some to do it and many do this for money :) Thx for the video, Freddy:). But I will learn down the road. For me it's NOT the assembly there give me any kicks :) It's flying them :) ALL you ever could produce of questions, the answers are here.
Great vid as always. Lots of excellent information. Keep up the great work.
Man, i love ur vids, so understandable! Say, have u perchance considered being a teacher @ a flight club?
Cause u would be one of the best, if not the best!!
I love how u take the time to explain and demo!!
Electronical is not a word...LOL. but thank you I really learned a lot fro this.
Hey Maceo T. "Electronicals,
the field of electronics, as per say, where one would work, in electronics. used often to impress people and may be used in a jest(Joke).
You know, I think I might dabble in electronicals"...
by Lucas Garrett January 12, 2005
So is it not a word? :)
Great Info man.....appreciated !
Thank you :)
Thank you for the tips. I checked on trex 500. Seems to be fine. I will check tomorrow for a wag. One thing. Mt rod is a bit bent.
try your best to keep your tail rod straight.
great video my friend very informative great advice happy flying my friend !!
yes i agree head speed can cause low rpm bobs, run a nice v curve and play around a bit with the idea of raising your rpms a bit. But also take a look at your gains for ail and elv as well.
good luck
Hey Freddy. I will first say I love your teaching videos. I have just disconnected from Alan Szabo because he only promotes himself and collects Thumbs-Up, not giving a shit about his followers. So I have unfollowed him, and I find you way better and you bother to teach in a great way. Thank you for that
I agree, I thought I was being very strict in thinking like you, Allan doesn't really answer, except to his friends.
thanks buddy :)
make sure your gyro end points are set up for full range travel, also make sure your servo horn ball spacing is out per the manual. also make sure your travle adjustment are +100 -100 in the radio and make sure you dont have any expo on the rudder
Another great video... thanks!
Thanks for watching!
I read a couple of things from another video and he adviced to setup on Parameter setup, so I did.
it will all vary based on the setup and Heli.
Great information. As you further your troubleshooting videos, would you please do a segment on tracking / balancing for us new guys. Thank you.
Nice setup.
Nicely done, KEEP IT UP!!!! hey got a question! on a 450 size heli, what do you thing about plastic blades vs the woodies? also my description is beginner/intermediate
Thank you Freddy, just wished you would lose that crappy background music
Electronical - LOL. That is a new one. Mighty great insights though. Thanks.
Just a quick question for you about tail wag took my helicopter out to today first 5 minutes fly flying no problems then all of a sudden started to get lots of tail wag landed did some checks change the battery started flying again no problems but about 2 minutes later very bad tail wag have you any ideas why this would stop and start. And thanks for the video on collective free hovering very useful.
My next heli nitro 600. This video will me thanks
Nitro is the best :)
Freddy I love your intro with your specs- 5ft 5in, 120lbs.
If you were a heli would you be a Nano cpx?
hey. i was wondering is the beast x better than the 3gx? iim building a trex 450L kit which came with the 3gx.. should i use it or go with another? as ive heard people say the 3gx is crap and i find the manual is incredibly complicated and hard to understand.
So which video show the effects of too much or too little gain?
Hey Freddy ! How are you ? So I just changed out some damaged parts etc.etc. on my xlp 550, I did not replace or unplug any servos or anything like that,but I was surprised that on trying to lift off on a first,second and even a third test flight the heli wanted to yaw nose left I mean badly, without any inputs, well right rudder just to prevent it from tipping over,a friend was telling me that I would have to reset the travel limits on the flybarless unit ( microbeast plus) is whats on my heli, I'm new to this, how do I go about doing this bud ???
Electronical !, new word but thanks for the infonical ! Lol
what about a tail kick to the right? tail compensation for torque in the fbl unit? Or revomix? would a straight throttle curve work better, instead of a smooth line up?
It will all depend on the programming in the FBL. Each system has different setting and yes in most cases these days with GOV build in flat curves are used more then linear ones. But always take in mind between mixing gyro gain and the load on the main rotor you can get tail kicks. So you have to pay attention to the Heli and make your adjustments as needed.
Hi. I put together a new Logo 800 and it wags its tail. I collected very meticulously, accurately, efficiently ... Tell me, do all the LOGOs out of the box initially wag their tails?
Hello. Are you saying that if the main blades are not balanced, then the tail will wag?
hi Freddy great video I have a problem with tail wag during tic tocs, I increase or decrease the gyro gain but it doesn't funtion, I have 3gx 3.0
Tried everything. The only thing I found was some tail sloppiness, but it seems that the actual horn can move slightly without the servo moving. I dont want to buy a new pushrod as I've already wasted way to much money on new parts trying to fix the damn thing. At this point I think Ill just start working towards a new heli.
sometimes a good upgrade to a new Heli is the way to go.
Recently I encountered some problems with my helicopter. The tail wag up and down. I'm using Naza H gyro. and I have reduce my gyro gain to 30% and it still having the same problem. Do you have any idea how to troubleshoot this?
My Align 70A ESC was set at, Brake-low, Electronic Timing-high timing, Battery Protection-Middle cutoff voltage, Aircraft-Helicopter 2 (soft start governor Mode), Throttle response speed-Quick speed. It seems two were wrong, Electronic Timing should have been mid timing and Aircraft should have been Helicopter 1 soft start. Do you think these two could have made the battery cut off, My Battery Protection was at Middle cutoff? Thanks for the help, now i know how to set my ESC!
Once I got speed fuselage, I had to put tail servo inside a fuselage and the tail rod is kinda bent a bit
yea those can be tricky to build for sure.
6:50 - The tail slider is suppose to be smooth enough that it slides down under its own weight without the need to tap the tail slider arm. It shouldn't stay in place at the top.
Hi Freddy, can you do one on tail bobbing or tell me why the tail on my T-Rex 500 EFL Pro 3GX bobs up and down. It doesn't do it all the time, just sometimes when I change direction. It can be a little bob but sometimes it jumps about 2 inches.
Thanks in advance for your help.
hey freddy, i have a trex 450 pro (flybar) with a futaba gy401 gyro and a hitec 5084 tail servo. im not having any tail wag but when i punch the throttle the tail will kick out or if im flipping it over or doing sudden pitch changes like tic tocs. my throttle curve is 100 flat my gyro gain is at 69.5 and it piourettes fine and comes to a dead stop but when the sudden pitch change happens the tail will kick out on me. after watching this video i made sure my mechanics were setup right and electronics i watched many videos on setting up the gyro and made sure i got it right. could you please help me with this problem?
hey buddy. it sounds like the kick is coming from load on the heli. think of it like this... hovering doing piros there is really not much load on the main rotor. so the tail is free to lock. but when you do hard collective the load becomes to great and that results in the tail slowing down as well and a sudden speed up once the load is released. i would reccomend making a V curve to compensate for the load and keep the tail and main rotor rpms more consistent. this should relieve the kicks but also be sure you setup is correct as well. good luck
Hay Freddy another great video dude ....... Can you help me please ....... i have a new blade 330s and i have had a tail wobble from out the box i have just ordered blade balancer and scales ...... But i have noticed the tail servo moves [creaps] to the left so I tried to stop that by adjusting the trim on the transmitter ...... But if i move the trim 3 clicks it starts to go the other way ...... Any ideas ...... james from england
Please forgive me one this one but is the 330S a flybarless system?. If so adding sub trims will usually cause odd behavior. In most cases it sounds like a gyro error or gain issue. But in all attempts try to completed the correct setup using no radio trims if possible.
Hello mate ...... Yes it is flybarless system dude ...... Thanks for ur help i will will try setting it up again from scratch ..... If not hopefully the local RC shop should be back open soon after all this covid 19 shit ...... thanks again bud
I like your youtube videos, did you teach yourself?
Hello. What lubricant do you use?
Hi, i have a new trex 550e v2. The tail servo works on the ground, every thing on my transmitter is set the way i like. Then when i fly, the servo hardly moves the tail. The gyro holds the tail nice and still, it just does not want to turn left or right. Change gyro, and the same thing. On the ground it moves fast, left and right. Hover, it almost does not turn full stick left and full stick right. Its brand new helicopter. The tail, grips, and rod moves like butter, no binding.You know this?
Set my travel left and right to 100%, and its turning like it should. I have one more Q. I have a brand new Zippy 6s 4000mAh battery. When i fly, i only get one and a half min out of the battery. Then it stops. When i charge it, it takes about 40 min, then its full. Then just one and a half min of fly. No puffing, new, and all the sells charges full on the charger. Its a 20c battery. Do you know why this is happening? Thanks for the tail reply.
check your esc programming. your voltage cutoff may be to hight
By fuselage, I mean to put a tail servo inside main body.
that makes sense
What causes tail bob up down movement?
Freddy help me please,I just installed a spektrum fc6250hx fbl controller on my heli,and everything set bang on with my transmitter, however when it's powered up.on bench the tail slowly creeps to one side ,why is this,it compensates fine when I move the heli both sides ,it just creeps to one side
I usually see this with Spektrum if you have added any sub trims to the rudder. if you have remove them, find a better servo arm and find the best mechanical 90 you can. don't worry if its not perfect the gyro will handle the rest.
Thanks, you got another subscriber, I'm a beginner, I paid to set up my T-rex470LM, and I haven't yet flown alone, just with the Instructor. But one thing I noticed, the servants are making noise all the time, even with the T-rex470Lm I commented to the person who set it up and she said it is normal, but I have read something somewhere that the servants cannot shake alone. What can it be? Obs: Sorry my english google, I'm Brazilian, I don't speak nor read English ok? Thank you.
Are you meaning that your servos are shaking without any input from you ? or just making a chattering sound?
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Freddy, good morning, I auditioned and the servants are making noise. But I also realized that the tail servo's course makes a lot of noise at one end. One of the aileron's servants hit at the end of the course, I thought I was hitting at the end of the course and to test it, I put a piece of paper and the paper gets stuck between the servant's arm and the servant's body. I made a video , but I can't post here.
Hi 🤝 I want my LOGO 800 to fly like a helicopter 🚁 copy. Now my tail is wagging a little fast. Tell me how to solve the problem? Thanks in advance 🙏
self taught through many years of trial and error lol
SOME PEOPLE...ARE JUST.....................................TOP.............................
I will do I flight and see if it went away.
:)
Bro I love your vids but could you please get rid of that noise on the background thank you!
Gone and Gone
Hey bro are you still active im the heli department?
Your video is to dark & you camera is moving around a lot ! Other wise its a good video!
thanks. tail assembly too tight...
:)
electronicals??? lol
It could be a good video but the music is Just bloody annoying
Next time, get rid of the background music please....too annoying.