this is a great video simply because it mimics what you're going to do in your garage. These bike repair/customize videos never show how many times bike shops order the wrong parts, or think somethings gonna work and it doesn't but it's edited out. There's a lot of trial and error even with people that do this for a living. thanks.
I love the New Albion 42/26 crankset. It seems to work well for me with a grx derailleur although I am running friction shifting. Love your channel. Enjoy your day my friend s.
Yes, looks like the FD-U6000-L and FD-U4000-L are both Dual Pull FD. I actually looked at using for this project but it's clamp mount and requires cable stops which the Bridge Club doesn't have. Thanks for watching the video! I'm a big fan of your channel.
Hi, your video arrive right on time regarding my BC build ! I've had exactly the same thoughts regarding the gear ratio on the Surly stock bike. That's why I got a frame instead. The stock 1x11 doesn't make sense to me neither. I knew absolutely nothing about bike mechanics. So I've been thinking/reading about the parts for a very long time. The front derailleur was the last part I hadn't figured out yet, not finding the right model... It's all good now, the fd-u6000-d seems to be the perfect one (with the probel solvers), thanks ! :) About my specs, I went differently (2x11 and 11-42 cassette). Here they are : BB : XT BB-MT800 CRANSKET : Shimano Deore FC-M5100-B2 (the 36T chainring is going to be replaced with a 40T shortly) CASSETTE : SRAM PG-1130 11-42 CHAIN : Shimano 105 CN-HG601-11 REAR DERAILLEUR : Shimano XT RD-M8000 (SGS) FRONT DERAILLEUR : Shimano cues fd-u6000-d (so thanks to you !) What I still have to do is to get a 40T chainring to replace the 36T at one point for my commuting setup (700c x 43mm). I'll keep the 36T with my 650 wheelset.. This derailleur has a 47T capacity. That's why I chose it. With my setup it's 45T (42-11+40-26). So I guess I could even go with a 42T chainring as well (but I won't anyhow). About the gear ratio, it's very close : Gear range : 587% High : 3.63 Low : 0.62 (it would be 617% if I'd used a 42T chainring, going 42-26 like you). Cost for all listed parts above : 420 $ (CAD) so 310 $ (US) taxes and shipping included. I still got to get the 40T chainring though so add few 10s $.. Real Frankenstein build but I like that. A great learning experience ! :)
Great setup! Glad we could help solve the front derailleur for you. I'd love some photos of your completed build. I may to a "readers ride" video at the end of this project.
On my gen 1 KM i run a 42-26 front crankset, zero issues with a downpull Sram X7 front derailleur, running Shimano 9 speed 11-34 cassette and chain with a friction MicroShift thumbie for the front and indexed thumbie for the rear Deore mech. Front changes that 16T step like a champ!
Id put friction shifters on that thing, SLX drivetrain with 11-46 cassette and SRAM Apex 40/30 up front,(disengage the clutch!) Pretty much bombproof and ready for anything...
I just did a very similar drivetrain swap on a 2023 TREK Dual Sport 3. Fortunately the 46/30 cranks were no issue on my frame, and the CUES crankset has an excellent built-in adjuster for proper chain line. I was considering using a similar Microshift Sword 2x setup, but the lack of flat bar shifters put the brakes on that. This is my second CUES drivetrain swap, the first was on my e-bike. Very pleased with the durability of the linkglide stuff, so I don’t care about the small weight penalty. BTW… the CUES front mech (top swing), is dual pull - will work with top or bottom pull cable routing.
I almost went with a Microshift Sword upgrade for this project. I was planning to use the Microshift thumb shifters. But, I'm happy with the Cues drivetrain so far.
@@ottawabikeandtrailI actually bought a pair of those thumb shifters, but didn’t like the ergonomics, so I went the CUES route. Microshift has a compatible right-side trigger shifter (their Advent-X stuff has the same pull ratio as Sword), but no left-side trigger shifter.
IMHO 1x drivetrains are for gravity bikes or plus bikes where you can't fit a front derailleur. Or, you don't care about top end or low end and are happy with a limited gear range. I am not happy with fewer choices. I run a 2x MicroShift Advent drivetrain on 2 different bikes. 28/44 in the front with 11-42 in the rear on my 650b x 47 adventure bike and 28/38 on my 29 x 1.95 adventure bike with the same 11-42 cassette in the rear. I have 685mm Haro Pivit riser bars on both bikes. So, standard MTB components work for me. 600% gear range on the 650b bike. I may put a 26T chainring on the 29er. But, it's super easy to pedal up hills and go fast enough on the flats with either bike. The 29er is more off-road specific with Kenda Straight 8 tires. The other bike is more versatile with smoother rolling American Classic Kimberlite tires. Either way, modern wide-range 2x drivetrains are great. EDIT: 1x drivetrain chainline is also only good in the middle of the cassette. Good job on the video! I considered a Bridge Club a few times, but went with a different brand both times.
Really nice video. Frankly, myself, I hate trying to make things work in a way they weren’t really designed. I would have gone for a full xt 1x 12 speed with xt shifters. Simple and efficient and strong.👍
I just finished my BC build this weekend, mostly from parts I had on hand. I am really looking to switch it to a 2x with the same crank. what spindle length did you end up using with that New Albian crank? I've been loving your videos on this build.
Seriously looking at doing this conversion...have the stock BC in XL and like the low gear for climbing on my loaded touring rig but would like more top end for the flats. I put on the jones h 2.5 bar and a Brooks b17. Also added clip on aerobars to give me a position to rest my hands and wrists for my carpal tunnel. Installed axiom rear rack and front pizza rack. Have axiom low riders if I need 4 panniers but trying to reduce my gear wt for touring the pacific coast bike route.
Thanks for watching the video! We've just got the complete parts kits for this upgrade available on our website. I'm going to check out Axiom bags. I don't have much experience with them, but their prices seem good.
My wife has this exact Bridge Club in moss green. She just broke her rear derailleur from a branch that got kicked up. She wants to keep it 1x but I'm considering upgrading her to 12sp. Do you happen to know if that Novatec hub is convertible to Microspline? I tried doing some internet searching but it isn't the easiest thing to figure out. Thanks!
Great video. I'm thinking of doing a similar conversion. Would the SHIMANO CUES TOP SWING Front Derailleur (Clamp Band Mount) 2x11/10-speed (FD-U6010-L) work with this setup? Or is there an issue with using this clamp mount?
We originally planned on using the U6010-L, but the clamp mount does not position the derailleur properly. I also confirmed with Surly that the BC needs the direct mount adapter. If you figure out a way to make it work let me know me know.
Hello,I love your video. I had built my BC (illegal green) on shimano XT drivetrain one by. Front 38, rear 46. XTR bottom bracket and Ultegra 160 rotors with Saints brakes. I do believe it is the best :)
For the new model bridge club that comes stock with cues, would you need to replace the rear derailleur/shifter if changing to 2x or would the stock work with a smaller CUES casette and a front derailleur?
Yes, you would want to replace the rear derailleur with a 2x specific one (RD-U6020) vs the (RD-U6000) that comes on the bike. The shifters will work, but of course you'll need a front shifter.
I'm looking to build my own BC right now and I've just started my research phase. I am looking to keep a 1X setup but I do want to have a 38T or 40T chain ring. Per the Surly website, it says that I need to use a Boost crankset. Have your done any experimenting with larger 1X chain rings? Is having to use a boost crankset true?
I have not tried a larger chainring on a Bridge Club. But, I'm sure that a boost crankset would be required in order to get the proper clearance if you are going to go beyond 34-tooth chainring.
Any recommendations on a groupset that would accommodate a 10-tooth small sprocket (ideally something like a 10-48t or even 10-51t)? Would be great to just swap in a different 11-speed cassette, but I haven’t been able to find anything in that range that’s compatible.
Would like to know what specific tools you used for this conversion...I've taken a bike mechanics course but haven't bought a tool set yet from Park Tools.
That square tapered bottom-bracket is fine, but how did you know what width of bottom bracket to buy? (as far as I know, they come in different sizes, like 110, 113, 121 ) Also, the Bridge Club has a 73mm bottom bracket. so does a standard Shimano BB fit in that ? Thanks for the video and going through all that trouble.
We had to try out a few different spindle lengths to get the right chainline. With the stock rear wheel we found the 118 mm spindle worked best. So, we used the Shimano BB-UN300 73mm BB with 118 mm spindle. We are stocking them if you need one.
A 24-44 SamCX crankset with 13-36 on my Cannondale Topstone gets it done! Both the BridgeClub and Topstone are unsuited for fast group rides. A touring bike's role is to carry a heavy load uphill. Downhill, brakes can do only so much. Another bike would be best here.
so you needed to go triple... and ditch the rear gearing back to 9 speed or 8 using 9 speed chain and mech. my 22,32,42 to 11-32 on my 29er is covering everything..
A double works with an 26, 40 chainset and 11, 42 cassette. According to gear inches, you get more low and high than the triple. I have that triple on my 90's mtn bike though on 26 inch tires.
While I appreciate what you are trying to do, IMO a much more elegant, inexpensive, and simple, way to accomplish the same thing would have been to simply mount a 2x crank (like a 36/26) with an aftermarket narrow/wide big ring, and leaving the stock small ring as a ghost ring that could be manually dropped down to on the rare occasions you need the really low gearing (so 1x with no front derailleur, but the option of manually moving the chain down).
@@phililpb We do not agree. My solution gives me simplicity of 1x, many useable gears, straighter chain lines, and the option and confidence (on very rare occasions) to go to some really low gears--without the clunky front derailleur, cables, etc. You do you, but my 2x option is a good solution for situations where very wide gear ranges are needed.
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this is a great video simply because it mimics what you're going to do in your garage. These bike repair/customize videos never show how many times bike shops order the wrong parts, or think somethings gonna work and it doesn't but it's edited out. There's a lot of trial and error even with people that do this for a living. thanks.
I love the New Albion 42/26 crankset. It seems to work well for me with a grx derailleur although I am running friction shifting. Love your channel. Enjoy your day my friend s.
I bought a used Surly Troll with 3x9 which gives a wide range and I love it. Old school is still the best.
Looking at the CUES FD looks like they offer "dual pull" so can be both bottom and top pull?
Yes, looks like the FD-U6000-L and FD-U4000-L are both Dual Pull FD. I actually looked at using for this project but it's clamp mount and requires cable stops which the Bridge Club doesn't have. Thanks for watching the video! I'm a big fan of your channel.
I wish people would only use bike gear inches. So much easier to understand just like the metric system.
Hi, your video arrive right on time regarding my BC build !
I've had exactly the same thoughts regarding the gear ratio on the Surly stock bike. That's why I got a frame instead. The stock 1x11 doesn't make sense to me neither. I knew absolutely nothing about bike mechanics. So I've been thinking/reading about the parts for a very long time. The front derailleur was the last part I hadn't figured out yet, not finding the right model... It's all good now, the fd-u6000-d seems to be the perfect one (with the probel solvers), thanks ! :)
About my specs, I went differently (2x11 and 11-42 cassette). Here they are :
BB : XT BB-MT800
CRANSKET : Shimano Deore FC-M5100-B2 (the 36T chainring is going to be replaced with a 40T shortly)
CASSETTE : SRAM PG-1130 11-42
CHAIN : Shimano 105 CN-HG601-11
REAR DERAILLEUR : Shimano XT RD-M8000 (SGS)
FRONT DERAILLEUR : Shimano cues fd-u6000-d (so thanks to you !)
What I still have to do is to get a 40T chainring to replace the 36T at one point for my commuting setup (700c x 43mm). I'll keep the 36T with my 650 wheelset..
This derailleur has a 47T capacity. That's why I chose it. With my setup it's 45T (42-11+40-26). So I guess I could even go with a 42T chainring as well (but I won't anyhow).
About the gear ratio, it's very close :
Gear range : 587%
High : 3.63
Low : 0.62
(it would be 617% if I'd used a 42T chainring, going 42-26 like you).
Cost for all listed parts above : 420 $ (CAD) so 310 $ (US) taxes and shipping included. I still got to get the 40T chainring though so add few 10s $..
Real Frankenstein build but I like that. A great learning experience ! :)
Great setup! Glad we could help solve the front derailleur for you. I'd love some photos of your completed build. I may to a "readers ride" video at the end of this project.
On my gen 1 KM i run a 42-26 front crankset, zero issues with a downpull Sram X7 front derailleur, running Shimano 9 speed 11-34 cassette and chain with a friction MicroShift thumbie for the front and indexed thumbie for the rear Deore mech.
Front changes that 16T step like a champ!
Id put friction shifters on that thing, SLX drivetrain with 11-46 cassette and SRAM Apex 40/30 up front,(disengage the clutch!) Pretty much bombproof and ready for anything...
Out of curiosity, why not go with an old-school friction front derailleur? It seems like it would simplify things and give you more options for parts.
I normally would. Most of my bikes are thumb shifters and friction front. But I wanted to try out the Cues trigger shifters. They actually work great.
I'm looking to build up a Bridge Club from the parts bin. I have a 2x9 setup minus the crank I think I'm going to go small with 34/26
46 on that kinf of bike is overkill...
I just did a very similar drivetrain swap on a 2023 TREK Dual Sport 3. Fortunately the 46/30 cranks were no issue on my frame, and the CUES crankset has an excellent built-in adjuster for proper chain line. I was considering using a similar Microshift Sword 2x setup, but the lack of flat bar shifters put the brakes on that. This is my second CUES drivetrain swap, the first was on my e-bike. Very pleased with the durability of the linkglide stuff, so I don’t care about the small weight penalty. BTW… the CUES front mech (top swing), is dual pull - will work with top or bottom pull cable routing.
I almost went with a Microshift Sword upgrade for this project. I was planning to use the Microshift thumb shifters. But, I'm happy with the Cues drivetrain so far.
@@ottawabikeandtrailI actually bought a pair of those thumb shifters, but didn’t like the ergonomics, so I went the CUES route. Microshift has a compatible right-side trigger shifter (their Advent-X stuff has the same pull ratio as Sword), but no left-side trigger shifter.
IMHO 1x drivetrains are for gravity bikes or plus bikes where you can't fit a front derailleur. Or, you don't care about top end or low end and are happy with a limited gear range. I am not happy with fewer choices.
I run a 2x MicroShift Advent drivetrain on 2 different bikes. 28/44 in the front with 11-42 in the rear on my 650b x 47 adventure bike and 28/38 on my 29 x 1.95 adventure bike with the same 11-42 cassette in the rear. I have 685mm Haro Pivit riser bars on both bikes. So, standard MTB components work for me. 600% gear range on the 650b bike. I may put a 26T chainring on the 29er. But, it's super easy to pedal up hills and go fast enough on the flats with either bike. The 29er is more off-road specific with Kenda Straight 8 tires. The other bike is more versatile with smoother rolling American Classic Kimberlite tires. Either way, modern wide-range 2x drivetrains are great. EDIT: 1x drivetrain chainline is also only good in the middle of the cassette.
Good job on the video! I considered a Bridge Club a few times, but went with a different brand both times.
I have a few 1x bikes. But I’m with you. I love the wider range that a 2x provides.
Really nice video. Frankly, myself, I hate trying to make things work in a way they weren’t really designed. I would have gone for a full xt 1x 12 speed with xt shifters. Simple and efficient and strong.👍
The 1x12 XT option is certainly a good choice and we LOVE the XT drivetrain. But, we haven't come up with a way to solve the range issue with a 1x.
I just finished my BC build this weekend, mostly from parts I had on hand. I am really looking to switch it to a 2x with the same crank. what spindle length did you end up using with that New Albian crank? I've been loving your videos on this build.
Is there a fitment reason you didn't go with a larger Cues Cassette like the CS-LG400-11 11/45?
I’m pretty sure I maxed out the derailleur chain capacity with the 39 tooth cassette and the 42/24 combo up front.
Seriously looking at doing this conversion...have the stock BC in XL and like the low gear for climbing on my loaded touring rig but would like more top end for the flats. I put on the jones h 2.5 bar and a Brooks b17. Also added clip on aerobars to give me a position to rest my hands and wrists for my carpal tunnel. Installed axiom rear rack and front pizza rack. Have axiom low riders if I need 4 panniers but trying to reduce my gear wt for touring the pacific coast bike route.
Thanks for watching the video! We've just got the complete parts kits for this upgrade available on our website. I'm going to check out Axiom bags. I don't have much experience with them, but their prices seem good.
My wife has this exact Bridge Club in moss green. She just broke her rear derailleur from a branch that got kicked up. She wants to keep it 1x but I'm considering upgrading her to 12sp. Do you happen to know if that Novatec hub is convertible to Microspline? I tried doing some internet searching but it isn't the easiest thing to figure out. Thanks!
Great video. I'm thinking of doing a similar conversion. Would the SHIMANO CUES TOP SWING Front Derailleur (Clamp Band Mount) 2x11/10-speed (FD-U6010-L) work with this setup? Or is there an issue with using this clamp mount?
We originally planned on using the U6010-L, but the clamp mount does not position the derailleur properly. I also confirmed with Surly that the BC needs the direct mount adapter. If you figure out a way to make it work let me know me know.
Hello,I love your video.
I had built my BC (illegal green) on shimano XT drivetrain one by. Front 38, rear 46. XTR bottom bracket and Ultegra 160 rotors with Saints brakes.
I do believe it is the best :)
Love XT, XTR, and Saint but out of budget for this project. Lol.
@@ottawabikeandtrailunderstandable, I try to keep this my only bike. Any bike that is loved is the best though.
Have a nice day :)
For the new model bridge club that comes stock with cues, would you need to replace the rear derailleur/shifter if changing to 2x or would the stock work with a smaller CUES casette and a front derailleur?
Yes, you would want to replace the rear derailleur with a 2x specific one (RD-U6020) vs the (RD-U6000) that comes on the bike. The shifters will work, but of course you'll need a front shifter.
How does that front pull deraillure play with a water bottle?
The derailleur hanger doesn’t interfere with the bottle cage. Good question though.
I'm looking to build my own BC right now and I've just started my research phase. I am looking to keep a 1X setup but I do want to have a 38T or 40T chain ring. Per the Surly website, it says that I need to use a Boost crankset. Have your done any experimenting with larger 1X chain rings? Is having to use a boost crankset true?
I have not tried a larger chainring on a Bridge Club. But, I'm sure that a boost crankset would be required in order to get the proper clearance if you are going to go beyond 34-tooth chainring.
Any recommendations on a groupset that would accommodate a 10-tooth small sprocket (ideally something like a 10-48t or even 10-51t)? Would be great to just swap in a different 11-speed cassette, but I haven’t been able to find anything in that range that’s compatible.
Not many options for a 10-tooth small sprocket, at least that I'm experienced with.
Well you didn't say anything about what cues gearing you used 9, 10 or 11 speed. Or rear wheel spacing 135, 142 or boost
I should have mentioned that! Stock rear spacing 142 and 10-speed. Thanks for pointing that out.
It appears that Cues FC-U4010 crankset (26,40) is available online now. I wonder if that would work.
I believe that it will work.
Would like to know what specific tools you used for this conversion...I've taken a bike mechanics course but haven't bought a tool set yet from Park Tools.
Maybe we'll do video on this. The main tool other than hex wrenches is the Bottom Bracket Removal tools.
That square tapered bottom-bracket is fine, but how did you know what width of bottom bracket to buy? (as far as I know, they come in different sizes, like 110, 113, 121 ) Also, the Bridge Club has a 73mm bottom bracket. so does a standard Shimano BB fit in that ? Thanks for the video and going through all that trouble.
We had to try out a few different spindle lengths to get the right chainline. With the stock rear wheel we found the 118 mm spindle worked best. So, we used the Shimano BB-UN300 73mm BB with 118 mm spindle. We are stocking them if you need one.
A 24-44 SamCX crankset with 13-36 on my Cannondale Topstone gets it done! Both the BridgeClub and Topstone are unsuited for fast group rides. A touring bike's role is to carry a heavy load uphill. Downhill, brakes can do only so much. Another bike would be best here.
Thanks David! I agree with the “fast” group ride comment. We like our group rides at Party Pace.
so you needed to go triple... and ditch the rear gearing back to 9 speed or 8 using 9 speed chain and mech. my 22,32,42 to 11-32 on my 29er is covering everything..
Thanks for watching! I agree. I think the triple is completely underrated, especially for touring bikes.
A double works with an 26, 40 chainset and 11, 42 cassette. According to gear inches, you get more low and high than the triple. I have that triple on my 90's mtn bike though on 26 inch tires.
@jollyandwaylo sure that sounds viable. I think I calculated 26-42 being best for a compact double for me. Triples exist already no mods required
While I appreciate what you are trying to do, IMO a much more elegant, inexpensive, and simple, way to accomplish the same thing would have been to simply mount a 2x crank (like a 36/26) with an aftermarket narrow/wide big ring, and leaving the stock small ring as a ghost ring that could be manually dropped down to on the rare occasions you need the really low gearing (so 1x with no front derailleur, but the option of manually moving the chain down).
That would be a great approach! We have a lot of rolling hills here which might be a problem but I love the idea.
I bet money that you don’t live in the Pittsburgh area.
@@dant.6364 Correct. I live (and ride my bikes) in NW Arkansas-where the hills are no joke, and just keep coming.
@@kennyness8881 a gear that you have to get off the bike and move the chain to use? did we just go back 100 years. there is nothing elegant about that
@@phililpb We do not agree. My solution gives me simplicity of 1x, many useable gears, straighter chain lines, and the option and confidence (on very rare occasions) to go to some really low gears--without the clunky front derailleur, cables, etc. You do you, but my 2x option is a good solution for situations where very wide gear ranges are needed.
gawd I wish you weren't so far away.
Thanks!
Bru, you went full Frankenstein. Why not get a nice wolf tooth 1x in 34 and just call it? You really need granny gear with that rear cassette?
Do you really think the "best" Bridge Club is going to run on CUES? lmao