Where I train would most likely be labeled a gym, I love it though. 10-15 minutes warming up 45-50 minutes drilling techs, and 30 minutes rolling. Love the videos, always fun to hear experienced perspectives.
I am fine with the gym setting, as a former high-level freestyle wrestler, blue and purple belts struggle vs my WB top game. I do most of my learning, either tapping out and getting some instruction about the sequence, or just straight up figuring it out Mid roll. That being said, I suggest Someone with no grappling background find an Academy Because I don’t think the unmitigated joy I feel from being smashed is normal🤣
Hey Ryan, your videos have really gotten me interested in learning Jiu-Jitsu. This video helps a lot especially when looking at which location to train at. I current;y train Muay Thai and am looking to learn other martial arts. Love the shirt you're wearing.
I took one class and realized I was in a gym. Canceled my membership the next day and didn’t even know how to define the difference at the time. I did know that the gym wasn’t the best place for me to develop my fundamentals.
Nice video to help differentiate between the two. I am the owner of a training facility that I refer to as “Brandon’s Gym”. We are in Columbus, Ohio. Another gym owner friend and I often discuss this topic. In my town there are some places that I feel are too theoretical in nature and not very practical, therefore a big reason I use the term “gym” is because I want to be differentiate myself. I want my clients to understand we place emphasis on practical application, if that makes sense. We are a Carlson Gracie Team affiliate so we instruct that type of curriculum, though I use the term “gym”. Anyway, just thought I’d share my rationale. It’s good to know others are thinking about this topic.
Really helpful breakdown. Just got smashed and injured (medial knee sprain, awfully painful) at a local MMA gym. I dropped in for a free trial BJJ class. While rolling with their brown belt “instructor” is when I got hurt.
I really feel like a good mix is best for learning, albeit not for necessarily keeping new people. You need to spend a lot of time drilling techniques, but you also need to actually get in there and roll. I went to a camp and had the privilege of rolling with people from around the world. One person was a new gracie blue belt, and although he knew the techniques, he wasnt able to really apply any of them because he had almost no experience rolling. Granted that's only one person, and i believe once they've been rolling for a little while they can hold their own when you'd expect them too. Rolling from the jump definitely makes new guys quit though. When i roll with new guys I make sure to just work positions and let it be about them. The problem is the less newer guys who get to finally smash 😆
I think both have their merits. The swim with the sharks can certainly harden you. Steel sharpens steel. It can be a challenge for new people where it is more hot steel vs butter. I do think in either scenario a curriculum needs to be in place in writing. There is freedom that can only be found in structure. In a jiu Jitsu setting it is that buildout of a good framework of relational components with NAMED components and the plan to get from A to B. In my opinion there is no value to rolling or situational drilling even if you dont know what to do. It just reinforces bad habits. I'm only a blue belt so I don't know for sure if this is true in the long haul but from other business applications it proves true
We need to have our school covered by a JJGF team. Our school is called Trounce Martial Art Fitness and we are an educational unit under JJGF. We love our current black belt as he gives us the freedom to have either a GJJ or BJJ type school.
@@KamaJiuJitsu I really want guidance and structure , but we don't have the time right now to go to Texas. Is it possible to do most of the training through correspondence? We would of course come to be tested on the structure and curriculum in person. Can you like us on Facebook at Trounce Martial Art Fitness, so I can message our current program to you?
Kama Jiu-Jitsu - do you practice leg locks at kama? I heard Relson Gracie hates them because its reatively easy to blow your knee which is a permanent injury. he also says his father never taught them on purpose. other gracies are ok with them
I was watching some old school gracie instructionals and they were going over toe holds, straight ankles and knee bars. I forget who it was, he was demonstrating on royce.
He said in another video he does, but only starts to teach them at blue belt. Jean Jaques Machado said the same thing but with purple belt instead of blue.
I wish there was a Kama BJJ here in Toronto, Canada. There is not one school here that follows this methodology of a linear curriculum. I am one month into bjj training and as a teacher in another field I find it ridiculous how poorly structured the teaching in jiujitsu schools is. I've checked out a number of them and they all do the same thing you mention in this video. The problem is anyone with a black belt is considered fit to own and teach at a bjj school without any knowledge of what it takes to teach. The best athletes don't always make the best coaches- in fact, usually the opposite is the case. Someone born with great athletic genes or someone who picks up complex movements easily is on a fast track to a black belt and they think that qualifies them to instruct. Usually its the person who had to struggle to earn that black belt that understands the difficulties that a new student is experiencing. No one learns to drive by hopping behind the wheel of an 18-wheel transport trailer- you start in the Geo Metro and over a succession of a period of gaining experience one develops the confidence and skills to then start training to drive larger vehicles. You don't hop into the seat of a 747 when you wanna become a pilot- you start in a little Cessna single prop, yet 99% of the bjj gyms and schools are expecting newbies to take the controls of a 747. Its ridiculous!
This is my story.. I went to a "gym" I lasted 2-3 months. They pushed me to compete and I was no where near ready. LOL. I wish I had gone to a school or an academy. I wanted to learn Jiu-Jitsu not be someone's grappling dummy. LOL.. I leaned more from the videos I have (thank god I had them) then at the gym I went to...
It's taken me 5 months to learn what was already in this video! I train at a gym and prefer it, i'm not anti-academies though. The only thing i'd say that you didn't mention is that, in my opinion, you're going to develop a personal style quicker in a gym and that makes it easier to compete in beginner / white belt competitions. You can neglect entire areas of BJJ that don't fit your style, preferences or body type whilst you focus on those that do. Naturally, to make Blue belt you will want to study them eventually, but in terms of competing as a 4-month white belt, i feel gyms put you at an advantage
Do you have any recommendations for a gym in east dallas or near downtown? Preferably somewhere that trains no gi sometimes. I want to come check out Kama sometime and meet you but the drive is too much for me to do on a consistent basis. I think I’m in the writing sentences phase as a blue belt
@@KamaJiuJitsu as a Portuguese speaker married to Brazilian, yes it could be called Gold’s Academy. It’s a relatively recent development of fitness centers being called Gyms in Brasil. I definitely agree with School vs Gym approach most of my drilling is done after class with fellow students who want to work after the instructor has ended class.
I know that nothing can replace quality instruction at an academy but how proficient could I be at Jiu-Jitsu with a few training partners and a subscription to your Patreon channel? (Black belt) Is your channel strictly supplementation for what I learn at a school or could it be used to actually learn techniques by drilling them with partners?
Should lower belt ranks that are specifically females train under a higher ranked female/female black belts? Due to body composition? Fitness females are flexible in ways that a male stereotypical football guys/big ass wrestler guys are not. How can a female train to her body type advantages if she is learning from someone who doesn't have same composition?
@@KamaJiuJitsu lol Thanks for the response and all the great videos. I think I train at place more like gym (instead of academy and more competition based)and not part of JJGF, and I also do like to learn self defense part of Jiu Jitsu. I noticed there is Gracie University which is part of JJGF and you can learn from online. or from Rickson Gracie program link you have provided. What are the major differences between them? or any other tips for people like me who wants to learn more(or different) than what your BJJ school offers?
Where I train would most likely be labeled a gym, I love it though. 10-15 minutes warming up 45-50 minutes drilling techs, and 30 minutes rolling. Love the videos, always fun to hear experienced perspectives.
That's how it is where I train. I like it.
I am fine with the gym setting, as a former high-level freestyle wrestler, blue and purple belts struggle vs my WB top game. I do most of my learning, either tapping out and getting some instruction about the sequence, or just straight up figuring it out Mid roll. That being said, I suggest Someone with no grappling background find an Academy Because I don’t think the unmitigated joy I feel from being smashed is normal🤣
I wish Kama Jiu Jitsu was near me.
Where are you?
Wow! I didn’t realize I was at a gym before I heard this! I’m moving over to an academy !!
Did u find one?
Thank you for clarfiying this issue. Saddly it can even happen in a "official" certified dojo. Great adivice. Gracias.
Hey Ryan, your videos have really gotten me interested in learning Jiu-Jitsu. This video helps a lot especially when looking at which location to train at. I current;y train Muay Thai and am looking to learn other martial arts. Love the shirt you're wearing.
Shirts can be ordered at KamaJiuJitsu@gmail.com if interested.
Fantastic information and reassurance. Thanks!
I took one class and realized I was in a gym. Canceled my membership the next day and didn’t even know how to define the difference at the time. I did know that the gym wasn’t the best place for me to develop my fundamentals.
O man... shout out! Thanks Ryan!
Nice video to help differentiate between the two. I am the owner of a training facility that I refer to as “Brandon’s Gym”. We are in Columbus, Ohio. Another gym owner friend and I often discuss this topic. In my town there are some places that I feel are too theoretical in nature and not very practical, therefore a big reason I use the term “gym” is because I want to be differentiate myself. I want my clients to understand we place emphasis on practical application, if that makes sense. We are a Carlson Gracie Team affiliate so we instruct that type of curriculum, though I use the term “gym”. Anyway, just thought I’d share my rationale. It’s good to know others are thinking about this topic.
good to go!
Really thanks for your advices .
all respect
Really helpful breakdown. Just got smashed and injured (medial knee sprain, awfully painful) at a local MMA gym. I dropped in for a free trial BJJ class. While rolling with their brown belt “instructor” is when I got hurt.
Run away and don’t look back.
😳😅
I really feel like a good mix is best for learning, albeit not for necessarily keeping new people. You need to spend a lot of time drilling techniques, but you also need to actually get in there and roll.
I went to a camp and had the privilege of rolling with people from around the world. One person was a new gracie blue belt, and although he knew the techniques, he wasnt able to really apply any of them because he had almost no experience rolling. Granted that's only one person, and i believe once they've been rolling for a little while they can hold their own when you'd expect them too.
Rolling from the jump definitely makes new guys quit though. When i roll with new guys I make sure to just work positions and let it be about them. The problem is the less newer guys who get to finally smash 😆
Great advice!
I think both have their merits. The swim with the sharks can certainly harden you. Steel sharpens steel. It can be a challenge for new people where it is more hot steel vs butter. I do think in either scenario a curriculum needs to be in place in writing. There is freedom that can only be found in structure. In a jiu Jitsu setting it is that buildout of a good framework of relational components with NAMED components and the plan to get from A to B. In my opinion there is no value to rolling or situational drilling even if you dont know what to do. It just reinforces bad habits. I'm only a blue belt so I don't know for sure if this is true in the long haul but from other business applications it proves true
Your explanation basically says school over gym.
Couldn't agree with you more on this. Another great video.
I just ordered a kataaro belt. I should be getting it the end of the month, cant wait
Thanks, man!
good talk as always ryan
So true!!!
We need to have our school covered by a JJGF team. Our school is called Trounce Martial Art Fitness and we are an educational unit under JJGF. We love our current black belt as he gives us the freedom to have either a GJJ or BJJ type school.
and why not? after all, it's your business. you succeed or fail by your decisions.
i seem to recall sending an email to Christina at your school back in January...
@@KamaJiuJitsu I really want guidance and structure , but we don't have the time right now to go to Texas. Is it possible to do most of the training through correspondence? We would of course come to be tested on the structure and curriculum in person. Can you like us on Facebook at Trounce Martial Art Fitness, so I can message our current program to you?
Done
Kama Jiu-Jitsu
- do you practice leg locks at kama? I heard Relson Gracie hates them because its reatively easy to blow your knee which is a permanent injury. he also says his father never taught them on purpose. other gracies are ok with them
I was watching some old school gracie instructionals and they were going over toe holds, straight ankles and knee bars. I forget who it was, he was demonstrating on royce.
He said in another video he does, but only starts to teach them at blue belt. Jean Jaques Machado said the same thing but with purple belt instead of blue.
I wish there was a Kama BJJ here in Toronto, Canada. There is not one school here that follows this methodology of a linear curriculum. I am one month into bjj training and as a teacher in another field I find it ridiculous how poorly structured the teaching in jiujitsu schools is. I've checked out a number of them and they all do the same thing you mention in this video. The problem is anyone with a black belt is considered fit to own and teach at a bjj school without any knowledge of what it takes to teach. The best athletes don't always make the best coaches- in fact, usually the opposite is the case. Someone born with great athletic genes or someone who picks up complex movements easily is on a fast track to a black belt and they think that qualifies them to instruct. Usually its the person who had to struggle to earn that black belt that understands the difficulties that a new student is experiencing. No one learns to drive by hopping behind the wheel of an 18-wheel transport trailer- you start in the Geo Metro and over a succession of a period of gaining experience one develops the confidence and skills to then start training to drive larger vehicles. You don't hop into the seat of a 747 when you wanna become a pilot- you start in a little Cessna single prop, yet 99% of the bjj gyms and schools are expecting newbies to take the controls of a 747. Its ridiculous!
Exactly right on all counts.
This is my story.. I went to a "gym" I lasted 2-3 months. They pushed me to compete and I was no where near ready. LOL. I wish I had gone to a school or an academy. I wanted to learn Jiu-Jitsu not be someone's grappling dummy. LOL.. I leaned more from the videos
I have (thank god I had them) then at the gym I went to...
It's taken me 5 months to learn what was already in this video! I train at a gym and prefer it, i'm not anti-academies though. The only thing i'd say that you didn't mention is that, in my opinion, you're going to develop a personal style quicker in a gym and that makes it easier to compete in beginner / white belt competitions. You can neglect entire areas of BJJ that don't fit your style, preferences or body type whilst you focus on those that do. Naturally, to make Blue belt you will want to study them eventually, but in terms of competing as a 4-month white belt, i feel gyms put you at an advantage
So what about self defense?
Do you have any recommendations for a gym in east dallas or near downtown? Preferably somewhere that trains no gi sometimes. I want to come check out Kama sometime and meet you but the drive is too much for me to do on a consistent basis. I think I’m in the writing sentences phase as a blue belt
You can do it...😉
There is always north Dallas 10th planet I have not been there yet, but I have done training with the brown there he is Amazing
"jiu-jitsu academy" is just portuguese for "Jiu-Jitsu gym" we have the same word for academy and gym (academia)
So does that mean that Gold’s Gym can also be called an academy?
@@KamaJiuJitsu as a Portuguese speaker married to Brazilian, yes it could be called Gold’s Academy. It’s a relatively recent development of fitness centers being called Gyms in Brasil. I definitely agree with School vs Gym approach most of my drilling is done after class with fellow students who want to work after the instructor has ended class.
I know that nothing can replace quality instruction at an academy but how proficient could I be at Jiu-Jitsu with a few training partners and a subscription to your Patreon channel? (Black belt)
Is your channel strictly supplementation for what I learn at a school or could it be used to actually learn techniques by drilling them with partners?
Hi, Ray, you can totally learn proficiently using KJJ Patreon and some training partners. There’s a TON of stuff on there.
Bro I had an opportunity to watch the first 10 lessons and they worth every penny. Unfortunately I'm short on money.
Davi Bourne Yes sir! I’m a Black Belt Patreon now. You wouldn’t happen to live in Houston, would you?
Lol Immersion learning vs Rosetta Stone
Should lower belt ranks that are specifically females train under a higher ranked female/female black belts? Due to body composition? Fitness females are flexible in ways that a male stereotypical football guys/big ass wrestler guys are not. How can a female train to her body type advantages if she is learning from someone who doesn't have same composition?
Where do we send questions to?
You just did. I’m not gonna do a video on THAT question, though. You need to ask a better question more people want the answer to!
@@KamaJiuJitsu lol Thanks for the response and all the great videos.
I think I train at place more like gym (instead of academy and more competition based)and not part of JJGF, and I also do like to learn self defense part of Jiu Jitsu.
I noticed there is Gracie University which is part of JJGF and you can learn from online.
or from Rickson Gracie program link you have provided.
What are the major differences between them? or any other tips for people like me who wants to learn more(or different) than what your BJJ school offers?
both are good.
👌🏾🤙🏾👍🏽
If you can not handle losing in the beginning, you wont be able to handle Winning in the end.
I prefer the school style and think better martial artists come out of those places.