Are the Warriors turning the corner?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ธ.ค. 2022
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Golden State was just 13-13 heading into a December showdown against the red hot Celtics. This detailed film breakdown looks at how the Warriors defense and Klay Thompson helped take down Boston, and how they could propel Golden State forward this year.
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Kevon Looney is so underrated. I don't know if he would have as much success in other systems being the small ball center that he is, but the things he does for the Warriors; offense boards, great paint protection, and superb passing, make him shine on this great team.
Screening
This mas is very underrated at screening and patience on passes
@@cyberft I saw the stats today and Looney isn’t top 5 I don’t think, Adams leads the league in screen assists, agreed Looney is crazy underrated though
He played great defense against Tatum on the switches
@@samn90834 you’re right. Got caught repeating something someone told me. SMH.
Precisely why he was paid this year.... plays the system like a fiddle....
What was most surprising to me was how the Celtics bench was simply outplayed by the Warriors bench (not even counting Poole). DiVincenzo, Kuminga, and Moody were great in maintaining the defensive intensity that the starters set
Poole would have had a nightmare game if he hadn’t gotten to the line so many times too
@@landanross2966 What are you talking about? He knew he wasn’t dropping 3s that’s why he drove as much to get to the line. That is the correct mindset of a scorer
@@landanross2966 If you cant defend without fouling thats on you.
@@landanross2966 He's smart to not settle for 3s because it's not dropping. That's why he got to the line more, and it's not his fault that the Celtics are fouling him
@@landanross2966 If I beat Steph friggin' Curry for the most accurate FT% last year, I'd try to go to the line a bunch too
Like dray said. As long as the big three is healthy the warriors are always a threat.
The big three is getting smaller every day
@@kylelewis7767 It's a big one right now
He said that about the Lakers though. Hahahahahahahahaha
The warriors 3 have never lost a series after 2015 while all healthy
@@kylelewis7767 Don't matter. Your team still ain't beating them.
This was probably Klay best game since returning from the injury. Defense was on point and he's hitting his shot with Patience
Nah. He had some brilliant playoff games.
What about his 41point game?
@@Auokii it's definitely a contest, but his defense in this game might seperate it
@@Auokii it's against the rocket...
@@Awesomeness4627 yup, his defense literally old Klay this game
Unbelievable how quick you guys are at turning around top notch content. This game finished less than 24 hours ago! Big respect to all of you at TB, keep up the amazing work and go Dubs!
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@@trap404some people just carry hate in their heart.
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Warriors are at that stage of a dynasty where they know they can flip a switch.
Exactly no need to go full Force every game they've proofed themselves their elite
Until they start stringing together consecutive games playing at this level they haven't flipped anything. Klay has 1 good game out of every three
@@jayjonah83 and four rings in 8 yrs what ur favorite current sg doing
@@late3253 you're talking legacy and I'm talking about the current season. I honestly don't care how great he was 4 years ago if he's taking bad shots and bricking open three's today.
you still don’t know what could happen with and the lost games they’ve had. i’d like for them to just secure a playoff spot because i don’t want to leave the post-season up to a play-in game.
Kuminga should also be looked at as another X-factor. It feels like he's making a jump right now.
He played fantastic
yup. Him and Moody will inherit the franchise. Hope Wiseman catches up...
He's definitely ready to take a bigger role on the Warriors right now.
@jojetparedes4024
Iggy >> kuminga
Draymond >> Looney
Klay >> Moody
Steph >> Poole
The warriors' long term planning and player development is quite sophisticated.
agree. it seems to me Kuminga is filling the role that the W's had hoped Wiseman would fill: crashing the glass on 3 pointers for the easy second effort, while Looney gets back on defense.
Insane to me how someone can choose to consistently do drop coverage on Steph or Klay
@callmecatalyst This new Celtics coach has them first in the league with the best offence of all time (admittedly it's a long season but alas). Boston were without Horford and Rob Williams for the game, leaving their big man rotation as Blake Griffin and Luke Kornet, who would both get torched on the perimeter. You're a donut if you think this is a reflection of Mazzulla
@callmecatalyst fwiw Ime was also doing drop coverage on Steph in the finals. Pretty much every former player in the media flamed him for it. I wouldn't put all the blame on Mazzulla for this.
We were forced to play Blake griffin for 20 minutes cause Williams and Horford were out we’ll be okay
@@albericponcedeleon2696 And there is a reason why we were playing drop on the Dubs. You basically neutralize everyone else, ESPECIALLY Draymond, with the drop. It was the Celtics offense that failed them more, not their D. Even Thinking Basketball covered this before in their channel.
@callmecatalyst very likely how? You don’t know that man or what really went down concerning his situation smh crazy how y’all think y’all know people through a phone
As a Warriors fan, the vibe I get from the team this season is that they're not trying as hard as they should, and they're just messing around with rotations to see what works come playoff time. I was concerned like everyone else at the start, but I think they're trying to actually win games now. This upcoming road trip will really tell us where they stand
big agree. I expected them to lose most of their first 15 games, as they try to bring the newer and bench players up a notch in skill and synergy with the rest of the warriors lineup. And in this game we saw that synergy with how well each of the role and bench players filled their niche, maintaining the pace, intensity, and playstyle of the starters.
I think the W's feel a little entitled to getting to the playoffs. and for good reason, making it the finals 6 out of the past 8 years is a huge deal. and once they are in the playoffs, I think they have a very good chance of repeating a championship
Their preseason is basically 20 games into the regular season. With how the teams are stacked up, it doesn't really matter getting the top seeds.
They've experience the collapse of their 73-9 season, so there's nothing to prove. Most contending teams now are just using the regular season to practice and polish their post season form and even then it is too long, and we have now an acceptable bullshit practice of "load management".
The 82 game league schedule is broken for as long as corporate America can remember. Does having Eastern-Western conferences even have any meaning anymore?
The most logical and sensible schedule is for teams to play home and away games with every other team, making it a 58 game season.
Seeding the leaderboard #1 to #16 scrapping the East/West thing will then make regular season games meaningful as being the top seed means you're basically playing the middle of the league teams and underdog upsets are even more dramatic and exciting.
I'm a warriors fan too, and I think the core players and people around the team stopped caring about the regular season after the 2016 finals. They saw how all that effort they poured into an all-time regular season was rewarded. Smart people figure out the incentive structure fast, that's what makes them smart people. The warriors went into the post-season last year having lost 16 of their last 28. it didn't matter.
They haven't been struggling this season so far, they just don't care about the regular season.
@@SuperSupersoda yahh the 73-9 record that doesn't convert into championship.
Yes it will. Crushed by the bucks without Jrue.
It's nice to see Steph, Klay, and Dray co-parenting their sons Jayson and Jaylen.
And proud daddy of The Boston Celtics
Lol Steph yeah, Klay and Dray, c'mon did you even watch the finals? One good game don't make you someone's Daddy
@@brightBoss One game from who?
#classic
Brown played like he was in Game 6 again, but Tatum also played like it was Game 6
The Celtics got lucky the bucks missed their second option. Had it been the other way around and jalen brown was out for the series, the bucks would have advanced in 5. Also the Celtics got lucky Jimmy missed games in that heat series and it still went 7 games. Imagine if Tatum missed a game or 2 against that heat team. You Celtics fans are hilarious I swear
@@t-raw4316someone sounds like they have PTSD still
@@t-raw4316 "Had it been..." "Imagine if...". All that copium, yet everything you said was a complete non-sequitur. The dude was talking about the Celtics v. Warriors game that just happened, and you're still living in June, apparently.
"... the bucks would have advanced in 5". Not having Middleton isn't a good enough excuse for letting Grant Williams score 27 points in a single game. The Bucks' coaching is what cost them the series.
"Imagine if Tatum missed a game or 2 against that Heat team". Tatum played through a fractured wrist in the entire playoffs. He could have missed time for that, but he played anyway. Besides, he could have missed three games, and as long as they were games 1, 3, and 6, the series would have ended the same way. The Heat had a full roster in game 7, and still lost. That's what matters, and that's what happened.
To be fair though, you're right. The Celtics got lucky. They got lucky that Middleton was hurt. They got lucky that they stayed (mostly) healthy for the playoffs. They got lucky that Jimmy Butler chose to take a 3 at the end of game 7, and they got lucky that it didn't go in. They got lucky that so many of their recent draft picks (Smart, Brown, Tatum, Grant Williams, Rob Williams, Pritchard) turned out to be valuable players. They got lucky that their star players have matured, and don't have the ego issues that plague other teams (i.e. the Nets). They got lucky that the Derrick White trade worked out well for them. The fact of the matter is that every successful team in professional sports got there partly due to luck. You can either accept that and move on, or you can stay stuck in the past playing the "what if" game until the end of time.
Right! lol
This game was a reality check for the Celtics. I’m a Celtics fan but nobody can deny that they were out played by golden state. The defense was extremely tight and very difficult to break.
Not just that, but it shows the need for us to get Timelord back ASAP. Without him, there's no way we can contain Looney or Kuminga down low.
tbh the only hope is warriors get beat in the playoffs before making in the finals , cus it's clear as day this is the only team that is Celtics kyprtonite
@@light3181 the only chance it happens is if the Suns meet them in the playoffs. Not saying the Suns will beat them for sure, but the Warriors has always had a hard time playing against them for some reason. Other than the Suns, I don't see any other Western team posing a threat to Golden State in a 7 game series. Maybe a healthy Denver Nuggets, but idk if they already have the defensive tools to keep up with the Warriors fast paced, guard oriented offense.
@@albertmendez2262 We were really feeling the loss of time lord and big Al. Horford is a powerful presence on the court.
From these clips, it looks like Brown, Tatum and others were missing passes that would've given Boston some better looks. Clearly Tatum should've kicked it out when 3 dudes convdrged on him on the paint. Tatum is a decent passer now but still not great at making passing reads. Brown has never been good at that.
Steph is making 5 threes made per game, plus 30 PPG on a 50 /40 / 90 efficiency. He's literally playing in Unanimous MVP mode. He deserves to be mentioned next to Giannis and Luka, when Luka's team has a worse record than GSW. Jokic is also putting up MVP consistency that is so efficient nobody cares about it.
There’s an agenda, if they perform well on the upcoming road trip they’ll start moving him up there
Ikr how is Luka up there but not Curry who have a better record rn
The team luka is playing with is no where comparable to the warriors talent wise.
@@jj55222 I think there's a video from this very channel that proves it is easier to put up galactic numbers on a "bad" team in comparison with a team with other star-caliber players. And it shows as Luka has the highest usage rate by a gigantic margin
@@joaoramos7160 that’s a fair point but Lukas team is 1 game behind the warriors who are just over .500 with that much talent. That’s more so the point I was making, the mavs lost by 30 to a sub .500 bulls team last night when luka wasn’t playing. And having competitive games against top teams when he’s on the court.
This game seems like a turning point. If they get a good win on Tuesday against Milwaukee, I can see a big win streak coming
Hopefully! The next 6 games are brutal though, all road games and 2 back to backs.
Warriors can flip the switch whenever they want honestly. I don’t see anyone stopping them from winning another championship.
Not sure if they're turning the corner from this exact game forward, yet it goes to show that they can motivate themselves at the right times to make a few runs to put themselves into the playoffs.
They tied for the 3rd best record in the league in the last 15 games with all there starters only playing in 9 of the games and 2 games of them missing all the starters but looney
It's almost like when you've won four titles in 8 seasons, you have a switch that you can just flip when you need to.
@@SuperSupersoda Some fans just think teams can just go full throttle in the regular season to pursue 50+ wins and home team advantage. The season is long and usually the teams that start to show their strength by January/All-star game are the ones showing why they are contenders and not just playoff pretenders.
I love how in spite of this warriors record, basically everyone knows they'll be contending by May
Playoff basketball is different than regular season basketball.
Great breakdown but it's like a cheese sandwich without the cheese. From the title and initial comments, I was sure it was going to heavily feature the development of Kuminga as a force, particularly on defense, but on offense as well. It's not just this game and dunking on Tatum. Kuminga has become an elite on ball defender. Looking forward to the Thinking on Kuminga ...
As always, love love Thinking Basketball content! So great to be able to go behind the scenes deep into film breakdown of a recently played matchup; the turn around time is absolutely insane.
One thing I notice between film breakdown videos like these and this channel's usual videos is the narrative. I enjoyed this watch, but I much much prefer the narrative style videos you release, such as the uprising of the young and exciting Cavaliers team with Darius Garland, Mobley, and Allen. Ben, you are a fantastic story teller and the narrative of those videos keeps me hooked (i.e comparing darius' passing and facilitating abilities to prime Steve Nash). Much love and keep up the great work!
I appreciate your content so much. You are a gift to this world. Please keep doing what you're doing. Your passion and knowledge shine through in every video. What a treat! I look forward to these videos. I've been having tough days lately and your content helps me forget about it for a while. Thank you so much.
I appreciate that!
Dang that was such amazing video. Ben Taylor is the man!
You should do a video on the current Celtics offensively in a historical context. I am interested to know what that 119.9 rating actually means compared to the 90s Bulls, Showtime Lakers, 2000 Lakers, 2017 Dubs, etc...
My favourite basketball content on TH-cam. Thanks for another well researched banger.
PS, I looked everywhere for that Klay Thompson block on Tatum last night. I finally get to see it again!
Great vid, hope content like this keeps coming
Another thing I love about this channel are the minds of the subscribers. People here know that they're talking about. Mad respect to my fellow lovers of the game.
personally, i think the warriors bench is the x-factor. kuminga looks like he is taking a leap this year, like poole last year. Devincenzo is figuring out his role. If wiseman can break the rotation, he would also add another dimension to the dubs at the 5.
i think wiseman still need another year to at least become effective in rotation
wiseman will add another dimension for sure. one that makes a 15 point lead dissipate in 5 minutes.
I think wiseman just needs to improve his basketball IQ. He loves to play around the basket and camp in the paint on offense. He just needs to do a better job understanding spacing. It’s why kuminga also looked bad early on. Wiseman clogging the paint completely nullified kuminga’s playstyle, and now with wiseman out, the improved spacing has allowed kuminga to play to his strengths. Wiseman just needs to learn from looney on where he should be on offense.
Wiseman just needs to play closer to something like Looney does. Good defensive bigs aren't liabilities when they are attacked on screens/switches by the ball handler. As well as positioning on the offense. He'll get his baskets with his own athleticism/length.
Thanks for the insight!
You guys are the best!
As Jaylen Brown said in his press conference, some of the Celts (*cough*JT*cough*) had that game circled on the calendar for months and got too hyped and intense, and didn't play their game. Hopefully they learn.
beautiful breakdown love the defense and klay getting nice looks dubs back
Thanks for the vid
Wow another warriors video! What an untouched topic by this channel😵
last night looked the warriors of last year defense was on point and their offense great getting good looks of their off ball motion and ball movement
Great content once more from you . Please make content on SGA and his ascension to stardom. You already made one on his second year improvements .
Kerr and they know it's a key matchup and they were just sending a message. They don't care for regular season, but winning in the playoffs instead.
That Celtics drop defense was so unusual…there were a few times where they should have called defensive 3 seconds on Griffin. He was parked in the paint. Jeff Van Gundy even commented on this deep drop defense calling it a type of “one man zone”
Hey are we ever gonna get a top ten players of this year video? I really like those videos! Sorry if I missed a memo of some kind
Same, i was also disappointed that there wasnt one
We didn't get any but heyy check his podcast. He revisited his top 40 players of all time. It's called Thinking basketball as well. Cheers!
thanks man, learnt alot
As usual, great video. Congratulations!!! Is anybody from Brasil around here???
6:05 After the screen, Kuminga's drive to the rim gets two defenders on him in the paint. With Tatum carefully watching where Kuminga is going to be.
Defense is always tricky, especially when you always rotating new players into your rotation. But damn do the Warrior always do a good job really getting it dialed in. Of course the start of the season there are going to be some hiccups but their progression is always fun to see
we all know playoffs will be very different, just wait for it, they know how to win when it matters most
I knew you are gonna make a video about this!!!
Nice!..
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good content
man if steph wins another chip + finals mvp this year, i dont think its possible to keep him off a top 10 all time list
it already is complete blasphemy, best point guard to ever touch a ball
He’s defo top 10 imo, look at his offensive numbers this year too.
It’s hard to LeBron on a top 10 if he continues to underperform
The fact he's not already there for you just shows how ignorant you are lmao
I don’t see how anyone with a brain can even exclude Curry from the top 10 currently. In my opinion if he wins another he’s in the conversation for a top 5 player of all time.
2nd best game of the season behind Davis. vs. Giannis. Loved it!
After the early season experiment with Wiseman, and Klay and Poole being off color, things are now back to what it was last season. with GP2 gone, Kuminga and Moody, along with Divincenzo needs to step up a notch, which they have done to varying degrees
GOAT basketball channel fr
Warriors had the Celtics and especially Tatum psychologically defeated by the end of the finals. No way Draymond and and the warriors was going to let them out of that psychological hole.
One thing really stood out, Warriors were ready for the C's. How they stopped their transition offense and destroyed Tatum's game. C's just didn't play like they did the whole season.
They'll bounce back tho. Tatum needs to step up
I told everybodyyyyy last year and this year that Klay's shot selection was awful (even showed stats that proved it) and everybody simply said he was bad and that wasnt the problem. Kinda nice hearing that basketball genius Ben Taylor and his crew thought the same lol
He also gets trigger happy when he makes make any shot sometimes. Like if he makes an open three, he will try shooting any shot available the next trip.
Yeah he kept trying to do the limp contested midrange shot last year too. I would rather have him catch and shoot rather than these shots and just keep the ball moving.
Klay averaged 22 on 44%fg and 40%3 after his first ten games of the season last year and averaged 22 on 50%fg and 46% from 3 in the first rounds taking those same shots it’s more then just shot selection
And idk what games you been watching klay has been taking tough shots while playing good
really? most people ive talked to knew about his bad shot selection
I think the warriors just dont care about regular season games unless its "personal"
Circle gets the square. They used to care about the regular season, once upon a time. Then they found out what winning 73 regular seasons games got you: becoming the go-to argument for people who want to make the case that Lebron is the GOAT. There are no rewards for regular season wins, the warriors haven't cared in a long time, unless it's personal.
0:21 WOOOOOOOW
Yesssss, new vid
I appreciate the low-key Marcus Smart 'booking' it pun.
6:25 again after the screen, Kuminga runs up to the paint tangling up another defender. I really hope they put Kuminga in more, as the NBA is really taking notice of him in the paint.
I feel like a video post on LeBron James' impact would be appreciated. Last I checked, the Lakers actually have a better offensive and defensive rating this year with LeBron off the court vs on the court, and in general age seems to be, from a distance, finally really catching up to him. Of course I don't know this for sure but I'd love to see a deep dive done on it.
@joceja23 Yeah that’s why his most complete basketball was played at the end of a 2018 season he played all 82 games of
Tiny sample size and they've played worse teams in the games LeBron missed.
@@mindzeye123123 Even so, it just feels like LeBron disrupts the Lakers offense moreso than before, every time I just see him jacking too many 3s when he's much more useful in the pick & roll or driving himself
Lebron is one of the most inefficient scorers in the league this year.
Or even a video on the adjustments he can make, because from my viewing it seems like his impact and efficiency are down in part because he needs to reduce his workload and correspondingly shift his shot selection. He's shooting from outside a lot, when he was never a sniper.
Games breakdown like these are sooo grate and healthy for basketball games
This thumbnail of Klay got me weak af! 😂 😂 😂 😂
The warriors and their individual players always show up when it comes play off time, so it doesn’t matter to me how they look in the regular season as long as they can make it to the playoffs, i’m confident in their abilities when it comes to the post season.
I think Steve Kerr played brilliant chess with that rookie coach of the Celtics. Terrific game planning. Boston wasn't able to make the necessary adjustments.
Warriors basketball was back last night. Consistency is key. There was a play where Lamb missed curry opened on the kick out 3. Kerr called time out and sat him for the rest of the game. I think once everyone gets on the same page warriors will be ok
I'm so happy for Klay
I would be curious to know the warriors' win-loss record and, more importantly, defensive efficiency in those games when Kuminga and DiVincenzo combine for 45 mintes or more. A similar type of question adding Wiggins to this mix.
Good defense is beautiful to watch.
You should make a similar video about the nets
2:35 'Kevon looney is in an "all out sprint"'
(Looney jogs tiredly)🤣
It was a replay of the finals, the way the Warriors limited Tatum forcing turnovers and tough shots.
Looks like Tatum didnt see a real defense this season till this game.
would be awesome if you can do a vid on the Nets
Very good points, but i think you only touched on the celtics odd choice of drop coverage. Its never worked for them yet they tried it. In addition, the celtics, stars and all, all looked like deer in headlights all game. I've been watching them all season and save for a few early games this season, this is the most lost they've looked. I think this game shows the high value of al horford defensively to the celtics and how much mazzula needs to adjust quicker.
Klay is rising. The rest of the Warriors better keep up.
4:08 Travel by Tatum. Wasn't called. Correct me boys if I'm wrong.
I want to see a game between them fully healthy. robert williams and horford are so important to the celtics but wiggins was also out. would love to see a finals rematch between them especially considering brogdon is such a great player (if he stays healthy).
I think that it's funny that this is their best defensive game just because they actually have to prove that they are actually truly the NBA Champions. Well done Warriors also are we not going to mention that they played a very strategic defensive game in the paint using the elevator method?
So you wanna tell me Klay is getting back to his defensive form AND Kuminga is also becoming this strong physical plus-wing defender? Them two plus Wiggins can lock up any offense in the playoffs. You can put those 3 up against the likes of Giannis, Khris and Jrue. Obviously Jaylen and Jayson too. Kawhi and PG. Guys of that caliber.
As a Warriors fan, this is aging quite poorly🥲
I think Griffin has been a solid bench big for the Celtics, and he can improve his decision making and system knowledge on the defensive end, but his foot speed and jump recovery are going to limit him there. The team needs to have Williams or Horford available, or they need to change their coverages.
Klay got that lightskin stare in the thumbnail😭💀
Personally, I think he fixed his follow through. After his injury I noticed he was cutting it really early. Recently he’s holding it through again, but I could be wrong 🤔
Give us the top 10 list for last season.
Rather than the defense being amazing, the Celtics just had stagnant offense with limited ball movement. Didn't watch the game but that's based on the clips that were shown on this video. Makes it easy on the defense when you don't force them to chase out to open shooters.
Go Klay, go Warriors 👏
Just got blown out by the Bucks...
you sound a little down and/or sick, i hope you can take a break and heal !
3:55 Tatum traveling to another country 😂
I love the Warriors. I hope they can win another, or at least go out honorably. I'm happy to see them play good basketball
Jason Tatum really needs to improve his strength. I rarely see taller star guards and forwards struggling against shorter players, since they can shoot above them or post them up. Especially in prior eras like Kobe, Penny, Jordan, Magic, even Mark Jackson and Gary Payton shoots over and posts up against smaller guards as if they were nothing.
Great analysis as usual but simple reason the Warriors won that game was that Tatum embarrassed himself and Klay had his best game of the season. Also unfortunately Blake can’t guard anyone who shoots
5:26 clearly offsides
There’s no offsides in basketball lmao
You've been watching too much World Cup.
Travel by Baldwin at the 50 second mark right after the tip off 🙈
I'm really liking DiVincenzo & Looney continues 2 improve
Respect to the warriors. Goddamn
I love Klay ❤️
Warriors will be one of the top 5 teams going into the playoffs but with a middle level seed they will have a tough time even making it to the finals
Klay Thompson is forsure the Xfactor he does everything you need on the Basketball court
0:17 BEAUTIFUL
Steph and Klay own Tatum and Brown. Embarrassing for the Jays getting outmatched AGAIN by legends 10 years older
As a Celtics fan, I wasn’t too worried about this game. My reaction to it was the same as their first loss to the Cavs when levert had 40. He has 40 like 2 times a year one just so happened to be against us. I love klay but with the type of shots he settles for and his lower shooting efficiency he’s just not the same player he once was, he catches fire some nights but in a 7 game series klay Thompson won’t be the guy beating you like he was against the thunder.
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