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A bit of a misleading title but still true. I've raced a few mustangs and Camaros and lost to every one of them. Even a stock SS the other night pulled several cars on me. I thought it would hold up better. Damn heavy boat. Time for a SuperCharger!
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your racing cars that are not even in the same class as our chargers...Weight is everything man...these a 4 door heavy cars that run in the 12's..what more could you ask for from a stock 4 door?
+Tee Jay McDade more power!
Lol ok ok...you got me there...but I did watch a stock 2016 scat run 11.9 for his best with just summer tires and lmi intake(I know..very little gain)...I know condition were probably PERFECT. But that gives you a good base.
+Tee Jay McDade yeah with good DA and good prep I could see that easily. My run with correct 0 DA would be a 12.3 and mine is heavier than a base model would be.
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Better tires and an intake means it's not stock when it ran the 11.9 . Stock means no mods at all fyi...
Evan Bozajian hints the reason I put "I know..very little gain" in there. And you can get these cars "stock" with summer tires and an intake
Can’t really get hung up on losing to a new SS. The 10 speed is at least as good as the 8 speed and the SS is 700-800 lbs lighter than the Charger. I’d rather take the Charger’s 4 door practicality over the slightly faster Camaro, but that’s just me.
+Tony The Truck Guy yeah me too. But to compete with the newer cars that are coming out the 392 just doesn’t have it anymore. It needs some mods lol. I’m 2015 it was a beast, now that it’s nearly 2018 it’s just meh
this is y i been hesitant on getting a scat pack or daytona. the chargers and challengers are just too heavy. for all that weight they need more hp. the daytona definitely needs upwards of 600hp to justify the daytona name. otherwise they'll just keep losing to pretty average cars like the q50 red sport 400
A red sport is not fast. It’s a heavy car too.
lol check TH-cam friend...you're talking to an SRT junkie...those red sports are surprisingly quick and nissan is known to underrate their engines. the red sports are gettin almost 400 rwhp. i wouldn't feel too comfortable racing one in a scat pack and that's sad to say considering the 8 speed 6.4L has dam near 500hp
I did research before I ran my mouth. The red sport is far slower than a stock Scatpack. I have no doubt that with tune only it could be quicker but stock vs stock the 392 is quicker.
www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2016-infiniti-q50s-30t-red-sport-400-test-review
Even if you get a hellcat there will always be someone faster than you, especially in the street racing capital man
+RatherBeRiding lol true dat
A challenger would still lose even if its a 2 door
not really, if he had a hellcat he'd have won those races against the camaro ss and the mustang at least. and this is why i have been hesitant on getting a scat pack. they cool to look at but they are big heavy cars so those 485 horses are nullified so you'll lose races to cars like the ones he mentioned + others like the q50 red sport 400 and other lighter cars with some power
I’m pretty sure I’d have no issue with a q50 400. Infact I know I’d easily smoke it. Maybe with a tune and stuff it might be close. I think it’s quicker than you are giving it credit for. The mustang I raced was full bolt on. I thought the Camaro was stock but maybe it had something. The 2018 mustang would be quicker.
Hqen2000 yea infinity don’t have a lot of torque but that’s why I think I’m gonna wait for the he’ll cats to continue to go down in price I got a 14 rt I would be kinda pissed if I paid another 15 or 20k for the car an still can’t beat a ss or a gt5.0 but I have fun I’m having fun in the rt I raced a scat from a 40 roll they are pretty fast tho 👍🏾
What you're probably ignoring is the fact that a camaro and a mustang driver are saying "WTF I can only pull two cars on a four door sedan?!?" There's a reason you're slower and not by much, you can drive the family to grandma's house on Christmas and take out 2015 pony cars along the way
Very true. I love the practicality of the car.
@ A youtuber has no name: 2 cars is kinda bad he got gapped, & Is an american muscle car not a car to go to grandmas house on christmas bro, The car is bad ass i like all mopar models they look mean as hell ! but overall they just to heavy man, Alot of of HP but too much weight !!
Yeah 2 cars is a lot. That’s so much that there isn’t really anything I could do as a driver to win. I took off in the correct gear BEFORE he did. He gave me the move and still grabbed 2 cars. If it was even it would be even worse.
yeah that sucks bro! Oh well your car still bad ass! 👍
Yea Right
Not sure why your having such a hard time. I have a 17 scat and I been kicking all kinds of ass!!
Try one of the new camaros. Only the very latest cars are quicker. I just happen to live in an area with them i gusss
maybe that's what it is.. I have not raced any new cars.. I think putting a blower on the scat will rally bring it to life though. Im interested to see how that turns out..
Yeah against everything stock (Camaro SS Mustang GT) earlier than 2017-2018 we’ve got them covered. But the latest ones with the 10 speed and the mustang with more power we are behind
Hqen2000 it's so crazy to me because of the actual coast of this car and having just about or over 500 at the crank you would think they would have been developing a new version of the scat for 2019 or 2020
I have a 2004 stage 2 Dodge SRT4 and I beat the 392 scatpacks all day long.
"Sad" that u lose to a 10 speed Camaro who's lighter? You're supposed to lose that race
Remember you do have the covience of 4 doors. Maybe 100 shot of nitro might get you where you want. Should trade for Hellcat. You don't want to supercharge with out beefing up the internals.
Unfortunately not surprised. Camaro 3760 weight 455HP . Charger 4350 weight 485HP. 30HP it's not enough to make up for the week difference. Plus that 10speed is crazy fast I hear.
+Fordsuperduty76 yeah exactly. It didn’t pull super hard on me but it was a solid 2 cars by 130 and he gave me the jump which was probably worth a car length or more. Wouldn’t take a whole lot to keep up, but then I’m keeping up with a bone stock Camaro and that’s it.
Hqen2000 plus I think Camaros have better stock tires then Chargers so they have better traction. That's one of the first things I did with my Scat Pack I got better wider tires. It helped so much.
+Fordsuperduty76 first thing for me too. I have 315 DWS06s in the rear. But these were all roll races (popular here in Houston). I’d actually do a lot better in a dig race vs them.
Hqen2000 I have 305s all around. That sucks I don't like Role Racing that's what all the young kids want to do here in Albuquerque. So me and a bunch of my friends we get together and have regular drag racing. And most kids around here will try to cheat to win a race or will only race for money
Camaros don't have 10 speeds... That's just the ZL1.... That SS was the 8 speed used in the Vette. Dude man come on your cars legit, those SS Camaros are very fast and your 4 door barely lost. Same with the Stangs... Forged internals for the most part on those 5.0's so they get aggressive tuning and get fast as hell. Again your stock 4 door is hanging with them.... LEGIT! Nice ride!
It's a heavy boat!! No disrespect but they are heavyyyyyy
jaime carrasco , new mustangs aree heavy too
True. I loved my 2011 Significantly lighter than the 2015+ with pretty much the same drivetrain.
Hqen2000 , yeah I had a 2012 and installed an eibach pro kit suspension and some bolt ons and had more fun in that car than anything I've ever driven. Now I'm driving a '17 charger scatpack and looking for some legit mods so I don't get smoked by the new mustangs too.
Boat that does a 12.5 1/4 mile
DevPack , 12.21 for me!!! :)
I just got the 2017 Camaro SS 8spped auto coming from a SLK55 AMG. Very happy with the car handles like a dream way faster than my old AMG.
Yeah the camaros are really nice. Quick
I wouldn't really compare a Charger to a Mustang or Camaro....
+Mopar And More it was faster than them till just recently. At least the mustang. I don’t think I’d have an issue taking a 2017 GT on a dig or roll. I had a 11 gt (first year of the coyote) and stock no way it would compete, the 2015+ have a little tiny bit more power and a lot more weight. Meaning they’re slower than the 11-14s were. However with just a tune and intake (mustangs pick up big power with just those) it would probably be slightly quicker or at least super close. But both the 18 mustang and Camaro would mop floor with a Scatpack as was demonstrated with me (the Camaro in my case but the mustang is just as fast)
A quick and easy fix could be a gear swap. I had an 03’ Mach 1 and when I threw 4.10’s in it felt like a totally different car.
“I think the superchargeris a bit more reliable.” Famous last words.
I had a 392 with a tune and I didn’t lose one race in that guy. Camaro a bunch of mustangs, G35s I mean you name it I beat them. Those paddle shifters were the key for me.
Don't get caught, they will take your car and license.
I go to the track and best camaro SS and mustangs all day long with a bone stock scatpack somethings a miss here....
From someone who did full bolt on then heads cam stall converter on a c6 vette, go with the supercharger. I could have done two SC installs on my car with what I spent for all the parts, tuning, etc.
Boltons and head cam don’t pick up as much power on a 6.4 as they do on the LS motors. You will gain much more power with a low boost(6psi) blower build and save money in the long run. Plus you will be getting better mpg’s than a heads cam build. I’m leaving my 16 scat challenger stock other than its pcp catch can, hellcat air box and a muffler delete.
Exactly. Finally someone who gets it. Heads and cams would cost just as much if not more be less reversible and would net less power. I’d lose to a stock hellcat still. Whether or not it would be a less reliable setup remains to be seen but everyone I’ve talked to with an actual supercharge says it’s fine. People who just read stuff online says it’ll blow up... thanks for the info. Reading all the comments I feel like I’m going crazy sometimes.
Losing by 2 cars to a lighter more powerful car is damn good. Be proud of that. The 392 Charger stock is between a new Mustang GT and a Camaro SS. That’s just the way it is.
Yeah. The car is great I just want to be able to compete with the latest. At least with them stock.
Hate to be a troll but I've raced tons of camaros and mustags and have yet to lose with a stock Daytona 392. Maybe you can't drive bro
Is it more likely that I can’t drive an automatic car or that I’m racing faster cars than you?
Hqen2000 idk dude you said those cars were stock so.....
No only the new Camaro 8sp appeared to be stock and those are at least as fast as our cars probably a bit faster. The rest heads and cam or full bolt on
Hqen2000 well that's not fair. I'm sure you would have won no issue otherwise
True. But keep in mind the 2018 Mustang has nearly as much power and is a ton lighter. I’m sure the Camaro will be beefed up too, with a 10 speed it would be quicker. So the 2018+ cars will be quicker
Everyone makes it sound like its easy to get a Hellcat or trade in for one. I owned a 2016 Challenger Scat 6 MT, and I considered a hellcat. First off, finding a hellcat new for $60k is very hard to find. Most sell for sticker ($68-72k). That is a lot of f$#king money. Trading in is not an option because I found out how fast challengers and chargers depreciate which really depressed me. So for regular people to get a hellcat that live on there own and not with mommy and daddy and have real world expenses, its very hard. The depreciation is steep on most dodges sans the Demon (when it comes out). Keep the Scat, enjoy it, as its a great car. The hellcat has shaky reliability also. It burns at least 1 qt of oil every 3k miles. Doesn't seem right to me. You are suppose to check the oil and add to it if necessary every 1k miles...Wtf...lol. I instead took the depreciation hit and got a 2017 BMW M2 as it is much more rare car and handles like a champ and will hold good resale. Enjoy your scat, make it your own, and don't dwell on past decisions. Hellcat price and ownership is not worth it. Just my 2 cents. Take care bro!
There are no worse depreciating cars than BMWs, just saying. lol
I trade my Charger/Challenger every two years and it doesn't lose too much (from what I paid for it). I traded my Challenger (the one in the pic) for $28k, paid $34,500 for it 2 years prior. Traded the 2013 Charger before it for $24,000 paid $30k for that 2 years prior (and it needed 4 tires)
That’s not bad at all. People will say how dumb it is to pay that depreciation. But it’s so nice having a nice new car every few years. Even if it cost money. Not really as big of a deal as people make it out to be.
The way I look at it, is that if you're gonna own a car out of warranty (3 years) you're probably gonna spend some money repairing it. So I'd rather keep it in warranty and put the repair money towards the next new car, lol. All depends on the deal you get though, paying sticker for a car is gonna cost you more on the trade too. I've found that the Challengers/Chargers hold their value pretty well actually. Lots of 1 year used models going for the same price as you can get an on the lot new one for. If I were buying a BMW though I'd definitely buy 1 year used.
The money you will spend to procharge then run low boost won’t be worth it. Spray a 150shot with a tune and tire. Much better option
Trade it for the hellcat..
You are in H-Town a stock 392 is not going to get it. Secondly, Mopars are comfortable, spacious, and powerful. If you want overall performance number 1 on your list, the new mustang or camaro is a better bet. I love my Hellcats, and they have done me well in racing, but I also know where I am located 650 to the wheels will do me fine for the most part.
Don't feel bad charger 392 guy just think
of all the Hellcat buyers since 2015 that watched that staged Richard Rawlins commercial that showed him running 10-9 at the track with a so-called bone stock Hellcat and then ran out and got one and couldn't do no better than 11-5 or slower you live in a street racing Mecca ASSWHOOPINGS are past out daily! choose your mods wisely!
if he could do no better than 11.5 y would u say "so called" bone stock? if it were modded, i'd imagine he'd do better than 11.5
SRT B5 has a scat pack and he has headers a Cam. Last time he dynoed the car with just headers, he made 473 WHP. And he hasn’t dynoed it ever since the Cam that he got. I think he’s for sure hitting 500+WHP. And trust me, you can get out so much power out of those hemis.
+Boost Log but that probably cost around 5k+ for everything with just a $7,200 supercharger I can make 590-600.
Hqen2000 Not even going to lie, you’re right about that but you would have to spend more money not only on the blower because 6.4’s are known to blow up with anything just than 6 pounds of boost. You would have to buy new forged internals and who knows how much that would cost lol. It’s all up to you but I support you build brother!
+Boost Log thanks for your help. But even at 6 psi (what I plan on running) it’ll be 600whp wouldn’t that be safe? I don’t mind the extra 2k or so for a better value in power. I do realize that if I want to go past the 6psi I’ll need to address the internals. With just drop in pistons it can hold 800whp easily from what I understand. I don’t know the cost of the install on the pistons though.
Hqen2000 go for it man. I’m still super interested on this build haha. Yeah you’re right. Hopefully all goes well with the build man
+Boost Log thanks man. I’ll see if I can get someone local help me with the install. Or I can get it installed at a shop but that’ll be an extra 2k+ I’m just not sure if I wanna spend 9k at once like that.
Youll 100% lose your warranty with a supercharger but cost wise its a lot more effective than a hellcat. Ur talking a 45k car plus 7k supercharger versus a 70k car. Its new and id bargain that ur car will be fine without a warranty
The main problem is that the Chargers and Challengers are so heavy.
They used to have the most power too. Now everyone else is catching up.
You have quite a bit of Horse Power in that car and you've obviously done some Mods. So what is holding you back from leaving equally equipped cars in your rear view mirror? Here's just a thought, find a guy who rebuilds race transmissions and see if he could recommend a shift kit to complement your mods a little better. It could be your shift durations are a bit too long before the car will shift into the next gear. Long shift duration build heat which in turn robs power. Look into that see if you have some room for improvement.
One thing i respect about you is your candid honesty. As everyone stated the car is too heavy. I had 2 chargers in the past and kept losing to M3, Mustangs, Camaros, Twin Turbo Z, Pontiac GTO, Corvettes. I purchased a SRT, put on bolt ons, won a few roll races but still kept losing to the same cars, I lost more than I won. The Hellcat is out of reach for a lot of people but then again the hellcat would lose to 10 speed ZL1 and ZL1 1LE, Z06, ZR1, GTR, AMG GT R, Porsche GT3 and Turbo. You would win in the Hellcat more than you lose that's for sure. Bolt ons and cams is a waste of time and money on the scatpack I promise you. Save n trade up for the Hellcat. I'm going after the new GT 500 or the ZL1 10 speed auto. next year.
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Unfortunately I can’t go to one of those 2 door cars I have kids and need back seats. I’m 6’3” so I need a car that keeps the back seats usable. That’s why I sold my 440whp 2011 coyote mustang GT. It was for sure quicker than my Scatpack. Trapped at 119
Hqen2000 Yea I kinda figured you have to stay with a four door because your size and possible family man that's why I suggested saving n trading down the road for the Hellcat. I promise you, bolt ons will leave u regretting wasting your money cause the power to money exchange isn't worth it. I wound up selling my car after alllll the money i had put into it. You have a nice car , keep it until you can get the hellcat.
A supercharger should be fairly safe and it’ll give me the power of a hellcat
Hqen2000 Yes that's true. However, depends on how much you pay for the supercharger, installation, suspension upgrade to go with added weight and power, and you don't have to change pistons and other internals . The supercharger overall i agree if its not too costly.
The supercharger just adds a little weight, I wouldn’t need to upgrade the suspension
I saw a comment below witch is what I was going to say about the supper charger...they blow up the 6.4 . I herd alot of them! What I'm thinking of doing is a shot of nitrous and bigger injectors and it wouldn't be more than a couple of grand and your picking up around 150 to 200 hp... another thing cheep is muffler delete. It don't give power but sounds pretty good for not that much cash. But I think you did that already. I hope this helps!
Why did you get a 4400 pound car. For 45k you could have got a c7 stingray A8 and put a procharger on. You would have a mid 10s car. You put boost on that 392 and you have a 11.3 car and have to worry about bending a rod.
Do NOT supercharge it without forging the internals first. 392s are notorious for blowing up on stock internals
+CDT Diaz it seems like plenty of people run them fine as long as the boost levels are low.
Don’t listen to these people; as long as you keep it below 8psi, you’re good!!
+Andrew McLaren that’s what I’ve always read. I’m looking for 6-7psi nothing crazy
+Andrew McLaren plus lots of people do high boost, headers, etc. I just want to keep the stock cats and stuff to keep the power levels in check. 650+ to the flywheel is plenty. And defiantly not a roots blower which causes more stress all the time. The centrifugal has to build like a turbo so the car isn’t even in boost at the low rpms.
I hope you make your Charger faster!
I have a solution! Stop street racing! Save that stuff for the track. The track is a controlled environment, and you don't have to worry about killing an innocent person or yourself Just saying :)
I’m sorry but ima put it out there dodge cars are not for roll racing they are for strip racing if you want to race..... I’ve never lost to a SS or a 5.0 and I have a 14 SRT charger... but for some reason when I roll race other competitors tend to push further.... but I’ve never lost on the strip.... and then also too idk what it is but you have a scatpack and no scatpack has ever beaten me either... which is weird they have the same engine but I’m guessing it’s tuned different. I just beat a 2017 scatpack challenger at the strip a couple weeks ago and we ran like 5x ... so I think it has to do that you have a scatpack also....
What did you run at the track? I did a 12.6. But I could see the car running significant quicker with better conditions
Hqen2000 yeah weather is a big difference.... but I run low 12’s .1/.2
Plus I don’t know how much weight all the extra options adds. Could be a couple 100 lbs.
You bought the wrong car dude. Camaro is probably 800-900 ibs lighter than ur Charger. If you’re looking to take on smaller cars while keeping your vehicle stock, then you bought the wrong car. Beauty of the Charger is its versatility.
I put a blower on it and it’s fast now. :)
Don't know what's up, but I've got a 16 scat pack challenger, and I have NO problems eating both SS's and 5.0s from a roll. You have a manual or auto? if auto, sometimes it skips gears, I got a tazer and I don't skip anymore I even beat a C5 vette.
Use your manual shifter go down in gear and grab the extra torque which I think is about 35 more then the SS and 50 more than the GTs. SS and GT350s have a weight advantage but Dodge have a torque advantage at speed. No tuning or modifications needed.
when you say manual shifter do you mean the plus and minus symbols that's near the "drive" transmission?
Yes. Then downshift into the correct gear, after I take off I put it back in auto. I don’t know why everyone assumes I don’t know how to race. I’m in Houston there are tons of fast cars around.
Just get a tune...the new SS is a little faster than the charger but a tune should make up the difference.. you should kill mustangs stock..I never lost to one...allot of Camaros and 5.0 aren't stock...owners lie..
+Hemi Fire yeah a stock pre 2018 GT should be no problem. I raced one with full bolt on and lost but that’s to be expected. The new Camaro is quick though. A manual one id probably beat but the newest 10 speed one is qhick
Hqen2000...check out this video...Charger is tuned and gaps a new camaro...
th-cam.com/video/Nn8CsF9uZCM/w-d-xo.html
i probably beat your 392 with my 2018 v6 camaro bone stock🤣🤣🤣🤣.just kidding...
12.60? My 2015 Challenger Scat pack when it was bone stock ran 12.10 all day at the track
Air (DA), tires, track, weight, etc. list out your variables then we can compare numbers
It’s Houston, Tx. No one rolls stock, there’s a lot of ppl with more than 1,000hp. Start making your charger faster.
I don’t have the funding to roll with the big dogs.
Hqen2000 I understand man but don’t blame the charger for being slow. A lot ppl here in Houston are about speed. I have a friend with a 2013 300 c srt8 pushing 1000hp and still looses to other guys; the big dogs.
Don't waste your money on exhaust or driveshaft, you don't need it, go with the whipple 2.9l at 8lbs of boost! That will put you at 600-630 at the rear wheels with perfect drivability. Trust me I had one of the first whipple powered scat packs! I can tell you anything you need to know about the build!
Did you do the install yourself? How long have you had it on? Any issues? How loud is the supercharger
It’s heavy fast.. try racing cars similar to yours/weight wise and you’ll see how they compare. SS and GT’s are lighter and will be faster than you. You own an awesome car no doubt!
Yeah.. I just need more power. I wonder if they’ll redesign soon with more power... this model only came out in 2015 so I’m guessing we have 2019 or 2020 before we get a new model
Agree with Tony the Truck Guy. Two different cars (Camaro & Charger). Both are quick, the Charger is more practical but Chevy did a really good job with the 16's and up Camaros. I had an old Mustang that it did a lot of stuff to (cam, heads, intake, exhaust, etc.). Got faster but spent as much (maybe more) than a simple blower and not as fast. Swore I would never do that again. Go for the blower and call it a deal
Thanks! I did. That’s what makes the most sense
Don’t matter if you win or lose! I’m getting a 2019 Charger Scat Pack and I’m going to enjoy it for what it is. I’m not going to try to race people and put thousands upon thousands of dollars in my car. No matter what you do to your car there’s always somebody that’s going to beat you, lol. Just enjoy your car the way it is :)
You win some, you lose some!
Just so you know the SS doesn't come with the 10 speed, that would be the ZL1.
David Valentin just what I was thinking lol
Uhh yea it does.
Turtle Time the 2019 only
Before you start working on the motor, get a new wheel set up and see how that works for you. Dodge is notorious for putting sorry ass skinny ass tires and wheels that dont resonate well with the car's power. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't the scat pack come with 255s or something like that? I believe with the stock wheels you can get as big as 275 and that's still not something that resonates well with the power of these cars. Cant exactly punch it like the car was meant to be punched if it cant hug that asphalt as best it can.
You shouldn’t lose to any 5.0’s besides the 2018’s. That shouldn’t happen, and you also shouldn’t lose to any Camaro SS’ , only the 2016 +. Makes me question if you’re doing something wrong? Aside from all those, you shouldn’t lose stock for stock
Doing nothing wrong. I downshifted prior to going, then put it in auto, all in sport mode. The Mustang I raced was full bolt on. The 2016+ Camaro was an automatic, I think it was stock but it could have been modified. There was also a Pre 2016 Camaro I raced with heads and cams and I lost too but not by a whole lot. None of these cars are walking me hardcore but I'm losing for sure. I've been street racing for 15 years or so. I know how to race and drive.
I also lost to a Neon SRT4 the other day lol. Clearly it was big turbo and such, it pulled pretty good I was impressed. I thought I'd walk him.
I have a 16 Scatpack , have a mild cam , longtube headers , high flow cats , ported intake and tb , custom tune . Car made 507whp and 490 lbs of torque . If you wanna do blower do internals first .
+Junior Cabanillas 6psi would only be 590whp or so
Dude! Who cares if you lose, it’s an iconic SEDAN! Seats 5 people comfortably AND all that weight makes it ride on clouds man, the most compfortable ride hands down among the other two. The camaro and especially mustang are so much lighter and when it comes to racing, it’s all about power to weight bro. Time for a higher flowing exhaust and higher flowing intake system for the M1 Abrams 👍
Lol I ended up putting a procharger on it
At this moment there is no such thing as a Camaro ss 10 speed, Was it a ZL1?
If you could I would suggest the Hellcat since it's already supercharged. If you ever need more power add pulley and tune.
So im curious on what hp you see in the performance pages when you hit it from a roll?
Like when i raced a bmw i saw 496 hp
Stock 17 392 Daytona
It seems to depend on the temp. I did it when it was super cold like 30 degrees and it showed 500 for a moment but usually it’s more like 470 because it typically hot and humid
"Camaro ss" are 8 speed which are slower shifting, you said 10spd, the ZL1 camaro is a 10spd only
Get the TAZER and unlock the SRT Pages with Track mode and rerun them. Only costs $250. Night and day difference. The shifts are ridiculous harder and faster and you make power past the 6k cutoff where the “Sport” mode cuts you out at. Then, go from there. Tazer made a difference in me losing and winning some runs, and I’m in the Houston area too. And to really get these things moving, you just have to face it unlock the PCM and go from there. Trust me. And no, the 8HP70 in our cars is different from the 8HP90 in the Hellkitty. Past 500-600 hp in these things, it gets iffy. And there hasn’t really been any built HP70s out with high high hp Scats and 392s because they’re still new to the game and the Vendors who rebuild them are still tryna prove themselves. That’s gonna be the deciding factor. But a lot of that is in the tune as well. And, if you’re gonna do a blower, just save yourself the headache and get everything (dropin pistons, etc etc) to already be forged and ready for whatever levels at boost you throw at it. Last thing you wanna do is do all that work just to have to tare it apart due to a blown piston. Cuz let’s face it, boost is addicting and you WILL want more than just that little 6-7 PSI. D1X Procharger all day and let it eat!
+DeAndrae Cloud I thought we had the HP90 also.. damn you are making me question the supercharger being a good idea. I really do plan on just keeping it at low boost (6-7). I’ve dealt with building a car to insane levels for no reason before I won’t do that again.
+DeAndrae Cloud out HP70 is designed to hold 700tq that should be plenty for a low boost Procharger. It’ll probably only make 550 torque or something like that
Hqen2000 man, after 600ish, it starts slipping. I know what it’s “supposed” to be rated at, but two of my buddy’s (one with a D1SC and one with a heads/cam/Nitrous Scats) are already running into the limits on the HP70. It was never designed for high hp/tq applications like the HP90 was. But, as long as your tune is safe and your tuner (whomever you choose) doesn’t start messing with the Torque Management in the 8speed, you should be fine.
+DeAndrae Cloud I wanted to go with the canned tune from Procharger for that very reason. I’m looking for mild. The car will be plenty fun with just 600whp range. Don’t need more don’t need to look to make record runs. It’ll just be almost like a stock hellcat which is plenty
About 10k for whipple, install and tune and another 15k when I went forged short block, heads and cam. Was making 744hp and 721tq on 13lbs, still had another 150 left in it if I went up on boost but traded it on a hellcat, got a deal I couldn't pass up
Hmm... I've raced a few 6th gen Camaros and I can count the ones I've lost to on one hand against them on a roll. Won more than I've lost for sure. Any mods done to yours at all? Any little things?
100% bone stock.
I have a wicker bill. Lol that jus slows me down but not enough to lose races
The automatic is quicker. A manual should be really damn close. I’ve only raced the auto ones though.
Hqen2000 that's crazy by 2 cars? I'm 100% stock too (if you don't count the tazer) and haven't had an SS walk my by 2 cars, the ones I've lost to are literally by half a car or so up to about 130. Crazy. I guess even tho Dodge tries to make their engines as cookie cutter as possible some are a little bit different. I have a buddy that runs low 12s in a 1/4 mile on stock tires even on one of the worst prepped tracks in California.
Weight is probably a factor too. I have every option except the dynamics. I’m sure it’s a couple hundred pounds over the base model. Plus I had car seats, crap in the trunk. I need a supercharger to haul my shit around and sill go fast lol.
Driver's mod. I gap the Mustangs and Camaros. Dont use your paddle shifters. Your A8 auto is all you need to beat the competition
my '99 z28 eats hellcats alive 👋
I always beat scatpack in my n54 135i. But I’m still looking into trading into one of these yellow chargers . Damn kids and their stupid friends . I need the 4 doors these days .
For a few years now 392 has been crushing Fords and Chevys we all knew it was coming when Ford and GM said enough is enough. We're getting our butts handed to us by a 4 door sedan......im not surprised 2019 SS an mustang is Gapping the 392.
Had Arrington performance install and tune it, has nice whine not to loud no issues whatsoever at 8lbs of boost, when I forged the bottom end, heads and cam and went to 13lbs of boost trans wasn't happy at times
How long did you run it with 8 psi? Any issues?
THE NEW CHARGERS ARE EVEN HEAVIER THAN THE 2012 VERSION SO U NEED MORE HORSE POWER TO MAKE UP FOR THE WEIGHT. THE SCATT PACK DONT PUT OUT ENOUGH POWER GOTTA GET THE HELLCAT
Weight is your problem.... 4,400lbs is a solid 1000lbs heavier than WRX and some 6-700 more than Camaro SS.
+rstang281 WRX has like zero power unless it’s seriously built so those are no issue. But yeah he SS just had slightly less power and a lot less weight so huge difference there.
Yea it's the weight. It's not worth sticking a supercharger in there man. You void warranty. Plus... you'll prolly spin those tires even more. It's just all about the weight... I mean that car is HUGE. The Camaro and Stang are lighter. You just need to research power to weight ratios. I've seen ecoboosts with the lighter engine beat insane cars with some sick mods done to it. Everyone looked shocked.
+alphazoom II I need a big heavy 4dr I’ve got a family.
Id get it professionally installed dude. To me its just a “peice of mind” thing to know a professional did it right. Im not exactly sure that a blower will fix the issue though. Good luck with it man!
+Justin an extra 200hp would be a lot of extra power I’m pretty sure I’d be happy with it for a while a least lol.
dude your car is fast. Stop racing cars that are much lighter. long tubes hellcat airbox Drags tune will wake this car up. DON'T supercharge the 392 they don't like boost unless you lower the compression and change the bottom end.
keep in mind it depends what gear youre downshifting to. Downshifting is everything
1st 0-35
2nd 35-55
3rd 55-94
4th 94-125
if youre roll racing 35mph downshift to 2nd. if youre doing 40 stay in second or downshift to 2nd from 3rd.
ive raced a new camaro ss and stuck next to him fender to fender. dropped to third gear on a 60 roll, once 4th gear kicked in i started to freather away and he let go of the gas to not say i beat him lol i have some videos on my channel. raced a full bolt on 15 mustang who couldnt believe i was stock. he beat me on a roll but i beat him from a dig. alos raced a stock 2016 gt fully stock and beat him by a fender on third doing a 60. good luck on your build and hope everything works out
Love your channel just subscribed look at it often good job on it man.
Thank you! Much appreciated
What are your tires and wheel ratio?
Tires are DWS06, ratio?
Hqen2000 Goodyear Eagle F1s in the rear with the 245s in front. Need to replace front tires for sure, just need the right pair. I haven't changed the stock wheels or anything.
The front is 275 rear 315
Hqen2000 totally just re read what I commented and realized I asked you a question haha. What tires are on your ride though?
Continental DWS06 they are a performance all season
Nobody ever races my Challenger r/t but there aren’t many mustangs or camaros in the area. I think my r/t is plenty fast. The scat packs are crazy fast. I would just enjoy it and stop racing people unless you are going to go to the drag strip.
You should put boost on it maybe turbos or Vortech Supercharger I put a supercharger on my 97 Cobra it was a Vortech V2 it only cost me 800 bucks to have it installed by a professional they don't charge per hour they just charge one big flat rate mine took about 12 hours 1500 to $2,000 that's a lot of money
No blower bottom end wont take it. If u do it urself be careful. Ok. Alot of work
Sorry too late. The car has a blower on it now.
2018 STILL? STAGE 2 WITH 33 MPG on The highway?
+GR8GUY54 ?
You should have just waited a little longer and spent the extra 10 on a cat
Build the accord bro! they'll never see it coming lol
+Eden RN | エデン haha that accord would have to be a fully built racecar to even compete with my stock Scatpack.
Hqen add drifting wheels and a drifting seat also a sick JDM spoiler on it xD
For the accord
+Adventador Revs Gaming then I can go drift it lol
Perfect! :) and you should show up to a car meet and drift in the parking lot it would be very funny
I have a 6th gen ss and there is no 10 speed model yet. It’s a 8 speed. Only ZL1 has 10 speed.
U need track mode. Get an automotive tazer. It shifts harddd and quicker. I love it
The heavy weight plus skinny rear tires doesn't help. 305s is a good start.
I have 315s in the rear. But these are roll races I did not dig so the traction wasn’t a factor. Look at the earlier videos about the tires and the drag strip.
Ah, the younger days when this seemed important.
Was you using the paddle shifters makes a difference in racing
It doesn’t make a difference. Just increases the chances you’ll shift too low or high. As long as it’s in sport it shifts it perfect.
Hey bro , what ratio is your rear differential? I put the 3.92 getrag in my Charger & wow what a difference.. 2.82 to 3.92 makes if feel like an entirely different car ... I’m just saying!! Don’t get disappointed with your Charger you just need some new mods & they’ll be seeing your taillights
NA I think it would help a lot but with big power I think it’ll just spin worse. Unless I’ve got some huge traction. I’m on the standard gears
Did you run it before and after? Curious about the times
I dont have a time slip after the 1 piece dss carbon fiber driveshaft & rear diff mod , 2008 5.7 charger r/t pre eagle …. but i was running 11.2 on H/C/I eagle intake with adapters , fastman oversized true ported tb, hhp stage 2 268 cam ,stage 3 hhp heads milled .030 with a 3200 fti pro billet stall converter & kooks lts, non catted mids & slp lm1 cat back & 10.6-10.8 on a 125 shot .. I do have 315 nitto nt05’s & sometimes spin too much …. but for the most part the rear diff made me actually feel the biggest difference of everything I’ve done to this point …now even without the spray I’m smoking full bolt on ss camaro’s & 5.0 stangs & can give my friends stock hellcat challenger a run 0-120 then he catches me on the big end ... they do make a 3.73 getrag also if your worried about traction... but big fat drag radials are the solution!
@@natefranskousky5452 All that for an 11.2? There are HCI only 4th gens that run 10 sec times. Scatpack owners seem as dumb as they come lmao.
@@night7185 mine is a 2008 charger 5.7 pre eagle non vvt….11.2 n/a & 10.6 spray is before the 3.92 getrag & 1 piece driveshaft…. After the rear ended swap it spins like crazy off the line …Guess I didn’t type that correctly so I edited my original post .. I got a d1 pro charger with forged mmx drop ins now and have to run VP ms109 fuel .. with slicks on 17 mustang rear wheels I can take my friends hellcat chally roll racing consistently now to 145 @ 6800 rpm then I run out of gear, I can no longer race from a dig as traction is an issue… I could probably use a 3.55 or higher rear gear now maybe even the 3.06
These 392 have weak pistons. Go with long tubes Cam and a tune and you will be very surprised how fast your car will be
Your 4250 lbs and your built better to run 1/4 mile at a drag strip. I've got a scat pack challenger rt m6 and I have no problem beating stock mustangs and stock Camaros. They have a quicker take off but my weight is only 4082 lbs
That’s significantly lighter than my car. It’s actually 4500 lbs. 😳
Hqen2000 oh snap man no wonder your losing some of the races. I did my homework before I got my scat cause there are so many different ones. All car critics stated and dealers I went to stated the one you want if your going to a track or racing would be the r/t challenger scat pack it's the lightest of the bunch and it does have the 245 all the way around but I out 275 on mine hooks better once broken in off the new rubber. I'm not that much heavier than a Stang or Camaro so most times with me having more power I can catch up if they have a quicker take off.
Yeah I have a fully loaded Charger scat. It’s way heavy. I’m picking it up today with a procharger on it.
it doesnt need a blower, a good driver would do the job. Keep practicing
Also I am in the same boat of not being able to choose what to do mod wise.
I raced a stock c7 corvette from a dig to 110 several times in my stock Charger scat with plenty of wheel spin and he only got about 1-2 car lengths. That’s pretty damn good for a 4dr sedan.
Yeah pretty good. Was the Vette auto or manual?
Hqen2000 automatic
Nice. Not bad
Get you a good tune, cai, and some drag radials to start. How do you shift the car? With paddles or just smashing the gas?
I downshift initially to make sure I’m leaving in the right gear then I put it in auto
I think we do it the same, I leave the lever on drive and hit the paddle shifter to the gear I want typically 2nd and go. The transmission will shift on its own.
Yeah shifting it manually past that doesn’t seem efficient.
I don’t know why you care so much and it’s far from slow. I had a 16’SS with the A8 and it totally felt slower than my A8 scatpack sotp at wot. If all you care about is winning, get a coyote stang and throw a blower on it. There will always be something faster regardless.
Now I do have a challenger SP and have beaten my friends srt 392 charger from a roll by about a car, 60-120ish roll(in Mexico); maybe because challenger is a bit lighter.
I'd expect the camaro to feel faster... But then again it does have less power. I think the biggest problem with my SP is that it's 4600lbs without me in it. I put a blower on it so it's way better now.
4600lbs without you sounds crazy high. Not exactly light lol but my challenger SP weights 4235lbs without me and nearly a full tank of gas according to a local CAT scale. Go test drive a camaro to see what I'm saying, the chassis is so good in that thing, i think it sucks up some of the sensation. I'm saying you can feel the torque more (sotp)with the 392 when comparing gear to gear. The lt1 has more "pop" in the mid-range but falls off more up top and lazier feeling from down low; sensation of acceleration however, they're similar. I'm thinking the SS you raced was tuned if you had the hit and were pulled by two cars as from a roll they really are much closer from my experience but who knows, anything can happen on the street.
Something doesn't seem right as 4600 is the curbweight of a Hellcat.
The charger scatpack A8 with full tank of gas but without the SC should be around 4400lbs. The Challenger SP is about 150lbs less than that.
See the following and look under Weights, Capacities & Trailer Towing when you get a chance:
www.new-cars.com/2016/dodge/specs/charger.html
131 is slow bro, sell the Charger while the value is still somewhat high and save your money. The 392 Charger will be too heavy and never keep up with the newer cars.
This car is more suited for 0 to 110 mph, you need M/t drag radials, and race from a dead stop.. you will get some wins this way.
+Rob Wwhit yeah it’s more of a dig car. In he video where I took it to the track I noticed the trap was slow 12.6@108
You're comparing 2 door muscle cars to a 4 door sedan with a muscle car badge...
Your car weight with your weight your at at least 4450lbs. Your at 500hp now. Got a chance to Dyno mine on purchase my scat was at 505 hp with the hell cat intake and 465 and 470 to the rears
Trade it in.
Get the Hellcat.
+Stainlessfights4u ehhh.. I thought about that, but if you go back to my video about the cost I paid 40k for this car. The cheapest I could find a hellcat was 59k and that was with a lot less options. So with options I’m looking at like a 25-30k difference between this car and a hellcat. If I’m just gonna mod the hellcat too and fuck my warranty I’m better off with this option because I’m sure I’d mod the hellcat too. Even after a supercharger I’m going to be nearly 20k in the green plus the hellcat Insurance was a lot higher
Hqen2000 I think Riley from RP Productions (TH-cam channel) found brand new 16 and 17 Hellcats that have major discounts (-$15000 to -$10000) somewhere in Texas.
+Pitties, a WRX and More yeah he paid 58 which is still 18k more than I paid for a car with more options. Plus it’s harder to find a charger discounted. They discount the challengers more. But yeah RP prod lives out here in h town
Hqen2000 How much is your happiness worth? The disappoint you feel will be hard to rationalize away. On money: Money is just a representation of your worth, ability, and sacrifice. I'm sure you can improve upon one those attributes maybe two or all three...
20k more for a hellcat and insurance is literally double that of a scat pack it’s really hard to justify one for 200hp more of power you can’t put down under 60mph anyways
Weight means alot big man stop beating your ego up on it. The new mustang auto isn't necessarily faster it's only at 460hp no more than 475hp but they have a quick take off is all
Whaats up my friend👊.man you have a serious machine.i have been following you for a min now commenting on a lot of your blogs.but I own the slowest pos on the face of this earth I loose to Chevy single cab 6.2gas trucks no forced induction.my 2016 subi sti is a worthless street racer or on the freeway.i get everyone off the line then I hit 3rd and get passed damn near 75% of the time.because I don’t care anymore about my car I have even been WOT shifting and still loosing.atleast your car runs high 12s😎stock.i enjoy your great vids👍
+mosnin 7.62x54 lol very true... it’s not slow slow... it just sucks losing every race. There are lots of modded cars out here in Houston. But even the newest cars can get me stock.
there is the pro-charger, its 6k and adds 180+ hp. there are a few models on mopar performance site. great thing is it does NOT void warranty. let dealer install.
Show me..
Im curious as well
Go to a performance shop and get a tuned big difference you feel brotha
There goes the warranty. Do a supercharger if you have the money for possible future drivetrain repairs. I'd harden the drivetrain and strengthen the internals because you'll end up having to do that later in repairs. It's going to cost you almost as much as a Hellcat with no warranty. You could just race against stock WRX's and stock STI's. 😉
+Pitties, a WRX and More lol even stage 2 wrx don’t run in the 12s. People have done it with amazing launches but only a super high 12. To run as quick as the Scatpack it would require an upgraded turbo at least. But yeah I’m doing more research to see the expected longevity
You are right. You should've gotten a hellcat charger....💥
I miss my scat pack but I love the hellcat, it's built to handle the power, never misses a beat! IMO if you supercharge you scat, run 8lbs of boost and leave the bottom end stock, if you want more than that just get the hellcat swap two pulleys and you'll have all the power you'll ever need
Makes sense.
Thanks! I’ll just keep the boost low. If it breaks I’ll build it