I'm a lifelong Democrat, but, always been open to other views.And that guy hit it right on the head with "this is why good people hate us". He's still correct.
+Jeffrey Nocera ... nicely written and nice of you to share. It's good to read when a lifelong party member expresses their view with the knowledge no side can always be right without needing to say that, it rests in your words. :-)
Republicans who want to say this show never portrayed Republicans as anything but terrible leeches are obviously ignoring this scene. Or the other scene with Rep. Bruno. And any scene with Cliff. Or any scene with Ainsley. And Rep. Royce. It's just painfully obvious that anyone who thinks only Democrats were portrayed as good human beings have never actually watched the show.
I'm a centrist, who tends to vote Democratic. This is a superb example of what ethical people, on both sides of the aisle, do. I have admired Democrats, Republicans, and independent people for a long time.
@Susan Riley - A nod to you and your beliefs. In government, there should be no partisanship. I only hope that statesmanship and the goal for the greater good will come back into politics.
I’m curious as an independent would you compare President Trump with President Biden? Not just they’re rhetoric, but their performance in the job? In a nutshell I think President Trump did much better than anyone expected and achieved a lot of good things. Yet people hate him and prefer President Biden who is a nicer more respectable person and yet he’s doing a terrible job or at least he’s not managing a terrible situation. What’s more important
@@jimmy2k4o my response to this question three years later is that Trump is and always has been a con man and a crook. Trump did a great deal of damage to us and to our allies.
@@susanr5546 well I think most politicians are liars, conmen and crooks. But as a non America he seemed good. He confronted North Korea got them to stop firing missiles. Brokered a historic meeting between north and South Korea, first step on the road to unification and peace. He got Otto warmbeer released. He brokered peace deals with Israel and Morocco, Israel and Bahrain, Israel and the UAE. He recognised Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. He crushed isis including killing Abu bakr al baghdadi. They have virtually no territory accept in Libya. He killed Sullimani the Iranian general responsible for thousands of deaths : iraqi, Iranian, American, British. He cancelled the Iran deal which was literally putting pallets of cash in the hands of hamas and hezbollah- who killed countless Jews and Muslims. He also presided over Nasa finally sending humans back to space from Florida. Also the economy was doing better until covid hit and slowed things down followed by inflation which isn’t his fault or President Biden. The whole western world is feeling the pressure. Biden on the other hand pulled out of Afghanistan leaving all weapons behind for the taliban, as a result the take an now has more black hawk helicopters than the British army. Hes siding with Iraq against Saudi Arabia while we have a oil shortage. He committed to no new drilling or oil Extraction in the USA which makes the oil scarcity even worse. And he’s clearly ravaged by age in a serious manner, he’s like my grandpa with dementia. I know you hate trump and I know why he’s a very unpleasant man, but can’t you hold that opinion and at the same time realise that Biden is an embarrassment [end of quote) (Repeat the line) Like Peter B Parker said in spider-verse: “dont watch the mouth watch the hands” Focus on their actions and not their personality and things are clearer after all it’s their actions that are important not their personality.
I know this is an old comment but I just rewatched this and realised that they used the lighting that way to make the republicans look more "evil", the Nazis used to do the same thing when they made propaganda stuff about the Jews. When I first saw this series I was pretty naive about Politics and came out after it thinking Democrats were so cool and Republicans are assholes. Funny thing is, as I got older and more "wise" to the world my views have pretty much done a 360 :) I still love the show however, one of the best things ever viewed for acting, writing etc.
Spiros M Precisely. The world isn’t divided into Democrats and Republicans, left vs right, liberals and conservatives. There are idiots and angels everywhere, regardless of their political beliefs.
Spiros M When 99 out of 100 of the toxic cretins working to destroy America are lining up with the Republican Party, and 1 is a Democrat; it is counterproductive to say, “Both sides need to do better.” If you insist that 99 is the moral equivalent of 1, then the math just doesn’t work and nothing gets done.
@@RobynHarris I don't disagree with that because the Republican Party officials are actively trying to undermine democracy and the democratic institutions. However, I would not go as far as saying it's just the one Democrat that is a cretin. What I meant in my original comment is that it's more of a nod to politicians in general and to other people in the political world. They are trying to win, not serve the people. I think it was a reminder to all those people.
@@1425363878 - because we tend to tell the truth? Look at what Republicans are doing now... fraud, lawsuits, we were cheated, etc. Obama didn't throw a tantrum due to Hillary losing. He invited Trump and Melania graciously to the white house
It is important to recognize the value of statesmanlike and professional behavior as demonstrated here, in this day and age particularly in the Republican Party, but the issue applies just as much to behavior that could and I'm sure has been demonstrated by a Democrat. The show as a whole leans left, but gives plenty of nods to conservative values that can be respected by all, even in an opposition based political system.
I was a lifelong Republican (cast my 1st vote for Ronald Reagan), until 2016. Something has gone horribly wrong in our country and the GOP is a big part of that. Not sure how to fix it, but I am certain that the cultish loyalty to Donald Trump is not part of the solution. Until that ends, I am content to remain an independent.
@@jec1ny I don't think it's cultist loyalty to Trump. He just caught the zeitgeist. To quote Dinesh D'Sousa, Trump didn't create the problem, the problem created Trump.
Amritanshu Mukherjee both are fictional characters and like an extinct species, one can only watch ethical congressman in movie reels. Considering last 8 years of blocking of everything important.
The difference being that the sales of weapons to Iran and funding of the Nicaraguan Contras were serious political matters where the involvement of President Reagan and his top officials SHOULD be investigated closely, leading to the indictement of the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of State and the Director of Cia if he hadn't died suddenly just to name a few.
"How do you think the Speaker will feel about this, to say nothing of the RNC?" "I need a minute" = "I need to work out how I feel about this first of all!"
lovethatdirtywater78 because the ethical ones are being pushed out of the party. I would be in the ethical side myself. I’m considering running for office and no party will dictate my vote.
@@josephparker646 You should run - though given the climate of our times, you may find greater success as a "Democrat" running in a red state than as a Republican.
I saw this “Ethical Republican” title and almost choked and spit out my food. After Trump… ethics, honor, integrity, all good things have left the party.
Strange how trumps characters flaws seemed to be contagious…… all the people that hate him most imbue the same arrogance and superiority as President Trump did/does. Difference is he was lowering unemployment and destroying Isis while he was being a egotistical jerk.
Guess you forgot about the pandemic that trump down played to the point of millions of Americans dying. As he was "destroying ISIS " he was giving Afghanistan back to the Taliban. Trump has always been an egotistical narcissistic grifter. Just ask the people in NYC that had to deal with him.
@@Erin-Thor Truth. Plus, no lib has any right to take a shot at Trump after the unmitigated disaster of a President they voted in to replace him. There was a line on The West Wing that has been lost in the social media era. As best I remember it was, "For all of the noise out on the fringes, we are a nation of moderates." I still think that is true but the social media and the news won't talk about anything but the loonies on the edge and people think that everyone is like those people, but they aren't. Most people see things mostly the same way but for a few issues, like abortion.
@@Elthenar - Who said I’m a lib? And who gave you the right to state that ANYONE can’t say something bad about our former president? And had you paid attention in Economics class you would know the causes for our inflation are in order Covid, Trump (Republicans) and then Biden (Democrats). But you as a MAGA Republican feel facts are irrelevant, you just sell fear.
“I will resign from this committee and call you out in a press conference ” “and if you do we will call you a DC swamp RINO on FOX news and you’ll be a guest on MSNBC for a night or two until the next news cycle, and never find work in this town again.”
The series was great. But it ruined our expectations for politicians. Honest, ethical.. They seem like a dream. But there were those now and then that acted just like that guy, win at any cost, lie, cheat, steal. "this is why good people hate us". Yes, it is. It's why good people leave the party too.
I wish Republicans like he had been running the party during the Whitewater investigation. The smallminded vindictiveness of the ruling Republicans made me lose all respect for GOP back then.
I never said the Democrats are all good and the Republicans all bad. I just said the Iran-Contra affair should have been investigated and it was. Whether the Democrats of then were more interested in justice or party politics I can't say, but not investigating the affair would have been wrong.
Ok...I probably missed something in this scene...why did that one guy want to wait until after the holidays? and why was the guy in glasses so eager to question leo (?)
+Firan25 The setup for this scene takes up the whole episode, it's a really good one, you should watch it in full :) To summarize, Leo was known to be a recovering alcoholic that hadn't drank since rehab over 8 years ago. However the glasses-ed Republican had personally witnessed evidence Leo's one and only relapse which happened to coincide with an MS attack experienced by then-candidate Bartlet during a campaign stop (and nobody knew he had the disease yet). Since the Congressional investigation WAS into the coverup of Bartlet's illness, it would've been a pretext to ask Leo a lot of "where were you, what did you see" types of questions which probably would've forced him to admit to the drinking binge to explain his lack of involvement in the events. In season one the first public reveal of Leo's past caused some political problems for the White House, and admitting to a relapse would've probably brought on a similar round of political damage control. Cliff Calley, the GOP attorney, is a good guy who believes in looking for the truth on the basis of the investigation into MS without dragging Leo's personal history into it. He knows the testimony they would've gotten doesn't really say anything about the coverup of the illness, and is only really about alcoholism. He convinces the Speaker of the House to postpone the hearings to give Leo some time to prepare or avoid having to publicly testify about his own insobriety, to avoid the dirty politics.
+antourte1 - Thanks, it was an episode where Aaron Sorkin showed even handedness in dealing with the 2 parties. Or, at least some people on the other side of the aisle.
+Theo Lamp I agree. In fact, I think he was deliberately making the point with the "you are killing the party" speech that the perception of the GOP by many outside it as, approximately, "a bunch of assholes", is probably due to a small number of cynical jerks who create that impression - the exception not the norm.
+Firan25 By the way, small detail I got wrong, it wasn't the Speaker of the House he convinces to shut down the hearings, it's the Chairman of the Committee in charge of the investigation. In fact, the "bad guy" tells the Chairman to think about what the Speaker would want, presumably because he'd go for the political attack.
@Nonsensei436 No they didn't. Watch Season 3 again. They were in their first date when he found out who she was and he realized that getting involved will be a problem. That's why he cut their 1st date short and took off. But they hooked up again after that. Donna may not have known but Cliff surely knew. So he ethically compromised himself for sex (seeing how he would have known it won't go anywhere once she found out the truth).
I have never treated abortion as a religious sacrament or a time for celebration. I have never known anyone who did. I find it almost impossible to imagine that you know anyone who ever did. Although this is an easy way to demonize people who disagree with you. No one wants more abortions, but there are some parts of life that are so private and so personal, that government simply has no place. I think that for right or wrong, it has to be that woman's decision. Not mine, not yours, hers.
@Suicide Booth It’s not a baby. It’s an ovum, that may become a fertilized ovum, that may become a embryo, that may become a fetus, that may become a baby. To treat it like a human being during the earlier stages may fit your political agenda of punishing women, but it is as nonsensical as saying a coffee table is a horse because they both have four legs.
it depends on the stage if developed. And ovum is an unfertilised egg- not life When a sperm enters the ovum and fertilisation occurs, a new cell that’s that’s neither the mother or the father is created and is now an embryo. It has its unique DNA and respires, (taking in oxygen and nutrition while expelling waste and carbon dioxide.) Over time the embryo will develop into a very small human being with its own skeleton, blood, organs, brain, genetic structure (and if you choose to believe, a soul) I agree that bodily autonomy is a right. But I think it’s factually wrong to call aborting a baby “a woman’s body” since the baby isn’t her body, it doesn’t even have her DNA. If you wanna argue for abortion, please do, but please don’t use the “woman’s body” argument since it’s not true. Also if a person wanted a doctor and said “amputate my arm because of alien limb syndrome, the doctor would say no, and get them psychiatric help. Doctors swore to do no harm and abortions are harmful.
@@jimmy2k4o What's your point? How is abortion harmful? Who is it harming? It's not human life yet. It's not intelligent. It can't write a novel. It can't do a calculus proof. It doesn't have memory. It's not sentient. My dog is closer to human life than a fetus. She communicates; she feels; she has a mind and memory unlike a fetus. Heck, she's more intelligent than most babies I've met. Or Are you trying to protect all life? Do you oppose abortions for dogs? (Yes they're a thing. I looked into it, just in case, when my puppy went into heat earlier than expected.) Do you oppose killing cows because they're life? Do you not kill mosquitoes? Do you not use antibiotics because they kill bacterial life? Do you not spray your lawn for weeds because weeds are life?
The Senator is way I hate the GOP (and people like that in the Dems I despise even more); the counsel is why I can still love the GOP. Those Republicans do exist, and I'm glad the WW writers took a moment to remind us.
When I started watching ROYAL PAINS I knew Mark Feuerstein was this great character on West Wing. Adam Sorkin allowed a few Republican characters that were good people to leak through. Too bad the Democrats didn’t have a person with character to pull back Schiff and his Impeachment Committee lynch mob this fall when their histrionics were there for the world to see.
The point of the committee in the show is to determine if Bartlett did anything wrong: asking Leo about his substance history truly is irrelevant, and thus the member of the committee had to be reigned in. The point of the impeachment inquiry was to find if trump did anything that warrants impeachment. Thus, all of his dealings with foreign powers and his dealings with our own political process are fair game, since they are all potentially impeachable acts. Schiff's just doing his job: the committee man wasn't, so I don't think you can compare the two
Grossly naive? Because of Trump? Does he sick the honour out of all republicans? Don’t be hysterical, many republicans hated Trump and weee vocal about it.
At the time this was written (1999-2000) Republicans were a long way of from going full MAGA. There were decent Republicans back then. I used to vote for them. Now they're all gone.
Any who for every Jim Jordan there is a storyteller that spills on former LA Law star Harry Hamlin and goddess Ursula Andreas. Aka clash of tight ends or heavens gaetz. Lord Olivier was in that particular Ray Harryhausen heaven too. Now as I watch a version of USA politics there has never been except in white Historians minds - what was the stop-motion movie where two Elephants were worsted by a creature 10 million miles from the OEUF? Or was it kilometres from the soaraway SUN? OLD GUY FORGET 20 million miles to Earth. Ted Lasso and Mighty Joe Young's. How did that work out? RIP Ben Johnson Oscar winner. Yup. Swimming pool scene.
Why is that? Please, explain to us. By the way, I'm also interested in hearing why Joe Biden hasn't issued a statement about his son's corruption and racism.
Not necessarily. Good people hate people who behave amorally, and the Republican who said the comment is referring to the bad part of the Republican party, as opposed to conflating the entirety of the Republican party with the aforementioned bad element.
No party or view point is able claim the moral high ground here friend. Everyone done good and bad for the country so please don't posture because that's shaky ground.
@@808INFantry11X: First of all, my comment was on the contempt for liberals and the bullshit self-righteousness of conservatives, not on who has the moral high ground. But, now that you bring it up, let me tell ya, people who support a PROVEN criminal, misogynist, racist, sexual predator, thief and traitor have no claim whatsoever to any sort of moral high ground. As for this clip, I don't know what your political leanings are but when conservatives screw up, their immediate defense is EVERYBODY fails, but when it is in fact both then it's JUST liberals who screw up, according to them. Because that's who and what they are.
@@KikoJonesUSA I mean the same can be said about other Presidents who are beloved by history. I understand why the media doesn't like Trump and neither do it because he doesn't fit the self created of president but when I look at a bunch of Predsidents in History you see none of these folks are saints. John Quincy Adam's had no shame in creating lies and slander about the Mrs Jackson to win the election. Franklin Dleano Roosevelt a man who I respect was racist he even jailed some of my family in internment camps. I mean we can do this all day but I don't wish to because no good comes of it.
A decent man, and Leos's history of addiction is not a crime. It's a smear campaign. Specifically. The difference between what you're implying and this is profound, if you have even a thought in your head.
@@MattAlbie Thank you, sort of, but I don't think it's that profound. Clearly, the fellow in glasses has stated his object is to win, which hints it isn't to seek the truth on the relevant matter, but rather just to damage Leo. The other two fellows chose not to follow his preferred course. Any other parallels you may draw are on you.
I know seeking an investigation on allegations against someone about to get a life time appointment to the highest court in the land....the audacity!!!!
wasn't an investigation, let alone 7th. It was reopening of a background checks that was excessively limited by Trump, barely anyone was interviewed, leads wasn't followed. and the reasons why women don't come forward after assaults, you can start with the death threats Dr Ford received. But in the end "I love beer" Brett is on the SCOTUS, he will erode if not over turn roe vs wade, will open the flood gates of dark money in politics, gut workers rights, champion government spying on its citizens, and most importantly for Trump, protect him above all else.
i'm saying don't foster a system of bashing, intimidation and threatening them with the goal of having them not come forward. You of course know this, but just had to go trump level strawman and again no its not, the transcript is pretty easy to find at this point.
Always nice to know who the Anti Americans are...thanks for your candor...shouldnt you be at the Madhouse on McDowell embarrassing your state country and mother?
@@ronaldpickerel8706 You better watch your step. I suggest you stay off the streets and dont burn anything down or mug any people this year. You are a yellow traitor and we have the means to neutralize your threat to a high degree. Stay off the streets traitor.
I'm a lifelong Democrat, but, always been open to other views.And that guy hit it right on the head with "this is why good people hate us". He's still correct.
+Jeffrey Nocera ... nicely written and nice of you to share. It's good to read when a lifelong party member expresses their view with the knowledge no side can always be right without needing to say that, it rests in your words. :-)
Jeffrey Nocera I am reminded, when I see how things are now, that Eisenhower's policies were slightly, but detectably, to the left of Obama's.
Jeffrey Nocera I'm not political at all but regardless of what you do HOW you do it counts for something. I couldn't agree with you more.
more correct today than ever
Of course democrats are hated too,with good reason.
Cliff Calley and Ainsley Hayes were amazing.
and Chandler whateverthefuck
@@zacharynewman4852 Joe Quincy lol. Just watched some of his videos
and very fictional
Republicans who want to say this show never portrayed Republicans as anything but terrible leeches are obviously ignoring this scene. Or the other scene with Rep. Bruno. And any scene with Cliff. Or any scene with Ainsley. And Rep. Royce. It's just painfully obvious that anyone who thinks only Democrats were portrayed as good human beings have never actually watched the show.
Hell, just have them watch the arc where Zoey gets kidnapped.
Aaron Sorkin's writing is just genius.
I'm a centrist, who tends to vote Democratic. This is a superb example of what ethical people, on both sides of the aisle, do. I have admired Democrats, Republicans, and independent people for a long time.
@Susan Riley - A nod to you and your beliefs. In government, there should be no partisanship. I only hope that statesmanship and the goal for the greater good will come back into politics.
We need more Americans who care about America first.
Let’s be a country of laws and honor again.
I’m curious as an independent would you compare President Trump with President Biden?
Not just they’re rhetoric, but their performance in the job?
In a nutshell I think President Trump did much better than anyone expected and achieved a lot of good things.
Yet people hate him and prefer President Biden who is a nicer more respectable person and yet he’s doing a terrible job or at least he’s not managing a terrible situation.
What’s more important
@@jimmy2k4o my response to this question three years later is that Trump is and always has been a con man and a crook. Trump did a great deal of damage to us and to our allies.
@@susanr5546 well I think most politicians are liars, conmen and crooks.
But as a non America he seemed good.
He confronted North Korea got them to stop firing missiles. Brokered a historic meeting between north and South Korea, first step on the road to unification and peace. He got Otto warmbeer released.
He brokered peace deals with Israel and Morocco, Israel and Bahrain, Israel and the UAE. He recognised Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
He crushed isis including killing Abu bakr al baghdadi. They have virtually no territory accept in Libya.
He killed Sullimani the Iranian general responsible for thousands of deaths : iraqi, Iranian, American, British.
He cancelled the Iran deal which was literally putting pallets of cash in the hands of hamas and hezbollah- who killed countless Jews and Muslims.
He also presided over Nasa finally sending humans back to space from Florida.
Also the economy was doing better until covid hit and slowed things down followed by inflation which isn’t his fault or President Biden. The whole western world is feeling the pressure.
Biden on the other hand pulled out of Afghanistan leaving all weapons behind for the taliban, as a result the take an now has more black hawk helicopters than the British army.
Hes siding with Iraq against Saudi Arabia while we have a oil shortage.
He committed to no new drilling or oil
Extraction in the USA which makes the oil scarcity even worse.
And he’s clearly ravaged by age in a serious manner, he’s like my grandpa with dementia.
I know you hate trump and I know why he’s a very unpleasant man, but can’t you hold that opinion and at the same time realise that Biden is an embarrassment [end of quote)
(Repeat the line)
Like Peter B Parker said in spider-verse: “dont watch the mouth watch the hands”
Focus on their actions and not their personality and things are clearer after all it’s their actions that are important not their personality.
Love the uplighting that adds to the drama.
I know this is an old comment but I just rewatched this and realised that they used the lighting that way to make the republicans look more "evil", the Nazis used to do the same thing when they made propaganda stuff about the Jews. When I first saw this series I was pretty naive about Politics and came out after it thinking Democrats were so cool and Republicans are assholes. Funny thing is, as I got older and more "wise" to the world my views have pretty much done a 360 :) I still love the show however, one of the best things ever viewed for acting, writing etc.
I think that the line "this is why good people hate us" is meant for politicians in general and not just the Republican party.
Spiros M Precisely. The world isn’t divided into Democrats and Republicans, left vs right, liberals and conservatives. There are idiots and angels everywhere, regardless of their political beliefs.
Spiros M When 99 out of 100 of the toxic cretins working to destroy America are lining up with the Republican Party, and 1 is a Democrat; it is counterproductive to say, “Both sides need to do better.” If you insist that 99 is the moral equivalent of 1, then the math just doesn’t work and nothing gets done.
@@RobynHarris
I don't disagree with that because the Republican Party officials are actively trying to undermine democracy and the democratic institutions. However, I would not go as far as saying it's just the one Democrat that is a cretin.
What I meant in my original comment is that it's more of a nod to politicians in general and to other people in the political world. They are trying to win, not serve the people. I think it was a reminder to all those people.
@@RobynHarris People like you are the reason most people hate liberals.
@@1425363878 - because we tend to tell the truth? Look at what Republicans are doing now... fraud, lawsuits, we were cheated, etc. Obama didn't throw a tantrum due to Hillary losing. He invited Trump and Melania graciously to the white house
I am a lifelong Republican, and I think he's right; it is bush league and I don't like it.
Its now official GOP policy. I don't think people like this have any power in the Republican party anymore.
It is important to recognize the value of statesmanlike and professional behavior as demonstrated here, in this day and age particularly in the Republican Party, but the issue applies just as much to behavior that could and I'm sure has been demonstrated by a Democrat. The show as a whole leans left, but gives plenty of nods to conservative values that can be respected by all, even in an opposition based political system.
I was a lifelong Republican (cast my 1st vote for Ronald Reagan), until 2016. Something has gone horribly wrong in our country and the GOP is a big part of that. Not sure how to fix it, but I am certain that the cultish loyalty to Donald Trump is not part of the solution. Until that ends, I am content to remain an independent.
@@jec1ny I don't think it's cultist loyalty to Trump. He just caught the zeitgeist. To quote Dinesh D'Sousa, Trump didn't create the problem, the problem created Trump.
@@Dabhach1 See: Pygmalion.
I am a Republican and that was beautiful. I encourage everyone to watch the Newsroom, the news anchor there is a Republican too.
Amritanshu Mukherjee both are fictional characters and like an extinct species, one can only watch ethical congressman in movie reels. Considering last 8 years of blocking of everything important.
Not all Republicans actively blocked everything, unfortunately the ones who were doing the blocking happen to be the ones with power.
Just started watching NEWSROOM, love it!!!!!!!
It was said that Newsroom and West Wing have combined Universe I think
Real principled Republicans, not partisan sycophants.
I'm an ex-Republican who switched parties after the SOTU in '10. And these tactics are why.
Cliff Calley: The original member of the Lincoln Project.
“I wait for you in the tall grass because you are what is killing this party.”
Tea party Taliban
Wow this is an incredible show!!
How timely and relevant.
The difference being that the sales of weapons to Iran and funding of the Nicaraguan Contras were serious political matters where the involvement of President Reagan and his top officials SHOULD be investigated closely, leading to the indictement of the Secretary of Defense, Secretary of State and the Director of Cia if he hadn't died suddenly just to name a few.
Well there is no such thing as an ethical republicans anymore
Aren't we all waiting for the GOP to start being good people again?
I be am waiting waiting for the government to remember it’s “We the People” not “We the Politicians”
@@robertmiller2831 Stop electing self serving MAGA reps.
Im a cynical fuck myself.
@@robertmiller2831 "We, the Corporate Whores" I think is the stage they're at now.
That bald guy with the glasses is basically Lindsey Graham.
This one of my favorite episodes just noticing now how Rep. calls the Chairman Phil. That lack of respect was the final straw
Is that Newt Gingrich?
Brian Fitzpatrick is as close as the Republican Party gets to it these days.
12 years since I saw this clip and it's as powerful as ever, the only difference is that now I'm a conservative
Sorry about that! Hope you get better! 🤣
"How do you think the Speaker will feel about this, to say nothing of the RNC?"
"I need a minute" = "I need to work out how I feel about this first of all!"
This guy also played a Klan member in Oh Brother where art thou, basically the same character
I love how Leo McGary has *no* idea how to respond to the turn of events.
BeAwesomeful In his defense, it was rather unexpected. He was expecting to answer as best as he could. Thankfully, the chair stopped that.
CBunye Agreed. It's because no one expects to encounter an honest politician anymore.
WHY DONT YOU EXIST?!
lovethatdirtywater78 because the ethical ones are being pushed out of the party. I would be in the ethical side myself. I’m considering running for office and no party will dictate my vote.
@@josephparker646 You should run - though given the climate of our times, you may find greater success as a "Democrat" running in a red state than as a Republican.
Remember when there were ethical Republicans?
I don't think I'd been born yet.
Yes, I do. However, that was a long time ago.
Remember when there were humble democrats………me neither.
There never were ethical Republicans. They are an imaginary liberal fantasy to make centrists feel better.
I saw this “Ethical Republican” title and almost choked and spit out my food. After Trump… ethics, honor, integrity, all good things have left the party.
Strange how trumps characters flaws seemed to be contagious…… all the people that hate him most imbue the same arrogance and superiority as President Trump did/does.
Difference is he was lowering unemployment and destroying Isis while he was being a egotistical jerk.
Guess you forgot about the pandemic that trump down played to the point of millions of Americans dying.
As he was "destroying ISIS " he was giving Afghanistan back to the Taliban.
Trump has always been an egotistical narcissistic grifter. Just ask the people in NYC that had to deal with him.
@@jimmy2k4o - What Trump said and actually did are two totally different things.
@@Erin-Thor Truth. Plus, no lib has any right to take a shot at Trump after the unmitigated disaster of a President they voted in to replace him.
There was a line on The West Wing that has been lost in the social media era. As best I remember it was, "For all of the noise out on the fringes, we are a nation of moderates."
I still think that is true but the social media and the news won't talk about anything but the loonies on the edge and people think that everyone is like those people, but they aren't. Most people see things mostly the same way but for a few issues, like abortion.
@@Elthenar - Who said I’m a lib? And who gave you the right to state that ANYONE can’t say something bad about our former president? And had you paid attention in Economics class you would know the causes for our inflation are in order Covid, Trump (Republicans) and then Biden (Democrats). But you as a MAGA Republican feel facts are irrelevant, you just sell fear.
when governing like adults was seen as the expectation not the exception
It is so very sad that this scene is 20 years old, and Republicans have only become _worse._
0:24 & 0:41 - 2 lines that could be thrown at the leaders of both parties, not that that is new
“I will resign from this committee and call you out in a press conference ” “and if you do we will call you a DC swamp RINO on FOX news and you’ll be a guest on MSNBC for a night or two until the next news cycle, and never find work in this town again.”
Those were simpler times...
The series was great. But it ruined our expectations for politicians. Honest, ethical.. They seem like a dream. But there were those now and then that acted just like that guy, win at any cost, lie, cheat, steal. "this is why good people hate us". Yes, it is. It's why good people leave the party too.
I wish Republicans like he had been running the party during the Whitewater investigation. The smallminded vindictiveness of the ruling Republicans made me lose all respect for GOP back then.
Two out of three anyway, Way better than today's ratio.
@MrAllad Pardon?
I never said the Democrats are all good and the Republicans all bad. I just said the Iran-Contra affair should have been investigated and it was. Whether the Democrats of then were more interested in justice or party politics I can't say, but not investigating the affair would have been wrong.
People should be in prison the president should have been impeached. Iran contra whas high treason
@plague2005 Actually im pretty sure they slept together before this whole hearing thing got started.
Who knew the West Wing was a fantasy show?
Ethical Republicans. Halcyon days.
why is the title plural? :)
+Catherine McKweon Cliff Calley, and the Speaker who agreed with him.
Because the video portrays ethical republicans
Good for them.
Ok...I probably missed something in this scene...why did that one guy want to wait until after the holidays? and why was the guy in glasses so eager to question leo (?)
+Firan25 The setup for this scene takes up the whole episode, it's a really good one, you should watch it in full :) To summarize, Leo was known to be a recovering alcoholic that hadn't drank since rehab over 8 years ago. However the glasses-ed Republican had personally witnessed evidence Leo's one and only relapse which happened to coincide with an MS attack experienced by then-candidate Bartlet during a campaign stop (and nobody knew he had the disease yet). Since the Congressional investigation WAS into the coverup of Bartlet's illness, it would've been a pretext to ask Leo a lot of "where were you, what did you see" types of questions which probably would've forced him to admit to the drinking binge to explain his lack of involvement in the events. In season one the first public reveal of Leo's past caused some political problems for the White House, and admitting to a relapse would've probably brought on a similar round of political damage control.
Cliff Calley, the GOP attorney, is a good guy who believes in looking for the truth on the basis of the investigation into MS without dragging Leo's personal history into it. He knows the testimony they would've gotten doesn't really say anything about the coverup of the illness, and is only really about alcoholism. He convinces the Speaker of the House to postpone the hearings to give Leo some time to prepare or avoid having to publicly testify about his own insobriety, to avoid the dirty politics.
Thanks for that, I never really got what was going on . :3
+antourte1 - Thanks, it was an episode where Aaron Sorkin showed even handedness in dealing with the 2 parties. Or, at least some people on the other side of the aisle.
+Theo Lamp I agree. In fact, I think he was deliberately making the point with the "you are killing the party" speech that the perception of the GOP by many outside it as, approximately, "a bunch of assholes", is probably due to a small number of cynical jerks who create that impression - the exception not the norm.
+Firan25 By the way, small detail I got wrong, it wasn't the Speaker of the House he convinces to shut down the hearings, it's the Chairman of the Committee in charge of the investigation. In fact, the "bad guy" tells the Chairman to think about what the Speaker would want, presumably because he'd go for the political attack.
@Nonsensei436 No they didn't. Watch Season 3 again. They were in their first date when he found out who she was and he realized that getting involved will be a problem. That's why he cut their 1st date short and took off. But they hooked up again after that. Donna may not have known but Cliff surely knew. So he ethically compromised himself for sex (seeing how he would have known it won't go anywhere once she found out the truth).
Honestly, I would have voted for vinick. unrelated but seriously
I have never treated abortion as a religious sacrament or a time for celebration.
I have never known anyone who did.
I find it almost impossible to imagine that you know anyone who ever did.
Although this is an easy way to demonize people who disagree with you.
No one wants more abortions, but there are some parts of life
that are so private and so personal, that government simply has no place.
I think that for right or wrong, it has to be that woman's decision.
Not mine, not yours, hers.
Suicide Booth An embryo is not a baby, just as your random collection of misspelled words is not an argument.
@@RobynHarris I'm not sure why life shouldn't begin at conception, barring biological malfunctions the embryo will grow to be a baby.
@Suicide Booth It’s not a baby. It’s an ovum, that may become a fertilized ovum, that may become a embryo, that may become a fetus, that may become a baby.
To treat it like a human being during the earlier stages may fit your political agenda of punishing women, but it is as nonsensical as saying a coffee table is a horse because they both have four legs.
it depends on the stage if developed.
And ovum is an unfertilised egg- not life
When a sperm enters the ovum and fertilisation occurs, a new cell that’s that’s neither the mother or the father is created and is now an embryo. It has its unique DNA and respires, (taking in oxygen and nutrition while expelling waste and carbon dioxide.)
Over time the embryo will develop into a very small human being with its own skeleton, blood, organs, brain, genetic structure (and if you choose to believe, a soul)
I agree that bodily autonomy is a right. But I think it’s factually wrong to call aborting a baby “a woman’s body” since the baby isn’t her body, it doesn’t even have her DNA.
If you wanna argue for abortion, please do, but please don’t use the “woman’s body” argument since it’s not true.
Also if a person wanted a doctor and said “amputate my arm because of alien limb syndrome, the doctor would say no, and get them psychiatric help.
Doctors swore to do no harm and abortions are harmful.
@@jimmy2k4o What's your point? How is abortion harmful? Who is it harming? It's not human life yet. It's not intelligent. It can't write a novel. It can't do a calculus proof. It doesn't have memory. It's not sentient. My dog is closer to human life than a fetus. She communicates; she feels; she has a mind and memory unlike a fetus. Heck, she's more intelligent than most babies I've met.
Or Are you trying to protect all life? Do you oppose abortions for dogs? (Yes they're a thing. I looked into it, just in case, when my puppy went into heat earlier than expected.) Do you oppose killing cows because they're life? Do you not kill mosquitoes? Do you not use antibiotics because they kill bacterial life? Do you not spray your lawn for weeds because weeds are life?
This was a tv show. Make belief. In modern politics, there is no such thing as a an ''ethical republican'' politician. Not any more.
Mitt Romney stood up to his own party. John McCain behaved ethically. I strongly disagree with them on policy, but they were honourable men.
While Joe Biden's son is a corrupt racist, and nobody says anything. Just great.
LOL Ethical Republicans, that's hilarious.
How quaint the notion of an ethical Republican seems in 2021.
@Nonsensei436 Infact, if Josh didn't cover for Donna like he did, they both would have been in a lot of trouble and both their careers would be over.
@bec6143 Cliff in this scene was someone who was ethically wrong when he knowingly slept with a person (Donna) who was going to be subpoenaed by him.
He is the Adam Schiff of the series.
i second bec6143. it goes both ways.
that a rare scene to see, ethical Republicans!!
2010: The paleos are killing the party
2020: The paleos are the party's only hope
If republicans were actually like this
no! if Democrats were actually like this
Isn't fiction nice?
The dems have these people too. Good, bad and all the flavours in between.
Contradiction in terms
Hm, endangered species back then. All but extinct now (the ones with actual power, i'm sure there's still some out there outside of politics. I hope.)
“Ethical Republican” is a mythical unicorn that only exists in theory
Reads title: 'lolwut?'
Watches video: 'oh so fiction then, that makes sense'
@narutodream12 I believe you, I just wonder why you aren't more vocal in calling them out.
The Senator is way I hate the GOP (and people like that in the Dems I despise even more); the counsel is why I can still love the GOP. Those Republicans do exist, and I'm glad the WW writers took a moment to remind us.
Ethical republican is an oxymoron currently
...Ya know, ten months ago I'd thought we'd politically hit rock bottom.
What a way to completely miss the point.
@narutodream12
you are right but in your dreams.
0:23 So true...
It's a work of fiction of course they have fantasy creatures
When I started watching ROYAL PAINS I knew Mark Feuerstein was this great character on West Wing.
Adam Sorkin allowed a few Republican characters that were good people to leak through.
Too bad the Democrats didn’t have a person with character to pull back Schiff and his Impeachment Committee lynch mob this fall when their histrionics were there for the world to see.
The point of the committee in the show is to determine if Bartlett did anything wrong: asking Leo about his substance history truly is irrelevant, and thus the member of the committee had to be reigned in. The point of the impeachment inquiry was to find if trump did anything that warrants impeachment. Thus, all of his dealings with foreign powers and his dealings with our own political process are fair game, since they are all potentially impeachable acts. Schiff's just doing his job: the committee man wasn't, so I don't think you can compare the two
At the time I thought this portrayal of Republicans was both generous and utopic. Now I think it was grossly naive and off the mark.
Grossly naive?
Because of Trump?
Does he sick the honour out of all republicans? Don’t be hysterical, many republicans hated Trump and weee vocal about it.
no....the portrayal of the Democrats as the good guys is naive and off the mark
At the time this was written (1999-2000) Republicans were a long way of from going full MAGA. There were decent Republicans back then. I used to vote for them. Now they're all gone.
Any who for every Jim Jordan there is a storyteller that spills on former LA Law star Harry Hamlin and goddess Ursula Andreas. Aka clash of tight ends or heavens gaetz. Lord Olivier was in that particular Ray Harryhausen heaven too. Now as I watch a version of USA politics there has never been except in white Historians minds - what was the stop-motion movie where two Elephants were worsted by a creature 10 million miles from the OEUF? Or was it kilometres from the soaraway SUN?
OLD GUY FORGET
20 million miles to Earth.
Ted Lasso and Mighty Joe Young's. How did that work out? RIP Ben Johnson Oscar winner. Yup. Swimming pool scene.
I love Clash of the Titans.
"Ethical Republican" is a contradiction in terms.
Why is that? Please, explain to us. By the way, I'm also interested in hearing why Joe Biden hasn't issued a statement about his son's corruption and racism.
Only in fiction.
@2012hereandnow1133 I don't vote for them, and I make it clear I don;t support the far right.
"Good people hate us"? Straw-manning much?
Not necessarily. Good people hate people who behave amorally, and the Republican who said the comment is referring to the bad part of the Republican party, as opposed to conflating the entirety of the Republican party with the aforementioned bad element.
Lol the object of politics is to win and advance your interests and beliefs and anyone who doesn't think so is a fool and a sucker.
And it's people like you why we have a divided country run by people with no ethics.
Would a conservative writer/show treat liberals/Democrats with the same level of respect? Doubtful.
No party or view point is able claim the moral high ground here friend. Everyone done good and bad for the country so please don't posture because that's shaky ground.
@@808INFantry11X: First of all, my comment was on the contempt for liberals and the bullshit self-righteousness of conservatives, not on who has the moral high ground. But, now that you bring it up, let me tell ya, people who support a PROVEN criminal, misogynist, racist, sexual predator, thief and traitor have no claim whatsoever to any sort of moral high ground.
As for this clip, I don't know what your political leanings are but when conservatives screw up, their immediate defense is EVERYBODY fails, but when it is in fact both then it's JUST liberals who screw up, according to them. Because that's who and what they are.
@@KikoJonesUSA I mean the same can be said about other Presidents who are beloved by history. I understand why the media doesn't like Trump and neither do it because he doesn't fit the self created of president but when I look at a bunch of Predsidents in History you see none of these folks are saints. John Quincy Adam's had no shame in creating lies and slander about the Mrs Jackson to win the election. Franklin Dleano Roosevelt a man who I respect was racist he even jailed some of my family in internment camps. I mean we can do this all day but I don't wish to because no good comes of it.
Ethical Republicans maybe in 2000 now their all independents aka Lincoln Project
So he doesn't want to investigate the man in search of a crime? Interesting
A decent man, and Leos's history of addiction is not a crime. It's a smear campaign. Specifically. The difference between what you're implying and this is profound, if you have even a thought in your head.
@@MattAlbie Thank you, sort of, but I don't think it's that profound. Clearly, the fellow in glasses has stated his object is to win, which hints it isn't to seek the truth on the relevant matter, but rather just to damage Leo. The other two fellows chose not to follow his preferred course. Any other parallels you may draw are on you.
"ethical republicans" is the biggest oxymoron I've ever heard.
Ethical Republicans?! Whats next unicorns? dragons?
As if democrats are any better. In recent days they've shown just how low and disgusting they are willing to get.
I know seeking an investigation on allegations against someone about to get a life time appointment to the highest court in the land....the audacity!!!!
wasn't an investigation, let alone 7th. It was reopening of a background checks that was excessively limited by Trump, barely anyone was interviewed, leads wasn't followed. and the reasons why women don't come forward after assaults, you can start with the death threats Dr Ford received.
But in the end "I love beer" Brett is on the SCOTUS, he will erode if not over turn roe vs wade, will open the flood gates of dark money in politics, gut workers rights, champion government spying on its citizens, and most importantly for Trump, protect him above all else.
Pretty easy to not find anything when you don't look, and you have your information wrong on her testimony
i'm saying don't foster a system of bashing, intimidation and threatening them with the goal of having them not come forward. You of course know this, but just had to go trump level strawman
and again no its not, the transcript is pretty easy to find at this point.
Oxymoron, IMO.
2020 & 2021 - substitute Democrat for Republican
is that why everytime a republicans lose an election or close to losing one the right scream something like voter fraud and wants to change the rules
MAGA!! Trump 2020!!
Always nice to know who the Anti Americans are...thanks for your candor...shouldnt you be at the Madhouse on McDowell embarrassing your state country and mother?
@@ronaldpickerel8706 You better watch your step. I suggest you stay off the streets and dont burn anything down or mug any people this year. You are a yellow traitor and we have the means to neutralize your threat to a high degree. Stay off the streets traitor.
Ridiculous BS 😂😂