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On September 5th, I asked you guys for your Deltarune HOT TAKES to make a video about! And then... I forgot. BUT now I'm back, here with a video all about (some of) YOUR Deltarune Hot Takes! I talk about the worst Deltarune characters, whether Dess will appear, and Deltarune's romances!
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my hot take is that pizzapants is going to be a larger presence in the late game and that he'll probably give us an (optional) deep lore dump about asriel later in the game since he's probably the next closest person to him that's not from kris's or noelle's family
he is holding onto life thanks to asriel. this would be good. he can even get an arc of having friends in undertale if you take your time. he is one of the loved characters.
I mean he has an icon of his face in the chat box! And so far only important characters have that
Notably, Pizzapants is one of the only returning UT characters who didn't have a text portrait in Undertale, but does in Deltarune. The other two are Catty and Bratty, his fellow shopkeepers.(Notably, this includes Monster Kid, Snowy, and Temmie, indicating that despite being part of Kris' class they probably will not be as important as the rest of the class). Pizzapants is also being catfished, a fact which Bratty seems a little too knowledgeable about and clearly finds very funny.
Furthermore, Catty, one of those other characters, is notably the only person to have a room in Queen's mansion who isn't either part of Kris' class or Asriel. She's also involved in two subplots: Her rivalry with Bratty, and Catti's wish that her family would be more normal or more goth.
Conclusion: Catty, Bratty, and Pizzapants will end up in the dark world together at some point. Catty and Bratty will realize they're better off as friends than enemies, Bratty will come clean about the catfishing(gatorfishing?), and maybe, just maybe, Pizzapants will finally get the not-actually-a-double-date his UT counterpart was promised. If Catti also ends up in the same dark world, this would also be an opportunity to resolve her and Catti's issues.
(On the one hand, this is mostly a joke. On the other, I would love to see this actually happen lol)
I really like this take. I would love some nice Pizzapants-Asriel content, honestly any more characterization for PP is appreciated.
Azzypants truthers
Hot Take/Theory: Kris and Susie's group project will be important to their development as characters throughout and at the end of the story, and it's not talked about enough
I agree. It's important set up.
The group project is probably going to be a plot device to show that balance need to be had between escapism and real responsibilities. We have already seen that whenever kris and Susie go into the real world, they miss out on stuff in the light world.
I actually had not thought of this before, nor have I seen it discussed ever. Not a bad thought, considering it's been brought up in both Chapters 1 and 2. I might just be forgetting, but I'm not sure it's ever discussed what the project is? Either way, I like this concept.
My question is, what is the topic?
@@wowie-zowie Kris and Susie's group project
Here's my hottake: Ralsei isn't evil. You're just all still traumatized from Flowey and/or have trust issues.
I legit belive Ralsei is the goodest boy in the entire saga and his intantions are pure and he tries to do the most benevulent action he can. Problem is that this will become detrimental for Kris or the player, but not in the "the road to hell is paved with good intentions" way but because it will be the most moral and ethical decision that can be made without hurting kris. The snow grave rout is us undermining him
I dont think hes evil but he knows more then he lets on
@@anbon4985totally agreed
I think Ralsei is well intentioned but ultimately knows more than he lets on and this will cause him to make some incorrect assumptions about what we know or don't know, which will end up being a problem.
Ehhh, I don’t think he is evil. I thinks he is not telling us the truth though.
Not really a hot take per se, but I think it’s odd that people overlooked the fact that Chapter 2 confirmed Darkners don’t need to inherently be a physical object, as we see with most of the Cyber World Darkners who are clearly based on computer programs/data.
It’s entirely possible we could see Darkners born from ideas/thoughts in some capacity in the future.
Like cursed energy from jjk?
this reminds me of how you can aquire BadMemory from Memoryheads. would that work as an object too?
@@wix-1-3dgcjt6I’m pretty sure it can be sold to temmie, so it is a physical object
Hot take: The ending Toby envisioned was the product of a literal fever dream and no matter how many theorists refer to themselves as ‘crazy’, ‘insane’, or whatever most theories come off as baby’s first YA novel twist.
I feel like we’re gonna get a very End of Evangelion esque ending
with exception of that whole time loop theory, that one is fun conceptualy and definately feels like a weird ending, even if it's probably not true
The W.D. in W.D. Gaster stands for Weird Dog and he's related to the Annoying Dog. He's called a weird dog because he's actually a CAT.
I was going to write a detailed explanation as to why Toby's writing style wouldn't validate the writing tropes we're used to...
However, I have a THEORY on the ending TOO!
He's going to pour all his internal passion into a sequence that feels personal for HIM. WE don't know how HE feels about said fever dream. Therefore, predicting a top writer's story ending based only on the fact that he had a fever dream is foolish.
Also, Occam's Razor plays a big role in a lot of Deltarune related plot points. The ambiguity of Gaster's motivations and intentions is what drives his horror. Revealing his true colors would be far less exciting in the long run, compared to revealing a LACK of colors.
@@MagnaPawnhow in the world does that relate to occam's razor; that only means we should make the fewest assumptions and still explain everything. whether gaster's full story will or wont be fully explained is like a complete shot in the dark, we can only guess based on the narrative, theres not really any different assumptions made one way or the other
Hot take: Jockington is the knight, because he's just different like that
I feel like the chapter release schedule isn't just what's keeping it alive (it probably woulf never release if it was all chapters at once since it would take too long) but also makes the community more active with theory crafting, fan works, etc.
I feel the same with the chapter aproch, just litle sad it have been taking so long for them to compleat chapter 3, they are curently working on chapter 4 and are saving chapter 5 for a later releas, they find it's more important to sell 3 and 4 instead of waiting for 5 to finish
This tbh
Everyone just doesn’t wanna have to wait for more Chapters, but like. Think of all the fandom history that never would’ve happened if they didn’t come out the way they currently are
And I’ll never get people who can’t just wait for a game tbh. Like it’s one thing if it’s like Yandere Simulator where it’s nearing 10 years of development because the creator is a highly controversial moron who probably spends like 2 seconds out of the whole day actually working on the game, but I’d imagine most games aren’t like that
@@theprinceofawesomenessI don't think they find it "more important to sell 3 & 4" because I don't think the decision is about money. Toby is very aware of his fans and the promises he's made to deliver, and I feel he thinks that, with how long chapter 3 has taken, that it keeps his promises to his fans better if he releases 3 & 4 together earlier rather than adding on maybe ab extra year or more's wait time just to bundle chapter 5 in. I also think he's probably excited to share 3 & 4 with us and see our reactions, and doesn't want to wait longer to experience that with everyone.
@@WingedAsarath yes, you are right, it is not about the money
@@WingedAsarathI think it could also be about the money, they need funding to keep up the work and pay the bills. It's a combo of usefulness with convenience.
the chapter release structure is literally the best way. deltarune would be WAY too huge of a game to just be a release and be done thing.
also the chapter release helps the theory community alot and also it makes stuff have more impact. like spamton would NEVER have been as big as he is without the chapter releases.
Even Toby got surprised that this many people came to love Spamton, because from what i remember he said that one of his play testers thought he was a pretty creepy and annoying fella, just look at how much ruckus this little email man caused in the entire fandom lmao
It’s going to be interesting to see what happens when chapters 3 and 4 release, assuming they both have a secret boss, will the fandom favor one more than the other, or will they see them as a duo of some sorts
One thing to keep in mind with ralsei knowing the prophecy is that he isn’t the only one, if you choose not to listen to ralsei explain it, lancer is will talk about the prophecy himself, showing he of all people knows about it
Idk why people hate Berdly so much. He's just a silly character that wants to be seen as cool (I kinda relate because I used to want the fame too)
he's awsome
Cold take: Kris opened a dark fountain in chapter 2.
Hot take: Susie is the real protag and kris is just the side character, and susie is playing the game as a dating sim.
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cold take does mean that the corpse like state is normal kris, so it may actually be lukewarm take
@@QSBraWQ body temp is 98 so hottake if alive
you want an actual hot take? i dont think undyne will be in chapter 3. i think napstablook is the responding officer that will show up to toriels house, simply because napsta seems more likely to want to take the night shift than undyne does
Although Undyne is desperately searching for a crime to resolve, Napstablook wasn't utilized too much in Undertale so this would be the chance to develop and give insights on them. It would also be kinda funny to see Undyne's reaction to having slept through what was the most action Hometown has seen in awhile.
If the game's narrative IS trying to create an antagonistic stance from us towards Kris, for me it is failing because I want Kris to take the control that is rightfully theirs
I have to admit, you are very right. The Knight or the Titans being the final boss(es) doesn't really fit the narrative of the game, I want the actual plot to be a complete mindfuck and nothing less.
@@godslaughter chess theory is far from confirmed, but i do feel that the knight being confronted in chapter 5 feels just right. That leave 6,7 and maybe even 0 to build up the big twist.
Sadly that is due to time, and people more brain rottingly involved in the fandom seemingly getting wrapped up in the "idea" of Kris' vauge character implications
@@blackbloom8552 I have a hard time calling chess theory "far from confirmed" when we literally just need 1 more chapter boss to fit for it to be beyond a shadow of a doubt confirmed.
We already have 3 fitting the pattern.
@@JammyJam5588 its more of a 2.5 currently as the knight doesnt really provide much to the pattern outside the name. The theory can be used to infer stuff about the knight but thats about it. The rook is definitely gonna cement wether the theory hold water or was just coincidences.
1:42 I GOT DISTRACTED AND THOUGHT YOU CALLED KRIS AND ASRIEL "THROAT TITANS"
AYO
asriel the throat goat (literally)
@@cheeselad2401N O
I feel like Papyrus being the Knight fits perfectly. It would be a mirror of us and Kris, with Paps being a puppet to whoever is controlling the Knight, which Spamton implies the Knight had some kind of communion with the same entity Spamton talked to
...For the billionth time, Spamton confirmed in his QnA that he doesn't know anything about the Knight. He was just talking out of his [@SS] to keep Kris' interest.
@@Missingno_Miner wrong? He refuses to answer anything about the knight after what happened. I know Spamton
@@Breached18 That literally means nothing?? /lh
He definitely knows something we don’t, but that doesn’t mean he’s faced and spoken to the Knight. If anything it comes across more like he overheard something and was forced to keep whatever he knows under wraps
@@OffbrandDTraveler Again: He says outright that he doesn't know anything about the Knight. In the shop, he had a motive to lie and pretend he did when Kris brings up the topic. In the Q&A, he has no reason to lie, and him doing so would actively defeat the point of the Q&A, casting doubt on all his answers.
He's not keeping anything under wraps.
@@Missingno_Miner Adding onto this, if Spamton really was telling the truth in his shop, then that kind of renders his line in the Q&A pointless. It would be there to tell us that he fears the Knight and/or that the Knight is incredibly powerful; both of which we could already infer without the Q&A.
Hot take:
If KrisKnight is a red herring; then MayorKnight would be a great twist.
She had access to the most of the town’s buildings, especially public spaces: like the library, school, hospital and police station. She also has the resources and time to *be* the Roaring Knight. Who else really has the funds to buy an entire suit of armour. (Though, it may not *be* a real suit of armour. It may be something that the Dark Worlds create for her, like the outfits that Kris, Susie, Noelle and Berdly don.)
Mayor Holiday also has the plot threads to be the Roaring Knight; if Dess is lost to either The Depths or a Dark World it makes sense that the Mayor would isolate herself from the rest of the town, give some excuse and spend the rest of her time researching and opening Dark Worlds in order to try and find her.
If she isn’t looking for Dess; she may be trying to experiment with the Dark Worlds to see if there is some way to cure / resurrect people, (This sort of plays off of Jaru’s “Asriel Is Dead” Theory.) in order to ensure that Rudy lives. She may have not processed Dess’ fate, and is actively trying to make sure that the remnants of her family stay intact.
That theory is insane lmao why would some mom be the knight?
@@goese868 its a very sound theory, actually. all of the plot threads and motivations are in place. she is clearly being set up as some form of antagonist (rudy's mentions of her being "harsh" on noelle, her potential parallels with queen, etc.), so i think her being the knight and opening dark fountains to search for dess is a very logical conclusion.
@@goese868 It's not just "some mom". Noelle has clearly been set up to be a major recurring character, even if she isn't part of the main trio. Noelle's sister is missing, her father is sick and possibly dying, and the entire Snowgrave route exists to traumatize her further. Having one of the main villains be directly related to her would make sense.
Hot Take: Deltarune will have 1 ending the same way Undertale's Geno/True Pacifist technically did.
I.e. a human entered the Underground, and the Underground went Empty.
The same conclusion, but with WILDLY different contexts
I think it's more like the Neutral routes of Undertale. While those 2 can be described like that, they are still fundamentally different endings. One destroying the world, the other freeing all monsters. The neutral routes are very different, but the ending itself is generally the same. Asgore dies, Frisk escapes, and the monsters stay trapped. Despite this, they still have very big differences in the path to this one ending. In Deltarune, the Roaring is guarantied to happen, and the three will stop it. The circumstances of your path can vary, but it will lead to the same end.
the fucking jerujeruj predator fade in's... filled my soul with joy.
Hot take: Queen’s humour > Spamton’s humour, and she deserves MUCH more meme presence in the fan base.
Hot-take: The song Onion-son heard was from Shyren, not a dark world.
Onion-son in the very same conversation mentions that he wants to start a band. And Shyren is in the hospital for "losing her voice" in chapter 2, but is nowhere to be found in the same building the day before in chapter 1. It's also implied that the d##d older sister who was a singer in the graveyard is likely the older sister of Shyren, handily explaining why the song Onion-son heard sound vaguely nostalgic, she was singing a song by her older sister that was very popular in Hometown in the past.
It's not impossible that there's a dark world in or around the lake, and it's not even impossible make it interesting to the wider story, but I just don't think it's very likely. If there really are only seven chapters, given how we already know what the chapter 3 dark world will be, that leaves only four chapters of dark worlds left to fill in (assuming chapter 7 will have a unique dark world, which is unlikely, because the roaring is almost certain to happen, and it's a very obvious subject for one of the last chapters. And both could be fit in, but it might come off as bloated, sense the beginning of the roaring is a very sensible place to start a chapter). Without even talking about the obvious pics of the church, the bunker, and Noelle's house, there's also the room in the back of the second floor of Asgore's shop. Whether it be a greenhouse, or simple supply closet, the potential gardening supplies that could be in there could set up a great theme for a dark world, and if the trend of the dark world Adventure focusing on a character learning to face and overcome the struggles and hardships in their life, Asgore, an ex-husband with a struggling business, is a perfect character for this. And if the trend I mentioned before holds up, some location in the house of pretty much any character in hometown could be perfectly suited (I for one would like for Monster Kid and Snowdrake to learn to not be so afraid of Susie, since they are implied to be Kris's other friends). We're not exactly in need of filler chapters, especially not for a place that's only foreshadowed in an optional dialogue for a character that's clearly meant to have their own story.
I feel like most people just assume this is foreshadowing a dark world because they're so wrapped up in the main plot that any bit of foreshadowing for what could happen in the future it's interpreted through that lens. Meanwhile, chapter 2 set up the trend of optional dialogue from previous chapters getting built upon to create small side stories, a detail that could play very well into themes of escapism vs reality, potentially squeezing in the side message that reality can be just as interesting as fiction if you're willing to look. In this way, It's almost kind of fitting that people are expecting the foreshadowings tie into the main plot, instead of just being a continuation of the side story they already chose to partake in. It's kind of poetic.
Personally, when I first heard Onion-son mention the song in the lake, my first thought wasn't "OMG, DARK WORLD!" but "Oh, can't wait to see his band."
I actually really enjoyed this take. Admittedly I haven’t really thought about the song from the sea too much (not because I don’t think it’s gonna be important. There are just so many different things to theorize about! Hard to keep track of it all) and I haven’t seen too many people talking about it (beyond “it’s a darkworld.”). I appreciate that the story’s themes (so far) were actually taken into account because, as you said, some people just brush those aside while theorizing. Which imo often results in theories that are either really generic or waaaaaay off-the-walls. Not knocking a good ol’ wild and quirky theory here and there but I personally prefer ones like these, that are more grounded in the actual text. I could actually see the story going in this direction and IF it does, I think it would work really well.
Personally I feel like the element system argument doesn’t really work when Elementals are applied to items rather than individual party members
Like yeah Susie’s offensive spells deal damage of the “Rude element”, but that and Noelle’s ICE spells are the only elements we’ve seen that aren’t associated with a specific item or enemy
Less of a Hot Take and more my vision on who the Knight is. I still hold onto the idea that Papyrus will be revealed to be the Knight and that his role will be a parallel to his relationship with Flowey with a new character. I mean think about it, in UT Papyrus was in a position where he could make friends, have a goal, and even then he struggled to have any real friends outside of Undyne whos a semi mentor. We know most UT characters in Deltarune share similar vibes to their UT counterparts like Asgore not being with Toriel, and Undyne being given a leadership role for the sake of everyone. With this in mind it's like Deltarune Papyrus likely shares the issues UT has where he has little friends, a bit bumbling in his goals, but now without a real goal since the Royal Guard doesn't exist. I envision this making Papyrus more of a recluse after failing to interact with people and after a while kinda gives up on trying. With this I could see Papyrus either stumbling into a dark world in his room similar to Kris and Susie in the school. There a darkner with a similar situation as Ralsei becomes his first real friend and with it slowly convinces Papyrus to keep opening fountains and helping this character achieve the goal of causing the Roaring using Papyrus like a pawn in his game of chess.
I would hate it if the game ends in a 'you're wrong for playing lol', regardless of what players do as the soul, that doesn't take away from the fact that without it Kris is kind of a zombie of dubious goals so far, plus, it would suck for a game to reprimand you for playing, and while I don't mind it in undertale's genocide route in a game that will supposedly have one ending to have the only possible ending be 'you suck and you're evil' would be absolute dogshit.
agreed, like we didnt choose kris we made a whole vessel for ourselves
I don't think chapter 3 will have a weird route.
the player have already manipulated Noelle into killing others by convincing her that it'll make her stronger, so manipulating Toriel into doing the same thing by convincing her that she is protecting her child from harm by doing so isn't a far-fetched possibility, it would also be a perfect callback to Undertale Toriel's overprotective nature and her unwillingness to let go
Also there's apparently a sprite of Tasque on fire in the game files so there's also that
@@quacadoodle3839why would task be a chapter 3 enemy tho
@@anbon4985 I dunno
Probably for testing fire animation or something
Yeah, i get a feelign that the weird route is going to be a bit unpredictable. Might not show up every chapter, might not play out the same as snowgrave did either.
6:26 Count on Jaru to have almost all the worst takes
I like his theories but
yeah
Straight up
his voice was annoying too
Mine is Jevil > Spamton, I used to be a lot stronger on this take before I replayed Chapter 2 but I still prefer Jevil, I love the chaotic jester aesthetic and his outlook on life is more appealing , “The world is just a game so I’ll just play play, everyone else is trapped, I’m the only one that is free”, plus I like his theme more, The World Revolving has such á nostalgic impact on me (yes, I know 2018 wasn’t that long ago but I still have nostalgia for it and I can’t help that), plus his character design might be my favourite in all of the Tobyverse
Jevil has optimistic nihilism.
Spamton wants to break free from the deterministic chains of his situation.
Also, Jevil feels a lot more nostalgic for me, since we see so LITTLE of him. I also greatly love Spamton, however. Toby KNOWS how to write characters, even if his social anxiety almost made him scrap Spammy.
I prefer spamtom as a character, but Jevil's fight is better in my point of view, Spamton feels more interesting, there's more information about him, so there is more information to have meaningful questions, if that makes any sense. I also like the parallel with Spamton and Kristopher
tbh both are great
The guy who called Sweet capn cakes overrated is such a hater. I want a game about them
same I love them
not sure how hot this take is, but the chapter 3 secret boss is 100% gonna be the knockoff controller
Not really a hot take, just a theory I believe in. Because Toby used to work on Homestuck, I believe Deltarune is a pre-scratch or post-scratch timeline of undertale.
I've been waiting for someone to say this, it's how I understand the relationship between UT and DR
Hot take #1: Sweet Cap'n Cakes and K. Round are the strongest characters because first they can't be killed no matter how hard you hit them and they have milk. The best item in the game. It's so good you can't use the milk in battle. Only them.
Hot Take #2: The knight might be a new character that MAYBE breaks the 4th wall and thinks of the Deltarune universe as just a game A BIT similar to Jevil. Honestly Idk now what to say...
help-
So wouldn't K Round be the most powerful character as well?
Deltarune and Omori may have very similar stories
I laughed so hard when I found out the Snowgrave route existed because I spent my entire first playthrough of chapter 2 complaining about Berdly's existence to my friend, even to the point of saying "Oh I HOPE I get to kill him", albeit extremely ironically and jokingly.
how are the romances in UTDR simplistic 😭 toriel and asgores breakup was so interesting and engaging and tied into the plot well, alphys and undyne was a side story but still focused on alphys learning to love herself and tackle her lying, and suselle is just a really wholesome crush?? Not to mention the queer representation being great and really important for games and media. It seems odd to criticize romances in UTDR when they’ve mostly been side things, and the biggest one being a COMPLEX and messy divorce
Even as an aromantic person, I still think it’s really good. I mean, the game itself is heavily centred around the characters and their relationships, so it just makes sense, y’know?
Spamton was a Cat because Catti's dad was a part of the group that designed Neo
This is your best video yet, I agree with pretty much everything you said. The pacing was great, I loved the script, background imagery, the humour, music; just.. really, really great job with this one. I'm happy to be here
I have a few hot takes.
1. The soul color for deltarune chapter 3 is purple because jevil uses the red soul like asgore, then spamtom uses the yellow soul like mettaton. These two bosses are going down in descending order.
2. There are elleven chapters. I think this because there are ten non houses on the map and the up coming festival
3. The vessel at the beginning of the game is the knight because it could be what is controlling kris behind the scenes when we are not in control and is opening dark worlds to release itself to cause the roaring
My hot take? I don't see how it would be important, but there WILL be a chapter starring the ghost cousins.
I don't see Toby revering the two best trans rep i've seen in gaming to their past miserable selves without a good reason.
Also Mew Mew has been pushed as part of the main cast in the newsletters, bit weird for Toby to do this if he's not gonna use the character later.
a lot of the people in home town are not doing too well and they cant all reasonably be featured in a dark world. Might be a case where for most of them, their story is going to slowly progress in the background of each chapter.
@@blackbloom8552 true, I'm mostly copping hard because I always thought Blooky and especially Mad were an under utilized characters. I do have some crackpot conspiracies on how it could work, as in:
"MAYBE the ghosts raised Susie as tutors, Wich MAYBE explains why she acts like that in CH1, being stuck at a pathetic house with these 3 in their curent state, Wich MAYBE explains why Napstablook felt like he had to become a cop to sustain everyone, and MAYBE clamgirl saying Suzy was the neighbor's kid meant she's mad's kid as her house is closest to clam girl", so on and so forth.
I know it's stupid, the ghosts would have commented on Susie's presence when visiting em, and her not calling her parents implies she's at least an orphan, maybe homeless.
Again, it's cope, but man would I be happy to see all 3 ghosts have a bigger role.
@@olderspice8457Imagine if the reason Susie eats chalk, moss, etc is because they only have ghost sandwiches
I've got a few hot takes, I guess.
I think theories that rely more on the text and deltarunes themes than the lore are the better theories overall, and many theorists are focusing too much on the lore aspect when they come up with new theories.
As of now, I don't like Suselle that much. They're still pretty akward and didn't have that many meaningful, and more importantly natural feeling interactions outside of the ferria wheel scene, and even that was pretty akward still.
And lastly, if you think about it, Susie and Kris became friends a bit too quickly.
They didn't really have that many genuene interactions, with us controlling Kris and all, plus Ralsei did the most work in regards of friendship building.
For the theory thing, but lore and text should be accounted for, not just one or the other. And for the last 2 I feel it mostly just comes down to personal opinion. I do think chapter 1 was a bit too short and could’ve been fleshed out a bit better, but I think Susie’s arc was good and we will probably see more about her in later chapters.
@@TJ-hg6op Totally valid.
I don't know if it was clear or not, but the last two were just my opinion, actually all of them were. I thought that is what hot takes are supposed to be, but I don't have much experience with actually sharing mine, so maybe I did something wrong.
Edit: I think I interpreted what you were saying wrong, and you were just saying that we just have different opinions, my bad.
I also want to clarify I really love the friendship between the fun gang, and for a while Susie was my favourite character until I couldn't decide which one of the three I liked the most (I also like Noelle, just not the ship).
I still think if I distance myself from how I see them, especially Kris and Susie, they did interact, but not to the extend I normally would believe they could become as casual with each other as they are in chapter two. But maybe that's just who Susie is. They do have a history before Deltarune after all, and there are hints in chapter one that Susie might want to get closer to Kris, and vice versa.
Lastly about the theory thing, I'm not saying we shoud disregard the lore, but it's not very helpful to only look at the lore instead of the text if you want to know where the story is going.
Relying only on the lore just turns into a checkbox of questions that have to be answered, while so far, most theories/ analysis that include the text more that I've seen were more helpful in that regard, and even complimented the lore at some points.
A bit different, but one specific text analysis that was really helpful was Shadow of Roserades Knife analysis.
Essentially the Knife can be read as a symbol of self harm.
That might be pretty obvious said like that, but what this theory managed to do, which others couldn't, because they felt more like a checkbox for lore answers, was to make me believe Kris could be the Knight.
That's not what the theory is about, but when you use it in this context, you get a far more compelling narrative than the speculations for why Kris is doing this, at least in my opinion (mainly because I'm a sucker for symbolism).
FNAF caused this.
In FNAF1 a bite is mentioned. In FNAF4 we see someone get bitten. These should be the same event narratively because anything else would be extremely unsatisfying.
But no, FNAF4's bite is a different bite and the one mentioned in FNAF1 ended up being completely irrelevant to the overall story despite being one of the very first things mentioned in the entire franchise.
People had already thought that there could be two bites based on lore details in FNAF4 but because of how narratively stupid this is, people were hesitant to believe it... until it was confirmed.
So now the FNAF community has to make theories based entirely on lore evidence and can't use logical deduction or narrative cohesion because it was proven that the former matters more.
And then every indie game started copying FNAF's homework and decided to tell their stories entirely in random background details or other roundabout ways instead of just telling it.
Due to fandom overlap, i think this mindset for theorizing seeped into deltarune discussion too, even though Toby isnt like that. Usually. (gaster...)
agree, especially on the last one. While it's not a huge deal, I feel like it would've been better to have her gradually become more friendly and maybe reach this point at Chapter 3-4. Besides the Noelle stuff, Susie already seems like she's finished her initial arc and just kinda exists for Chapter 2.
@@jefferyandbob3137 Especially with the fact Susie and Kris have had a past, and a not so good one either. With Kris being the main target of her bullying. I wish chapter 1 ended with less of a perfect resolution, but rather more of a gateway for them to build their friendship further.
My hot take is that despite everyone praising Toby fox for the amazing story-writing, nobody in the fandom actually expects anything but the norm from him, and that's an issue. For example, everyone treats Gaster's role in the story as if it's an incredibly important and ongoing mystery, while treating things like the overall moral of Deltarune's story like it's obvious. All false.
You have to go out of your way in Deltarune to learn stuff about Gaster and he isn't directly relevant to the character arcs yet either, so if there's ever a real explanation for both of them, it's not gonna be some grand reveal in chapter 7. Likewise, nobody knows what the moral of the story in Deltarune is or if there IS one, and people building every single theory around the idea that "Your choices don't matter" is delusional.
Toby is a good writer so he can't possibly follow narrative tropes like following up on an obvious mystery set up in the very first scene of the game? (Even if you don't know about all the connections that the vessel creation voice has to Gaster it is still an extremely in your face question mark.) Or do you think that sequence was all just a red herring? (and the Gaster connections are there to troll the fandom?)
@@TurretBot Oh, I don't think it's a red herring or anything, but I also think that, simply due to the fact that everything about him in Deltarune is in the form of optional dialogue and secret bosses, any significant revelation at the end will be optional/secret as well. In other words, it doesn't seem like he's being built up as the main antagonist, a legendary deity, or even Sans's dad.
To elaborate, I think that Gaster will be basically insignificant to the story's end unless you get all of the shadow crystals, which makes sense considering we already have other antagonistic characters to think about: The Knight, maybe Kris (Plus Ralsei, potentially).
With the kris knight thing, I personally feel like it is still a great possibility for the future of deltarune. There are FAR too many people writing it off as literally impossible despite it have the most evidence for it out of all of the other options. Yes, it isn’t guaranteed and I do have my doubts, but it still would make sense considering Kris’ rebellion vs the player (Maybe the snowgrave could lead to us working towards the knight’s goal). Its surprising how that theory is now considered a hot take when I thought it was heavily implied.
Yes.
Its plausible, but im not really sure it actually adds to the antagonistic relationship kris and the player already have. Wether kris is the knight or not, that conflict will most probably be a major focus of the late chapters so making kris the kngiht feels more likes its taking away possible plot points rather than adding them.
Then again, i would concede that making kris the knight would greatly streamline the transition to the endgame so not wholly negative.
@@blackbloom8552 I just cannot see anything the Knight NOT being Kris adds to the story. So I lack insight on how it takes away from anything.
This plot already has a lot of threads, and the Knight being someone else just starts to make it feel cluttered to me.
kright does not have the most evidence
@@udram47thelowercaseguy They are the only person who has actually made a dark fountain, they fit perfectly the whole “you need determination to make a fountain,” they definitely seem to have the motive (going against the player’s goal), it would make sense narratively, who else has the most evidence?
My hot take that I rant about constantly; Gaster isn't the man behind the tree handing out random eggs, it's the Everyman.
tbh its papyrus
I really hope the Knight looks like our Vessel character but in a red cloak (because swag points)
Hottake: Kris = Chara in the most literal sense possible. Kris just is the deltarune version of Chara. Their different appearance can easily be explained by a difference in age and sun exposure. And their different name can be chalked up to Chara's name being changable (we can literally chose their name in Undertale and while Chara might be "the true name" that doesn't mean that in an alternate timeline Kris can't be "the true name). Meanwhile they have an incredible amount in common with each other. Both are the adoptive human children of the Dreemurrs, both are very close to Asriel, both are troublemakers, both like knifes, both seem to hate humans.
Third Entity Theory is more hated than it deserves to be.
I don't believe in it myself, but I feel there's too many people quick to shut it down simply because they don't like the idea of it being true. It hurts the potential for genuine discussion about what's going on with Kris.
It just lessens the character of kris
My issue with third entity theory is that it just overcomplicate an already complex conflict. The player and kris are both compelling and nuanced characters and i think adding a third secret vilain to the mix just reduce the agency and depth of either side. Currently its kind of just a scapegoat to any action that players neither want to attribute to kris or themselves.
@5:57-.-Him knowing about this in the normal route but not in the weird route could also indicate that he can see whatever happens when the camera cuts away from him and Kris, which is still very weird.
I highly agree that we should look towards casual playthroughs in order to get a better understanding of where the story is going. Like the Knight Kris theory, the fact that 90% of people who play this game casually think Kris is the Knight and/or is evil I think is a good indicator on what Toby Fox wants us to think at the moment. Another example I would like to posit is Vinesauce Joel, who did an entire stream talking about how he thinks this weird "Gaster" character no one has heard of is the bad guy. He pointed to older JRPGs games like Final Fantasy as examples, with how main villains are often hidden in the background early on and get slowly built up. It was honestly really cool seeing someone who doesn't know anything about the extended lore try to make a Deltarune Theory.
I'm going to share my theory here too. Well, it's more of an observation that I believe no one has made yet, perhaps because it's not explicitly stated.
We're not the first ones controlling Kris.
This has nothing to do with another entity that controls Kris alongside us existing or nonexisting. Just that there was another force that was often put in the birdcage before us. Dunno if it was a different soul, perhaps it's the same but just before the player was put in control. That old force is now also not in control of Kris (my bet is that they're all gone, or someone like the Knight perhaps).
There's a lot that confirms this observation and a lot of implications, but i never sorted my thoughts on them. All i know is that the only way this is wrong would be if the player was non-diagetic, which is possible, but funnily enough no one has theorised this option afaik. Maybe it's easy to disprove, or maybe we're still stuck thinking of deltarune as undertale 2.
Yeah thats what Ive been wondering to since the beginning.
The whole birdcage thing does seem to imply that the possession has been going on for a lot longer than we are playing the game.
As far as I see it there are only two options:
1. Kris has been possesed by another entity before that the player has "replaced".
2. The entity controlling Kris isnt actually meant to be the player in universe and we are only playing as that entity on a meta level, like any other video game protagonist.
Either way its still a really big mistery.
Well, that's Asriel, duh
just replying in case you ever feel like expositing more on this theory
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I just got reminded of this comment because of you and I actually have additional thoughts:
What If we got it all backwards? What If the entity thats controlling Kris isnt actually the soul that gets put in the birdcage?
I think Kris is posessed by some sort of possibly chara like entity that would occasionally overpower Kris and put their soul in the birdcage. We, the player, havent actually replaced the entity as the Person controlling Kris, we have replaced Kris as person fighting against that entity (as evidenced by us overwriting Kris' name in the savefile when first saving the game and us being able to controll the soul while its stuck in the birdcage and During gameplay.
So basically Kris got posessed somehow leading Kris and that entity to fight over controll of Kris body and now that we have taken over Kris the entity is now fighting against us.
This explains the birdcage, why Kris moves like a zombie without soul and all the bad stuff Kris does during the endings of the chapters.
@@tobiasbayer4866 Kris can still express themselves though, like after the Spamton fight, so idk about that theory
Not sure if it's a hot take, but I think Chara won't have a huge role in Deltarune. Personally I think Kris is meant to be deltarunes Chara and frisk (since most undertale characters have some form of alternate version of themselves in deltarune)
Small continuation, there just are so many connections to both Chara and frisk in Kris that fit in with how deltarune changes its untertale characters
I think that if chara is going to be in deltarune, it would be in the role of am best friend or roommate that Asriel meet at college.
If it was true, the way chara would appear would or be be Asriel mentioning them in a random conversation with kris or Toriel and nothing much.
Or chara still has an bad relationship with most people(humans) and decide to go with Asriel in his vacation and we would have an chapter with Chara and Asriel when he come back.
While both could be truth (or none if Chara doesn't know Asriel), I like the possibility of the two meeting each other and we could see their relationship (an healther one).
It could show how they acted in Undertale, but now without being trap in a magical barrier.
It would be fun to see Kris and Chara meeting, as kris almost never see humans (only in a book that they closed for just seeing them) and maybe never meet one, and Chara has an complicated relationship with them, but even when they don't like each other they would still try to get along because of Asriel.
To say the truth, I think kris is an new character, but if they had to be one of the humans (I don't think they could be both) it would be frisk.
They have similar names, same skin tone, same - - face and more
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And while I could see frisk not appearing in Deltarune if kris is a new character, chara is a little too important to just be kris or an form of them.
@ViniciusDiasissy the idea of Chara being asriels roomate is actually pretty cool, surprised this is the first time I've heard it!
@@theeyes7200I think that would be an awesome way to include chara without making em too important in the story. Also I heard a theory that kris is literally just frisk and I think it is really plausible.
I fucking HATE the “third entity” shit. It’s the Chara thing all over again. Players purposely misinterpret the point of what the player character does in order to take responsibility off of themselves. Kris does not have some evil third entity inside them, they’re lashing out because they’re hurting and can’t vocalize what they’re going through, and they’re going through you controlling them. That’s the end of it.
People just feel bad so they blame kris' reaction to us hurting them on someone else causing them to act out. It's so stupid.
The character you called "Unnecessary baggage" is one of the most interesting character in Undertale
I feel like chara will be in Detlarune but they won’t be important like they will be like a freind asriel brings home from college or somthing
@@lordoffrost6264 that would oblitirate the timeline
Oblivion Theory clears
clearly Ganondorf is the final boss :)
I think just about all the ships and pairings should by the end of the game be under the players control. So people who want Susie and Noel and people who want everyone with Nubert (The correct ship) so no one sulks over choices that I personally feel don't matter.
Hot Take: I think The Knight can actually be a Darkner and that I am interested in the story implications. Like maybe The Knight had an agreement with a Lightner like Gerson or Dess to be sacrificed for their soul, thus enabling the Knight to create Dark Fountains and the sacrificed Lightner being the Angel.
Hot take: Chara (and maybe Frisk) will appear in Deltarune, but just as "Asriel's friends that he made in the university" and not as important characters
Asriel could say something like:
"Also Kris I met another human while i was studying. They looked like you and made me feel less alone."
This could happen, because in Undertale Chara and Asriel were BEST FRIENDS.
And if it happens, then "Kris is Patience" makes more sense. Because the Patience soul was the first human adopted by Toriel. And Kris is, mostly 100%, adopted.
Hot Take/theory: the purpouse of chapters 1-6 is to get as many people as possible to be excited to play chapter 7. chapter 7 will release april 13th 2029 and will contain a copy of Sburb. this is all part of toby's 20 year plan to save as many peopleas possible from the apocalypse/apophis asteroid. he influenced hussie to write Homestuck to serve as an instruction manual.
I think technically around 70% of Deltarune theories wouldn't exist if Toby just released the whole 7 chapters at once, the chapters release format may have flaws but it's the thing that has been the community more active,way they leave room for and speculation and a little bit of misconception (which is perfect for theory crafting) is what gives charm of mystery to this game
exactly!! if the chapters released in any other way i think the fandom would be almost dead by now. like yeah it kinda sucks to wait but it's also really awesome, i've loved reading everyone's theories over these years
It's not a binary choice. A hybrid of both systems would've been better. They could've developed most of the game in advance, which would allow each chapter to release much sooner.
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Gaster is going to be the chapter 7 secret boss and not the big bad of the whole game
Most of the references to Gaster happen with the secret bosses, like the whole Spamton thing with the phone noise, And Jevil going crazy so I think we will likely see two stories in a way
Either that or the weird route final boss
my (maybe) hot take is that we're gonna have to wait 2 more years for chapters 3 and 4 so they can be released on the ten year anniversary
hot take: i hope gaster doesn't appear in delatrune since i could lead him losing a lot of his mystery if they try to expand on him
Kris basically is Omori.
whos Omori?
Not even joking I just want someone to make a Kris did it theory
Wasnt there a tweet by toby saying that another game dev was making a game creepily similar to what he was making back when both Deltarune was first convicted and Omori was announced?
@@embryodemocracy1275kris pushed asriel down the stairs and noelle saw it (real)
@@TJ-hg6op I meant with Dess not Asriel.
Here's my two cents, though I'm probably not the first to suggest it.
Ralsei isn't a projection of Asriel, he's actually a projection of Kris as the "perfect son" to Toriel and Asgore. This follows the idea that Kris is actually quite insecure about being the only human in his family, so Ralsei is meant to be his "optimal self" (the bookish nerd to Asriel's implied outgoingness) so they're still effectively paired with eachother.
If Ralsei is meant to be Asriel's projection, I don't see why Kris' affinity to Ralsei woukd he so low, unless he was effectively a "better" version of Kris, something that would freak me out infinitely more personally.
I honestly dont think Kris is the knight, but we're only in CHAPTER 2 OUT OF 7 ONES. I think we should just wait for the new chapters to come out for more clues and stuff so we can make sure of what we are talking about
Hot take: The 2 narrators at the beginning of the game are Gaster and Kris. Kris decided to work with gaster to summon the player to control Kris' soul and hopefully prevent the roaring. The save file at the beginning of the game shows Kris could save, possibly meaning Kris has reloaded after dying to the roaring
But why do they seem to rebel against the SOUL? Are they just trying to keep us on the right track?
@rcutler9 Kris studied occult according to the cat girl so that males sense
there's no need for actual Gaster fight, because he's to powerful for that. you aren't supposed to have ANY chance to beat up Gaster in a normal way
I mean, what you said about papyrus knight is exactly how i feel about kris knight, for something that's meant to be a mystery, kris knight is way too obvious for it to feel satisfying when it's confirmed later, if, however, they use kris as a red herring for most of the game, that would be better.
I always assumed Spamton's "communion" and "heaven" lines heavily imply the Knight is a holy figure, most likely a priest...
Hot take: Gyftrot is Rudy's father-in-law, and both Dess and the mayor take after him.
I'll throw in my hot take: I'm not a huge fan of the episodic nature approach this game has been taking with it's story.
Like I initially preferred it to Undertale since Chapter 1 gave the impression that it was going to be a more ambitious story but then Chapter 2 came out and, while still good, it seemed more keen on just doing Chapter 1 again (getting thrown in jail, fighting a card-themed ruler, heroes saved by the enemies, cliffhanger with Kris using a knife).
The story just didn't feel like it progressed much if at all and I'm worried the game is just going to keep repeating the same series of events over and over until the last two chapters with casts of mostly throwaway characters that won't matter outside of their chapter.
[into the mind intensifies at 1% volume]
my NOT HOT, OBJECTIVELY CORRECT,DARE I SAY EVEN COLD take: spookydood is the best deltarune theorist for all scenarios.
Can't believe you copied Shayy, who copied Arlo, who copied Karsten Runquist, who copied Anthony Fantano!
Hottake here: all secret bosses will have different soul mechanics, jevil got the red soul, Spamton got the yellow soul.
while i get not wanting another sympathetic villains, idk, i would love to have the knight ally with us and end up becoming a good guy in the end.
though who knows, since deltarune is doing the opposite of what UT did i wouldn't be surprised if the true ending was a snowgrave route and every other ending was fake in universe or smt.
I feel like recruiting the knight would be a bit to cliche and I doubt it would actually happen, and I don’t think Toby would blatantly say only one ending is canon (unless there WAS literally only one ending shown in game.)
Hottake: kris did not open the first fountain in chapter 1 but opened the chpater 2 one because they want to try to use the fountain to some how get rid of the player
2:13 i want chara to show up for like 10 seconds as asriels roomate in college or smthn 😭
I really think the community should stop making theories about every single detail, not because I hate it, but because two reasons.
1. We only have a demo, not even half of the game, and you want to predict the whole game with just tiny pieces of information.
2. I'm so scared of the chance that one of the thousands of theories that are being working on or are already done may actually be correct, we will have eaten the biggest spoiler of the game and maybe ruin the surprise that was that finale Toby wants to do.
there much more to a story than just a surprise. Just because you can guess how it end, doesn't mean the journey wasn't worth taking. Didnt toby tell us himself that there might be things more important than reaching the end?
I dunno, I feel like Not What He Seems was _improved_ by some choice Gravity Falls fans figuring out the twist beforehand
Hot take/Theory: The chapter structure was done on purpose to make fun on games like Bendy and the Ink Machine and Banban. either it was ahead of it's time (since Deltarune released before the Mascot Horror craze), or just a funny coincidence, but an interesting coincidence at that
Hot take: We will never see how Gaster looks like, we will only see how he looked before the core incident.
if kris is the knight it'll be like reading a murder mystery novel but you see the murderer commit murder
Which, as we all know, breaks one of Knox's 10 Commandments and one of Van Dine's Rules - since we are technically allowed to "read" Kris' thoughts....
My hot take: "Kris is the Knight" will be used for dramatic irony, because it's not supposed to be climatic twist for the players, but for the other main characters
Here's my own Hot Take: there's a very high possibility Napstablook is the officer sent to the Dreemur house instead of Undyne. Think about it, we know that the station has two officers. Undyne and Napstablook. But there's also the Deltarune Dog Guard (I don't remember if we have a name for their group in DR) who are currently in the cell, a cell that if we talk to Undyne gets opened and the prisoners escape from. Even if the player doesn't go to the station and talk to Undyne, the fact that it was as simple as Undyne smashing her desk to launch the key perfectly into the cell door and open it means to me, it's very likely Toby could pull the rug and have Undyne chasing after the escaped prisoners and send Napstablook to check in on the Dreemur residence.
hot take: sans undertale isn't gonna be in a dark world unless there's one based on the town festival and (are you ready for the actually hot part of the take) he's going to look exactly the same as normal. this will have no significance
4:46 okay this take is actually very revolting, their music theme is so good what are y'all talking about?
I’m not a huge fan of their theme to be honest, but “WELCOME TO THE CITY” is great.
3:08 the roaring NULL
As a deltanerd who recently started Twitter for some reason beyond my grasp, I wish I was able to reply to your tweet asking for Deltarune hot takes. So... here's MY hot take:
The combat, despite its many flaws, is still one of the most unique and enjoyable systems in place, because the party members and the enemies they fight actually FEEL like characters and not stepping stone enemies that are engaged in a generic JRPG-type battle.
hot take: in the school project the lancer fan club will show off jevil and spamton
ho take: the identity of the knight is not going to be as important as everyone thinks it is.
I personally believe it will be a new character entirely to avoid people getting mad because it wasn't who they think it was.
my hot take is that the bunker dark world should be themed around fallout and other post nuclear war story tropes cause like, that's what bunkers are most tied to. Plus you can still have it tie into stuff like angels heaven and the like given the genre it'd be referencing is POST APACOLYPSE if anything those two would pair together really well, actually
shayy video lol (/j) (good video even though i havent wathced this yet)
2:01 i need a video of this if it hasnt already been made
post video: it was infact a good video i agree with basically everything you said
Me hoping that Papyrus is The Knight so we can have the Papyrus fight I've always dreamed of
My hot take is that Kris opens the dark fountains in search of Dess.
Hottake: A Real Boy! is probably in my top 10 Deltarune songs so far.
My hot take is that Susie's characterization in Chapter 1 is unbearable and is the main reason that I've only replayed Chapter 1 once as opposed to to Chapter 2, which I've replayed something like 8 times. Coincidentally, Susie's newer characterization is one of the main reasons I love Chapter 2 so much. Susie's kind of been the make it or break it element of Deltarune for me so far.
her threats in chapter 1 are also shallow and definitely a front. Just because she’s less conflicted with everyone doesn’t mean she isn’t interesting
Can you do a video reviewing/talking about Vision Crew's Deltarune? I've been curious to hear your thoughts about it.
13:31 nah dawg, this game was made to warehouse a fever dream that toby fox had 10+ years ago. there’s no way LMFAO
Probably just me but i really don't want gaster to gain ANY relevance in basic surface deltarune plot. I want him to remain as a mistery in game files and that's that. Basically how it's been going since undertale and until chapter 2 - there's a normal game that every player will see, and there's a whole other world that you need to go dig through via game files, meta narrative, and outside the game whatsoever.
Thanks for adding me in 👍🏼 amazing video like always
new fear unlocked: kris is the knight theory is true
Hot take #1: The knight is a teenager. As far as we know at the moment there is no benefit to anyone if the roaring happens, so why would anyone want to cause it? Susie and Noelle give us a pretty good reason to open dark worlds, but I can’t see a grown adult looking at the risk/reward ratio and proceeding to open a dark fountain. I have no doubt that a teenager would look at the same ratio, and disregard it completely because “I won’t let that happen, I got this.” Also if the knight wanted to cause the roaring, why not just open 2 dark fountains in rapid succession? My theory, is that the knight is a socially awkward teenager who wants to befriend the Fun Gang and is going about that by playing the villain for them to defeat. And thus the roaring will not be caused by malice or ignorance, but by wild overconfidence.
Hot take #2: Papyrus is the knight. This is a weak theory, as it relies on the last theory being true. But in Undertale Papyrus lacks social skills,is lonely, indulges in small fantasies he fully admits aren’t true and is very determined. Add in teenage shyness and underdeveloped critical thinking skills, and the awkwardness of moving to a new town and we have the makings of a Roaring Knight. Though, this only works if Papyrus is a teenager.
Hot take #3: We shouldn’t discount Kris is the knight theory, they’re the best candidate we have and the strongest counter evidence is narrative based. But, if Kris wants to stop the Knight, opening a dark fountain before they have a chance to is not a bad idea. It’s not the best idea, but it puts the knight on the back foot. There’s a lot of information to be gained from the Knight’s reaction to what Kris has done. I also think that if Kris’s goal is to stop the Knight, doing something crazy like opening a dark fountain to see how the knight reacts is in character for them. And I mean crazy like, out of left field, not crazy like insane.
Hm, fair and valid points and opinions, these were very interesting topics and can see where you’re coming from with these too, i wonder if you’ll do more of these.
By the way, you said the evidence that disproves Kris as the Knight doesn’t really matter, in what way exactly?
I think chapter 0 will be a fight against Gaster (In chapter one there is a song in the files called W.ogg, chapter 2 has D.ogg, 3 will have G.ogg, chapter 4 will have A.ogg, 5 will have S.ogg, 6 will have T.ogg, 7 will have E.ogg, and 0 will have R.ogg. Chapter 0 does make sense because in the files there’s a chapter intro with “chapter 0” on the bottom)
I actually think that Chapter 0 has a high likelihood of happening. Especially because there's SOOOO much that happened before the story that's so important. Of course, there are so many questions, like "if there's a Chapter 0, when Kris was a kid, how are we controlling them? Do we play as someone else?" Regardless, I think Chapter 0 is a cool idea.
@@spookydood5500Another idea: Gaster will be the secret boss of chapter 0. In order to access him you need to find all the Werid routes and eggs. And the main final boss of chapter 0 could be “You” the boss’s name will be the name of the vessel from chapter 1, and the cloths of the vessel. I also think a face off against all bosses/secret bosses could be the secret boss and Gaster could be the last in the boss rush. Also one more thing, I think it would be cool if we got a Snowgrave ending, a weird route ending, and a secret ending.
I don't think it makes sense for ralsei to have heard the prophecy from gaster. I think the prophecy itself definitely originated from gaster, but literally every other character who spoke to gaster in both undertale and deltarune has become a complete shell of their former self either through existentialism or insanity. It's more likely that jevil heard it from gaster and he relayed it to the rest of the darkners. Then the king, who didn't want people to be against the fountains, locked him away