SOURCE: Expansion Big 12 Plans to Add Clemson, Florida State in SHOCKING Realignment Exit from ACC
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- If Florida State and Clemson were added to the Big 12 after being declined by the SEC and Big Ten, it would create a seismic shift in the college football landscape, significantly bolstering the Big 12's competitiveness, financial stability, recruiting appeal, and national reputation.
Competitive Balance
Florida State and Clemson are storied programs with a history of success, particularly Clemson, which has been a national powerhouse in recent years. Their addition would elevate the competitive nature of the Big 12, injecting fresh rivalries and high-stakes matchups. Games against Texas, Oklahoma State, and Baylor would become marquee events, drawing national attention. This heightened competition would not only make the conference more exciting for fans but also prepare all teams for tougher postseason play, enhancing the Big 12's overall performance in bowl games and potential playoff scenarios.
Financial Benefits
The financial implications of adding Florida State and Clemson would be substantial. Both programs have large, dedicated fan bases that would drive increased viewership and attendance. This boost in popularity would likely lead to more lucrative television contracts and sponsorship deals, significantly increasing the revenue pool for the conference. The influx of funds could be used to improve athletic facilities, support student-athletes, and enhance overall program quality across all member schools. This financial stability would solidify the Big 12's position as a top-tier conference.
Recruiting Dynamics
The inclusion of Florida State and Clemson would dramatically enhance the Big 12's recruiting appeal. Top high school prospects would be attracted to the prospect of playing for or against premier programs in high-profile games. This would elevate the talent level across the conference, as more elite athletes would consider the Big 12 a desirable destination. Additionally, the geographical reach of the Big 12 would expand into the southeastern United States, a region known for producing top football talent, further strengthening recruiting pipelines.
National Perception
Adding Florida State and Clemson would significantly boost the Big 12's national reputation. The conference would be viewed as a formidable competitor to the SEC and Big Ten, altering the balance of power in college football. This move would signal the Big 12's commitment to growth and excellence, attracting more media attention and increasing its influence in NCAA governance. The Big 12 would be seen as a dynamic and competitive league, capable of hosting some of the best college football programs in the country.
Conclusion
In conclusion, the addition of Florida State and Clemson to the Big 12, especially after being declined by the SEC and Big Ten, would be transformative. It would enhance the conference's competitive balance, financial health, recruiting appeal, and national perception. The Big 12 would emerge as a stronger and more influential player in college football, capable of challenging the traditional powerhouses and attracting more fans, recruits, and media attention. This strategic move would position the Big 12 for sustained success and prominence in the ever-evolving landscape of college athletics.
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Also Cameron saying the Big 12 is too far for the 15th winningest program that has 15 confence titles and played in 2 national championship games is just silly....there are numerous schools considered better than WVU that have never even got to a national title game in their schools history, come on brother you are better than this.
Yeah, this was an egregious take on his part. Let’s not forget about the 3 BCS bowl wins we had in that era as well
@@bconawa2 Nice wins over Georgia in the Sugar, Oklahoma in the Fiesta and Florida State in the Orange.
Cameron has ZERO clue about West Virginia. WVU can compete in any conference. Big12 a step too far for WVU? Seriously Cameron? That’s one of the dumbest and most ill informed comment I’ve heard all year and it’s laughable 😂
That guy is embarrassing himself with his bias and ignorance about WVU. It's best Drake find better guests than this guy.
WVU has been great in the Big 12. A state that LIVES it's Univeristy sports. They've been my favorite add since they came in 2012. I would HATE to lose them. I'm a KU diehard, and hey've become a great rival for Kansas in Basketball. Self and Huggins like each other real well. They are also very competitive in football. WVU will remain in a major conference, but I hope it's the Big 12.
I'm not sure if he meant what he said or how we're interpreting it. Drake had just made a comparison about wvu and clemson in 2010. WVU just beat Georgia and Oklahoma, both conference champs, in the Sugar and Fiesta bowls respectively. Clemson wasn't even on the scene. They weren't a "brand" yet. His point is that without recent success, are they truly a valuable team? 2 years later in 2012, WVU dropped 70 points on Clemson, acc champs, in the orange bowl. WVU had just beaten the lights out of Georgia, Oklahoma, and Clemson and Drake's buddy just said that the b12 was a "step too far",
He had to have worded it incorrectly, right? He meant to say something different, I'm sure. Hey, guy, can you let us know if we are misinterpreting anything?
Last week Drake said that WVU hadn't ever been in a Power conference until joining the Big 12, and now this guy says that the Big 12 is too much for them to handle?
Clemson, FL State , Miami and Louisville would be great for WVU! Bring them in!!
Not going to happen.
Hate to break it to you guys. THIS AINT HAPPENING! PERIOD!
From what i understand this is not true, this is a rumor going around.
There's far too much Baylor in this video.
ECU has a med school, dental school , and engineering school! Proud of my diploma and 28 ACT score!!!! Go Pirates!
I can see ECU along with Memphis Tulane and App state being replacements for the ACC if/when they lose some members.
@@Rodkicks88 The ACC has already preemptively backfilled with CAL+2.
Miss playing you guys
Good for you, man! ECU is a GOOD and fun school. But I’m dumber aaaand go mountaineers 😂
Yeah as a UCF fan, I don't get HOW after all these years ECU is still a g5!!!
Cam saying the Big XII is too far for WVU? Serious bro? 7-4 versus Baylor. Texas was 5-6 against us all time. WV competed for 2 national championships. 15th winningest record all time. You don’t know ball
Drake you are a clickbait machine.
Not surprising. FSU and Clemson were once in communication with the Big 12 in the early 2000's. I think that was just leverage. Maybe they're using the Big 12 again to leverage a deal with the B1G.
I suspect the same thing. I am curious however if the SEC and B1G really care. Maybe those schools are trying to force the power 2 to make a move like Washington and Oregon did last time around.
They could end up in the Big 12 by default.
That’s exactly what’s happening, or they split up between bigten and sec, fsu to bigten with North Carolina, Virginia and nd
But it’s mutual leverage…
FSU and Clemson get SEC and BigTen to move…
Big12 then might get to move on the mid tier brands that are on par with other Big12 programs.
@@timlamb1156 I doubt that either UNC or ND want anything to do with FSU.
Just think if FSU goes to the big 12, there will be an instant rivalry with CU and Deon. Deon doesn't have a lot of love with with FSU after the norvell hire
This feels like San Diego State on steroids.
It would really help strengthen the east side of the conference. Then also bring in Pitt Louisville Virginia Tech and NC State and Miami.
I agree with Pitt, Louisville and Miami. Not sure about NCState or VT as they really don't bring anything else other than mediocre football.
Way to go guys you make the Big twelve seem so bottom of the barrel ! For someone who represents our League you sure make us sound bad.
I still doubt it happens but I hope it does!
It definitely won't
It comes down to UNC and ND. If both schools just on their slots and want different travel partners then it may be hard for FSU to get into the B1G at this time. Clemson isn't happening unless ND wants it.
@@cacogenicistits gon happen, fsu and clemson dont want a powerhouse conference, like teams u would expect to get in the playoffs, they want a conference where its not too good but not too bad
If Clemson, Florida State, North Carolina, Virginia, Louisville, and Miami joined the Big 12 I could see the Big 12 getting $65 million per school and with Yormark getting the Big 12 more money for basketball the payout per school could be an additional $15-$20 million more! This would make the payout per Big 12 school on par with the SEC and the B1G! Who knows, within a few years, if a few of the Big 12 schools win the national titles in football and basketball the payouts for the Big 12 could be even higher than the SEC and B1G since the Big 12 is already the best conference in basketball and it’s not that far off from the SEC and the B1G in football with the additions of Clemson, Florida State, Miami, and Louisville! I think with the additions of these new schools the future for the Big 12 would take off like crazy! Way more than the SEC and the B1G because this conference has a bunch of schools that are very good in both football and basketball unlike the SEC and the B1G that are very top-heavy with 3-4 schools in those conferences dominating all of the other schools in football and not many of them are top basketball schools! I hope Clemson and Florida State would see the potential of the Big 12 and not think they have to join the SEC or the B1G in order to make a lot of money! Plus, if they joined the Big 12 they would automatically become the top alpha dogs in the conference, but if they joined the SEC or the B1G they could find themselves burried in the depth charts behind schools like Alabama, Georgia, OU, Ohio State, Michigan, and USC just like Arkansas and Nebraska are right now since they have joined the SEC and the B1G respectively!
Miami , Louisville, Florida State and Clempson
North Carolina would be a nice get.
Maybe Miami and Louisville, but this is just bs that the SEC and B1G are stirring. ESPN is involved in this stuff. Do you really think that Clemson and FSU would do this without a landing spot? BTW FSU wasn't that far from AAU status the last time that they applied
Clemson and FSU to the B112 was not impossible. I have posted it in 20 threads on your videos from the first crying by them they wanted to leave the ACC. All the Fanboys and TH-camrs went nuts decrying me in comments. I stated long ago that Clemson and FSU are doing all this to just wind up in the B12 b/c the B10 nor SEC were really interested. The B12 has never showed interest in FSU. The actual schools in the ACC the B10 wants have been known for a decade,,,UNC & UVA are their top choices and Gtech & Miami are second level choices. SEC doesn't need either Clemson or FSU.
Rough show... not realistic. An come on guys, a level of professionalism please.
I question the move to add FSU and Clemson. Why would the Big 12 want their drama? They will bully the other schools. Currently, the Big 12 have schools that understand we are in this together. Why mess it up?
FSU and Clemson are not going to the Big 12.
Drake had just made a comparison about wvu and clemson in 2010. WVU just beat Georgia and Oklahoma, both conference champs, in the Sugar and Fiesta bowls respectively. Clemson wasn't even on the scene. They weren't a "brand" yet. His point is that without recent success, are they truly a valuable team? 2 years later in 2012, WVU dropped 70 points on Clemson, acc champs, in the orange bowl. WVU had just beaten the lights out of Georgia, Oklahoma, and Clemson and Drake's buddy just said that WVU moving to the b12 was a "step too far"...
He had to have worded it incorrectly, right? He meant to say something different, I'm sure.
can't be too bright Baylor?
Dude Florida State and Clemson are locked in grant of rights and tv contract they can't break out if they wanted to. Did anyone read the contract?
Notre Dame big in Texas...I'm not Roman Catholic but they could be the Texas replacement for sure!
It's all about matchups for the networks.What team in the Big12 could either of these teams play that would make you say I GOTTA SEE THAT.Not one team.But I'm the P2 there's many.
What if you don’t watch SEC or BIG football games? I only have so many hours on a Saturday to watch football and I’m not wasting it on a game I give to craps about in the P2. It’s Big12 or nothing
The guest had no football knowledge he had no clue Clemson use not to be good at football. He has no clue that West Virginia has played for national championships. You should have pushed back on him when he said that the Big 12 may be too big for West Virginia that's just ridiculous. You got to learn to push back on people when they say stupid stuff and you know it's stupid for now I'm going to unsubscribe but maybe you get better at your job because at this point it's insulting and very boring show.
Huh. When was the last time WV played for a national championship? Definitively hasn’t happened in the last 35 years.
@@RayPetty-ho9wi You mean 36 years when WVU played Notre Dame for the Natty. In 2007, WVU with an injured QB missed a playoff spot by a gnat's eyelash due to an unexpected upset by a rival.
@@RayPetty-ho9wi 88 and 93. 2007 we would've played tOSU, but somehow we got beat by a lowly 4-7 pitt in the last game of the season. was supposed to be a cakewalk, but got upset in a trap game. Went on to beat Georgia (sec champs) in the sugar bowl
Nebraska has only one true rival, and the Sooners are in the SEC.
OU then MU, both in the SEC now.
I used to watch you until you started pushing fake news. Your titles are so misleading. Got to give u a thumb down
tv gods will make the decision - not acc fans who keep clicking on these podcasts
FSU & Clemson are NOT going to the Big-12 Conference.
lol need shit to talk about.
LOL keep dreaming folks LOL. Not gonna happen
If FSU would've been undefeated in the Big 12, they would've made the playoffs
Nope they’re not Texas
No they didn’t play and beat Alabama. Texas got in cause they beat Bama. The only way to justify putting Bama in was to put Texas in. Stop with the delusion.
I'm so tired of the WVU disrespect. Be better.
Drake pays his rent with FanDuel money 😂
If I was Yormark I seriously doubt Florida State would flip to the Big 12 without giving some MASSIVE unequal payouts that is one reason Texas ruined the conference. So if it were me I'd see if I could add Clemson by themselves and any others willing to come along (Miami, VT Tech, NC State, Louisville, etc)
how you figure?? FSU is NOT worth that much more than Big12 schools, and Colorado is not taking a lower payout when they have more rating per game....
Be great for the conference. EMAW
At least you guys have given Swaim his credit on this; unlike Grayson Boone & Kenton Gibbs (Locked-On Wolfpack).
Calling this: FSU, Clemson, Miami, Louisville, UNC/Duke, Georgia Tech/UVA.
I think if you have FSU, Miami and UCF, you have 3 out of the 4 teams that play in major conferences in the state and you have one of the largest sports markets in the country. I go to UCF and you can't go very far anywhere in the state without seeing either of those schools represented. From a business perspective that would make a lot of sense and $$$ for the next media deal.
Georgia Tech makes sense to have the Atlanta market and they play UGA every year. UVA for the DC market and their education reputation.
I think UNC and Duke is a possibility for basketball. Louisville just to have a team that plays an SEC team every year
NCST? Pitt?
After what feasible chain of events ends with UNC or DUKE in the BIG12?
Cameron I was with you until you said Nebraska is trending over Miami you’re not paying attention when you make a statement like that🤔
I said Norte Dame too but they'd pull Stanford in with them.
Learn how to count, three national championships!!!!!! 1981, 2016, and 2018.
and??
Why would they leave for the same amt of money.. Big 10 will be calling in two years.
There's no way FSU is going through all that to go to the effing BIG-12. This is all nonsense. BIG-12 people taking this seriously are making fools of themselves.
They’re going to pay $100 million to exit fee. On top of that, at best, a negotiated settlement GOR settlement fee.
All to make less money than they would to stay in the ACC, when leaving the ACC was based on getting more money.
It’s not going to happen.
The only reason the recent per school payout at the ACC appears greater than the Big 12 is because all our new members have been given full shares whereas the other conferences pay $0 to 50% to theirs. I personally hate all this but we didn't start the fight. I would love to go back to more regionally based conferences but apparently that doesn't maximize TV viewership. To an extent, eyes on college football is fulfilling as the games in the better time slots will always far outperform low viewership times. Still, this is just a step in the evolving control of college football by corporate interests.
The Big 12s media deal is currently structured off of a 12 team conference, adding FSU and Clemson would increase the CFP payouts to the Big 12, and the Big 12 gets their media deal restructed in 2030. The ACC only makes 4m more in revenue than the Big 12 now, and that was with having more members in your conference.
You really think the ACC is going to make more money than a Big 12 with the new additions of the 4 corner schools along with FSU/Clemson as an 18 institution conference if it happened? You all are outside your mind.
The BIG12 is the "nothing" in an "all or nothing" strategy.
self-fullfilling
It feels like FSU and Clemson have painted themselves into a corner. I get it that Florida is a recruiting hotbed, but nonetheless adding FSU and Clemson does not expand the footprint of the SEC. As for the Big 10, the last 8 expansion schools were all in the AAU and those 2 schools are not. Maybe these 2 schools have an ace up their sleeve that they didn't tell anybody about, but it kind of feels like they followed the San Diego State haphazard approach.
@@cfb1923 sometimes the best move isn’t always an offensive move… but rather a defensive move..
Do you think the SEC wants the BigTen in their footprint?
If they actually leave the ACC which would be a lateral move at best if to the B12 honestly, I can't see why the B12 wouldn't also take Miami and one other top team willing to jump. I don't think B12 has a shot at UNC or Virginia as those markets would be welcomed in one of the Big 2 which they would go if these schools jump to the B12.
The Big 12 would jump at the chance to get Miami. Cameron is smoking some good shit
Stuart not realistic with Nebraska and ND….
I doubt this happens, the only way that it might is if TNT gets involved as a partner, otherwise there is not enough $$$ to pay the financial support needed to bring in FSU and Clemson and at the same time, keep the other B12 members satisfied.
Lol, two clowns. Have this same energy when Miami Hurricanes start winning.
Clemson is Auburn!
The Big 12 would be very lucky to have Miami. Very talented roster and recruiting hot bed. If the Canes win, more fans will show up. It’s not a college town. Cameron is just dead wrong. Nebraska is a huge has been and they’re in an irrelevant state devoid of football talent. What kind of logic is that. Y’all lost me with this one.
Also , UCF is nowhere near Miami or Florida in football or in general. They have never won anything of significance other than a few NY6 bowl games. UCF is still closer to being USF than Miami or FSU
Ucf is literally better than Miami and Florida currently and recently killed Florida in bowl game
@@jonathanwrehe8015 UCF has zero real national championships. Miami has 5, UF 3 and FSU 3. UCF just became a part of a P4 conference last year. There’s no comparison.
West Virginia has competed in the big 12 better than a lot of big 12 teams no they haven’t won any championships but they have had years when they were knocking on the door. This young guy has no knowledge of history. He is just a last 10 years kind of guy and doesn’t realize just how cyclicalcollege football is I think Alabama fans are about to find that out
Probably does not know that WVU holds the record for most Nattys in the Olympic sport of Rifle and finished #2 last season just behind #1 TCU. Watch out for those WVU shooters at the Paris Olympics!
All the people coping saying leaving the ACC to the Big 12 would be a lateral move are wild. The ACC only makes 4m more per school in a 14 team league with ND as non-football member media deal than a 12 member Big 12 media deal. How can you all not see that when the Big 12 media deal is adjusted to the new 16 team model, especially if you add FSU and Clemson to be an 18 team conference, which happens sooner than the ACC, that the Big 12 will make vastly more money than the ACC. Not to mention the CFP revenue will go up, and the fact that the Big 12 is completely bought in on football while you still have ACC schools that dont care about football.
If Clemson and FSU cant get into the Big 10 or SEC, they would be fools to stay in the abysmal leadership of Phillips and not join the Big 12.
Fools! Yeah right nobody from the ACC,SEC, BIG 10 AND Pac 2 wants to go to the Big 12!😂
@jmath1978 Once again, care to make an actual point or just use emogis?
Tier 2 football will be fungible.
@tarheel7406 Even if FSU and Clemson joined the Big 12 and people still called the Big 10 and SEC the P2, it would still be a better option than staying in the ACC for both schools if they are not accepted by the Big 10 or SEC.
big 12 should add alcorn st that seems about right
Not happening.
Doce Grande!!
the big 12 has the leverage here, not Clemson, not fsu. if they want a sweetheart deal, tell them to stay in the ACC or go to the SUNBELT CONF.
I believe that FSU and CLEMSON will stay in the ACC.
FSU will make more money going independent rather than either of those options 😂😂😂
This channel is nothing but click bait lol why in the hell would they leave for a conference that’s worse than what they are in????
The ACC is clearly a worse conference.
SMU was declined by the Big XII, lapped up by the ACC.
When the Pac 12 fell apart, the Big XII got Colorado, Utah, Arizona, and Arizona State while the ACC ended up with Cal and Stanford.
Almost half of the schools in the ACC voted to leave the conference and dissolve the conference last year.
Your conference has a bad media deal, is doing nothing to fix it, and will fall apart the moment the B1G takes who they want from you.
UCF 2nd best Florida school? Better than Miami and Florida GTFOH!
UCF has a long way to go before it’s mentioned with the Big 3 in FL.
Hearing Pitt to the SEC a real possibility
B12 will have the best two football brands in Florida 😂😂😂😂.. he said UCF and FSU
Those are the two best teams
No way in hell! Stop the lies!
If FSU would've been undefeated in the Big 12, they would've made the playoffs.
@@wvgolfnut1nope not true. See year one of CFP-4/NY6 and a few other years that the Big12 was left out of playoffs with qualifying teams but chose bigger brand names with similar results or records or worse.
Hahaha 😂😂😂😂 wow what a joke
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The Canes need to keep playing Clemson and Fl St. I hope this doesn’t affect the rivalry game against Fl st. Miami will be stomping them both from now on, I gotta see that.
Damn boy don’t forget your helmet and drool cup next time your momma takes you for a walk in the park 😂😂😂
Clemson, FSU, Louisville, NCST would be great
B1G has 7 not 3. USC, Washington, Oregon, Penn State, Michigan and Ohio State. Nebraska is rising. Wisconsin is strong. Michigan State has been to the CFP.
Nebraska is rising 😂
And have been since the day Tommy O retired, they are more Texas than Texas 😂
Oregon and SC both have the chance to turn the B1G upside down.
MSU is junk anymore, that saddens me.
Washington only shows up intermittently, let's see how the new HC goes.
Oregon loses to good teams, often.
Wisconsin is Iowa+, no offense and good defense while going nowhere.
Your choices are Ohio State, Michigan, and Penn State, in that order.
If Iowa ever finds out how to play offense…. 😅😅😅
@@arturobalderas6106, I even like Iowa, they just can't get out together!
No just no its not gonna happen
Neb? LOL
Why wouldn't the Big Ten want Maryland anymore? They won like 6 different nation championships in the Big Ten and won the conf and conf tourneys for many sports. They bring a major media market with a ton of Big Ten fans living there....that is just a bad take
Unfortunately, unless they're in football or men's basketball, (now baseball to a lesser extent) NCAA Championships don't matter. Until Texas (67) joined the SEC, the school with the most team national championships in the conference was......Arkansas!? (53).
Arizona State (57) and Oklahoma State (55) are now 1st and 2nd in total team championships, but most people would never know that.
This is great for the Big 12. Losing Texas and Oklahoma left the conference with zero football blue bloods, while still having quality teams. The closest blue blood right now is BYU lol. Adding Clemson and FSU gives the conference 2 legit blue bloods. If we can also add some of Duke, UNC, Miami, or Louisville, the conference would close the gap with the SEC. Rumors are the other ACC schools also want to come, so the Big 12 can pretty much pick and choose who they want and leave the ACC to die the ways of the Pac 12.
FSU and Clemson are not going to the Big 12
After what feasible chain of events ends with UNC or DUKE in the BIG12?
Iowa is as good if not better than anyone in the Big 12.
B1G will still be light years ahead of the Big 12, even if you added fsu, Clemson, Miami, and Louisville. Stop being cocky, because if we're being truthful the Big 12 only really have two teams that can make noise in the playoffs: Utah and maybe Baylor.
I’d agree because if that’s the case the Big Ten is probably adding ND and NC.
@@Conorj398 it just amazes me that a conference, that was left for dead, think they could all of a sudden be on par with one of the two best conferences in the country. And I hope they realize that despite the additions, some the shine still has come off because they lose their two biggest brands in the process.
@@ron6083 Baylor of all other programs? I can name at least 5 teams I’d say before Baylor… Okie State, Arizona, Kansas State, UCF, Cinci…
@@dacokc but that's my point they don't have anyone else.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The Big XII died when OU left.
no body's going to big 12 lol you guys are ridiculous
Yea yea, that’s what the Pac said too!!! How’d that end up?
You are so special
@@jamesstone9213 I guess so. If you say so. However, we are resilient and are still here. More than what the PAC can say, and seemingly soon more than what the ACC will be able say as well.
this just in!!!! big 12 adding Massachusetts state school for the deaf and blind! Football powerhouse
lol. Never happen.
But why? Might as well just stay in ACC
If FSU would've been undefeated in the Big 12, they would've made the playoffs
@@wvgolfnut1That wouldn't happen because they wouldn't have beat Texas!
Clickbait much? LOL. Why would FSU leave a better conference, spend all this money and time on a downgrade? Dream on though
The ACC isn't better than the Big 12
The ACC is a better football conference than the Big 12 as long as Florida State and Clemson remain. Until then, the Big 12 is the 4th best conference.
@@wvgolfnut1Yes the ACC is better than the Big 12 and don't have hater fans like the Big 12!
@@wvgolfnut1 when was the last time a current member of the big 12 won a national championship?
FSU and CLEMSON having to settle for the BIG12 makes them less competition in the future Tier 2 world for the ACC remainders.
You never heard a word from the SEC with Texas and OU until it actually happened. The same with the BIG and Oregon and Washington.So expect the same here.
@@jasonjames1697 Bad analysis...
a) The TX/O moved focused attention on additional moves
b) There was all sorts of speculation re: WASH/ORE