"Can't imagine it's selling well". None of us could. The whole fandom got taken aback when Hulk suddenly started outselling Batman in the middle of the run. Usually, only things that outsell Batman are big events, launches of a big new book or Spider-Man. Hulk suddenly jumping over Batman in middle of his run may even got Batman writer fired.
@@ingmarfris8175 I think the thing with Tom King is that he can only work within a short run or something contained, perhaps only with certain characters. Like he's surprisingly good at writing Superman in Up in The Sky. His Mr. Miracle book is also really good. But for some reason with Batman, it just doesn't feel right.
"It's somewhere totally foreign, totally alien and unknowable, but somewhere familiar and when you go there you realize the horrible truth that you've always been there. You just didn't know it." I forgot what channel I was watching for a moment at this point and thought we were bringing back the Eyeball Zone mid-video transitions.
"Matter-eater Kid: He Only Eats The Things That Matter! Follow Tenzil Kem on his voracious quest to consume all meaning in the Multiverse!" Wow! This stuff just writes itself!
He probably either did have or would have had a reboot if not for that god awful name. We might accept it *now* but we wouldn't have stood for that in the 90s. We wouldn't accept him unless his name was changed to Consumption or Glutton or some other edgy sounding thing.
Oddly enough im not either, ive always found myself following books staring other hulks like she hulk or hulks son skaar but not really bruce banner himself. Thats not tonsay that i dislike the character or anything ive just find those hulks more my style.
I've read every one of the 33 issues, so far, and in every single book there is at least one page that makes my jaw drop. It's one of the best comic books ever published, imho.
It’s the way that Hulk was always meant to be: a horror story. He was basically Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, but over the decades it kind of lost that horror element to it. But Immortal Hulk is genuinely terrifying while also being thought provoking. It’s also super metal. He rips a guy’s spine out and whips him with it in one volume if that gives you any indication.
hey mat! i wanted to say that as a plural system i really appreciated the way you addressed DID in this- it’s such a common horror trope and it’s nice to see a horror based space that clearly doesn’t intend to demonize people who are different even when those differences aren’t commonly understood!! thank you so much, this made my day!
Jasper Huber seconded!! also it’s valuable to note that not all plural systems are diagnosed with DID - many also have an Otherwise Specified Dissociative Disorder, or are created endogenically (without the influence of trauma)
Yeah. Reading the comic. Its clear that the writer actualy did his work and actually looked into what its like to be part of a system. Instead of what every other person does and just use it as a generic spooky thing or use just the stuff that is usualy in pop culture They bring up stuff that I myself have experienced. That I don't think I've *ever* seen in a piece od media They bring up the idea of a headspace. And then go one step further by explaining that while some systems have one. Its by no means a universal experience
And unlike other reimaginings like Frankencastle, Immortal Hulk has been hugely popular, it even outsold Batman a few times. And Hulk says trans rights!
@@hiruyabebaw5215 One issue had Joe Fixit saying he supported trans rights, and in the latest storyline one of Hulk's allies officially came out as trans, which had been hinted at for awhile. It's also implied, but not outright stated, that Betty broke into an ICE facility and freed the captives there. Just like Matt, I'm frequently shocked that Disney of all people allowed this to be published.
Anthony Rand I don’t think Disney even cares about the comics. If the comics are being more and more like the movies, it isn’t because Disney is demanding to be that way, but it’s just editors and executives running Marvel comics wanting to cash in on their success. But yeah, I’m surprised that Marvel themselves are allowing such an ambitious comic like Immortal Hulk still be published.
Just gotta say speaking as a member of a Plural system (OSDD-1b) it might not be exactly "sensitive", but Immortal Hulk owns bones. It sure handles it a lot better than most Marvel Comics depictions of Plurality, and the whole "internal landscape full of kooky characters" thing is more realistic than you might suspect. Sure focusing the whole story around a "bad" alter is maybe a *little* gauche, but like you said: Devil Hulk isn't so much evil as operating along a different set of morals.
Moreover I know we aren't the only Plural system who feels this way, because panels from this comic make their way through the Plural meme groups we're in pretty frequently.
I have never heard of these terms before, like Plural system or quagenic inclusive. Mind filling me in? I’m very interested to know more about this side of whatever it might be.
@@Chenso2099 a plural system is when multiple people share a body, medically this is usually classified as DID or OSDD1 though there are many ways you can be plural. Quagenic is when the reason for us sharing the brain is unknown, there are different reasons for different people or they don't wish to share their origin. Some DID systems act like transmeds and say you need to be diagnosed with a dissociative disorder and be the result of childhood trauma to be plural, when we asked about quagenic inclusivity it was to make sure the groups are safe for us.
STM Thanks so much for the response and explanation. All this is very intriguing to me. I might dive in and do some personal research myself, seeing as I’m very into exploring the human psyche and the way people think.
Growing up, I was a large kid that did well in classes but had a severe anger issue and was prone to violent outbursts of anger. I oftentimes looked up to the Hulk and Banner as heroes, people with many of the same traits I had that are trying to make the world a better place even if they weren't always perfect or if they suffered in a way that those near them didn't know. As I got older, my anger lead to depression, but I always had the ideal of someone that isn't perfect or pure, and possibly even less than others, making the world a better place. Then I got a bit older and they found out I was born with a hole in my brain, which is really weird but also really easy to fix. The fictional character Hulk has saved my life, I am honor-bound to join him in his fight to destroy capitalism
This is amazing, glad there's a solution to help you, we all think you're great, and thanks for acknowledging they're 2 different people and not just "personalities"
@@stm7810 Thank you. it means a lot to me. So, I didn't know that treating them as separate people was a thing. It's just what made sense to me in how to handle it, and I was surprised you thanked me for it. I started looking into DID more because of that. In my early 20's I had an episode where I started having thoughts that weren't my own and would occasionally lose control of myself. Eventually started having full conversations where we all started working together to be a more functional being. Boy howdy does that sound like stage 2 of treatment. I'm not saying I had DID, but maybe I understand it better than I thought.
Not sure how you're going to destroy capitalism since there is only capitalism. Every alternative falls apart, So you can do your best to adjust capitalism, but it's impossible to smash as you always end up back there.
I really enjoyed reading "Immortal Hulk" it's the most intricate re-invention of a mainstream character's mythology since Geoff Johns got his hands on Green Lantern around the first "Rebirth".. I'd love to see it adapted into a live action Streaming show
@@DeviIsAdvocate disagree. Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Spider-Man TAS, and X-men are some of the most beloved entries into the animated marvel series, and i would argue that they're often better than the mcu.
I have DID and it's really awesome to see someone using our terminology correctly and respecting it. Even if the immortal hulk isn't a great representation of DID (Comics in general wouldn't be a good way to represent DID) it's still great to see someone I respect being responsible and careful to make sure we're not discriminated against in his video.
@@stm7810 i mean yeah she's more likely to bc of the whole anti-hierarchy anarchy thing, but like ancoms can still enforce and support hierarchy against their ideology i.e. all the ableism and pluralphobia i've experienced from "anarchists"
THIS. I am only reading Hulk, Daredevil, Gideon Falls, Strange Adventures and very rarely check Batman and X-Men. That's basically it. Hulk and Daredevil are S-class comic books, the ones I'm most interested in right now.
"Psychedelic cosmic quasi-mystic sci-fi" made me think of Event Horizon and now I am hoping there is enough of an opinion on the work to warrant a video. I love that weird and terrifying movie.
@@barbarayhivjaneahl3198 May I ask why? Resident Evil and Event Horizon have overlap. Truly just curious/should also say I don't know much about Paul W. S. Anderson.
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU WERE GOING TO USE MORBIUS, THE LIVING VAMPIRE FOR ANYTHING ELSE NOOOOO MILDRED YOU DOOMED US ALL TO MORBIN TIME WITH THOSE VERY WORDS
As a mixed origins plural system, we really appreciate the way you handled the topic, it's terrible how media ignores us or makes systems medicalised as some disease that makes you evil and dangerous. to anyone reading this, regardless of your gender or the body and history you truely have in headspace, you are valid and loved.
What I like about this Hulk run is how it ties to everything else happening and makes it accountable. Human, Mutant, Alien, Gods all will answer to "The Strongest There Is"
my library is the kind of library that has like... every volume of The Goon and Grendel but one volume of Berserk (it's not even the first volume) and nothing remotely new or daring.
If you're in a city they probably have access to the books from a lot of other libraries. Ask and they can probably get most things in for you. My library even has an app where you can reserve books and you'll get an email when they are ready for collection.
I don't know what's cooler. The fact that you just reviewed a comic book character, or you just recommended seeing if it's available at our libraries. Yeah, a LOT of libraries cover comics, which is pretty damn sweet. A good friend of mine is able to read a graphic novel a day thanks to this.
I know you mentioned it being weird for an A list character to have a massive tone shift in comics, but the Hulk in particular has had this pretty frequently. The Peter David run is almost unrecognizable from the tortured monster of the 70s with the introduction of Joe Fix-it, Doc Sampson and David's generally comedic tone, and Greg Ruk's Planet Hulk and it's various tie-ins make the Hulk into much more of a sword's and sorcery type character. If anything Immortal Hulk is much closer to the character's roots than the majority of his modern incarnations.
Hulk and X-Men are the two biggest comic properties that are allowed to make big, sweeping changes to their status quo and have them actually stick. And shocker, recent runs of Hulk and X-Men have been among the best things Marvel has made in a long time.
Sometimes it's amazing to me that there's other people who get as obsessed as I do with the intersection fo psychedelic cosmic mystic scifi + horror + superhero.
Maybe don't go to the library yet tho, just do online like Matt said lol. I work at a library, and we are still closed. When we open, we're just gonna do curbside pickup I think for a while.
thank you for mentioning franken-castle. such an underappreciated run. EDIT: oh and yeah, needless to say, immortal hulk is literally the best comic currently being published by the big two (with MAYBE the entire dawn of x line as a challenger)
@@emersonpage5384 I'm just talking mainline cape comics, otherwise I'd also have to mention the last god which is on DC black label. though to be fair, the only current vertigo stuff I read is the new hellblazer, so I wouldn't know either way how good sandman universe is.
@@emersonpage5384 oh yeah I completely forgot that. but isn't that just basically a publishing initiative under the vertigo imprint? I find it all a bit unnecessarily confusing tbh.
@@YourEvilHenchman i haven't read immortal hulk( except the maximum carnage tie-in event issues but that doesn't entirely count) but ive heard good things. Has his son Skaar returned yet in the books?
thank you so much for mentioning that the hulk has did!! you're right that it's not the most sensitive portrayal, but it's so cool that one of the most iconic and beloved comic book heroes of all time canonically and explicitly has did and i hate that it's not common knowledge
Yeah, I hate how in End Game they glorify fusion as if it makes you into a "whole" person with all the best bits when really it rarely works and when it does most of the time it causes trauma and massive loss of memory and skill.
cant say i like this depiction of plurality. would really prefer if people didn't try to use it for their... good and evil, morality demon metaphors. i wish this wasn't seen as a good depiction cuz it shows how low the bar is
Yeah, I hate to admit this, but Garnet from steven universe is the closest we ever found to representation that isn't so messed up it leaves us sick. some of us are demons so the whole "evil alter" thing is messed up for our head comrades.
@Alara Platt I believe every attempt to address plurality has merit, and the importance should not be on avoiding certain attempts, but passing every attempt under the most holistic and objective lens possible. People with any degree of "plurality" have had to survive carving their own way through life more and more as the places society once had for them have been suppressed. Today, in the US, we are in a society where one of the ruling political majorities insists that a person with "less than pure blood" is incapable of being a "Two Spirit", which is in direct contrast to the actual teachings of the Cultures with long held places for Two Spirits, who believe that any person can be born as such. To be fair, the other ruling political majority insists there is no such thing at all, so I guess that's technically crueler. So, being surrounded by white skinned people who tell me my heritage is invalid because of my own white skin, I've gained more from the lessons I've learned studying a green skinned comic book character than I have from any US political party continuing to insist it has all the answers and solutions for the entire world's ills, real and imagined.
@@Pensive_Scarlet wait so you are white? and Two Spirit? is that what im getting here cuz that sounds like a problem of its own. apologies in advance if i misinterpreted
@@alaraplatt8104 I have actual, documented Aboriginal American heritage; I have physically white skin. I am not that concerned with embracing labels, but the concept of "Two Spirit" is something that has resonated with me in a way nothing else has. I want to clarify that I'm referring to the spiritual concept, not the social role. I do not claim the term as a label or even what I "identify" as, I merely refer to it as the only thing I've seen in this world that even begins to describe my experience as a person. I use it in a literal sense more than anything. Honestly, I'm content with just saying I'm a half-man half-woman freak these days. I have no people, I have no place. I simply attempt to peacefully coexist in a world filled with people who seem to hate my unusual nature by default. I wouldn't blame you for seeing me as a walking problem in need of "solving". The overall political system in the US would sooner have me die out of it than accept me as a person.
"Banner is from the world of rules, Hulk is from the world of metaphors." I mean, the fantastical world of super heroes has been the world of metaphor since like the 80s, and probably earlier
when i saw on twitter that you were reading immortal hulk, i could not wait for the inevitable video about it. it's such a good series that actually got me into hulk as a character and made me go back and read/re-read older hulk comics through the lens of immortal hulk.
Whoa, thanks for the recommend enby pal, especially the library advice for broke boys. My kinda art is always big ideas, striking art, and correct ethical analysis of human systemsssssss.
at first i was quite certain i was happy with giving you a like for that gene joke but now that you've also thrown in hulk hands i am super disappointed that i blew my like early and wasn't ready for this ooey-gooey goodness.
I just read all of immortal hulk in a single week And I love the story, the horror. The fights and everything But the things I enjoy the most Is how it builds character and humanizes the main and supporting cast Seeing the moment when devil hulk tells jackie that he likes her. How she thinks about rage as something that can be useful. Not something to be bottled up and locked away Or seeing Bruce and the big guy having a heart to heart about their past Its all really good stuff
I have been loving Immortal Hulk! You hit all the nails, square on the head. The Hulk / Pickle Jars scene - particularly how it ended - was just fantastic. And totally bonkers.
I'm so so so sooooo happy that you started reading this comic. I've really been enjoying it. It's so bananas in the most mind twisting terrifying way. The tension is always top notch
I love when you make videos on comics, it tends to be a lot better than the average youtube comic analysis, i'd watch them no matter how strenuously related it is to your channel/s
Your humor is the DRIEST and I f*cking love it. Great video. Felt the same with the comic cause it’s so out there but I read every issue and its wonderful!
Stoked to see you recommend this. I'm someone that only kind of likes hulk with some of his big stories like planet hulk and world War hulk and this story blew me away love it
Great video. Very entertaining, I even had a few genuine laughs. Thanks. I thought about dropping it in the first thirty seconds but you had me interested thirty seconds later, and two minutes in I was hooked. I really enjoyed how you nailed fans and industries agendas. Very cool.
i got lucky, when it first started coming out the alex ross cover art made me wanna give it a try and i have loved this comic every step of the way. great video!
The fact that a comic published by one of the biggest corporate entities in existence gets away with turning its main character into an anti-corporate terrorist and _vindicates him for it_ is either a small miracle or a disturbing display of confidence.
Good video! I gotta say Al Ewing keeps getting away with this shit at Marvel and no one is stopping him (like the hulk innit). His Loki series and Ultimates both tapped that same mystic cosmic shit and changed some very entrenched status quos (that immediately snapped back but what ya gonna do). Reminds me of Grant Morrison's stuff whenever DC lets him play with the New Gods, do an event book, or write a Superman story. If you haven't yet, you might want to check out some of the Young Animal stuff Gerard Way was doing: Doom Patrol, Shade, and Eternity Girl were all that same sort of space weird. Looking forward to the next video! P.S. For what you said about Matter-Eater Lad, We are enemies
Just a small clarification, Way didn't do any other Young Animal stuff besides Doom Patrol and a part of Milk Wars, he was the curator and editor, but Shade, Eternity Girl, Cave Carson, etc. weren't written by him, just "accepted".
Watching this out of order, from your current videos, but I thought Bobby Duke was gonna pop up. Lol On a side note, I'd love to see more of this stuff!
"A wizard made it look like it happened, but it didn't." You will either be pleased or even more disappointed to know that one writer insisted on ignoring what you're (most likely) referring to here. They retconned the retcon and used the incident as originally depicted to give Dr. Strange a great little redeeming character moment. (In case I'm assuming wrong, for clarity: talking about Dr. Strange's very interesting history with history's Ben Franklin, look it up, no joke.)
Hey man, I’ve been watching some of your videos for the first time over the last few days. I don’t agree with every opinion you have, but I’m glad that you’re making content. I’m glad that you have an outlet for your creativity.
I tried. I'm so late 30's I guess... I can't wrap my mind around _The Hulk._ But I did rewatch the 1930's _Invisible Man_ this morning and liked it better than I did in 2014. I still got something out of my effort.
stop using DID in horror challenge. ppl who aren't part of a system stop writing about having DID challenge. otherwise this sounds really interesting actually
hey not to be a dick but if people can literally only write people with all the same qualifiers as them you're basically going to have people writing very small cast of weirdly similar characters. There are some experiences that should only get a deep dive from members of that community(or members of that community heavily involved) but we need to be able to write diverse casts.
As a system. My honest to god favorite part of it was actualy in the most recent issue. Where Bruce and the big guy have a chat in headspace. And the hulk tells banner that in the past. He was obsessed with trying to get back to "normal". To somehow not be a system anymore. He looked for a cure or for some way to get rid of them. Or even kill himself just so he wouldn't be that way And they actualy talk over how that was like. A really bad a shitty thing to do. And that it isn't wrong to exist like this. And the others in the system deserve respect as well. Not something to me medicalized away or be cured
I read the first 12-ish issue arc of the immortal hulk when that was all that was out, and honestly I'm pleasantly surprised to find out that it's still going? that first arc felt so conclusive and self-contained that i just assumed it was over.
I think you should give The Punisher a way deeper dive than you have, because he's definitely not the 'fascists wet dream' even if they want him to be. Trust me, the cops who use Punisher logos have never read a single comic, they just like skulls. The secret to understanding The Punisher is that you must understand that the Punisher is the villain, very much like Judge Dredd. I suggest the Garth Ennis run, Punisher MAX, where we really delve into his psyche. He is quite literally a psychopath and in this series Ennis explores his motivations to an extreme degree, and it is decided in no uncertain terms that The Punisher just enjoys killing people, and is only using the death of his family as an excuse. The drama found in The Punisher is in the inner monologue. Yellow boxes represent The Punisher thinking, white boxes represent Frank Castle and there is a constant struggle between them.
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add one more victory to the "having fun isn't hard when you have a library card" tally!
Witty.
Banner HULK HULK HULK BannerBannerbannerHULK
i miss the library....
I'm so glad to know I'm not the only one that remembers this gem of a musical number from Arthur.
wear your mask 😷
"Can't imagine it's selling well". None of us could. The whole fandom got taken aback when Hulk suddenly started outselling Batman in the middle of the run. Usually, only things that outsell Batman are big events, launches of a big new book or Spider-Man. Hulk suddenly jumping over Batman in middle of his run may even got Batman writer fired.
Tom King is straight up trash
@@BigDad138 Tom King has written a great Vision run and the Sheriff of Baghdad is pretty great too.
@@ingmarfris8175 I mean it's interesting and challenging but I wouldn't call his work "good". It lacks cohesiveness and struggles to make you care.
@@ahmedamine24 Well I think we’re just going to have to agree to disagree.
@@ingmarfris8175 I think the thing with Tom King is that he can only work within a short run or something contained, perhaps only with certain characters. Like he's surprisingly good at writing Superman in Up in The Sky. His Mr. Miracle book is also really good. But for some reason with Batman, it just doesn't feel right.
"It's somewhere totally foreign, totally alien and unknowable, but somewhere familiar and when you go there you realize the horrible truth that you've always been there. You just didn't know it."
I forgot what channel I was watching for a moment at this point and thought we were bringing back the Eyeball Zone mid-video transitions.
Oh John, don't you know? You never left the Eyeball Zone.
Moving the eyeball zone to the end of the video is _literally_ the worst thing that has happened in 2020.
you never left
But what if it's just capitalism as revealed by Trump and Covid? What if that horror just showed you the reality that was there all along?
i have eyeball ptsd now
I can’t wait for the Immortal Hulk “Oh Dear God, It’s Melting? I can see it’s bone and guts and oh my god” Transforming Action Figure!
Legit tho Immortal Hulk is so fucking good. Easily in the top 10 comics for me.
every time you smash something with the Immortal Hulk Hands™ the inbuilt speakers ask questions of great philosophical complexity
The opening here made me really think about how weird it was that there is no edgy 90's reboot of Matter Eater Lad who ate _people_ or something, lol.
Or a dark matter eater lad who's goal is to reduce the mass of the universe to absolutely make sure it ends in the slow lonely heat death...
@@samtheweebo lol. God damn, now _that_ is dark and edgy!
"Matter-eater Kid: He Only Eats The Things That Matter! Follow Tenzil Kem on his voracious quest to consume all meaning in the Multiverse!" Wow! This stuff just writes itself!
He probably either did have or would have had a reboot if not for that god awful name. We might accept it *now* but we wouldn't have stood for that in the 90s. We wouldn't accept him unless his name was changed to Consumption or Glutton or some other edgy sounding thing.
I think that’s called Chew
I was never much of a Hulk fan, but this sounds intetesting
Oddly enough im not either, ive always found myself following books staring other hulks like she hulk or hulks son skaar but not really bruce banner himself. Thats not tonsay that i dislike the character or anything ive just find those hulks more my style.
Immortal Hulk made me a hulk fan.
It's great. Please give it one issue, I think you'll get hooked.
I've read every one of the 33 issues, so far, and in every single book there is at least one page that makes my jaw drop. It's one of the best comic books ever published, imho.
It’s the way that Hulk was always meant to be: a horror story. He was basically Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde, but over the decades it kind of lost that horror element to it. But Immortal Hulk is genuinely terrifying while also being thought provoking. It’s also super metal. He rips a guy’s spine out and whips him with it in one volume if that gives you any indication.
hey mat! i wanted to say that as a plural system i really appreciated the way you addressed DID in this- it’s such a common horror trope and it’s nice to see a horror based space that clearly doesn’t intend to demonize people who are different even when those differences aren’t commonly understood!! thank you so much, this made my day!
Jasper Huber seconded!! also it’s valuable to note that not all plural systems are diagnosed with DID - many also have an Otherwise Specified Dissociative Disorder, or are created endogenically (without the influence of trauma)
Yes, it just made us so happy with how he handled the topic.
Yeah. Reading the comic. Its clear that the writer actualy did his work and actually looked into what its like to be part of a system. Instead of what every other person does and just use it as a generic spooky thing or use just the stuff that is usualy in pop culture
They bring up stuff that I myself have experienced. That I don't think I've *ever* seen in a piece od media
They bring up the idea of a headspace. And then go one step further by explaining that while some systems have one. Its by no means a universal experience
Have you read the whole run of the series by now? They definitely went places.
as a librarian, I appreciate the library shout-out!
"YOU are NOT a librarian! You are a library assistant, a librarian has a PhD. You will never be a librarian!"
Do you shoot lightning and smite people? Didnt think so.
And unlike other reimaginings like Frankencastle, Immortal Hulk has been hugely popular, it even outsold Batman a few times. And Hulk says trans rights!
Wait what
@@hiruyabebaw5215 One issue had Joe Fixit saying he supported trans rights, and in the latest storyline one of Hulk's allies officially came out as trans, which had been hinted at for awhile.
It's also implied, but not outright stated, that Betty broke into an ICE facility and freed the captives there. Just like Matt, I'm frequently shocked that Disney of all people allowed this to be published.
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Man, Franken-Castle was good though.
Anthony Rand I don’t think Disney even cares about the comics. If the comics are being more and more like the movies, it isn’t because Disney is demanding to be that way, but it’s just editors and executives running Marvel comics wanting to cash in on their success. But yeah, I’m surprised that Marvel themselves are allowing such an ambitious comic like Immortal Hulk still be published.
Just gotta say speaking as a member of a Plural system (OSDD-1b) it might not be exactly "sensitive", but Immortal Hulk owns bones. It sure handles it a lot better than most Marvel Comics depictions of Plurality, and the whole "internal landscape full of kooky characters" thing is more realistic than you might suspect. Sure focusing the whole story around a "bad" alter is maybe a *little* gauche, but like you said: Devil Hulk isn't so much evil as operating along a different set of morals.
Moreover I know we aren't the only Plural system who feels this way, because panels from this comic make their way through the Plural meme groups we're in pretty frequently.
@@WanderingChord wait, there's plural meme groups? are they quagenic inclusive?
I have never heard of these terms before, like Plural system or quagenic inclusive. Mind filling me in? I’m very interested to know more about this side of whatever it might be.
@@Chenso2099 a plural system is when multiple people share a body, medically this is usually classified as DID or OSDD1 though there are many ways you can be plural. Quagenic is when the reason for us sharing the brain is unknown, there are different reasons for different people or they don't wish to share their origin. Some DID systems act like transmeds and say you need to be diagnosed with a dissociative disorder and be the result of childhood trauma to be plural, when we asked about quagenic inclusivity it was to make sure the groups are safe for us.
STM Thanks so much for the response and explanation. All this is very intriguing to me. I might dive in and do some personal research myself, seeing as I’m very into exploring the human psyche and the way people think.
Growing up, I was a large kid that did well in classes but had a severe anger issue and was prone to violent outbursts of anger. I oftentimes looked up to the Hulk and Banner as heroes, people with many of the same traits I had that are trying to make the world a better place even if they weren't always perfect or if they suffered in a way that those near them didn't know. As I got older, my anger lead to depression, but I always had the ideal of someone that isn't perfect or pure, and possibly even less than others, making the world a better place. Then I got a bit older and they found out I was born with a hole in my brain, which is really weird but also really easy to fix.
The fictional character Hulk has saved my life, I am honor-bound to join him in his fight to destroy capitalism
This is amazing, glad there's a solution to help you, we all think you're great, and thanks for acknowledging they're 2 different people and not just "personalities"
@@stm7810 Thank you. it means a lot to me.
So, I didn't know that treating them as separate people was a thing. It's just what made sense to me in how to handle it, and I was surprised you thanked me for it. I started looking into DID more because of that. In my early 20's I had an episode where I started having thoughts that weren't my own and would occasionally lose control of myself. Eventually started having full conversations where we all started working together to be a more functional being. Boy howdy does that sound like stage 2 of treatment. I'm not saying I had DID, but maybe I understand it better than I thought.
@@andrewwestfall65 interesting, we're a mixed origins system, containing introgects, tulpas, spirit channelling etc.
Smash the system, friend. Smash it good.
Not sure how you're going to destroy capitalism since there is only capitalism. Every alternative falls apart, So you can do your best to adjust capitalism, but it's impossible to smash as you always end up back there.
I really enjoyed reading "Immortal Hulk" it's the most intricate re-invention of a mainstream character's mythology since Geoff Johns got his hands on Green Lantern around the first "Rebirth".. I'd love to see it adapted into a live action Streaming show
Live action is overated.
Animation are better.
@@MrSafior no its not
@@tyronechillifoot5573 Yes its is.
@@tyronechillifoot5573 Animation will always be better then a live action version - unless it's marvel
@@DeviIsAdvocate disagree. Earth's Mightiest Heroes, Spider-Man TAS, and X-men are some of the most beloved entries into the animated marvel series, and i would argue that they're often better than the mcu.
I have DID and it's really awesome to see someone using our terminology correctly and respecting it. Even if the immortal hulk isn't a great representation of DID (Comics in general wouldn't be a good way to represent DID) it's still great to see someone I respect being responsible and careful to make sure we're not discriminated against in his video.
we're mixed origins and same!
@@stm7810 also same how are there so many systems watching mildred
@@insertwittyusername9615 Because as an anarcho-communist his platform is safe for systems allowing us to congrigate here.
@@stm7810 i mean yeah she's more likely to bc of the whole anti-hierarchy anarchy thing, but like ancoms can still enforce and support hierarchy against their ideology
i.e. all the ableism and pluralphobia i've experienced from "anarchists"
@@insertwittyusername9615 I'm sorry you've experienced that, also is Mildrid using she/her pronouns now?
This and Daredevil are legit the best books on the shelves right now.
THIS. I am only reading Hulk, Daredevil, Gideon Falls, Strange Adventures and very rarely check Batman and X-Men. That's basically it. Hulk and Daredevil are S-class comic books, the ones I'm most interested in right now.
But why daredevil? Is he played by matt damon in the comic books? I dont like his big chadly-chin.
Goddamnit, I'd just about clicked to close the tab when you dropped the "hulk smash the like button." Had to re-open and do it. +1 would smash again.
1:27
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It's morbin time
"Psychedelic cosmic quasi-mystic sci-fi" made me think of Event Horizon and now I am hoping there is enough of an opinion on the work to warrant a video. I love that weird and terrifying movie.
OMG please do event horizon in your next video Matt!
I am still stunned the Pual W.S. Anderson made the movie.
@@barbarayhivjaneahl3198 May I ask why? Resident Evil and Event Horizon have overlap. Truly just curious/should also say I don't know much about Paul W. S. Anderson.
I love Event Horizon, legit one of my favorite cosmic horror movies that isn't a Lovecraft adaptation, aside from maybe The Void
Please, please, please, please, please!
IT'S NOT LIKE YOU WERE GOING TO USE MORBIUS, THE LIVING VAMPIRE FOR ANYTHING ELSE
NOOOOO MILDRED YOU DOOMED US ALL TO MORBIN TIME WITH THOSE VERY WORDS
As a mixed origins plural system, we really appreciate the way you handled the topic, it's terrible how media ignores us or makes systems medicalised as some disease that makes you evil and dangerous. to anyone reading this, regardless of your gender or the body and history you truely have in headspace, you are valid and loved.
Dang, I love Hulk and I love psychedelic metaphysical nonsense, so I should probably be reading this.
it's great.
You should also like body horror too because whoah nellie is there a lot of it in there. It’s insanely metal.
@@nathancrudup9603 Good news
@@nathancrudup9603 They out Cronnenberg Cronnenberg.
Probably already been mentioned, but anyone else seeing "Saturn devouring his son" at 8:30?
Oh yeah! Good catch!
But LOOK AT THE BULLMAN
No wonder it reminded of something
Ooooh I knew that pose looked familiar
Awesome! Thank you!!
2:30
"How many times can you watch the same grim, stoned faced guy just mow down mobsters again and again? "
(Glances at Judge Dredd)
What I like about this Hulk run is how it ties to everything else happening and makes it accountable. Human, Mutant, Alien, Gods all will answer to "The Strongest There Is"
my library is the kind of library that has like... every volume of The Goon and Grendel but one volume of Berserk (it's not even the first volume) and nothing remotely new or daring.
If you're in a city they probably have access to the books from a lot of other libraries. Ask and they can probably get most things in for you. My library even has an app where you can reserve books and you'll get an email when they are ready for collection.
A lot of libraries in north america also have partnerships with libby or borrowbox which gives you access to a giant online list
@@samanthaburns6956That's great, we do that in Scotland too!
I don't know what's cooler. The fact that you just reviewed a comic book character, or you just recommended seeing if it's available at our libraries.
Yeah, a LOT of libraries cover comics, which is pretty damn sweet. A good friend of mine is able to read a graphic novel a day thanks to this.
I know you mentioned it being weird for an A list character to have a massive tone shift in comics, but the Hulk in particular has had this pretty frequently. The Peter David run is almost unrecognizable from the tortured monster of the 70s with the introduction of Joe Fix-it, Doc Sampson and David's generally comedic tone, and Greg Ruk's Planet Hulk and it's various tie-ins make the Hulk into much more of a sword's and sorcery type character. If anything Immortal Hulk is much closer to the character's roots than the majority of his modern incarnations.
(this is a good think I really like all these runs and am glad that their allowed more experimentation)
Hulk is that weird case where despite being super popular, it hasn’t stopped writers from getting weird with him and experimenting with random ideas.
Hulk and X-Men are the two biggest comic properties that are allowed to make big, sweeping changes to their status quo and have them actually stick. And shocker, recent runs of Hulk and X-Men have been among the best things Marvel has made in a long time.
Sometimes it's amazing to me that there's other people who get as obsessed as I do with the intersection fo psychedelic cosmic mystic scifi + horror + superhero.
Maybe don't go to the library yet tho, just do online like Matt said lol. I work at a library, and we are still closed. When we open, we're just gonna do curbside pickup I think for a while.
@bryan diaz varela how can there be trash in the trash cans if nobody is there to put it in 🤔
Scaredy cat logo is baby
Yeah, it's a good strong logo
thank you for mentioning franken-castle. such an underappreciated run.
EDIT: oh and yeah, needless to say, immortal hulk is literally the best comic currently being published by the big two (with MAYBE the entire dawn of x line as a challenger)
no love for Sandman Universe or are we just talking mainline Marvel/DC Universes
@@emersonpage5384 I'm just talking mainline cape comics, otherwise I'd also have to mention the last god which is on DC black label. though to be fair, the only current vertigo stuff I read is the new hellblazer, so I wouldn't know either way how good sandman universe is.
@@YourEvilHenchman the newest hellblazer is under the sandman universe imprint iirc
@@emersonpage5384 oh yeah I completely forgot that. but isn't that just basically a publishing initiative under the vertigo imprint? I find it all a bit unnecessarily confusing tbh.
@@YourEvilHenchman i haven't read immortal hulk( except the maximum carnage tie-in event issues but that doesn't entirely count) but ive heard good things. Has his son Skaar returned yet in the books?
thank you so much for mentioning that the hulk has did!! you're right that it's not the most sensitive portrayal, but it's so cool that one of the most iconic and beloved comic book heroes of all time canonically and explicitly has did and i hate that it's not common knowledge
Yeah, I hate how in End Game they glorify fusion as if it makes you into a "whole" person with all the best bits when really it rarely works and when it does most of the time it causes trauma and massive loss of memory and skill.
they said it. they said morbius.
cant say i like this depiction of plurality. would really prefer if people didn't try to use it for their... good and evil, morality demon metaphors. i wish this wasn't seen as a good depiction cuz it shows how low the bar is
Yeah, I hate to admit this, but Garnet from steven universe is the closest we ever found to representation that isn't so messed up it leaves us sick. some of us are demons so the whole "evil alter" thing is messed up for our head comrades.
@Alara Platt
I believe every attempt to address plurality has merit, and the importance should not be on avoiding certain attempts, but passing every attempt under the most holistic and objective lens possible. People with any degree of "plurality" have had to survive carving their own way through life more and more as the places society once had for them have been suppressed. Today, in the US, we are in a society where one of the ruling political majorities insists that a person with "less than pure blood" is incapable of being a "Two Spirit", which is in direct contrast to the actual teachings of the Cultures with long held places for Two Spirits, who believe that any person can be born as such. To be fair, the other ruling political majority insists there is no such thing at all, so I guess that's technically crueler.
So, being surrounded by white skinned people who tell me my heritage is invalid because of my own white skin, I've gained more from the lessons I've learned studying a green skinned comic book character than I have from any US political party continuing to insist it has all the answers and solutions for the entire world's ills, real and imagined.
@@Pensive_Scarlet wait so you are white? and Two Spirit? is that what im getting here cuz that sounds like a problem of its own. apologies in advance if i misinterpreted
@@alaraplatt8104 I have actual, documented Aboriginal American heritage; I have physically white skin. I am not that concerned with embracing labels, but the concept of "Two Spirit" is something that has resonated with me in a way nothing else has. I want to clarify that I'm referring to the spiritual concept, not the social role. I do not claim the term as a label or even what I "identify" as, I merely refer to it as the only thing I've seen in this world that even begins to describe my experience as a person. I use it in a literal sense more than anything.
Honestly, I'm content with just saying I'm a half-man half-woman freak these days. I have no people, I have no place. I simply attempt to peacefully coexist in a world filled with people who seem to hate my unusual nature by default. I wouldn't blame you for seeing me as a walking problem in need of "solving". The overall political system in the US would sooner have me die out of it than accept me as a person.
"Banner is from the world of rules, Hulk is from the world of metaphors."
I mean, the fantastical world of super heroes has been the world of metaphor since like the 80s, and probably earlier
when i saw on twitter that you were reading immortal hulk, i could not wait for the inevitable video about it. it's such a good series that actually got me into hulk as a character and made me go back and read/re-read older hulk comics through the lens of immortal hulk.
Whoa, thanks for the recommend enby pal, especially the library advice for broke boys. My kinda art is always big ideas, striking art, and correct ethical analysis of human systemsssssss.
YES FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE SEES THE BRILLIANCE OF THIS COMIC AND ACTUALLY UNDERSTANDS THE METAPHORICAL UNDERPINNINGS
at first i was quite certain i was happy with giving you a like for that gene joke but now that you've also thrown in hulk hands i am super disappointed that i blew my like early and wasn't ready for this ooey-gooey goodness.
I just read all of immortal hulk in a single week
And I love the story, the horror. The fights and everything
But the things I enjoy the most
Is how it builds character and humanizes the main and supporting cast
Seeing the moment when devil hulk tells jackie that he likes her. How she thinks about rage as something that can be useful. Not something to be bottled up and locked away
Or seeing Bruce and the big guy having a heart to heart about their past
Its all really good stuff
I need to say i really really love your voice, it's so uniquely expressive
I have been loving Immortal Hulk! You hit all the nails, square on the head. The Hulk / Pickle Jars scene - particularly how it ended - was just fantastic. And totally bonkers.
I'm so so so sooooo happy that you started reading this comic. I've really been enjoying it. It's so bananas in the most mind twisting terrifying way. The tension is always top notch
I love when you make videos on comics, it tends to be a lot better than the average youtube comic analysis, i'd watch them no matter how strenuously related it is to your channel/s
Matter-Eater Lad has the literal power to EAT SUPERMAN. How has this story not been made yet. I would pay so much money to see Superdick get cronched.
Your humor is the DRIEST and I f*cking love it. Great video. Felt the same with the comic cause it’s so out there but I read every issue and its wonderful!
Ty for the accurate language around DID, I almost cried ❤️ just so happy to see some good representation in unexpected places
Stoked to see you recommend this. I'm someone that only kind of likes hulk with some of his big stories like planet hulk and world War hulk and this story blew me away love it
Seeing Matt so happy and excited in turn makes me happy ♥
Great video. Very entertaining, I even had a few genuine laughs. Thanks.
I thought about dropping it in the first thirty seconds but you had me interested thirty seconds later, and two minutes in I was hooked. I really enjoyed how you nailed fans and industries agendas. Very cool.
Just coming back to say thanks for introducing me to this series!
Im bingewatching all your vids since last night
I actually ended up laughing at the end and liking/subscribing before you asked. Well done. I may actually go to the library
i got lucky, when it first started coming out the alex ross cover art made me wanna give it a try and i have loved this comic every step of the way. great video!
I'm loving the Immortal Hulk! Thanks for sharing it with the world!
I was wondering why you would be nerd raging against the immortal hulk, im glad i misinterpreted the title as i did.
The fact that a comic published by one of the biggest corporate entities in existence gets away with turning its main character into an anti-corporate terrorist and _vindicates him for it_ is either a small miracle or a disturbing display of confidence.
well this portrayal clearly made them more money in the end than something more middle-of-the-road would've done, which is all they care about
I think you are now officially my favorite YT person.
Love your work, Scaredy Cats!
Great video, very entertaining! I like your manner of speaking
Good video!
I gotta say Al Ewing keeps getting away with this shit at Marvel and no one is stopping him (like the hulk innit). His Loki series and Ultimates both tapped that same mystic cosmic shit and changed some very entrenched status quos (that immediately snapped back but what ya gonna do). Reminds me of Grant Morrison's stuff whenever DC lets him play with the New Gods, do an event book, or write a Superman story. If you haven't yet, you might want to check out some of the Young Animal stuff Gerard Way was doing: Doom Patrol, Shade, and Eternity Girl were all that same sort of space weird.
Looking forward to the next video!
P.S. For what you said about Matter-Eater Lad, We are enemies
his ultimates run was so good
Just a small clarification, Way didn't do any other Young Animal stuff besides Doom Patrol and a part of Milk Wars, he was the curator and editor, but Shade, Eternity Girl, Cave Carson, etc. weren't written by him, just "accepted".
I'd say right now, Al Ewing and Jonathan Hickman are Marvel's two greatest aspects in their comics departments.
Watching this out of order, from your current videos, but I thought Bobby Duke was gonna pop up. Lol
On a side note, I'd love to see more of this stuff!
"A wizard made it look like it happened, but it didn't." You will either be pleased or even more disappointed to know that one writer insisted on ignoring what you're (most likely) referring to here. They retconned the retcon and used the incident as originally depicted to give Dr. Strange a great little redeeming character moment. (In case I'm assuming wrong, for clarity: talking about Dr. Strange's very interesting history with history's Ben Franklin, look it up, no joke.)
Making Hulk a horror comic was the best move they had made in decades
As a system dating another system, we both got a lot out of Immortal Hulk.
1st video of yours I've stumbled upon. I enjoyed the content a lot. But enjoyed your presentation of the content more. 🤣
Hey man, I’ve been watching some of your videos for the first time over the last few days. I don’t agree with every opinion you have, but I’m glad that you’re making content. I’m glad that you have an outlet for your creativity.
I tried. I'm so late 30's I guess... I can't wrap my mind around _The Hulk._ But I did rewatch the 1930's _Invisible Man_ this morning and liked it better than I did in 2014. I still got something out of my effort.
I was never much of a Hulk fan, but this comics series got me intrigued.
It's mind-blowing and fun! Can't wait for vol 7
I've read every issue, and I am ashamed that missed Xemnu as a metaphor for the media. Also, it made Sasquatch terrifying.
In the time since you made this video, the series has only continued to escalate in both quality and batshit madness.
Ok cool, sold.
Thanks for the rec.
Morbius lmao
I really love when Matt talks about comics!
I am absolutely in love with this series. It's the best monthly ongoing series published by the Big Two right now.
Finally the comrade Hulk we allways needed.
Quick reminder that as of right now, Matter-Eater Lad is officially canon in the DCEU
One of my favorite Marvel comics ever. Nicely done.
Behold! As I e n g a g e with your content! Seriously... good work as usual.
stop using DID in horror challenge. ppl who aren't part of a system stop writing about having DID challenge. otherwise this sounds really interesting actually
and stop writing DID as the only form of plurality challenge, there's many types of plurality including mixed origins.
Idk, immortal hulk feels like it actualy put care and effort into not just making a stereotype and actually went into the realities of it
hey not to be a dick but if people can literally only write people with all the same qualifiers as them you're basically going to have people writing very small cast of weirdly similar characters. There are some experiences that should only get a deep dive from members of that community(or members of that community heavily involved) but we need to be able to write diverse casts.
@@SisterRose This is just saying "Stop making plural systems the scary bad guys, we're way more likely to be attacked than attack people.
@@stm7810 yes this. thank you
I read all 33 issues currently published to get ready to watch this video and they are awesome.
As a system. My honest to god favorite part of it was actualy in the most recent issue. Where Bruce and the big guy have a chat in headspace. And the hulk tells banner that in the past. He was obsessed with trying to get back to "normal". To somehow not be a system anymore. He looked for a cure or for some way to get rid of them. Or even kill himself just so he wouldn't be that way
And they actualy talk over how that was like. A really bad a shitty thing to do. And that it isn't wrong to exist like this. And the others in the system deserve respect as well. Not something to me medicalized away or be cured
Thanks so much for sharing this! we're blind so we can't read comics and it is great knowing this was said!
glad you made this video, I had a hard time reading this book. This will help me when I try to get back into it!
Not enough TH-cam channels talk about Immortal Hulk so as soon as I saw this in my recommended I subscribed.
Keeeep up the good work!
So many things making me want to check out comics lately. This looks real interesting
Great review, and captures how astonishingly good and unique this is. Al Ewing forever.
I read the first 12-ish issue arc of the immortal hulk when that was all that was out, and honestly I'm pleasantly surprised to find out that it's still going? that first arc felt so conclusive and self-contained that i just assumed it was over.
It's been a great and surprising run. And the art really sells it.
Most of the concepts relating to dissociative identity disorder have actually been a part of Hulk comics since the 80s
Gaaaawd damn it, lad. Now you are getting me to buy comics. Why did you have to make it sound so interesting?
This is my favourite version of the Hulk. Brilliant writing
Nice Re-Animator shirt man. Love that movie. I was glad it got some love when it got a kill count done on it.
Subscribed :)
Immortal Hulk slaps. Thanks for covering this.
I think you should give The Punisher a way deeper dive than you have, because he's definitely not the 'fascists wet dream' even if they want him to be. Trust me, the cops who use Punisher logos have never read a single comic, they just like skulls. The secret to understanding The Punisher is that you must understand that the Punisher is the villain, very much like Judge Dredd. I suggest the Garth Ennis run, Punisher MAX, where we really delve into his psyche. He is quite literally a psychopath and in this series Ennis explores his motivations to an extreme degree, and it is decided in no uncertain terms that The Punisher just enjoys killing people, and is only using the death of his family as an excuse. The drama found in The Punisher is in the inner monologue. Yellow boxes represent The Punisher thinking, white boxes represent Frank Castle and there is a constant struggle between them.
What you have to understand if no one reads comic books anymore so they can basically do what they want
"I wanna know where it goes!" I'm gonna go on a limb, wild guess, and say Hulk will smash someone.
I just finished Immortal Hulk. It was great. Thanks for the tip. Glad they got to wrap it up before this Joe Bennett stuff blew up.