This is just a self-fulfilling prophecy. The Viktor at the end of episode 6 is not his final form. Jayce killing him will make that Viktor that Jayce dreads, and that horrible future will still come sadly, even if Jayce did not kill him. I think Ambessa would have after Viktor declined to help her. The future Jayce saw was still going to happen regardlessly
You got it bro That's my opinion also And Viktor was pure love and peace One side of the coin He now understands he needs to be both sides of the coin He now will embrace hate a s anger So Jayce has created the monster he was trying to prevent If Viktor had been left alone, his evolution would be different It would be an evolution based on love and peace Instead of based on love, peace anger and hate Seems like we're on a winning idea bro
I agree, viktor definitely was doing what he was out of compassion as when singed speaks with him about how using Warwick to evolve him would make him immortal or something viktor refused to sacrifice vander but now he will make sacrifices and will take away humanity as his final monologue foreshadows, he talks about the nature of man and how it is self destructive, new viktor will strip away humanity and replace it with machine or the arcane or something
Totally agree, i think Jayce created what he tried to prevent. I also think that we won't see Sky anymore guiding Viktor, as to show that Jayce killed the human part of Viktor only to leave the deshumanized side of him. I know sometimes drastic choices must be made, but i would be pretty miffed if the writers depicted an act of violence that caused a bloodbath as something to be celebrated and "the right thing to do".
Exactly...what Jayce feared wasn't the current Viktor but the Viktor that's yet to come....from the sneak peak of the next act it looks like Dr. Reveck is doing smth with Viktor's body...and that's the Viktor that's going to become a problem....a mindless and corrupted Viktor
Adding on to your point of Salo clearly not breathing, the monster vision Jayce was seeing him as didn't have a mouth, this Jayce is 100% from the future
6:36 in some QnA, the writers said that they won't kill off characters for shock value, but that they will perish when their time comes, in response to a person asking about plot armor for league champions
Its also possible they just straight up lied so people dont watch it with the idea that they don't have immunity to the plot. Their are a lot of characters I can see being killed in this last act. If Warwick doesnt die I can see him coming back just to save his daughters or Jayce sacrificing himself as his character is leaning towards that. Vi, Cait and Jinx are probably safe but its not impossible for one of them to die.
On a note, when Warwick first came to Viktor for help, Warwick did instinctively back off and become cautious when Viktor was approaching. For a thin metal man to cause Warwick to be on guard like that, perhaps what Viktor truly was is something menacing in its own nature and should be feared.
I'm leaning on the time-loop theory, where Jayce has tried so many times to stop the future he foresaw, killing Viktor each time. But in his usual, full-steam-ahead beefcake-ness, he's not realized that it's killing Viktor that BRINGS that future to be.
Maaan, you are making absolutely great materials! The detail with breathing, daaamn, I got my jaw dropped. Anyway, great summaries, superb descriptions, thank you for that! Hope your channel will grow, it deserves for it, that's for sure!
Am I tripping or did Viktor not say he plans to supersede nature which means take place of? And Everyone is like omg we love you vik He said it himself the thing that makes people strive to do good is the path to the greatest evil
@@equestrianrosie Seems like it. But, that's not necessarily bad. It's hard to say what that really means, since Viktor himself while unemotional, doesn't seem void of personality or agency, nor do his followers (at least IMO). Ridding yourself of emotion is usually what it means to become enlightened. Tibetan monks for example aren't emotional, but I wouldn't call them inhuman. It's all about becoming one with the universe, which doesn't require discriminatory emotions like love or hate (there's nothing inherently good about love, since it excludes most people from it and especially people who need it most).
I believe jayce saw a future where viktor or the arcane and hextech had become some horror or nightmare so he killed viktor to destroy that possibility however viktor definitely was doing what he was out of compassion as when singed speaks with him about how using Warwick to evolve him would make him immortal or something viktor refused to sacrifice vander but now he will make sacrifices and will take away humanity as his final monologue foreshadows, he talks about the nature of man and how it is self destructive, new viktor will strip away humanity and replace it with machine or the arcane or something therefore causing said horrors, i dont doubt viktor was being manipulated from the start or that his cult was bad, no, but i do think when viktor comes back he will enact his manipulators plan much more willingly to the point where viktor will probably side with whatever evil is behind all of this causing the terrible future jayce saw much more quickly and "effectively", if jayce instead had tried to convince viktor what hes doing isnt actually saving his people, maybe by showing him they dont breath, he would've been able to stop the upcoming calamity he witnessed in the future without killing viktor and causing him to lose faith in humanity.
Viktor was doing what he was doing out of compassion, but that doesn't mean what he was doing was good. Just look on the effect his 'healing' has on his followers - Salo doesn't breathe, and when Viktor dies they all die with him. Whatever Viktor is doing is terrifying beneath the surface, he just doesn't know it. Neither does anyone else except Jayce.
@@someoneelse3456 fair enough it's just hard on mobile and I don't normally use actual paragraphs I just wanted to point out that I had already stated that I don't doubt viktors cult was bad but I get how that could've been missed as it is a long comment
you were so right brother and i never doubted jayce not even a little Viktor was too sus but Viktor is both bad and good old Viktor is the begining of everything
The show can't be just about "Arcane bad,", at least IMO. They are doing a hell of a job to make the commune seem "fine" for lack of a better word. Nothing so far indicates that the members lose their whole inner self. Yes, Salo and Huck change completely as characters, but a revelation can do that to someone (Plus what they did to Vander really seemed like therapy and nothing nefarious). Their bodies are no doubt close to machines than humans at this point. That's why they're not breathing, or at least their body temp is so low that its not visible in the hextech chamber. I hope Viktor is more of a showcase of the double edged sword of the Arcane, or the sacrifice that comes with it. To me, the existence of Sky in Viktors mind also could make this go either way. If she's actually there, then there's something to his plan, since the human mind essentially ascends to a higher plane. But if she's just part of his imagination or own self fracting off, then she's truly dead and so are the commune members (and Jayce would be 100% justified in his behavior). It still could go either way, since Jayce's decision still makes sense if he just saw something that wasn't necessarily the future of this timeline, or if he's creating that timeline in the first place with his actions (which he probably couldn't know).
I don't think it's just the Arcane at play. Runes are catastrophically important in League's lore. So much so that one character is dedicated to hunting major types down and sealing them. Additionally, there's the Void that's out and about, fucking with shit.
@@leifklover1081 The Void is definitely involved throught Shimmer. The hexcore isn't just the Arcane, but the Arcane fused with void influence. But truly, nobody knows what that means! Yeah, the void seems REALLY bad, it consumes, it brings everything to nothingness, but maybe it also...makes all one, unites everything, ascends you to a higher plane in unity with the universe. It's not just "bad" or "evil" because it destroys our small, and not very spiritual, understanding of what is "human". And I don't think whatever Viktor is tapping into is that simple to understand and label. I really hope that the writers of Arcane and the league lore don't go into the direction of "power corrupts" and "everything outside of humanity is bad and corrupting", and call it a day. It's too simple, and been done to death. Personally I don't think they are, because the way Viktor and Sky's interaction with Vander was portrayed really inspired me and showed the upsides of the Commune and possibly even the Void!
im so glad i found your channel. I am watching arcane 2, and until launch of act 3 im watching your videos about it, and im liking them too much. Thanks!
I think he did I think he created the monster he was trying to stop He has sent Viktor from a peaceful hive mind that helps people Into a angry hive mind who wants to force it on everyone
@@Loc123cool bro what u one about I’m not even talking about that useless kid and also it was is actions in being reckless with the hammer that lead to the attack the memorial being even more death on his name and don’t even get me started on the fact he combined with vi missed the shot on one of the shimmer freaks jayce is the worst
3:30 ngl Jayce killing that kid is such a weird scene to me looking back on it. like i understand why it happened narratively, but why the hell was that kid still just running around in there alongside the chem warrior dudes. it kinda just feels like it happened because it had to happen, which makes it feel a little forced to me. anyway the framing of Jayce as a villain this season while he's in the right reminds me of the first season where he's shown to be in the right against Heimerdinger of how they frame him by inaction and kind of make him a bit of a villain to Jayce in s1 when Heimer is the one in the right
@@NahNahNahnana It worked for me. Isha has been shown as increasingly reckless and idolizing Jinx, who herself hasn't exactly shown strong self preservation instincts. Idolizing Jinx and being clever, slippery and observant. Snatching those crystals and seeing a moment to swoop in and protect Jinx felt entirely in character to me and a natural conclusion of Isha's arc.
Lack of body heat in an animal that is warm blooded is a really bad sign. Human beings are warm blooded. If you have your internal temperature drop so low that your own breath doesnt cause condensation in a cold area. That means your internal body temperature matches the temperature of the surrounding area which means that Salos body temperature was ice cold i.e. not among the living.
@@darklightimages maybe that just means his organs were replaced with machine/hextech-powered ones, viktor himself said he doesn't feel "cold" but a charge, yes it was his whole body that was transformed while only Salo's legs are visibly different but we don't know the extent of Viktor's powers and what his followers look like in the inside
Damn so if vander was able to be brought back he'd be an empty husk of arcane Vudu? there's just no happy ending is there here. I think we all just gotta accept these people are dead.
I suppose Jayces actions put an end to Victors first attempt at helping humanity with his glorious evolution, but now Jayces actions may show victor that humanity cannot be saved or something, but honestly it also could be that Victor is partially destroyed and the arcane or a being from the arcane take control of his mind and body. It still feels strange that victor could become anything like an evil character similar to his in game version, he is such a nice considerate guy. Character arcs need to show gradual changes, but Victor has become more empathetic over time, so how does he flip to something evil?
Now that you mention it, the parallels between Jayce and Jinx go crazy Both want to do what's best for their loved ones and emsave them in their time of need, but they end up fucking everything up and making shit worse unintentionally They're both equally tragic
Part of the problem with Jayce's story at the end of Act 2 is that its rooted in so much of the show's mythology while being incomplete that viewers, like me, who still don't fully comprehend what the Arcane is cannot tell what the stakes are for each character by the end of said Act 2. We, unfortunately have to wait for Act 3 and/or watch videos like this.
@@SleepingChimes There's nothing actually wrong with it. It just causes confusion that, among other things, has people thinking the storyline is rushed, when really, they are missing the nuanced details such as what was in the video.
Yea, at the time but what happens when he will finally exhaust the power the void gave him cos it was diminishing the more he healed, the void is actually very smart it needs those pipu he is healing n here i was thinkhing they were finally healed, and hexcore has been learning to adapt, I fear now singe might heal him back.
@@ijforgaming760 what I see going on between both friends is a deep misunderstanding birth by miscommunication .When you put yourself in victors position, you really lack understanding of the why and how the arcane works, victor can't for sure know why he can heal them but it's affecting him or why he seeing sky in the spiritual dimension when it was the hex that actually killed her, I believe even with all that power the arcane is responsible for his limitations. Like why should all his devotees die just cos he is dead, why are their lives linked to him. Jayce on the other hand is seeing a future version of all victor's devotees are monsters which I cant explain cos they aren't monsters at the moment. This means tho victor is good now but something is deceiving jayce to push victor to the reality where victor becomes really evil making seem like jayce was justified to kill victor.
lol this did not age well. I would argue the opposite regarding the Jayce being the good guy "hero of the series" in the act of attacking Victor. Victor made it clear to his teacher that he did not intent to corrupt his vision by using Vander for more power. He wanted to talk to Jayce, and Jayce wanted to kill Victor. I would argue that if ayce didn't attack but rather spoke and used his words in that very moment. Act 3 would have been completely different. The deaths, war and etc of Act 3 was caused by Jayce's foolish and fear fueled acts.
I for one didn't want the tragedy to go in this direction. To a certain extent, I kinda want them to be both wrong and right. I want the hexcore to be both a corruption and a saving grace. In my head cannon victor becomes corrupted not because of the hexcore persay but because of his attempts to stop his magic from running out, or by getting a refill from shimmer.
It was a saving grace until Jayce destroyed it That commune was purely peaceful and loving Now Jayce has done this Viktor is saying I understand now, you need to be both sides of the coin... Embracing hate and anger Jayce caused this shift I don't understand how the hive mind Jayce destroyed was bad But I can see how it could be used for bad... And I think that's what we will get, Viktor using it for bad now he is embracing more than peace and love
@@daz97 Vikor will eventually give up on humanity anyway and will transform his prosperous commune into void-like hell. Jayce tried to end this at the beginning before Viktor corrupts millions of people.
@sirikeeton1389 But I didn't see that happening It seemed like Viktor only wanted to use it on unwell people that he could help I think what Jayce has done will make him try and do it to millions of people Because he isn't just peace and love anymore as he said when talking about the two sides of the same coin So imo Jayce stopped him from the peaceful side Pushed him towards fighting and not being pure goodness He won't give up on humanity until he fails on his new plan of forcing people to obey and join the hive How can anyone think he or what he was doing was evil? He never forced anyone He never did anything that anyone who didn't seem to need his help He admitted himself he is only one side of the coin... The good side It's why he said I see now, hate etc is the other side of the coin So imo he is saying I now see that being purely good is ineffective it led to our demise I believe what Jayce wanted to stop is what Jayce has caused Viktor to become now Not what Viktor was during act 2 Because in act 2 he hasn't embraced anything negative, he was only acting like 1 side of the coin See my point?
@@sirikeeton1389 I think Viktor was pure good and peaceful Until Jayce did this It's like Viktor says... I see now Humanity is both sides of the same coin Peace and love But also hate and anger The commune and Viktor was pure good imo But now he is accepting the other side of the coin also, so now he won't be pure love and peace and that is because of Jayces actions So I believe Jayce has created the evil hive mind he wanted to prevent... Because Jayce rushed in, he didn't stop yo notice that wasn't what Viktor was doing, he was only using the hive mind to help people who wanted him to do this to them So now Jayce will have to try and stop the problem he played a role in creating Once Jayce stops him this time, obviously Viktor will give up on humanity as you say But in my opinion Jayce has created the problem he tried to avoid by rushing in and not trying to prevent Viktor from making this final evolution I assume if this never happened that Viktors final evolution would have been even more towards the side of love and peace But now, it won't be
@@daz97 Viktor is my favorite character in the show. But Jayce just doing what Viktor asked him to do before hexcore corrupted him. We know from the begining that arcane can destroy whole worlds and hexcore looks just like thing that cause the destruction in the past. Now Viktor creating new kind of people, they are not people anymore. And the reason for him to give up on humanity and his good intentions was dialog with Doctor, not exactly Jayce attack. And dont forget Viktor do not have power to save more people, his strength have limits. Eventually he must use something to enhance his power, something that will change him even more. Jayce saw this comming. He triggered Viktor before all humanity perish when healthy individuals start joining Viktor's community. I think if not Jayce then Ambessa, Black Rose or someone else will attack Victor community in the search of power. Corruption of Viktor ideas and dreams is unavoidable. But stopping him early will save a lot of lifes. Jayce is not Jayce anymore but so and Viktor.
The problem with this is while yes viktor’s power maybe linked to evil or some form of horror I don’t believe viktor was to far gone to not change his path or even just tell him what would happen and change his mind Viktor wasn’t fully evil and i doubt he would have gone full evil if jayce didn’t kill him Basically if jayce was in the right to stop him How he stopped him matters He can either try to save viktor or kill him Basically it’s a luke skywalker dilemma Redeem Darth Vader who has done horrible shit already Or kill Ben solo who hasn’t done anything truly wrong yet and try to prevent his path Yet what if Luke tried to kill both regardless of circumstances You only insure Anakin or Ben stay or become Vader or Kylo Jayce wanting to stop viktor is one thing Doing it by trying to kill him Only insures viktor will become the villain Rather then save him
I have a hypothesis, although I know very little about the history of lol. But would it be plausible that the creatures of the void were created by the people that Viktor cured?
@@matheusp.c.the void is an ancient dimension. Who created the void? whatever god is in arcane. The void is a dimension which imvades ohters and consumes them. It's ancient and is as old as the celestials (the guys who created the planet of runna terra).
@@johanalejandrocazadordepin7225 i get It, thanks for answering. So... Does the creatures Jayce saw in his visions, could be a sign that the hexcore power Viktor is using, have opened a portal from void to runeterra?
The way you put it that Jayce was wrong to save Viktor is not humane at all. That's cold man. Find some warmth in that heart. I suppose you would be one of the people to propose death of children (like Hitler) while still in their mothers' womb. There's hope in all people. Yes even those that just got conceived in the womb. Jayce did nothing wrong in saving Viktor after the blast. However, when the injured Viktor got to the lab, his body responded to the hexcore and he no longer was Viktor from that moment on. Meaning Viktor died. (Truth: the whole show is a mockery of Christ. They mock Jesus, they mock the Word of God). This is how the devil has infiltrated into the industry. Not to worry though, even if Christ is brasphemed He remains exalted above all other. If only they can see, they are not hurting Christ but themselves. You punch the knife, you wound yourself. We praise you Jesus. Amen
Dayum , Nice work Brother I myself think Evolution (which is the more or less the :fate" of all life )s evil ;evil according to the set of Morals we have developed after we obtained consciousness . Singed embrace this fact about life , the good , the bad , the evil all of it . Victory try to evolve beyond it hence creating a generation of Souless shells of androids who are programmed according to Victor's (or maybe Arcane's ) perception of good . I myself , accept this about life , but dont believe we can Evolve beyond it . Hence I think we should self extinct our kind . Stop reproducing .
I think he created the future he seen by attacking Viktor Because Viktor was only 1 side of the coin during act 2 It was all love and peace No one was forced He only used it on those who needed help etc Now, well after what Jayce did he is obviously going to embrace both sides of the coin, so we will see him embrace hate and anger So he will try to rebuild the commune, but this time he will force it on everyone And that also leads into... The inspiration for our greatest good is also the cause of our greatest evil So I think Jayce has created what he wanted to prevent
This is just a self-fulfilling prophecy. The Viktor at the end of episode 6 is not his final form. Jayce killing him will make that Viktor that Jayce dreads, and that horrible future will still come sadly, even if Jayce did not kill him. I think Ambessa would have after Viktor declined to help her. The future Jayce saw was still going to happen regardlessly
You got it bro
That's my opinion also
And Viktor was pure love and peace
One side of the coin
He now understands he needs to be both sides of the coin
He now will embrace hate a s anger
So Jayce has created the monster he was trying to prevent
If Viktor had been left alone, his evolution would be different
It would be an evolution based on love and peace
Instead of based on love, peace anger and hate
Seems like we're on a winning idea bro
I agree, viktor definitely was doing what he was out of compassion as when singed speaks with him about how using Warwick to evolve him would make him immortal or something viktor refused to sacrifice vander but now he will make sacrifices and will take away humanity as his final monologue foreshadows, he talks about the nature of man and how it is self destructive, new viktor will strip away humanity and replace it with machine or the arcane or something
Totally agree, i think Jayce created what he tried to prevent. I also think that we won't see Sky anymore guiding Viktor, as to show that Jayce killed the human part of Viktor only to leave the deshumanized side of him. I know sometimes drastic choices must be made, but i would be pretty miffed if the writers depicted an act of violence that caused a bloodbath as something to be celebrated and "the right thing to do".
Exactly...what Jayce feared wasn't the current Viktor but the Viktor that's yet to come....from the sneak peak of the next act it looks like Dr. Reveck is doing smth with Viktor's body...and that's the Viktor that's going to become a problem....a mindless and corrupted Viktor
If Viktor had gotten through with Warwick, he would be completely under the control of Viktor. That also doesn't bode well for vander.
Adding on to your point of Salo clearly not breathing, the monster vision Jayce was seeing him as didn't have a mouth, this Jayce is 100% from the future
6:36 in some QnA, the writers said that they won't kill off characters for shock value, but that they will perish when their time comes, in response to a person asking about plot armor for league champions
Its also possible they just straight up lied so people dont watch it with the idea that they don't have immunity to the plot. Their are a lot of characters I can see being killed in this last act. If Warwick doesnt die I can see him coming back just to save his daughters or Jayce sacrificing himself as his character is leaning towards that. Vi, Cait and Jinx are probably safe but its not impossible for one of them to die.
@@Grimbop and things took the worst again
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Warwick killed lil j
I love that there are equally compelling video’s for jayce being right and wrong about the current situation
On a note, when Warwick first came to Viktor for help, Warwick did instinctively back off and become cautious when Viktor was approaching. For a thin metal man to cause Warwick to be on guard like that, perhaps what Viktor truly was is something menacing in its own nature and should be feared.
I'm leaning on the time-loop theory, where Jayce has tried so many times to stop the future he foresaw, killing Viktor each time. But in his usual, full-steam-ahead beefcake-ness, he's not realized that it's killing Viktor that BRINGS that future to be.
Maaan, you are making absolutely great materials! The detail with breathing, daaamn, I got my jaw dropped. Anyway, great summaries, superb descriptions, thank you for that! Hope your channel will grow, it deserves for it, that's for sure!
Yeah, this guy is good.
Am I tripping or did Viktor not say he plans to supersede nature which means take place of?
And Everyone is like omg we love you vik
He said it himself the thing that makes people strive to do good is the path to the greatest evil
He means emotions should be discarded since love is good and all but quickly leads to hate and destruction. He will erase all emotion.
@ but that’s his thoughts after Jayce kills him
What I stated, he said when talking to singed
@@equestrianrosie Seems like it. But, that's not necessarily bad. It's hard to say what that really means, since Viktor himself while unemotional, doesn't seem void of personality or agency, nor do his followers (at least IMO). Ridding yourself of emotion is usually what it means to become enlightened. Tibetan monks for example aren't emotional, but I wouldn't call them inhuman. It's all about becoming one with the universe, which doesn't require discriminatory emotions like love or hate (there's nothing inherently good about love, since it excludes most people from it and especially people who need it most).
I believe jayce saw a future where viktor or the arcane and hextech had become some horror or nightmare so he killed viktor to destroy that possibility however viktor definitely was doing what he was out of compassion as when singed speaks with him about how using Warwick to evolve him would make him immortal or something viktor refused to sacrifice vander but now he will make sacrifices and will take away humanity as his final monologue foreshadows, he talks about the nature of man and how it is self destructive, new viktor will strip away humanity and replace it with machine or the arcane or something therefore causing said horrors, i dont doubt viktor was being manipulated from the start or that his cult was bad, no, but i do think when viktor comes back he will enact his manipulators plan much more willingly to the point where viktor will probably side with whatever evil is behind all of this causing the terrible future jayce saw much more quickly and "effectively", if jayce instead had tried to convince viktor what hes doing isnt actually saving his people, maybe by showing him they dont breath, he would've been able to stop the upcoming calamity he witnessed in the future without killing viktor and causing him to lose faith in humanity.
Viktor was doing what he was doing out of compassion, but that doesn't mean what he was doing was good. Just look on the effect his 'healing' has on his followers - Salo doesn't breathe, and when Viktor dies they all die with him.
Whatever Viktor is doing is terrifying beneath the surface, he just doesn't know it. Neither does anyone else except Jayce.
There is one of two options: The Void or Battlecast. The first is much more likely to occur.
@@someoneelse3456 I know I said that about halfway through my paragraph
@@Iiiiiiiiiiiii1iiiiiiiiiiiiiI That's a block, needs to be split into multiple paragraphs tbh
@@someoneelse3456 fair enough it's just hard on mobile and I don't normally use actual paragraphs I just wanted to point out that I had already stated that I don't doubt viktors cult was bad but I get how that could've been missed as it is a long comment
you were so right brother and i never doubted jayce not even a little Viktor was too sus but Viktor is both bad and good old Viktor is the begining of everything
The show can't be just about "Arcane bad,", at least IMO. They are doing a hell of a job to make the commune seem "fine" for lack of a better word. Nothing so far indicates that the members lose their whole inner self. Yes, Salo and Huck change completely as characters, but a revelation can do that to someone (Plus what they did to Vander really seemed like therapy and nothing nefarious). Their bodies are no doubt close to machines than humans at this point. That's why they're not breathing, or at least their body temp is so low that its not visible in the hextech chamber.
I hope Viktor is more of a showcase of the double edged sword of the Arcane, or the sacrifice that comes with it. To me, the existence of Sky in Viktors mind also could make this go either way. If she's actually there, then there's something to his plan, since the human mind essentially ascends to a higher plane. But if she's just part of his imagination or own self fracting off, then she's truly dead and so are the commune members (and Jayce would be 100% justified in his behavior). It still could go either way, since Jayce's decision still makes sense if he just saw something that wasn't necessarily the future of this timeline, or if he's creating that timeline in the first place with his actions (which he probably couldn't know).
yeah, just plain “arcane bad” would be kinda lame anyway
I don't think it's just the Arcane at play. Runes are catastrophically important in League's lore. So much so that one character is dedicated to hunting major types down and sealing them. Additionally, there's the Void that's out and about, fucking with shit.
@@leifklover1081 The Void is definitely involved throught Shimmer. The hexcore isn't just the Arcane, but the Arcane fused with void influence. But truly, nobody knows what that means! Yeah, the void seems REALLY bad, it consumes, it brings everything to nothingness, but maybe it also...makes all one, unites everything, ascends you to a higher plane in unity with the universe. It's not just "bad" or "evil" because it destroys our small, and not very spiritual, understanding of what is "human". And I don't think whatever Viktor is tapping into is that simple to understand and label.
I really hope that the writers of Arcane and the league lore don't go into the direction of "power corrupts" and "everything outside of humanity is bad and corrupting", and call it a day. It's too simple, and been done to death.
Personally I don't think they are, because the way Viktor and Sky's interaction with Vander was portrayed really inspired me and showed the upsides of the Commune and possibly even the Void!
He looks so good with a beard. Default in game Jayce scares me. Those eyebrows and jawline are spooky.
im so glad i found your channel. I am watching arcane 2, and until launch of act 3 im watching your videos about it, and im liking them too much. Thanks!
Jayce did nothing wrong
I think he did
I think he created the monster he was trying to stop
He has sent Viktor from a peaceful hive mind that helps people
Into a angry hive mind who wants to force it on everyone
He’s is indirectly the reason isha had to die
He just killed a child in ss1 ,no big deal
@@mervgandishander
I think he did do something wrong
I think he created the issue he was trying to prevent
@@Loc123cool bro what u one about I’m not even talking about that useless kid and also it was is actions in being reckless with the hammer that lead to the attack the memorial being even more death on his name and don’t even get me started on the fact he combined with vi missed the shot on one of the shimmer freaks jayce is the worst
shout out to the channel man these videos are sick haha much love
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3:30 ngl Jayce killing that kid is such a weird scene to me looking back on it. like i understand why it happened narratively, but why the hell was that kid still just running around in there alongside the chem warrior dudes. it kinda just feels like it happened because it had to happen, which makes it feel a little forced to me. anyway the framing of Jayce as a villain this season while he's in the right reminds me of the first season where he's shown to be in the right against Heimerdinger of how they frame him by inaction and kind of make him a bit of a villain to Jayce in s1 when Heimer is the one in the right
There were loads of kids they workers in the mines.
Kids have been working in the mines since Vander and Silco were kids, and that particular kid was probably a supervisor given his family business.
That was the kid of the chembaroness, he was the one to call the chempunks and probably expected to make short work of jayce and vi
For me Isha suicide is forced
@@NahNahNahnana It worked for me. Isha has been shown as increasingly reckless and idolizing Jinx, who herself hasn't exactly shown strong self preservation instincts. Idolizing Jinx and being clever, slippery and observant. Snatching those crystals and seeing a moment to swoop in and protect Jinx felt entirely in character to me and a natural conclusion of Isha's arc.
Salo was breathing cuz he can talk but he might not have any bodyheat
Which is still just as bad
Lack of body heat in an animal that is warm blooded is a really bad sign. Human beings are warm blooded. If you have your internal temperature drop so low that your own breath doesnt cause condensation in a cold area. That means your internal body temperature matches the temperature of the surrounding area which means that Salos body temperature was ice cold i.e. not among the living.
talking does not require breathing. AI can talk
@@darklightimages maybe that just means his organs were replaced with machine/hextech-powered ones, viktor himself said he doesn't feel "cold" but a charge, yes it was his whole body that was transformed while only Salo's legs are visibly different but we don't know the extent of Viktor's powers and what his followers look like in the inside
you don't need to breathe to talk. also they just don't have any of their personality left, none at all they're just shells
Damn so if vander was able to be brought back he'd be an empty husk of arcane Vudu? there's just no happy ending is there here. I think we all just gotta accept these people are dead.
I love your analysis of Arcane.
💯 He does a Great Job
I really like this summary it really weaves in how he is manipulated and then finally acts on his own
TFW I both directly AND indirectly create every problem in the story
Then I fix half of it, so i become the hero of the story ❤
I suppose Jayces actions put an end to Victors first attempt at helping humanity with his glorious evolution, but now Jayces actions may show victor that humanity cannot be saved or something, but honestly it also could be that Victor is partially destroyed and the arcane or a being from the arcane take control of his mind and body. It still feels strange that victor could become anything like an evil character similar to his in game version, he is such a nice considerate guy. Character arcs need to show gradual changes, but Victor has become more empathetic over time, so how does he flip to something evil?
The thing about the breathing was interesting, I didn't notice that when I watched it. Good catch!
Now that you mention it, the parallels between Jayce and Jinx go crazy
Both want to do what's best for their loved ones and emsave them in their time of need, but they end up fucking everything up and making shit worse unintentionally
They're both equally tragic
Jayce is that dude.
Jayce is tripping.
He might’ve got in contact with the Void somehow. I think he overreacted big time. 🤷🏿♂️
Excellent analysis! It really makes a lot of sense.
Or at least, it gives me hope that Jayce is not actually mad 😅
you deserve more viewership
4:57 these animators and writers are inhuman
I feel 2 champion deaths coming, maybe a minor and major character. Like Heimerdinger and Jinx or maybe Viktor. Somebody dying though.
viktor tranformation is like a fixed point in time. it is unchangable. jayce did what he can there...
Part of the problem with Jayce's story at the end of Act 2 is that its rooted in so much of the show's mythology while being incomplete that viewers, like me, who still don't fully comprehend what the Arcane is cannot tell what the stakes are for each character by the end of said Act 2. We, unfortunately have to wait for Act 3 and/or watch videos like this.
i like that tho
@@SleepingChimes There's nothing actually wrong with it. It just causes confusion that, among other things, has people thinking the storyline is rushed, when really, they are missing the nuanced details such as what was in the video.
Victor was no threat at that time,he was unarmed he should have talked first may be victor could understand by his friend words
Yea, at the time but what happens when he will finally exhaust the power the void gave him cos it was diminishing the more he healed, the void is actually very smart it needs those pipu he is healing n here i was thinkhing they were finally healed, and hexcore has been learning to adapt, I fear now singe might heal him back.
wdym not a threat he just uses his powers for "good" instead of evil. he couldve really done anything with his arcane powers
@@ijforgaming760 what I see going on between both friends is a deep misunderstanding birth by miscommunication .When you put yourself in victors position, you really lack understanding of the why and how the arcane works, victor can't for sure know why he can heal them but it's affecting him or why he seeing sky in the spiritual dimension when it was the hex that actually killed her, I believe even with all that power the arcane is responsible for his limitations. Like why should all his devotees die just cos he is dead, why are their lives linked to him. Jayce on the other hand is seeing a future version of all victor's devotees are monsters which I cant explain cos they aren't monsters at the moment. This means tho victor is good now but something is deceiving jayce to push victor to the reality where victor becomes really evil making seem like jayce was justified to kill victor.
Jayce: I just wanted to make the world a better place! 😫
HOLY SHIT THE BREATHING I DIDN'T NOTICE
But in turn Jayce the "hero" was hated by most of the viewers
The arcane is Archaic
And the hex tech Casts a hex on humanity.
lol this did not age well.
I would argue the opposite regarding the Jayce being the good guy "hero of the series" in the act of attacking Victor. Victor made it clear to his teacher that he did not intent to corrupt his vision by using Vander for more power. He wanted to talk to Jayce, and Jayce wanted to kill Victor. I would argue that if ayce didn't attack but rather spoke and used his words in that very moment. Act 3 would have been completely different. The deaths, war and etc of Act 3 was caused by Jayce's foolish and fear fueled acts.
I for one didn't want the tragedy to go in this direction. To a certain extent, I kinda want them to be both wrong and right. I want the hexcore to be both a corruption and a saving grace. In my head cannon victor becomes corrupted not because of the hexcore persay but because of his attempts to stop his magic from running out, or by getting a refill from shimmer.
It was a saving grace until Jayce destroyed it
That commune was purely peaceful and loving
Now Jayce has done this Viktor is saying
I understand now, you need to be both sides of the coin...
Embracing hate and anger
Jayce caused this shift
I don't understand how the hive mind Jayce destroyed was bad
But I can see how it could be used for bad...
And I think that's what we will get, Viktor using it for bad now he is embracing more than peace and love
@@daz97 Vikor will eventually give up on humanity anyway and will transform his prosperous commune into void-like hell. Jayce tried to end this at the beginning before Viktor corrupts millions of people.
@sirikeeton1389
But I didn't see that happening
It seemed like Viktor only wanted to use it on unwell people that he could help
I think what Jayce has done will make him try and do it to millions of people
Because he isn't just peace and love anymore as he said when talking about the two sides of the same coin
So imo Jayce stopped him from the peaceful side
Pushed him towards fighting and not being pure goodness
He won't give up on humanity until he fails on his new plan of forcing people to obey and join the hive
How can anyone think he or what he was doing was evil?
He never forced anyone
He never did anything that anyone who didn't seem to need his help
He admitted himself he is only one side of the coin...
The good side
It's why he said I see now, hate etc is the other side of the coin
So imo he is saying I now see that being purely good is ineffective it led to our demise
I believe what Jayce wanted to stop is what Jayce has caused Viktor to become now
Not what Viktor was during act 2
Because in act 2 he hasn't embraced anything negative, he was only acting like 1 side of the coin
See my point?
@@sirikeeton1389
I think Viktor was pure good and peaceful
Until Jayce did this
It's like Viktor says...
I see now
Humanity is both sides of the same coin
Peace and love
But also hate and anger
The commune and Viktor was pure good imo
But now he is accepting the other side of the coin also, so now he won't be pure love and peace and that is because of Jayces actions
So I believe Jayce has created the evil hive mind he wanted to prevent...
Because Jayce rushed in, he didn't stop yo notice that wasn't what Viktor was doing, he was only using the hive mind to help people who wanted him to do this to them
So now Jayce will have to try and stop the problem he played a role in creating
Once Jayce stops him this time, obviously Viktor will give up on humanity as you say
But in my opinion Jayce has created the problem he tried to avoid by rushing in and not trying to prevent Viktor from making this final evolution
I assume if this never happened that Viktors final evolution would have been even more towards the side of love and peace
But now, it won't be
@@daz97 Viktor is my favorite character in the show. But Jayce just doing what Viktor asked him to do before hexcore corrupted him. We know from the begining that arcane can destroy whole worlds and hexcore looks just like thing that cause the destruction in the past. Now Viktor creating new kind of people, they are not people anymore. And the reason for him to give up on humanity and his good intentions was dialog with Doctor, not exactly Jayce attack. And dont forget Viktor do not have power to save more people, his strength have limits. Eventually he must use something to enhance his power, something that will change him even more. Jayce saw this comming. He triggered Viktor before all humanity perish when healthy individuals start joining Viktor's community. I think if not Jayce then Ambessa, Black Rose or someone else will attack Victor community in the search of power. Corruption of Viktor ideas and dreams is unavoidable. But stopping him early will save a lot of lifes. Jayce is not Jayce anymore but so and Viktor.
Jayce "I won't fail"
All I keep thinking about 🤨
HOW do you still make a Child-killer a fking hero, didn't we learn anything?
So this video is theorizing about whether if jayce killing viktor was right or wrong and whether if hes the hero or not, am I correct?
The problem with this is while yes viktor’s power maybe linked to evil or some form of horror
I don’t believe viktor was to far gone to not change his path or even just tell him what would happen and change his mind
Viktor wasn’t fully evil and i doubt he would have gone full evil if jayce didn’t kill him
Basically if jayce was in the right to stop him
How he stopped him matters
He can either try to save viktor or kill him
Basically it’s a luke skywalker dilemma
Redeem Darth Vader who has done horrible shit already
Or kill Ben solo who hasn’t done anything truly wrong yet and try to prevent his path
Yet what if Luke tried to kill both regardless of circumstances
You only insure Anakin or Ben stay or become Vader or Kylo
Jayce wanting to stop viktor is one thing
Doing it by trying to kill him
Only insures viktor will become the villain
Rather then save him
Boy been to rift and back few matches.
Miquella=Viktor
Jayce my hero
nice vid
I have a hypothesis, although I know very little about the history of lol. But would it be plausible that the creatures of the void were created by the people that Viktor cured?
No.
@vladbularca who created void then?
@@matheusp.c.the void is an ancient dimension. Who created the void? whatever god is in arcane. The void is a dimension which imvades ohters and consumes them. It's ancient and is as old as the celestials (the guys who created the planet of runna terra).
@@johanalejandrocazadordepin7225 i get It, thanks for answering.
So... Does the creatures Jayce saw in his visions, could be a sign that the hexcore power Viktor is using, have opened a portal from void to runeterra?
I think Ekko will be the Hero.
The way you put it that Jayce was wrong to save Viktor is not humane at all. That's cold man. Find some warmth in that heart.
I suppose you would be one of the people to propose death of children (like Hitler) while still in their mothers' womb.
There's hope in all people. Yes even those that just got conceived in the womb. Jayce did nothing wrong in saving Viktor after the blast.
However, when the injured Viktor got to the lab, his body responded to the hexcore and he no longer was Viktor from that moment on. Meaning Viktor died.
(Truth: the whole show is a mockery of Christ. They mock Jesus, they mock the Word of God). This is how the devil has infiltrated into the industry.
Not to worry though, even if Christ is brasphemed He remains exalted above all other. If only they can see, they are not hurting Christ but themselves. You punch the knife, you wound yourself.
We praise you Jesus. Amen
you meant Defender of Tomorrow
Dayum , Nice work Brother
I myself think Evolution (which is the more or less the :fate" of all life )s evil ;evil according to the set of Morals we have developed after we obtained consciousness .
Singed embrace this fact about life , the good , the bad , the evil all of it .
Victory try to evolve beyond it hence creating a generation of Souless shells of androids who are programmed according to Victor's (or maybe Arcane's ) perception of good .
I myself , accept this about life , but dont believe we can Evolve beyond it . Hence I think we should self extinct our kind . Stop reproducing .
I don't think Singed accepts it at all, he wants to revert death, that is going 100% against natural evolution
Jayce might've been wrong......but thanks to him he fastened the process of making Viktor what he is.....at every turn....he made Viktor
if you need a spoiler
go search the latest jayce splash art for TFT China
he definitely see "something" in the future
I think he created the future he seen by attacking Viktor
Because Viktor was only 1 side of the coin during act 2
It was all love and peace
No one was forced
He only used it on those who needed help etc
Now, well after what Jayce did he is obviously going to embrace both sides of the coin, so we will see him embrace hate and anger
So he will try to rebuild the commune, but this time he will force it on everyone
And that also leads into...
The inspiration for our greatest good is also the cause of our greatest evil
So I think Jayce has created what he wanted to prevent
Is there any link for this??
Shush devil
jayce did nothing wrong