With many thanks for both these aspects to my most kind correspondent, who raised both these issues in a recent email to me. Sorry, I keep saying 'pathogens' in the smoke - I am using the wrong word here (which I do correct towards the end of the video), and I am sorry for this - I meant the TOXIC affects of the third-hand smoke - the 'genotoxic' nature of it - that can even cause SIDS, as well as many other serious effects.
Here's a comment found on Reddit about Hummingbird recruitment: 'I think they have to fill gaps whenever someone leaves them for another role (often elsewhere with police) and anyone risk-averse or ambitious will now be applying for any secondment or promotion going to get away from that case. So recruitment doesn't really tell us anything.'
Additionally, exposure to second-hand smoke can increase the risk of sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), respiratory infections, and other health issues
I work in a hospital. I've seen nurses go to the toilet , come out without washing their hands and go back on the ward to tend to patients. Also doctors and consultants coming into and leaving the ward without sanitising their hands . Hand hygiene is massively important for infection control.
It's outrageously ridiculous. Unbelievable and disgusting. A total waste of tax-payers money. When OAPs etc cannot afford warmth, mothers cannot afford to feed children and have heat etc.,
Hummingbird wont bring more charges against Lucy. The ones she was convicted of are shot to pieces. Have you seen Stuart Gilham's latest re. insulin. Cheers Mark. Can't post link ?
Hi Bernie - yes, I very much doubt they will bring any further charges either. Thanks for the heads-up about Stuart Gilham's video - will watch. All best. Mark
@hopeisthething1965 that is wonderful that people are supporting you this way. I have just finished by interview with David Kurten, it should be put later today. 👍🙏
We should all apply for the jobs with the police, they could do with some fresh perspectives 😊 Even if the the smokers did wash their hands.... they wouldve been playing Russian roulette with the taps!...... Good find Mark
Yes, they definitely could do, Tasha! I did apply to join the Met back in 2022, as it happens, but backed out at the point of the final interview in what was a lengthy process. Yes - as you say - Russian Roulette with the taps, as a matter of course!
Ignaz Phillip Semmelweis 1818 - 1865 was the first doctor to study post delivery deaths (puerperal fever) he was working in Vienna at the time He hypothesised and tested many causes eventually coming to a very odd conclusion that a small particle (the eye can not see) ie pathogen being transferred from one patient to another He postulated in fact insisted all staff should wash their hands between patients for which he was deemed really bizarre Eventually, he was put into an asylum because of his ideas ????? Sadly he died of sepsis himself Very interesting story and a good movie Some clinicians still don’t get it and seem to think they are exempt
Well done again Mark. Just when I thought things couldn’t look any worse for the unit you present this. If true it is yet another disturbing issue. Appeal court judges are well known for not wanting to admit that jury verdicts might be wrong but in this case, with all the new evidence now available, some of it outlined in the barrister’s press conference and David Davies speech in Parliament, I don’t see how they can refuse to re- open the appeal or at the very least order a re- trial. If the latter happens I feel the case will be dismissed early on by the judge as it will quickly become clear that there is really no case at all. She is innocent.
I wonder what the job description is for operation Hummingbird. Must have confirmation bias and an inability to read door swipe data correctly. Statisticians need not apply.
Here's what ChatGPT says about third-hand smoke: Third-hand smoke refers to the residual contamination from tobacco smoke that lingers on surfaces, clothing, furniture, walls, and other materials long after the visible smoke and smell have dissipated. Unlike second-hand smoke, which involves inhaling smoke from a burning cigarette or exhaled by a smoker, third-hand smoke consists of particles and chemicals that settle and persist in the environment. These residues can remain for days, weeks, or even longer, depending on the cleaning and ventilation of the area. Key Characteristics: Chemical Composition: Third-hand smoke includes nicotine, formaldehyde, benzene, toluene, and other carcinogens and toxins present in tobacco smoke. These chemicals can react with other environmental compounds to form new harmful substances. Persistence: It clings to porous surfaces like fabrics, carpets, and upholstery. It can also embed itself in walls, ceilings, and ventilation systems. Health Risks: Prolonged exposure can lead to health problems, especially in vulnerable populations such as infants, young children, and individuals with pre-existing respiratory conditions. Infants and toddlers are at higher risk because they frequently crawl on floors, touch contaminated surfaces, and put objects in their mouths. Some studies suggest that third-hand smoke may increase the risk of respiratory illnesses, asthma, and even certain cancers over time. Reactivation: When exposed to heat, humidity, or friction, the chemicals in third-hand smoke can re-enter the air as particulate matter, leading to inhalation risks. Prevention and Mitigation: Avoid Smoking Indoors: Smoking should be prohibited indoors and in cars, as these spaces trap and accumulate third-hand smoke. Thorough Cleaning: Wash or replace fabrics, carpets, and curtains; scrub walls and ceilings; and use specialized cleaning agents. Ventilation: Proper ventilation can help reduce airborne contaminants but may not eliminate those on surfaces. Quit Smoking: The most effective way to prevent third-hand smoke is to stop smoking entirely. Research and Awareness: The concept of third-hand smoke gained attention in the late 2000s, with increasing evidence highlighting its persistence and potential health risks. Public health campaigns often emphasize the importance of smoke-free environments to mitigate its impact.
It’s not good to not wash your hand in most if not nearly all instances (can only think of one situation which I will come to in a second!) before and after touching someone particularly a very vulnerable neonate But seriously in that unit at the time your hands would probably be cleaner before you wash them than after. That’s the one situation I can think of that I’d think twice before touching the taps and water Yuck
“Washing hands” is about washing hands directly before handling any baby and is takes place in the same room where the baby is. Nurses historically chase doctors to wash their hand and they hate it🩺
i searched an academic database i have access too - "third had smoke" 831 results - add neonate, 0 results - found this but can't access it - "Newborns exposed to third-hand smoke, Irish Medical Times, 2015-12, Vol.49 (45), p.25" - it's important to be thorough and look, because you never know what else you might find while looking - i got a bit distracted when you mentioned she was stressed - there's another avenue to explore if you haven't already - stressed people make mistakes - there'll be studies on the effects of stress for sure - also, i wanna know who she is - it's not right that she has anonymity - how can witnesses backgrounds not be relavant - likewise for other protected doctor - i want read their academic work - exacly what did they study - what did they say in their published academic works
A wonderful out of the box!!!!! Excellent thinking !!!!! I will look this up….but as a nurse who worked with adults and applied a lot of nicotine patches on smokers to keep them from smoking while in the hospital….well if nicotine can easily absorbed by adults…..imagine how well it is absorbed thru the very thin skin of premies…….
Yes, absolutely - and it is wholly due to my correspondent who came up with this thought, and I am merely relaying it in my video. With thanks to them.
@hopeisthething1965 you are too humble…..that video sparked an excellent conversation with the troops….so take pride in that and pat yourself on the back
A waste of money to investigate LL. There is a doctor with the letter "V" which sounds like "Venquious", she was involved with baby G and witnessed large amount of vomit. We hardly hear about her. I am not a smoker but allergic to nicotine smoking, which causes skin irritation on my face and swelling of the eyelids. Dry tongue and nausea. A breach of conduct for not washing hands. May be there was a good reason for them not to wash their hands with sewage water on the ward. Voila.
Yes - this has come up before, and is really important, I think, Helen - and I did a video about this aspect - centering on one of the babies, and looking at the number of vaccines given. I can't remember the title, but it's on this channel - And it's another huge potential rabbit hole, I think. And in some ways - in respect of vaccines given to Mums it could also form part of an even larger hinterland.
It's the normal schedule as far as I know, which might include one given soon after birth if e.g. mother is Hep B positive. The vitamin K, which prevents haemorrhagic disease of the newborn is not a vaccine but a vitamin as it says. Premature and low birth weight infants are extremely vulnerable to infection, the premature infant in particular misses out on antibodies passed on via the placenta at the end of pregnancy. That's why poor infection control (pseudomonas cultured from taps, foul water backing up into sinks, sewage leaks, poor hygiene practices by staff like not washing hands (even if you put gloves on later that doesn't stop the spread of bugs) is a serious issue. Making sure the baby is protected as much as possible is important, this includes the adults caring for the baby and the family taking every step including taking vaccines themselves to try and prevent transmission of disease. There's risks with everything you do.
@@adiudicium thank you. But when you look into vaccines the Absolute Risk Reduction is tiny, for the flu vaccine, less than 1%. We’ve now found out that the risks are massively understated as well. Surely, improving the mother’s immune status should be a priority, particularly for those who have immigrated to a northern climate from a southern climate. Dr David Grimes has written extensively about his experienced of working in North West England.
I spent 10 days in a MAU unit in a hospital in Manchester, all the nurses washed their hands ,but none of the doctors did ,they did stride around like little gods
This is called "Passive smoking" from the third party in the environment. They could dispute that they were wearing gloves a a barrier. But I heard that nicotine absorbed instantly on latex gloves and leave patches of brown marbles.
How do we know that she didn't wash her hands? She may have washed them in the toilet nearest to where she smoked. Just because no one saw her washing her hands does not mean that she did not do it.
Parents observation is one thing, as Jar says above, and possibly other sources - would need to understand better John Sweeney's range of sources for this allegation. But yes, I don't know definitively whether she washed her hands or not - which is why I say 'allegation' etc throughout the above video.
Whether she washed her hands or not there is absolutely no way this doctor should have been going outside for a smoke break. Dr B should have washed her hands when she entered the neonatal unit and no-one appears to have seen her doing that.
Mark….if they are having to ask for new recruits to the police, it means replacements for the rats jumping the ship, but where else can we find the rats jumping the ship?….the Lucy haters are decreasing in comments/ videos…..no doctor or lawyer is coming to the defense of dewy and the judge…..every area is loosing steam….they have no leader…..you need to do a video with a rat theme and satirize them 😂😂😂 😂
@@NineteenNurses I just had a bit of a nervous crash to do with social media, and other difficult personal things going on of late. Hope all is going well in the group, Pat! all best to all members of our little group, and hope everyone is bouyed up after David Davis's speech. Sending all best. Mark
With many thanks for both these aspects to my most kind correspondent, who raised both these issues in a recent email to me.
Sorry, I keep saying 'pathogens' in the smoke - I am using the wrong word here (which I do correct towards the end of the video), and I am sorry for this - I meant the TOXIC affects of the third-hand smoke - the 'genotoxic' nature of it - that can even cause SIDS, as well as many other serious effects.
Toxins?
@@WesleyWattley-xy4fg Toxins - yes, that's perfect, tyvm.
Thanks Mark ❤
tyvm
Here's a comment found on Reddit about Hummingbird recruitment:
'I think they have to fill gaps whenever someone leaves them for another role (often elsewhere with police) and anyone risk-averse or ambitious will now be applying for any secondment or promotion going to get away from that case. So recruitment doesn't really tell us anything.'
That's interesting, thank you Turquoise!
In other words… the rats maybe jumping ship 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Additionally, exposure to second-hand smoke can increase the risk of sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS), respiratory infections, and other health issues
So who told you that. The Govt?
I work in a hospital. I've seen nurses go to the toilet , come out without washing their hands and go back on the ward to tend to patients. Also doctors and consultants coming into and leaving the ward without sanitising their hands . Hand hygiene is massively important for infection control.
I agree, Annie. Thank you.
Oh my dear God those poor little babys😢 and lucy 😢 .
Hummingbird recruitment: imho they are bluffing. This is in response to press conference.
Yes - could well be.
When and where can I find the press conference please ?
@@ellsvsp th-cam.com/video/RiqvU0GTq-8/w-d-xo.html
@@ellsvsp this is a good link on jabe's channel, ellsvsp th-cam.com/video/RiqvU0GTq-8/w-d-xo.html
I agree although I did think they might charge Lucy with some made up crime just to shut the media up for a year. It would never get to trial.
It's outrageously ridiculous.
Unbelievable and disgusting. A total waste of tax-payers money. When OAPs etc cannot afford warmth, mothers cannot afford to feed children and have heat etc.,
Hummingbird wont bring more charges against Lucy. The ones she was convicted of are shot to pieces. Have you seen Stuart Gilham's latest re. insulin.
Cheers Mark. Can't post link ?
Hi Bernie - yes, I very much doubt they will bring any further charges either. Thanks for the heads-up about Stuart Gilham's video - will watch. All best. Mark
Good investigative work Mark. Third hand smoke endangers these vulnerable babies. So irresponsible! This needs to be emphasised in the proceedings. 😢
Cheers, Amanda - all credit due to my correspondent who brought it up in an email to me recently. Hope all good with you. 🙂
@hopeisthething1965 that is wonderful that people are supporting you this way. I have just finished by interview with David Kurten, it should be put later today. 👍🙏
I have wondered for some time if the charges all relate to Datix entries from Lucy.
i have too, esymmetry! at least the bullying campaign, that eventually leads to the charges
@hopeisthething1965btw I think it was from a parent’s note that she didn’t wash her hands after smoking.
Me too. I think Mark McDonald should demand access to all Lucy's Datix reports. Could well be fundamental to this case
Yes. Lucy was the real whistleblower
@@karenwall8643100,000%
Datix reports are crucial
We should all apply for the jobs with the police, they could do with some fresh perspectives 😊
Even if the the smokers did wash their hands.... they wouldve been playing Russian roulette with the taps!......
Good find Mark
Yes, they definitely could do, Tasha! I did apply to join the Met back in 2022, as it happens, but backed out at the point of the final interview in what was a lengthy process. Yes - as you say - Russian Roulette with the taps, as a matter of course!
Ignaz Phillip Semmelweis 1818 - 1865 was the first doctor to study post delivery deaths (puerperal fever) he was working in Vienna at the time
He hypothesised and tested many causes eventually coming to a very odd conclusion that a small particle (the eye can not see) ie pathogen being transferred from one patient to another He postulated in fact insisted all staff should wash their hands between patients for which he was deemed really bizarre
Eventually, he was put into an asylum because of his ideas ?????
Sadly he died of sepsis himself
Very interesting story and a good movie
Some clinicians still don’t get it and seem to think they are exempt
This connects exactly with the kind of dynamics that seems to have been going on between Lucy, who was a stickler for the rules, and the Gang of four.
Yes, it really does, doesn't it. Cheers, John.
Yes!
Well done again Mark. Just when I thought things couldn’t look any worse for the unit you present this. If true it is yet another disturbing issue. Appeal court judges are well known for not wanting to admit that jury verdicts might be wrong but in this case, with all the new evidence now available, some of it outlined in the barrister’s press conference and David Davies speech in Parliament, I don’t see how they can refuse to re- open the appeal or at the very least order a re- trial. If the latter happens I feel the case will be dismissed early on by the judge as it will quickly become clear that there is really no case at all. She is innocent.
I wonder what the job description is for operation Hummingbird. Must have confirmation bias and an inability to read door swipe data correctly. Statisticians need not apply.
Here's what ChatGPT says about third-hand smoke:
Third-hand smoke refers to the residual contamination from tobacco smoke that lingers on surfaces, clothing, furniture, walls, and other materials long after the visible smoke and smell have dissipated. Unlike second-hand smoke, which involves inhaling smoke from a burning cigarette or exhaled by a smoker, third-hand smoke consists of particles and chemicals that settle and persist in the environment. These residues can remain for days, weeks, or even longer, depending on the cleaning and ventilation of the area.
Key Characteristics:
Chemical Composition: Third-hand smoke includes nicotine, formaldehyde, benzene, toluene, and other carcinogens and toxins present in tobacco smoke. These chemicals can react with other environmental compounds to form new harmful substances.
Persistence: It clings to porous surfaces like fabrics, carpets, and upholstery. It can also embed itself in walls, ceilings, and ventilation systems.
Health Risks:
Prolonged exposure can lead to health problems, especially in vulnerable populations such as infants, young children, and individuals with pre-existing respiratory conditions.
Infants and toddlers are at higher risk because they frequently crawl on floors, touch contaminated surfaces, and put objects in their mouths.
Some studies suggest that third-hand smoke may increase the risk of respiratory illnesses, asthma, and even certain cancers over time.
Reactivation: When exposed to heat, humidity, or friction, the chemicals in third-hand smoke can re-enter the air as particulate matter, leading to inhalation risks.
Prevention and Mitigation:
Avoid Smoking Indoors: Smoking should be prohibited indoors and in cars, as these spaces trap and accumulate third-hand smoke.
Thorough Cleaning: Wash or replace fabrics, carpets, and curtains; scrub walls and ceilings; and use specialized cleaning agents.
Ventilation: Proper ventilation can help reduce airborne contaminants but may not eliminate those on surfaces.
Quit Smoking: The most effective way to prevent third-hand smoke is to stop smoking entirely.
Research and Awareness:
The concept of third-hand smoke gained attention in the late 2000s, with increasing evidence highlighting its persistence and potential health risks. Public health campaigns often emphasize the importance of smoke-free environments to mitigate its impact.
Thanks so very much, Edward - brilliant information - thanks so much!!
I hate selfish people who smoke and don't understand the health risks to none smokers 😮
over 90% of NICU furniture is contaminated with nicotine
Gosh!
It’s not good to not wash your hand in most if not nearly all instances (can only think of one situation which I will come to in a second!) before and after touching someone particularly a very vulnerable neonate
But seriously in that unit at the time your hands would probably be cleaner before you wash them than after. That’s the one situation I can think of that I’d think twice before touching the taps and water
Yuck
“Washing hands” is about washing hands directly before handling any baby and is takes place in the same room where the baby is.
Nurses historically chase doctors to wash their hand and they hate it🩺
i searched an academic database i have access too - "third had smoke" 831 results - add neonate, 0 results - found this but can't access it - "Newborns exposed to third-hand smoke, Irish Medical Times, 2015-12, Vol.49 (45), p.25" - it's important to be thorough and look, because you never know what else you might find while looking - i got a bit distracted when you mentioned she was stressed - there's another avenue to explore if you haven't already - stressed people make mistakes - there'll be studies on the effects of stress for sure - also, i wanna know who she is - it's not right that she has anonymity - how can witnesses backgrounds not be relavant - likewise for other protected doctor - i want read their academic work - exacly what did they study - what did they say in their published academic works
Thanks so much, Dottie! That sounds like a very interesting study - ideal, if we could only access it. Perhaps Dr McConville could?
A wonderful out of the box!!!!! Excellent thinking !!!!! I will look this up….but as a nurse who worked with adults and applied a lot of nicotine patches on smokers to keep them from smoking while in the hospital….well if nicotine can easily absorbed by adults…..imagine how well it is absorbed thru the very thin skin of premies…….
Yes, absolutely - and it is wholly due to my correspondent who came up with this thought, and I am merely relaying it in my video. With thanks to them.
@hopeisthething1965 you are too humble…..that video sparked an excellent conversation with the troops….so take pride in that and pat yourself on the back
Very interesting mark thank you for sharing this
A waste of money to investigate LL.
There is a doctor with the letter "V" which sounds like "Venquious", she was involved with baby G and witnessed large amount of vomit. We hardly hear about her.
I am not a smoker but allergic to nicotine smoking, which causes skin irritation on my face and swelling of the eyelids. Dry tongue and nausea.
A breach of conduct for not washing hands. May be there was a good reason for them not to wash their hands with sewage water on the ward. Voila.
Ah, yes thank you. Ventriss? Something like that? Yes - they could wash their hands at a sink contaminated with pseudonomas aeruginosa.
Do neonates in the UK get vaccines? I read a reputable US medical article which states that the early birth of the baby is not accounted for.
Yes - this has come up before, and is really important, I think, Helen - and I did a video about this aspect - centering on one of the babies, and looking at the number of vaccines given. I can't remember the title, but it's on this channel - And it's another huge potential rabbit hole, I think. And in some ways - in respect of vaccines given to Mums it could also form part of an even larger hinterland.
It's the normal schedule as far as I know, which might include one given soon after birth if e.g. mother is Hep B positive. The vitamin K, which prevents haemorrhagic disease of the newborn is not a vaccine but a vitamin as it says.
Premature and low birth weight infants are extremely vulnerable to infection, the premature infant in particular misses out on antibodies passed on via the placenta at the end of pregnancy. That's why poor infection control (pseudomonas cultured from taps, foul water backing up into sinks, sewage leaks, poor hygiene practices by staff like not washing hands (even if you put gloves on later that doesn't stop the spread of bugs) is a serious issue. Making sure the baby is protected as much as possible is important, this includes the adults caring for the baby and the family taking every step including taking vaccines themselves to try and prevent transmission of disease.
There's risks with everything you do.
@@adiudicium thank you. But when you look into vaccines the Absolute Risk Reduction is tiny, for the flu vaccine, less than 1%. We’ve now found out that the risks are massively understated as well. Surely, improving the mother’s immune status should be a priority, particularly for those who have immigrated to a northern climate from a southern climate. Dr David Grimes has written extensively about his experienced of working in North West England.
@hopeisthething1965 particularly a certain vaccine given to mums!
@@helenporter7584 Yes, a more recent one - for sure - and also other ones given during the time period in question.
Oy! Did someone really skimp on handwashing? That's really bad if true!
That is the allegation - which comes up in the John Sweeney article, linked in the description above.
I spent 10 days in a MAU unit in a hospital in Manchester, all the nurses washed their hands ,but none of the doctors did ,they did stride around like little gods
This is called "Passive smoking" from the third party in the environment. They could dispute that they were wearing gloves a a barrier. But I heard that nicotine absorbed instantly on latex gloves and leave patches of brown marbles.
Thank you, Marie!
How do we know that she didn't wash her hands? She may have washed them in the toilet nearest to where she smoked. Just because no one saw her washing her hands does not mean that she did not do it.
There is a parent statement about it….dont remember which parent
Parents observation is one thing, as Jar says above, and possibly other sources - would need to understand better John Sweeney's range of sources for this allegation. But yes, I don't know definitively whether she washed her hands or not - which is why I say 'allegation' etc throughout the above video.
@ absolutely mark…..you need to protect yourself
Whether she washed her hands or not there is absolutely no way this doctor should have been going outside for a smoke break. Dr B should have washed her hands when she entered the neonatal unit and no-one appears to have seen her doing that.
Mark….if they are having to ask for new recruits to the police, it means replacements for the rats jumping the ship, but where else can we find the rats jumping the ship?….the Lucy haters are decreasing in comments/ videos…..no doctor or lawyer is coming to the defense of dewy and the judge…..every area is loosing steam….they have no leader…..you need to do a video with a rat theme and satirize them 😂😂😂 😂
Hey
Hi Pat. Hope all good your end, and Happy New Year.
@ yes all good happy new year to you too. We were all worried you were okay. You left without a word
@@NineteenNurses I just had a bit of a nervous crash to do with social media, and other difficult personal things going on of late. Hope all is going well in the group, Pat! all best to all members of our little group, and hope everyone is bouyed up after David Davis's speech. Sending all best. Mark
You are so handsome.......I love watching and hearing you ........I do not know the subject I just love you .