Upgrading Our Ford Super Duty Headlights Was a PAIN And Took FOREVER - But Totally WORTH IT!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2020
- ( www.F150LEDs.com ) In this video, we show just how difficult it can be to change the stock halogen headlight bulbs on our 2020 Ford F-250 Super Duty. It can be a major pain, but just wait until you see the results!
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I love all your TFL videos Andre
Then you are an asshole.
Someone at Ford got a huge bonus for figuring out how to take a 15 minute DIY job and turn it into two hours of billable and necessary routine shop labor! Go Ford!
Ehh I worked at a ford dealership for 4 years until I recently quit. They weren't using the right tools or know the quickest ways to do it. If you have the right tools and know what you're doing, it wouldn't take more than 30 minutes. But yeah definitely not the funnest design, especially for home gamers.
RIP on-coming traffic eyes, there are reasons manufacturers have different reflectors for different bulbs. Should have contacted Morimoto for a set of legitimate LED headlight assemblies that have the correct reflectors for LEDs.
Joe Doing Random Agreed. You have to be careful of which LEDs you use. Some do very poorly with beam pattern.
So 2 things, first , Morimoto doesn’t have a headlight assembly for 2020 SD yet. And second, do you have any idea how much they cost??? Sorry but would go with LED replacement bulbs every time. But I would also realign the headlights.
@@Matts000 Agreed, but they literally chose the worst possible LED bulb design, proper LED bulbs mimic the filament of the halogen bulb, these are just some cheap, outdated domed design.
Correction: I didn't realize they were given these LEDs before I made my comment.
Jesusfeathers very true, doing a little research never hurts
@@Matts000 Agreed! Always should check the headlight alignment and beam pattern.
Can't wait to see how those fans hold up in a off road environment.
I dunno about those headlights but my 2019 expedition has rubber gaskets that seal the back of the housing so no dust issues here from backroad use.
I agree Steve unlike the F-150 those headlight bulb fans are exposed to the elements and I too wonder how long they'll hold up
I have a 93 f150 with led headlights with fans like that I live down 3 miles of dirt and rock cover roads haven't had an issue with my fans. The lights are nearly 2yrs old now
That’s actually a good point. What’s the failure rates for the fans? I personally have never heard anyone bring this up
@@AnontheGOAT These are made for 2020 F-150s, not 2019s.
Placing LEDS inside reflectors is horrible, no cut off and light patterns goes everywhere blinding other drivers.
Dario O So true. They made a mistake.
Roman even knew, and mentioned that in video
This is because lower quality LEDs are being used. Higher quality options like GTR Ultra 2.0 or Morimoto 2-Stroke 3.0 give much better results. Those companies actually spend time and money on research and development.
On top of that, most people don't PROPERLY adjust the headlights after doing this type of upgrade. There's more to adjusting headlights than facing a wall and using a screwdriver.
Just add aux.lights for more light when you need it for off-road. Then you don’t destroy everyone’s corneas while driving around town.
You DO NOT need to remove the grill or housings to replace with new bulbs. It's a 15 minute task at best. The drivers side has so much room, you can just reach in there and swap them out. The passenger side, you pull up on the air intake box and swap them out. We did this on our new 2020 F-250
Exactly..no need to remove the headlight assemblies. Found a video demonstrating this... th-cam.com/video/newdH4_qxy0/w-d-xo.html
but they weren't just replacing bulbs. there is a harness and you don't want that just dangling there. so they did it the proper way.
STACKANE - I did mine by just swapping the bulbs and the zip tying the ballasts up & out of the way.
Thank you for the heads-up.
@@Stackali Previoulsy, In the first video, they were just replacing the bulbs. And they also removed the complete assemblies to just change those bulbs.
I’m glad someone stepped up to the plate and hooked you guys up with some proper LED’s. I put some GTR Ultra 2’s in my 2017 Ram 2500 and also had to pull the entire front end off as well. They even worked well with projector housings!
Blinded by the light, hit by a douchebag in the middle of the night.. blinded by the light...
TFL Gang, Thanks for sharing this video. I did a very similar LED conversion with my 2019 F350 and it does take a fair amount of time and involves considerable disassembly. I was surprised by some of the additional wiring harnesses elements required in the kit, such as the Fog lights. Fog Light swap was very easy by itself. I will say that I did this for about half the price with All and Yorkim Led Lights on Amazon and was very happy with the quality. I also replaced the Front & Rear Signal and Brake LEDs and still was substantially less than the F150LED Cost.
Of course now your lights and truck are not street legal. I'd be curious to know how or if they match the DOT required light pattern at all.
they should have used Noctua fans. They'd move more air and do so dead quiet.
I’ve bought several lights from Headlight Revolution. And so far been happy. I like the side by side testing they do of brands they sell.
Nice video guys. Love the headlights and fog lights.
The stock XLT headlights are an embarrassment.
Great video, guys! I wish I could find LEDs for my '15 Ram 1500 like these from F150LEDs. Most LEDs headlamps out on the market are junk. They're marketed for their styling, not output. Did a G search and comes up with pages of the same junk
How much extra time did looking for 10mm sockets add to the overall install time?
Boy, Tommy really is a Grumpy Gus. I thought he was just playing one on TV.
Like father, like son. Snarky attitudes for sure.
I have a 2019 Lariat and insisted on the quad beam LEDs. Only problem I have is everyone flashing their lights at me thinking I have my high beams on- even after the recall adjustment! They are super bright and I love them!!
Hugh Jinvaney And who cares if other drivers are blinded. They have some nerve trying to see the road.
Rich Eastmain I know right.
That means you're an asshole and are blinding everyone else. I flip on my high beams and keep them on for people like you.
Nick Motsarsky I can’t see your little girl high beams from my truck.
@@scarroll625 You absolutely can. I drive an X3 suv and it has full factory LED headlights. The brights are extreme. Nice try though, douche.
Andre, since you didn't show it, did you guys clock the bulbs after installing them? The LED bulbs have an adjustment to allow you to position them correctly. They need to be clocked to where the bulb "blade" is vertical and the diodes point to the left and right.
That Chrome grill would look Awesome on my wall..look at how Huge it is!!! Nice job Andre!☺And Case
May want to look into the Morimoto led headlight replacement. Built to properly focus LED's so it won't blind oncoming traffic. Pricey though.
I used CSP mini led from headlight revolution in my 16 f150. They have a really good beam, almost like factory but much brighter. It would be hard with the f250 but at least with the t150 you can just reach up from the fender well so you don’t have to take anything apart.
Be careful Andre! I don't know about the 2020 F250, but most headlight reflectors are designed to reflect a specific type of light. So if your headlight reflectors were designed to properly reflect and focus incandescent light, it will not reflect/focus LED light the same way. Many of these reflectors create very bright stray light (unfocused) in bad directions that blind oncoming traffic. I almost got into an accident because of an oncoming vehicle who did what you have done. In most states, you can get a ticket for this, so pay attention to re-aiming and dealing with tray light from your headlights or you could find yourself to blame for an accident.
If the LED headlight replacements are the proper shape, and imitate the halogen bulb in the light pattern, it is not a problem.
@@lanceripplinger8352 I've never seen an LED bulb that was shaped the same as a halogen. Unless the headlight is a projector style vs reflector, then you have less to worry about. From what I am seeing in the TFL video, they look like reflector housings to me, so I think Andre needs to be careful.
Nice upgrade! Will be interesting to see how long the fans last on those.
God choice Andre.
Got f150 leds in my f 150 for 5 year's now, they did never disappoint.
Great job ! Looks much more modern . So why didn’t you replace the turn signals and marker lights ? Lasfit & Headlight Revolution make a turn signal light with built it resistors . Enjoy the truck !!
What was the illumination pattern BEFORE? I see is a lot of light in the upper hemisphere. What I want to know is if there is more light where it matters: on the street.
$300 for set???? They're out of their minds, and anyone is a sucker for buying these retail price. Grab some Morimoto's or any Amazon brand with good trusted reviews. Nice tutorial tho!
I might be wrong, but hot parts usually fail sooner than cooler temperature parts. Yellow fog lights have always been my pick for cutting through fog and snow. LED white/blue fog lights are popular though.
LED's are amazing! Buuttt... Very little heat output so driving in the snow makes it fun when you have to get out and clear snow from your lights.. Cannot wait to see the results
I miss when swapping out bulbs was simple! My 03 Mercury Mountaineer just has quick release system and the whole housing comes out. You can swap out bulbs or a entire housing in less than 5min!
Gonna be blinding people. Those are not design for hid/led. You need projectors in order for them to work properly.
glad I'm not the only one to notice that.
I have a sedan so absolutely hate when these lifted trucks are behind me or blinding me with mostly off road upgraded lights.
absolutely wrong. a properly engineered led bulb mimics the filament of a halogen bulb, perfectly acceptable to use in a reflector housing.
@@isaac198428 solution...buy a truck...problem solved.
@@harmonicoutreach No it doesn't, light behaves differently coming from an unfocused LED. You get a lot more "bloom" effect from the chip vs a halogen filament which contributes to the excessive scatter of light that you find on improperly modified headlights.
Miss the days of the GM pin system to get headlights out. 2 pins and boom the headlight comes right out. But they should just come with better headlights, safety should be first.
Nice work andre and Alex that's why I got the Laramie come standard with led's they are amazing
This truck really needed this mod
I've always hated the LEDs with the fans on them, they were noisy and still burnt out quick, especially after the fan stopped when dirt and salt got sucked up in them. I did find a Philips style that lasted way longer that had no fan.
That process reminds me of having to swap out my headlights on my old 2013 GMC Sierra truck. Definitely not user friendly. But the light output is where it needs to be. Cross your fingers on durability.
I'm LED obsessed! Changed all the bulbs on my 2018 Rav4 Adventure. Accept, for the blinkers. I don't want to mess with resistors or load equalizers.
I did this my 2015 Ford Focus. 6 speed put all led light. Before we when trip to Colorado in July. To August
So I have a 2015 f250 and my headlight bulbs are stock still. I have been looking for brighter lights. More like LED bulbs. I am having difficulty finding a good right brand that will work for my truck and for me to see better at night. Any brands or thoughts?
If you have just the low beam on it should light up just the top one? Or both of them? I just installed mine on my 2019 f250 lariat but didn't have resistors so I ordered some got one side only and took it off and now just the top one works on low and the other side still low n high on?
What happens if a grain of sand gets in the fan and it stops turning? How long will the bulb last?
Will the automatic bright dimmer still work with these LEDs???
Any recommendations for 9007 led bulbs for my 04 ram 1500?
I just made an order from these folks based off your video, I really hope they are as advertised!!!
I can vouch for f150 LEDs, I used there LEDs on my old f150 like 4-5 years ago and they all still work. My sister has the truck now and there still going. Surviving NY winters and salt is hard for any led.
You guys should take a look at new assemblies from Morimoto XB. Best decision I ever made in my F-150. Lights are top notch and look amazing.
Are y’all gonna put a ranch hand bumper on there?
I also hava a XLT 2020 f350 without fog lights. He is right, Just Candle lights for headlights and when i worked in the mountains for 3 mos, I added Baja Design Fog Lights to my bumper and it made a huge difference especially driving around tight turns in the mountains. I will be adding Projector LED as my main headlights like the Mirimoto M LED. Forget the Bulbs. Projectors is the way to go!
Great upgrade 👍
we will see how long they last before they have issues. I had similar lights from the same manufacturer on my 2015 F150. They lasted a year. I switched to PUTCO lights. havent had an issue since (knock on wood)
What your calling the voltage regulator is actually a CAN Bus module, and the fog lights have a resistor. Both trick the body computer to simulate the same resistance as the original Halogen bulbs to keep from turning on the headlight out message on the truck display. You should be able to activate LED front lighting eliminating the need for the modules and resistors. A Ford dealer or a body builder should have a program to enable LED lighting. IDK about Ford, but RAM has the AlfaOBD app you can get for android, and turn LED lighting yourself.
What happens when you get dirt/mud/muddy water into the fan on that LED?
Hope those resistors are placed well because they get waay hotter than you think
It funny to see Tommy and Andre to have a conversation about headlights.
Can you please show the beam pattern at night on a wall with low and high beam? I have a 2020 and have tried 4 different set of LEDs and they all have a spotty beam and not super impressed.
Morimoto xb headlight housing and fogs, the best!!
Here's a plan for manufacturers, just put the better lights in everything. Surely they can cut that cost elsewhere on a base truck.
No new vehicle should still have 50 year old design halogen reflector based headlights IMO.
So true!
"BuT tHaT'd CoSt An ExTrA $250 aNd We NeEd As MuCh PrOfIt As PoSsIbLe!!!!"
Ya I doubt manufacturers costs on led and hid headlights are that high anymore. Not to mention the engineering costs to create two different headlight designs would probably outweigh the price difference anyway. They do it for one reason, so the people buying the fancy version feel better about spending more. It's just like designing multiple radios in the 90s instead of putting cd players in everything
br ly hey man I ain’t gonna lie I look down on the other trucks with the old school head lights 😂
I loved my LED retrofit bulbs until my first snow. They did not generate enough heat to prevent snow and ice accumulation on the lenses...
Have Tommy come from the other direction in the Subaru at night, so we can get a report on how it looks from there. Since Super Duties already fry oncoming drivers with the weak sauce halogens, I expect this will be ugly. The shots at the end make it look like the hot spot is now left of the centerline....probably this is now one of those trucks that you flash your high-beams and their responding flash is briefly dimmer. I can show them some nice dark roads for the test, near my house, then dinner at their favorite Chinese restaurant .
Ford should be ashamed for selling a truck with such poor headlights, how much was that truck to buy,
LEDs suck in the winter...ice will form on the lens because if little to no heat.
Wow. Put a set of sea light led’s in my 2017 F-150 counting fog lights. 20 minute install. If I had to take the front end apart I would have replaced all the bulbs with led’s. Plus no fans in my heat sinks to fail. 8 clockwise turns on my headlight adjustment so I don’t light up the interior of cars coming the other way. Original light bulbs were so bad they were not safe at night. Especially if it was raining.
Did you miss a screw holding the panel on? I have only seen one video where a guy removed it. Similar to the bottom "hidden" screw but a nut on the back of the top. When you removed the panel it looks like there is a bolt there.
Before and after from dark road maybe? What about blinkers?
Include the helping hand (casey?) in more videos, he always does well as far as talking/demonstrating on camera!
The new Ford's allow the fog lights to be on with the brights?
After having these bulbs for a while, are you still happy or is there a better option
Thanks, Bob
It just seems that all car manufactures are making it difficult to do any simple maintenance on their vehicles such as replacing front light bulbs. It is the same process to replace the front light bulbs on my 4Runner and Tundra. It is so annoying... Solid work guys...
My 2019 has to be done the same way. Also camera in the front grille has to be recalibrated.
I bought new lights for my 2017 dodge ram. The factory ones weren't very bright at all
For the guys doubting how well these lights hold up:
I run headlights like these in all three of my rigs here in Alaska, experiencing down to -40° and on dirt, gravel, and muddy roads more often than paved. In my experience I get about a year before the fans start sounding awful and the bearings start going out. At around $90 a set it's a steep price, but for how bright they are in winter with only a couple hours of sun each day they're well worth it and cheaper than hitting a moose. My only time I've actually killed one of the lights was going through water just shy of the hood, and it killed one light altogether (Cougar Motor on amazon). I have had the best luck with the JDM Astar T2 on amazon. Which are very bright, and have held up the longest compared to others on amazon. If you have a pavement princess in Texas, these will probably last the life of the vehicle. Just be sure to adjust them so you're not blinding everyone.
This is the most Alaskan comment I've ever read
hmm. that doesn't seem like the best design with a fan, in a few years when there is dirt packed in there your lights will fail and leave you in the dark.
I think it depends. For quite a few of these designs, the fan is designed to fit behind the OEM dust cap. It was that way for my old Acadia.
Here, dust might be an issue, for sure.
I've had similar style bulbs (different manufacturer) that I've had on my truck for about 2 years. I don't take it mudding, but it goes hunting and deals with sleet and snow. No failures yet.
5 bucks says the engineers of the lights thought of dirt and those fans are probably set to pull air out and not blow into the light bulb 🤷🏻♂️
I've had a set of LED tiger lights in my 04 superduty for six years now. They have an external fan and are still going strong. They see alot of logging roads here in the Northwest.
it looks good but three hundred bucks seems a bit steep. i just put auxbeam leds in my trailblazer and it only cost thirty bucks and they are awesome. i haven’t done the high beams yet.
I hope you guys checked the beam pattern with those new led. Those type can blind oncoming traffic. Also the thing your calling a ballast is called a driver.
Can't you take the front wheels off and pull the wheel well liner back and change the bulbs from there?
the new f150s are the same .xlt headlights are pitiful , wanted to change the whole headlight but wasn't up to tearing the front end off. its just too easy to break a pin or clip. ended up just changing out the bulbs to led. the 2019 f150 lets you pull the fender well forward and sneak then in. still a pain to line them up and turn them .
Great mod Andre.
The 02-14 Volvo XC90 has quick release headlight housings. You just pull up two rods and that frees the whole housing.
note to self. order super tremor in a package with factory led lights
Times like this I rather keep my 04 Tahoe with two pins that’s on the top of the headlight assembly and change the bulbs within ten minutes tops. I swear that manufacturers make this on purpose for vehicle ownership not to change your own simple maintenance, so mechanics and dealership can charge you $200 dollars and up for something that’s easy to do. Just watch next item will be your wiper blades making one whole piece from the rubber to the connecting spline. And will charge you $300 per blade🤯🤬🤬
Yep... my '08 Burb requires pulling the headlights to change the bulbs... which means the grill has to come loose & inner fender well needs to be undone to reach that third bolt on the side.
*I miss the pins too!!
To save bulb life I changed the DRL to just the parking lights using forscan.
I was told with the 7.3 you don’t have to take off the grill for this install.
I use LEDS and I'll never go back to HID or halogens only one down side high beams generally suck.
My question is why though? I don't get why highbeams suck with LEDs. I have them myself and they're not good...
@@johnliu6855 well hid high beams are worse then led high beams but to answer who knows.
My new Tundra the High beams are real good but my wifes RAV 4 the LED conversion kit makes Hi beam not the best.
Depending on the bulb and the headlight housing, there may be a need to "clock" the LED's so that the bulb elements are horizontal. And many high/low bulbs NEED this to work right.
Beyond that, many cheaper LED sets have a wider shaft that the LED's mount on, altering the geometry for the reflectors. The best results are the ones where the LED elements are closest back-to-back.
@@JDCheng yeah that's a given but that doesnt explain why generally led high beams aren't that bright
You guys should replace the halogen housings with the new Morimoto XBs that are coming out in January.
Watching a commercial before a commercial.
White light is not a Fog Light. Try Amber or Yellow, as a extruck driver and Exfirefighter/Engineer trust me Yellow headlights or fog lights makes a massive difference in your eye strain and the actual penetration of light through the fog.
Exactly!
Good luck In a snow storm. Snow and ice will form on the headlights.
That should be a new thing you guys test when you review cars... how easy is it to replace bulb
should reach out to headlight revolution and get GTR lighting. get both so we can see which ones are better F150headlights or HR lighting... and here we go
@HalfShell as long as they are not pointed at oncoming traffic it should be fine
No adjustment of the bulbs?
Wait, headlights that require fans??
I'm sorry but no, just another point of possible failure. I'm sure you could get LED headlights that are less bright, but brighter then stock, and not require fans!
HID
Those fans are not going to die that easily.
I had a set of cheap China LEDs that had fans. They were like $60. Used them for 2 years and the LED chips in the light itself failed before the fan did.
The LEDs with aluminum cooling strips are more reliable. Can never fail...a fan can.
You can absolutely get LEDs every bit as bright without fans. They just chose to use the fan models.
I did the same thing with my F150. Ford headlights seem to be so dull
good luck if you drive in snow. lenses will pack with snow and ice over freezing rain. but it looks really cool i guess
I thought it was bad to swap a halogen bulb for an led bulb as the reflectors and lens are not correctly tuned. I thought the only proper way was to use a complete light kit with lens reflectors etc.
Correct. Leds and hids need to be in projectors to focus the light. Otherwise you're just blinding everyone else on the road.
Jason Kahn You can do just bulbs and get a decent light pattern. It just requires some research and looking at the bulb design. That fog light bulb they installed looked like it would be a really diffuse light pattern and not very useful.
Except on the 2nd and 3rd gen vw beetles. In order to change the lights on the front and back of the car you have to remove the bumpers. Fyi
No you dont, there's a little release screw. Its an 8mm with a philips head on it and has a lock tab on the side. You turn it one quarter turn and it releases the entire headlight and it just slides out. Literally one of the easiest headlights to change.
It's crazy that you need extra modules for the headlights and fog lights is ridiculous. I can't believe there isn't a company out there that would fix that with such a popular truck. Certainly no issue for other vehicles.
I’m gonna go check this out right now, my yellow headlights have become useless
Recommend you use amazon instead.
Adrian Gomez Ortega Amazon isnt always the best.
Look up a klein 20” backpack toolbag, $100.
But they are 89.99 at home depot
Would have been good to do a before/after lumen test to gauge how much better these are...